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Rogue II
05-25-2006, 12:49 PM
My first nominee for bands that have hit rock bottom is Def Leppard. They have released 4 greatest hits albums, and now, they just released an album titled "Yeah!" where they cover songs from the late 60s and 70s. There were a couple guys talking about it on the radio and I didn't believe them until I looked it up on amazon.

El Chuxter
05-25-2006, 01:27 PM
Funny, when I read the title, Def Leppard was the first to come to mind. They're still a great band, but damn!

I was looking forward to three new releases on Tuesday: Def Lep, Dixie Chicks, and Johnny Cash. (Despite how I know that sounds, I still hate 99% of country music.) Two of these turned out to be excellent, but Def Leppard's was, well, not really bad, but enormously disappointing. I love the band, I love cover versions. . . but this is all carbon copies of the originals. I hate carbon copies! If you're gonna do someone else's song, give it a new twist. Otherwise, you're wasting your time and my money.

Who the hell would buy a new Def Leppard album in 2006 and not have the originals of "20th Century Boy" and "Rock On"?

I'll always have Hysteria. And Slang. And Euphoria. And X. And Pyromania. And, to a lesser extent, Adrenalize and Rock of Ages.

Darth Jax
05-25-2006, 08:38 PM
my first thought with this thread was great white.

Rocketboy
05-25-2006, 08:43 PM
I thought of Guns N Roses.

Blue2th
05-25-2006, 08:58 PM
my first thought with this thread was great white.
Rock bottom is not being able to get out of the club at a Great White show, but yeah they did hit rock bottom after that. (Rock Bottom is a song by Def Leppard also) Def Lepard is just trying to milk it for all it's worth, like alot of "Classic Rock" bands. I did like the way the 2 guitarists in DL worked together, though they lost alot of their cool chord changes and riffs when Steve Clark died after Hysteria. The twin guitars on "Bringing on the Heartbreak" is a good example of the technique invented by Wishbone Ash in a rock format, later influencing bands like Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, Boston, etc. who later influenced Metallica and others.

Banthaholic
05-25-2006, 09:29 PM
I thought of Guns N Roses.
Man you should listen to some of the concerts Axl and his band of misfits but on last week in NY. The old man still rocks.

UKWildcat
05-25-2006, 11:22 PM
The old man still rocks.

He got rocked last weekend by Tommy Hilfiger. Here is the article (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060520/ap_on_en_ot/people_rose_hilfiger) incase anyone missed it. Good stuff.

JimJamBonds
05-25-2006, 11:42 PM
Washed up band? If a member is on 'the Surreal Life' then he/she/they are washed up.

figrin bran
05-26-2006, 12:27 AM
I thought of Guns N Roses.

you'll be eating your words if Chinese Democracy ever gets released!!!

but then we might have a better chance of seeing more SW films than that much ballyhooed album seeing the light of day ;)

Kidhuman
05-26-2006, 02:15 AM
I thought GnR as well.

mabudonicus
05-26-2006, 07:41 AM
sadly I'd have to say KISS fits this bill nowadays, their ridiculous multi-year, never-ending "farewell tour" where they ended up firing 2 of the original members (the whole reason they came back in the first place was the "re-united" angle) and they can't even recall the DEAD simple formula that made them what they are, so as to release at least ONE good rocking album... they WERE great and their early stuff will never go out of style in my books, but they are a sad joke now

there's lots more but one is enough for now :beard:

And GnR I thought kinda didn't exist, otherwise this list could be HUGE and feature stuff like Milli Vanilli and Gary Glitter

Patient Zero
05-26-2006, 09:25 AM
This is a sad thread! :(

For those of us that have been around for a while, it is fairly upsetting to see a band in their hayday and then their inevitable decline. I use to be hardcore into The Cure and I mean fanatical when I was younger. Had every single thing they put out, over three hundred concert bootlegs, followed them around the east coast on tour and even met them a few times. However, I have barely even listened to their last few albums and pay little to no attention to them anymore. The creativity has dried up and there is nothing left in my opinion. After a while this seems to happen to all bands and if we are lucky they get out of the game and leave us with the memory of how great they ARE. If not, they become a parody of themselves and we simply recall how great they WERE, although being tainted by what they became.

You can never go home again I guess.

El Chuxter
05-26-2006, 10:38 AM
you'll be eating your words if Chinese Democracy ever gets released!!!

but then we might have a better chance of seeing more SW films than that much ballyhooed album seeing the light of day ;)

I've never seen a bigger if. :p

I wonder if it will have Buckethead and the duet with Shaquille O'Neal, or if Old Man Axl destroyed those tapes in one of his tape-destroying binges.

bighead5
05-26-2006, 04:49 PM
you'll be eating your words if Chinese Democracy ever gets released!!!

Have you heard any of the songs from Chinese Democracy?! :cry: They are really really bad and almost sad to think that the songs were written and performed by a band that was pretty amazing back in the day. I was extremely disappointed with what I heard. :cry: Check it out for yourself:
http://www.mygnr.com/next/next.html

El Chuxter
05-26-2006, 04:57 PM
"Oh My God" from the End of Days soundtrack was enough to dash my hopes for it, and their little act on the MTV Music Awards a couple of years back certainly didn't help.

Rogue II
05-26-2006, 05:05 PM
Is Axle Rose the only original member of GnR left, or did Slash and Co. come back?

There was an ad recently on VH-1 promoting the Def Leppard/Journey tour.

LusiferSam
05-27-2006, 06:10 PM
Have you heard any of the songs from Chinese Democracy?! :cry: They are really really bad and almost sad to think that the songs were written and performed by a band that was pretty amazing back in the day. I was extremely disappointed with what I heard. :cry: Check it out for yourself:
http://www.mygnr.com/next/next.html
I don't think any of those are songs from Chinese Democracy. Too many covers for one thing. From the same site I think this better of garbage to be found on Chinese Democracy (http://www.mygnr.com/album/ChineseDemocracy.html). Not that I care, I've never liked G'nR.

I think most hair metal have hit rock bottom and been there a while. Rat, Poison, W.A.S.P., Cinderella, Warren, Nelson, and the dozen or so more that I'm not thinking of at the moment. They all sound and looked a like. despite I brief revival of these crap in the late 90's this these bands have stayed out the public consciousness for the most part. Thank you Seattle. :thumbsup:

2-1B
05-28-2006, 02:34 AM
I still like Cinderella, they've got some great songs and are underrated. They're better than the way they get labelled but that's partly their fault for going along with the whole "look" of their era. I've seen them a few times in the past 5 years and I still think they're fun. :)

mabudonicus
05-28-2006, 07:42 AM
Agreed on Cinderella Caesar, they are a really fine, complex band with a lot of really good bluesy numbers and I bet they would put on a great show- that Gypsy Road song that was their "big hit" is more like them doing a salty dog cover or something compared to most of the rest of their stuff, and that misrepresentation of what they actually were didn't help them at ALL, nor is it their fault- they honestly got better with each album (despite the fact they were not getting ANY promotion in that period after "long cold winter") unlike a lot of other bands truly deserving of the "rock Bottom" name...


Here's another one.. Peter Frampton- he played the local casino last weekend, and the one comment I heard was basically "the band laughed a lot and had a great time, they know they haven't aged too well and so sdon't take themselves seriously anymore"
So he's basically a caricature of himself and he loves it.. THAT is pretty low

Rebo's_Guitarist
05-28-2006, 10:49 AM
Hmmmmm David Lee Roth has a cd coming out in June.........its Van Halen covers done in Bluegrass...........

Banthaholic
05-29-2006, 10:51 PM
Have you heard any of the songs from Chinese Democracy?! :cry: They are really really bad and almost sad to think that the songs were written and performed by a band that was pretty amazing back in the day. I was extremely disappointed with what I heard. :cry: Check it out for yourself:
http://www.mygnr.com/next/next.html
Have you heard There Was A Time, or as it's more commonly known as the anogram that it makes, which I'll leave it to you to figure out yourselves. This song rocks. I'm sure any searching on youtube would bring you to it.

If the rumored fall release date does happen for this album, it'll be in my cd player a few minutes after store opening.

2-1B
05-29-2006, 11:03 PM
sadly I'd have to say KISS fits this bill nowadays, their ridiculous multi-year, never-ending "farewell tour" where they ended up firing 2 of the original members (the whole reason they came back in the first place was the "re-united" angle) and they can't even recall the DEAD simple formula that made them what they are, so as to release at least ONE good rocking album... they WERE great and their early stuff will never go out of style in my books, but they are a sad joke now

Sad to say I agree with you there. I love Kiss and like you will always cherish (some of) their work but enough is enough already. I didn't even get to see them live until the Reunion Tour of 1996/97 and it was genuinely fantastic, too bad they had to go bonkers in the years after that. I even enjoyed some of the Psycho Circus album and tour but after that it REALLY got goofy. Singer as The Cat and Thayer as The Spaceman was really too much to take. And I'm a big fan of Eric Singer, he's a sweetheart, I just didn't like the abuse of the makeup lineup. I was 14 when the "Revenge" CD with Eric Singer and Bruce Kulick came out and it struck me at that age and I still dig that album. Sure it's not on par with the first few albums but I still like it. And as horrible as the makeup lineup got to be in the 2000-present era, I have to say it would have been better to just do the Reunion Tour of 10 years ago and then get back with Singer and Kulick and play smaller shows to smaller crowds, a mix of the old school stuff played competently while mixing in some of their newer stuff. But there's not nearly as much money in that approach, I'm afraid. :( And you can't spell $immon$ without 2 dollar signs. lol lol lol


and that misrepresentation of what [Cinderella] actually were didn't help them at ALL, nor is it their fault-

Well, I was thinking specifically of the Night Songs cover where they have the TOTAL 80s hair look about them...not to mention Jon Bon Jovi's name on the CD, that couldn't help either. :D

El Chuxter
05-29-2006, 11:10 PM
The way I see it, Def Leppard, Great White, Cinderella, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Tesla, Extreme, Scorpions, and (to a much lesser extent) GnFnR got unfairly saddled with the "hair band" label. I'm not saying all those bands are still at the top of their game today, but they were so much more than the genre they're associated with.

What's funny is to watch the guy from Warrant claiming now that he never wanted to do "Cherry Pie" and he wanted to rock hardcore all along and blah blah blah. What a load of rubbish. Douchebag frontman from a douchebag group, both deserving of their washed-up status.

Or to see CC Deville of Poison praising Nirvana. Moron! Nirvana and Pearl Jam are precisely the reason you're doing bar mitzvahs for beer money now.

Because if you were truly hair metal in the 80s, you're a washed-up turd-cuddler who hit rock bottom the minute your one hit dropped off the charts. Enjoy the county fair circuit.

2-1B
05-29-2006, 11:39 PM
Chux mentioned the county fair circuit and this is a touchy subject for me because Alice Cooper plays a lot of county fairs and I have seen him there (and will again this summer :thumbsup: ). Alice is one of my top 3 or top 5 of all time so it pains me to see him in that setting but you know what ? I kinda dig it. It costs next to nothing to see him play live and he STILL has it, I don't care what anybody says. He stills records good records and I enjoy much of what his new stuff has to offer. He puts together decent bands to play with him and he still gives it his all. A great catalogue to fall back on, of course, but he mixes in some new stuff and while I go nuts for it at the shows, of course 90% of the crowd is there just to hear his classic hits.

F**K THEM. :evil: I love the old school Alice Cooper Group as much as anyone but some of his stuff from the last 6 years as well as the 90s is very good IMO. Brutal Planet and Dragontown are a great tandem from 2000/2001 and The Eyes of AC and Dirty Diamonds are a pretty decent pair of late.

So I feel bad for The Coop that he is on that circuit of playing fairs in the summer and tiny clubs in the fall/winter but I get to see a great show for pennies on the dollar and I like that part of it. :thumbsup:

And I have a crush on his daughter Calico, to boot. lol

Rogue II
05-29-2006, 11:43 PM
The way I see it, Def Leppard, Great White, Cinderella, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Tesla, Extreme, Scorpions, and (to a much lesser extent) GnFnR got unfairly saddled with the "hair band" label. I'm not saying all those bands are still at the top of their game today, but they were so much more than the genre they're associated with.

I partially agree with that list...Motley Crue started out more metal, but they were out there with the big hair and wearing make-up with the rest of the glam rockers. From an interview I saw this weekend, Lars Ulrich said they used to make fun of the Crue. The Scorpions and Def Leppard were established rock bands before the hair bands came about, so I never put them in that category. I really never figured out how to categorize Bon Jovi...maybe one step or two below Van Halen (the Hagar years)? Some sort of light rock...not quite glam, but they had the big hair.

Which was lower for Van Halen, picking up Gary Cherone or going back with DLR?

2-1B
05-29-2006, 11:53 PM
Uhhh, that's a no brainer, the answer being DLR being rehired by VH.

Gary Cherone might not have been the best fit for VH (obviously not with the tanking of the 3 album :rolleyes: ) but I think he's a cool singer and above the whole "rock star" thing. You know what, maybe that's the first sign that he was a bad hire for the group. Which is actually a compliment to him. lol

I seriously like Gary Cherone and think he wrote some good songs with Extreme. I still enjoy them to this day. :)

Rogue II
05-30-2006, 12:10 AM
It's nothing against Gary Cherone, he just didn't seem right to be in Van Halen. It's too bad Extreme will never get back together. VH-1 or MTV had that Reuniting the band show a while back. Nuno Bettencourt refused to come back.

I still have Pornograffitti and used to have 3 Sides to Every Story, not sure what happened to it.

Banthaholic
05-30-2006, 12:25 AM
Which was lower for Van Halen, picking up Gary Cherone or going back with DLR?
You might have read that DLR (fresh off his talkshow success lol ) is hoping for another Van Halen reunion.

LusiferSam
05-30-2006, 02:05 AM
The way I see it, Def Leppard, Great White, Cinderella, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Tesla, Extreme, Scorpions, and (to a much lesser extent) GnFnR got unfairly saddled with the "hair band" label. I'm not saying all those bands are still at the top of their game today, but they were so much more than the genre they're associated with.
I agree with you for the most part one this. The only band I'm really not familiar with is Cinderella (I know one song, Gypsy Road, and ruffly what they look like). But one there's one thing to remember, these bands did this stuff to themselves. They could have told their labels off (like I'm sure Soundgarden, Nirvana, or Pearl Jam would have done) and said we're not jumping on the band wagon because just because it's the popular to do right now.

Some thing else that strikes me as funny is I had no idea who Tesla was until two years ago. My local radio station started playing stuff off their In to the Now disk and I really dug it. I looked into them thinking they were a new band and was shocked to learn they were an old hair metal band. I haven't listen to every off that new album but what I've heard sounds pretty good so far. And no I'm not letting them off the hook for having been a hair metal band. :whip:



Or to see CC Deville of Poison praising Nirvana. Moron! Nirvana and Pearl Jam are precisely the reason you're doing bar mitzvahs for beer money now.
Comments like that always bring a big grin to my face. :D

James Boba Fettfield
05-30-2006, 06:19 AM
From an interview I saw this weekend, Lars Ulrich said they used to make fun of the Crue.

How did he put it? "F*** Motley Crue!" Praise for Cliff Burton's sense to get them out of that music scene.

LusiferSam
05-30-2006, 11:19 AM
How did he put it? "F*** Motley Crue!" Praise for Cliff Burton's sense to get them out of that music scene.
I haven't seen that, but there's that shot of James, Lars, and Dave going "F*** L.A.!" right after they moved north.

Rogue II
05-30-2006, 11:28 AM
How did he put it? "F*** Motley Crue!" Praise for Cliff Burton's sense to get them out of that music scene.

Was it just me or while they were airing that show, in which the musicians constantly bashed bands like Motley Crue and Poison, the station turns around and promotes something about Poison or Motley Crue.

Another good line from that show was how GLAM stands for Gay L.A. Metal.

I saw the video for one of the tunes from the new Def Leppard album. Nothing special about the song or video, but it did occur to me that the drummer is probably really good at Dance Dance Revolution.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-30-2006, 07:59 PM
I've not heard the new Def Leppard album, but from the article in Entertainment Weekly, it is partly to prove once and for all that they aren't a metal band. They came of age in the glam-rock era of the 70's. The other band members have kidded that Joe Elliott has wanted to do this album for decades.


"We've talked about it for years. I've said, 'One day, we need to put the world to right. If we make a record that says where we came from , maybe people will listen a little better.' Because no matter how many times we told everybody we were getting labeled a certain way we didn't think was fitting, the next time we did interviews, they were just relabeling us the 'new wave of British heavy metal.' Then it moved on to ' '80's hair metal' and all this stuff. But if you took Lemmy and Ozzy and stuck 'em in a room with Scott Ian from Anthrax and Steve Harris of Iron Maiden and said, 'Def Leppard-heavy metal? Discuss,' they'd all burst out laughing. Even if you listen to our first album, it was full of harmonies that were more Queen and Beach Boys than just the obligatory vocals over a riff."

I'm not sure if I am familiar with any Def Leppard after Hysteria.

mabudonicus
06-06-2006, 09:21 AM
for anyone who cares, The Onion has a freakin hilarious "infographic" this week about the 10 year delay on the release of "Chinese Democracy", I won't link to it since the Onion has naughty words on it, but go there if you want a pretty good laugh (the "don't cry" fact was my fave)

:beard:

JimJamBonds
06-06-2006, 09:27 AM
Good call there! I'd missed that info graph when I looked at The Onion the first time.

2-1B
06-06-2006, 10:53 AM
I like the parts about "politically naive" and "susceptible to hype" :thumbsup:

TheDarthVader
06-08-2006, 12:17 PM
The way I see it, Def Leppard, Great White, Cinderella, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, Tesla, Extreme, Scorpions, and (to a much lesser extent) GnFnR got unfairly saddled with the "hair band" label.

I agree with you. I thought Tesla's album "Into the Now" was pretty good. "Caught in a Dream" is an excellent song.