An entire Legion knows Vader's true identity

[El Chuxter]

This rests completely on EU here, but hear me out:

In ROTS, we see Vader, using that name, leading the 501st to kill the Jedi. Obviously they'd have to know the name of their leader (especially since he makes a transmission to Palpatine and is called that by Palpy during the course of the mission). If they're the best of the best, they'd be smart enough recognize him as Anakin Skywalker, famous hero of the Clone Wars.

Recent info on starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/501st/?id=eu) related to Battlefront II states that they continued working as Vader's elite, even as late as the Battle of Endor.

It's not too much of a stretch to say that these guys, being smart fellas, could figure out that Anakin starts using the name Vader, kills the Jedi, and somehow ends up in a tin can, using the same name.

I just find it somewhat interesting that, elite or not, Vader allowed them to live knowing what they knew.

[Rocketboy]

I highly doubt Vader is used the same clones that attacked the Temple with him in the OT era.
Those that were killed over the years would naturally have been replenished. And those that could have still been alive by the time of Endor would have to be well past their prime and at least in their 50's.
And If the clones still age at an accelerated rate (and not just grown at an accelerated rate) should be long dead by the time of Endor.

[Mr. JabbaJohnL]

Yeah, it's likely that new clones/recruits were made part of the 501st, as most of them were killed by Yoda and Obi-Wan, and they would grow up way too fast.

[El Chuxter]

Okay, it slipped my mind that they'd all be aging at an accelerated pace. So it's more than likely that none of the Jango clones involved in the storming of the Jedi Temple are alive at the time of Endor, and if they are, then they're probably in an old clones' home somewhere.

But to allow any rank-and-file foot soldiers, no matter how elite, to be in on what the Sith Lords must consider to be one of their greatest secrets, seems rather unusual. The Emperor is far from secure in his position, even with the Jedi more or less wiped out. It's true that Clones are loyal and cannot be bribed, but they can be drugged and tortured. For Vader and Palpatine to allow for even the slight chance that the information could get into the hands of their foes seems really quite odd.

I don't think, BTW, that the majority of the 501st would've been killed by Obi-Wan and Yoda. They definitely took down some, but we're talking about a legion large enough to slaughter an entire buildingful of Jedi Knights and Masters. Even the greatest Masters would think twice about facing them head-on in their entirety, so I'm sure Yoda and Obi-Wan used stealth more than brawn when they returned to Coruscant.

[Bel-Cam Jos]

This rests completely on EU here, but hear me out:

In ROTS, we see Vader, using that name, leading the 501st to kill the Jedi. Obviously they'd have to know the name of their leader (especially since he makes a transmission to Palpatine and is called that by Palpy during the course of the mission). If they're the best of the best, they'd be smart enough recognize him as Anakin Skywalker, famous hero of the Clone Wars.

Recent info on starwars.com (http://www.starwars.com/databank/organization/501st/?id=eu) related to Battlefront II states that they continued working as Vader's elite, even as late as the Battle of Endor.

It's not too much of a stretch to say that these guys, being smart fellas, could figure out that Anakin starts using the name Vader, kills the Jedi, and somehow ends up in a tin can, using the same name.

I just find it somewhat interesting that, elite or not, Vader allowed them to live knowing what they knew.But what if (and isn't this all about the "what if" element?) Palpatine says that all the Jedi are extinct (including Anakin), but that Darth Vader is a more powerful Sith than any Jedi. He doesn't have to say WHO is under the armor. Also, if Palpy can make every clone in the galaxy follow Order 66, why can't he inform them that Vader is not Anakin?

Palpatine: "Commander, do you see that blaster over there?"
Clone: "Yes, your Highness."
Palpatine: "That is now called a womp rat."
Clone: "Yes, your Highness."
Palpatine: "Commander, do you see that womp rat over there?"
Clone: "Yes, your Highness."
Palpatine: "That is now called a blaster."
Clone: "Yes, your Highness."
Palpatine (rubbing fingertips together): "Excellent." (then slaps clone when Vader pulls string)
:D

[2-1B]

Why does it need to be a secret in the first place ? Why would it matter to Palps or Vader if the stormtroopers knew who he used to be ? :confused:

Seems to me the only people who care about keeping the secret are Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi (and stillakid :D ) but that's because of their interest in protecting Luke from the Father/Son aspect.

[Tycho]

Maybe the TV show will reveal that Han Solo is a lost clone and help resolve this issue.

You know I had to say that.

[X13VADER]

Is That A Secret?

[JEDIpartner]

Tune into Madonna's new documentary, "I'm Going to Tell You a Secret" and find out!

[anti-hero]

I don't know a whole lot about the EU, but I thought I'd venture some opinions anyway...

Until recently, I always wondered if the reason the stormtroopers were so different from the clones (different voice, not as dangerous, etc) was because, in order to keep their secrets, Palps and Vader had all the Jango clones killed and replaced them with other clones. But then I watched the commentary on EII and Lucas does say that the clones are the stormtroopers. Still doesn't explain why the new stormtroopers have different voices tho.

I wonder if the reason that the OT troops weren't as good as the clones is because, in order to create and maintain a large enough army to occupy a Galaxy, they sped up the growing process and lessened the amount of training each clone gets. I wonder also if the reason they don't have Jango voice is because he was the one actually doing the training until he died. I always thought it was wierd that they kept Jango on Kamino unless he was actually training the clones.

[JimJamBonds]

Until recently, I always wondered if the reason the stormtroopers were so different from the clones (different voice, not as dangerous, etc) was because, in order to keep their secrets, Palps and Vader had all the Jango clones killed and replaced them with other clones. But then I watched the commentary on EII and Lucas does say that the clones are the stormtroopers. Still doesn't explain why the new stormtroopers have different voices tho.

Due to the sped up aging process the clones would be 'past their prime' by the time of the OT. Its about 33 yrs from TPM - ANH and that would put a clone at about 66 years old. So they'd just be too darn old.


I wonder if the reason that the OT troops weren't as good as the clones is because, in order to create and maintain a large enough army to occupy a Galaxy, they sped up the growing process and lessened the amount of training each clone gets. I wonder also if the reason they don't have Jango voice is because he was the one actually doing the training until he died. I always thought it was wierd that they kept Jango on Kamino unless he was actually training the clones.

I think the reason Jango hung around Kamino was due to the fact that his DNA would have been needed. I suspect a sample was only good for 'so long' and then they would need a new supply. Keeping that in mind after a certain point a new clone source would be needed since the 'Jango supply' would have ran out. Also I don't think Jango trained the troops, he was simply the genitic source for the clones. Jango didn't fight as part of a platoon, batallion etc. he fought as a single entity. Granted that 'knowledge' could be used for more elite groups of troopers but the rank and file would not use those techniques.

[bobafrett]

I think the reason Jango hung around Kamino was due to the fact that his DNA would have been needed.

Anyone remember the movie "Multiplicity" with Micheal Keaton, and by the time the 6th clone is made from the previous clones DNA, they 6th clone is a little "slow". If they didn't have freash Jango DNA, pretty soon you'd have a bunch of half dressed clones shooting each other wiping out the clones for good! :laugh:

[JetsAndHeels]

I think the reason Jango hung around Kamino was due to the fact that his DNA would have been needed.

Actually I stayed there because I love the weather. It's very beautiful there this time of year.

[JimJamBonds]

Anyone remember the movie "Multiplicity" with Micheal Keaton, and by the time the 6th clone is made from the previous clones DNA, they 6th clone is a little "slow". If they didn't have freash Jango DNA, pretty soon you'd have a bunch of half dressed clones shooting each other wiping out the clones for good! :laugh:

Wow a Michael Keaton reference, I wasn't expecting that. :D Good call Frett. ;)

[2-1B]

Actually I stayed there because I love the weather. It's very beautiful there this time of year.

And the fishing, don't forget the fishing !

[Slicker]

Why does it need to be a secret in the first place ? Why would it matter to Palps or Vader if the stormtroopers knew who he used to be ? :confused: Exactly. I don't think it's supposed to be a state secret who Vader is.

[darthvyn]

Anyone remember the movie "Multiplicity" with Micheal Keaton, and by the time the 6th clone is made from the previous clones DNA, they 6th clone is a little "slow". If they didn't have freash Jango DNA, pretty soon you'd have a bunch of half dressed clones shooting each other wiping out the clones for good! :laugh:

yeah, but they'd give 'em safety razors with the blades taken out and water-squirting plaster rifles, anyway... that's why they couldn't hit the broadside of a gundark in the OT...

[vintageknight]

Come on, these guys served with the jedi knowing there could be a an execution order given for there leaders, they can keep a secret.

besides, darthvader not being a french fry was only 1 evening, he left for mustafar right after the jedi temple clensing, so only the surviving clones from the temple attack would have known about a human vader...

and yes as far as stormtroopers are conserned there are multiple doners, see starwars insider 84 page 58 republic holonet news, Become a clone doner "As the war's heroes take up their new roles as defenders of the empire, they need your help. If you are a man between the ages of 18 - 30 and scored in the top 5th percentile on your GAR physical exam, an agent will be contacting you shortly. Leave your mark on future generations!"

for some reason i dont think this would have been voluntary.....


VK

[JEDIpartner]

At least they know he's not "Charlotte"!!!

[JimJamBonds]

for some reason i dont think this would have been voluntary.....

Kind of like sp*** donation? lol