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El Chuxter
05-31-2005, 03:27 PM
Okay, there's the obvious gyst of Order 66: kill the Jedi before they see what's coming.

But that's not the end of it. "Execute any witnesses" seems to be in there as well. Clonetroopers are willing to open fire on a Senator on Coruscant itself. Across the galaxy, we see Clonetroopers verifying that the Wookiees in the general area of the Jedi command center are dead, and leading the Pau'ans into custody, presumably to be executed.

I think we can assume "dispose of the bodies, lightsabers, and any other evidence" is worked in there as well. I mean, why kill the Jedi and the witnesses and leave all the evidence laying there?

Is there more to Order 66 than these three main points? Thoughts?

JimJamBonds
05-31-2005, 03:33 PM
Ummm I'm sorry but I missed the "Clonetroopers are willing to open fire on a Senator on Coruscant itself" part when did that happen? :confused: I took those dead Wookies to be from the battle against the Droid Army and not from the Clones trying to take out the Jedi.

Jim Jam

BanthaPoodoo
05-31-2005, 05:01 PM
When Bail Organa is leaving the platform of the Jedi Temple after Zett Jukassa comes along & knocks a few clone troopers out. The troopers kill the Jedi, then they (it appears) fire at his ship, but then one of em says, let him go.

Slicker
05-31-2005, 05:19 PM
I was wonderin' the same thing about the Wookiees. The Clones were fighting alongside them at one moment then making sure they're dead even though they have no reason to hate them going by what the order said. I'm sure EU will explain it away some how.

JediTricks
05-31-2005, 08:44 PM
Chux, is that what the dead wookiees scene meant? I've seen it twice and that scene made no sense to me at all, your idea makes some sense in light of them hurrying Bail away from the Temple and then the commander telling his troops to let him go, but is it actually what the wookiee scene was intended to be about or are you guessing there? (I have no qualms with accepting either, I'd just like to know what context we're discussing it in.)

tagmac
05-31-2005, 10:47 PM
Had they included the scene where Chewie, Tarfful, and Yoda take out some clones, maybe that scene would have made a little more sense. Again, this is why the entire sequence on Kasyyk needs to be extended for the DVD.

As for Bail, they pointed the gun at him to get him to leave, but they didn't actually fire at him - that was actually one of the blasts being fired at Zett Jukassa.

JimJamBonds
05-31-2005, 11:50 PM
As for Bail, they pointed the gun at him to get him to leave, but they didn't actually fire at him - that was actually one of the blasts being fired at Zett Jukassa.

Thanks Tagmac, I didn't think they fired at Bail now had he tried to get into the Temple? Well that would likely be a different story then.

Jim Jam

kool-aid killer
06-01-2005, 12:56 AM
El Chuxter, personally i think Order 66 was to simply kill the Jedi, though your question is interesting. Im sure the clones did round up the wookies and hold them as POWs but i would imagine that those closest to the Jedi were murdered also, i doubt Tarrful and Chewie would have just stood around as if nothing had happened. I think the comment about the dead wookies was them hunting around trying to find Yodas corpse, not a sign of them actually battling the wookies themselves.

2-1B
06-01-2005, 02:38 AM
I agree with KAK, I took it to mean that they were looking for Yoda and whatever other Jedi may have been alive that we didn't see killed (Luminara ? any others that were there ? ). We see Tarfy and Chewie uncovering that poorly hid escape pod for Yoda so I think they were scouring for Palps' Little Green Friend and just observing that all those Wookiees were dead, meaning they couldn't be hiding Yoda.

I think Bail was fired upon because he screamed "No!" which was in favor of a Jedi so firing upon him was reactionary to that.

2-1B
06-01-2005, 02:48 AM
And considering that Yoda left two Headless Clonesmen on that platform, they couldn't assume that Yoda was taken by surprise ala Joe Pesci in Goodfellas. :)

Bossk77
06-01-2005, 02:51 AM
El Chuxter, personally i think Order 66 was to simply kill the Jedi, though your question is interesting. Im sure the clones did round up the wookies and hold them as POWs but i would imagine that those closest to the Jedi were murdered also, i doubt Tarrful and Chewie would have just stood around as if nothing had happened. I think the comment about the dead wookies was them hunting around trying to find Yodas corpse, not a sign of them actually battling the wookies themselves.

I agree with this. 66 was to kill The jedi only.. To kill the parties aiding the jedi would leave him fewer worlds to control. Jedi removed he would have no problem in that areana. The JEdi were the only ones who really knew who Sids was anyway. The troops left becuase, it wouldnt make sense to find a master hiding amongst the dead. Yoda would have hobbled off as only he can. Or the troops might have thought the dead wookies were a decoy to attract thier attention.

El Chuxter
06-01-2005, 01:10 PM
That doesn't change the fact that the Pau'ans are clearly being arrested for what seems to be no reason. They fought alongside the Clonetroopers, but the only possible thing they did "wrong" was see the Clones fire on Obi-Wan.

And having seen it twice, either one of those Clonetroopers on Coruscant is as bad a shot as a Stormtrooper, or he was firing on Bail.

2-1B
06-01-2005, 01:52 PM
So the Utapauns were being moved around, maybe even arrested but that doesn't mean they were going to be automatically killed.

JimJamBonds
06-01-2005, 02:09 PM
I don't know the logistics of it just don't seem to make sense to me. How many people would have to been killed for seeing the destruction of the Jedi temple? Maybe a couple billion???? I'll have to watch closer the next time with Bail at the temple and what happens if he's shot at or not. Reguardless a higher ranking clone says to let him go (although in the book he escapes death).

Jim Jam

sith_killer_99
06-01-2005, 09:51 PM
Well, personally I think the idea was kill all Jedi.

In the novel there is a greater exchange between Bail and the Clonetrooper. In the novel Bail clearly states "I am a Senator". To which the Clonetrooper says "Yes, sir. Now move along." Or something along those lines, they also say "No witnesses". The Clones also make a greater attempt to kill Bail.

With that said, I think the entire thing is a bit misleading. After all later in the film Palpatine announces that the Jedi have betrayed him and attempted to kill him, thus leaving him hidiously disfigured. So it's not like they want to keep anyone from ever finding out. From a military perspective I would say it all comes down to maintaining order...crowd control so to speak. This would explain what happens with the Wookies and the Utapauns. The Clones know that there are those who are faithful to the Jedi and they would need to be controlled/subdued until the initial confusion was over.

However, the case with Bail is totally different. You have to remember that the Clones are killing little kids at the Jedi Temple. Hence there would be a great need to keep that quiet! No witnesses!

Jayspawn
06-02-2005, 10:07 AM
I think the Clones might have taken out Bail if he made any attempt to blow them off, or enter the Temple anyway. But then we get that great line "And so it is."

-Love that line!

2-1B
06-03-2005, 02:44 AM
Me too Jayspawn, that bit is awesome ! ! ! :D

Jek Porky 2002
06-03-2005, 06:39 AM
But then we get that great line "And so it is."

-Love that line!


Me too, great line!

Come to think of it, that whole scene is pretty good. Very dark, slightly eerie!

jedibear
06-03-2005, 09:42 AM
I agree that the primary function of Order 66 was to kill the jedi, but it is pretty strongly inferred visually (by the Pauns being "escorted" by the CloneTroopers) that any collaborators would be "dealt with" too. That is actually mentioned by Anakin in the novel during his scene with Padme on the veranda. He warns her against "inappropraite" associations with certain senators and the like.

Actually, this is fertile ground for exploration in the TV series (and comics & books). We'll see....

JimJamBonds
06-03-2005, 10:38 AM
I agree that the primary function of Order 66 was to kill the jedi, but it is pretty strongly inferred visually (by the Pauns being "escorted" by the CloneTroopers) that any collaborators would be "dealt with" too. That is actually mentioned by Anakin in the novel during his scene with Padme on the veranda. He warns her against "inappropraite" associations with certain senators and the like.

Actually, this is fertile ground for exploration in the TV series (and comics & books). We'll see....

I took the "inappropraite associations" was based more on the "petition of 2000" then hanging out with the Jedi. Two seperate things although they both revolve around getting Palps more power.

Jim Jam

sith_killer_99
06-03-2005, 01:16 PM
He warns her against "inappropraite" associations with certain senators and the like.

Well, I hate to beat a dead horse, but JimJamBonds is right. That comment is all about the Petition of the 2,000, this is straight from the novel. Yet another reason I wish GL hadn't cut that sub-plot from the film. It just hangs there like a loose end IMO or it becomes misinterpreted. :(

JimJamBonds
06-07-2005, 01:37 PM
I agree that the primary function of Order 66 was to kill the jedi, but it is pretty strongly inferred visually (by the Pauns being "escorted" by the CloneTroopers) that any collaborators would be "dealt with" too. That is actually mentioned by Anakin in the novel during his scene with Padme on the veranda. He warns her against "inappropraite" associations with certain senators and the like.

Actually, this is fertile ground for exploration in the TV series (and comics & books). We'll see....

I paid extra attention during the Order 66 sequence, I have to say that Bail was not being shot at. The clones were popping away at Zett Jukassa and a few shots went wide, this happened while we were shown Bail. The troppers after taking care of Zett assumed a position to fire on Bail but were told to 'let him go.'

I wasn't sure about the Pauns, I had noticed in previous viewings the Pauns and troopers walking together but didn't think much about it. But after this weekend I 100% agree with Jedibear that the Pauns ARE being 'escorted' by the troopers. There wasn't anything about this in the novel does anybody have an idea about this?

JediTricks
06-08-2005, 08:13 PM
The screenplay has it this way:

The CLONES bar the Senator from entering the Temple.

CLONE SERGEANT: (continuing) I'm sorry, sir. No one is allowed entry.

The CLONES point their guns at BAIL and **** them.

CLONE SERGEANT: (continuing) It's time for you to leave, sir.

BAIL ORGANA: And so it is.

BAIL reluctantly heads hack toward his Speeder. Suddenly, several SHOTS RING OUT. BAIL turns and sees a ten-year-old Jedi, ZETT JUKASSA, fighting the CLONES. Several more CLONES join in the fight, followed by CLONE COMMANDER APPO (1119), who points at BAIL.

CLONE COMMANDER APPO: Get him! Shoot him!

SEVERAL CLONES start firing at BAIL. The Senator jumps for cover behind his Speeder, starting the engines and pulling out his laser
pistol.

The YOUNG JEDI cuts down several CLONES, including APPO, before he is overrun and shot.

The Speeder takes off with BAIL clinging to the side. The CLONES fire at it as it disappears into the cityscape.

The movie version of this scene starts the same, but the "Get him!" line seems to be about Zett as Bail turns around in response to that line, sees Zett get shot, yells "nooo!" as he's standing behind his speeder, you see the clones then taking aim at Bail and even hear a shot ring out (but you don't see it) as Bail hops into his speeder, with the clone commander saying "Don't worry about him, let him go."

2-1B
06-09-2005, 01:24 AM
The CLONES point their guns at BAIL and **** them.

crazy autocensor. lol

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Jim Jam is right, in the movie Bail is not shot at and if there is the sound of another shot, it's not at Bail but (I believe) one more plug going into Zett (ala Aayla Secura). :)

JediTricks
06-10-2005, 10:11 PM
Dang, I hadn't noticed the autocensor do that, the line reads:

The CLONES point their guns at BAIL and c-ock them.

There is definitely no blaster bolt going into Zett's body, the body is right there on screen and no blaster fire is seen anywhere. That doesn't change anything though, the clone troopers intend to shoot at Bail Organa and have to be told not to by their commander - whether they fire or not is immaterial to that point.