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X13VADER
07-07-2005, 05:05 PM
I Would Like To Know How The Date Codes Work Could Someone Explain It To Me?

Kidhuman
07-07-2005, 05:52 PM
If you mean the stamp on the merchj it represents the day month and year in which the product was finalized.

X13VADER
07-07-2005, 05:59 PM
So What Does 50821 Mean For Example?

Kidhuman
07-07-2005, 06:22 PM
I dont remember how to interpet it, I could be wrong but it would mean august 21 2005

Slicker
07-07-2005, 06:29 PM
Yep. That's exactly how it's read KH. The first digit is the last number in the year, the second two are the month, and the last one is the day.

Mandalorian Candidat
07-07-2005, 08:15 PM
I remember it being differently. One of the digits (first or last) was the last digit of the year, the middle three were the day of the year (082 would be sometime in March), and the leftover digit was the number of the production run. JT probably knows.

Kidhuman
07-07-2005, 11:34 PM
Man Can I have heard it both ways and believe you are correct.

Slicker
07-08-2005, 03:01 AM
That sounds right too. That would make it the Julian Date. And if I'm not mistaken today is 188 day or something close to that.

JediTricks
07-08-2005, 05:12 AM
KH, I'm afraid you're wrong, especially since that date code has already been on packaging but it's only July... oooh, toys from the future! :p You were close though, it's:

first number - last digit of year ("5" - 2005)
second, third, and fourth numbers - day of year ("095" - 95th day)
fifth number - always a "1, that I know of anyway, dunno, batch or run perhaps?

So in that example, 50951 would be made on the 95th day of '05: April 5th, 2005.

The question of 50821 - 82nd day of '05: March 23rd, 2005.

X13VADER
07-08-2005, 08:12 AM
So It Is Possible To Get Figures With Same Date Code Then. Example Is A Stormtrooper Orange Card And A Rots Clone Trooper Then Right?

Bobby Fett
07-08-2005, 10:06 AM
It's possible, but many, if not most, POTF2 figures have a four digit date code.

Kidhuman
07-08-2005, 10:55 AM
Wasnt the POTF2 made in 95, so then it is possible for them to have the same date stamp.

JediTricks
07-08-2005, 11:31 PM
I think early POTF2 date codes were a different configuration, only 4 numbers.... which Bobby Fett already said on the next page, and I should have read that before posting. :p

Bobby Fett
07-09-2005, 01:02 AM
I think early POTF2 date codes were a different configuration, only 4 numbers.... which Bobby Fett already said on the next page, and I should have read that before posting. :p

Try to keep up, JT! ;)

JediTricks
07-11-2005, 01:08 AM
Nice. :p I just confirmed it on an old sealed Tarkin I have in the room, 9723, I'm assuming that is 97 for the year and 23 for the week. Dang thing was stamped into the card under the figure, on the front side, so it was pretty hard to find.

inkedforlife
07-11-2005, 10:05 AM
Before I get too far I am going on the assumption you guys are talking about the five digit number that is stamped into the back of the carded figures. If that is the case I am not totally convinced about this date stamp issue. I just went through a bunch of my ROTS figures and checked a few more just out of the box at some stores.I found several figures in my collection and some out of the box with a "4" as the first number in the sequence.
For example I have an Obi Wan with 43271 stamped on the back. That could either be November 23rd 2004 or March 27 of 2004. Both of which seem way too early for these figures to have been made and or finalized. I then checked my sneak preview figures that I got when they came out and they did not even have a 4 as the first number.

I think I am going to email Hasbro and see if they can answer that perplexing question.

Bobby Fett
07-11-2005, 11:06 PM
For what it's worth, here are the highest and lowest POTF2 datestamps in my collection:

9541 (c)1995 Darth Vader

9897 (c)1998 Darth Vader w/ Removable Helmet

90751 (c)1998 Darth Vader w/ Lightsaber = 75th day of 1999 ?

93161 (c)1999 Darth Vader w/ Interrogation Droid = 316th day of 1999 ?

Any ideas, anyone?

JediTricks
07-12-2005, 03:15 AM
Inked, I can guarantee you Hasbro was making Obi-Wan #1 and those other lower-numbered figures as early as November of '04 because I know of a contact who had 'em at that time.

9541 - my guess is the 41st week of 1995, which Vader was indeed available. You sure it's not 9847 on RH Vader though? I ask because there obviously is no 97th week in a year, but the first RH vader was released in March of 1998 and has a datestamp of 9751 which would be December of 1997, a reasonable lag time for that figure.

Your numbers for the last 2 sound right.

Bobby Fett
07-12-2005, 04:57 PM
... You sure it's not 9847 on RH Vader though? I ask because there obviously is no 97th week in a year, but the first RH vader was released in March of 1998 and has a datestamp of 9751 which would be December of 1997, a reasonable lag time for that figure...

It's quite possible that the number is 9847, JT. The imprint is rather faint and the way the figure is packaged makes it very difficult to read.

I'll look later this evening to see if I have any other 4-digit figures that would exceed 52 weeks. I doubt it though - you haven't steered me wrong yet.

...Later this evening: Let's throw out the 9847, because it's a little iffy. The next highest 4-digit datestamp I have is:

9812 (c)1997 Snowtrooper - this seems to fit the pattern.

Here's the largest trailing two digits datestamp I have:

9553 (c)1995 TIE Fighter Pilot - this could still work, because there are 52 and a fraction weeks in a year.

Given this limited sampling, the transition from 4-digits to 5-digits appears to have been made between the 12th week of 1998 and the 45th week (316th day) of 1999.

However (there's always a however!), the datestamp series for the Expanded Universe and Shadows of the Empire lines are in the 82XX and 83XX range. Now what?

JediTricks
07-13-2005, 04:06 AM
I know the Expanded Universe figures were part of the 5-digit system, 82571 is listed on the Clone Emperor in our database and 82911 is on the Dark Trooper, and more like that. This would suggest the date code change over came in mid '98, right around the time they switched from Kenner to Hasbro management of the line (this was made public in 11/98 on the Freeze Frame FLASHBACK PHOTO figures where they dumped the Kenner logo off the cards). If my theory is correct - and there's no guarantee it is - then the Kenner to Hasbro line management switch came between the 25th week of the year and the 28th week of the year because in my search on this, I came up with no 4-digit datestamps after 9825, those were on the figs originally released in August '98; and the earliest 5-digit I found was 81991 (and that was only on Cinema Scenes and other non-basic-figure items, the next basic figures were 3 months later with the Hasbro-branded Nov '98 FFs FBPs).

As for SOTE, I am seeing 9630 and 9631 on all of them, could you double-check your SOTE cards again just in case you misread them?

On the TIE Pilot, there was indeed a 9553, it was the first version, the .00, and the reason I suspect is because the last week of '95 was indeed the 53rd week of that year (Jan 1st of '95 was a Sunday, which made it the first week - I just checked my Palm Pilot's calendar to be sure. :D

BTW, on the 5-digit codes, apparently the last one is a batch number, Thrawn reported seeing as high as 3 on the Ep 1 figures.

Bobby Fett
07-13-2005, 10:34 PM
JT,

You are entirely correct. In transcribing my notes I dropped a digit from the Expanded Universe line. Mine all fall in the 82591 through 83351 range.

My SOTE cards fall in the 9630 through 9635 range.

It's hell when I can't read my own writing. Sorry for the misinformation. I shall thrash myself severely! :(

JediTricks
07-15-2005, 08:51 PM
That's ok, I made a little mistake in my last post too, I said the Nov '98s were Freeze Frame (FF) figures when in fact I meant Flashback Photo (FBP) figures. Pretty major difference.

BTW, in answer to an earlier question...

So It Is Possible To Get Figures With Same Date Code Then. Example Is A Stormtrooper Orange Card And A Rots Clone Trooper Then Right? Not until late in 2008, assuming Hasbro hasn't canned the line since then or changed the datestamp system again. The reason is because, as I explained in earlier posts here, the 5-digit codes which Hasbro currently uses didn't start on basic figures until late in 1998, so in order to have a modern figure with its 5-digit stamp match a POTF2 figure's 5-digit stamp, it'd have to come out 10 years after the original.

X13VADER
07-18-2005, 09:01 AM
Well I Picked Up A 500th Darth Vader And Its Number Is 50842. So I Thought Everyone Ended In A 1

JediTricks
07-20-2005, 02:03 AM
Nope, turns out the last number is batch number, and while Hasbro does mostly just 1-run days, apparently they have been known to do as many as 3-run days. My guess is that multiple runs in a single day means they know there's a lot of demand and are focusing on that item more than others. I just checked my 500th Vader's date stamp: 51151