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artdoesart
06-27-2005, 04:53 PM
Master Replicas sucks because:

I am so sick of companies whether they are small "knock-off" companies or large corporate giants like Hasbro or even Master Replicas producing items they claim to be exclusive or limited and then produce more of that very same item with slight changes or "signatures" as a way to create more revenue.

Case and point the "Hasbro Episode One Sneak Preview Figure" of Mace Windu, they claimed these were exclusive to those who followed there little game of buying 5 figures and sending their UPC codes in to get this figure. They ranted and ravved that **** figure would be exclusive to this offer. So everyone is out getting Mace, then like a year later you see the Star Wars Shop (formerly the Star Wars Insider) selling these figures or giving them away with purchases of $50 or more of something like that... So true collectors who bought additional figures for their damn UPCs got "screwed" thus the figure became "junk status" or that of the "peg warmer".

In Master Replicas case, I am really ****ed and will never buy another item from them again.I will tell everyone I meet not to buy their stuff and go for like Code Red or some other competitor who has better ethics and doesn't claim to be a true "Collector's Product" who's sole intention is profit. Case in point the recent release of Master Replicas prop replica the "At-At". They said this was limited to 1000 pieces, and why not the damn thing was $1200. I was an idiot and bought one. I figured this made a great item to my collection and it was limited to 1000 pieces, not only that they almost sold out in the first week! I was so excited for this thing, I felt like a kid again...

During this time I thought MR was a great company, a true collectors producer of great collectibles. They had never reproduced any of their items in the past even the popular ANH Han Solo Blaster which sells for nearly 500%+ on ebay (sold for like $300 when it came out my friend stupidly bought one for like $1600 on eBay). Then while I am waiting for delivery on the At-At I see MR producing the famed ROTJ Luke Saber (again!) which is one of their more popular items. Again this item came out for a few hundred but was selling on eBay for even like $2000 at times, again I know this out of experience. The reproduction of this saber was being re-released since they claimed it was some "special version" made with like Stainless Steel and better material. This re-release made the past ones pretty much junk, not only could you buy them for a lot less than the original but they were much nicer and thus drove the old one down in value.

After this I sort of got thinking about MR and was thinking all the money I have spent buying their stuff, or waiting for this or that or hunting for their past sabers like the Signature Series David Prowse ANH Saber was all a waste. What is to stop them from remaking and re-releasing all thes sabers agian with some "bs" reason and call it something else?

Then I get my At-At's and what do you know last week MR annouces they are coming out with a Signature Series At-At. This is funny though since they have made Singanture items in the past I bet they thought to themselves people won't care... especially those who already bought it. However if you look in the past MR has NEVER released an item that had a Signature Series that was not released at the same time as the non-Signature Series. Take for instance the Darth Maul Saber. When that came out you could buy one or the other. But with the At-At they represented it as some exclusive item limited to 1000 pcs and thats all... There were no indications of re-releases especially so quickly...

I don't mind so much the additional production, however if you are going to claim to sell only 1000 pcs don't produce 1000 more with some stupid little addition as an excuse to produce more. I would rather you say limited to 2000 pcs from the get go, but then I guarantee you then if there were 2000 made they would not have sold out so quickly and may have sold even less.

Now I am starting to feel like I have been hood-winked or tricked which really sucks. I was one of the 1000 who bought this damn thing the day it came out for sale, and then got this damn email about some signature series. I think this is a total slap in the face for everyone who bought the At-At. To be honest I want to sell my junk but people are already selling them on eBay for as low as $700 I have seen (not speaking of the prototype At-At that was defective from MR on eBay).

Now I am questioning the thousands I have spent on MR collectibles which I surely know now will be re-released one way or another. Its just a matter of time when MR needs some additional revenue. But I assure you they will come out with everything again, new color, new materials, sig series, new base, etc... who knows what they will dream up.

I URGE ALL OF YOU TO SPREAD THE WORD AND STOP BUYING MASTER REPLICA PRODUCTS.

To be honest I don't intend to sell any of the collectibles I collect, I have no intention of profiting from my collectibles. But as a collector exclusivity and production and value are key. It feels much better when you know the items you have, have gone up in value, for the geek you can compare it to buying stocks. I love this stuff, but if it was worth pennies, I don't think anyone woudl collect any of it, because then everyone could buy it, then that item would not be exclusive and would be junk. Having limited runs, limited production, higher prices, makes collectibles worth collecting and more fun... MR has just ruined that. If you don't see whats going on I feel for you.

I am just a disappointed collector who thought MR was a company made for collectors run by collectors when in fact they are merely a small Hasbro... For this same reason I stopped collecting 3 3/4" figures after EP1, you can ask SSG himself. I just got sick of the lies...

Art
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Stalecracker
06-27-2005, 05:48 PM
Yep. That truly sucks. I collect simply because I love the the designs and nostalgia... not for resale value. Plain and simple. I can see if you collect for values sake having a problem with what you mentioned. Sorry it tainted your views for the company.

artdoesart
06-27-2005, 06:08 PM
Yep. That truly sucks. I collect simply because I love the the designs and nostalgia... not for resale value. Plain and simple. I can see if you collect for values sake having a problem with what you mentioned. Sorry it tainted your views for the company.

As I said I don't collect for the money but regardless of collecting for monetary gains or not, value is always an important factor. Take for instance if you collected these figures... And everywhere you went they sold for a penny. How fun would it be to collect things that everyone has on your entire block because they are only a penny a figure... I bet it wouldn't be as cool to collect. For collectors of all types there has to be a dollar sign attached that is what makes collecting fun. Case and point, when Hasbro came out with the Dark Horse Expanded Universe figures and everyone wanted the "Super Trooper" they thing was going for like $50. Sure if you found it at Toys R Us you could get it for $4 but they were so rare. If the item is rare collectors like us want it... but rareity breeds value. If its rare it is more expensive... Therefore though I bought this figure to complete the set on eBay for $50 how would you like it if they re-released the figure and it became a peg-warmer? Though you had no intentions of reselling it sucks when you get burnt like that...

Like I said I don't buy things with the intent of selling but I find it absolutely pointless to collect things that have no monetary value, it woudl be like collecting dirt, how fun would that be.... Collectors collect for the sake of collecting but in collections of any sort there is always rareity which breeds the thirst of collecting... without exclusivity and rareity collecting is pointless.

Finally do you really think Lucas made EP 1 - 2 - 3 for the love of the movies and fans? Or do you find it more plausible he wanted more fame and money? I agree the 4- 5 -6 were created out of love, but look at what our world has become... Capitalism corrupts... like power, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, likewise capitalism corrupts as well...

DXiRoNMaN
06-27-2005, 07:19 PM
"I am just a disappointed collector who thought MR was a company made for collectors run by collectors "

so is it the fact they sell their products for alot of money or that they're limited runs? if MR wasn't getting something out of the deal why make the replicas at all? just to please you? they keep the runs limited so they can make a good profit, whos going to pay $350 for a lightsaber if they have a production run of 10,000 so dealers are overstocked and have to sell them for less than they paid? if that were the case, people would stop buying and MR would stop producing.

if you're going to come here and spread this anti-capitalist BS, i suggest you stop collecting and stop watching movies all together. if there was no money to be found in making movies we would never have Star Wars to begin with and especially no prop replicas. i do agree somewhat, however, about the different editions. it's bad like you say because its minor variations but its good because people like me who missed out on stuff the first time around can get a similar but different version.

"Finally do you really think Lucas made EP 1 - 2 - 3 for the love of the movies and fans? Or do you find it more plausible he wanted more fame and money?"

is it not possible he did it for BOTH? you think the guy is going to spend time and millions of dollars on a movie if he's not going to be properly compensated for the effort?

Stalecracker
06-27-2005, 07:23 PM
I hear ya. I simply could care less about the value of whatr I collect. I mean, hey, it'd be nice if it all appreciates over the years. More for my kids to sell'm for. Hopefully they'll hang on to them as well. As for Lucas- I could care less why he made the movies. Do you REALLY think Peter Jackson made the LOTR's simply because he loved the stories? I collect what I collect simply cause I like them. I used to collect for value and realized I had a load of crap on my hands. Now I have a nice collection that makes me smile and drives my wife nuts. :p GOOD times. I know it burns but thems the breaks. I wouldn't let it kill my love for the process... of collecting what makes me feel like a kid again.

artdoesart
06-27-2005, 08:13 PM
"I am just a disappointed collector who thought MR was a company made for collectors run by collectors "

so is it the fact they sell their products for alot of money or that they're limited runs? if MR wasn't getting something out of the deal why make the replicas at all? just to please you? they keep the runs limited so they can make a good profit, whos going to pay $350 for a lightsaber if they have a production run of 10,000 so dealers are overstocked and have to sell them for less than they paid? if that were the case, people would stop buying and MR would stop producing.

if you're going to come here and spread this anti-capitalist BS, i suggest you stop collecting and stop watching movies all together. if there was no money to be found in making movies we would never have Star Wars to begin with and especially no prop replicas. i do agree somewhat, however, about the different editions. it's bad like you say because its minor variations but its good because people like me who missed out on stuff the first time around can get a similar but different version.

"Finally do you really think Lucas made EP 1 - 2 - 3 for the love of the movies and fans? Or do you find it more plausible he wanted more fame and money?"

is it not possible he did it for BOTH? you think the guy is going to spend time and millions of dollars on a movie if he's not going to be properly compensated for the effort?

Anyhow interesting response...

I am not coming here to spread propaganda, again I love capitalism (though its not always fair) and I love the U.S. don't get me wrong. I am just saying it sucks when companies "*****" (excuse the french) their stuff out just to make more money...

I am sorry about "if you missed something" etc... thats life man look who is crying now? "Oh I wish they still sold the original Early Bird Certificate Star Wars figures..." The whole point of saying "limited to 1000" pieces is to tell people they are limited, meaning for most high end collectibles like Ferrari Enzo's (limited production) to Chuck Jones animation cells (limited production) they are LIMITED to that specific number... They will NEVER make more because they are a reputable company. Do you really think they Chuck Jones would come out with a new animation cell and just say its a different color frame now we can say limited to 1000 more pcs but we will call it black frame edition??? Or Ferrari, hey lets make ones with SAT Radio and said SAT Radio special edition.

Case and point the AT-AT Signature Series... who the hell is signing it anyhow, the driver? puhahaha... you probably don't understand what I am saying because you probably didn't spend the $1200 to buy one. If you did you would be sour too...

LASTLY I LOVE HOW YOU SAY I SHOULD DO THIS OR THAT "STOP WATCHING MOVIES STOP BUYING TOYS" DID I EVER SAY IN MY POST FOR YOU TO DO ANYTHING... I JUST SAID MR SUCKS... AND DON'T SIDE WITH MR ABOUT THEM HAVING TO MAKE MONEY... IF THEY CLAIM TO BE A HIGH-END COMPANY THAT CATERS TO VERY AUTHENTIC PROP REPLICAS THEY ARE IN IT FOR BOTH... YOU DON'T SEE FERRARI COMING OUT WITH AN ECONOMY EDITION DO YOU? BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT SOME COMPANIES ARE NOT IN BUISNESS TO 100% MAXIMIZE PROFIT. SOME ACTUALLY CATER TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AND YET TURN A GOOD PROFIT.

FOR ALL I CARE ***** OUT THE $300 SABERS BUT WHORING OUT YOUR HIGHEST DOLLAR ITEM??? I DON'T THIS WAS A GOOD CHOICE... NOW GO AWAY CHOIR BOY...

artdoesart
06-27-2005, 08:20 PM
I hear ya. I simply could care less about the value of whatr I collect. I mean, hey, it'd be nice if it all appreciates over the years. More for my kids to sell'm for. Hopefully they'll hang on to them as well. As for Lucas- I could care less why he made the movies. Do you REALLY think Peter Jackson made the LOTR's simply because he loved the stories? I collect what I collect simply cause I like them. I used to collect for value and realized I had a load of crap on my hands. Now I have a nice collection that makes me smile and drives my wife nuts. :p GOOD times. I know it burns but thems the breaks. I wouldn't let it kill my love for the process... of collecting what makes me feel like a kid again.

Of course Peter Jackson made LOTR for the money alone... I am not retarded but he is not going around parading that he loves LOTR... My point is simple, if you say its limited make it limited, no IFs BUTs or whatever... 1000 pcs is 1000 pcs not oh yeah and another 1000 pcs with a different color, or a Signature Series, or a different material...

I don't know why everyone is jumping on my back for this, 99% of you don't even own the AT-AT. I am not the one claiming to make only 1000 pieces then say "oh yeah I changed my mind"... I never said or told them to make 1000 pcs either.... So they said it, I am just upset that they went against their word thats all. A promise is a promise especially from B2C type situations. But its not suprising at all, Customer Service is the lost art in America, no one cares no more, and its all about profits sad but true...

If you want more anti-MR propaganda just ask... I had to reorder a cracked base from them for my AT-AT and I have 3 different emails stating it was mailed out. They just sheer lie at times and like I said I have the evidence and case #'s to prove it. Also the base finally came but it took 4 months...

DXiRoNMaN
06-27-2005, 08:41 PM
"But its not suprising at all, Customer Service is the lost art in America, no one cares no more, and its all about profits sad but true... "

hey thats a legitimate concern but whats the problem with having a LE and SE version of the ATAT, or any replica for that matter? does it make much difference that each are limited? the sabers for instance, allversions are limited, whats wrong with having a signature or elite edition to differentiate? its not really making the 3500 run sabers less valuable or less collectable.

i tell you what though, if you shelled out all that money for the ATAT you damn well better get your money worth. i havent bought DIRECT from MR but for the price of their products they need top notch customer service. maybe they'll see your thread here and comment.

yeek
06-28-2005, 02:08 AM
Yeah, I think they made another AT-AT too soon after the initial edition. They should have at least waited about 2-3 years to do another one. People who bought the first one spent a lot of money on something they thought was truly unique. I feel MR did this because it sold out quickly and they saw the demand there. What also hurts is the fact they improved on the first edition. I doubt that a second Snowspeeder will be available anytime soon. Well, I guess you never know. Maybe it will include a Luke figure and be signed by him and thus be a Signature edition. You never know anymore with the collectible market and companies being so volatile.

But yeah, AT-AT owners I feel for ya.

JediTricks
06-28-2005, 02:10 AM
But as a collector exclusivity and production and value are key. It feels much better when you know the items you have, have gone up in value, for the geek you can compare it to buying stocks. One buys stock to make money, to see it increase in value so they can either reap dividends or sell it for a higher price, the value of a collectible that isn't going to be sold is exactly zip.


I love this stuff, but if it was worth pennies, I don't think anyone woudl collect any of it, because then everyone could buy it, then that item would not be exclusive and would be junk. Having limited runs, limited production, higher prices, makes collectibles worth collecting and more fun... MR has just ruined that. If you don't see whats going on I feel for you.

...As I said I don't collect for the money but regardless of collecting for monetary gains or not, value is always an important factor. Take for instance if you collected these figures... And everywhere you went they sold for a penny. How fun would it be to collect things that everyone has on your entire block because they are only a penny a figure... I bet it wouldn't be as cool to collect. Actually, I buy things ONLY because I like them, I bought Toy Fair Vader not because he was rare but because he was cool, now if an earthquake knocks mine down and ruins it I have no reasonable way to replace it. When Hasbro did the big clearance thing a few years back, I picked up tons of stuff I liked, both 4" figures and Micro Machines, I bought what I liked and even bought stuff I only sorta liked.


For collectors of all types there has to be a dollar sign attached that is what makes collecting fun. Completely untrue. When the gold-plated Micro Machines special sets were $100, I didn't care, but when they were $15 I got 'em all. When I got the Riddell mini helmets, I got the first 2 at full price, and the last 3 on big clearance from KB's website, all 5 are precious to me no matter what they're "worth" on the aftermarket, and I hate hearing from collectors who missed out on these and can't enjoy them now because they're too expensive. Again, there's the last 3 Galoob Action Fleet - Jabba's Sail Barge, E-wing, and TIE Defender - where they were instantly super hard to find, I paid $20 each from Galoob direct and didn't even get boxes, but I was happy because I liked them, now that they're $500 a piece it only makes me sad for those who can't get 'em because they're so neat. For *you* the rarity is the good part, for me it'd be the AT-AT itself.

Master Replicas said that they did limited runs basically because it was the nature of the beast, the limitation drove up collector interest which ensured enough buyers to make it possible to sell these expensive items. I understand that, but I don't have to like it, and it means I'll never get my hands on that ANH Obi-Wan saber.


Case and point, when Hasbro came out with the Dark Horse Expanded Universe figures and everyone wanted the "Super Trooper" they thing was going for like $50. Sure if you found it at Toys R Us you could get it for $4 but they were so rare. If the item is rare collectors like us want it... but rareity breeds value. If its rare it is more expensive... Therefore though I bought this figure to complete the set on eBay for $50 how would you like it if they re-released the figure and it became a peg-warmer? Though you had no intentions of reselling it sucks when you get burnt like that... That's an unfair comparison, you aren't talking about paying 10 times the cost of the AT-AT to get it only to find out about a second run which wasted your money, the second AT-AT costs like $200 MORE than the first version, right? Even if it was the same price, you haven't lost a damn thing, you paid $1200 for a $1200 AT-AT, and since you're not going to sell it, the "value" cannot change for you because it's at its not going to see another monitary transaction again in your life. For me, I couldn't care d**k about the aftermarket value of a collectible, once I own the damn thing it's value is immeasurable no matter who else gets one - in fact, I come to this site to SHARE my love of collecting these trinkets, which I couldn't do if they were ultra-rare.

What kills me is that I do find it somewhat frustrating to see MR produce a limited edition replica and then later down the road release another version with a slight change because it does seem to be breaking an unspoken covenant with the customer, but truth be told your arguments ring totally false for me as I'd be much happier if they never bothered with that "limited edition" nonsense in the first place, just make enough to satisfy initial interest and when more interest arrives, make more product to satisfy those customers too. Ultimately, my opinion of Master Replicas is that they are a pretty good company who makes some mistakes but is a lot better than Icons, for example, and with the amazing Force FX line makes a satisfying series of collectibles which nobody before had attempted, and for that I am incredibly happy they exist.

I collect for me, not to compete with anybody else.

yeek
06-28-2005, 02:30 AM
Well said Jeditricks.

I feel the lightsabers are a different story. I know they will keep making them as long as people are still buying them. I mean, there are only a number of sabers throughout the films. When MR runs out, they will have to double up. I don't really have a problem with that. The slight modifiactions and improvements only help people who came to the game late get a crack at them and make them different from the early releases. I know the updated versions won't really affect me. The way I see it is that if I want a ANH Vader saber, I'll buy one. If they come out with another one (improved, enhanced, SE, EE, etc.) I don't feel obligated to buy it. As long as I own one version of it I'm happy. Of course, completists will want every single one from every single movie and more power to them. That being said, MR should never release something the exact same way it was released previously if it was a limited edition. In other words, don't release another LE, SE or EE and just slap on a different edition number. That would be unfair. I bought a stormtrooper ANH blaster but I knew they will eventually release every single movie version. Am I upset? Of course not, because they should come out with the different ones. If I had wanted a ROTJ one, I would have waited. Just don't make all three the same though.

Personally, I like the way the FX lightsabers are being handled. They come out, people buy one if they want one, they aren't limited (you get a chance to get one for a long while) and they will get released again if demand comes back (windu for instance). That's a pretty good way of doing it. Not putting a number on them lets MR release them whenever they want and allows people to buy one at a reasonable price if they missed out. In the case of the supposed re-release of the FX Luke ROTJ, that's great for those that missed out and it looks like it will be improved upon.

nash
06-28-2005, 02:45 AM
Jeditricks I share the same opinions on collecting as you do. I agree with everything you just said in that post. That is why i told Art he needs to chill out because he seems to have a jaded sense of collecting. Yes its true to each his own, but you should not come here and force your opinions on us then take offense when everyone else gives you back their own.

And FYI, i am E-D-U-C-A-T-E-D. BS Commercial Aviation ;) from UND Aerospace.

Jayspawn
06-28-2005, 10:38 AM
Right on nash.

artdoesart, I can understand you're frusteration. But you bought you're AT-AT because you wanted it right? Its a very impressive collectible, and you should be very happy (and excited) that you have one no matter which version it is. Not only that, buy YOU have the 1st Edition!

example: I purchased MR's Darth Vader lightsaber LE from ANH when it 1st came out some years ago. And I was happy. But then MR goes and makes a versio from ESB and then ROTS!! At first I was miffed, but then I realized "I have Darth Vader's lightsaber. Thats cool! It looks awesome and I'm glad I have one. I bought it for me -thats all that matters. Who cares if anybody else has different versions. If they do then great."

As far as Master Replicas goes: they're an awesome company! They are the best thing foing for Star Wars right now. They deliver an awesome, high-quality product that they stand by 100% and release their product on time! Yes they cater to Collectors as well they should.

vader68
06-28-2005, 11:10 AM
I was a Star Wars freak when I was kid, I still have all my figures, ships and playsets from the 70's and 80's. When hasbro started releasing the figures in '95, I started buying evryhting I could get my hands on. I bought for the reason of reselling later on at some point. Granted I did buy one set for myself because , I had to have them, I bought another to sell to make money. I bought everything up to and after the release of TPM. I started to look around and found the values were dropping on everything I had. Except for some of the variations. When AOTC came out I was still going strong, but started to realize how many different Darth Vaders do I need, how many Lukes do I need ,etc. It was getting to much with so many figures many just on different cards. Now with three kids, it started to effect my wallet tremendously. With the release of ROTS I just said to myself I am only going to buy what I like. So I have only bought about 15 figures. Keeping it simple like when I was a kid.


As far as MR is concerned, I have not bought anything from them because I can't afford it. I couldn't see spending $300 for a light saber. Granted they have some really cool stuff, and if I had the money I probably would buy a few items. A friend of mine has 4 differnt light sabers and they are really cool, but he has the money to spend. I have also seen in other threads, that there seems to be a problem with their customer service. So there must be a problem there. For the prices they charge, the customer should be the prioity. As far as limited additions go I agree that they should stop saying limited to 1000 or whatever they limit things to. Don't put a number, that way if they want to release more they can without P***ing people off.

megaprime33
06-28-2005, 02:38 PM
Like most of said, I too do not collect for the sake that it is or could be worth something. I collect because it is fun to me and it is something that I like. I recently went out and bought my first replica saber and I absolutely love it. I bought it because it's fun, because it's something I have wanted ever since the release of the SE in the theaters and Sharper Image was selling the Icons version of Vader's saber. I personally don't care that there are other versions of it. I have it cause I like it.

It is always cool to get a rare figure but in my case I do not go out of my way to buy a figure simply because it is rare. If I choose to go out and get a figure that is hard to find in stores then it's because it's really cool and I want it. There are a couple of SW and also Transformers that I used to collect, that were really rare but I didn't go out and hunt them down because I didn't really think they were all that special and didn't want them.

I collect for me and only me. MR is a great company. What makes it great? The products and the customer service and the obvious customer satisfaction. Everyone that I know and have talked to that has a MR product has loved it and has absolutely no complaints. To say that they suck because they're re-releasing a popular product that had a good initial run to make a profit is asinine.

pmrjulio
06-28-2005, 03:07 PM
I understand your frustration guys. If I may make you feel better I'll tell you:
1. Although the At-At is re-release, the base of yours is nicer than the new one.
2. They are only 1000 of the edition of your AT-AT. There may be more editions, but yours is closed.
3. At the end there will be only 2000 AT-ATs
4. Not everyone can afford a $1000+ prop, so is not like everyone will have one.

artdoesart
06-28-2005, 04:45 PM
One buys stock to make money, to see it increase in value so they can either reap dividends or sell it for a higher price, the value of a collectible that isn't going to be sold is exactly zip.

Actually, I buy things ONLY because I like them, I bought Toy Fair Vader not because he was rare but because he was cool, now if an earthquake knocks mine down and ruins it I have no reasonable way to replace it. When Hasbro did the big clearance thing a few years back, I picked up tons of stuff I liked, both 4" figures and Micro Machines, I bought what I liked and even bought stuff I only sorta liked.

Completely untrue. When the gold-plated Micro Machines special sets were $100, I didn't care, but when they were $15 I got 'em all. When I got the Riddell mini helmets, I got the first 2 at full price, and the last 3 on big clearance from KB's website, all 5 are precious to me no matter what they're "worth" on the aftermarket, and I hate hearing from collectors who missed out on these and can't enjoy them now because they're too expensive. Again, there's the last 3 Galoob Action Fleet - Jabba's Sail Barge, E-wing, and TIE Defender - where they were instantly super hard to find, I paid $20 each from Galoob direct and didn't even get boxes, but I was happy because I liked them, now that they're $500 a piece it only makes me sad for those who can't get 'em because they're so neat. For *you* the rarity is the good part, for me it'd be the AT-AT itself.

Master Replicas said that they did limited runs basically because it was the nature of the beast, the limitation drove up collector interest which ensured enough buyers to make it possible to sell these expensive items. I understand that, but I don't have to like it, and it means I'll never get my hands on that ANH Obi-Wan saber.

That's an unfair comparison, you aren't talking about paying 10 times the cost of the AT-AT to get it only to find out about a second run which wasted your money, the second AT-AT costs like $200 MORE than the first version, right? Even if it was the same price, you haven't lost a damn thing, you paid $1200 for a $1200 AT-AT, and since you're not going to sell it, the "value" cannot change for you because it's at its not going to see another monitary transaction again in your life. For me, I couldn't care d**k about the aftermarket value of a collectible, once I own the damn thing it's value is immeasurable no matter who else gets one - in fact, I come to this site to SHARE my love of collecting these trinkets, which I couldn't do if they were ultra-rare.

What kills me is that I do find it somewhat frustrating to see MR produce a limited edition replica and then later down the road release another version with a slight change because it does seem to be breaking an unspoken covenant with the customer, but truth be told your arguments ring totally false for me as I'd be much happier if they never bothered with that "limited edition" nonsense in the first place, just make enough to satisfy initial interest and when more interest arrives, make more product to satisfy those customers too. Ultimately, my opinion of Master Replicas is that they are a pretty good company who makes some mistakes but is a lot better than Icons, for example, and with the amazing Force FX line makes a satisfying series of collectibles which nobody before had attempted, and for that I am incredibly happy they exist.

I collect for me, not to compete with anybody else.


Ok yeah right, your opinion is GODs word... I am sorry...

Thanks for forcing your ideas on me I appreciate it... Anyhow the only good thing you said was about MR and how they make limited items them retool them and release them again... thats not cool... I don't care if I collect for this or that, screw it all... It boils down to principle if you say something to a man or to a friend or give your word you should keep it! No ifs buts or whatever, no fine print either... Retooling is BS...

artdoesart
06-28-2005, 04:54 PM
I understand your frustration guys. If I may make you feel better I'll tell you:
1. Although the At-At is re-release, the base of yours is nicer than the new one.
2. They are only 1000 of the edition of your AT-AT. There may be more editions, but yours is closed.
3. At the end there will be only 2000 AT-ATs
4. Not everyone can afford a $1000+ prop, so is not like everyone will have one.

Thanks for your understanding ... but like I said it doesn't matter if its still limited a "promise is a promise"... What next ELITE EDITION ATAT in gold? Why not?

Dont matter MR claims to be in reconstruction and new management but I highly doubt that. I am sure its under new ownership and thus changes have been made... No more 3 helmet for the prop helmets in production, only one now with a late release. Snow Speeders pushed back to late fall (probably didn't fill enough orders). MR I think is going down so there is not much for them to do but rehash old molds.

When MR first came out their first production item was the ROTJ Luke saber and they didn't touch it once it sold out for years. Then they come out with Elite Edition like 5 years later or more... The At-At got rehashed in like months! Why? Probably because the AT-AT was their best selling item in years, just look at how poorly their other items are doing, it took them over 1 year to sell out their Yoda Sabers and even had to send out a BLAST email to get rid of the rest to those associated with the society. The latest release the Snow Speeder? That thing didn't get nearly the same response at the AT-AT did and even 8 months later is still sitting there and the release date is pushed back... So why not come out with the AT-AT retooled the mold is done, the packaging done just another way of making another way of making a gross revenue of 1.4 million to last them another year or 6 months.

Also look at their other licenses the Shrek stuff has been sitting there for ages, the Disney stuff as well, the Alien Predator stuff. All of this came in the last 2 years or so, I think they got in way over their head and now are in a bit of a jam.

Anyhow my 2 cents...

pmrjulio
06-28-2005, 05:22 PM
The fact that not everyone ageees with you does not mean that one or the other are wrong.
That's the idea of this forum, create discussion.
Please, do not think anyone is "pushing" their ideas or imposing views. We are just discussing your views and our take on those.
I personally will continue with MR, as is the one that provides the products that I want to buy.
The only other options that I have are: other "saber" builders, as Parks, which do an excellent job, but take a loooong time to build the sabers and do not fulfill all my needs, stick with Hasbro and plastic props, which as you said are also "double-crossers" or whatever you want to call them, or go to Home Depot and build a hardware saber.

nash
06-28-2005, 06:03 PM
Artdoesart, you REALLY need to take a step back. You keep saying that people here are "forcing" their ideas on you. Who's the one who started this whole thing trying to get everyone here not to buy MR products? Give me a friggin break man, youve got to be kidding me.

artdoesart
06-28-2005, 06:31 PM
Artdoesart, you REALLY need to take a step back. You keep saying that people here are "forcing" their ideas on you. Who's the one who started this whole thing trying to get everyone here not to buy MR products? Give me a friggin break man, youve got to be kidding me.

The way i see it, if youre going to force that bullcrap on me, im going to force something better back at you. Youre pretty immature maybe you need counseling.


Where does it say that I am trying to get people not to buy MR? Show me one post where I said I am trying to get forum readers not to buy. I am merely stating my opinion and how I am upset. The only mention of me saying I will tell others is my friends not people "I meet or know online" nor my "pretend friends" so take it easy...

Again you say you are not imposing your thoughts on me "take a step back"
? Are you kidding me...

nash
06-28-2005, 06:42 PM
I URGE ALL OF YOU TO SPREAD THE WORD AND STOP BUYING MASTER REPLICA PRODUCTS.

Look at your first post in this thread. Clearly through all your whining and ranting and bulls**t you even lost track of your own point. GG you friggin loser.

NO, i said I AM IMPOSING MY THOUGHTS ON YOU, haha looks like you're the one who needs to learn to read. I aint wasting anymore time on you, have a good life and cheers to your remade AT-ATs!!! wooooo!

artdoesart
06-28-2005, 06:47 PM
Look at your first post in this thread. Clearly through all your whining and ranting and bulls**t you even lost track of your own point. GG you friggin loser.

NO, i said I AM IMPOSING MY THOUGHTS ON YOU, haha looks like you're the one who needs to learn to read. I aint wasting anymore time on you, have a good life and cheers to your remade AT-ATs!!! wooooo!

My bad... I was very upset then... anyhow good job your a great person... and a great defender of the corporate world.

DXiRoNMaN
06-28-2005, 06:50 PM
"and a great defender of the corporate world"

hahahha! you crack me up! ;)

artdoesart
06-29-2005, 06:24 PM
Artdoesart, you REALLY need to take a step back. You keep saying that people here are "forcing" their ideas on you. Who's the one who started this whole thing trying to get everyone here not to buy MR products? Give me a friggin break man, youve got to be kidding me.

Damn it nash I thought you said you were going to go away geesh... You keep saying the same thing. Read the title of the post? Why Master Replicas suck... Captain America don't worry MR can defend themselves... and they will do fine whether I bash them or not.

JediTricks
06-29-2005, 09:33 PM
Ok yeah right, your opinion is GODs word... I am sorry...
Thanks for forcing your ideas on me I appreciate it... Anyhow the only good thing you said was about MR and how they make limited items them retool them and release them again... thats not cool... I don't care if I collect for this or that, screw it all... It boils down to principle if you say something to a man or to a friend or give your word you should keep it! No ifs buts or whatever, no fine print either... Retooling is BS...So you state your opinion and we're supposed to accept it as pure gold, but if I express my opinion it's somehow me imposing my will??? That's a crock of ****, read my post again, I suggested a specific opinion of yours was not accurate in response to you claiming exactly how collecting is supposed to work for EVERYBODY - the gospel according to Art, everybody in the hobby is trying to be in competition with everybody else - and how do I counter it? By talking about my personal involvement and opinions, which you somehow take as me being a forums-fascist even though my response is clearly about how it applies to me.

Don't expect a lot of people to take your comments seriously when you come on here posting what looks like overreacting, frothed-up tantrums, I gave your comments the benefit of the doubt even though I didn't agree with them and I guess that was a waste of my time since you seem to be looking for something other than open discussion.

artdoesart
06-30-2005, 04:49 PM
So you state your opinion and we're supposed to accept it as pure gold, but if I express my opinion it's somehow me imposing my will??? That's a crock of ****, read my post again, I suggested a specific opinion of yours was not accurate in response to you claiming exactly how collecting is supposed to work for EVERYBODY - the gospel according to Art, everybody in the hobby is trying to be in competition with everybody else - and how do I counter it? By talking about my personal involvement and opinions, which you somehow take as me being a forums-fascist even though my response is clearly about how it applies to me.

Don't expect a lot of people to take your comments seriously when you come on here posting what looks like overreacting, frothed-up tantrums, I gave your comments the benefit of the doubt even though I didn't agree with them and I guess that was a waste of my time since you seem to be looking for something other than open discussion.

blah blah blah God you take this like religion. I bet you are really getting upset, anyhow as i said in my other post I am done with this thread as well, the pot has been stirred and though i meant every word i said i was laughing when responding to people saying this or that. i did intend to overreact as to better "stir the pot" but at least this will be in the minds of many MR collectors. whether you like it or not when you buy your next item or when you have the duckets for your At-At or whatever exclusive like the MF MR has planned you will second think. i rarely doubt that most will say i am just happy with what i have if they screw you too...

anyhow enjoy rambling about me amongst yourself, i will now disappear into seclusion... have fun jeditricks... and thanks for playing...

Jayspawn
07-01-2005, 12:39 AM
If he's gone, then good. On to people who love collecting and like what they collect!

JediTricks
07-02-2005, 05:52 AM
Overreacting to the issue has done something though, it galvanized me and apparently others here as well AWAY from his point of view... as Obi-Wan said to Anakin in Ep 2: "good job."

I may not liked what MR did with this AT-AT situation, but this thread brought out my appreciation for the other stuff they do quite a bit.

lukespop
07-05-2005, 02:11 AM
Hey artdoesart,
I have been dying to reply to all the things that you have mentioned in this post. I know it is a little old, but I totally feel you pain, not your $1200 pain, but some of that pain. I love collecting MR collectibles, they are like crack to me. It drives my wife nuts, not that you give a s**t about that. Any way, to the point. It drives me nuts when I think that a have something totally exclusive from MR and they "one up " me with some crazy Elite version or Sigy version. I think they should come out with the big fat version first and the LE versions later. They totally do it for profit and make the serious collector who spends their hard earned $ feel raped. I still collect but I know where you are coming from. When I spend $500 on a movie replica that is going to put me in the doghouse, I want it to be worth it. MR always seems to come out with the bigger version later that makes me question my purchase.

2-1B
07-05-2005, 02:16 AM
Overreacting to the issue has done something though, it galvanized me and apparently others here as well AWAY from his point of view... as Obi-Wan said to Anakin in Ep 2: "good job."

Awesome use of that quote, I love it ! lol

Or in other words . . . good job ! :)

Jayspawn
07-05-2005, 09:55 AM
Welcome to the boards lukespop!

artdoesart has left the boards (for now anyways). And its probably better that way. I'd rather people not rattle his cage.

I know what you mean about spending that and wanting it to be worth it if its gonna put you in the dog house. :)

dr_evazan22
07-05-2005, 09:50 PM
I hope you go back to whatever hole you crawled out of and stay there for another 4 years, whether you know "SSG" or not.

Mods - can the 2 threads where this guy B's and M's be merged, since they are the same topic?