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El Chuxter
07-21-2005, 02:26 PM
This is the latest of the "who would win?" threads. Someone picks two Star Wars characters and we debate who would win a no holds barred fight to the finish (or to the pain, or whatever) for about a week, then someone else throws out two characters and we debate their battle. And so forth and so on.

I'll start off with:

DARTH MAUL vs GENERAL GRIEVOUS

The two lightsaber-wielding "bulldogs" of the prequel era go at it head-to-head. Given their personalities, this one will definitely be to the death.

Who will win, and how will it go down?

I'll be back in a bit with my thoughts.

Captain Spoon
07-21-2005, 02:42 PM
I say maul. Grevious was a joke. Even though Obi killed both of them easily Grievous would of only lasted 2 minutes if not for that stupid wheelbike

JimJamBonds
07-21-2005, 02:47 PM
I don't really see Maul being a thinker and going about it the way that Obi Wan did. Yes he has Force powers and could Force push GG just like Obi did I see him being more of a hacker and going about it with brute force. GG's droid brain could keep up with Obi Wan I don't know why he couldn't have kept up with Maul. I think GG is the winner because he could overwhelm Maul but Grevious would likely lose a limb or two in the fight and Maul would be dead.

El Chuxter
07-21-2005, 02:59 PM
For me, this is actually a pretty tough fight to gauge.

In terms of size and raw strength, Grievous has a clear advantage.

However, size matters not if your ally is the Force, and Maul has an advantage in that respect.

Grievous can wield four weapons, and Maul only two. But as they were both defeated by a Jedi who'd lost a saber, this doesn't really say too much.

Grievous defeated more Jedi during his career, but this could be because his career was not only longer, but more in the open. Maul operated in the shadows, avoiding overt confrontation, until his final battle.

Both were finally bested in combat by Obi-Wan Kenobi after falling victim to their own overconfidence. Maul was killed by Obi-Wan when he was a Padawan, but by the same token Grievous was killed by Obi-Wan when he resorted to unexpected, non-Jedi tactics by swiping Grievous' blaster. So that's not a clear indication.

On Naboo, Maul easily held his own against two Jedi, a Master and a Padawan. Qui-Gon was considered one of the greatest fighters in the history of the Order, yet was defeated by Maul.

This was (including EU), the second time he'd confronted Jedi. A few weeks or months earlier, on Coruscant, he'd killed a couple of Jedi and remained unknown.

Grievous went up against four Masters and two Padawans at once on Hypori. He killed the Padawans, left three Masters for dead (one so gravely injured that ARC Troopers picked up no vital signs), and was on the verge of defeating the fourth Master.

Though this was the first time he made himself known to the Jedi, he'd secretly killed a few in the catacombs of Geonosis, and shortly thereafter defeated both Durge and Asajj Ventress in his final test from Dooku. And rumor has it that he'd killed Jedi before his fateful shuttle crash as well.

Grievous has an unquestionable advantage in terms of experience. He's also proven that he knows when to run away, something Maul had a fatal problem with. Also, he served as a ruthless and effective military leader both before and after his cybernetic augmentation.

I think Grievous will eventually win out, having the stronger mind in this (nearly) evenly matched battle of sheer power.

However, I think after the fight, a bad cough will be the least of the General's worries.

Kidhuman
07-21-2005, 06:53 PM
Maul would kill him. The only thing Maul knew was attack and kill.

Slicker
07-21-2005, 07:18 PM
I'm gonna have to go with Maul. Although GG has a size and lightsaber advantage he's still only human...er, droid. Maul has the obvious force advantage and was killed by Obers because he had no damn room to manuever.

JediTricks
07-21-2005, 08:41 PM
GG's droid brain could keep up with Obi Wan I don't know why he couldn't have kept up with Maul. Grievous's brain is one of the few organic components left in him.

If this is just a straight fight, I'm going to give it to Maul, Grievous's saber technique against Obi-Wan was pitiful, Obi-Wan cut off 2 of his hands with 1 single-bladed saber, Maul has the benefit of using a saber that can be 1- or 2-bladed. I would say they would be fairly evenly matched in the physical stuff, but ultimately it is Maul's ferocity that would give him the edge as Grievous seemed to prefer toying with his enemy rather than blatantly attacking (c'mon, the guy has 4 lightsabers on, maybe if he attacked in more than 1 spot with them he wouldn't have lost so easily, what's the point of multiple sabers if you're not going to make your opponent defend multiple positions at once?) - Maul would go right for the kill.

kool-aid killer
07-21-2005, 11:44 PM
I think Maul would win, simply because he seemed to have a ferocious attacking style compared to Grievous' theatrics. Maul seemed more like a bulldog, and Grievous a show poodle. I think Grievous would spend too much time trying to intimidate and therefore lose because Maul was all action. Plus Grievous didnt seem very invincible with his four lightsabers as it was, Maul would have cut him down.

CaptainSolo1138
07-22-2005, 07:47 AM
I'll go the opposite way of most of you and say GG. He gave Obers a better fight than Maul did, and since Obers whacked Maul like a punk, it stands to reason that GG would own him as well.

Good thread, Chux! :D

El Chuxter
07-22-2005, 12:04 PM
No, Maul was not killed because he had no room to manuever. He was killed because he was too full of himself and decided to stand there and taunt Obi-Wan. A great warrior would have killed him, not gloated and left himself wide open for counterattack.

Still going with Grievous, but like I said, it would likely be the most difficult fight of his life, er, afterlife.

Bel-Cam Jos
07-22-2005, 11:02 PM
Tale of the Tape!

Snide Comments:
Maul: 0, Grievous: 3 Winner? GRIEVOUS

Times Shown the Ability to Survive in a Vacuum:
Maul: 0, Grievous: 1 Winner? GRIEVOUS

Rapore With Droids:
Maul: 3, Grievous: 0 Winner? MAUL

Dramatic Disrobing:
Maul: 1, Grievous: 1 Winner? DRAW

Cool Hovercraft:
Maul: 1, Grievous: 0 Winner? MAUL

Cool Land Craft:
Maul: 0, Grievous: 1 Winner? GRIEVOUS

Cool Eyes:
Maul: 2, Grievous: 2 Winner? DRAW

Fame of Voice Actor:
Maul: 0, Grievous: 0 Winner? DRAW

Number of Action Figures Whose Magnetic Feature is Crappy:
Maul: 1, Grievous: 1 Winner? DRAW

Name as Alliteration:
Maul: 0, Grievous: 1 Winner? GRIEVOUS

Overall Winner? GRIEVOUS, 4-2-4. As Mr. Baccay (sp?) says, "the numbers don't lie." :p

JimJamBonds
07-23-2005, 12:07 AM
I think the book showed GG and his fighting in a better light. In the movie he has 4 blades but for the most part does not use all 4 at the same time. In the book GG starts off with something like 8 moves per second. Since Obi can handle it GG keeps ramping up the number of moves and in the end I think its something like 16ish per second. This is when Obi goes on the attack and starts slicing off hands. Granted this is all from the book but had some of this been in the movie GG would have come across as a much better swordsman..err swordsalien...errr swordsdroid. lol I still think the end result would have Grievous killing Maul.

2-1B
07-23-2005, 01:29 AM
Grievous because he had those 7 wives to live for.

JimJamBonds
07-23-2005, 12:40 PM
Grievous because he had those 7 wives to live for.

Sounds like 7 reasons to lose! :D

Rocketboy
07-23-2005, 09:44 PM
Grievous all the way.

Maul got stomped by a padawan Obi-Wan, while Grievous did better against an older, more experienced Master Obi-Wan.

GG was a military man type of thing and DM was an attack dog.


Plus, Grievous didn't just stand there like a dolt.

Slicker
07-23-2005, 09:54 PM
But you all are forgetting that padawan Obers had just seen his master slain by Maul and the rage from that caused him to no doubts get angry and we all know Yoda's fear, anger, hate thingy. When Obers fought GG he was just fighting someone to TRY and end the war. As can be seen, the war didn't end when he was killed. Although I hate both my vote still stands with Richard Maul.

JediTricks
07-24-2005, 08:14 PM
Maul got stomped by a padawan Obi-Wan, while Grievous did better against an older, more experienced Master Obi-Wan.But Grievous's actual fight with Obi-Wan lasted less than a quarter as long as Maul's battle with Obi-Wan - and Maul had to contend with Qui-Gon as well.


GG was a military man type of thing and DM was an attack dog. How will military training help Grievous in a 1-on-1 fight though?


Plus, Grievous didn't just stand there like a dolt.This is true, instead he ran right at Obi-Wan who had just grabbed a gun and didn't even try to defend himself with the large energy weapon in his hands. Similar to Qui-Gon's death actually, taking a wide move for a killstroke and not paying close enough attention to the enemy's weapons.

El Chuxter
07-26-2005, 04:42 PM
Okay, the steam seems to be running out of the Grievous vs Maul fight (though feel free to add thoughts if you've not already).

So let's move on to:

(Adult) Boba Fett vs Jango Fett

Slicker
07-26-2005, 05:19 PM
(Adult) Boba Fett vs Jango FettLet's see, one of them got killed (yes k-i-l-l-e-d. As in didn't survive the Sarlaac) by a blind guy with a stick and the other got his melon lopped off by a Jedi. Need I even say that Jango would win.

JimJamBonds
07-26-2005, 11:01 PM
I say Jango would win. I'm sure there were plenty of tricks the old man never showed Junior.

Kidhuman
07-26-2005, 11:53 PM
I thnk it would be a GREAT fight. I would have to go with Boba Fett.

Daddy couldnt teach him everything because headless people are bad teachers.

kool-aid killer
07-26-2005, 11:55 PM
Im going with Jango also, he was trained by the Mandalorians whereas poor little Boba didnt get too far in his training, so maybe he doesnt reach his full potential due to daddys untimely demise. Plus we actually got to see Jango in action a couple of times, Boba doesnt do much fighting and when he does he isnt too impressive. Jango wins the bounty.

JediTricks
07-27-2005, 01:01 AM
Boba Fett being a clone and all, I'll say it'd be a tie. They each have slightly unique styles, but in the end I suspect they'd exhaust each other and move on to something more prosperous.

CaptainSolo1138
07-27-2005, 08:58 AM
I think Jango would own Boba, mostly for the reasons Slicker pointed out. Beyond that it boils down to what everyone else is saying about Jango having better training.

I do like JT's theory of a tie since they're clones, though. But if that's the case, how did Han defeat Boba when they, too, are both clones :confused: :D



HA! Boba got killed by a blind guy with a stick.

Rocketboy
07-27-2005, 10:52 AM
Gotta to with Jango. He did face Obi-Wan and walk away.


Plus, he knows how to take care of his things - all shiny and clean.
Boba didn't take care of dad's stuff, all ragged scuffed up.

Damn kids.

JediTricks
07-27-2005, 06:35 PM
Did you know that Lucas thought about having Boba Fett climb back out of the Sarlacc in the ROTJ:SE because of how popular the character became?

As for Jango facing Obi-Wan, Boba Fett gave Luke a bit of trouble and was even possibly about to kill him when the fates (and convoluted writing ;)) conspired against him. A 1-on-1 there likely would have resulted the same as Jango vs Obi-Wan.

I think Boba Fett not leaving his gear all shiny makes sense, nothing's quite as inconspicuous as gleaming metal armor and shiny blasters. :p

JimJamBonds
07-27-2005, 11:36 PM
Did you know that Lucas thought about having Boba Fett climb back out of the Sarlacc in the ROTJ:SE because of how popular the character became?

I was watching the DVD version the other day with the commentary on and Geroge said something along the lines of if he knew Boba was going to be as 'huge' as he became his death would have been better. He went on to say that he is dead and some people can't accept that. lol

Bel-Cam Jos
07-31-2005, 09:35 AM
I'd go with Boba Fett because if you read the Boba Fett young adult series of books, Jango gave Boba Fett an electronic book to help him throughout life. I'm sure that there's a chapter or file in it titled "How to Kill a Mandalorian Warrior." Boba Fett would've tried to learn everything he could.

Now, you might be wondering why I used Boba Fett's full name all the time. Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where? (bonk! ) Aaahhhhhhhh!!!!!

My bad. :rolleyes: