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Jargo
05-19-2006, 09:26 AM
Now that Lego has moved into the movie tie in franchise dealio and seems to be doing pretty well out of it. What would you go for as a tie in theme that isn't beyond the reaches of practical achievability?

For me, I've always wanted a James Bond 007 theme. Villains secret bases, cool cars, Q's lab, Submarine HQ with M. Space station, helicoptors (little Nell?)and planes, luxury yacht, Casino. that sort of thing.

Bizarrely, I've always wanted a Lego zoo too. It's a childhood thing, Lego does cool animals and as of now there are plenty that could be used but there are no animals like lions, or tigers, or giraffes. horses could be repainted as zebras, polar bears cast in brown for grizzy bears, dogs painted as hyenas.
it's just something I always felt was missing from the city theme. they've done it in DUPLO but in minifig scale it'd rock.

The Hobbit and Lord of the rings LEGO would have been cool as an add on to the castle theme. Minus Tirith, Minus Morgul, The black gate, Lothlorien, Rivendell, Hobbiton, with the short leg pieces you've got hobbits and Dwarves, they could do a taller leg piece for elves and Sauron. Re-jig the Horntail dragon from Harry Potter and you've got Smaugor the fell beast. It'd be easy to come up with a Shelob and Troll. Even the watcher at the mines of Moria is achievable.
A UCS Oliphaunt would be incredibly cool.

For star wars I'd like a studio set. George lucas, cameraman, Rick McCallum, a bank of monitors, blue/green screen wall...... (I jest)

Annyhoo, just throwing this out there, NON star wars themes. Go wild.

DarkArtist
05-19-2006, 08:29 PM
Let's see.....

I would love a Scooby Doo set, mystery machine, Scooby and the crew. plus as far as villians, re-issue some of the monster sets like dracula's castle, escape the wolfman etc, use the ghosts and skeletons from the castle sets.

Superman: figures could be lois, jimmy, luther, superman, clark, daily planet

Justice League: c'mon a lego Hall of Justice.

Also with the Batman line, a history of the Batmobile series, various design include all the movies, perhaps a 60's TV version, a comic book version, etc.

Jedibill
05-20-2006, 01:17 AM
Battlestar Galactica I think that would be cool new or old series but would perfer new.

mastermatt24
05-20-2006, 05:21 PM
I'd go for starship troopers/roughnecks..
Or even starcraft ones...:lipsrsealed:

stillakid
05-20-2006, 06:27 PM
Playboy Mansion.... Grotto, bedrooms, ballroom...Playmates :dancing banana:

Oh yeah, that would sell!:greedy: :greedy:

James Boba Fettfield
05-20-2006, 06:44 PM
Has Star Trek ever been done in Lego form (or I guess any other block form)?

I don't think it has (but I don't follow the block world), but I'd be down for the ships of Star Trek being done. I'm not much of a playset guy as I like display.

Jargo
05-20-2006, 07:59 PM
the playboy mansion could well tie in with my 007 idea. James does like his ladies.

Has anyone used that 'build your own set' feature on the lego site? well I should say, has anyone downloaded and used the software to design their own set? I tried it and I'll be damned if I can make anything with that. There are no interesting pieces you can use. just boring basic bricks. Very disappointing. I wanted to build a big set but it wouldn't let me.

Jedibill
05-21-2006, 12:04 PM
Has Star Trek ever been done in Lego form (or I guess any other block form)?

I don't think it has (but I don't follow the block world), but I'd be down for the ships of Star Trek being done. I'm not much of a playset guy as I like display.

there is a StarTrek ship in megablocks but just 1 I think.

LusiferSam
05-21-2006, 12:22 PM
Has anyone used that 'build your own set' feature on the lego site? well I should say, has anyone downloaded and used the software to design their own set? I tried it and I'll be damned if I can make anything with that. There are no interesting pieces you can use. just boring basic bricks. Very disappointing. I wanted to build a big set but it wouldn't let me.
That thing is a joke. I looked at it once. Lego supplies the "bricks" for a couple of different "sets." Then you put it together how you like and buy it after that. You're suppose to make what they told the is meant to be. So if the "set" you pick is the car, you are suppose to build a car. Like I said the whole thing is a joke.

I don't really have a "dream theme." The closes I come is I'd really like to see Lego return to it's own themes. I'd love see real Castle and Pirate again.

stillakid
05-21-2006, 01:24 PM
How about these?:

Hobo Theme: A train set complete with some destitute bums with harmonicas as accessories.


Star Trek Nerd Theme: A parent's house with a basement where the nerd lives with his beloved collection of Star Trek memorabilia and posters of Angelina Jolie as Tomb Raider.


Library Theme: A library with thousands of books to inspire kids to sit down and read.

Jargo
05-21-2006, 01:42 PM
Lego is used as a tool to keep minds active. to imbue the builder with a set of problem solving skills and a healthy sense of creativity and imagination. You'll likely find that lego purchasers are kids who do read, who are creative, and have parents who care about nurturing their offspring.
not to mention that lego surreptitiosly teaches math, albeit on a basic level.

which isn't to say i'm getting into a philosophical debate over the merits of lego. Just thought your last comment was a little harsh and misplaced.

JediTricks
05-21-2006, 02:05 PM
Has Star Trek ever been done in Lego form (or I guess any other block form)?

I don't think it has (but I don't follow the block world), but I'd be down for the ships of Star Trek being done. I'm not much of a playset guy as I like display.Mega-Bloks did the TNG Enterprise-D and it came with a horrid Picard mini-figure. It was an awful-looking set with some shell parts and a lot of brick-built areas meant to represent curves.

Trek would be one of my dream-themes, but it'd be a lot of shuttlecrafts and interiors, so it probably would be dull as hell. James Bond might be cool but I picture those 6-wide cars they always make and I cringe at the thought. :p

Transformers or something along those lines would be great, but no halfassed stuff like what Hasbro did with Build-to-Rule where you take the whole thing apart and it still looks like ***.

I'd like a decent line of Robotech-style transforming mechs, LEGO's never really taken the mech thing to its proper conclusion, I've seen a lot of MOCs that do a fantastic job of this.

I'd like to see a future-city with hovercars and vehicles that aren't for exploration or battle, haven't had that in a long time.

stillakid
05-21-2006, 06:59 PM
Lego is used as a tool to keep minds active. to imbue the builder with a set of problem solving skills and a healthy sense of creativity and imagination. You'll likely find that lego purchasers are kids who do read, who are creative, and have parents who care about nurturing their offspring.
not to mention that lego surreptitiosly teaches math, albeit on a basic level.

which isn't to say i'm getting into a philosophical debate over the merits of lego. Just thought your last comment was a little harsh and misplaced.

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't being derogatory toward LEGO's whatsoever, particularly as an alternative to reading. If anything, I'd prefer that my kids sit with LEGO's for hours on end rather than punching buttons on the Gameboy. But they should ALSO spend more time reading. I think I was merely suggesting that perhaps LEGO could promote something useful as opposed to churning out more war toys. The other suggestions are just making fun of people, which is also a popular pasttime. :dancing banana:

figrin bran
05-22-2006, 01:54 AM
Battlestar Galactica I think that would be cool new or old series but would perfer new.

while not exactly lego, minimates of BSG, both original and new series are coming sometime this year.

Kidhuman
05-22-2006, 02:01 AM
AS stated above:

Robotech would be sweet. I would love an SDF-1 and a Veritech Fighter. An Invid would be cool also.

BSG: While I just started watching this show, it does have lots of possibilites

A zoo as EJ...oops, Mr. Dadypants mentioned would be nice too.

The only problem is lack of room to display them out right now.

Slicker
05-22-2006, 06:35 AM
I'd just love for them to make decent city sets like back in the 80's and early 90's.







Maybe I'm just a simple man though...

stillakid
05-22-2006, 07:48 AM
What about a "Career Series," such as Automobile Dealership, Attorney's Office, Walmart, Firehouse, Casino, Bordello, or Pizzeria?

LusiferSam
05-22-2006, 11:31 AM
What about a "Career Series," such as Automobile Dealership, Attorney's Office, Walmart, Firehouse, Casino, Bordello, or Pizzeria?
Maybe not what you where thinking, but Lego has done a small pizza place, Pizza To Go, 6350 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6350). And there's lots of firehouse (or maybe they're fire stations) sets. 6389 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6389), 7240 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/7240), 6478 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6478), 6382 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6382), 6385 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6385), and 374 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/374_1).

I don't know about Walnuts, but I could dig the rest of these. And I'd add a post office. Lego really hasn't done much with a post office. The newest one is 6689 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6689) from 1985, that's over 20 years old.

stillakid
05-22-2006, 12:13 PM
How 'bout Alcatraz?

Ji'dai
05-22-2006, 05:29 PM
There was a McDonalds restaurant a few years ago. It was basically just a drive-thru window/facade and a car with customer and plenty of McD decals to slap all over it.

Of the themes mentioned, I wouldn't mind seeing some Scooby Doo sets.

Jargo
05-22-2006, 06:12 PM
If they did a main street modular thing you could squeeze all kinds of stores into it. each store module being a small size and sold in their respective stores as a cross promotional deal.

I dunno, GAP kids, toysRus, Pizza hut, hot topic... lol and there could be big billboards with advertisements on them from other participants like Colgate toothpaste, haagen daaz, Sony. Lego could make a mint in revenue from a pan global ad campaign plus cross promotion.

and technically they already sold their soul to the devil the day they introduced green and brown bricks. the original lego ethos was that lego could or should never be used to make models based on warfare. and that the minifigs had no racial slant.

that's all gone out the window in recent years so why not go the whole hog and go totally commercial.

Oh hang on they've already done that with Shell oil, with Octan gas, with Ferrari, movie tie in themes.

so in reality, if they've already done all that, then making a realistic main street can't hurt them at all right? right?

JediTricks
05-22-2006, 08:56 PM
and technically they already sold their soul to the devil the day they introduced green and brown bricks. the original lego ethos was that lego could or should never be used to make models based on warfare. Huh, interesting, so trees and dirt = warfare. :p



Oh hang on they've already done that with Shell oil, with Octan gas, with Ferrari, movie tie in themes. Um... "Octan" is a LEGO brand, it's not a real gas station company, and in fact it was meant to replace Shell (a real brand).

LusiferSam
05-22-2006, 09:10 PM
and technically they already sold their soul to the devil the day they introduced green and brown bricks.
That was a while ago. Green and brown have been part of the Lego rainbow for a number of years. Maybe not to the extent they are now, but they're old colors.


the original lego ethos was that lego could or should never be used to make models based on warfare.
:confused: I totally don't understand this statement. :confused:


and that the minifigs had no racial slant.

that's all gone out the window in recent years so why not go the whole hog and go totally commercial.
I agree with you here. But why not stop the car rather than drive off the cliff.


Oh hang on they've already done that with Shell oil, with Octan gas, with Ferrari, movie tie in themes.
Lego and Shell have been buddies for a long time. I think Lego has had making Shell set since at least the mid 60's.

JediTricks
05-22-2006, 09:26 PM
Part of LEGO's original mission was to never release violence toys, then it was to never release "modern" violence toys, kids could make whatever they wanted but LEGO wouldn't release an M1 tank or a shotgun accessory. However, the market has demanded changes, and LEGO has slowly slid away from their original stance on the issue. I think they still hold the line ok though, nothing like Mega-bloks where they release Humvees with TOW missile launchers on top.

As for the racial issue, I thought they said that now only applies to real-people minifigs like Star Wars actors and basketball players and such, yellow remains the racially-neutral color for anything that isn't licensed.

Jargo
05-22-2006, 10:20 PM
ya. It wasn't a serious post. :rolleyes:

I know the history of lego, I've been playing with it since 1969.

Personally I have no problem with lego doing any colour in any shape. The more the merrier. Except blue. I don't like blue lego. don't know why, I just don't. I never use blue lego. Or orange...

I'm not fussed on the pink skinned minifigs but the black ones are cool. the pink looks odd. should have gone with tan, and dark tan for sunkissed or latino/hispanic/mediterranean/other (opinion only)

Lego is a very conservative company. very slow to move with the times. but with a quite astonishing range of products behind them at this point. If I'd been able to afford all the sets I've ever wanted over the years my house would be like a lego maze. it's the one 'toy' I come back to when I grow tired of everything else. an enduring passion. I'm sorry if my flippant post/s ruffled feathers.

Oh and I just found my brother playing with his lego along with his chums.

http://www.btinternet.com/~hmillington/GWLTS/ he's the guy in the third picture across and some others.

stillakid
05-22-2006, 11:34 PM
Lego and Shell have been buddies for a long time. I think Lego has had making Shell set since at least the mid 60's.

Isn't plastic a derivative of petroleum? :confused:

LusiferSam
05-23-2006, 12:58 AM
Isn't plastic a derivative of petroleum? :confused:
Yep. Most, but not all, plastics are derivative from petroleum. As far as I know ABS (stuff legos are made of) is no exception. I maybe harming the environment and endangering our security with my Lego collection, but I'm doing it in style and having fun.

stillakid
05-23-2006, 10:17 AM
Yep. Most, but not all, plastics are derivative from petroleum. As far as I know ABS (stuff legos are made of) is no exception. I maybe harming the environment and endangering our security with my Lego collection, but I'm doing it in style and having fun.


Lego's have always been expensive (more than they're worth, IMO) but how come they haven't gone up to upteen bucks a gallon like gas has?

JediTricks
05-23-2006, 02:32 PM
Because LEGO has been working to cut costs to accomodate rising prices, they laid off a bunch of European workers and moved some operations to China I believe.

LEGO's price-per-brick comes from the quality of their toolmaking, manufacturing, and materials, I've bought other companies' cheaper building brick toys but they never live up to the LEGO quality.

stillakid
05-24-2006, 07:50 AM
Because LEGO has been working to cut costs to accomodate rising prices, they laid off a bunch of European workers and moved some operations to China I believe.

LEGO's price-per-brick comes from the quality of their toolmaking, manufacturing, and materials, I've bought other companies' cheaper building brick toys but they never live up to the LEGO quality.

Hmm. I didn't realize that LEGO was a publicly traded company. ;)

JediTricks
05-24-2006, 01:43 PM
They're not, which is why they can concentrate on making toys rather than making profits - of course, if they had been paying a tiny bit more attention to profits, they wouldn't have suffered huge losses in the last few years.

By the way, did you know that pretty much any time anybody says anything positive about a company on these boards, that is your response?

Jargo
05-24-2006, 08:29 PM
To be fair, price IS something that plays heavily into my buying of lego. the movie tie in themes are cool but i don't buy much of that due to high price.
I've only spent out on the indiana jones esque adventurers theme. Not to mention so few places here in my area sell the stuff. or at least in any way that allows me to find anything beyond the movie tie in themes.

I shouldn't really have to travel nearly 300 miles to find a proper lego store. It's not really a practical way to find products....

stillakid
05-24-2006, 11:45 PM
They're not, which is why they can concentrate on making toys rather than making profits - of course, if they had been paying a tiny bit more attention to profits, they wouldn't have suffered huge losses in the last few years.

By the way, did you know that pretty much any time anybody says anything positive about a company on these boards, that is your response?

No, actually, I didn't. Thanks for pointing it out! :)

LusiferSam
05-24-2006, 11:49 PM
I shouldn't really have to travel nearly 300 miles to find a proper lego store. It's not really a practical way to find products....
Why don't you use S@H (http://shop.lego.com/) (internet or telephone) or another online retailer? Or Bricklink (http://www.bricklink.com/) if you're looking for older sets (price can be higher if you're looking for some rare set)? Or do they nail you with some ungodly net sales tax?

JediTricks
05-25-2006, 02:20 AM
What themes have higher prices due to licensing costs? Maybe it's the UK pricing? Here the price-per-part average is about 10 to 15 cents whether it's a licensed set or an in-house set, as long as it has instructions that's how much it seems to cost (761 piece set goes for $75 whether it's Star Wars or Alpha Team, for example), only the buckets get a price-per-part break here.

Jargo
05-25-2006, 09:03 AM
Why don't you use S@H (http://shop.lego.com/) (internet or telephone) or another online retailer? Or Bricklink (http://www.bricklink.com/) if you're looking for older sets (price can be higher if you're looking for some rare set)? Or do they nail you with some ungodly net sales tax? adding in shipping doesn't really help keep the cost down though. I've used S@H before and it was cool. but why add to the cost by importing? Surely it's better to go in person to a store and buy.

JT without having facts and figures at my fingertips right now I can only say that the star wars and harry potter themes have been sold at far higher prices than say City or castle themes. I know I've balked at some of the HP pricing. Admittedly that could have been in TRU and such. Though recently I did pick up a couple of the newer knights kingdom sets. 8801/8802 'attack from the sea' both sets shrink wrapped together, for just £15 ($24) which was about £5 below MRP.
sales tax here (or Value added tax = VAT) is 17.5%

in an ideal world Lego would expand into the uncharted territories of the UK north of Birmingham. There's enough malls around to home the stores. plus it can be cheaper to take mall space up here.

I know I sound whiney. Like I'm looking for fault. Being picky. I'm not intentionally writing that way. I just feel disappointed that Lego seems to be ignoring us northerners.

*stomps feet and folds arms across chest while pouting and frowning*

JediTricks
05-25-2006, 03:31 PM
Here's the prices and piece counts of some SW sets and some In-House sets in the US:

X-wing 1999 - 263 pieces, $30
X-wing 2003 - 563 pieces, $50
UCS X-wing 2000 - 1304 pieces, $150
Jedi Starfighter & Vulture Droid 2005 - 202 pieces, $20

Alpha Team Blizzard Blaster 2005 - 303 pieces, $30
Police Station 2005 - 586 pieces (including baseplate and lightup figure), $70
Fire Truck 2005 - 214 pieces, $20
LEGO Studios Scary Laboratory 2002 - 492 pieces, $50
Alpha Team Navigator and ROV 2002 - 91 pieces, $10
Alpha Team Ogel Underwater Base and AT Sub 2002 - 471 pieces, $50
Xtreme Stunts Truck & Stunt Trikes 2002 - 210 pieces, $30
Ninja Shanghai Surprise 1999 - 102 pieces, $12
Ninja Emperor's Stronghold 1999 - 328 pieces, $40
Space Port Countdown Corner 1999 - 131 elements (including electronic brick), $20
Technic Air Enforcer 1999 - 307 pieces, $30

I went through Lugnet and just pulled listings from various years, I was surprised to notice that there are a lot of sets that aren't licensed that come in at a much heavier price-per-part cost than the average. If anything, Star Wars seems to be a better value than non-licensed sets.

plasticfetish
05-25-2006, 07:46 PM
Hmmm, dream themes...

I like JT's future city idea a lot. (You could make your own Flash Gordon or Logan's Run scenes.)
Star Trek would be brilliant.

It's probably too violent, but I'd love Planet of the Apes sets. An ape city with various locations would be cool. Astronauts with their ship would be great.

I really wish they'd get back to doing space sets in general.

I'd even buy stillakid's Hobo train (though I'd more than likely make one from Playmobil instead.) ;)

JediGoofy
05-26-2006, 03:18 AM
I dream of a Star Trek theme, or maybe a Galactica one. :)

More beautiful starships to add to my SW starship collection! :D
What a dream... :zzz:

Ciao,
JediGoofy

seanmcfripp
05-26-2006, 12:49 PM
I like the Stillakid Lego line myself. You still have the mustache?

stillakid
05-26-2006, 12:52 PM
I like the Stillakid Lego line myself. You still have the mustache?

Nah. I shaved that off after I stopped doing porn. :whip:

seanmcfripp
05-26-2006, 12:57 PM
Nah. I shaved that off after I stopped doing porn. :whip:

Wow. Now that's a Lego minifig worth having. The porn Lego man's favorite pick-up line:

"Hello young lady, and before you ask, yes, I am yellow all over."

DarkArtist
06-01-2006, 08:17 PM
I want GI Joe style lego... and no not the build to rule mego blocks stuff. I'm talking about small lego figures with vintage joe and cobra sets like, the cobra rattler, cobra stinger, joe skystriker, joe awe striker. figures like flint, duke, scarlett, cobra commander, destro, baroness.
maybe even some dreadnoks.:thumbsup:

Battle Droid
06-02-2006, 07:38 PM
Jurassic Park Trilogy, soon to be Quadrilogy.

Slicker
06-02-2006, 07:39 PM
Jurassic Park Trilogy, soon to be Quadrilogy.Didn't they already do a Jurassic Park theme with LEGO? I swear I remember something of the sort.

Battle Droid
06-02-2006, 07:41 PM
Just for Jurassic Park 3, and it was in the Studios Theme.

Jedibill
06-02-2006, 10:32 PM
How about Dr. Who build armies of Dyleks and Cybermen and differant Timelords could be cool playsets and sorts.

Jargo
06-03-2006, 10:03 AM
Didn't they already do a Jurassic Park theme with LEGO? I swear I remember something of the sort.

there was the adventurers dino island adventure too. similar sort of theme running through it. with odd coloured stegosaurus and such. though the T-Rex was cool.

And now they have DINO 2010 which has two or three cool vehicles, especially the helicoptor. though the dinos are more junior and one piece. still minifig scale though. http://www.lego.com/eng/dino/2010/productPage.aspx

The studio stuff I didn't really dig. seemed a bit thin on parts.

Dr. Who could be fun. Seeing as it ranges around history and the future. scope for a variety of settings, nice range of minifigs, heroes and villains. The fact that it's family entertainment as a show would stand it in good stead. plus there's a captive consumer base. Shove any Doctor Who product on the market and it's lapped up.

LusiferSam
06-03-2006, 12:02 PM
Didn't they already do a Jurassic Park theme with LEGO? I swear I remember something of the sort.
Yes there was. Like Battle Droid said it was Jurassic Park 3 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/?qc=lego/studios/jurassicparkiii). Set 1349 (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/1349) is basically JP 2. And the Adventures: Dino Island (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/?qc=lego/system/adventurers/dinoisland) is also basically JP 2.

JediTricks
06-04-2006, 04:13 PM
The problem with Dr Who products for a multi-national company is that the biggest buying market, the USA, as a whole doesn't know the Dr Who brand at all, wouldn't know a TARDIS from trashcan, so there's this huge marketshare that dries up and profits go down, so prices go up for those areas who do get the line.

Dr Who seems like it'd be a really hard theme to develop, there's very little that I know of which runs through it well enough to be turned into LEGO, everything kinda comes and goes as the Doctor moves on, only the TARDIS and Daleks are ubiquitous.

Jargo
06-04-2006, 06:12 PM
I'd argue that the biggest buying market for LEGO has and always will be Europe. but it's a moot point.

I can see your thinking and yes in a way you are right. however what you forget is the captive consumer is a generation of nerds who grew up with the doctor through the sixties seventies and eighties. a fanbase still very much alive. in the same way trek has it's own fanbase so there is a dr. who fanbase that laps up anything and everything as far as merchandising goes.

each fan has their own era and their own personal doctor who favourite. There's been such a range of villains throughout the history of doctor who that it's a rich broad mine of possibilities.

The tardis itself in the seventies was constructed in such a way that you could have configured the interior in any way possible and LEGo suits that kind of thinking.

The daleks themselves have variety in the same way clonetroopers from star wars do. same basic shape, different colour schemes.

I kind of see a doctor who theme running along similar lines to the adventurers. a small number of sets per adventure, each adventure covers a certain era of history be it past present or future. Each adventure features a different doctor minifig so if you collected them all you could regenerate your doctor to have pieces of various docto figures. daleks could be customised. the tardis can be rearranged, the sets would feasibly play into various other themes such as space, city, castle etc. thus having cross fanbase appeal.

I know you won't be at all convinced by any of this. but then you're not a lifelong viewer of the show and possibly don't realise the impact it's had on this side of the ocean for the last 40 years.

Dr. Who has huge family appeal. it has fans from granparent age right down to junior school. There's no gratuitous sex, violence or bad language and the show is highly moralistic. without preaching anything. it's the perfect vehicle for a range of lego models and sets that would cater to a broad ranging demographic.

*steps off indignant soapbox*

so there...

Jedibill
06-04-2006, 11:26 PM
I'd argue that the biggest buying market for LEGO has and always will be Europe. but it's a moot point.

I can see your thinking and yes in a way you are right. however what you forget is the captive consumer is a generation of nerds who grew up with the doctor through the sixties seventies and eighties. a fanbase still very much alive. in the same way trek has it's own fanbase so there is a dr. who fanbase that laps up anything and everything as far as merchandising goes.

each fan has their own era and their own personal doctor who favourite. There's been such a range of villains throughout the history of doctor who that it's a rich broad mine of possibilities.

The tardis itself in the seventies was constructed in such a way that you could have configured the interior in any way possible and LEGo suits that kind of thinking.

The daleks themselves have variety in the same way clonetroopers from star wars do. same basic shape, different colour schemes.

I kind of see a doctor who theme running along similar lines to the adventurers. a small number of sets per adventure, each adventure covers a certain era of history be it past present or future. Each adventure features a different doctor minifig so if you collected them all you could regenerate your doctor to have pieces of various docto figures. daleks could be customised. the tardis can be rearranged, the sets would feasibly play into various other themes such as space, city, castle etc. thus having cross fanbase appeal.

I know you won't be at all convinced by any of this. but then you're not a lifelong viewer of the show and possibly don't realise the impact it's had on this side of the ocean for the last 40 years.

Dr. Who has huge family appeal. it has fans from granparent age right down to junior school. There's no gratuitous sex, violence or bad language and the show is highly moralistic. without preaching anything. it's the perfect vehicle for a range of lego models and sets that would cater to a broad ranging demographic.

*steps off indignant soapbox*

so there...

Yea and now it comes on SciFi channel every friday nite LOL

and I use to love to watch it back in the 80's on PBS I think.

JediTricks
06-05-2006, 03:26 PM
I'd argue that the biggest buying market for LEGO has and always will be Europe. but it's a moot point.It's not a moot point, it's a significant and quantifiable one. There is some confusion to this, as there are more firms working with LEGO in Europe than in the US, so some outlets report that as being their biggest market because of the diversity, but LEGO themselves says: "The United States is unquestionably the LEGO Company’s biggest market, accounting for more than one-third of our total sales. At the same time it is a market which has been growing vigorously in recent years. When sales to this market fall below budget, it has a marked effect on the Company as a whole."


I can see your thinking and yes in a way you are right. however what you forget is the captive consumer is a generation of nerds who grew up with the doctor through the sixties seventies and eighties. a fanbase still very much alive. in the same way trek has it's own fanbase so there is a dr. who fanbase that laps up anything and everything as far as merchandising goes.Let me also use Trek as an example, here in the US, Trek used to be a sales juggernaut, then TNG ended and with it took the kid audience, after the loss of the kid audience it didn't matter that there was a strong adult fan audience, their numbers weren't anywhere near powerful enough to keep it alive. Nerd/Geek Fanbases not only are in smaller numbers, but are also very particular about what they buy. Here in the US, there is no Dr Who merchandise on shelves anywhere except rare specialty shops. Kids power the toy market still, so even the wildly-popular Battlestar Galactica has nothing (except the handful of entries in the Titanium Series line).


each fan has their own era and their own personal doctor who favourite. There's been such a range of villains throughout the history of doctor who that it's a rich broad mine of possibilities. But from a corporate mindset, that means there's too much diversity, interest is stretched thinner because there's so much more to cover.




I kind of see a doctor who theme running along similar lines to the adventurers. a small number of sets per adventure, each adventure covers a certain era of history be it past present or future. Each adventure features a different doctor minifig so if you collected them all you could regenerate your doctor to have pieces of various docto figures. daleks could be customised. the tardis can be rearranged, the sets would feasibly play into various other themes such as space, city, castle etc. thus having cross fanbase appeal.It's an interesting idea, what would the sets themselves be? The Adventurers sets had some environments but also depended heavily on vehicles: cars, planes, even hot air balloons.


I know you won't be at all convinced by any of this. but then you're not a lifelong viewer of the show and possibly don't realise the impact it's had on this side of the ocean for the last 40 years. I'm not, my grandmother is though, ever since it first was shown on PBS here in the US. I know it's big, but even the merchandising in its home country is a tad limited.

Just because it has widespread family appeal in GB doesn't automatically mean it'll make a good LEGO theme.

Ric Olie
06-07-2006, 02:18 PM
I would love to see an Indiana Jones series. I know Lego had an Adventure set a few years back that was Indy inspired but with Indy 4 just around the corner a few official Lego sets would be cool.

Jedibill
06-07-2006, 04:17 PM
Evil Knevil Grand Canyon Jump Rocket Bike playset or 50 car jump with excluesive Blue jumpsuit, ambalance playset.

JediTricks
06-08-2006, 08:29 PM
Bill, that's a funny as hell idea! Could do a whole EK stunt theme, could even do it via Technic Guys so they really could have moving vehicles and such.


Got to ditto for an Indiana Jones theme, Adventurers was great but Johnny Thunder's mustache and hat weren't Indy!

Jangu Fett
06-11-2006, 09:23 PM
A lego Halo line is one I'd like to see. And maybe some other video game sets also. A special UCS Samus Aran's Gunship, with mini figure of Samus herself, would rule IMO. The new gunship from MP3: Corruption. Heres a photo-http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748547/img_3583105.html

Jargo
06-16-2006, 10:24 PM
wow. That's - colourful...

Melting head nazi dude in lego minfig form would be cool so i agree about Indy Jones. similar to adventurers but movie accurate. They could use that funky new gold plastic to do the ark of the covenent. or the holy grail. The planes would look cool. could work in some cool play features with rolling ball booby trap or breakaway floor, big mean dude who comes in little slices that click together loosely and then you start up a motor in the plane and it turns and the propellors lice apart the big mean dude minifig. and instead ofgiving Indy the standard rubbery molded whip they should give him a string one with a litle handle bar on the end for the minifig to grip. same sort of piece as the Harry Potter wands are. but shorter.

and lots of snakes. mmmmm...

Jargo
04-04-2007, 07:23 PM
recently had my interest in town/city sets revived with the release of cafe corner. which sent me looking at a couple of sites to see what people had been building. some nice stuff like the empire state buildng and various other high rise towers. big railway stations, a movie theatre. which made me think about what Lego has offered in the past. and they've never done a city park.

so then i thought what does a park need? A playground for the little kids, a skateboard ramp. a caged off basketball/soccer court. some sort of boating lake or big pond with ducks. lots of trees and bushes. street lamps. trashcans. benches. and a dog area. maybe even a petting zoo. and then the gates and railings all around. maybe a raised grass area with an observation point on the top. and a refreshments kiosk. some minifigs, a couple of skateboards and bicycles, a hobo, a cop on horseback. a junkie dealer. and a shopping cart. (there's always an abandoned shopping cart in parks here).

which got me thinking about town planning. Maybe Lego need to start with a vague plan and have something be central to the town/city. and moving out across the urban landscape create sets that help build the town/city slowly. rather than the haphazard way they do it all now. Sure no-one wants to be told how to piece together a lego town/city but cafe corner is precisely the sort of set town builders need. and next, a big office block would be cool. or a department store. maybe a tower block with fat satellite telecommunications dishes on top. A TV station HQ perhaps. maybe even a civic HQ for the town/city mayor.

i mean those sorts of sets may not sound terribly exciting but when you start connecting in stuff like batman it suddenly becomes more Gotham city like. More of a construction challenge than those wimpy little facade sets Lego has been doing. you can go off in one direction towards the city docks or in another to the airport. use the massive crane and have a construction site around a half built tower block. go off in another direction to a district of brownstones and a neighbourhood waiting for a miracle. or head off uptown to snazzy apartment blocks with rooftop gardens. and another direction takes you out into suburbia. and beyond that farmland.

see i can see it all in my head and know I can build all that myself. but some people need a helping hand as they don't have much imagination. I don't think lego helps much by creating very similar sets time and time again. I think Lego could use a little more imagination in the designing and planning of their city theme. Perhaps sub dividing it into uptown and downtown. urban and suburban. Maybe stop basing everything on how it looks in the netherlands and make it more contemporary and relevent to the kids who buy this stuff. make it recognisable.

if the biggest market is America then make the city look American. I have no problem with that seeing as most of the TV and movies we get over this side of the atlantic are American. the shapes colours and atmosphere of American cities and towns are very familiar. Whereas I would imagine the building styles of northern Europe are less familiar to Americans. does that make sense?

I just think the City theme needs a boost. A kick up the backside and a big dose of the 21st century.

Old Fossil
04-04-2007, 09:07 PM
The Hobbit and Lord of the rings LEGO would have been cool as an add on to the castle theme. Minus Tirith, Minus Morgul, The black gate, Lothlorien, Rivendell, Hobbiton, with the short leg pieces you've got hobbits and Dwarves, they could do a taller leg piece for elves and Sauron. Re-jig the Horntail dragon from Harry Potter and you've got Smaugor the fell beast. It'd be easy to come up with a Shelob and Troll. Even the watcher at the mines of Moria is achievable.
A UCS Oliphaunt would be incredibly cool.

Annyhoo, just throwing this out there, NON star wars themes. Go wild.

Awesome. There could be several playsets gotten out of LOTR:

1. MINES OF MORIA. Environments: West Gate, Chamber of Mazarbul, Bridge of Khazad-dum. Creatures: Cave Troll, Balrog. Minifigs: Gimli, Gandalf the Grey, Boromir, Moria Orc.

2. PELENNOR FIELDS. Elements: Mumak, Grond (the battering ram). Creatures: Snowmane, Fell Beast. Minifigs: Aragorn, Legolas, Theoden, Eowyn, Haradan rider, Gothmog, the Witch-king. ($100+)

3. TOWER OF CIRITH UNGOL. Environment: the Tower and Shelob's Lair. Creature: Shelob. Minifigs: Frodo, Sam, Gollum, Mordor Orc.

4. TOWER OF ORTHANC. Environment: Orthanc (easily done, though it would need a colossal number of black bricks). Creature: Treebeard the Ent. Minifigs: Saruman, Wormtongue (?), Isengard Orc, Merry, Pippin.

5. BATTLE PACKS. (a) Ringwraiths, 8; (b) Orcs - of the White Hand, Moria, and Mordor; (c) Elves of Lothlorien.

6. HELM'S DEEP. Minifigs: Uruk-hai, Riders of Rohan, Eomer, Haldir.

I know I'd buy 'em.

stillakid
04-04-2007, 10:17 PM
Having just recently returned from a trip across Europe and the Middle East, I think that Lego should create a multi-box set of historical landmark kits. While the kids are building their own mini versions of the Pyramids, the Acropolis, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, the Eiffel Tower, etc., Lego could include an educational sheet to help kids learn about the history of what they are building.

See here (http://www.dzyak.com/spiritofdubai.htm) for some examples :D

JediTricks
04-05-2007, 04:30 PM
Interesting idea on the park, it's not a set LEGO would want to tackle because there's almost nothing to actually build though, it'd be all detail work like little grass hills made of green plates, a pond made either of trans blue plates or one of those big preprinted (or even the extruded kind) baseplates, and tons of trees and bushes and lamps and fences. There's the playground but that'd likely be mainly technic, but you could also do benches and statues and buildings. Still, it doesn't have that "building" feel that LEGO likes to stick to, so I think that'd be a tough sell to them. Have you found anybody who has already done MOC of one?

I think LEGO is sort of walking away from Town/City, everything's been so juniorized lately except for a few airplane entries, I think they're running out of steam, so making a lot of BIG sets is going to keep it stuck as an exclusive. Not that I don't want to see banks and office buildings for Batman to play with, but I just don't see spending $200 for each. This is where idea books and buckets come in handy the most, that'd be cool, a few "buildings" buckets with idea books.

I like what you have in mind, but who has that much room? I wonder if anybody's ever made a town of all the Town/City sets from over the years, I wonder what that would look like altogether.



That's an interesting idea Stilla, (and cool pics) but what scale? I could see them doing something almost MINI scale as a boxed set, or maybe $15 to $20 for 2 each, make a series out of it. Of course, LEGO doesn't really translate too well for any of those landmarks at those scales, but I don't think many kids are going to want $100 landmark sets.

Jargo
04-05-2007, 06:12 PM
see your point JT. I was actually wondering what a city of all the town/city sets would look like as I was writing. thinking lots of fire/hospital/police sets. garages and gas filling stations. lots of aeroplanes with no runway. and very few houses and that type of building.

however it did make me go away and plan a small city. I started working on a block system and assigned each block a sort of district label like urban housing and commerce. marina. airport. suburbs. shopping. local government. the sort of district you getin cities anyway where groups and organisations tendto huddle together. I did start by shoving a park in the centre though. and then on each block i used a keycode of symbols to put in public transport points and places like police, hospital, education, fire service.

At the moment i have no space to build my city. but at least i know how I'd do it and what i'd be looking at in terms of size and brick requirement. I may have a go at building some of it over the summer in my loft space. shelving my other project for a while. I hate the sun so i'll be staying cool indoors and keeping my pale complexion as white as can be. I'll be attempting to make the park for sure. including the hobo and junkie dealer. it won't work without them. :)

weird thing, as I was looking at articles on lego on the net i kept coming across the name of my brother. The BBC even interviewed him about the state of Lego which was a surreal thing to read. I just wish he'd come across more articulately.... i'm digressing.

Y'know, Stilla's idea could work within a theme similar to the adventurers. a more modern updated version. which could tie in with a minisite on the lego site. I dunno. use clues to find hidden treasure and each set is a different landmark. includd with the sets are cards that give basic info on the landmark but also provide clues to the next location or something. I'm not good at creating detective type stuff but you can see where I'm headed with this right? educational and creative and stimulating. sort of a game like the orient adventure had going but a little bit more - thought provoking. I mean could it have a spy theme similar to James bond 007 or Mission Impossible? It would need some sort of catch and suspense. plus a good marketing strategy.

the only other way I could see it being done is as a straight build designer set. each landmark being given a base to set it on with a printed plaque to attach to the base with details of when it was built and country of location. that sort of thing. I think I like the play and learn game approach better. but I can see that designer sets might work better.

JediTricks
04-06-2007, 10:32 PM
They have runways! They just look an awful lot like city street baseplates in a row. ;)

Yeah, LEGO Town is the best-protected city on the face of the planet, but they also have the weakest jail cells - luckily for the people of LEGO Town, the criminals all dress like classic crooks. :D

Your idea seems like an excellent basis for LEGO to do a SimCity-style game with LEGO minifigs and bricks.

On your city idea, would it be a flat city or would you do some sort of low contour system to give it more character? I don't think I've ever seen something like that done in minifig scale.

That's a cool idea about the monuments in a minifig theme, kill 2 birds with 1 stone. There'd have to be some sort of play environment involved for the minifigs, and scale would be severely compromised, but that'd kick its sales ranking up higher and probably win some educational toy awards. "Globe Hopping with Johnny Thunder!"

Jargo
04-06-2007, 11:14 PM
not sure about landscaping but to get the docks and marina i'll have to build it up along the rivers edge. and if i'm building up there I could build up further back and give the two roads that run down to the river bridges a hill.

I redrew my plan tonight. split the town into three separate segments so it would fit on three tables side by side. then broke down some of the blocks and asigned specific buildings to spaces.
I've decided it's going to be a University town. with a large teaching hospital. then the main University campus further across town. Close to a couple of clubs and bars and a cafe district. which will be the uptown area. Also close to the marina and luxury apartment condo. the other end of town is more urban with cheap housing and an industrial area. along with an urban development site so i can shove those nifty construction sets from last year in there.

I'll attempt to get some tower blocks in for places like the TV company and the telecommunications company. and close to the small airport i'll shove a stinky polluting factory. which in my mind is like a cross betwen the powerplant from the Simpsons and Willy Wonka's factory.

a lot of the layout will be determined by road plates though. But i may decide to dismiss road plates completely and paint some boards then just sit the buildings on top. that way i can move buildings more easily. without disturbing anything else. And it also depends on my budget as to how far i can realistically go with this. I'm pretty fired up now though. busy looking at other peoples builds and getting some ideas about a style and era.

I reckon star wars collecting will have to take a backseat for a while. can't afford both.

stillakid
04-07-2007, 12:43 AM
Thanks for the feedback and ideas, guys! :D I'm just catching up on this thread today, but in the past couple (as I've been recovering) days I've been thinking more seriously about approaching Lego with the "landmarks" idea. Perhaps a joint product with The Discovery Channel.

As far as scale goes, I suppose it would be driven by the question of who would buy the sets because that ultimately determines cost. Of course they wouldn't have a mile-long Great Wall of China, but it would nice to be big enough that some sense of scale and detail was included. One of the educational "lessons" to hopefully include is the effort involved in making the Lego version. It's not enough to just read a "fact sheet" about a landmark. If the builder also somehow got a sense of what it might have taken the creators of the thing to make it (ie, the instructions mimic the actual process it took somehow), then it truly becomes an interactive "lesson" instead of just another minature version of something.

That's the concept anyway. Turning it into a viable consumer item is the challenge.

JediTricks
04-07-2007, 12:43 AM
Jargo, sounds pretty cool! You will, of course, take photos, n'est pas?

What'cha gonna use for the tall buildings, regular bricks or cheater specialties? In my mind, I might actually use some of those cheaters to get the height up there quick, then slap on some detail, but I'm a stingy one.


Thanks for the feedback and ideas, guys! :D I'm just catching up on this thread today, but in the past couple (as I've been recovering) days I've been thinking more seriously about approaching Lego with the "landmarks" idea. Perhaps a joint product with The Discovery Channel.Good idea as a joint project, they did the NASA Space Shuttle set with Discovery so there's a relationship already in place to exploit.



Of course they wouldn't have a mile-long Great Wall of China, but it would nice to be big enough that some sense of scale and detail was included.That'd be cool in micro scale though, not the whole wall obviously, but a significant section.


It's not enough to just read a "fact sheet" about a landmark. If the builder also somehow got a sense of what it might have taken the creators of the thing to make it (ie, the instructions mimic the actual process it took somehow), then it truly becomes an interactive "lesson" instead of just another minature version of something."Child/builder, get a bunch of slaves or cheap working-class suckers to slowly form blocks, then get them drunk at night on bread soaked in beer so they won't riot" :p


That's the concept anyway. Turning it into a viable consumer item is the challenge.Not like LEGO is really worried that much about it being viable, they've had some pretty unsellable sets before.

Jargo
04-07-2007, 10:59 AM
tall buildings. hmmm. well i realy like the girder parts used in the batcave set. so maybe on one tower I'll do that wall of glass build with the girders on the corners and the window walls. with a brick central core. or there's the SNOT technique which is a cheat but saves on using the big wall panels. I'd like to try and build with a through the decades approach. some historical looking stuff and then some really nasty 1960's designs on towers. And then some really modern stuff. where cost of materials lead the architect to minimise on details and create dull looking structures. which will mean that when i come to the luxury apartments it'll look that much more effective if it's a grander style.

the emergency services buildings will have a utilitarian style rather than the fanciful style of Lego's own creations. And my police cells will be strong enough to hold the crims'. though thinking about it I've forgotten to put a courthouse on the plan. hmmmmm.

yes i'll be taking photos. if nothing else just to record the development of buildings. I'm bound to build and rebuild. a) as new parts become available to me and b) as i find new ways to improve my building techniques.

Viva las LEGO!

JediTricks
04-10-2007, 03:08 PM
In LEGOland, there are no courts, no lawyers, only police and criminals, when the criminals are deemed guilty they're thrown into the ocean and it's up to RES-Q to decide if they're worth saving. :p


I like that girder idea the most, it'll require a lot of those clear panels but it'd be worth it.

Jargo
04-13-2007, 05:28 PM
got thinking some more about that zoo idea i had on page one.
looked at all the animals done in minifig scale and thought ok, a zoo is possible. I count 21 animals in minifig scale. I don't think there's a single one that couldn't be used somehow in the zoo theme. either modified or re-coloured or tampo stamped with stripes or spots etc. with miles of scope for doing other animals in the same blocky way. and if a zoo was deemed politically incorrect then a safari conservation awareness aimed theme could suffice. which could follow the usual villains and heroes path. with hunters and poachers versus safari rangers and police. safari vet and rescue centre. vehicles and savanah looking bases. and to get the girls involved in the stereotyping way lego does, a safari hotel with all the girly trimmings like sink basins and bathtubs and girl mnifigs with head scarves over safari hats and bit pouty red lips. and a female nurse in the vets office with cute baby animals. and food. banans and fruit and a new big steak for the lions and tigers etc. trees for the elephant and giraffe to munch on. a prison for the criminals. and even something like a film crew. nature documetarists (is that a word?)
for the zoo idea you have the vehicles and the main entrance, enclosures the gift shop, the reptile house the apery. all the usual animals you'd expect in a zoo could have their own little homes. and you could add a monorail to the zoo. about time we had another monorail. you could have a coach party there could be hot air balloon rides. though that might work better with the safari idea.
giving it a conservation slant would be cool though. more educational but still fun.
the zoo I really want, to get a lego panda or kangaroo. it could include the widest range of aminals. plus it would be cool for lego city.
the safari idea would work with adventurers and pirates (if say the buildings were created stockade style).and possibly have better looking vehicles.
I suppose it would depend which particular end of the age range for minifig scaled stuff they were aiming it at as to which of the two ideas would work best. zoo for the younger end and safari the other.
maybe do both and the animals from the safari could be added to the zoo. and the safari buildings used as part of the zoo because most zoo's will attempt a safari feel to enclosures and gift shops and so on. it wouldn't need to be more than four sets of decreasing size on each theme then.
Duplo zoo got some cool animals. I think minifigs deserve some of the same.

didgeboy
04-15-2007, 03:31 PM
I too have gotten back into Lego since Target put some train sets on clearance a few yaers ago. You all should check out the SCLTC site (Southern California Lego Train Club), for ideas about city buildings. These guys doa great job with big office bldgs, and apartments, etc. On a side note I have been planning that "city park" idea for a while for my layout, nice to hear that my ideas are not original and therefore not all that strange. Cheers.

Jargo
04-15-2007, 08:08 PM
the big buildings are indeed impressive. I'm planning a trip to Legoland Windsor next month. visit the biggest Lego store in the UK and buy me a whole bunch of bricks. The guy I'm going with is also a Lego fan. and novice builder. I'm hoping to enlist him in my project and get him to combine his bricks with mine in the effort. I don't think I can afford to make really big buildings without added input.
I love that SCLTC skyscraper though. the shallow curve on the walls is amazing. Must have cost a tidy fortune to build though.

didgeboy
04-16-2007, 12:11 PM
Let me know if you interested in shopping for a brother. Cheers.

Jargo
04-18-2007, 09:12 PM
erm, hate to point this out, but you're the other side of the Atlantic ocean to me. Otherwise yeah, maybe I could have helped out. Me be in the UK y'see.

just found a deal on the legoland site and got two entrance tickets for less than the normal price of one. sweeeeeeeeeeet. Hopefully that means it'll be a quiet day with not too many people queueueueing. it's five weeks off but I'm excited already. I've wanted to go since the place opened but never had the opportunity. though as soon as they see two guys intheir late thirties with no kids they're gonna be like "Geeks at twelve o-clock. close down the rides! Geeks at twelve o-clock!!!!!"

And i want this kind of Lego set for christmas...