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Tycho
10-10-2006, 07:16 PM
I just bought season 1 on DVD. It's still pretty cool, but perhaps not yet as edgy as The Shield, for those of you who know FX's show.

Still Miami is really enjoyable and features more babes in swimsuits - you have to love that!

The Ferrari's, speedboats, sea planes, and music give it a lot of style.

I just saw Al Bundy appear in an episode (Ed O'Neil) as an undercover FBI agent.

The show is still intense and for Shield fans, features two bad cops at least (the guys' lieutenient is on the take from the Columbian drug cartel, and Sonny knows it - I'm just approaching the 2-part episode where he and Tubbs probably do something about it. Edward James Olmos joins the show at some point as their new lieutenient and remains there throughout the series).

Unlike the movie, Sonny is having an affair with Gina. Rico hasn't made a move on Trudy yet - and I don't remember if he does. We'll get there.

Star Wars' Jimmy Smits (Bail Organa) was in the series "movie debut" as Sonny's first partner that gets killed by a car bomb in a bad drug deal. It wasn't surprising to see Smits playing a cop ;)

The original might be a lot better than the recent movie - but there are a lot of similar shoot-outs at shipyard wherehouses and speedboat chases.

decadentdave
10-10-2006, 09:30 PM
The original Vice is one of my favorite shows of all time. It defined the 80's and still holds up today. I'll take it over that pretentious crap with Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx any day. Don Johnson will always be Sonny Crocket and PMT will always be Ricardo Tubbs. Of course, it would not be Vice without Edward James Olmos as Castillo (Bushido is my favorite ep). It had great atmosphere and style and you can't deny that Jan Hammer contributed so much to the success of Vice. Plus, Crocket's Daytona and Testarossa were the coolest cars ever. I just wish they'd hurry and release the other seasons on DVD. Season 3 was my fav.

Tycho
10-11-2006, 12:25 AM
I just watched the 2-parter where they took speedboats to the Bahamas to track down Calderone and Rico fell in love with his daughter, but she witnessed Sonny shooting him dead and full of holes from an automatic submachine gun.

(Season 1 - I'll buy No. 2 when I finish watching these).

I've heard no word on when they're coming out with Season 3. But I totally agree - I'd much rather have these shows than a collection of movies with Farrel and Foxx. However, the movie did parallel the TV series very well - with about the only difference being that Rico makes the kill shots in the movie, whereas in the episode I just watched, Sonny took care of the nasty business.

And yeah, I love those Jan Hammer tunes - and remember their informant "Izzy." LOL - who can forget that guy?

Anyway, I think the show went 5 years. '84 to '89 I think. I definitely want to collect all the seasons.

The actress that played Gina was hot (Sandra Santiago).

BTW: the seasons have so far been released 10 months apart. We should be due for Season 3 any time now - still no word on BestBuy's site or Wal-Mart's.

Tycho
10-11-2006, 03:07 AM
I just watched an awesome episode guest starring Bruce Willis as an arms dealer trying to unload Stinger missles that terrorists could use to bring down planes.

Rico goes undercover as his buyer while Sonny struggles to not interfere while the guy terribly abuses his wife.

In the end it's revealed that the Federal government uses him to deliver weapons into the hands of Central and South American forces opposed to left-wing regimes or revolutionaries and the CIA plans to have him freed - however his tortured wife has other plans.

That was a darn good episode! They really knew how to write for this show sometimes.

Edward James Olmos is funny installed as Lt. Castillo now (Rico and Sonny's boss). It's funny, as he acts with his eery silence versus a lot of expositionary dialogue.

Tycho
10-12-2006, 01:22 AM
Well, Gina just had to f-k an ugly, hairy chested, balding on top, fat guy who was the pimp behind an escort service. She compromised herself so she didn't blow her cover. She ended up blowing him away though - with her handgun - though we don't really know however else she might have covered that.

Sad but cliche nowadays - what happens to undercover female cops during prostitution sting operations. The worse case scenerio there could be often turns up as a plot device in TV cop shows. It certainly did on The Shield.

Incidently, The Shield is a much better show in so far as the caliber of the acting (by the guest stars - the main characters on both shows are all very talented) but Miami features some exotic locales and very fancy homes and luxury vehicle toys. The Shield is set in (what to me) is a very familiar and gritty side of Los Angeles.

It's not entirely an apples-oranges comparison, but that can be looked at two different ways.

decadentdave
10-12-2006, 02:55 AM
You have to remember, Tycho, that this show is 20 years old. The standards have changed dramatically since then. The Shield has an MA rating and they can use profanity and nudity and portray a much more grittier realism than Vice could on prime-time network television. Still, Vice was pretty gritty for its day.

Oh, and that bald, hairy chested man Gina had to sleep with was Burt Young a.k.a. Paulie, yo!

El Chuxter
10-12-2006, 08:39 AM
Tycho, do you belong to the city? :)

Tycho
10-12-2006, 09:39 AM
Tycho, do you belong to the city? :)

Yeah, but I'm just not one of The Village People.

Dave, I'm all too aware of the different ratings standards that The Shield can get away with because it's on a cable channel. I think that even if it weren't 20 years ago, Miami Vice would still have to be somewhat tame if it were on network television now, today.

Back in the day, I was a kid when that show came on (arond 10 years old) and my mom didn't want me watching it and likely asking "why is Gina going upstairs with that dirty, old man?" - that sort of thing. I'm sure The Shield would not have won any points with her.

Why do we protect kids from seeing or knowing about that stuff? I think they can grow up able to better cope with the world if they're exposed to it. And it helps if it has a good soundtrack ;)

Tycho
10-13-2006, 04:11 AM
Castillo is emerging as a great character in the two-part episode I just watched (Golden Triangle) in which we learn that he was a DEA agent operating in Southeast Asia and married a girl while he was stationed there. He was sold out by US CIA though and barely escaped with his life. He thought his wife was killed in a hit as well. He left Thailand then. The US was patronizing Thai drug lords to hold on to stability in the region after Vietnam, etc. Castillo was doing his job by the book.

Well his wife wasn't killed but believed he had been or he abandoned her because she was easy to leave behind, not being American. She married another man and had a child with him. Wow! Talk about finding out some shockers over 5 years later!

Anyway, when a Thai drug lord tries to set up shop in Miami, he uses the threat of bieng able to kill Castillo's estranged wife as a means to try and control the police action against him in Miami, but the Vice Squad team help their lieutenient save the day in the end.

There's a really nice Lamborghini in this one!

decadentdave
10-13-2006, 01:05 PM
Just wait until you see Bushido. Best Castillo episode ever. And Crocket's Testarossa in Season 3 rules.

pbarnard
10-13-2006, 01:21 PM
Why do we protect kids from seeing or knowing about that stuff? I think they can grow up able to better cope with the world if they're exposed to it. And it helps if it has a good soundtrack ;)

Beyond the development of the synapses to regions of the brain that would enable them to process it? Also waiting for endocrine development that can turn on and off emotions and reactions to those things?

On a side note, what happens when Nash Bridges meets Sonny Crocket? Does Cheech go up in smoke? :ninja:

decadentdave
10-13-2006, 01:43 PM
Philip Michael Thomas made guest appearances on Nash Bridges. And Cheech didn't go up in smoke.

Tycho
10-13-2006, 03:25 PM
Beyond the development of the synapses to regions of the brain that would enable them to process it? Also waiting for endocrine development that can turn on and off emotions and reactions to those things?

You're the doc, Doc. You made a good argument.

I don't know the medical answers to those things. I also don't know if the research in that area is solid, but I liked your answer as it gave me pause to think about something new.

However, I did sneak out of bed and downstairs to secretly watch Miami Vice when I was about 10 years old, and I don't ever recall anything I saw on that show, traumatizing me. I do remember one episode about a eunuch (spelling - it's a guy who had his **** and ***** cut off - this case as a POW in 'Nam) and he killed Miami prostitutes for revenge he could never satisfy. I don't think I have that episode on Sn 1 and I only know Sn 2 (out of 5) has been also released - but I really remember that episode because I would so not like to go on with life without having my equipment ;) I'm not sure if that's what you'd call affecting me as a child or not, but I clearly remember the subject of that episode.

I know it was television, but also that this sort of thing probably happened in POW camps of most wars - yet I don't think that sort of thing would be viewed by me any differently as an adult now, than when I was quite a young child.

I also knew why Gina went upstairs with the ugly, fat, hairy, bald dude and felt bad for her and glad that she got to shoot him dead at the end of the episode. Then and now it affected me the same.

I don't know if I was different than a lot of kids at that age or what - but many of us had to sneak around our parents to watch Miami Vice.

Tycho
10-13-2006, 09:56 PM
My last season 1 disc (side A) has some scratches I'm trying to polish off. It's terrible in that Tubbs is held hostage by a street gang in a slum building with other hostages. The dudes tried to rape a girl but shot her brother when he tried to interfere. They've already killed one cop and my disc goes bad. It's the 2nd to last episode on that side, so I fear for the final one as well.

I hate finding my receipts for these things and going back to the store and doing exchanges and hoping all the other discs are cool in the new set - or having to rewatch the episodes on the spot to verify that they are.

I'm still hoping that my polish & repair kit can handle this. It seemed to have already cleared up a part (a conversation between Crockett and Castillo that plays fine now) - so I might just have a little more work to do. But in disc-sets like this one - this gets to be a pain.

I had some trouble with my Star Trek: Enterprise discs in this manner as well.

Tycho
10-14-2006, 10:30 PM
Amazing! Best Buy has heard of good customer service!

I went in with my bad disc - not the whole set as I didn't want to rewatch the episodes I'd already seen over again to make sure new discs were OK. I just brought the bad Disc 3 - with my receipt - and Best Buy's customer service girl had me go get a new Ssn 1 off the shelf and she opened it and gave me disc 3 to put in my box - No troubles at all.

I'm going to go watch it shortly.

Pretty cool. Here I thought I was going to have trouble.

I also bought Season 2 from them. They definitely earned my business!

decadentdave
10-15-2006, 12:01 AM
My last season 1 disc (side A) has some scratches I'm trying to polish off. It's terrible in that Tubbs is held hostage by a street gang in a slum building with other hostages. The dudes tried to rape a girl but shot her brother when he tried to interfere. They've already killed one cop and my disc goes bad. It's the 2nd to last episode on that side, so I fear for the final one as well.

I hate finding my receipts for these things and going back to the store and doing exchanges and hoping all the other discs are cool in the new set - or having to rewatch the episodes on the spot to verify that they are.

I'm still hoping that my polish & repair kit can handle this. It seemed to have already cleared up a part (a conversation between Crockett and Castillo that plays fine now) - so I might just have a little more work to do. But in disc-sets like this one - this gets to be a pain.

I had some trouble with my Star Trek: Enterprise discs in this manner as well.

I had a problem with the Voodoo episode disc freezing up and since it was past the return date I had to e-mail Universal Home Video and mail them the defective disc. They sent me a corrected replacement disc within 3 weeks. Apparently there was something in the authoring that only affected certain brands of players. I guess they've had numerous issues with their dual-layer DVD-18's.

Tycho
10-15-2006, 12:42 AM
Those are when the episodes are put on the front and back of the DVD's?

My A-Team collection is like that (Season 2 and then on I think). And yeah, Miami Vice is written that way.

I don't think I saw a VooDoo episode yet. Is that Season 1?

I just bought Season 2 but I've only opened it to check out the presentation. Unlike the A-Team which went with just plastic disc holders, Season 2 of Miami Vice is nicely laid out in a book-style disc holder. I'll look forward to watching those episodes later next week. I'm finishing Season 1, Disc 3 - still on side A as I have to re-watch 2 I just saw because I have that new disc and I want to check it all out.

As I posted above, Best Buy was very cool and just gave me a new copy of the disc I needed instead of making me chance getting any bad copies of discs 1 or 2 in a whole new set. I don't want to watch those over again right now. - but it was a great show and I'm glad I own this series.

I just watched the Smugglers' Blues with Glenn Frey guest-starring as a cociane smuggler pilot for Crockett and Tubbs' trip to Columbia. Pretty cool.
Tubbs jumped off a bridge into the dirty cop's cigarette boat, punched him a few good times, and finally shot him. He had Trudy held hostage in a trailer and wired with explosives. It very much reminded me of the recent movie with Ferrell and Foxx.

decadentdave
10-15-2006, 01:00 AM
He had Trudy held hostage in a trailer and wired with explosives. It very much reminded me of the recent movie with Ferrell and Foxx.

Don't remind me. Michael Mann ripped himself off.

Tycho
10-15-2006, 03:04 AM
Yeah, I totally like the TV series cast better than the movie.

I didn't see Dukes of Hazzard, but I heard it was the same thing.

And I don't think there needs to be an A-Team movie either - or a prequel story could work for that and we see them in Vietnam and get set up and so forth, then the trial and escape to Los Angeles. They can use a younger cast for that because the TV series took place 10 years AFTER those events.

The Miami Vice movie didn't totally annoy me. Jamie Foxx did a better job filling Rico's shoes than did Collin Ferrell with portraying Sonny. But while the movie lacked Don Johnson there, it certainly lacked Edward James Olmos!

The TV show kicked the movie's butt - and the movie felt like just a 2-hour TV special anyway.

Tycho
10-15-2006, 08:48 PM
Doesn't Don Johnson think that he's gay now?

I just watched an interesting episode: "Evan."

Sonny's old Academy buddy Evan Freed is an ATF agent now with a death wish. Apparently, he and another guy, Mike, came through their training together and joined the force together.

Mike refused to go on stings in gay bars because he'd be recognized - he was gay.

Evan transferred out of Miami Metro Police because he didn't want to work with him because he was gay.

Sonny didn't know what to say or do. The department was trying to retire Mike as they discriminated pretty badly against gays.

Mike apparently got himself shot in a gas station robbery while he was off-duty. It was probably an attempt at suicide they think. (or it could have been him trying to prove he was as brave as any "man's man" on the force - but they'll never know.)

Both Evan and Sonny have felt guilty about that for years. Sonny confesses the story up to Rico.

Well, Evan felt he couldn't live with himself after that and wound up getting killed by a gun-runner in this episode.

It's interesting because it does drive home sympathy for the gays' plight and if Don Johnson is an experimenting homosexual these days (I hate labels - that this person IS gay or something - he lived most of his life as a heterosexual - so are gay people going to say he wasn't really True-Straight then? Nah - I still think a lot of people have choices) - the topic is very interesting - and progressive for '80's TV (this episode was 1985).

Anyway, it was pretty unexpected for Miami Vice.

The show ends in a typical shoot-out in a currently deserted shipyard in the middle of the night (as seen in the movie, and about every-other-episode).

decadentdave
10-15-2006, 09:33 PM
Tycho, what does that have to do with Don Johnson's sexuality? He is a married man. I agree with your assessment of the episode. Evan was one of the critically stand-out episodes from the first season. Although the subject matter did nothing for me I was more impressed by the dramatic opening with the cool use of Peter Gabriel's Rythym of the Heat and the performance of the actor who played Evan as a crazy loose wire cop. Remember the scene where he pulls the gun on Sonny because you will see it again later in an episode called "A Bullet For Crockett" when Sonny is shot and in the emergency room, the episode is a montage of flashbacks throughout the series (this was writen during a writer's strike year, hence the cliched cheat use of stock flashbacks) but poignant in that it is a summation of Crockett's character. There is also another great episode where Crockett accidentally shoots a kid and is overcome with guilt while under investigation and builds to an explosive scene in Castillo's office with really great performances by DJ and Olmos.

"What do you say Crockett? One for you? One for me? Sonny, do you ever think that somewhere there's a bullet with your name on it?"

"You're a sick man Freed."

Tycho
10-15-2006, 10:06 PM
I don't know the details of Don Johnson's sexuality. I heard somewhere that he was divorced and dating men now. I don't care or hold it against him. I maintain that people should be able to do whatever they want. I too really picture him as a straight man, however.

But, this episode drove home some consequences of prejudiced thought (which burned that guy Mike so bad, he wound up getting himself killed).

I know that I am guilty of feeling like Evan may have, but I've worked with gay men before and never had any drive to quit and leave a job so I wouldn't be around them. If I've expressed dislike for the gay lifestyle, it is moreso my being upset with gay men I do NOT know, and who do NOT know me - and their pride parades and use as a morality target for Republicans to turn out people voting against the Democrats on the grounds they thought they were morally superior. It's insulting and Mark Folley's scandal is quite gratifying for that reason. There's so much hypocrisy and stupidity involved in that whole phenomenon.

It really was a groundbreaking, make-you-think episode. And yeah, the actor playing Evan did a really good job. I like the scene on Crockett's boat with the gun threat that you pointed out. That was a tense moment!

I have one episode left from Season 1 to watch. Then it's Season 2.

I have no information on when or if Season 3 will be made available. That's been bothering me. I want all 5 years!

decadentdave
10-15-2006, 11:44 PM
Well according to IMDB, he is still maried to Kelley Phleger (29 April (http://www.imdb.com/OnThisDay?day=29&month=April) 1999 (http://www.imdb.com/MarriedInYear?1999) - present) 3 children. Last interview with DJ I saw he was happily married having been twice divorced from Melanie Griffith. I wouldn't give any ethereal tabloid rumors much credence anymore than about as much as I can speculate with a degree of absolute certainty Tom Cruise being in the closet. Anyway, what matters is the performances and the show has many good ones. It was basically a Who's Who of the 80's featuring guest stars like Bruce Willis who played a real slimeball unlike anything he's portrayed on film. What I love about Vice is the vibe and the characters. It's all good.

Tycho
10-15-2006, 11:58 PM
I saw Bruce Willis' appearance on Miami Vice. He was totally cool for a bad guy - though the wife-beating thing was not at all classy. I wouldn't have used Slime-ball to describe his character. Tyrannical applies. So does Fascist.

Did you ever see Willis in The Jackal? He paid a high-price, classy assasin working for the Russian Mafia. His performance as the bad guy in that one would be equally impressive to you if you liked his baddie in Miami Vice.

I just watched Lombard, in which that actor made his second appearance as Crockett and Tubbs tried to protect him so he could testify against the Italian Mafia. Really good acting and a very cool episode. The guy was a mob boss and indirectly a very responsible killer - who in the past led to the execution-death of one of Sonny's ex-girlfriends. The show was really something and insightful about the mob.

decadentdave
10-15-2006, 11:58 PM
Damn Tycho, you got me all fixated on Vice now! I may have to watch some Bushido tonight just so I can hear Kate Bush's Hello Earth when Castillo gets it or Little Miss Dangerous that has one of the show's great endings to Public Image Limited's Order of Death. Season 2 was great. Season 3 was my fave but I'll be honest, Season 4 with Sheena Easton was awful until the last few episodes and Season 5 had its moments but you could tell the show had run its course and the departure of Jan Hammer really lost a lot of the style and atmosphere. The best part of seasons 4 and 5 is the arc where Sonny loses his memory and thinks he's Burnett and becomes a corrupt hit man for an Italian mafioso. I do wish they'd hurry up and release them all.

Tycho
10-16-2006, 12:06 AM
Have you heard anything about Season 3?

How do you remember the later shows so well? Do you have bootlegs or old video-tapings?

decadentdave
10-16-2006, 12:31 AM
I had a few old videotapes left over from their original broadcasts and I retaped the entire series when they were rebroadcast in syndication a few years back. I was going to transfer them to DVD but I figured I'd wait for the official DVD releases with remastered 5.1 Dolby. I haven't heard zip about season 3 but I figured it would be released about the time of the movie.

I'm watching Bushido. What a great ep. Olmos directed it. Brilliant.

Tycho
10-16-2006, 01:58 AM
What season is Bushido?

I'm watching "Prodigal Son," the Ssn 2 opener that was a 2 hour special when Rico returns to New York with Sonny. I had to take a break for the moment.

But they played "You Belong to the City" along with U2 "In The Name of Love," to go along with this great story.

It started amazingly in Columbia where Crockett and Tubbs witnessed a guy being tortured to death for information about the drug shipments.

Then there was a raid in the Everglades on swamp skimmer fan-boats (forgot what they're called but they make you look for Gentle Ben, haha).

Now the boys are in New York.

This fast blonde hooked up with Sonny and stole his gun. He still had the ankle 'blaster' and that saved him and Rico when the Columbians tried to kill them in New York.

I liked the dialogue between Sonny and that girl - how they met and wound up going home together. I had a real life experience like that. Some girls are like that and enjoy men that don't kiss up to them but are hardarses instead. Sonny handled her well, I'd say.

Rico and his ex-girl Val are another story. She has him all wound up tight.

This is a great episode thus far. I tried to see if there are WTC shots in the New York panoramic views, but I couldn't ID the buildings. I honestly don't know when they were built. This episode was fall 1985 originally.

decadentdave
10-16-2006, 02:17 AM
Bushido is on disc 2 side A. Season 2 has some winners. "Out Where the Buses Don't Run" with Bruce McGill as a goofball ex-cop and David Strathairn from Good Night and Good Luck with another terrific ending to Dire Straits Brother's In Arms. The finale is a good one because it brings back an old enemy. :)

Tycho
10-16-2006, 02:29 AM
Dave, you might like this:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=99663247

I know the song comes from the rip-off movie, but it does suit my taste. "In The Air Tonight" is so "Miami Vice" more than any other song is (other than perhaps Jan Hammer's stuff)

This one is from the TV series we know and love:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=36186555

Here's a few more including Phil Collins (Long Way To Go):

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=56203425

I wished I found a link to Collins' original "In the Air Tonight."

Dude, Johnson and Thomas can't be THAT old that they couldn't have come back and done a movie! I don't know about Olmos either.

Yeah, anything they did might seem like a glorified TV episode - might. However, they could've even been finally killed in the movie and some new generation of Vice cops could begin - maybe even Crockett's son would be involved, following in the footsteps of his father. That would have been an impassioned story with maybe James Franco or someone as Crockett's grown-up son.

By the way, here are the brand new action figures, that even include Elvis. However, I think that you'll agree that they totally suck. I would have loved it if Art Asylum or SideShow did these:

http://cgi.ebay.com/MIAMI-VICE-SERIES-1-ACTION-FIGURE-SET-NEW-IN-STOCK_W0QQitemZ260039869600QQihZ016QQcategoryZ348Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260039869600

decadentdave
10-16-2006, 03:53 AM
Yeah, I got the action figures. I'm not a fan of the exagerrated charicatures but they are the REAL Vice cops so I had to get them. It would be cool if Sideshow or Hot Toys made 12" figures. I'd buy them in a.... if you'll excuse the bad Don Johnson song... Heartbeat.

I can't stand anything associated with the movie. It was a mistake and I knew it when I heard they were filming it without DJ or PMT. I do not like re-imaginings in any form (don't get me started on Galactica, don't even mention it) but there is no way they could have continued where the series ended (you'll see why). It would have to have been an alternate reality storyline and would definitely have to address the fact that Crockett and Tubbs are two aging Vice cops that had been on the force for most of their careers and were tired of dealing with the corrupt judicial system and were beginning to enforce their own system of personal justice (that they could get away with). I don't think I could buy that Sonny's son followed in his footsteps. Caroline took him away from Sonny because she did not want him exposed to that lifestyle so I think he would have chosen a different career, maybe even became a football player that Sonny wanted to be before he injured himself. The problem with most of these franchises being made into films is that they waited 20 years to make them. I wanted to see Vice made into a feature back in the early 90's and reunite the cast. It would have been an epic along the lines as Heat. Instead, we get two contemporary clowns "posing" as Crocket and Tubbs in name only and Michael Mann ripping off his own cliches. Thank God for DVD. Now, if they would just hurry up and release the rest of them.

Tycho
10-16-2006, 04:13 AM
The end of "Prodigal Son" was awesome. Valerie came through in that shoot-out and backed up Rico, and Sonny brought down a helicopter! I thought that Gene Simmons' character would get away and he was just buzzing Sonny or swooping in to shoot him down - but dang, Sonny got in a kill shot there!

I don't think I ever saw how the series ends - no spoilers at the moment please. But I know that I moved and my parents divorced around '88-'89 and thus my television viewing and everything else was interrupted. I think Star Trek The Next Generation was all I wound up following at that point.

Miami Vice was probably the longest lasting '80's action show that I watched. The A-Team and Knight Rider were likely over by then, as was the Dukes of Hazzard. Only The A-Team came as close to being too cool like Miami Vice - but the stories for "Vice" were just deeper and more hardcore. There's very few episodes of The A-Team that were that powerful - but when General Fulbright died when they went back to Vietnam - that was one of those moments.

Back to Miami Vice, I really enjoyed the Swytek and Zito episode "Made For Each Other" with Izzy and Noogie. That was too funny and cool to see the other vice cops in action as well. It's sometimes difficult to picture Stan and Larry as cops in the same vein as the Strike Team on The Shield or something - but they have their moments. Larry reminds me of Jim Carey a bit in Season 1. And I could see Stan as a younger version of Al Bundy or something.

Meanwhile, Sonny is kind of an idiot for not thinking more of Gina. She's very into him and he can get his way with her - but she's worth his interest, too. I was honestly scared for her when she got shot by the Columbian death squad.

Now I don't remember if Valerie lives, or if Rico hooks up with Trudy the way they were portraying it in the film? (you can tell me that).

I found Bushido on my DVDs - but I have like 6 episodes to watch before I get to that one.

Miami Vice was such a good show! Oh - I'll see Brother In Arms before Bushido. So if it was that good, I'm sure I'll comment about that.

Tycho
10-17-2006, 12:35 AM
I just watched "Where the Busses Don't Run."

Dang that was a great episode!

It kept me guessing until the end. For a moment there I thought that Weldon was Acarro by a different name even. That his partner helped him hide the body foreshadows an episode in which I remember Crockett went to Aruba or somewhere and just shot a guy who'd shot Tubbs. Cops who are partners would do anything for each other, often.

Another episode, I think the New York one, reminded me of how little they are paid to risk their lives as the banker conspirator who laid out Latin America's debt to them, revealed his research that Tubbs had only $300 and Crockett $600 in their bank accounts. I know that with inflation today, that really sounds like limited money, but still - it really is a wonder that the majority of cops don't illegally suppliment their income (like on The Shield) because there's no way they earn enough while they watch criminals have the life and get away with the big payoffs. (Though as shown in "Lombard," the crime bosses pay their own sort of price.)

decadentdave
10-17-2006, 01:03 AM
The episode you're probably thinking of sounds like the season 4 ender so I won't give anything away but it was not Tubbs that Crocket was seeking justice for.

Yeah, Jullian Beck's dialogue in Prodigal Son always made on impression on me about the real world of money and salaries. "Money is a commodity, like air or water. We can make more of it by loaning it to those that don't have it," and Calderone when he taunts Tubbs at the end of the pilot episode "Come on you $400 a week cop," illustrates the reality of injustice in a corrupt capitalist society when those we pay to protect us are given so little and the only resistance to the temptations of moral corruption are to hold steadfast to your convictions, beliefs, and oath as a police officer to uphold the law and to serve the people. It's an upside down world we live in where athletes and actors are paid millions to entertain but policeman and firefighters are paid average wages for risking their own lives and protecting all of ours. It becomes easy to see why so many cops go dirty as Crocket and Tubbs have seen happen all to often. Weldon in his obsession to bring down Arcaro went off the deep end and decided to enforce the law of Hamurabbi because he knew the system would fail to prosecute him on some loophole technicality.

Tycho
10-17-2006, 01:52 AM
The episode you're probably thinking of sounds like the season 4 ender so I won't give anything away but it was not Tubbs that Crocket was seeking justice for.

Then if I had to guess (also because of predictable plotlines and her limited character use) I'd say that Sonny's cover is blown and Caroline Crockett is murdered in some attempt to get at Sonny. Perhaps Tubbs and Castillo look the other way as Sonny does what he feels compelled to do as some fat cat drug dealer brags about being safe from extradition to the United States. I clearly remember that Sonny had some good cause to just blow him away while he sat in his lawn chair along the beach.

I hope they used "In The Air Tonight" again for that moment. It is so definitive of Miami Vice!

I also think your exposition on Julian Beck's role and the facts facing cops and society at large concerning the base level of our capitalist society showed really superior insight. Do you follow "The Shield" at all? I forgot as we haven't had much to post in that thread until we start one for the new season come January. That is definitely your kind of show, as it is what prompted me to get back into Miami Vice.


Weldon in his obsession to bring down Arcaro went off the deep end and decided to enforce the law of Hamurabbi because he knew the system would fail to prosecute him on some loophole technicality.

But the show makes our sympathies lie with Weldon. They did a good job there.

It really sucks that there's no word on Season 3 and you've really made me want to see the ending of Season 4 now!

decadentdave
10-17-2006, 02:05 AM
Bzzzzzzz. Sorry, Hans. Would you like to go for Double Jeopardy where the scores can really change?

Nope. That's not what happens but I'll take "In the Air Tonight" over the song they do use. Let's just say that the setup comes in season 3 to Peter Gabriel's "We Do What Were Told" and I'll leave it at that.

And yes, I love the Shield. Best cop show ever. Besides Vice, of course! :D

Tycho
10-17-2006, 02:20 AM
Sonny and Rico make Vic and Shane really look like sewer scum, huh?

Well, because of what you said before about Sheena Easton being on Vice, now I kind of remember - I think Sonny marries her and the drug dealer kills her...

How am I doing for Double-Jeopardy?

decadentdave
10-17-2006, 02:29 AM
Close but no cigar. :lipsrsealed:

Tycho
10-17-2006, 03:16 AM
Well, I just watched an awesome episode where Trudy shot her first kill. It was definitely a fair and legal shooting, they were fired on and she saved Sonny's life probably. But IAD was all over her about it and causing her to doubt herself.

Meanwhile, the emotional impacts of the shooting caused Trudy to return to her old boyfriend who took her to "drug parties" where she got a lead on one of his friends who was dealing.

Ultimately the episode was about when a cop is on and off-duty, and how Trudy couldn't stop being a cop for convenience.

In the end, she seemed to hesitate as an unarmed dealer was barreling down on her, but Sonny punched him out. She still would have been justified shooting him and it was actually disturbing that she did not. Good acting.

It was cool that they finally showcased Olivia Brown (Trudy) in this episode and she proved she could also ACT!

Nicely done.

Blue2th
10-17-2006, 07:51 AM
Thought I would pop in here with a trivial side-note. I remember living in SD and the fashions people (we) wore in the eighties. Linen dinner jackets, thin pastel colored ties, grey shoes. All heavily influenced by MV. Getting all dressed up for a night on the town. Going to a bar (I can't remember the name) just below the 805 interchange by North Park. Dancing to a "New Wave" cover band. Or going to Humphreys on the bay to see Spyro Gyra (Progressive Jazz) 91X was the hot station then. Playing all those hits from Miami Vice etc. Ok I'll go away now.:)

Tycho
10-17-2006, 12:23 PM
I'm a San Diegan, so I have to comment :)


I remember living in SD and the fashions people (we) wore in the eighties. Linen dinner jackets, thin pastel colored ties, grey shoes. All heavily influenced by MV.

While I went to school in Orange County back in those Miami Vice days, I have pictures of me dressed like that, LOL. (They're at my grandparents so I don't have them here to scan them in) but I totally did a wardrobe like Don Johnson and dressed that way to Junior High School. (I started my own business when I was very young - mostly to buy Star Wars toys for myself and get my father off my case about how much money I spent) But even as a kid, I had thousands every month to spend on clothes and my early dates in limosuines (there was no way I'd let my parents drive me!) So I lived like a drug dealer, but in reality I mowed lawns, washed cars, and cleaned swimming pools around baseball practice to get the money. I actually love outdoor yard work. Anyway, I had so much business, I employed my friends. We were even cheaper than day-laborers, were too young to owe taxes or require a business license, and had no cost-of-living expenses since we all lived at home with our parents.

But I looked like something else wearing expensive leisure suits to Jr. high school. :rolleyes:

But while I'm sure some hated me for my style, it DID get the women :D

Since when did I really care about anything else?

Oh man, LOL, my parents did not know what to make of me. And my father created the monster I became by cutting out my allowance and telling me to work if I wanted spending money. While I resented him and we fought a lot, I took that lesson much further than he ever anticipated and was making over $2,000 a month by the time I was an 11 or 12-year old. I would NEVER let my parents control me!


Getting all dressed up for a night on the town. Going to a bar (I can't remember the name) just below the 805 interchange by North Park.

It's Todai, an Asian restaurant / night club now. I've never been in there. If you mean where the 805 goes by bridge over the I-8? Never sounded like my scene really. Now Dave & Buster's is on the north side of all that - and I love their bar-burgers and frequent there maybe once a week. I don't really play video games, so unless I go with a friend, I usually stay in the bar and make new friends. The staff recognizes me as a regular and knows what I'm going to order when I walk in the door.

North Park off the 805 really doesn't have a club scene that I'm aware of. The exits are (I think) Adams, El Cajon Blvd., and North Park Ave. There's mostly gas stations and pharmacies off those exits.



Dancing to a "New Wave" cover band. Or going to Humphreys on the bay to see Spyro Gyra (Progressive Jazz)

I had a friend I grew up with on my home street (his parents hired me as my clients) who played in Spyro Gyra - or they were a New Wave tribute band who also used that name.

I just stayed in the Half-Moon Bay Inn Resort with my high school girlfriend I flew in from Chicago. That's the lodging that goes with Humphrey's By The Bay. We went to the Queensryche show and had 3rd row! It was so awesome. Tiffany is still the little hottie (SirSteve met her and will tell you a funny story about the time she came to stay with me when he also was, and Comic Con was on.) But I had to take Tiff to this show because the young girls I like to date now don't know or appreciate the good 'ol days of '80's heavy metal (not that Queensryche didn't just put out a brand new CD last June with all new (and great) material for their Mindcrime sequel!) But these 21 year old girls I like listen to rap music and lame Justin Timberlake junk. The funny thing was that I coincidentally met up with another girl I knew and lived with my first 2 years of college (not a girlfriend, but in those days I wished!) She's the same age as me and there she was at the concert. It was great catching up. (She's married now so I didn't try to find out if she'd be down for a 3-some).



91X was the hot station then. Playing all those hits from Miami Vice etc.

91X is still around and still popular. They're more alternative now, but you can pick up Nickelback on their channel, etc. Still, ROCK 105.3 is my station for head-banging here (and more Nickelback than 91X plays, plus "Mandatory Metallica" - though I have all the big M's CDs and thus don't really want to listen to them on the radio. What sort of sucks is that Queensryche has thier audience and doesn't choose to pay off the radio stations to play their stuff - so it's not the popular thing on the radio, in spite of being better than the stuff on the radio. Music is so commercial. I didn't know it then, but that's what Miami Vice was doing as well. I'm not sure if Phil Collins paid off Michael Mann to use his music, or if Mann was just a fan - but I'm glad it worked out that way as I appreciate Collins and Peter Gabriel and Genesis through Miami Vice connections.

Wow. What a bit of a jog down memory lane! Thanks Blue2th.

decadentdave
10-17-2006, 01:54 PM
Thanks for that interesting A-side Blue2th. I was beginning to think this was a private conversation that was only being read by me and Tycho. Glad to see we're not the only ones with Vice appeal.

Tycho, there's another episode that is similar to The Dutch Oven where Gina's Bolivian friend is rapped by a rich Cuban playboy but there is no hard evidence for a conviction and Gina is hellbent for justice. You should dig it.

decadentdave
10-17-2006, 02:01 PM
I took that lesson much further than he ever anticipated and was making over $2,000 a month by the time I was an 11 or 12-year old. I would NEVER let my parents control me!

Damn Tycho, were you a little crack dealer?

Tycho
10-17-2006, 05:03 PM
Like I said, I ran a maintainance service club: lawn, car, pool. We served on average 41 houses in our tract home development and cut out the monopolizing gardener that usually worked the properties built by the developer. In the 3rd car garage spot (as I was too young to drive), I kept 3 lawn mowers, carwash stuff in "Radial Flyer" little red wagons, and pool cleaning equipment in "missing" supermarket shopping carts.

My father was a US Navy Commander and very strict. When I was about 9 or 10 years old (4th-5th grade) he said that I had to do chores around the house to get my allowance because my mother was returning to work, and he worked, and that's what people did: work. He was annoyed that my very successful uncle (yeah the same one that put all my Star Wars stuff into storage while I was recently hospitalized) gave my mom (his sister) money to buy me things like the Millennium Falcon and the Death Star Playset. I started troop-building back then too. Very shortly, my bedroom could not contain my Star Wars collection, and I was taking over the hallway linen closets (playsets, vehicles) and washroom supply cabinets (vintage Star Wars 12"). My Dad grew up poor before his military career, and I think that quite frankly he was jealous of me, and that my uncle could butt in with funds to make sure I was wanting for nothing. (I once had a very complete vintage collection that included the remote control stuff like the landspeeder and sandcrawler IIRC).

So my Dad said I could only have an allowance if I mowed the lawn, did the dishes, took care of the cat, watered the yards and planters, washed the cars, cleaned the pool, etc.

We lived in a wealthy area (watch MTV's "Laguna Beach," or whatever it's called - or if the O.C. stands for Orange County, California - I don't watch that either.) All the kids had stuff and we were a military family, so you kind of know the financial picture (though my dad invested, bought into real estate, and by the time he died, he was really the one that set me up into the lifestyle I live in now). But there I was, complaining that my Dad didn't pay me enough - so he said I should ask the neighbors if I could help them out for a little money.

Then came the lessons: I was using his fuel (for the lawnmower), his chemicals for the swimming pools, his carwash solution, etc. So if I wanted to continue doing so, I needed to resupply him at my own expense. That was the price of doing business.

We got into a fight about it and "what the other kids had, etc." and my Dad said he wasn't paying me any more to take care of our home - that was my price for living there while he and my mother worked to cover those expenses.

I got mad and had my mom drive me to Sears to buy my first lawnmower so I wouldn't have to rent my father's. So my dad charged me rent for the space I was taking up in the 3rd car garage.

I worked more houses to maximize the profits. I could do maybe one place at 6-7am before school, and 2 after baseball practice before it got dark (in the spring or early fall - while summertime I could work any time all day if I wanted - but usually spent much of the mid-day at a waterpark called Wild Rivers in Irvine.

My business stirred up a lot of interest with the neighbors who paid the local landscaping monopoly nearly twice what they paid me (and were provided with non-English speaking workers for their efforts). Soon I had more requests than I could handle and I asked 3 of my friends to work for me, bought more equipment for them to use, got them keys to our 3rd garage, and paid them 75% (or in one case more) of my asking price for the work being done.

Consequently, I was even taken to court by the home owners' association who was trying to provide work for the landscaping company that I mentioned. They didn't know what to do with me as I was too young to pay taxes, didn't require a work permit or business license, etc. They tried to go after my parents actually - to see if I was giving them kickbacks. I nearly got my father in big trouble for his rental fees, but we decided that as a family I'd pay that to my mom for our family grocery expenses and whatnot - thus it got covered under the actual food I ate.

So I had the lifestyle of "Laguna Beach" afterall - but I worked for it.

I've always been sort of an extremist, as you can tell how far I'll take things. It started from me fighting my parents about virtually everything and it keeps with my annoying personality that gets precocious about religious and political issues here in the rancor pit and my sudden urges to fight authority figures even if the SSG moderators are the only targets I can sight.

I wonder how I might've grown up different if I had laid-back parents?

I would have built a ruthless criminal organization if I'd wanted to go that route, I can tell you :D


EDIT: Oh man! I just watched an episode where a prostitute the guys were having help them set up a drug dealer turned out to be his own daughter he'd been raping! She really "blew him" in the end - with a nickel plated pistol! Great episode focusing on one of the things that goes on in society that we just don't like to talk about: incest rape right in the immediate family.

2nd Edit: I just watched Tubb's voodoo experience. Freaky! That was a great episode though. Bushido is next!!!

Tycho
10-18-2006, 03:35 AM
Dave, don't miss my wonderful masterpiece post above.

I just watched Bushido.

It was a great episode. I don't think it was my all-time favorite. But it was worthy of a movie plot even.

My plotholes are these:

1) Why didn't the KGB send more agents? 3 seemed like a minimal amount if the woman was that important to them.

2) Who was Surf? He didn't have a Russian accent and didn't come off as Russian. He may have been a highly trained American infiltrator, but he just came off as plain old American.

3) What the heck was a big house like that one on the island doing sitting abandoned, save for a few furnishings that would be necessary for it to be a safehouse? Was it a safehouse in the first place?

The kid who was Martin's namesake was very touching.

That he still fought to protect his friend's wife after she stabbed him was equally touching.

I must pause to think about the rest of the episode some more.

decadentdave
10-18-2006, 04:52 AM
Geez Tycho, you sure know how to spoil a good episode. Remind me to never watch television with you or Jeditricks. :D

Surf was an American turncoat working for the KGB (ironically played by Sledge Hammer) and was the perfect all-American spy for the Russ. That they didn't send more then 3 agents was probably because it shouldn't take more elite KGB assassins than that to finish the job and because they don't want to draw any more attention politically than what the CIA was already aware of and create an international incident. As for the safehouse... it's Miami. It could have been assumed that it was a mansion for a drug cartel that had been conviscated in a bust. Actually, they used the same mansion to film several episodes so you will see it again several times and if I remember correctly it is used in an episode with a drug addict Ivy-league prep student and his rich dad's estate. One thing about Vice is you notice many locations get recycled throughout the show to double for other locations. Another example that comes to mind is the lighthouse where Sonny and Caroline were walking from episode 2 will become the setting of an important "confrontation" between Sonny and Rico in season 5.

That was the best Dean Stockwell performance I have ever seen (I was not a fan of Quantum Leap) as was Olmos. Definitely the best Castillo episode, IMO. Marty was a nice twist to the tragic ending of their friendship. Jan Hammer's score was top notch with its Asian motiff. The Russian actress was from 2010 and she was also in a Czech rock band. Plus you had Jerry Hardin from X-Files and sidelined Crockett and Tubbs show up to save the day. Also a good moment with Zito buried in the sand. Bushido is definitely one of my favorite Vice episodes.

The Voodoo episode with Tubbs was creepy. That whole thing with Legba staging his death to smuggle his body in was similar to Serpent and the Rainbow. Again, Jan Hammer's score provides the atmosphere for that episode.

You should probably be getting some Phil Collins in Phil the Shill here soon. It's more lighthearted with some Izzy moments. Just wait until the season 2 finale...

Tycho
10-18-2006, 06:21 AM
I just watched the episode where Gina tried to protect her young friend from a rapist who kept coming for her. Nice Lamborghini vs. Ferrari chase - I always wanted to see that happen (gosh I wanted a white Countach when I was a kid!)

Anyway, the rapist was none other than "Felix Cortez" from Harrison Ford's Clear and Present Danger - about 15 years younger. That was a good episode.

Also in the previous incest-rape episode, the location for the out-at-sea boat dock shootout with speedboats and everything was awesome. I really dug that setting. It did more for me than Bushido, but eh...

As far as Dean Stockwell - I think he played in an early episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation as well. Unless he was Gretsky, long-lost friend of Castillo's. But I took him to be the older CIA agent.

But the hit on the drug dealer in the beach bathroom was indeed awesome. I loved Zito in the sand - very classic.

Blue2th
10-18-2006, 08:54 PM
Yeah, that club was right below the 8 & 805 interchange. It wasn't a restaraunt then. It was called the something? Garden. Quite the happening place back then. Right down the hill from where I lived in North Park. Going back there for Comic-Con sure brought back the mems. Even tuned into 91X. It's as you say "Alternative" Drove down El Cahon blvd. looking for an old pizza place I used to go to. East of 805. Man, dare was Hoes walkin' da streets. That neighborhood went down hill. Found the pizza place though. I was in SD the year of one of the hottest summers recorded. 85' I think (brain fart) It was the summer of insane Diego. The year that crazy guy (who was talking to a little angel/devil his wife said. Seem to remember she said it was blue) walked into a McDonald's in San Ysidro and wasted all those people..............Actually the first time I ever heard Queensrych was on the radio there, before they hit it big. Though I was a trendy New-waver then, listening to 91X. Good times.

Tycho
10-18-2006, 10:21 PM
Hehe. You're a little older than me Blue2th. I hit San Diego almost 10 years after you it sounds like.

I do remember hearing about some McDonald's killings though - not sure if it was the San Yisidro incident, or a copy-cat. Those sorts of things happen every so many years I guess.

Anyway, I just watched THE BEST episode of Miami Vice I can remember in the short term mind of mine.

"Back in the World," contained flashbacks of Sonny in Vietnam (they did a great job of making him look younger, too - really!)

In the episode a reporter friend who was strung out, was trying to get Sonny to help him find this sergeant who smuggled out heroin in the body bags of KIA soldiers in Vietnam. The idea of it is pretty disturbing, but actually not all surprising. I wonder if that sort of thing is going on in Afghanistan now?

Anyway, the episode brought Vietnam home to Miami and showcased everything from Stan in a "leather bar" to a former South Vietnamese regular turned mortar launcher trying to kill the reporter (and Sonny) in his speedboat on the bay.

A jungle-style shootout ended the episode, but for now it seems as if the Sergeant got away.

The whole episode really had me intrigued!

Nicely done, Michael Mann! Nicely done.

decadentdave
10-18-2006, 10:58 PM
If you loved that one Tycho you're going to love the follow up in season 3 called "Stone's War" when Ira Stone returns with G. Gordon Liddy involved in political covert dealings with the contras. That was a great episode. You will REALLY dig it!

Tycho
10-19-2006, 01:10 AM
I just watched the Phil Collins episode. That one was fun!

It wasn't a comedy, but it had humor (with Izzy decorating and everything - Crockett getting his butt beat-up while Rico planted the bug in the dealer's car, and Stan on that game show).

And it had action and danger to it.

I've bought a few TV series on DVD, but Miami Vice is high on my list, if not the top one, that I recall gaining this much entertainment from.

I loved this show and I hope (but don't recall) that Phil Collins' character comes back (as he got away in a Lamborghini - nice class).

I also recollect that Izzy eventually gets killed, unfortunately, but nevertheless realistically. Not sure if I remember that one right or not though.

It was funny seeing how Castillo wasn't the least bit surprised that Stan ditched work to be on a game show. Haha.

decadentdave
10-19-2006, 02:23 AM
Nope, Phil doesn't come back. As for Izzy, you might be thinking of Martin Ferraro's character Trini DeSoto from Prodigal Son (if I recall or maybe it was the Pilot) who got killed but not Izzy. Stan has lots of gambling debts that will get him into trouble in season 5.

Tycho
10-19-2006, 02:54 AM
I just saw Ted Nugent in a wild 2-plot episode with a very, very hot foreign girl that seduced Sonny. Now that was Miami Vice in style!

It looks like Larry covered him or Sonny might've ended up burried out there in the dunes.

The witness killing her own brother who she thought was going to assasinate her was a surprise twist, but she was right - as the shooter shot her down next. I wonder why though? There were all the cops around and the killer's employer was already dead. What was the point of drawing attention to himself? We never found out (or if they caught him - but predictably they did).

A very "Miami" Miami Vice episode. Nice.

decadentdave
10-19-2006, 03:03 AM
Sonny survived getting buried in the dunes but not his Daytona. That location will be the graveyard for it in season 3!

Tycho
10-19-2006, 05:17 AM
I liked the Testarosa much, much better, but the Daytona is lower-key and better for police work, I'd think. You can see that Testarosa coming from miles away!

Tycho
10-20-2006, 02:25 AM
I just watched the first time I ever saw the boys sanction a circumspect arrest.

It was the episode where Sonny's latest emerging girlfriend died from swallowing sample packs of cocaine to smuggle them out of Columbia.

They were trying to pin a dealer who was too slick to be caught.

His associated killed the brother of Sonny's girl with this guy (Glide's) gun. No, he didn't pull the trigger, but Castillo was going to allow Sonny and Rico to send him before a jury like he did. I don't know if they'd convict a guy on circumstancial evidence like that though. But I guess he was using that gun during the final shoot out, so his prints were on it and ballistics will match up with the bullet that killed the brother. So I don't know. Maybe that will be enough?

It was awesome when Sonny and Rico dived under the closing boat dock door just as the whole thing blew up! - and cool how they dealt with a mark figuring them out to be cops.

Good episode. Not the best, but definitely memorable.

decadentdave
10-20-2006, 03:17 AM
Yeah, that Sonny, he knows how to pick 'em! This one reminded me of a season 3 episode with Helena Bonham Carter who plays Sonny's junkie girlfriend Theresa working as a hospital nurse. That one was tragic because Sonny really loved her and he was about to pop the big question to her and she went into seizures from some bad smack. I'm surprised they didn't have flashbacks to that episode since it would have been a painful reminder of the girl he was dating and picking her up from the airport and then finding her having seizures in the bathroom from a ruptured coke balloon and dies. I really feel for Sonny. He has the worst luck. No wonder he's always brooding. He lost Caroline, Theresa, Caitlin... too many to list.

decadentdave
10-20-2006, 03:23 AM
I liked the Testarosa much, much better, but the Daytona is lower-key and better for police work, I'd think. You can see that Testarosa coming from miles away!

That reminds me of the episode Rising Son of Death. Sonny and Rico get into a shootout with some Asian drug dealers and they are using the Testarossa for cover while these thugs shoot at them with automatic weapons. Sonny, the military sharpshooter that he is, takes them all out with his .45 then checks out his car and says with absolutely amazement "I don't believe it... not a scratch!" Yeah, that's a pretty amazing car alright!

Tycho
10-20-2006, 09:00 AM
I notice that they are real careful with their cars on that show. It did appear that in the sand-dunes murders episode, they destroyed a Porshe - but they are infinitely cheaper than Ferraris or Lamborghinis. Even if the sports cars were donated to the show to give the manutacturers higher visibility, I doubt they'd donate seconds and thirds just so that Michael Mann can blow them up. Hehe.

MM: "Hey, thanks for the Ferrari. We had a lot of fun testing North Korea's nuclear weapons on it. It came apart beautifully and in so many pieces. Can we have another one?"

Now it's disgusting and I think I can answer the question for myself, but if someone was smuggling cocaine samples in balloons that they swallowed, does that mean (I'm being super-polite here) that they get them out of their body in the bathroom? If so, that is just totally disgusting! And I don't like Sonny's girlfriend if she was willing to do that. A BMW is the lamest excuse, too. Especially one she could get for $5-6,000. That was 1985, right? What was this car? A 1965 BMW with 200,000mi? They could have tested the missles on that thing!

I'm watching an episode now that actually bored me, kind of. Maybe I was tired, but it's got to be the first show I didn't really like: a guy shoots a judge and two of his daughter's bridesmaids at a wedding. He appears to be a crazy French guy from an Atlantic drug trading ring and Sonny doesn't like the family cartell's defense attorney who's being threatened into serving them. The guest stars aren't so hot (to me) and it's a yawn of an episode. I didn't finish watching it last night - actually slept good though - but I may start it over today when I'm feeling like watching it.

decadentdave
10-20-2006, 11:43 AM
I notice that they are real careful with their cars on that show. It did appear that in the sand-dunes murders episode, they destroyed a Porshe - but they are infinitely cheaper than Ferraris or Lamborghinis. Even if the sports cars were donated to the show to give the manutacturers higher visibility, I doubt they'd donate seconds and thirds just so that Michael Mann can blow them up. Hehe.


Oh yeah? :D

Tycho
10-21-2006, 01:26 AM
I just watched "Little Miss Dangerous," when Rico falls for a very young prostitute that's secretly the Crayon Killer (who's difficult past makes her kill her johns and leave artwork done by crayon behind her in the fire).

She was very hot, too. Yeah, I know Rico wasn't trying to have an affair with her, but you could see he was tempted. The ending surprised me. The look into the underground sex scene was tantilizing. The aspect of a girl so in over her head with that life that she wouldn't do anything to change it was very real.

I've seen that actress in Star Trek: The Next Generation before I think. She was older when she did Star Trek, but I think she played "Arielle," the rebel leader on a planet dominated by women that was also the location where refugees from an earth ship disaster took shelter, but upset the natural order of the planet's matriarchy. I'm not positive that was her though.

Whoever she was, her Miami Vice spot was tremendously sexy and played to all of us who in our hearts, are attracted to younger women. I just read an article about this being described as being common in American society.

The episode made you want Rico to hook up with her and take care of her. He was pushing the boundaries of what he could do as a cop. I'm surprised Castillo didn't come down on him more - but perhaps they cut that from the final show because they had a lot of plot to cover in a 1-hour episode. That one could have been a movie! It was very "Basic Instinct," but came out before B.I. I believe. Nicely done again, Mr. Mann!

Great acting on Phllip Michael Thomas' part, too. I think this could have been his best episode in recent memory for me.

decadentdave
10-21-2006, 02:29 AM
That ending to PIL's Order of Death ruled. The Crayon Killer was played by Fiona Flannagan, a pop singer. She's only acted on film and TV a few times and never did Star Trek. Rico is ALWAYS tempted as most men are attracted to younger women, not just in American society. It's a basic human instinct, which, by the way, Vice predated it by 5 or 6 years.

Tycho
10-21-2006, 02:41 AM
Well, don't you think Fionna Flannagan is one of the hottest girls to grace Miami Vice? She runs circles around Sharon Stone, that's for sure! Stone needed that trick in the white dress to get people to pay attention to her!

I never heard of Fionna Flannagan's music career, however. They didn't use her songs on this particular show I gather? The Little Miss Dangerous song they did use, at least twice, as the theme to this episode, just fit perfectly!

How rare is it that we can rave about an 80's TV show for nearly 100 posts like it was just being aired for the first time yesterday?

There's more to say about Miami Vice than people have to say about many of the modern shows being discussed as of lately.

Vice was way far ahead of its time.

[EDIT: (I'm adding) - I was pretty indifferent to the race car driver / prostitute assault case. It was very predictable and needed a "Days of Thunder" style soundtrack for it for the actual race (Daytona 500? or something similar? I don't follow auto racing). But yeah, I'd guessed it was the father early on. I'm not sure why, because I don't recollect seeing the episode before. But ah, well.]

Tycho
10-21-2006, 03:20 PM
I liked "French Twist" with the French woman InterPol officer and the morphine-trafficker / killer. A lot of suspense and intrigue in that one, plus Elvis got a lot of screen time eating fish, LOL.

But it was a suspenseful episode that was very well done. I love Sonny's kill shot from the bridge. Dang did it seem impossible that he'd save their plant in the deal when the guy was about to waste them. I couldn't tell how far away Sonny was from the guy, but he should have been killed at that range. It wouldn't have changed the outcome of the episode.

Still I liked that one. Nice hotel room (that the girl was staying in).

Tycho
10-22-2006, 10:29 PM
I just watched the gambling Judge who was the NCAA Basketball star's dad. I didn't think I was going to like this episode, partly because of its topic. But as soon as it started I was hooked. Nicely done again!

The scenes at the dog and pony races were cool, too. So was the shoot-out and pursuit through the bird sanctuary.

A really good episode - again.

Tycho
10-25-2006, 10:24 PM
Sonny and Rico just kidnapped this too-cautious drug dealer Fuente off his cruise ship he lives on, and got out of a bad situation with their lives. They didn't have anything to hold Fuente on, so they made him jump overboard and swim (in his suit and shoes!) Haha.

It was a good episode for Sonny, who got set up for a fall because of a missing 3 million stolen from the drug dealer - actually by a corrupt DEA agent.

Tycho
10-26-2006, 04:25 AM
Woah! I just saw the episode where Calderone's son came back to take revenge on Tubbs and he kills his half-sister and half-nephew (Tubbs' infant son he never knew he had!) I had mistaken what happened to Sonny with what actually happens to Rico!

That was a powerful episode to conclude Season 2 with.

Now Rico has Calderone after him again and a whole mixed history with that family...

they kill his brother
Sonny kills Calderone senior
Rico impregnates his daughter
Calderone's son kills his half-sister and child (Rico's son)
the half-brother is now after Rico and visa-versa

And Sonny is suspected of having Senior Fuente's 3 million dollars and his organization knows Sonny's cover and that Burnette and Crockett are the same person!

It's all really heating up on Miami Vice and there's no word about the Season 3 DVDs yet!!! Dang it! It's so frustrating!

decadentdave
10-26-2006, 12:13 PM
Just wait until Tubbs takes a little vacation in the Bahamas with his girlfriend...

It's High Noon in the Carribbean.

Tycho
10-26-2006, 03:55 PM
Yeah, but how am I going to see the rest of the series if they don't bring out some more seasons on DVD?!

decadentdave
10-26-2006, 05:04 PM
Tell me about it.

Tycho
10-29-2006, 06:08 PM
I started watching all my Shield DVDs and just realized that John Diehl (Larry Zito on Miami Vice) played Assistant Chief Gilroy for the entire first season!

Wow. And he was great in the role, too!

The Shield really showcased his acting ability.

decadentdave
10-30-2006, 01:24 AM
He'll always be Zito to me. Just wait until season 3...

I still remember him from a really bad low-budget 80's sci-fi flick with Kim Catrall and Robbie Benson called City Limits.

Tycho
10-30-2006, 02:31 AM
Diehl aged a lot between the younger man he was on Vice and Gilroy on The Shield. They are very different characters even in appearance to me.

Perhaps in Season 3 of Vice he had more to do, but he shined as Gilroy and had a LOT to do on The Shield!

Tycho
11-03-2006, 10:21 AM
Our own OC47150 has reported that Seasons 3 & 4 of Miami Vice will be released on DVD in March! Woo-hoo!

Finally some good news there! :)

Tycho
11-12-2006, 03:42 AM
I am finishing watching The Shield Season 4 now (with Glenn Close) and it is awesome. But I am so missing more Miami Vice. I might start to watch those DVDs over (seasons 1 & 2). I want # 3 & 4 now however, versus having to wait until MARCH! MARCH!!! WTF! Grrrrr.

There are times when you are just addicted to Miami Vice. I think I've got one of those times now when it's nearly 2 o'clock in the morning and I really feel like watching it if I could - right now!

I'm playing Crockett's theme on my MP3 player as well. Played "In The Air Tonight" just a few minutes ago as well.

OK, let me make this clear: I want to watch more Miami Vice!

decadentdave
11-12-2006, 09:18 AM
Yes, Tycho. You belong to the city. :D

That's wonderful news. Can't wait for both seasons 3 and 4 at the same time! So much better than waiting a year and a half between seasons 1 and 2. Hopefully the last season will bereleased before the end of next year.

Tycho
04-10-2007, 01:11 AM
Season 3 & 4 are out! I haven't picked them up yet.

I'm watching my entire collection of Star Trek and just finished Enterprise and starting on TOS. It'll be a while that I'm lost in space.

The Shield and The A-Team Sn 5 are also on my list. I'm not sure what I'll go for first, but Miami Vice is definitely going to happen!

Tycho
05-09-2007, 02:15 AM
I haven't picked up the DVDs yet, but my friend just called me to tune into an episode they were showing on the Sleuth Channel. Michael Chiklis (The Shield's Vic Mackey) was guest starring as a villain on a 3rd or 4th Season episode of Miami Vice. We were marveling how so many rising stars / actors / musicians wanted guest roles on Miami Vice. That was one of the most powerful shows of the 80's.

decadentdave
05-09-2007, 02:48 AM
Yes, truly amazing how Vice is the proverbial spawning pool of modern talent. There were 2 episodes with Viggo Mortensen. The first I didn't even recognize him. A very young Chris Rock is in one. A young Annette Benning in another. Stanley Tucci is in a couple and so is Ian McShane from Deadwood. Miami Vice is a veritable Who's Who.

Finished watching season 3 and am now into season 4. It's a groaner. The series really jumped the shark between "The Big Thaw" and "Missing Hours" and then Sheena Easton really drags the show down big-time but at least it all pays off at the end of the season but boy it really hurts to watch until then. They finally got themselves back on track but it was too late by then I'm afraid.

Tycho
05-09-2007, 03:07 AM
It sounds like Season 3 is ok, but you mean Season 4 is the groaner. Is that correct?

Was there a season 5 or 6?

decadentdave
05-09-2007, 03:25 AM
It sounds like Season 3 is ok, but you mean Season 4 is the groaner. Is that correct?

Was there a season 5 or 6?

Yeah, season 4 was the groaner. Season 5 was okay but you could tell they were just riding it out to the end. It started off good but then fell into mediocrity up until the end. It's very different in look and style compared to other seasons. Jan Hammer was replaced by Tim Truman so the electro-pop score became more latin acoustic guitar and they used a lot of diffusion filters to give it a soft whited-out look and Sonny's hair is long and shaggy and he wears jeans most of the time. Like I said, they just had to show up and read their lines knowing that it was the last season. That was when DJ was moonlighting his film career with memorable gigs like Dead Bang and Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man in between takes on Vice.

Tycho
08-11-2009, 12:37 AM
So I'm watching this series again. I just bought Seasons 3, 4, 5 (so now I have all) but I'm rewatching season 1 and 2 first.

Tycho
05-31-2013, 11:12 PM
I still really love Miami Vice

Bel-Cam Jos
06-01-2013, 10:30 PM
I was behind a Nissan Versa the other day and commented that vice squad should issue them. That way, they're covered both ways. :badpun: :rolleyes:

OC47151
06-02-2013, 01:18 PM
I bought the best of MV DVD set a year or so ago. Had the pilot and finale eps, but the big reason I bought it was for Smuggler's Blues. It had been years since I'd seen that ep.

Tycho
06-02-2013, 02:41 PM
Ironically I just watched that episode. I hadn't remembered what it happened and it was scary when tubbs got thrown into a Colombian prison

Tycho
06-04-2013, 01:36 AM
Made for each other :I the funniest episode of Miami Vice, a show that's not usually funny.

Ziti moves in with switek And his girlfriend and his goldfish and they have to take down a stolen goods distributor with Izzie and Noogi. To do so they steal a cement truck and try to hock it. Just then trying to figure out how to drive it was funny as hell

Tycho
06-12-2013, 11:58 AM
I am so excited to keep watching my DVDs! Miami Vice was a great show!

Tycho
06-14-2013, 12:12 AM
Castillo is becoming very interesting!

sith_killer_99
06-15-2013, 02:42 PM
Hulu Plus has this series.

Tycho
06-22-2013, 11:00 PM
Just saw Liam Neeson on Miami Vice when Gina fell in love with him when he played and I are a good man

Tycho
06-30-2013, 05:21 AM
Bill Paxton and Wesley Snipes in the same episode!