New Titaniums at Comic Con!

[Battle Droid]

http://starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/20060718_picview/img/11.jpg

AOTC Jedi Starfighter w/ Hyperspace ring
AT-TE
Grievous' Starfighter
Sandtrooper and Dewback
AT-ST

Not sure what else is new.

[Darth Michael]

Wow, the hyperspace ring looks pretty large. And is that a Titanium R2-D2 on the lower shelf?

Do you have a higher resolution photo available, Droid?

[Battle Droid]

Nope sorry.

[Slicker]

Yep, that does look like R2. Along with 3PO, Hoth Luke, Jango, and a red clone.


I can't wait to see what else is in store for us this weekend.

[figrin bran]

hopefully we'll get better pics soon. man, i would buy all of those! especially the JSF and AT-TE!

[Battle Droid]

There's some up at Galactic Hunter.:D

[JediTricks]

Is that the Naboo Royal Cruiser that exploded in the beginning of Ep 2 next to the AT-ST? And the Tantive IV! And is that Maul on the Sith Speeder to the left of the Dewback? Damn, it's gonna be a good year for Titanium 3"!

[Battle Droid]

We're also getting the Invisible Hand! :D

http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery/events/comic_con_international_(2006)/preview_night/hasbro/cc06-hasbro_%20171.jpg

[JediTricks]

That ewok on speederbike looks bigger than the Scout Trooper and Luke figures!

I can't believe they're doing Anakin's Clone Wars jedi starfighter, how silly.

This is just going to be amazing to collect.

It looks like I was mistaken, not the Naboo Royal Cruiser, but the Naboo Royal Star Skiff from Ep 3.

[Warstar]

I'm so ridiculously happy I am at a loss for words...:D

...that AOTC JSF looks like an Ultra it's so big- but it's on a 3" stand!? :D

YAYAYAYAY! :love: :laugh:

[Kidhuman]

I am loving the Titanium line right about now.

[figrin bran]

whaddya mean, kh? you didn't like the titanium line before? ;)

wow, i can't get past the aotc fighter w. hyper ring! absolute sweetness! i'm not a completist but there are so many great vehicles that i will be one by default.

[britcit3]

Who would have thought that after so many years of eroding the micro/AF lines, that Hasbro would come so good!

The Invisible Hand looks amazing.

BC3

[britcit3]

Just seen the pics of the Ep3 Naboo Cruiser, Clones Wars Anakins Jedi SF & the Blue Naboo SF.


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!


BC3

[Kidhuman]

whaddya mean, kh? you didn't like the titanium line before? ;)


I liked it alot prior, now I am loving it officially.

[sergiurusu]

The AOTC JSF with the hyperdrive ring is really cool. That is something I need to get even if I'm not into Titaniums

[LTBasker]

Oooh, an ARC-170 with Clone Wars "shark" paintscheme!
http://www.galactichunter.com/absoluteig/gallery.asp?action=viewimage&categoryid=3954&text=&imageid=18145&box=&shownew=

And a black ROTS Jedi Starfighter, Swampspeeder with muddy look and AT-RT pilots instead of regular Clones, an AT-AT with Endor paintscheme and the silver ship is Padme's ship in ROTS, the one in AOTC looked like a Stealth Bomber.

[shinakuma43]

I just spent 45 minutes trying to place my order (limit of 1 in case anyone was curious) only to have the site become totally unresponsive as I was trying to confirm the order. Hopefully they'll be available later, I can't sit here all day trying to place the order.

Later,
S43

[RJarvis]

holy cr@p! i'm in shock that hasbro has finally listened to at least someone with a level head and is actually producing titaniums that we want rather than just a load of old nonsense...i'm REALLY excited about grievous' fighter, the naboo skiff, the jsf with hyperspace ring nad unlike jeditricks, i'm stoked about anakin's fighter from clone wars...

very cool...hasbro has gone up about "this much" in my opinion...:thumbsup:

rj

[pegger]

These titaniums look FANTASTIC!!!

I'm SO happy...

they probably won't come to Canada tho....

[pegger]

Looks like Grevious' starfighter is in there too!!!

[vulcantouch]

. . .since i already have that paintjob in mm form i'll likely wait for the blue e3 scheme you Know is coming ;)
offhand can anyone here identify the source &/or significance of lucas naming greivous' flagship Invisible Hand? (and no fair googling adam smith :greedy: )

[LTBasker]

I reckon it's a metaphor of how Star Wars reaches more and more into your wallet and you never even notice. :p

[Slicker]

offhand can anyone here identify the source &/or significance of lucas naming greivous' flagship Invisible Hand? (and no fair googling adam smith :greedy: )If I'm not mistaken it's the title of a book about business or marketing. I know it has SOMETHING to do with money

[figrin bran]

come on vulcan, at least give LTBasker bonus points for that one! :thumbsup:

slicker, the title of the book is The Wealth of Nations. or actually something longer than that.

[britcit3]

Even more pics up now..........

Sith Speeder, Dagobah X-Wing, Black paint job Gunship & muddied Swamp Speeder.

Thats it - I'm going to have to get an evening job too.

BC3

(Will be giving the Dewback a miss though!!).

[Warstar]

With all this stuff here, it's like Hasbro read this very forum to get all of their ideas- here's a list of all the new stuff from SDCC that's been pictured on various sites so far (so everyone can catch up) :

3" Titanium Series:

-ARC-170 Clone Wars Deco
-AOTC Obi-Wan's Red JSF with Hyperspace Ring
-AT-TE (YAY!!!)
-Endor AT-AT (Mentioned in the 5-Pack Thread about a month ago! (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=31898))
-Patrol Dewback
-General Grievous' Starfighter (ROTS)
-AT-ST
-Darth Vader's ROTS style JSF Black
-Swampspeeder ROTS "Green/Dirty" deco
-Tantive IV (Red as seen in Star Wars: A New Hope)
-Episode 3 Royal Starship (Flying Wing) from Mustafar
-Y-Wing with DIFFERENT Red markings than the 5-Pack #3 version
-BLUE Naboo Starfighter (Where was this in the movies?)
-Anakin Skywalker's Clone Wars JSF
-Invisible Hand (General Grievous' flagship)
-Speederbike with Paploo (Ewok)
-Darth Maul on Sith Speeder

That's 17 NEW 3" Titaniums- 10 ALL-NEW molds with 7 repaint/re-tools.

WOW! At this rate, what's Hasbro going to have left to show at Toyfair 2007? :D

Is Hasbro displaying any Ultra Titaniums at the Con? Anyone?

[britcit3]

Ay-karumba

BC£

[Warstar]

Ay-karumba

BC£

I second that...

It's weird when you put it all into perspective like that, too!

AND The Purple JSF, Leia Speederbike, TIE Interceptor and B-Wing are all still due to be released, too!

I'm going to be POOR! :(

[LTBasker]

-BLUE Naboo Starfighter (Where was this in the movies?)


Battle for Naboo on the N64, the blue were "Police" variants. I've actually mentioned this earlier, I think I mentioned it in a thread for ships in general we wanted but I definitely mentioned it in the 5-pack thread.



That's 17 NEW 3" Titaniums- 10 ALL-NEW molds with 7 repaint/re-tools.

Actually, looking on Rebelscum it seems that there are some other repaints.

X-wing with dagobah muck
X-wing with what looks like Red 2 (Wedge) markings
Snowspeeder with grey markings
Gunship with black markings
TIE Fighter with grittier look
TIE Bomber with grittier look
Tri-Droid with more grey areas

http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/preview-Hasbro2/image56.asp
http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/preview-Hasbro2/image55.asp

So..24 Titaniums total, 10 new, 14 repaint/retooled.

Also the Star Destroyer shown next to the ARC-170 has the markings as the Silver Death Star 5-pack, so it's a new carded repaint.

Hasbro has released a total of 3 variants for the figure scale AOTC Starfighter and has a 4th one coming out so I imagine we'll be seeing those.

[Warstar]

COOL that they're making that Blue Naboo Starfighter then- good call on your premonition! :D Told you it seems like they read our threads here and based some of the new stuff on what we suggested :p

SO! To recap again:

3" Titanium Series:

1. ARC-170 Clone Wars Deco
2. AOTC Obi-Wan's Red JSF with Hyperspace Ring
3. AT-TE
4. Endor AT-AT
5. Patrol Dewback
6. General Grievous' Starfighter (ROTS)
7. AT-ST
8. Darth Vader's ROTS style JSF Black
9. Swampspeeder ROTS "Green/Dirty" deco
10. Tantive IV (Red as seen in Star Wars: A New Hope)
11. Episode 3 Royal Starship (Flying Wing) from Mustafar
12. Y-Wing with DIFFERENT Red markings than the 5-Pack #3 version
13. BLUE Naboo Starfighter (Where was this in the movies?)
14. Anakin Skywalker's Clone Wars JSF
15. Invisible Hand (General Grievous' flagship)
16. Speederbike with Paploo (Ewok)
17. Darth Maul on Sith Speeder
18. Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter with Dagobah 'muck"
19. Wedge Antille's X-Wing Fighter (Red 2)
20. Snowspeeder with battle-damage (safe to say it won't be "clean" like the old Wal-Mart Wave 2's)
21. Republic Gunship with Black markings
22. TIE Fighter with battle-damage
23. TIE Bomber with battle-damage
24. Federation Droid Tri-Fighter with Squadron Colors (?) / Gray deco
25. GOLD Millennium Falcon (Lest we forget...)

That's 25 NEW 3" Titaniums- 10 ALL-NEW molds with 15 repaint/re-tools.

Thanks for the info/update there!

What WILL Hasbro show at Toy Fair 2007, ya know? I mean, DANG! :Par:

ALSO-

Would those possible AOTC JSF variants all include the Hyperspace Ring? AND is that Hyperspace removable from the fighter itself (if so, then I am doubly-impressed with Hasbro for finally making the thing. If not, eh, I'll live :))

[Kidhuman]

I am loving the Ewok on speeder. I am almost in tears here I am so happy.

[figrin bran]

Warstar, you figure that they can't possibly release all of these before the next Toyfare and so i'm sure we'll see some of these there. and if they do somehow release all of these before then, aye caramba indeed! time to take out a loan! ;)

i'm so thrilled about all these new additions that even if hasbro didn't have any action figures planned for next year, i still would be happy.

[Jangu Fett]

I can't stop drooling, if the Jedi Starfighter and Hyperdrive booster wasn't enough. RS is reporting that there WILL be Expanded Universe ships included with those already seen. Including the OUTRIDER. NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO RULE!!!!

[Warstar]

Outrider? THE Outrider? WOW! :D :D :D

I want the Virago then, too! :p And the TIE Defender and the E-Wing and and and- *Faints*

[JediTricks]

unlike jeditricks, i'm stoked about anakin's fighter from clone wars...Well, I own the action figure one and it always hits me as a silly toy, very Hasbro toyetic, not very Star Warsy.


is that Hyperspace removable from the fighter itself (if so, then I am doubly-impressed with Hasbro for finally making the thing. If not, eh, I'll live :))It is removable, you can seen the separation line between the 2.


There's mention of an Outrider in the line for next year as well, Titanium Series 3" is going to be my favorite Hasbro line of all time if they keep this up!


On a lesser note, I read that Hasbro said today that the 6" Ultra line wasn't doing well and may stop soon - I can't say I'm even remotely surprised, what the hell were they thinking with this line at $20 a pop?

[Warstar]

Well...

I think Hasbro, in fact, WAS thinking of the Ultra Titanium 6" line as the "Poor Man's Code3." The Ultra's were obviously made to cater to collectors and not to kids, but they seem to have sorta' dropped the ball.

I liked the initial Ultra's (X-Wing and Rep Gunship) because they were evocative of the old Action Fleet line. The Slave 1 falls under this category, too, and is one of my favorite Ultra's as well.

I think I liked them so much because I had owned them in plastic and was able to display those old ones and love those old ones for so long that I liked seeing them in metal and with more detail.

However, the ARC-170 and Droid Tri-Fighter, having never been in plastic, would have been better if they could detach easily from the base.

In fact, looking at the whole line, I think that was/is Hasbro's #1 mistake in the Ultra's- screwing the ships to the base. As much we collector's like displaying them, they are still kinda' neat to hold and examine and to feel the heft (like with the X-Wing and Republic Gunship). The ships should have had quick-release pegs on the base or something to that effect that would allow them to be displayed as well as "played" with easily and without the hassle of a screwdriver. Making them small statues doesn't really work for a lot of people.

I'll still snag the remaining ships that will be out any day now that I need in the line (Darth Vader's TIE Fighter, the Falcon and the Galactica) at least, but I do wonder about the fate of the Ultras that we haven't even seen prototypes of yet (Jedi Starfighter, etc.).

(On a different note- anyone else see the Die-Cast CLASSIC BSG Viper pics on RS? I'm STOKED :D)

[Jangu Fett]

I think you might be mistaken, Warstar. I just looked at the Titanium photos for BSG. The viper that was out of the package was the Mark IV, from the new series. I don't think Hasbro has the rights to the origanal BSG. Sorry.

And from those same photos it looks like the Cylon Raider will be getting a new paint job. All grey. With a dark grey stipe on the wings.

[Warstar]

Well, this thing looks like the classic BSG Viper to me... (http://www.rebelscum.com/sdcc06/sdcc06-HasbroSW2/IMG_0612.JPG)

I see where it has some differences now- but it may as well be the old one, IMHO...:p

The new Cylon paint job is interesting, too...in a good way methinks :)

[JediTricks]

You have to be kidding me, the SCREWS are too much trouble for ADULT COLLECTORS?!? They're friggin' cross-head screws, they're not a Rubiks Cube for god's sake, they keep the item from being obliterated during shipping, as well as eliminating the need for complex and valueless tray inserts that the WM ones had. Honestly, I can drum up half a dozen good reasons why the Ultra 6" failed, but if one of Hasbro's reasons is "collectors don't like things screwed down", I'm going to disown you all because that's just ridiculous. And Action Fleet stands, while wonderful for plastic AF vehicles (except when they weren't, and I bet every Buzz Boarder here at least once complained about AFs that didn't stay on their stands), are nowhere near strong enough for the die casts.

And BTW, what's a "Mark IV" Viper? I've never heard of that, the new show has the Mark II and the Mark VII, and what WS is linking to is indeed a Titanium classic Colonial Viper: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Colonial_viper_original-series.JPG

[pegger]

I'm really disappointed that there won't be any more 6" titaniums.

[Jangu Fett]

My mistake. I didn't see that. I was wrong, I was under the impression that Hasbro didn't have the classic series rights. Oh well. I'm glad, I was wrong about the photos.

Sorry about the mix-up in which version it was. I mean, the show hasn't been on in how many months, now? And none of the stores around my area don't carry the BSG magazine anymore.

I mad we, most likely, will not see the Ultra JSF. I was hoping for a V-Wing and a Colonial Viper. Mark II or VII. For next year.

[dindae]

The fact that the Ultra line may is end is not surprising. What is surprising is that Target hasn't thrown the Tri-Fighter / Arc-170 on clearance. I guess it's just because they looking at it as a continuing line.

[britcit3]

That was definately a Viper MkI - cool - looks just the the Konami version.

BC3

[Jangu Fett]

I really want to see the classic Cylon Raider and Basestar. I wonder if we'll see the newer version Basestar as well?

[JediTricks]

I really want to see the classic Cylon Raider and Basestar. I wonder if we'll see the newer version Basestar as well?
Yeah, I'd like to see those as well.

I bet we will see the modern Basestar.

It's funny, thinking back on the first new Titanium Series 3" sculpts, they were embarassingly poor, but all this new stuff looks quite top notch, I wonder what changed.

[Jangu Fett]

Now that Hasbro said they'll be doing EU ships for the titanium line. I'm dying for the Eclipse Super Star Destroyer, a Dreadnaught and Nym's Havoc. With the Outrider coming next year I'd bet we also see the Stinger and Verigo. Maybe even the Hounds Tooth and IG-2000.

As for the Ultras I hoping Hasbro will still release the Jedi Starfighter. And decide to continue the line for another year. I'd love to have a Raptor Scout and classic BSG Cylon Raider.

[Warstar]

I'm going to disown you all because that's just ridiculous

On the contrary- the screws, to me, detract from the "toy" value of the Ultra line and thereby destroy the Ultra's sale to a larger market.

I'm not saying that the Ultra's failed solely because of their base attachments- I am saying that the base situation is a HUGE factor in the poor sales of the ships.

Sure the cross-head screws are easy to undue for the adult collectors that the line is aimed at BUT- as Hasbro themsleves like to say- they try to reach the widest deomgraphic possible. Like it or not, we collector's are still only a small portion of the toy market, with the other, MUCH LARGER portion are the millions of parents who buy their kids something to play with- sometimes not even knowing what it is but they're getting it because their kid wants it. When the parents see the Ultra line, they see it's screwed to a base- "permanently" attached, thus it doesn't look like a "toy" but a small statue. No parent in their right mind is going to buy little 6-year old Billy Jim Joe-Bob an Ultra because they'll get bored with it on the stand. Also, parents who casually like to buy toys will be more likely to pass up the Ultra's and buy something else that has more play value simply because they look like collectibles and not toys.

I didn't say get rid of the stands or bases- I simply think that the ships should be easily detachable from the base- like via lever or even some kind of spring-loaded latch or SOMEthing other than screws. Casual toy buyers will be more likely buy the Ultra's then- and we collectors could have our cake and eat it too. As for the tray inserts and other "useless" stuff, all Hasbro would need to do to the Ultra line is put one of their infamous long clear-plastic with metal innards twisty-tie around the ship and its base to keep the latched ship from popping off of it in shipping; it really wouldn't be that much trouble.

Bottom line is I don't think Hasbro really knew what to expect with the Ultra line- thus they sort of put it in the toy aisle when really I think the line should have been available through a more adult-oriented exclusive venue (like HasbroToyShop.com) or something- they might have done better.

I assume, JT, some of your reasons why the line failed include the price-point, the lack of play features,(which subtley reinforces my "easily removable from the base" argument ;)), and the lack of pilots (yet another "toy" value).

What are some of the reasons why you think the line is failing, JT?

[figrin bran]

What are some of the reasons why you think the line is failing, JT?

if people besides JT can chime in, the first wave for this line that wasn't an exclusive was the ARC-170 and the Droid Fighter. not exactly the most iconic of SW vehicles, if you ask me. i wonder if wave 2 (snowspeeder, slave 1) had been wave 1, would things be different? if nothing else, wave 2 doesn't seem to warm the shelves as much as wave 1.

not that i bought wave 2 either since i already own them in galoob action fleet versions and even though they're made of "titanium" the price point is high enough that i can't justify buying the new versions. compouding the problem is that i got most of my action fleets at clearance prices.

[Warstar]

I rather enjoy and prefer the metal (and even the lack thereof) of the Ultras as compared to the Action Fleet ships. I admire Hasbro for not making the line ALL re-hashes of the old AF molds as well, as it shows that they really were attempting to make the line unique and special.

For example, I like the look of the new AT-AT a little better than the old AF versions. I also like the Snowspeeder ship mold itself better (but the stupid "pilots" RUINED the ship over all, unfortunately).

Point being we all know that there is a lot of potential for this line; and while Hasbro seems to have listened to our 3" Titanium Series demands (almost eerily, I might add- I mean they're making ships we here have all wanted for a long time- to me it's almost creepy that they finally heard us :D) they have apparently turned a deaf ear to what we want out of their Ultra Titanium line.

[Blue2th]

Yeah, I'd like to see those as well.

I bet we will see the modern Basestar.

It's funny, thinking back on the first new Titanium Series 3" sculpts, they were embarassingly poor, but all this new stuff looks quite top notch, I wonder what changed.
I noticed that too as I was looking at them at SDCC. The Colonial Viper MK I was alot more detailed than any previous BSG's. As well as the newer SW Titaniums. Maybe Hasbro has been lurking the forums and finding out the paint apps on some is lacking, as if they didn't know. Let's hope these are the finals and not prototypes. I didn't see any of these new ones in packaging.

[Jangu Fett]

Can you imagine the same quality of detailing on the BSG classic Viper on some of the new EU ships?:D Hasbro has already shown us Anakin's "Clone Wars" Fighter. But what about the Outrider, or some other Clone Wars Cartoon ships, with this level of detail? Assajj Ventress Fanblade Fighter, Dirge on a Swoop Bike, the Republic V-19 Torrent Fighters. Not to mention the ships from the films that were not done yet. Anakin's and Zam's Airspeeders, Goenosian Fighter, Spider Droid, Republic Assult Ship, Dooku on Geonosian Speeder, Solar Sailer, Tank Droid and my personal favorite the V-Wing Starfighter.

Of course, if Hasbro does all these ships, plus what was all ready shown. We'll all need 2 jobs.

Small price to pay. Right?:thumbsup:

[SWAFMAN]

Is it possible that, where there was a pre-existing version (Galoob Die-Cast, etc), Hasbro copied the older molds in such a way that the new mold for the Titaniums was a generation of detail removed from the original. Like making a photocopy, and then putting the copy on the glass and making a copy of it? Each time, there is a loss of detail.

But with the vehicles where there has never been a previous mold, they would have to make totally new ones, which may account for the sharper detailing? Maybe I am totally wrong?

[Blue2th]

You may be right to a certain extent. Though I think it's not the actual mold that is bad, but the way they are painting them. I have one of the Galoob Republic Cruisers, and the new one though the same mold, has an awful paint job on it compared to the early one. I looked at the next wave of BSG Titaniums on display at SDCC. They were in packages. The paint apps are just as bad as the high rez pictures recently. I hope we get as good paint as the Titaniums that were in the loose display. They looked like final versions, but we'll see.

[Darth Instigator]

titanium rules, I just want them all everytime I see them , nice pics guys!

[JediTricks]

Sure the cross-head screws are easy to undue for the adult collectors that the line is aimed at BUT- as Hasbro themsleves like to say- they try to reach the widest deomgraphic possible. Like it or not, we collector's are still only a small portion of the toy market, with the other, MUCH LARGER portion are the millions of parents who buy their kids something to play with- sometimes not even knowing what it is but they're getting it because their kid wants it. When the parents see the Ultra line, they see it's screwed to a base- "permanently" attached, thus it doesn't look like a "toy" but a small statue. No parent in their right mind is going to buy little 6-year old Billy Jim Joe-Bob an Ultra because they'll get bored with it on the stand. Also, parents who casually like to buy toys will be more likely to pass up the Ultra's and buy something else that has more play value simply because they look like collectibles and not toys.1) Casual parent buyers aren't even going to KNOW it's screwed into place unless they've already bought one.
2) This is hardly the first toy with complex packaging, parents are warned to remove the thousands of twistie ties from pretty much everything Hasbro offers, including all their vastly-popular Transformers kid-selling toy lines.
3) When I was 6, I was fully capable of removing screws from stuff like this and often did.
4) Other die cast collectibles in this pricepoint are ALWAYS screwed down, sometimes just screwed down onto cardboard or styrofoam.


I didn't say get rid of the stands or bases- I simply think that the ships should be easily detachable from the base- like via lever or even some kind of spring-loaded latch or SOMEthing other than screws.I'm sure that will be cheap and easy to produce, just as effective for shipping concerns and product integrity, and won't raise the price and/or lower the overall quality to accomodate the change. :rolleyes:


Casual toy buyers will be more likely buy the Ultra's then- and we collectors could have our cake and eat it too."Causal toy buyers" aren't going to spend $20 for a tiny little Star Wars ship, these things are overpriced for their size and everybody knows it, changing the screws to something else won't change that.


As for the tray inserts and other "useless" stuff, all Hasbro would need to do to the Ultra line is put one of their infamous long clear-plastic with metal innards twisty-tie around the ship and its base to keep the latched ship from popping off of it in shipping; it really wouldn't be that much trouble.It also wouldn't be good for the product, the twisties bend the plastic and screw up the paint on the metal, what you're talking about is going back to the Wal-mart wave's packaging, which is not very collector-friendly since it has to be destroyed to get the toy out.


I assume, JT, some of your reasons why the line failed include the price-point, the lack of play features,(which subtley reinforces my "easily removable from the base" argument ;)), and the lack of pilots (yet another "toy" value).

What are some of the reasons why you think the line is failing, JT?That you're not buying enough of these. :p The line is failing because it's overpriced, more than anything else that is its major flaw, it's simply not $20 worth of product to ANYBODY; other issues are the packaging takes up too much space (this is a shelfspace concern and a case assortment concern, less product on shelves and less product shipped to retailers in a single case), and there are far too few moving parts and features. Honestly, at this point they could continue to abandon the minifigs and I don't think that'd make a serious difference to anybody but hardcore Action Fleet fans.



i wonder if wave 2 (snowspeeder, slave 1) had been wave 1, would things be different? if nothing else, wave 2 doesn't seem to warm the shelves as much as wave 1.The snowspeeder was not originally part of wave 2, it was wave 2.5 and thus got no-packed and then short-packed, it's making a comeback now with wave 3 and 4. The wave 2 Slave I is a shelfwarmer in Targets and WMs (I shouldn't need to tell you that though as you go to a lot of the same stores I do ;)).



Is it possible that, where there was a pre-existing version (Galoob Die-Cast, etc), Hasbro copied the older molds in such a way that the new mold for the Titaniums was a generation of detail removed from the original. Like making a photocopy, and then putting the copy on the glass and making a copy of it? Each time, there is a loss of detail.It is "possible", but unlikely, they're not doing stereolithography with these, they're adapting the older molds and designs to new tooling in the process of making design changes to accomodate the zinc-to-plastic marriages of various parts. That is of course only true of the 6" Ultra line, if we're talking about the 3" line, they're using the exact same Galoob tooling that was already done, and some of thse were just lesser work to begin with (most were even retools from the X-ray molds, some of those molds were great, some like the X-wing were not as good). But my point on the 3"ers was about their new molds that had no generational decay because they were NEW: the AT-RT with no moving parts, the misshapen and plain Ep 3 Jedi Starfighter, the Clone Swampspeeder sporting almost no detailing, those were all lesser entries into the line, few sculpted details, overall lines wrong, etc., but now they've gotten way better.

[jeddah]

The Ultra titaniums (of which I have none as I have no disposable income) are the only thing since the end of AF that could have coaxed me back into collecting. Sure I want all the 3.75” figures but see above re finances. Anyway now that the Ultratites will be cancelled there's not much chance of me returning to collecting.

What makes me laugh re the $20 tag is that in the UK the plastic AF’s retailed at between £12.99 - £14.99 when new. I can’t imagine how much the Ultratites cost here (Britc3??) but I can’t imagine it being far off £20.00.

I do have one question – were the b-wings micro or AF scaled? And when can I get one?

Yours splendidly with a dash of fabulous.

jeddah

[SWAFMAN]

The Ultra titaniums (of which I have none as I have no disposable income) are the only thing since the end of AF that could have coaxed me back into collecting. Sure I want all the 3.75” figures but see above re finances. Anyway now that the Ultratites will be cancelled there's not much chance of me returning to collecting.

What makes me laugh re the $20 tag is that in the UK the plastic AF’s retailed at between £12.99 - £14.99 when new. I can’t imagine how much the Ultratites cost here (Britc3??) but I can’t imagine it being far off £20.00.

I do have one question – were the b-wings micro or AF scaled? And when can I get one?

Yours splendidly with a dash of fabulous.

jeddah

Aw crap. I totally missed that part of this thread ( http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=485692&postcount=36 )
The curse of AF strikes again. Oh well: more $ to use toward Code 3 and Product Enterprise, I guess....

BTW, Jeddah, I don't recall seeing your reply on the music video link I posted to your attention ( http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=474107&postcount=42 ).

[britcit3]

Hey Jeddah

When you can find them (and thats the hard part) - they go for about £25!

Still cheaper to order from USA even with postage usually.

Cheerio

Bc3

[JediTricks]

The Ultra titaniums (of which I have none as I have no disposable income) are the only thing since the end of AF that could have coaxed me back into collecting. Sure I want all the 3.75” figures but see above re finances. Anyway now that the Ultratites will be cancelled there's not much chance of me returning to collecting.They probably will be cancelled, but it's not yet set in stone.


What makes me laugh re the $20 tag is that in the UK the plastic AF’s retailed at between £12.99 - £14.99 when new. I can’t imagine how much the Ultratites cost here (Britc3??) but I can’t imagine it being far off £20.00.Nothing personal, but everything like this on your soggy little island costs more, you are seen as a small market that's expensive to import to and deemed unimportant by most toy companies.


I do have one question – were the b-wings micro or AF scaled? And when can I get one?Titanium 3" vehicles, should be any day now.

[jeddah]

Thanks for the responses guys. I’m not so sure I’ll pick the B-wing up
If it is small scale and I don’t like the pointless bronze/gold thrusters.

SWAFFY, my work firewall has not allowed me to view that link so I sent it to my urban shake address and will watch it tonight. You know I don’t think I’ve ever looked in that thread before…

Yeah, JT I know what you mean. Also, I don’t think we have this big toy drive ethos for merchandise franchise items here as you do in the US. Although as we are currently metamorphosing into America 2 I am sure that may change…. And as for soggy? Well, we are gasping here like bullheads in a drying lake… have you not seen the pics of Hyde Park? We’re experiencing a heatwave. People have been passing out and dying on the tube and buses as we haven’t evolved to a state yet where we have AC on public transport (!!!) looky looky (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=396998&in_page_id=1770)


I’m not complaining though. :thumbsup:

jeddah

[jeddah]

BTW, Jeddah, I don't recall seeing your reply on the music video link I posted to your attention ( http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=474107&postcount=42 ).

Now replied to :yes:

[sicqnus]

Price doesn't seem too high as they don't produce 10 new ULTRAs per month. The 1:72 Corgi Airplanes sells for approx $24-$25. That's a collector market.
I still hope they will launch the Ultra JSF. Anyway, all those great new 3" are astonishing. The AT-ST, Grievous Starf, JSF with ring, AT-TE... Wicked ! They will sell like powder in night-clubs...
With the upcoming WOTC Starship battles booster, 2006 will become another back to childhood year.
Will need to rob a bank very soon.

[Warstar]

I dig that Starship Battles WOTC game too- it looks good...I'll have to be "in" on this bank robbery :D

[JediTricks]

Price doesn't seem too high as they don't produce 10 new ULTRAs per month. The 1:72 Corgi Airplanes sells for approx $24-$25. That's a collector market. Which also don't sell to kids in the US, Hasbro's main market. That's what we're talking about here, a major buying audience, Hasbro doesn't want a piece of a small niche market, they want 50,000 sales per entry and that means a nationwide mass-retail market. Go to the toy aisle in any US major retailer and find $20 product that's as small as the TS Ultra line, I don't think you can. Between the small size and the rather "toy" quality of the designs (sorry, but it's the truth) and the limited features, the line doesn't stack up to its pricepoint and it's driving customers away. Granted, it's possibly different in Europe, but that's never going to affect Hasbro's thinking unfortunately, the reality is that the US is the prime sales market, if it doesn't fly here, Hasbro won't bother.


I still hope they will launch the Ultra JSF. I certainly agree. Don't get me wrong, my comments come out of my observations, not any desire to see the TS Ultra line get the axe, I want it to continue and to make great new sets.


With the upcoming WOTC Starship battles booster, 2006 will become another back to childhood year. I was so miffed that WOTC didn't bring those to SDCC, I made Steve go back and double-check.

[vulcantouch]

-more than that, i'll give the actual answer: it refers to a pie-in-the-sky presumption smith made in passing (but which is overemphasized & cited by hypercapitalists to justify their excesses) that when pursuit of one's own selfish economic interests is unfettered by taxes, regulations & whatnot, a godlike "invisible hand" coordinates the effects of all these pursuits into an overall common good :rolleyes: lucas' point was that the result is instead along the lines of "the banking clan will sign your treety" :greedy:

ws: "Die-Cast CLASSIC BSG Viper"
bc3: "looks just (like) the Konami version"
-ain't no Way it'd be as deftly detailed as my konami (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13347&d=1138250090) so i don't even care ;)

"TIE Defender and the E-Wing"
-i'm not crazy about either design but i Might spring for ts renditions of em; it's always nice to have the option :)
-so far for me invisohand'll be a must, as well as greivfighter & e3royal which might turn out ideal candidates for ts formatting due to their metallic finishes :) i'll have to see cwanijsf (which i think ws' listing has neglected so far), purpmace, cwarc170 & black jsfs in person b4 coveting them, but i'll likely spring for e2jsf cuz of its hypring (looks to be a snug fit in the pkg eh?) even tho ship itself'll surely be inferior to my tomy mm-size version (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13328&d=1138163386); hmm, maybe the tomy'll be compatible w/hypring :D ) also doubt i'll bother w/atte since already got tomy 'mm' of same (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13566&d=1142023084), and the rest ain't even on my radar :p

din: "What is surprising is that Target hasn't thrown the Tri-Fighter / Arc-170 on clearance"
-actually one near me did, a few months back. but it was part of clearing out All their titanium figs & whatnots. they stopped carrying any of them until recently, when they restocked only 3" vehicles.

jt: "I own the action figure one"
-personally i'd prolly avoid advertising my ownership of dorky toys ;)

"not doing stereolithography with these"
-are they doing SL with Anything? most figs & ship sculpts still seem clearly hand-done :p

"first new Titanium Series 3" sculpts, they were embarassingly poor, but all this new stuff looks quite top notch"
-indeed; since turbotank & venator i haven't so much minded getting ts ships unavailable in more mm-analogous formats, largely cuz of the quality increase; case in point, on my recent lv-nm (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=485279&postcount=740) trip i bagged a bsg w/a Great paintjob, better than any of the Dozens whose merits i've weighed in stores up here :cool:

jdah: "don’t think we have this big toy drive ethos for merchandise franchise items here as you do"
-the downside of less of that mentality over there: less toy availability. the upside: fewer insufferable, king-sheeyit hummer drivers on your roads :p

sicq: "upcoming WOTC Starship battles booster"
-any ~mm-size ships? if so, anyone have a link to pix? :)

blue: "hope these are the finals and not prototypes"
-alas, protos are invariably showcased at tradeshows & the like, both cuz they're available earlier and cuz they look So much much better than the mill-runs :p

"awful paint job on it compared to the early one"
-remember everyone, dee's legacy is an opportunity to get yourself the original paintjob cheap- iirc she had them both on card and o-o-p (i bagged her the latter for $2) :)
vt

[JediTricks]

jt: "I own the action figure one"
-personally i'd prolly avoid advertising my ownership of dorky toys ;)I dunno, I've seen your posts in your photos threads. :p


"not doing stereolithography with these"
-are they doing SL with Anything? most figs & ship sculpts still seem clearly hand-done :pI think they are using it for copying older Galoob molds to retool them.

[Jangu Fett]

Just wondering if anyone heard anything about the Ultra JSF? A photo, a comment about what version. IF we will see it?

[Warstar]

sicq: "upcoming WOTC Starship battles booster"
-any ~mm-size ships? if so, anyone have a link to pix? :)
vt

He might not but I do. (http://www.the-holocron.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=1)

Only pic out there so far methinks...they look like they might be AF/MM sized in the end, as those 2 Cruisers are supposed to be huge and to some sort of scale...

Already showing up on Ebay, too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-Starship-Battles-Booster-Box-Case-pre-order_W0QQitemZ140011828215QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2537 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-Starship-Battles-by-wizards-Starter-Set_W0QQitemZ140011758573QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2537QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

42 ships in a Booster Case for $85 plus $15 shipping? $4.20 piece? ...-_-;


More to come I am sure :)

[sergiurusu]

He might not but I do. (http://www.the-holocron.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=1)

Only pic out there so far methinks...they look like they might be AF/MM sized in the end, as those 2 Cruisers are supposed to be huge and to some sort of scale...

Already showing up on Ebay, too:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-Starship-Battles-Booster-Box-Case-pre-order_W0QQitemZ140011828215QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2537 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-Starship-Battles-by-wizards-Starter-Set_W0QQitemZ140011758573QQihZ004QQcategoryZ2537QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

42 ships in a Booster Case for $85 plus $15 shipping? $4.20 piece? ...-_-;


More to come I am sure :)

These are going to be really great!!!

[dindae]

I really would like to get into the ship battles but after 3 different CCGs and the a few waves of the figures I have had enough of spending gobs of money to get a complete set of things. Most of the times the best ones are made rare so those would be the ones I want. If these are really cool I might try to pick them up after no one plays the game anymore and complete sets are selling on ebay for penuts.

[JediTricks]

I want to see loose photos of these things, not more boxed art. If they come off their stands and they look good and don't cost too much, I'll likely jump in with both feet (though I have NO idea where the hell I'd find them in this area).

[Warstar]

I agree- I mean if these are cool and well-painted, it might be something I could get into as well- both for the ships and possibly the game (if it's fun :))

Of course, finding others to play with around here? Unlikely...

[sicqnus]

On the Hasbro 3D image (the Starship Battles), the two ships seen through the windows are photoshopped. Just a texture sheet with a shadow layer. We will have a better Idea when we will see clear shots of the final product at the end of the year.
Note : On Ebay, a "preorder" for something to be out in november ? A little early to me to spend such an amount on something you could manage to grab for a cheaper price (probably).

I remember the AT-ST, Hailfire, Flash speeder, etc.. were pretty neat. (Ok, the AT-AT sucks and the plastic is probably too soft for the small pieces).

But if it is one more low quality, ultra expensive, nowhere to be found line : I'll pass, thanks.

[ascmclarencoupe]

I want to see loose photos of these things, not more boxed art. If they come off their stands and they look good and don't cost too much, I'll likely jump in with both feet (though I have NO idea where the hell I'd find them in this area).

JT,

You won't find these at regular retailers like Target, Wal Mart, etc. They are at hobby shops and comic book & collectible type shops. They are pricey though, the AT-AT sells for $49.95. Size wise, I'd say they are a little larger than the AF line was.

Brent

[Jangu Fett]

Only the "HUGE" ones, from the SW Mini-Figure Games are AF size. Like the Hailfire Droid, Rancor, Basalisk War Droid, Desert Skiff, etc.

The Starship mini-game will most likely be around the the MM size, for the fighters anyway. Some of the larger ships like the TF Control Ship, Acclamator, and other capital ships will most likely be the size of the Titaniums. With the exception of the Super Star Destoyer Exector and Mon Cal Star Defender Viscount. Those 2 will probably be the size of the AF.

[ascmclarencoupe]

Ok, that makes sense, you will have to forgive me as I don't follow the role playing stuff. I assumed that these new starships were part of the same game as the mini-figures line which had me puzzled because in the mini-figures game, everything is scaled 1:1 with each other. They obviously won't be able to do that with these starships. Well, maybe with some of them they will.

That is what I really like about Fine Molds ships. Their model kits are all 1:1 with each other but in order to keep that continuity going, they won't realistically be able to do a ship much larger than the recently released Falcon.

Brent

[Jangu Fett]

Thats alright, I don't play. I only collect them because it's close to AF mini-figure size. And seeing as the AF stopped after TPM, it gave me the chance to get mini-figs from the entire SW saga, That were not done for the AF.

I'm really excited about the new Bounty Hunter mini game, only because the set will have a number of Mandalorians. And thats not including Jango or Boba.:thumbsup:

[sergiurusu]

I'm curious which other Capital ships will be released by WOTC. As for the ones already seen in the boxed pics I'd like to see them loose to make an idea about how do they really look comparing to the old AF line.

[sicqnus]

Probably a Blockade Runner vs a StarDestroyer or a Queen Starship vs a Donutship, this kind of duels packs. I'm kinda excited about the Calamari MC80 (90?) vs Imperial SSD. Hope this will be worth it.

[sergiurusu]

If WOTC wants to keep similar sizes for the ships I'm not sure Tantive 4 can go with the Star Destroyer in the same package. But we can wait and see :glasses: