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jedi-cpa
01-23-2002, 10:49 AM
The "unleashed" name sounds like they Gen Y, WWF pay-per view inspired marketing, not a bad way to go to sell a toy I guess, but...

Are these toys or sculptures? They are interesting. But Why? I don't really get these toys at all.

And Darth Maul? Aren't we moving forward into EpII here? Are we going to get ep II packaging with Ep I figs? Like back in the day of the ROTJ Hammerhead?

Who is at the head of the ship over there in RI and what is their strategy? THese, I have a feeling are going to sit on the shelves, and I'll be able to buy for $2.99.

Darth Ludicrous
01-23-2002, 10:54 AM
Good to see Hasbro has learned from the great success of the Epic Force and Mega Action Figure Lines...I'll look forward to buying these for on clearance $1.97 a pop in January 2003.

It's times like these I wish there was a vomiting smilie.

Lord Tenebrous
01-23-2002, 11:14 AM
Hasbro will never, ever, learn.... :(

JetsAndHeels
01-23-2002, 11:32 AM
I may be alone here, but I think these pieces look pretty damn good. Although Darth Maul is not the new kid on the block anymore, he still is by far one of the most popular characters. The Jango and Boba look pretty good too. If they aren't too expensive I will definately add these to my collection.

JetsAndHeels
01-23-2002, 11:40 AM
You dont think these look pretty good? It is definately a different take on the Maul. I will probably get them if they cost too much.

JetsAndHeels
01-23-2002, 11:41 AM
Correction:
I will probably get them if they do NOT cost too much.

JEDIpartner
01-23-2002, 11:47 AM
Okay... I think these hardly classify as "Toys" or even really sculptures. I don't really identify that thing that Maul is doing as an "electrifying moment" from TPM. Besides, I can't really make heads or tails out of that "Twizlers Ballet" Maul... what the HECK! :eek: Gotta love the sculpting on that "Not Without My Child" Jango Fett! Whoo! That's some serious playability there! I can't wait to get these! With the Maul one you could, er- ummm... or uhhhh... "Auntie Em! Toto! It's a twister!!!" Okay so there's not a lot you can do with the Maul one. At least with the Jango one you could... ahhhh... you could... erhm... Well... I suppose you could buy TWO of the Jango thingies and use them as bookends, a paperweight or a napkin holder or something.

JEDIpartner
01-23-2002, 11:49 AM
Puke and barf.

mabudonicus
01-23-2002, 11:54 AM
Where is this unleashed business everyone's referring to? Please let me know- I wanna laugh too!

InsaneJediGirl
01-23-2002, 11:57 AM
Orginally Posted by JEDIPartnr
Well... I suppose you could buy TWO of the Jango thingies and use them as bookends, a paperweight or a napkin holder or something.

Good idea :evil: But I would wait until they went on clearance.
I dont know why Hasbro came out with these!

SirSteve
01-23-2002, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by mabudon
Where is this unleashed business everyone's referring to? Please let me know- I wanna laugh too!

http://www.starwars.com/collecting/news/2002/01/news20020123.html

mabudonicus
01-23-2002, 12:36 PM
They sure are.......interesting, alright. I really don't know what to take from these. jediPartnr already took care of the jokes(lol !) sooo, there's not much else to say. Does this "new direction", bringing us characters "at their rawest", give anyone else here a real BAD feeling? I mean, if hasbro isn't listening to us(at least not like they could-the poses on most of the AOTC stuff proves that), and they obviously don't care about sales(as a few posts have pointed out about the dismal epic force line), what the HECK are they basing decisions on now? I would say a magic 8ball, but I wouldn't want to offend magic 8balls in any way, so what gives? Are they saying that for one fans choice figure a year, we'd better pony up and buy a whole bunch of JUNK we don't even WANT for fear of the whole thing disappearing due to lack of INTEREST? Sorry, but I'm kinda browned off about this stuff. I gotta go outside and swear.

2-1B
01-23-2002, 12:37 PM
Wow, Hasbro really likes to put Jango in that crouching pose!

JEDIpartner
01-23-2002, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Caesar
Wow, Hasbro really likes to put Jango in that crouching pose!

"Crouching Jango, Hidden Boba"

Darth Ludicrous
01-23-2002, 01:00 PM
I think I liked it better when Star Wars figures were leashed.

InsaneJediGirl
01-23-2002, 01:13 PM
Orginally Posted by Darth Ludicrous
I think I liked it better when Star Wars figures were leashed.

LOL

Is it me or does Darth Maul looks like hes the new lead role
for a bad re-make of "Gone with the Wind"?

jedi-cpa
01-23-2002, 01:27 PM
I like the napkin holder idea, crouching tiger hidden boba, very funny. .:D

I think unleashed is actually not the name of the design, but the name of the reaction Hasbro is going to get from the fans.

bigbarada
01-23-2002, 02:03 PM
"Twizzlers ballet" lol, JediPartner!

I would give everyone my true feelings about this Unleashed business; but I'm not allowed to say those words in this forum.:rolleyes:

speedermike
01-23-2002, 02:05 PM
Well, on the Official Site, they stae that these are "sculptures". I think it's encouraging that Hasbro knows that these are not "toys".

And since they are not toys, I'm not even going to bother having an opinion of them. They're so far off my interest radar that they don't even register.

I find it very sad that Hasbro feels that they have to follow the market with stuff like this, instead of being innovative, and leading the market with great toys...

chewie
01-23-2002, 02:18 PM
Isn't this just epic force part 2?

Maul looks like a comic book drawing turned 3D, which is NEVER a good thing.

Pellaeon
01-23-2002, 02:19 PM
Well, I don't really have much to add here. I would like to reiterate the "they aren't listening to us" them of this thread.

The ONLY thing I can think that Hasbro is trying to do here is to get a whole new generation interested in the toys by increasing the scale. But again, these are statues, and aren't playable, and as others have pointed out, similar toys have failed, and I agree, these will fail as well. Hey, K-Mart didn't listen to its customers, no reason Hasbro has to either.

In a recession, it's a good practice to FOCUS on your core profit items. Speaking for myself (and likely others here), from a SW toy line that would be the 3-3/4" figures and vehicles, and secondly the 12" figure line.

Beast
01-23-2002, 02:26 PM
I agree, I'm not to intrested in these myself. I disliked the Epic Force line with a passion, while these do look much better they are still statues. I may pick up the Boba Fett and Jango Fett one to sit on my computer, but other wise I really have no intrest in the line.

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

Lord Malakite
01-23-2002, 02:45 PM
So what do you guys think about this series? :confused: When I look at this series the "Epic Force" line seems to stand out. Obviously these pieces look extremely good for model dioramas and I wouldn't mind getting them, but overall I think this line will fail miserably do to the lack of playability. Hasbro should of learned this lesson when the "Epic Force" figures failed. I guess they're just crazy. :crazed:

Darth Evil
01-23-2002, 02:49 PM
Like you said, nice models, though I won't rush out to get them.

derek
01-23-2002, 03:53 PM
well, this is one line, i surely won't be buying. even at clearance. is darth maul ice skating?

JonoFett
01-23-2002, 03:56 PM
The Darth Maul unleashed...whatever...clearly demonstrates olympic prowess in the gymnastics floor section with the swirling ribbons. Utter pants to that one. Jango and Boba look good, although why the young clone needs shielding from an 'enemy' with a lightsaber is another matter.

Future releases (perhaps)

Deceased Vader and grieving Luke
Chewie throttling Lando on Bespin
Han in torture apparatus - see that pain!
Strangulation of Jabba

Food for thought:D

Pellaeon
01-23-2002, 03:59 PM
I for one, would like to meet the guy (or gal) who came up with this brilliant product line, not to mention the others who must have been coerced into producing it. IF the guy is lucky, he will get a severance once this line flops, or he/she may just plain get fired.

Darth Ovori
01-23-2002, 04:15 PM
When will Hasbro just follow the other toy companies. If they want to expand into different lines, then just make regular posed, basic articulation, 6" inch figures with high detail...

SithDroid
01-23-2002, 04:23 PM
LOL JediPartnr "Crouching Jango, Hidden Boba."

I have no interest in these figures/statues. I agree with the Epic Force line as well. It seems like the same thing and those sat on the shelves as well. If the collectors aren't interested in this, then what makes Hasbro think that kids will be? "Hey look mom, a statue, just what I've always wanted. I could use it as a bookend, a doorstopper, a paperweight, a hood ornament, the possibilities are endless!" Come on Hasbro, start listening to the fans. If they don't want it, then don't make it. Perhaps I'll pick these up when they are on clearance for $1.99.

Jargo
01-23-2002, 04:23 PM
I just figured out why jango is always crouching, he's giving birth to little Boba clones all the time. No seriously - is boba coming from where the sun don't shine? he isn't hiding he's emerging.

I'd like to take a big stick and wrap it round the heads of the hasbro execs who agreed to this line being produced and then I'd like to take my big stick and wrap it round the heads of those lovely people at Lucas licensing who gave the ok to this pile of ****** ******* *** **** ***** ******* ******** ******* ******** ******* ****** ***** *** ** ***** !!!!!!! rubbish.


Doorstoppers, bookends, paperweights, ashtrays - these aren't toys so what is a toy company making them for? Oh, sorry. I completely forgot about the 'emerging teen market' Dear god what have we done to deserve being treated like halfwits and fools? What emerging teen market Hasbro? Where are they? the people who were emerging when you planned these turkeys and who may have bought them are all grown up now and can't be arsed with such trash anymore. Name me one teen who is emerging who would actually gain enjoyment from owning one of these abominations? name one I challenge you. You sorry arsed losers. Sign your own death warrant why don't you. Stupid lame brained gimmicks are really gonna win friends and influence people aren't they? Just look at the response here and at other message boards and listen for christs sake.

I mourn the passing of the Hasbro star wars branding....... may it rest in peace. :zzz:

bigbarada
01-23-2002, 04:25 PM
Darth Ovori, while I wouldn't support Hasbro upping the size of the figures to 6", the whole reason the figures are only 3 3/4" is so they can fit into low-priced vehicles and playsets. However, if Hasbro plans on making nothing but splayed limbed figures that cannot fit into any vehicles and on top of that only release the occasional vehicle then the whole point of smaller figures is kind of lost.

Don't worry, I feel your pain, Jargo.

JEDIpartner
01-23-2002, 04:30 PM
The 3 3/4" line was something that has been a STAR WARS mainstay since day one and to kill off the scale would pretty much be absurd (considering we are down to the last 2 films in the saga). You currently have hundereds of the 3 3/4" figures on display and suddenly... BAM! 6" figures. The collection would have a very hodgepodge look to it, which is... what really concerns me about the new figures. The just don't mesh well with the previous lines.

6" figures with good detailing is fine as long as that is what you introduced the line as. I suppose they COULD do a sub-collection of a few core characters in the 6" scale, but I think it would die a rather horrid death. Hasbro, even at this time, has its fingers in way too many pies and that is where they are failing. They should work on the existing lines without trying to develop another... it's too much of a distraction and none of the lines fulfills what the consumer is looking for.

It seems that all the products are blurring together needlessly. The basic collection is carrying some of the attributes that should be afforded the deluxe lines (i.e.- the magnets in the hands and action arms as well as the crazy poses). The "Unleashed" line is another mess in it's own right. It is sporting the current "crazy poses" while making them into statues or display pieces. Meanwhile... there is the Deluxe line that seems to have the traits of BOTH lines. It seems that no one at Hasbro could decide what specific (an limited) criteria each line should adhere to. I'll put my finger down now and get off the soapbox. I've kept it warm for anyone else who'd like to have a go at it.

**

Now that I've posted this... I see Jargo was also composing his own rant at the same time as I!

LTBasker
01-23-2002, 04:44 PM
I think it's Hasbro trying to compete with Attakus, and they'll probably cost twice as much. :rolleyes:

I doubt these would even show up on clearance, even TRU might not want them! :D

Btw, is it just me, or does it look like Maul's head is in the wrong place? He looks like he is doing an impression of the T-1000 from the very end of T2...

Wolfwood319
01-23-2002, 05:03 PM
Bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad.

So long Hasbro, and thanks for all the fish!

Mandalorian Candidat
01-23-2002, 06:31 PM
Sniff, sniff...

Is that a pegwarmer I smell?

:confused: :eek: :( :dead:

Darth Ovori
01-23-2002, 06:52 PM
No, no don't get me wrong... I too enjoy the small scale cause of the vehicles...

However besides the point that a 3 3/4" sometimes costs more than 7" more detailed figure... I would like regular posed figures of the characters in 6" to 7" inch form... Cause I collect various other toy lines of that scale...

With the new AOTC, I just hate the fact that the new pose is all this dynamic stuff, which limits the pose or vehicle use...

Look already at that preview Jango, useless with the new Slave-1...

And now onto the other point is that Hasbro is always trying to expand thier lines into various scales... but why in hell can't they bloody get it right... Epic, had great potentail and they just stand there... now its Unleashed (which sounds like a porno title for a Jenna Jameson flick) and yet agian there stand there with little enjoyment!!!

I wish this dynamic era would end soon and go back to basic, and not only Hasbro, others too...

mark2d2
01-23-2002, 07:11 PM
Hate to jump on the Bash Hasbro bandwagon here -- but this line just baffles me. I genuinely DO NOT understand what they are thinking. As everyone has said, the other six inch line --- what was it called? Epic? Just flat out tanked. Who is going to buy these things? Seriously, I simply don't get it.

And why do they insist on putting ALL the 3 3'4 inch in such ridiculously silly poses when they are getting to create these ultra-posed statues?

Ugh. If the movie is as bad as these figures -- I may just have to only by the droid figures. And be done with it. All the new ALIENS suck. Damn. Suddenly, I'm very depressed.

bigbarada
01-23-2002, 07:29 PM
I've been a little disappointed by the alien designs in Ep2 myself. Most of what we've seen seems to be just a variation of previous aliens from the OT or other films (Kaminoans=Close Encounters aliens, Aklay=Starship Troopers bugs). What happened to the super cool and totally original designs we saw in the OT? Aliens like Amanaman, Hammerhead, Ephant Mon, Jabba, etc were unmistakably Star Wars in their originality and design.

mark2d2
01-23-2002, 08:25 PM
off the subject ---- HAMMERHEAD WAS SO COOL.

My big idea to save episode I was to have replaced the gunguns (even the name is stupid and the irony that the gunguns don't even use guns was way too cute and cloying) with HAMMERHEADS. Instead of goofy and poop obsessed -- we'd have gotten a moody much quiet sidekick. Along the lines of Chewbacca.

All the new aliens are just wierd for the sake of being wierd. Just because you can make something in CGI doesn't mean it will be cool. Each and every podracer was just plain goofy looking.

Where is Walrus Man when I need him!?! Or Greedo. These new Aliens all look like rejected Star Trek designs.

chewie
01-23-2002, 08:31 PM
What I've noticed is the PT is full of small, lizard-like cgi aliens. Nothing furry, feathery, or anything else to be seen. Larger size creatures were also lizards (gungans and their animals).

mabudonicus
01-23-2002, 09:05 PM
Yeah, when I was a kid, hammerhead was pretty much my overall favourite. If a creature has to be humanoid, at least bust up the geometry a bit, you know? Don't just stretch one body part out(like a.sings stupid hands), or give a guy a bony forehead and no nose. A couple of them guys is okay, but guys like HH (and later ree yees) beat the straight up "spiffy human" aliens anyday. Notice how eager this thread is to forget the "unleashed"
line? I thought these announcements were s'posed to get us excited.............

stillakid
01-23-2002, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by JEDIpartnr
The 3 3/4" line was something that has been a STAR WARS mainstay since day one and to kill off the scale would pretty much be absurd (considering we are down to the last 2 films in the saga). You currently have hundereds of the 3 3/4" figures on display and suddenly... BAM! 6" figures. The collection would have a very hodgepodge look to it, which is... what really concerns me about the new figures. The just don't mesh well with the previous lines.



If you place the 3 3/4" figures close to the edge of the shelf, then place the new 6" figures about 3 feet behind and add a bit of stretched nylon to "fade them away," they'll all look the same size. :rolleyes:

bigbarada
01-23-2002, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by mabudon
Notice how eager this thread is to forget the "unleashed"
line? I thought these announcements were s'posed to get us excited.............

Hammerhead rocked!!:D

jedi-cpa
01-23-2002, 10:11 PM
don't get me wrong, I was merely making the point that hammerhead appeared in ROTJ packaging even though he was not in that movie, as it appears Darth maul is going to end up in episode II packaging.

And as an aside, I know this isn't a resculpt thread, but I thought the POTF 2 hammerhead really was an AWESOME redo. I like my original, but the redo was well worth it.

Beast
01-23-2002, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by jedi-cpa
don't get me wrong, I was merely making the point that hammerhead appeared in ROTJ packaging even though he was not in that movie, as it appears Darth maul is going to end up in episode II packaging.

There is no such thing as Episode II packaging, all the cards and packaging will be the generic blue backing cards we have seen already. On the action figures atleast, there is a cardboard insert on the front of the cards that has a charecter photo, the charecters name, and what movie they appeared in. I assume the same can be said for any other generic packaging. From what I understand the back of the card will not be as generic as the front, it will feature a blurb talking about what movie the charecter appeared in as well as the figure and three others displayed. (See the backs of the FX-7 asst. for an example)

MTFBWY and HH!!

Jar Jar Binks

LTBasker
01-24-2002, 12:06 AM
The Unleashed line aka: Gen-Y, didn't Hasbro say was supposed to appeal to the Teenage generation? Well I'm 15 and I ain't impressed. :D

The last 6" line hardly had 3 figures to it... One figure that was wanted to complete the collection was canceled along with the third figure hardly getting out anywhere... they had articulation to them and they hardly sold, they were fairly detailed... and NOW, they want to release PURE statues in the wierdest poses! Ok, now if their last 6" line didn't sell and they were really TOYs for a TOY line, how are statues gonna sell in a toy line? Honestly, you'd think with all that money Hasbro is getting from us they could afford and frickin' clue. :rolleyes:

yaddle yodas love pu
01-24-2002, 08:16 AM
I will not buy these. They are just statutes, and I have enough with squatting figures already. I like the 3 3/4" and 12" action figures, but Ive never bought the epic force or 6" line, and I will not pick up these.

JediTricks
01-24-2002, 10:17 AM
I wish I could say I am surprised by this, but Hasbro hasn't been impressing me lately with their wisdom in the upcoming SW line, so this seems to fit in with my low view of them.

"Unleashed - get 'em now before they fill up your local stores and take up space that could be given to a toy that might actually had a chance to sell."

I'd be really surprised if this line did any business, I foresee Epic Force levels of sales, maybe even lower. I feel badly for the poor Hasbro chap who has to try to talk retailers into ordering these at Toy Fair.

The thing that catches my eye the most as the "dopiest move yet" is the little blur design on the Maul saber blades... golly, that sure seems like a terrible idea!

jedi-cpa
01-24-2002, 03:16 PM
at their respective places of business:

1) Lead Andersen auditor at Enron
2) The guy at Coors who came up with Zima
3) The "Unleashed" creator at Hasbro
4) The guy at Disney who gave the second round of financing to "Pearl Harbor"
5) The guy who thought Jar Jar Binks 2' dolls and blow up chairs would sell like hot cakes at the local TRU.

LTBasker
01-24-2002, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by JediTricks
be really surprised if this line did any business, I foresee Epic Force levels of sales, maybe even lower. I feel badly for the poor Hasbro chap who has to try to talk retailers into ordering these at Toy Fair.
! [/B]

At least with Epic Force they had a tiny bit of articulation in some the figure to give for a little different pose, but you could also put the figures side by side to form a cool scene or nice display, with these though, they might as well hand the line to PVC, at least then these types things would be expected.

Emperor Howdy
01-26-2002, 12:04 AM
mabudon, dude...the picture with Dio is classic. One of my old drummers met him about 12 years ago and the feakin' picture is the exact same. I guess when you meet him the hand thing simply becomes instinct! :cool: