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potf2x
04-07-2005, 08:59 PM
I found a Palpatine #35 Blue Lightsaber back on April 2nd @ WM. But ever since i heard about a Palpatine #35 Red Lightsaber variant being discovered i've been trying to hunt one down (w/o resorting to EBAY). Well i finally found one today. The strange thing is that both the blue and the red versions have the EXACT same Date-Stamp of 50171. So much for trying to figure out which came first!!! :mad:

Out of curiosity does anybody else have both variants that can post the Date-Stamps from each figure?

Here's a comparision photo i just took (DEATH TO DIAL-UP): http://home.hot.rr.com/playtoy97c5/SW35_ 002.jpg

Kidhuman
04-07-2005, 09:02 PM
So it has been confirmed.

megaprime33
04-07-2005, 09:32 PM
And here I was thinking it was the emperor who had the blue saber. I must keep my eye out for both of these.

Ji'dai
04-07-2005, 09:42 PM
I saw a Palpatine with blue saber Wednesday but since the figure comes with interchangeable heads (Palpatine & Sidious) I figured Hasbro might purposely be springing another red/blue Royal Guard variant on us. That is, one version comes with the Palpatine head on the figure with blue saber, then the variant has the Sidious head on the figure with red saber. But after seeing your pic of the red saber variant thankfully this is not the case.

potf2x
04-08-2005, 11:48 AM
UPDATE: I just found another Blue Saber Palpatine #35, the datestamp on back is: 50081 which would indicate that the blue saber version came before the red version, and the transistion date must have been 50171.

Anyone who has a blue-saber or red-saber version #35-Palpatine please post your datestamp so that we can try and determine definitly which came first.

Thanks!

betterthanfett
04-08-2005, 01:45 PM
I have 2 with a blue saber. Dates are 50171 and 50081. I think the blues are first, because I believe he uses a red saber in the movie. That makes sense too: first run packaged wrong; revised to a correct red lightsaber. That's my bet fellas.

potf2x
04-08-2005, 02:15 PM
There's 2 posts on POTF2.com forum that have blue lightsaber datestamps as: 50041 & 50081.

Now if only we can get some more red saber datestamps for comparison.

Hellboy
04-08-2005, 03:28 PM
I have 2 blue saber Palpatines and both #'s are 50081. I bought both during MM, one to keep MOC and the other as an opener but I haven't got around to opening it yet. I noticed the blue saber right away when I bought it and just figured that he had an extra red saber packed in with the interchangeable head and hands. So thats not the case? If so I might wait to open him until I can get one with the correct red saber included.

potf2x
04-08-2005, 10:03 PM
I just found another Red Saber version and it's datestamp is: 50241

So i would say with certainty that the blue saber version is indeed the 1st release and the red is the corrected release. So there you have it! :)

Kidhuman
04-09-2005, 09:02 AM
So in essences the blue one will end upbeing rare, the red one should be more abundant, and the blue is the variant, correct?

potf2x
04-09-2005, 09:33 AM
Correct!....but that is just my $.02

Here's a Datestamp recap from this thread:

- 50041 Blue Saber (1 reported)
- 50081 Blue Saber (5 reported)
- 50171 Blue/Red Saber (2 blue & 1 red reported)...obvious transition point
- 50241 Red Saber (1 reported)

hestep99
04-09-2005, 10:00 AM
So in essences the blue one will end upbeing rare, the red one should be more abundant, and the blue is the variant, correct?

I would guess that, but who knows. Anything can happen.

betterthanfett
04-09-2005, 11:02 AM
So in essences the blue one will end upbeing rare, the red one should be more abundant, and the blue is the variant, correct?

very likely

Kidhuman
04-09-2005, 11:09 AM
Thanks fellas for the input. Makes me happeir knowing i found the blue.,but now need to find the red, but no rush since it is in the latter releases.

Hellboy
04-09-2005, 02:30 PM
Went to TRU today hoping to snag a Holo Yoda and I found another blue saber Palpatine. Same # on this one as my other two 50081.

hestep99
04-09-2005, 02:49 PM
Thanks fellas for the input. Makes me happeir knowing i found the blue.,but now need to find the red, but no rush since it is in the latter releases.

I hear that KH, having the blue version, I'm not as anxious to have red yet. He "should" be fairly easy to snag in the next couple of weeks. If only I could get that #37 vader's medic droid I'd be happy. Well not counting holo yoda, but hopefully I'll take care of that tomorrow.

potf2x
04-09-2005, 03:02 PM
I haven't posted where i've been finding most of my new SW stuff in hopes of trying to prevent any forum TROLLS from scooping them all up and posting them on EBAY. But since so many forum regulars seems to be having problems locating them i guess i should spill the beans.

The i have found the following items:
- #33 Clone Commander
- #34 Clone Pilot
- #35 Palpatine (both Blue Saber and Red Saber versions)
- #36 General Grievous
- #37 Vader's Med Droid
- #38 AT-RT Gunner
- #39 Polis Massan
- #40 Mas Amedda

All at KOHLS Department Stores. So RUN don't walk to your nearest Kohl's before the local scalpers find this thread.

MTFBWY

Kidhuman
04-09-2005, 04:35 PM
DOnt have Kohls here Damn it

moulman
04-09-2005, 08:03 PM
I do! Another reason why I love the boards lol


o, and just incase ya wanted to know, found a blue palpy saber fig today with date stamp of 50171

BanthaPoodoo
04-09-2005, 08:08 PM
Went to my local WM tonight & picked up a blue saber Palpatine. #50171 on card. I couldn't believe they actually had something above #32!!!

Also got the only 2 Clone Commander's & Clone Pilot in the entire store... lucky find!!! Just need 7 more for the current set!! Woot!

moulman
04-09-2005, 08:14 PM
I was thinking the same thing when i picked up my Palp from WM 2day

Jayspawn
04-09-2005, 09:47 PM
I found a blue Lightsaber Palpatine figure at Target the other day. I almost bought it but since I'm going to open it, I left it and am holding out for the red saber version.

WesleySr
04-09-2005, 11:07 PM
Well, I went to Kohl''s today after reading in another thread that they had newer figures. I found figures 33-40 except for #38 AT-TE Tank Gunner. All of which I already have, but I did pick up 2 more Clone Pilots (so that I could have 3 in my ARC) and a 2nd Clone Commander. I noticed that they had the red saber Palpatine and I decided to check the date stamp after reading this thread earlier today. The date stamp was 50311 which is consistent with the theory of the red ones being the later of the two. Hope this helps.

darthzirock
04-10-2005, 12:19 AM
I'm kinda surprised no one else has pointed this out yet, but if you look at the cardback for this figure, the image shows Palpatine (with the Sidious head) holding the same lightsaber as the Emperor Palpatine (III #12) figure. So, why does the released figure have a blue-bladed Anakin Skywalker lightsaber or a red-bladed Anakin Skywalker lightsaber? Wouldn't either of these be considered an "error" figure?

sith_killer_99
04-10-2005, 10:30 AM
Hasbro messed up and they can't change the saber hilt because it is molded to Palpatine's hand. :crazed:

WesleySr
04-10-2005, 10:34 AM
Hasbro messed up and they can't change the saber hilt because it is molded to Palpatine's hand. :crazed:

You wanna bet? The hand is removable, so it wouldn't be that hard to correct the problem. And HASBRO would love to make another variation so that people who collect them will end up with 3 of the same figure. Heck, they would probably mess up again and make the right saber hilt but the wrong color so that some people would buy 4 of the same figure.

hango fett
04-11-2005, 01:17 PM
i have a blue version. saw 2 of them like that with the date stamp 50171.
HF

ronhudy
04-11-2005, 02:57 PM
Correct!....but that is just my $.02

Here's a Datestamp recap from this thread:

- 50041 Blue Saber (1 reported)
- 50081 Blue Saber (5 reported)
- 50171 Blue/Red Saber (2 blue & 1 red reported)...obvious transition point
- 50241 Red Saber (1 reported)

My son has both the blue and red saber versions, both with the 50171 stamp. :)

gorkoracing
04-12-2005, 09:04 AM
I have both the red and the blue. My blue has 50171 and I have 2 reds (50171 and 50241)

megaprime33
04-13-2005, 11:59 AM
Here's a dumb question, where does one find the date stamp on it?? :confused:

BanthaPoodoo
04-13-2005, 12:02 PM
Here's a dumb question, where does one find the date stamp on it?? :confused:

Pressed into the card, usually towards the bottom of the ROTS card backs.

WesleySr
04-13-2005, 12:10 PM
Here's a dumb question, where does one find the date stamp on it?? :confused:

It is stamped on the back of the card in the black section below the figures. It is kinda hard to see.

WesleySr
04-13-2005, 12:12 PM
Sorry, didn't realize there was another page and that BanthaPoodoo had already answered the question.

BanthaPoodoo
04-13-2005, 12:17 PM
No probs!! I like your description better anyway! LOL!

megaprime33
04-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Ahhh gotcha! Mine is dated 50081. Thanks for the help!

WesleySr
04-13-2005, 12:38 PM
Ahhh gotcha! Mine is dated 50081. Thanks for the help!

No problem.

xwing_5
04-15-2005, 09:10 AM
I have been to a number of WM, Target, Meijer's i the area and am not able to find a single Palp with Red/blue sabre. However at one TRU, I am finding a Sith load of Blue Sabre Palpatine #35's. Is my TRU the luck store? Is the Blue saber indeed the HTF one? Could it be that the Red Sabre is the HTF? What do you think?

BanthaPoodoo
04-15-2005, 09:36 AM
Right now the blue one may be easier to find, but I think in the long run, the blue will be harder... at least going by datestamps, because the blues were earlier in the run.

EDITED: Changed red to blue.... I had a moment there for a second...

WesleySr
04-15-2005, 11:19 AM
I have to agree with you BanthaPoodoo, according to the date stamps that I and everyone else has posted so far, it seems that the red lightsaber is what HASBRO has switched to and the blue will be the more rare version.

sith_killer_99
04-15-2005, 11:23 AM
Right now the blue one may be easier to find, but I think in the long run, the red will be harder

:confused:

megaprime33
04-15-2005, 12:41 PM
The way I see it, if you see a #35 blue or red saber figure, buy it! If one because more rare than the other, then you have option to get rid of the lesser, if for some reason you don't want both.

WesleySr
04-15-2005, 02:28 PM
The way I see it, if you see a #35 blue or red saber figure, buy it! If one because more rare than the other, then you have option to get rid of the lesser, if for some reason you don't want both.

Good idea. :) But I still think the blue version will be the rarer of the two.

TheDarthVader
04-15-2005, 03:14 PM
I have two Palpys with the blue lightsaber. My date stamps are:

50171
43661

WesleySr
04-15-2005, 03:21 PM
So here is a rundown of the current posted date stamps.

43661 - blue
50041 - blue
50081 - blue
50171 - blue
50171 - red
50241 - red
50311 - red

So the obvious transition point is 50171. If anyone else has any other stamps, post em. Also, does anyone have one that disproves the date stamp theory?

JediTricks
04-15-2005, 06:27 PM
I bought a blue saber version last night, would have preferred a red but it's the wrong hilt for that so I'm not too concerned. Unfortunately, I left it in a friend's car so I don't have it right now to check the datestamp.

megaprime33
04-15-2005, 08:42 PM
Yeah all i'm looking for now is a red one, then i'll be satisfied....if i can find one. Funny though that I found a blue one instead of the red. That almost never happens to me.

hestep99
04-15-2005, 08:44 PM
blue 50171

JediTricks
04-17-2005, 04:22 PM
Blue 50241 - I kid you not! Like an idiot, I opened it before reading that the datestamp puts it well into the red saber territory thus making it of interest to variation collectors - I seem to do this sort of thing a lot. :confused:

Hellboy
04-17-2005, 04:37 PM
Well I guess we can throw out the theory that Hasbro was trying to fix a mistake with the release of the red saber version. Based on your find JT I'd say they had intended to do 2 versions all along if they're still shipping both. If anybody still doubts whether or not Hasbro releases these variants intentionally this should settle that debate. :greedy:

Rebo's_Guitarist
04-17-2005, 05:26 PM
2 blues - 50081 and 43631

WesleySr
04-17-2005, 06:00 PM
But that is still around the time of the transition. There are no other date stamps in between the 2 where they overlap. Maybe his blue 50241 was one of the last ones of the blue sabers that they had left.

Jayspawn
04-17-2005, 11:05 PM
I'm still trying to find this figure again. I came REAL close this morning.

WesleySr
04-17-2005, 11:30 PM
I picked up a blue saber version last night @ WM. I am going to get a red version and hold on to both of them. Maybe use them for a trade later on.

Kidhuman
04-17-2005, 11:38 PM
I still havent seen anyhting past 32 since the day I got 33-39. Irking me, I want a Palpy with red saber. JF96 hooked me up with Mas, so I am all caught up minus the a few of the noticeable pegwarmers from 1-32.

darthzirock
04-18-2005, 12:11 AM
Well, I finally found a blue-bladed Palpatine (III #35). If I luck out and find a red-bladed version, I'll be happy. But, I really wish Hasbro would admit making an error by giving this figure Anakin's hilt to begin with! Maybe they could offer to mail out replacement hands/sabers, with the correct Sidious saber. Or, better yet, when they get around to making that Palpatine/Sidious figure in the burgendy robes from his duel with Yoda, pack in an extra saber/hand for everyone that bought the III #35 version.

darko666
04-18-2005, 12:16 AM
i have yet to find a blue bladed palpatine. i have the red version, but no luck on the blue version. i searched Targets, WM and Kohls, but nothing. i'm guessing that most of the early shipments had the blue, but now that the problem was fixed, the red will be the only ones shipping. but i will get a blue one eventually, probally at C III.

ronhudy
04-19-2005, 04:53 PM
My son has both the blue and red saber versions, both with the 50171 stamp. :)

Okay...I goofed. I could have sworn they were both 50171 - but out of curiosity, I checked them both again last night, only to discover that they were both 50241. So...where do we stand now? Is 50241 the transition? Or is there simply two colors going out at random?

BanthaPoodoo
04-21-2005, 11:03 AM
Here is where we're at now with date stamps:

43661 - blue
50041 - blue
50081 - blue
50171 - blue
50171 - red
50241 - red
50241 - blue
50311 - red

That is odd... maybe they had some laying around the factory & just sealed em up to ship em? LOL!! I really don't know where they changing point would be or if there was one.... I don't believe in the book that he ever had Anakins saber (IIRC)

potf2x
04-21-2005, 11:46 AM
I'm going to have to venture and say that the 50241 Blue Saber Palpatine is either a freak accident or the datestamp itself is unclear and is really 50041 and not 50241.

ronhudy
04-21-2005, 12:25 PM
I'm going to have to venture and say that the 50241 Blue Saber Palpatine is either a freak accident or the datestamp itself is unclear and is really 50041 and not 50241.

Nope...it's clearly a 50241. I'll scan them both and post them in the next day or so.

ace2005
04-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Here are the data stamps I have

Blue Red
50081 50661
50081 50661
50081 50241

Down here in Houston, Texas we found mostly the blue saber one at the local Wal-marts. We are also having trouble locating 33-40 at Target and TRU. The only places around here that I have seen that got 33-40 consistly is Wal-mart and KOHLS. A few Targets have gotten the newer case.

Anyhow all the above pieces came from Wal-mart or KOHLS.

Good Luck,

Zabbaca
04-21-2005, 05:58 PM
:classic: Well I picked up a Blue Saber Palpatine about two weeks ago at Target North Hollywood; I snatched him out from under the nose of an E-Bay Dealer who seems to take the entire figure assortments before I can get to them. He asked me if the figure was common I said ;) "him, oh yeah Iíve seen loads of him around all over the place, he's not rare", so the Dealer put him back on the rack. I snatched him up, and a couple of Clone Pilots and the variant exploding General Grevieous figure, and headed for the check-out counter.

:crazed: Today I saw more than ten Red saber Palpatines at the Target store in Burbank, seeing as I have only seen one Red sabered Palpatine, I have to say that he is the variant of the two.

Frizz_himself
04-21-2005, 07:26 PM
I was on a local Wal-mart today and pick up a Red and Blue Palpatine. But on the pegs were 6 total Red Saber palpatine and One Blue Saber. That came out of the box. I was there when he opened it. So there it is the Blue Saber is the Hard one to find. I have both yeah good luck to everybody else

Kidhuman
04-21-2005, 10:04 PM
Saw 2 red palps today. Got one and piut it on lay-a-way with a bunch of others, first time i have seen them.

Kidhuman
04-21-2005, 10:33 PM
Right now, it appears the blue is the error and will be rarer

bobafrett
04-21-2005, 10:36 PM
If that's true, I have a blue saber Palpy, still looking for the red one.

decadentdave
04-22-2005, 12:24 AM
I've found the blue saber Palps at Wal-Mart and TRU. The red saber (which has been harder to find in my area) has only been found at Kohls. It is still speculation at this point which will be the rarer of the two. Fact is, the BLUE saber is correct because it is attached to Anakin's saber hilt. The red version is incorrect because it is the correct blade color but attached to the WRONG hilt. It is not Sidious' lightsaber. If Hasbro intends to make a correction, at least give him the correct saber. Unless of course, Palps happens to be holding Anakin's lightsaber during his little "chat" with Anakin in his office...

mrpauldeeds
04-22-2005, 12:25 AM
I JUST found a Palpintine today. The first one ive ever seen around here. Hopefully more will be popping up soon with the # 35+ and on

This palpy has a red saber with date stamp 50521

since this is the only one ive found...i still have no clue which is the hard one to find. :ermm:

megaprime33
04-22-2005, 08:36 AM
I think it's pretty much been decided by most of us here that the blue saber is the rare one. I don't believe it's official yet but it sounds like it is based on other people's findings. But to be safe, I would get one of each.

decadentdave
04-22-2005, 12:15 PM
According to Hasbro at C3, it was a running change that was corrected (yeah, right) so the red version is the "correct" one. Okay, how about correcting the saber hilt as well. It is still Anakin's, not Sidious'. You can't tell me Hasbro didn't intentionally plan this variation. They've done this on both Episode I & II basic assortments. There is always a chase variant.

Kidhuman
04-22-2005, 12:22 PM
Where did you see that DecadentDave? Are you there?

Edit:Saw the q&a at YF that stated it.

Kidhuman
04-22-2005, 01:16 PM
According to Yakface in a Q&A from Hasbro, they state Blue is an error and red is corrected.

potf2x
04-22-2005, 01:53 PM
Yep. Just read that....so it's OFFICIAL, blue is the error and red is the corrected. :D

jedi67
04-22-2005, 02:36 PM
well i live in parkersburg west virginia and the most available one is the blue
saber i have only seen one red. but i will now keep a wider eye open just to have both.....Ok heres a question i hope someone can answer i recently bought two ........AT-TE tank gunner's one has a blue backround while the other has a purple backround does the color on these cards make a difference ?

megaprime33
04-22-2005, 03:19 PM
According to Yakface in a Q&A from Hasbro, they state Blue is an error and red is corrected.
Yep, you beat me too it, blue is the rare so keep tracking them down, Im sure there are still a few out there....somewhere :D

Kidhuman
04-22-2005, 03:27 PM
NOt really, they have been doing that since the lines birth. All it is for is variant hunters.

Zabbaca
04-22-2005, 04:04 PM
:classic: Sweet! :crazed: I got one!!!

Kidhuman
04-22-2005, 04:06 PM
I actually saw two more reds today. Only saw the one blue one that I got a few weeks back.

JediTricks
04-22-2005, 08:55 PM
I'm going to have to venture and say that the 50241 Blue Saber Palpatine is either a freak accident or the datestamp itself is unclear and is really 50041 and not 50241.
There's NO question, my blue saber fig is 50241.


BTW, picked up a red saber last night, 50661. Not that interesting, but still more info.

decadentdave
04-22-2005, 10:54 PM
After making the rounds today, I saw SEVERAL more Palps with the RED saber at Target. So as the retailers start getting wider distribution of newer case assortments, it looks like RED sabers are rapidly overtaking availability of the BLUE sabers so snag them up quick if you want them before they are phased out. No sign of the Anakin/Dooku saber variant in my area yet.

As for Purple and Blue cards, Hasbro "claims" it was a printing error but we all know that is complete BS. Yes, I have been collecting both variants. Still looking for Aayla and Luminara on purple cards. Anyone seen them?

Oh, and I also found Mustafar Playset at Walmart today... :)

Hellboy
04-24-2005, 06:51 PM
I saw my first red saber Palpatine the other day and picked it up, 50521.

Jayspawn
04-27-2005, 01:50 PM
Woohoo! I finally picked up a red saber Palpatine #35 and OPENED IT! Hes a cool toy too! For those who have not opened one, the extra head and hands are sweet! I keep swaping them around making different combinations.

sith_killer_99
04-27-2005, 10:16 PM
Yeah, Hasbro fixed the saber color, but it's still the wrong hilt. :rolleyes: So now it's techincally more incorrect than it was before. You gotta love Hasbro. :D

jbudich
04-29-2005, 07:53 AM
I've managed to only find the Red-variation of the Palp. figure...one at Walmart, and one at Kohl's...(Kohl's is the bomb-dizzle for finding figs. over #32 so far..my TRU sucks...anyway :) )

Would any of you lucky devils, who seem to have a "Sith-load" of the blue variation be willing to make a trade??? email me...I'm having a helluva time finding any of the blues...

thanks!

Darth Cruel
05-31-2005, 02:05 AM
I am also glad to hear that the blue sabers are numerous in some places. I have yet to see one and am hoping to get one without paying the scalpers. Anyone else who has one that they would trade...let me know!

megaprime33
05-31-2005, 09:58 AM
I say good luck finding a blue varient now. I think the only 2 places would be ebay and maybe local comic shops and both will charge high prices for them.

Kidhuman
05-31-2005, 10:53 AM
I only saw one of them and never again, glad I bought it then. Good luck finding one.

VaderhitsJarjar
06-03-2005, 11:42 PM
Yeah - I bought a blue back when they first showed up and passed on two others thinking the red was the tough one - havent seen a blue in about a month now

kicks shin three times

Lowly Bantha Cleaner
06-06-2005, 12:02 PM
I got mine in Indianapolis while shopping with a few forumites from SSG (dr evazan, dar argol). It was funny because Shawn (Dar) had a discussion on this figure just prior to arriving at that Wal-Mart and after combing through a few racks and racks of figures, I found him sorta half-buried under some figures. The only bad part was that I packed him tight into a suitcase (to get him on the plane) and he get bent at the peg. :(

Val Da Car
06-24-2005, 03:54 PM
DID PALPATINE THROW THE FIGHT?

The following is a sample entry of the new Set Diary series now
available for Hyperspace members. In the summer of 2003,
correspondent Pablo Hidalgo filed daily reports on the making of
Episode III, but by necessity most of the plot details were obscured
as to not spoil any secrets. Now that the movie is out, much of what
was too hot in 2003 can be discussed, with further insight into the
making of Revenge of the Sith.

It's one of the fieriest debates of online fan forums: when Palpatine
was cornered in his office's giant window-frame, was he really
overpowered by Mace? Or was he faking to lure Anakin? Could Mace
really have gotten the upper hand on the Sith Lord?

George Lucas is the ultimate keeper of the true answer, and he's not
telling... yet, anyway. If you had asked me in the Summer of '03,
when the sequence was first shot, I would have had a solid answer.
But, if you asked me in the Fall of '04, when the sequence was
re-shot, well... for those who want to debate, it's best to know more
of the story of how this scene came to be.

This entire sequence changed significantly during postproduction.
What we witnessed in Sydney told a different story. Anakin did not
earn Mace's trust by ratting out Sidious right away. He did not
agonize over his decisions while sitting alone in the Jedi Council
chamber. He did not rush in at the last minute to witness a
questionable balance of power. Instead, he stayed at Palpatine's
side, in the Chancellor's private office, as Mace and his posse of
Jedi barged in.

"Stand behind me," ordered Mace, in Sam Jackson's demanding tones.
But Anakin didn't budge. Instead, he watched passively as Palpatine
used the Force to snatch Anakin's lightsaber from his belt and
attacks Mace and the Jedi. There's ample evidence of this original
version for those with sharp eyes and behind-the-scenes photos. Heck,
even Hasbro action figures with Palpatine packaged with Anakin's
lightsaber got out there in the initial shipments.

So, if Sidious' entire duel played out before Anakin's stunned eyes,
I'd be inclined to think that his fall was just for show. This
changed after a screening George Lucas held for a few key colleagues.
Their reactions underscored the shortcomings of the way this duel was
constructed. Anakin's inaction was hard to justify cinematically.
"The story was there, but it wasn't clear," said Lucas at the time it
came to rebuild this scene. "It was too abstract. We opened up that
part and looked at what we could do."

When word of the change came down, the keepers of continuities
started carefully tracking the evolving consequences. Palpatine had
two lightsabers, then, since he loses this one in the duel with Mace.
I still have in my inbox a tentative email from one of the authors
asking, "um, have we figured out yet whose lightsaber Palpatine uses
in the fight with the Jedi?"

At first, it was feared it was impossible to CG the small
svelte-handled weapon over Anakin's relatively chunky handle, but
nonetheless, that was the lightsaber given to McDiarmid for the
pickup photography. The shots of Palpatine rising from his chair and
extending the weapon were reshot. The bulk of the duel between
Sidious and Mace stayed from principal photography, except for a new
touch -- a kick to Palpatine's face, done with stunt double Michael
Byrne. This was shot on a partial set of just a piece of window-frame
on Friday, August 27.

So... with this revised duel, if Sidious threw the fight, it places
an awful lot of faith on Anakin's timing ...and he suffered a
kicked-in face to boot. For what it's worth to those arguing, I doubt
there's anyone who thinks Palpatine's serious when he claims he's too
weak. That's obviously a lie. But was the fall into the corner that
preceded his pleas for help a lie as well?

What else changed in this scene? There are a few more interesting
details, particularly where it moved in the sequencing of the story.
But that will have to wait for another entry.

Darth Cruel
10-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Late september and I just found a blue saber Palpatine on the peg at Wal-Mart. My first one. And the last of the to-date released variations I needed to collect. I am caught up on them now.

I have always been an advocate of not buyng from scalpers. I always tell everyone I talk to that if they are patient and make enough of an effort...they will find most every figure they want on the peg. That is not to say that you will not have to trade or (shudder) buy from a scalper...but you should be able to minimize that if you are patient. I think this is a good example.

Luuuuuuke
10-24-2005, 01:09 AM
I think it depends how you define being patient. Sometimes you're just not going to find something. Sure, you can go to a store every single morning at opening or just before closing or whatever instead of going to a scalper right off the bat, but I wouldn't consider that being patient.

Of course you should be able to "minimize" having to buy from a scalper if you take other steps--but none of them have anything to do with really being patient. I haven't bought something from someone I would consider a scalper in years. But I think with some items true patience just isn't going to cut it. Either you have to go out of your way to find it at a store by being there at opening(which is definitely not being patient) or you accept that you might just have to go without that item.
There's been very few times when I just happened to find a hard to find item at a Target or Wal-Mart in the normal course of shopping. If I did, that would be a true example of patience paying off. Patience, unfortunately, doesn't pay. At least most of the time.

inkedforlife
10-28-2005, 07:46 AM
I hate to sound like I am OK with the concept of scalping but I just want to point out something. At what point do we draw the line between someone screwing over a fellow collector and someone simply trying to get products to people needing them while making a small profit?
Several cases come to mind here. First is the Starwars Shops Exclusive Covert-ops trooper. I ordered two of those back in August and was told they would not ship until Dec. 2nd. Problem is now I see online stores like Brian's Toys and Action Figure HQ among other selling them (INSTOCK) for $29.99 or more. How is fair that they have them instock and can sell them for a profit when Joe Schmo (Myself) can't even get ones I ordered months ago?
The same thing goes for the Plush Yoda from the Celebration 3. I spent seven hours in that Dang line only to be told they were sold out three people before I got to the front. Now every online store in town has them at twice the price. There are several maybe even hundreds more examples of this happening all over the internet. It all seems to stem from Hasbro allowing it to happen! They thrive (as seen by their profits this year) on suckers (myself include) who want to have a hard to find figure or exclusive.
Bottom line sometimes if someone on the internet is selling a figure for 14 that cost 12 in the store you gotta ask if that is past that line when compared to hasrbo handing hard to get stuff to online stores to double and triple the prices on???

Darth Cruel
10-29-2005, 01:55 PM
I think that where the line is drawn is clear. By the dictionary definition, if a person buys an item and sells it for an unreasonable profit, that person is a scalper. The line that has to be drawn is where each individual finds it to be OK to deal with them. And each individual has to do that for themselves.