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Jek Porky 2002
07-04-2005, 08:27 AM
I can't believe nobody has started a thread about the biggest global event ever!

What are people's thoughts on Live 8 then? Did it live up to expectation?

Was it even that big in the States?

JimJamBonds
07-04-2005, 02:32 PM
Live 8 was on a couple of different channels over here. It was showing coverage of the various shows. I think it is/was a good idea but I was hearing something along the line of "this is making a difference.... all these people showing up means that they care about this..." My comment would be: How many people are there because they think this is a worthy cause and how many people are there just because it would be a neat concert to be at and the message the promoters are trying to put out is lost on them?

I watched some and it looked alright, I saw some of the Pink Floyd stuff and that was neat (although Rodger Walters should not be allowed to sing). My 'issue' with Live 8 is are these people (the performers) really behind this or are they just doing it because its the trendy thing to do? Ie. Tibetian Freedom Concerts from a few years ago in the US.

2-1B
07-04-2005, 03:26 PM
I'd rather starve to death than watch Madonna lip synch.

Devo
07-04-2005, 05:40 PM
My comment would be: How many people are there because they think this is a worthy cause and how many people are there just because it would be a neat concert to be at and the message the promoters are trying to put out is lost on them?

I got deja vu when I read this sentence. I could swear I've seen these exact words written in an internet forum before - over at Spawn.com or something. Yet it couldn't have been about Live 8.

Anyway, I was working while the best of it was on. Then I was down the pub for my friends birthday so I didn't see much of it. It headlined every newspaper yesterday and today. Theres no getting away from Bono of late - first U2 were playing their Irish concerts; then they were in court against one of their stylists; then live 8.

I'm sure the performers were behind it inasmuch as it was not too great an inconvenience for them - all they had to do was show up and peform 2 or 3 songs for free - if we want to be cynical about it we could say that at least some of them were there to boost their PR and album sales. The impression I get is that Bob Geldof did all the work and those he contacted were hardly going to go 'nah couldn't be ar*ed' or 'actually we're busy recording'. At the same time though it seems so easy to write them off as panderers and self promoters simply because they are 'famous' people whose words and actions are always recorded for all to see and hear. I'm sure some of them are human beings who just happen to be in a position of renown and want to utilise that in some good way. Maybe the wealth these people amass for themselves with houses and lands massive beyond any real necessity makes them feel very obscene as it would the rest of us.

JimJamBonds
07-04-2005, 11:21 PM
I got deja vu when I read this sentence. I could swear I've seen these exact words written in an internet forum before - over at Spawn.com or something. Yet it couldn't have been about Live 8.

I heard the same thing being asked of one of the promoters. I think its a pretty legit question to ask.

I can't stand certain people/groups that always seem to pop up at these sorts of things. cough Paul Hewson cough... aka "Bono" ;). As long as I am up on my soapbox I'll say that it seems Kid Rock has nothing better to do then to show up at every Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

kool-aid killer
07-05-2005, 01:04 AM
Im kind of on the same boat with JimJamBonds on this, it seems like a good cause but i wonder how much it actually gets done. Will we actually see some things turn around or will this same thing pop up in future years? To raise awareness is one thing, to actually create change is another. Im sure some of these artists really do care, but im just as sure that others are involved with it because its a "cool" thing to do. I guess the best way to find out is to actually ask them and find out how in depth their knowledge of the whole situation is, if its a general answer than they probably dont give a stuffing.

Kidhuman
07-05-2005, 01:24 AM
Where else would you get to see a bunch of good bands play? I went to the first Tibetian Freedom show on Randalls island back in the late 90's. 90 bucks for two day ticket. I saw

Porno For Pyros
Bjork
Alanis Morrisette
Tribe called Quest
Pearl Jam
Radiohead
U2
Sonic Youth
Biz Markie
Beastie Boys
REM
Mighty Boss Tones
Bens Fold Five

and many others. Great two days and a helluva memory to be there.

Jek Porky 2002
07-05-2005, 05:29 AM
Does anybody remember Live Aid in 85?

It just seams that the people not from the UK are being rather synical about it, this is major, I don't think these acts are doing it just for their own big heads at all!

arctangent
07-05-2005, 07:53 AM
I'd rather starve to death than watch Madonna lip synch.

it might have been better if she had been - then she wouldn't have got into trouble for swearing on bbc tv!


Does anybody remember Live Aid in 85?

It just seams that the people not from the UK are being rather synical about it, this is major, I don't think these acts are doing it just for their own big heads at all!

i remember live aid. but live 8 has a different aim. it isn't about raising money, but raising awareness.

and that really needs raising as only 9% of americans think that any help should be given to those poor starving children in africa. one dies every 3 seconds. in the length of the uk's live 8 concert that meant 50,000 children died. there were 200,000 people at that concert in hyde park. that's 4 days worth of deaths in african terms.

as was pointed out if that was happening in YOUR country, SOMETHING WOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT.

back to the music, most acts i saw were pretty good, u2, rem and the who were very good and pink floyd were just amazing. i never though i would see those 4 musicians share a stage together again.

some odd choices though. not many of the crowd here knew velvet revolver and most people look astonished/sh*t scared by them and good as the kaiser chiefs are they seemed to get the same reaction in the states. those two should have been swapped over.

snoop dog was pretty funny saying 'what's my motherf*cking name' repeatedly (that went down in a similar fashion to old madge)

and thanks for sending us ms carey. what a waste of a slot when the killers only got one song. boring doesn't describe her set which completely killed the momentum that had been building. and what a diva.

Jargo
07-05-2005, 10:04 AM
Watching both the UK and US footage i was awe struck at the apathy of the US audience. it seemed almost every act was struggling to get anyone to react. For the most part the acts involved in the US concert seemed drab and dull. who the hell was that chick on the piano singing that awful country dirge? and then that guy joined her and looked like he was fiddling with himself stood behind the piano. man only a fiddler has a smile that.
Sure it's about raising awareness but mostly about getting a group of eight world leaders to listen to their countrymen. will it work, probably not. Is Bob Geldof a total head case? probably. But damn it he tried. He tried and succeeded back in '85 (though back then there was real music and people actually responded it to it) but i agree that the heartfely speeches of some of the acts intercutting the music was a little pathetic. kinda like 'here's me telling you how great and good I am. Now back to the music' And man those artists were so old. and in some cass innappropriately dressed. How tight were Jon Bon Jovi's pants? shockingly tight.
I missed Madonna but that's not a bad thing. Paul McCartney should be put to sleep he's well past his sell by date. I had no idea who the hell the rap artists were, Destiny's child made me cringe. Black eyed peas were ok sounding but didn't seem to know what to do on a stage that big. The only song from the US concert that i thought had been carefully chosen was sung by Keith Urban, a cover but a nice choice though for the life of me I can't think which song it was now.
Basically I don't think the concerts will have changed anything. Britain is too stingey to relinquish any debt. America has no intention of doing so either. I think the only thing possible is a lifting on sanctions to certain countries. but lordy even that would be a major move. And we know that no-one is going to start giving away medication to African people with HIV the pharmaceutical companies are way too stingey. So with no wiping the slate clean of third world debt so they can afford to buy medication, and no freebies, nothing will change and somewhere someone will attempt to make out it's a biblical plague and a natural cleansing of the planet. *sigh*

It should be pointed out that after LiveAID in '85 a lot was done to help the Ethiopians, food, tools, the building of wells so they could have clean water, medical aid etc. the place is now a recoving country. but what's being asked now is that so many countries are helped. At this present time neither the states nor the UK can afford to lift the debts. if they do it means a raise in taxes and the cost of living for certain.
I applaud the organisers of the concerts and their deication to the cause but at the end of the day i don't think they managed to engage the apathetic western world enough. it takes a hell of a lot more than a few voices mouthing off to make a change such as they were after.

arctangent
07-05-2005, 10:40 AM
Sure it's about raising awareness but mostly about getting a group of eight world leaders to listen to their countrymen. will it work, probably not. Is Bob Geldof a total head case? probably. But damn it he tried.

better to try and fail than not to try at all


He tried and succeeded back in '85 (though back then there was real music and people actually responded it to it)

you jest, surely. most of the acts at the wembley gig were rubbish, with satus quo, u2, bowie and queen being notable exceptions. looking back now, 80's music was, for the most part, crap.


Basically I don't think the concerts will have changed anything. Britain is too stingey to relinquish any debt. America has no intention of doing so either.

er, britain has written off a huge debt owed to us by african nations. get your facts right, please.


It should be pointed out that after LiveAID in '85 a lot was done to help the Ethiopians, food, tools, the building of wells so they could have clean water, medical aid etc. the place is now a recoving country. but what's being asked now is that so many countries are helped.

it has to be said the most moving moment of the uk concert was when they showed the old live aid video set to 'drive' by the cars. then an african woman was brought onto the stage and introduced as being one of the starving children in that video. she has just graduated from agriculural college, which just goes to show that all the effort back then wasn't wasted.

its just a shame that life expectancy has gone down, not up, despite the huge amount of money that has been raised since 1985.


I applaud the organisers of the concerts and their deication to the cause but at the end of the day i don't think they managed to engage the apathetic western world enough. it takes a hell of a lot more than a few voices mouthing off to make a change such as they were after.

this is true. the biggest problem is that european and american farm subsedies and american cotton farm subsedies make it impossible for any african country to trade with the rest of the world and make money. but germany and france refuse to talk about scrapping their farm subsedies and bush won't scrap the cotton subsedy, all because they risk upsetting too many people in their own countries. and drugs companies refuse to give africa the discounts they give to other countries for aids drugs and stuff like malaria shots, etc.

i guess it is the nature of man to be greedy and to try and get as much for himself/his country as he can.

Patient Zero
07-05-2005, 12:57 PM
I actually did travel down to Philly for the holiday weekend, but did not feel that the bands playing were worth my time so I just hung out on South Street. The footage from the morning after was obsene. There was about a foot of garbage for a several block radious around the concert. They stated that there were only 5 arrests though so I suppose that was something. The security was ridiculous as there was something like 7 cops to every block in Philly and 6/7 police helocopters in the air at any one time.

JimJamBonds
07-05-2005, 01:39 PM
I'll admit I'm skeptical about these sorts of things. The reason why is I don't care for movie people/muscians telling me what to believe in and who/what to give my money too or how I should vote. If they think 'issue X' is worthy and good then so be it but don't shove it down my throat. Even if it revolves around an issue I believe in I don't want to be told what to do. I think if some music group really cares about say curing childhood cancer why don't they take $1 from each ticket sold and donate it to the cause they believe in? How much bigger of an impact would that make? I guess what I'm trying to say is these stars should do what they say and not just tell us how to act.

dr_evazan22
07-05-2005, 09:41 PM
I can't stand certain people/groups that always seem to pop up at these sorts of things. cough Paul Hewson cough... aka "Bono" .

It was Bob Geldof, Bono and Richard Curtis (I think he's a film producer) that put the concerts together. So I would hope that he would show up. It was Live Aid that got Bono interested in helping others.


Will we actually see some things turn around or will this same thing pop up in future years? To raise awareness is one thing, to actually create change is another.

If all that happens is awareness is raised, that already is a change. the longest journey begins with the first step.


Watching both the UK and US footage i was awe struck at the apathy of the US audience.

Hi Jargo! I wasn't able to go myself, but being from Philly, and seeing the crowd out there in front, I kindof winced. In the crowds defense, it was the middle of a hot, sunny afternoon. And also to be fair, IMO ost of the Philly acts sucked. It seemed like the best acts were Linkin Park and Jay Z.

It did seem like there were a number of acts that brought the show to a standstill... Alicia Keys and Sarah McLachlan, both on piano. Then there weer the acts that almost no one knew of... Jars Of Clay? I know one song of thiers from at least 5 years ago.

As Arctagent said tho, debt was relieved of about 18 or so of the very poorest countries. And I don't think that its so much stingyness that keeps some of these govt's from reducing / forgiving debts. people want to see results. And its hard for some people to see the benefit to forgiving debt. A lot of the debt may never be repaid, forgiven or not. the difference will be what those countries will be able to use their money on. By forgiving the debts those countries will be better able to provide for themselves for medications and food and education.

Bono gave the keynote address at the univ of Penn here in Philly last year and said that this - the issue of Debt, AIDS, Trade Africa (see DATA.org and ONE.org) is one of the fronts on the war on terrorism.


it has to be said the most moving moment of the uk concert was when they showed the old live aid video set to 'drive' by the cars. then an african woman was brought onto the stage and introduced as being one of the starving children in that video. she has just graduated from agriculural college, which just goes to show that all the effort back then wasn't wasted.


That's who that was! It must've happened right before Madonna went on, because madonna was hanging all over that girl during 'Like A Prayer'.

Hope you had a good time in Philly GoJ.

JimJamBonds
07-06-2005, 12:28 AM
Well if Bono was in on the planning then he of course should have been there. I still belive that these stars can put their money were their mouths are and donate a share from concerts/films. Its not a bad idea to promote something the thing that gets me is how it is done that is all.

arctangent
07-06-2005, 05:42 AM
Well if Bono was in on the planning then he of course should have been there. I still belive that these stars can put their money were their mouths are and donate a share from concerts/films. Its not a bad idea to promote something the thing that gets me is how it is done that is all.

i have to say that dave gilmour from pink floyd is a very quite but generous supporter of many charities. a couple of years ago he sold his mansion for £3.5 million and gave the money away to a charity for the homeless. pink floyd's (among others) record sales have leaped since the live 8 concerts and he has announced that he doesn't want to profit from this (and i assume that the same goes for the other floyd members) and all royalties will be going to the band aid trust. he has encouraged other groups, individuals (and their record companies) who played at the london concert and have benefitted from increased sales to do the same.

just because you don't read about it, doesn't mean they are not doing their bit. Many don't like to get publicity for the help they give to charity because then they are accused of only doing it to get publicity.

the only reason that mr. gilmour's donation to shelter came to light was because shelter themselves contacted the newspapers, to make a public 'thank-you'

JimJamBonds
07-06-2005, 11:30 AM
just because you don't read about it, doesn't mean they are not doing their bit. Many don't like to get publicity for the help they give to charity because then they are accused of only doing it to get publicity.

That is a very good point, a nice double edged sword there to deal with.

Kidhuman
07-07-2005, 01:07 AM
Or a double side saber like Darth Maul had.

JimJamBonds
07-07-2005, 01:16 AM
Or a double side saber like Darth Maul had.

Ahh haaa touché KH!