View Full Version : Is Cody in ANH?

03-27-2006, 07:31 PM
From the 501st war journal in SW: Battlefront II only the 501st remained pure. They were also Vader's personal Legion. When Vader stormed the Tantive IV, he said," Commander tear this ship apart!" Any thoughts?

Sith Lord 0498
03-27-2006, 07:42 PM
As I've not played Battlefront II, I can't be sure of this, but I doubt those could still have been Jango's clones. With the growth acceleration, they'd be quite old by that time. It may be that the 501st is the only legion that is "purely" clonetroopers...albeit a different host. However, recent stories in SW Insider and Vader: The Ultimate Guide have shown Vader personally seeking out new templates. Perhaps he picked the best and made them the 501st.

In any event, Commander Cody would not have been aboard the Tantive IV in Episode IV. Cody is the leader of the 212th Battalion. Commander Appo is the leader of the 501st Legion (as mentioned in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader).

El Chuxter
03-27-2006, 10:15 PM
And Commander Appo is dead, having been beheaded in the very same Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader.

03-27-2006, 10:55 PM
EU garbage he isn't in ANH.

03-28-2006, 03:54 AM
If you just do a simple timeline you'll get this. AOTC is approximately 33 years before ANH the clones at this point were already 10 years old (20 clone years) so by the time ANH comes around that would've made them approx. 40 years old or about 80 clone years old so the answer is no, he was not in ANH. The individual he was talking to was Commander Praji. (http://starwars.wikia.com/images/thumb/4/41/Praji.jpg/800px-Praji.jpg)

03-28-2006, 08:04 AM
ok cool. i'll take a look. forgot that cody headed up a different battalion and forgot the timeline as well. as a note, the 501st war journal mentions that the emperor got sloppy and began experimenting with other types/templates which also explains the ineffciencies of the stormtroopers compared with the precision of the clonetroopers.

Sith Lord 0498
03-29-2006, 05:52 AM
as a note, the 501st war journal mentions that the emperor got sloppy and began experimenting with other types/templates which also explains the ineffciencies of the stormtroopers compared with the precision of the clonetroopers.

Hey, Luke hit it right on the head..."Your overconfidence is your weakness"

Palpatine just got too sure of himself and too secure in his position. He basically became just as pig-headed as the Jedi, which is why he got sucker punched just like they did. :D

03-29-2006, 02:07 PM
I think that by the time Palpatine had seized control, he would have decided that his army had be expanded greatly - which likely lead him to trying out different sources for clones. I'm assuming Kamino was operating at peak capacity, so they likely would have had to pump them out of other facilities as well - and if Kamino was the best place for cloning, the products of other factories wouldn't have been as good. Sacrificing quality for quanitity if you will.

El Chuxter
03-29-2006, 02:16 PM
This question again?

The original clones are all clones of Jango, created on Kamino. They are all, except for Boba, genetically modified to age at twice the normal rate. [From AOTC and some EU sources.]

During the Clone Wars, the Republic seeks additional sources for clones, using Jango's DNA and the DNA of others. The primary source for these additional clones are Spaarti cloning cylinders. These are used very, very rarely, and few (if any) clones see action, but are important in the long run because they are used to create clones of fallen Jedi Master Jorus C'baoth and Palpatine himself. They may also play into the appearance of other clones (such as Vader and Maul) later on. [This from various EU sources, including The New Essential Chronology, The Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, Galaxy of Fear: Clones, and Star Wars Tales.]

After Order 66, Palpatine delivers a speech to the Senate, declaring the Republic is now the Empire and renaming the Clonetroopers Stormtroopers. [This from ROTS and The Star Wars Insider.]

After this point, there is quite a mix of people (all human, all male) under the Stormtrooper armor. There are still original clones of Jango, and more clones of Jango are produced as long as the DNA remains. (One Jango clone, approximately 10 years old, is seen on the Death Star, according to an issue of Star Wars: Empire.) Lucas himself has stated that clones of others are used as well, though the criteria for becoming a donor shifts from actual combat skills to one's ability to kiss Palpatine's butt. And, according to most pre-AOTC sources, there are a lot of non-clone human enlistees and conscripts as well.

Presumably the armor is standardized after the end of the Clone Wars so that, when you see a Stormtrooper, you have no idea what the person is underneath.