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Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-20-2005, 02:53 PM
Like on the Colbert Report. :D

For the first time in a while, we're getting pack-ins with our figures in the Saga Collection, which are miniature hologram figures and character-specific stands. Which pack-ins of the past did you love/hate?

*Hologram stickers (1997)
*Freeze Frames (1998)
*Flashback Photos (1998)
*COMMTech Chips (1999)
*Force Files (2000-2001)
*Transparent Star Wars stands (2003)
*Gray/black Star Wars stands (2004-2005)
*Mini hologram figures (2006)
*Character-specific stands (2006)

They all seem a little unnecessary to me. If I wanted all this crap, I'd buy it . . . just give me the damn figure! Call me crazy, but I kind of like having more accessories that were actually in the films!

The stickers were more of an add-on to the package than anything.

Freeze Frames were pointless to anyone without a projector . . . and also pointless to people who did have projectors.

FB photos were okay for the limited run they had, but I wouldn't want to ever see them again (Evolutions is a better way of showing the changes of the characters).

The chips were a good idea, but were executed terribly. None of the real actors voiced the chips, except for maybe Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best. Also, there were too many background characters with no lines that just sounded dumb on the figure. They worked well as stands, at least.

Force Files were kind of cool. I liked the little stories and things, but those made-up stats (like Force Sensitivity and crap like that) were useless.

The different stands were pretty good for display. The black ones were the best as they could interconnect with one another, but I liked how the clear ones don't detract from the natural look of the figure in dioramas.

The holos appear to be cool, but useless for the most part. It's gonna be a real b*tch to try to get all of them, especially since they're randomly packed. I suppose they'll look cool apart from the figures but I hope they don't make too many of them. I already see that there's 2 different Dookus, so that likely means we'll have a buttload of variations.

The new stands look very nice, even though there are misspellings on the Leia and Chewie ones. I really like how the film's name is on the base itself, but I forsee that there'll be many errors down the road with these.

DarkArtist
11-20-2005, 03:32 PM
I sort of liked the Force Files, I though it was a great idea and gave the younger crowd something to use a backdrop for another story not seen in the Star Wars films.
The holo figures are a cool idea as well and would work provided that the same holos are with the same figures. ie if leia boushh lets say was the only way to get a holo of boba fett, etc.
I also liked the coins that came from the vintage POTF line, still searching for a cheap Han Carbonite coin, as it is the only one I need.
As far as the holo stickers, freeze frames, comm tech chips can do without. The stands were a cool idea as far as displaying the figures, but they had trouble fitting together.
I also agree with the idea of having movie specific weapons or bases but if that's the case make it accurate, not semi-accurate. And as far as the bases, make them fit in multiple configirations, unlike the senate bases for ROTS.

Devo
11-20-2005, 03:42 PM
It remains for me to see what the mini-holograms look like. I'd hope they're like the Obi-wan hologram that came with Saga Bail Organa but probably not. Either way though I don't really need them unless they're from the films. The best packins have been the clear stands or scene-specific stands such as those that came with later saga figures and in the ROTS line...though the latter could have done with more variety. I don't insist on pack-ins but if we get them so be it.

JON9000
11-20-2005, 04:15 PM
I actually prefer pack-ins that enhance the toy, like character / environment stands, such as the one that came with the most recent Saga Hoth Luke, or Dagobah Luke. I also dig really big accessories. I think they make the figure look that much cooler on display. Otherwise I like the clear stands best.

I was never really a fan of the Freeze-frame because it was used as a cover for jacking up the price of figures $2.00 (I am still angry). The commtech chip was okay, and could be used as a stand as well. I didn't really care either way about the sticker, I thought they made the cards look worse.

I am curious about the holos, but I a refuse to buy an extra figure or a repack just to get a specific holo, which is what this is probably all about... Hasbro's marketing department can kiss my bum.

Sidiously Darth
11-20-2005, 04:35 PM
Nice title, I love The Colbert Report!!!:thumbsup:

As for the pack-ins, I'm rather torn. I like getting a little something extra with my purchase, but a sticker applied to a card is nothing extra. Look at the Marvel Legend figures. Now that's a pack-in.:yes:

I know we will not get anything close to that but I think we as American collectors got screwed on the bonus pit & battle droids. I'm still after the 3 pit droids that came with the Naboo Royal Guard and Darth Sidious.:frus:

The mini holos sound cool but collecting them is probably going to be a problem. I see theft, switching, hoarding and scalping in our future once again.:mad:

Stands are always great as long as the figure can actually stand on it. I give you the Queen Amidala Celebration Ceremony transitional figure as an example.:cry:

I guess I would like Hasbro to give us great figures and then give some attention to pack-ins. As long as it does not detract from the figure being good.

2-1B
11-20-2005, 05:28 PM
The chips were a good idea, but were executed terribly. None of the real actors voiced the chips, except for maybe Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best.

I thought most of them were taken from the movie. Mace Windu and Watto come to mind as examples.

JAXXON
11-20-2005, 05:35 PM
*Hologram stickers (1997)-enhances packaging,thats cool for peple who do the sealed scene.Feel the same on all these pack-ins if it makes the package look better...however, play-value?Well the stickers were adhered to the card not much PV to that. (If they had been in the package it would have been improvement) (alaBendemFigures) *Freeze Frames (1998)-Best of the lot (seeing as vintage pack-ins were not mentioned COINS!!!! blows holes in everything else)The Freeze Frames was the closest Hasbro came to the coins of yesteryear especially with the send away stuff like the slide folders and macrobinocular slide viewer. You know a perfect research into this survey should involve watching what goes for what on EBay and I'd be pretty suprised if it was not this line (ie Weequay).
*Flashback Photos (1998)Promotion was cool and shortlived or should I say because it was shortlived it was cool,transition stuff should always have little extra ummph and then makeway for the longer lines
*COMMTech Chips (1999)They blew it with these,awesome concept I can remember back in 1999 looking at the new pictures of these in Toyfair in Borders and thinking how great the would be and also the dissapointment I felt when they did not use the actors from the movie for the dialog R2,Destroyer Droid were't bad but I guess beeps and blasts isn't hard to get licensing for. Never understood why they didnot use real actors voices and I am just assuming it was copyright dogma.
*Force Files (2000-2001)-I liked these, sort of remineisent of G.I.Joe File Cards and Transformer Tech Specs.The extra backgroud on charcters is well conceived and I think help younger collectors into the universe.Although having read as much EU as I have noticing discrepincies in a fairly common lore made me grit my teeth a bit-nice idea though could've gone longer.
*Transparent Star Wars stands (2003)stands nowadays should be standard
*Gray/black Star Wars stands (2004-2005)stands nowadays should be standard
*Mini hologram figures (2006)I'm a little lost on this idea, if it's the same mini on the same figure fine (ex Vader gets mini Emperor) if it's random pack (ex Vader gets mini Emperor or Clone Trooper or Obi-Wan or Padme etc.)Well I"ll just start banging my head against the wall now. Hasbro I'm sure realizes that collectors are like junkies and just can't get enough. I will dip into my sons college fund and go out and find each 3" figure and buy the ten different versions of Holo pack in that comes with each 3" figure running me into the ground only to eat PBJ sandwhiches for the rest of my life.Man...I hope it's the same Holo in each.
*Character-specific stands (2006)This could have been best realized through a box set (sort of like EPI acc. sets)Reason Being is maybe specific stand for Luminara is nice but you woul prefer it on a better version of the toy and don't want to buy a less desireable sculpt only to acheive the specific stand.Put em in a box set!!!

JEDIpartner
11-20-2005, 05:46 PM
I like the stands... I'd prefer more location-specific stands like the ones we have had periodically for the last couple years. Oh, well... who cares what I have to say?

Slicker
11-20-2005, 06:12 PM
I've been quite the fan of several of the pack-ins mainly the Freeze Frames and the CommTech chips. The Freeze Frames was a really unique way to produce and add in and was one of my favorite looking cards. The Commtech Chips too were both unique and functional.


I thought most of them were taken from the movie. Mace Windu and Watto come to mind as examples.I'm pretty sure most of them were indeed taken from the movie. The one that strikes me is the Luke figure. When you cue up one of his sounds it's a phrase from the end battle of ANH and you can hear the X-Wing sounds on the chip.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-20-2005, 06:20 PM
I thought most of them were taken from the movie. Mace Windu and Watto come to mind as examples.
Maybe it's just the poor sound quality on the reader, but Watto sounds way higher and nasally than he did in the film. (At least as I remember; I haven't used it in some time.)

I'll have to listen to them again, but I'm fairly sure that they're not from the film. If they're from the actors, well, I think they must have re-recorded the lines for the figures, since I remember some of the wordings being slightly different (like on Queen Amidala, for example). It seemed to me like there were three or four different guys who could kind of simulate the voices, as many of the voices sounded similar to each other.

2-1B
11-20-2005, 08:53 PM
I think it was just the quality of the chip player. :)

Deoxyribonucleic
11-21-2005, 03:59 PM
*Hologram stickers (1997)
*Freeze Frames (1998)
*Flashback Photos (1998)
*COMMTech Chips (1999)
*Force Files (2000-2001)
*Transparent Star Wars stands (2003)
*Gray/black Star Wars stands (2004-2005)
*Mini hologram figures (2006)
*Character-specific stands (2006)




I enjoyed the Freeze frames, the force files and the stands (that way I don't have to buy any myself, although those new little ones that have come out look pretty darn cool), and the hologram figures seem pretty cool! As long as these packins don't get in the way of the articulation and overall design of the figure, I don't care! And if by not including them, the price would go down, I could do without the packin's as well.

Rocketboy
11-21-2005, 11:11 PM
Most of them were pretty cool, but in the end, with the exception of the stands, they were useless.
I've always liked the stands, especially for those hard-to-balance figures. They are even better when the stand relates to the figure (like the dirt and firepit for the Tusken Raider).

Fluke Skywalker
11-26-2005, 02:05 PM
I say save the gimmicks and add me a point of articulation. :thumbsup:

LTBasker
11-26-2005, 03:42 PM
Like on the Colbert Report. :D
I already see that there's 2 different Dookus, so that likely means we'll have a buttload of variations.

Actually the second one that looks like Dooku is Jedi Luke, Hasbro for some reason decided Luke should have both his lightsaber and cloak. If you look closely you'll notice, but I'm sure there will be alot of people confused between the two.



*Hologram stickers (1997)

They weren't really an extra or anything as you couldn't take them off and reuse them, they were just there to spruce up the packaging so they really can't count. They were sort of annoying though since they were applied after the bubble was, when you removed the figure you risked peeling off the sticker sometimes.

*Freeze Frames (1998)

These were cool, I actually prefer these. Granted, they didn't do anything but they were pretty spiffy. Though, a bit annoying if you bought multiples of one figure. I'd like to see these make a comeback at some point but not in the main line.

*Flashback Photos (1998)

These were bulky and not very exciting, good for a small run of figures and nothing else.

*COMMTech Chips (1999)

Cool idea, horrible execution. Though I don't think it was all Hasbro's fault as I think it was mostly the lack of quality technology that was affordable. They were awesome as stands, but made it horrible for stacking carded figures.

*Force Files (2000-2001)

Nifty, but useless and a waste.

*Transparent Star Wars stands (2003)
*Gray/black Star Wars stands (2004-2005)

Stands are always a good idea, the color or opacity of the stand didn't matter to me as it was just cool to get stands. The thing that was dissapointing is that the stand was so bulky and molding problems made it difficult to connect alot of them without having to modify the stand's extension holes.


*Mini hologram figures (2006)
*Character-specific stands (2006)

The stands are cool as they're much slimmer and hopefully they have the molding problems solved. The hologram figures I think are actually spiffy I just loathe the thought of them being randomly packed AND right near a spot that is easily opened. More evidence that Hasbro has good ideas but can't execute them very well.

I think they need to stick with the stands, possibly the landscape based ones. Even these stands are great though, they just need to do away with the random holo figure nonsense.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-26-2005, 06:20 PM
Yeah, I noticed about "Dooku 2" being Luke once Hasbro posted it on their site. What an odd choice for a Luke; he didn't have his cape when he had his saber.

I listened to pretty much all of the Commtech chips yesterday, as I hadn't done that in a long time. If you needed proof that they aren't from the film, listen to any of the three Darth Mauls, who all sound more like Palpatine than Maul. There are several lines with the emphasis on different words, and the like . . . even Anakin, whom I thought for sure was Jake, sounded way different (and I don't think it was the chip player's fault).

And I forgot all about those fantastic blaster and lightsaber sounds. :rolleyes: Apparently they light their sabers, swing and clash them a few times, then turn them off in under 20 seconds. :D

sith_killer_99
11-26-2005, 08:35 PM
I wish they would just kill the "pack-ins" we don't need 'em. Star Wars has never depended upon stupid gimmicks to sell. Though Hasbro seems to think otherwise.:rolleyes:

Rocketboy
11-26-2005, 10:08 PM
Star Wars has never depended upon stupid gimmicks to sell. Though Hasbro seems to think otherwise.:rolleyes:Yeah! Especially things like exclusive mail-in offers like: Early Bird sets, Action Figure Display Stands, Rocket-Launching Boba Fett, Bossk, Action Figure Survival Kits, Action Figure Display Arena, 4-LOM, Admiral Ackbar, Nien Nunb, The Emperor, Coins, or Anakin Skywalker. :D

Mandalorian Candidat
11-26-2005, 10:59 PM
Most of them were pretty cool, but in the end, with the exception of the stands, they were useless.
I've always liked the stands, especially for those hard-to-balance figures. They are even better when the stand relates to the figure (like the dirt and firepit for the Tusken Raider).

I've always been a proponent of pack-in figure stands. They're just a great way of enhancing the figure because most buyers are going to be posing them so why not make it easy to do so? Many collectors don't have nearby retailers (speciality shops) who stock them so they have to get them online which adds shipping charges. They're cheap and make a neat little diorama with character-specific ones like the later Saga ones (Tusken Raider, Coleman Trebor, Aayla Secura). Raise the price by 25-50 cents and throw one in and I'm happy.

The best pack-in is still hands down the CommTech chips. A great idea because they doubled as stands. I realize there were problems such as sound quality and the ubiquitous lightsaber and explosion sound effects but it was cool to make the figures "talk," especially R2 (I could never get the figures to interact with each other like the cards described). Hasbro had the problem improved with the 2nd gen. surfboard shaped chips with more capacity but they crapped out on them in favor of the useless Force Files. I was waiting for the extended POTF2 CTC waves but Hasbro had to switch to that awful POTJ line.

sith_killer_99
11-26-2005, 11:01 PM
Yeah! Especially things like....Rocket-Launching Boba Fett

LOL

Just don't let any vintage colletors hear you say that. LOL

The ones that always got me were the stupid "Quick-Draw" mechanical type features built into the figures themselves.:(

But as for "pack-ins" I have no use to them. The Freeze Frames were OK, but who really used them?!?! CommTech was only good for one thing...figure stands.

If I were going to ask for any kind of "pack-in" it would be figure stands. Hasbro seems to have gone that direction lately...starting with the tail end of the Saga line going through the OTC and right through the ROTS line. Any other pack-in is a waste.

Kidhuman
11-26-2005, 11:45 PM
I leave em MOC now anyways, so it doesnt matter.

samskull
12-05-2005, 11:17 AM
The best pack-ins you can have are stands and accessories....that work. Or a major prop...ala the Deluxe Saga line....though calling it a pack-in won't get you a discount on the figure.

The best STAND ever was the one with Handstand Luke even though it more or less turned him into a statue. It served the ultimate purpose of recreating a scene directly from the move. And how cool is it to set Yoda on Luke's feet and give Luke the Heat-meiser hairdo head.

General Reikkan's warplan screne was awesome. The Snowtroopers firing cannon was cool and functional.

I'd say the Cantina Bar Sections were great...except that the stools were just a stupid idea...that's about how "scene accurate" Hasbro likes to get these days. And we never got a U-section or the dispenser! Maybe they plan to draw-out that marketing strategy for the next ten years...along with three more renditions of POTF Ponda Baba or Dr. Evezan (hey, he needs even skinnier legs!) or an even more soiled Wuher...maybe it's more PC to have a black bartender than a ugly, fat white guy? I'm surprised they didn't mistakenly pack-in a Bea Arthur fugure since they like slipping in those Holiday Special characters here and there.

The AT-RT trooper's Firing blaster rifle is about as fun and sensible as Attack R5-D4 was. Just when you think we're making progress...

Now we will get for our dollars Hologram figure pack-ins! When did you see a holographic image in the films of Han running around with his blaster drawn or the Emperor with his lightsaber blazing?! "Slammo!"

Next Hasbro will want to pack-in pieces of figures (aka Marvel Legends) so you can build an exclusive Jar Jar Binks figure...."Man, I have two heads and only one leg!"

JawaJoe
12-05-2005, 05:12 PM
Next Hasbro will want to pack-in pieces of figures (aka Marvel Legends) so you can build an exclusive Jar Jar Binks figure...."Man, I have two heads and only one leg!"

Hahahaha. I was thinking the same thing.

DarkArtist
12-08-2005, 03:33 PM
Next Hasbro will want to pack-in pieces of figures (aka Marvel Legends) so you can build an exclusive Jar Jar Binks figure...."Man, I have two heads and only one leg!"[/QUOTE]


That would be a good idea if they were droid pieces and we were getting some kind of jawa droid shop or something. Build your own droid, similiar to the 70's droid factory.

Lord Malakite
12-12-2005, 03:16 AM
Like kidhuman I'm a MOC collector so to me it doesn't really make a difference, but if I were to choose one pack-in as my favorite I would have to say its ironically (and surprisingly) the one everyone has forgotten to mention so far. I would choose the minature 3-D cardboard dioramas that came with the Expanded Universe figures. In my opinion those are probably the best pack-ins (aside from the obvious stands-starting with character specific and working on back) for display purposes.