Geonosis Case Assortment

[Scackmgack]

There may have been other posts on this but I have to vent...

Why is Hasblow so frakking stupid?

Here is how the case assortment should have gone:

Scorch x2
Clone Trooper x2
Sora Bulq x2
Sun Fac x2
Yoda x1
Poggle the Lesser x1
Jango Fett x1
C-3PO x1

I'm not going to go to which figures should not have been produced at all.

WHY does Hasblow DO this? I understand that Poggle was only previously-available through the Separatist 3-pack...so does this mean we are going to have to suffer a San Hill release in the future, as well, to take up more case space?

Don't we have enough Yodas to plug all the holes in the Great Wall of China? Wasn't that Jango Fett figure crappy enough in its first release?

It boggles the mind, it truly does...

[decadentdave]

File this under the "Why are some people never happy" thread. lol

[Scackmgack]

File that reply under the "wit as sharp as a butter knife" thread. :)

Seriously, though - you think the case assortment is fine as is? What excuse does Hasbro have for not learning from the sales of previous clones that they need to pack them in larger amounts?

[Turbowars]

File this under the "Why are some people never happy" thread. lolI know you are half way joking here, but this is a issue to B-tch about. Hasbro must have hired the same A-hole that makes the Assortments for Marvel Legions.

[TheDarthVader]

Yeah, I can't find any clones anywhere. All of the other figures are pretty easy to find though. Here is my assortment:
Scorch x3 all would sell
Clone Trooper x3 all would sell
Sora Bulq x2 great figure
Sun Fac x2 great figure
Yoda x1 i actually needed a good yoda for a scene...so...no complaints here
Poggle the Lesser x0 would not have released
Jango Fett x1 not a horrible choice for the newbies
C-3PO x0 stupid figure, would not have released (i took mine back)

B.
TDV

[Blue2th]

It Poggles my mind too! They must have had people with Lesser intelligence figure that case assortment of figures, Go figure? lol

[El Chuxter]

This is a legit complaint. We have:

1x Scorch (Republic Commando) -- A highly-requested EU figure from one of the best-selling video games ever, and an army builder to boot. Huge mistake.

1x Orange Utapaun Clone Trooper -- Another army-builder, sure to be even more highly sought-after than Scorch since he's crucial in a pivotal scene of ROTS. Even bigger mistake.

1x Sora Bulq -- A minor split-second onscreen character, who spun into a major role as a fallen Jedi in the Clone Wars comics. And a new character that we've been asking for since 2002. Pretty big mistake, too, but not quite on the scale of the army builders. (I can't see kids clamoring to buy him.)

2x Sun Fac -- A one-eyed Geonosian I didn't even know existed until the figure was announced. Two per case seems logical, since he's a new figure. But, uh, aside from the missing eye, what differentiates him from Gerald the Generic Geonosian? Were he a random warrior, he could at least be used to build armies. But who's going to want an army of scarred Geonosians?

2x Poggle the Lesser -- Pretty iffy choice. On the one hand, he's not been available carded. On the other, everyone who wanted him likely got the three-pack. No reason for there to be multiples of him and not the new characters and army builders.

1x Jango Fett -- Pretty logical, if you're going to insist on including the heaviest pegwarmer of AOTC, and the weakest non-Deluxe sculpt of him. A totally new Jango not marred by action features would've been preferable. No Jango in this wave would've been nice, too. But I can see Hasbro's wish to include him since, unlike Mace (who at first seems more logical), there's been no Jango figure for a few years now.

2x C-3PO/Battle Droid -- Variant packaging can't help this turd. This is one of the worst C-3POs ever, only beaten out by the "snap-on plating!" AOTC figure. And he's very scene-specific to a scene that most adults seem to want to forget. C-3PO is pegwarming hard around here, beat out only by. . . .

2x Yoda -- Why? Yoda didn't participate in the actual ground battle, which is what most of this wave is geared toward. And this Yoda, while not a bad figure, was pegwarming with a vengeance four months ago! Did they just want to get rid of all the ROTS pegwarmers, and the others will be showing up on new cards shortly?

Seriously. The case could've been:
4X Utapau Clone Trooper
3X Scorch
2X Sora Bulq
2X Sun Fac
1X Jango Fett

I think everyone, young and old, would've been happy with that.

[Scackmgack]

Thanks for the validation, all. Guess all of us are "never happy," huh? LOL!

I wonder how long this assortment is going to be shipping...I don't think I will army-build with Scorch because I am going to hold out hope that the other three members of the Commando squad will be produced (Hasblow has the mold and they've demonstrated that they love the repaints), but I need at least three more Utaupau Clone Troopers to go with Cody.

I'm just going to have to get used to dragging my *** to the local Target at 8:00 a.m. for the next few weeks...just wish I could get more than one clone at a time...

What also gets me is that any Target near me only has between 4-6 Star Wars figures on the pegs at a time. It is like they get one case per week.

Why do they have EIGHT PEGS set aside for Star Wars figures, then?

[El Chuxter]

One of the Targets near me has twelve pegs of those lame-arse Unleashed Battle Packs. :eek:

[jedibear]

I agree...it does boggle the mind that the two biggest draws in the wave are Scorch & the Utapaun Trooper are only 1 per case! At this rate I'll never see either of 'em up my way...and I was really looking forward to that Trooper. Scorch reminds me of those two EU Trooper entries from several years ago, the DarkTrooper and the Space Trooper...both unique, interesting troopers that as I recall were...1 per case! (And extermely hard to find). Some traditions should just die maybe...(like much sought after Troopers being 1 per case....) The Utapaun Trooper will (hopefully) end up it later assortments in higher numbers (one can dream can't one?) considering that a figure of Commander Cody is one the way and this particular deco of the Trooper is one of the best and Cody's legion to boot (let me guess... the Trooper will join Cody and both will be one per case in THAT wave too, right?), it would be nice if Hasbro kind of flooded the cases with 'em for awhile..believe me, they'll sell...
Sora Bulq is a good addition...very posable, great looking jedi figure as well as a nice (if probably unintentional) nod to the EU here with him playing a significant role in the (now-defunct) "Republic" comic series...definately deserves more than one per case.
I don't mind the addition of Poggle the Lesser here...but one per case of this guy would have been fine...it's funny...he's the telltale (pegwarming) sign that I've missed the rare appearence of this wave up my way. It's an interesting character, but this re-issue doesn't offer any major improvements (like a radical redeco) to warrant flooding the pegs with him.
Sun Fac is actually a cool surprise...a solid, well-crafted, well-detailed, good articulated figure of a character (from a deleted scene no less!) that reminds me of some of the POTJ entries. Jeditricks gave this guy a good review a few days back and deservedly so. But I can already see some confusion on the pegs to the average shopper...he and Poggle look so alike in appearance and similair cardbacks that this guy may get passed up alot...which is too bad...I want to encourage Hasbro to continue putting out such well-done figures as this...
As for the Jango Fett re-issue...it may not be the best version of him to throw back out there (I actually think the sneak-preview version was better), at 1-per-case, I can see anyone who just joined collecting going for it. (I haven't seen him yet.)
Yoda probably didn't need a re-issue so soon after ROTS but he is a main character so we should expect to see him out there...but judging from the fact he's joining Poggle on the pegwarming front, 1 per case might have done it.
Ah, alas poor Threepio...to re-issue this character's worst entry (well, Chuxter's right..the "snap-on" one was worse) and not even make an attempt at improving the deco...they just make a packaging variation...is pretty lame. If we were destined to get an AOTC release of this character, I would have preferred a re-deco'd ROTS version of him with his patina-riddled, beat-up plating he had on Tatooine...

I think Chuxter's version of this wave would have been better...
4X Utapau Clone Trooper
3X Scorch
2X Sora Bulq
2X Sun Fac
1X Jango Fett (but a better version)

On "paper" this themed wave had some real promise...and I'm sure it will perform well for the retailers (those who get it anyways)...but I wish Hasbro would reconsider these wacky, re-issue-heavy waves they're putting out and put an emphasis on the new figures...

[timmae]

can't believe how fast c3po and jango repack flew off the pegs. hey hasbro, repack the shmi's, neo's and ketwols too. i look a lot and really find almost everything. have yet to see scorch or utapau. have yet to spot vader still (not that i want it):mad:

[Blackened88]

Read JMS's thread on Army Building Sets in Dear Hasbro, that will tell you everything that should be done but isnt.

[stad]

Well, both of the clones are supposed to be carried over in the next wave, with 2 each then. Why on earth they didn't ship initially at 2 per, and then 1 (or 2) per in the carry over, I'll never know. Sometimes, I think the entire marketing department (at least boys toys) needs to be fired, just over how poorly they market Star Wars and GI Joe. It's a disgrace.

[Darth Cruel]

You guys need to stop stressing the Utapau Clones. I posted a breakdown of the first 13 case assortments (of which we only have 8 so far) and the Utapau Clone has more slots than Darth Vader (Darth Vader has 14 and the clone has 15). Now think about this...that means (assuming that all cases are delivered in equal numbers) that by the end of wave 4, 1 out of every 10 figures that get hung on the pegs will have been an Utapau clone, and that is inclusive of everything from the 2006 Saga line that has already been gone through. The Utapau Clones that have already been released represent the tip of the iceburg. There are TONS more of them coming. The wave they belong in hasn't even started to ship yet and probably wont for another 3 weeks to a month.

I can't believe these things are still selling for 15 to 20 dollars at Frank-n-Scalpers.

[Kidhuman]

Not all stores get in the revisions. The usually get 4-5 cases of somehting from that wave. Some stores in busier areas get more to which some places get that amount or less.

[Darth Cruel]

Not all stores get in the revisions. The usually get 4-5 cases of somehting from that wave. Some stores in busier areas get more to which some places get that amount or less.

True dat!

But I am still not worried as the Utapau Clone is spread around different assortments enough to cover that probability. In fact, from what I see on this forum, there are a fairly large number of people finding the Utapau Clones relative to how many are being released in the one case assortment that they are available in right now. And I expect fully that the number that will be released with wave 4 will satiate nearly all of the collector's appetites for them. Even my troop-building desires!

[Turbowars]

I'm thinking the wave 4 revisions might be shipped in higher #'s because of the silver chase figures. There's 5 different cases in the wave and there are 10 Chase figures so 2 per case. Anyways within these 5 cases there will be a total of 9 Clones. Case 4.2 only has one. Even with this being said I still don't think the Clone will be easy to score, unless you are the only one at the store. The Chase figures will be just about impossible to find too.

[TheDarthVader]

I'm thinking the wave 4 revisions might be shipped in higher #'s because of the silver chase figures. There's 5 different cases in the wave and there are 10 Chase figures so 2 per case. Anyways within these 5 cases there will be a total of 9 Clones. Case 4.2 only has one. Even with this being said I still don't think the Clone will be easy to score, unless you are the only one at the store. The Chase figures will be just about impossible to find too.

I totally agree with you. The clones will still be hard to find, and the chase figures are going to be a PITA. Yes, hunting figures this year is going to suck.

B.
TDV

[jedi master sal]

Read JMS's thread on Army Building Sets in Dear Hasbro, that will tell you everything that should be done but isnt.

Thanks. I appreciate the vote of confidence.



Seriously. The case could've been:
4X Utapau Clone Trooper
3X Scorch
2X Sora Bulq
2X Sun Fac
1X Jango Fett

I think everyone, young and old, would've been happy with that.

That's a great case breakdown.

I think I've partially figured out why Hasbro limits these in cases now.

• By reissuing them in later waves, it keeps us coming back for more
• Those that missed a particular figure the first time have a chance later.
• Were the pegs to clog with this figure, they wouldn't be able to sell new cases until the other figs sell down.

These make sense from Hasbro's perspective, however they KNOW we are going to keep coming back regardless. I keep suggesting that they should sell them in 5 or 10 packs. LESS cardboard and printing saves them (And us) money. They could sell those through their own website and eliminate the middle man, again giving themselves more profit.

Bah, I'll just keep going on and on about these though. Hasbro should know by now what they should do with army builders. Pleasing the fanbase may not be their top priority, but making money is and if we keep telling them, "Hey we'll by 10-20 army builders, if you ship them in higher quantities," then I can hardly see why they wouldn't want to do just that.

I've seen on various sites where collectors are dropping off Hasbro stuff and going for the mid-high level collectibles.

Why is that you think? One big reason is that they can't find what they want or in the amount they want them. We only need to look at collecting forums to back this up. Plus the chatter on Hasbro stuff has gone down a bit on most of the major SW collecting sites.

If Hasbro doesn't cash in now while there IS still a fanbase, then I think they are going to see a HUGE drop off of customers for SW products inside of 2 years. I for one am getting REAL tired of making monster toy runs (hitting 10 stores at a time, traveling 40+ miles) only to come up with nothing. Heck, if I sent them a bill for the gas I have to spend looking for their stuff...well that's another gripe.

For once I wih they'd make it just a bit easier to get this stuff. Yes for me army builders, but all the figures in general.


Not all stores get in the revisions. The usually get 4-5 cases of somehting from that wave. Some stores in busier areas get more to which some places get that amount or less.

And therein lies the problem with us wanting to get stuff NOW. We just don't KNOW if we'll ever see this stuff again. And because that has happened to most of us and on more than one occassion, we are VERY gunshy about letting things slip by and DO get miffed when it's been apparent that a new case has been sotcked only to have the most desired figs sell out, leaving the "garbage."


The clones will still be hard to find, and the chase figures are going to be a PITA.

B.
TDV

Heh heh, I thought I was the only one who used that term "PITA." Glad to know there is another.

Okay, I'm done for a bit...
-Sal

[Darth Cruel]

Heh heh, I thought I was the only one who used that term "PITA." Glad to know there is another.

I guess there are three of us. I started way back when "Fajita Pita" was a popular sandwich at some fast food joint back in the late eighties. I was in the Marines at the time and everything was an acronym. I just happened to be looking at a window painted with "pita" when I was thinking that something (I don't remember what) was a P--- I- T-- A--. And it never really left me alone after that.

[tagmac]

I met with similar disappointment today. First time in Target in over a week, and I was "thrilled" to find about 10 each of Derlin and Veers, 2 Yoda's, 2 Poggles, and 3 Sun Faq's. No clones, of course. Also met with equal disappointment, finding that Sora Bulq switched from "coming soon" to "out of stock" to "available" on the Hasbro web site, with all others from the wave also available EXCEPT the clone and Scorch. Makes me believe the real reason that sold so fast was army builders buying 10+ each of the clone, cuz all the other figures are still available. And true that to the fear that those future case variants might not make it to the shelves - the 501st Clone was in two case variants, and yet few people ever found it at retail. Why should the Utapau clone be any different? the only positive to it appearing in so many different variants is the possibility that in a few months it'll be more affordable on ebay.

[Darth Cruel]

the 501st Clone was in two case variants, and yet few people ever found it at retail. Why should the Utapau clone be any different? the only positive to it appearing in so many different variants is the possibility that in a few months it'll be more affordable on ebay.

Simple - Like I stated before - the Utapau clone will be out in much larger numbers when the wave it is supposed to be in hits the shelves. Why is everybody so pessimistic about a figure that is on a limited advanced release. Calm down. The Utapau Clone is getting roughly 7 1/2 times the number of slots in the case assortments that the 501st Clone had. There will be lots of them.


Scorch, on the other hand...

[Turbowars]

Simple - Like I stated before - the Utapau clone will be out in much larger numbers when the wave it is supposed to be in hits the shelves. Why is everybody so pessimistic about a figure that is on a limited advanced release. Calm down. The Utapau Clone is getting roughly 7 1/2 times the number of slots in the case assortments that the 501st Clone had. There will be lots of them.


Scorch, on the other hand...They wont come out it too much more of #'s. The most a case will have at a time is 2. There's a huge Clone craze right now and it's been around for awhile. I mean I know Stormy's have always been popular, but ever since the SA Clone Wars Clone came out collectors have gone nuts. I'm not worried about finding these clones anymore, because I have another source and it takes all the frustration out of Store hunting. To be honest if I continued going to stores for these figures I would end up beating someone down. I have a personality that I will take BS only for so long and then I will snap. I have never taken it too far, but as I get older it's getting worse. To manage this anger I play paint ball on the weekends with my boss and co workers, it takes the edge off.

[Darth Cruel]

They wont come out it too much more of #'s. The most a case will have at a time is 2. There's a huge Clone craze right now and it's been around for awhile. I mean I know Stormy's have always been popular, but ever since the SA Clone Wars Clone came out collectors have gone nuts. I'm not worried about finding these clones anymore, because I have another source and it takes all the frustration out of Store hunting. To be honest if I continued going to stores for these figures I would end up beating someone down. I have a personality that I will take BS only for so long and then I will snap. I have never taken it too far, but as I get older it's getting worse. To manage this anger I play paint ball on the weekends with my boss and co workers, it takes the edge off.

TW - You may be right, but I am betting that the Utapau clones will end up being easy to find with the exception of the places where it is normally tough to find ANY figure.

Edit - And here is something to compare the numbers to:

The #41 Clone had 7 slots in around 25 case assortments (compared to 15 slots in 15 case assortments for the Utapau repaint) during ROTS. Now, I heard he came out later in solid cases, but even if that is true...I didn't see a lot of posts before that of people having anything worse than moderate difficulty finding that one. AND there is nothing saying that the Utapau clone won't see more slots (MAYBE even solid cases if the #41 story is true) in later assortments that have not yet been announced.

[tagmac]

This just burns me up! I go to kbtoys.com and they have the orange clone available. I immediately order one, go through the process of completing my order, which took about a minute, and just when I pres "complete order", it tells me it "sold out while it was in your cart." :upset:

You'd think sometihng in the computer would keep something from being sold to someone else while you're in the process of compelting your order, just like Ticketmaster gives you that window of a couple of minutes. I am seriously considering never ordering from that store again if that's the way it's gonna be. Keeping my fingers crossed that I'll eventually find it at retail here in jersey, where figures like that are usually tough to find thanks to the three scalpers that case the stores in my area daily. :mad:

[General_Grievous]

I just wish there were more Utapau clones and Soras. I've only been able to find Sun Fac and C3PO. And if all the EU figures will be shortpacked like Scorch, then I officially quit collecting EU figures. More for you guys, I guess. :)

[jedi master sal]

I just wish there were more Utapau clones and Soras. I've only been able to find Sun Fac and C3PO. And if all the EU figures will be shortpacked like Scorch, then I officially quit collecting EU figures. More for you guys, I guess. :)

not MUCH more at only 1 per case, sigh...

[Darth Cruel]

Utapau clones are starting to hang on pegs longer here. Not warming the pegs yet (I AM troop-building with them so it will be a while before I let them warm the pegs) but I am able to find some hanging where Cody and Scorch have been snatched. Is anybody still having trouble finding them?

[LTBasker]

I'm actually having trouble with the majority of the Geonosis wave. I've yet to see the Utapau Clone, Scorch, Jango, 3PO (either version) or Yoda. Yet I've found the Geonosis wave 3-4 times with the other figures and they were in plenty supply, didn't seem like left-overs.

[JawaJoe]

the 501st Clone was in two case variants, and yet few people ever found it at retail

Really makes ya wonder where the 501st clones in the toys r us 2 packs came from. Just last week I saw 5 of em, first time I ever saw that clone at toys r us.

[timmae]

just missed the clones at target today. someone got the chase figures. target and walmart are just too far out of my way around here. just got to depend on kb, tru, and the net. just preordered a case from ee. at least i'll get 2 chase figs.

[stad]

I found 24 of the Utapau Clonetroopers this weekend between TN and SC. Of course, after I handed them out, I'm down to only 6, but I'm still overall happy. I also found a couple Cody's, Scorch's, and silver UGH figures as well. Too bad I don't have more road trips like that coming up in the immediate future!

[Scackmgack]

No love from the Utaupau clones, Scorch, or Cody here in Boston.

Seriously, it seems like Boston figure availability is at an all-time low. I don't get it. We're one of the wealthiest states in the Union, with more discretionary income to spend that most. I KNOW the figures sell - so why aren't stores getting case after case after case after case...

[jedibear]

Utapau clones are starting to hang on pegs longer here. Not warming the pegs yet (I AM troop-building with them so it will be a while before I let them warm the pegs) but I am able to find some hanging where Cody and Scorch have been snatched. Is anybody still having trouble finding them?

Where are you finding these? In answer to your question...YES! I've yet to see a Cody, a Scorch, an Utapaun Clone or a Jango on the pegs in my area. The Geonosis wave appeared ONCE at our area KB and the three aforementioned figures were long gone. None of the other retailers in my area have got 'em yet (or if they disappeared before/between my rounds)