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Darth Cruel
06-23-2005, 11:14 AM
If I am interested in an item that is up for auction on any internet auction 'site I have a few ways to win the auction, and some of them are:

1) Shill bidding - I bid on my own item (or have a friend do it so that I remain anonymous) to make sure I don't give it away for an unreasonably low price. This is not necessary as the reserve prices or minimum bid take care of that and allowing shill bidding can lead to dishonesty in driving prices unreasonably high. Kind of a no-brainer.

2) Normal bidding - I place a bid, someone outbids me, I place another bid, someone else outbids me...yadda, yadda, yadda. I quit bidding when the cost of the item reaches its value to me...say 50.00 someone gets it for 50.25. I don't care, there will be more of them sooner or later no matter what the item is.

3) Maximum bid - I place a maximum bid (as is allowed on most auction 'sites) for 50.00 and the item ends up selling for 50.25. The only difference is that I don't have to continuosly watch the item. Once again, no big deal, there will be more sooner or later.

3) Sniping - I bookmark the auction and come back at the end of it. And, if the price has not reached the item's value to me, I place a bid for that maximum value...say 50.00...and I either get it for that 50.00, or someone with a higher, previously placed maximum bid or another sniper with a higher maximum bid gets it for 50.25. Once again...no big deal as there will be more eventually.

Now, in this thread, I would appreciate a friendly discussion of the pros and cons of sniping. I am the quintessential sniper and I simply feel that it is the most common sense way of bidding on an auction.

I'll start the discussion by saying that the only two complaints that I can think of against sniping are:

1) That the bidder gets their hopes up on the item only to be let down at the end of the auction. But this would be a completely unnecessary event as not only does the bidder have the ability to chose to not get their hopes up on the item, but even if they do and are disappointed at the end...there will be more of the item eventually so it shouldn't be too difficult to get over.

and

2) People are angry that it drives up their previously placed maximum bid. And to this I say if you don't want to pay the high maximum bid...make your maximum bid lower, and if a person bids against you during the course of the auction instead of in the last 30 seconds, it will drive the price up exactly the same. If an item is worth 50.00 to me...I will bid until the bidding exceeds 50.00.

Or maybe I just don't understand what sniping is.

I would appreciate it if someone would help me out with any other evils of sniping if they know any. I am looking forward to learning from them. Thanks!

Kidhuman
06-23-2005, 11:18 AM
The best thing to do is what you are doing. Wait until the last minute of an auction and place your max bid. If you get beat, you didnt want to pay that much for it anyway, so you cant be upset. It is frustrating yes. It took me a year plus to finally get an Ewok Village without being sniped and I got it for 20 bucks complete with four figures. Patience pays off young padawan...

Slicker
06-23-2005, 11:21 AM
This is not a personal attack on you or any other sniper but I can't stand them. For the most part they don't even bid on the item themselves. I've talked to MANY people that use this site (http://auctionsniper.com/) and that's just not right. I myself have never sniped just for the fact that I hate being sniped. I never get my hopes up on an auction until I see that I've won it in an email reply.

This is just my thought on the subject and I'm sure other people will have similar or differing opinions on the topic but as I stated I don't like sniping nor do I like snipers (unless they're played by Tom Berenger ;))

trandoshan666
06-23-2005, 12:26 PM
I don't personally do it, mainly because I don't have time to. As a bidder, it's frustrating to lose in the auction's final seconds, but philosophically speaking, I have no problem with sniping. I see it as you using your resources to win a competition of sorts. If I really want an item badly enough, I'm certainly not above doing the same.

mastermatt24
06-23-2005, 02:57 PM
I do what I gotta do to win the auction- ive learned after being sniped a few times myself. Honestly I think it is kinda fun- it keeps you on your heels. Ive been holding off on the SSG auctions because of the anti sniping thing. the auctions would last forever...

CaptainSolo1138
06-23-2005, 03:12 PM
nor do I like snipers (unless they're played by Tom Berenger ;))
Barry Pepper could take him out. ;)

megaprime33
06-23-2005, 03:17 PM
I have been sniping ever since ebay came out. It really is the best way to do it. I've threads on other boards who say that it's not fair for you to do it and yadda yadda yadda.....they're just ****ed because they have been sniped. Who's to say that I didn't see the auction with 30 seconds left and wanted it? There's nothing wrong with sniping, just be patient and you can find incredible deals on ebay.

mastermatt24
06-23-2005, 08:31 PM
Its fun to just search under "star wars" because there are a kazillon items and always a couple pages of items that are ending in a minute or so. :D

wedge1968
06-23-2005, 08:59 PM
I have no problem with sniping. Now, bidding on your own items to jack up the price may be another matter...

JediTricks
06-23-2005, 11:51 PM
Sniping is not how auctions are supposed work, if someone makes a bid at the last moment, the auction is extended to allow for further bids. This is better for the seller in that way, but it also gives the chance for the sniped-bidder to counter any cheapo snipes. Electronic auction systems shouldn't allow pointlessly small bidding increments either though, for example, once you get to $25 in a real auction, the next guy can't usually bid just $25.26, it should be a significantly-higher bid of like $55 or something, but ebay and the like keep the increments fairly low and the proxy system undermines it too in a way.

I only bid by putting my maximum interested amount for the proxy offer, I try not to get suckered into saying "well, I'll go $20" then when I get sniped say "ok, $22, now $24, maybe $30 but that's it!" because it's a waste of my time and my money if I was sure I couldn't go over $20.

VaderhitsJarjar
06-24-2005, 12:11 AM
Is there not a computer program called Sniper or something like that -

It automatically bids a max bid whenever someone else bids over your high bid.

Now I have a problem with that.

Kidhuman
06-24-2005, 12:45 AM
Yes VaderhitsJJ, Slicker posted a link to it in his post one page one.

That system is bogus. Why would I pay someone to snipe? I do it on my own. As much as I hate doing it, it is the only way to win sometimes.

Reefer Shark
06-24-2005, 01:35 AM
I snipe. It's proven to be the only way for me to win at the prices I want.

I make up my mind on my max bid as soon as I see the item, then wait until the last 20 - 30 seconds and bid. I've never won by bidding my amount in the begining of an auction. Besides, the more bids on an item, the more it's gonna be. Why would I want to pay more for an item? For me, sniping has become the logical choice.

Blue2th
06-24-2005, 08:17 AM
I snipe, 'cause if you can't beat em' join 'em. Tried to win an Enterprise B the other day by bidding what I thought was over the reasonable price in the morning because I had to go to work when the auction ended. I come home and I have lost the auction by one dollar because one bidder bid literally ten times in increments. Guess I'm gonna have to get a palm pilot or something to bid at work. :crazed:

Slicker
06-24-2005, 08:28 AM
I only bid by putting my maximum interested amount for the proxy offer, I try not to get suckered into saying "well, I'll go $20" then when I get sniped say "ok, $22, now $24, maybe $30 but that's it!" because it's a waste of my time and my money if I was sure I couldn't go over $20.I do pretty much the same thing JT. I'll find something that I like set a price in my head after reading the write up and checking the pictures then I'll place my bid depending on how I felt it looked and how much I thought it was worth. If I don't have the high bid then it's not a biggie but sometimes when I feel frisky I can kinda sense what someones high bid is so I bid until I get to that bid then stop so the person that wins it gets screwed into paying a higher price than he should have.

Fluke Skywalker
06-24-2005, 08:50 AM
Most of my best bargins came when bidding early, and many of my worst deals came when sniping.

And, like Slicker and JediTricks said, I also don't put in "feeler" bids. When I bid, I bid the true max and that's it. Eliminates a ton of frustration that's for sure.

sith_killer_99
06-24-2005, 04:07 PM
I have several techniques.

I snipe...sort of.

I do bid at the last minute or two. But, I only bid what I am willing to pay and I only bid once. No feeler bids and rarely do I bid a second time if I get out bid. Let's say I see something currently going for $2.50 and I am willing to pay $20.00 for it, I will wait for the last minute or two and bid $20.00. If I win...cool, if I get out bid, oh well. I didn't want to pay over $20.00 for it anyway.

The only exception might be multiple auction wins. If I wins 5 auctions from the same seller, and they all come in lower than what I was willing to pay, I will more for the last one or two items.

If it is something that I am just casually interested in I will put in a reasonable bid and see what happens. Usually, I get out bid in the last minute. However, I did will a full set (all 3 boxes) of Wal-Mart Trilogy box set figures for $10.00 simply because noone bid against me. :D

scruffziller
06-26-2005, 09:31 AM
I do what I gotta do to win the auction- ive learned after being sniped a few times myself. Honestly I think it is kinda fun- it keeps you on your heels. Ive been holding off on the SSG auctions because of the anti sniping thing. the auctions would last forever...

I think it is the nature of the beast. Internet auctioning. It is dog eat dog. That is why I am glad for the BUY IT NOW feature. It gives balance to the whole thing.

Kidhuman
06-26-2005, 12:00 PM
People tend to overcharge on the BIN, try to induce with free shipping, but they already include shipping in that price. It takes a while to find a good deal on Ebay no matter how you look at it.

LusiferSam
06-26-2005, 12:19 PM
On eBay sniping is the only way to win 90% of the time. If your going to play, play to win. And that sometimes means getting dirty and hurting other peoples feelings.

When I first joined eBay in the days before sniping, I'd bid about half of my true max. Then watch the auction for days. I'd rebid all the time and got into hugh biding wars. And we all know what the result of that is. Well I was a bit of a slow learner when it came to sniping. I'd get sniped and get really ticked off about it, but not change how I was biding.

When I finally started sniping, I started to actively winning again. Normally I wait until the last minute and half to make my move. I don't trust my connection so I give myself a little time. Anyone that using a sniping program will always slip in a bid after mine, I just need to hope they won't go higher than my bid. And I still get ticked off when these clowns out bid me like that.

Now I said sniping was how I won 90% of the time, what of the other 10%? Those are feeler bids. Like sith_killer_99 said if I see something I have a casually interested in I'll place low bid and see what happens. Or if there's an unreasonable Buy it Now price on an auction, I'll place the minimum bid to kill the Buy it Now so I can came back and snipe it if need be.

Slicker
06-27-2005, 11:30 AM
Geez, it happened again. I got outbid in the last couple of seconds. I didn't really expect to win it with the bid I put in but it's just the fact that TWO people bid in the final 10 seconds. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:

LINK (http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=5983001739)

JediTricks
06-27-2005, 11:43 PM
Were you willing to go higher than that?

Slicker
06-28-2005, 01:27 AM
I was willing to go around $100 for it which is still quite cheap, IMO. But as the auction ended at 5:20 something in the morning I was still at work so I had no chance in hell of even trying to out bid them.

JediTricks
06-28-2005, 01:46 AM
If you were willing to go $100, they were willing to go OVER $100 no matter when they bid, so how did sniping affect you really? It got your hopes up and then dashed them, I will certainly grant you that and have been there myself - even with a fellow long-term forumite here in fact - but ultimately the bottom line is they were willing to spend more than you to win this auction. In a small and certainly uncomforting way, they probably did you a favor because if you had gotten into a bidding war you likely would have spent well beyond what you were willing to pay.

Unfortunately, with the web being world-wide, there are a lot more bidders out there in competition with you and they have exactly the same tools you do, and usually they're willing to spend more than you are -- as Qui-Gon said, "there's always a bigger fish".

vulcantouch
06-30-2005, 11:08 PM
. . .having sed that, i approve of sniping for one simple reason: its aim is to keep someone from outbidding you, aka driving up the price. and at this, it frequently succeeds. so if it can help keep closing prices down, which is good for collectors & bad for scalpers, then as far as i'm concerned it's good period :)

slick: "MANY people that use this site and that's just not right"
-what's not right is, using that site robs sniping of its inherent dramatic skill (which is of course just icing on the gravy compared to prev-mentioned good effect). my personal best, and Without using such bloodless tools? winning with 1 second to go for $.01 over the next-highest bidder (axe me how) :)

mm24: "holding off on the SSG auctions because of the anti sniping thing"
-yeah, kinda takes the Sport out of it, don't it? :p

dc: "People are angry that it drives up their previously placed maximum bid"
-the only person responsible for the maximum a bidder's decided on is That Bidder, so he'd have no business resenting his fellow bidders for maxing His max out :p

fs: "Most of my best bargins came when bidding early, and many of my worst deals came when sniping"
-if so, i'd say that's due more to how You snipe than a weakness of sniping itself ;)

ls: "if there's an unreasonable Buy it Now price on an auction, I'll place the minimum bid to kill the Buy it Now"
-an admirable approach :evil:

rs: "the more bids on an item, the more it's gonna be"
kh: "Patience pays off"
-damn straight :cool:

jt: "been there myself - even with a fellow long-term forumite here"
-you wouldn't be tawkin bout lil ol Me wouldja? musta been a memorable defeat, do tell the tale :D
vt

mastermatt24
06-30-2005, 11:20 PM
mm24: "holding off on the SSG auctions because of the anti sniping thing"
-yeah, kinda takes the Sport out of it, don't it? :p

Exactly. You took the words right out of my head.
I didnt feel like telling steve that though when he asked for suggestions about the auctions.. :nerv: Honestly I think it is part of the fun/thrill of an auction.

plasticfetish
07-01-2005, 03:18 AM
Exactly. You took the words right out of my head.
I didn't feel like telling Steve that though when he asked for suggestions about the auctions.. :nerv: Honestly I think it is part of the fun/thrill of an auction.I've sniped (remember when I first got my broadband connection with 2 or 3 computers running all set with various bid amounts :evil: set to go) and I've been sniped many times. The fact is, if the rules allow it and you go into the auction understanding the rules, then there's nothing to debate.

With that said, I think that the rolling auction end time is the most appropriate option for this friendly environment. (We don't want to be p***ing each other off any more than we already do... do we? ;) )

mastermatt24
07-01-2005, 03:46 AM
(We don't want to be p***ing each other off any more than we already do... do we? ;) )
I dont know.. DO we?? :evil: the user ID could always be private.. :Pirate:

JediTricks
07-02-2005, 02:57 AM
jt: "been there myself - even with a fellow long-term forumite here"
-you wouldn't be tawkin bout lil ol Me wouldja? musta been a memorable defeat, do tell the tale :DOne of the first items I ever bid on, late '98 or early '99, it was the '97 Special Edition mini-Micro Machines set, I had been sitting over it for the last 5 minutes and late in that some jerk sniped my auction by what I believe was later found out to be a matter of a few cents, and the ebay server crashed while I was posting a counter-bid in the last seconds. Some time later - days, weeks, not totally sure - I bid on another one and won that auction, making it the first ebay I ever actually got, but I had already been sniped out of that first win previously, and 6 years later, I still haven't forgotten you, punk! I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!!!

Heh heh, yeah, that was you VT. :p

Kidhuman
07-02-2005, 09:54 AM
Awesome, there is nothing like sniping a friend. I did it to my friend on a setr of the McFarlane Yellow SUb figures. Sniped my friend Jim and beat him by 25 cents. Loved it.

JediTricks
07-03-2005, 11:12 PM
VT wasn't technically my friend at that time, he was "the troublemaker" over on the Galoob Buzz Board, and since I wasn't using the same username on ebay as I was there, he didn't even know it was me who he was bidding against. I knew he bought some leg magazines at auction though. ;)

mabudonicus
07-04-2005, 08:40 AM
I knew he bought some leg magazines at auction though
never heard of them,are they new????
:beard:

vulcantouch
09-07-2005, 11:31 PM
-indeed, as my profile indicates. but no mere gadfly was i there; if you recall, i was a world-class hired gun, a dazzling Messageboard Terrorist charged with a secret and worthy agenda (reviving trek mms!) by the Enabran Tain of galoob itself!!! :whip: :dev: :bandit: :Pirate: :rambo: :smoker: :thumbsup:
too bad my Results couldn't match my Style eh :p

"he didn't even know it was me"
-at this time i see no reason to cast doubt on what you think i did & didn't know back then :evil:

"wasn't technically my friend"
-oh, you sound like a mischief-caught middle-schooler trying to distance himself from the class's bad seed to save his own rep; come on admit it, you enjoyed Every Minnit of the Fine dustclouds you & me kicked up there :D

"server crashed while I was posting a counter-bid"
-just Happened to crash eh? "what did i tell you, an Unseen Power!" -cary grant gloating to his adversaries re a surprise tables-turning, His Girl Friday :D

"I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE"
-pfff, what you know is a mailing address; did i ever say that's where i Live? :p

"6 years later, I still haven't forgotten"
-well it wouldn'ta been very memorable if you had, now would it? ;)

"he bought some leg magazines"
-now that I'd forgotten :stupid: quite so: back then a pal who wasn't net-equipped axed me to bid on these [note: hyperlink originally placed here removed due to what turned out to be its porn nature :shocked: :lipsrseal an issue whose resolution is one reason this reply took so long] mag lots for him, and as i recall i bagged him a bargain or two :greedy: all well and good but i'm more of a face (http://selenium.nullium.net/cf/melaniesmith/inpurgatorysshadow/cf_007.jpg) man myself; after all lotsa chix got good-enuf bods, but a truly exceptional mug is woman's real light unto mankind, Can I Get Amen To That People :kiss:
but speaking of the, uh, Industry, you didn't bring it up in order to tempt me into revealing what i happen to know You've done for a living, now did you jt? :evil:

mab: "never heard of them,are they new????"
-above deleted link woulda answered your quextion; if still curious, email me & i'll send it to you :evil:
vt

SirSteve
09-08-2005, 06:11 PM
I didn't read this thread in its entirety but our auction system does not allow sniping. If a bid is placed at the last second, it gets extended - just like in real life.

darthvyn
09-08-2005, 07:12 PM
i am an eagle-eyed ebay marksman.

not to say that i believe it's "fair" but nowhere in the TOS of ebay do i read the word "fair" anyway... i feel if the system permits it, it's all good. it would be amazing to me to believe that anyone makes money selling stuff on ebay if i hadn't done it myself. you can find a great deal, and make a great amount of money.

2-1B
09-09-2005, 03:23 AM
a truly exceptional mug is woman's real light unto mankind, Can I Get Amen To That People :kiss:

Aaaaaaaaaamen ! :love: