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El Chuxter
11-22-2006, 12:25 AM
I have found, opened, and enjoyed all of the Transformers Classics figures thus far. (Well, not entirely true, as the 2-pack Prime vs Megatron hasn't showed up around here yet.)

I can say, unequivocably and without hesitation, THESE THINGS ROCK! You've done a great job of capturing the essence of some of these classic characters in updated forms that look great on a collector's shelf, and yet have amazing play value for the youngsters. This is a major step up from Cyberton/RID/Lame TF Line Du Jour (nice looking figures, lousy cartoons, and, well, folks like me really don't care a bit about them), and from the Alternators (beautiful statues, but tough as the dickens for even adults to transform).

There's only one problem: these are whetting my appetite for more. Many more. And Hasbro reps have hinted this line is a sort of "one-off" thing.

PLEASE RECONSIDER IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO DISCONTINUE THIS LINE ANY TIME IN OUR NATURAL LIFETIMES!

There are far too many classic characters who need to be made:

1) The balance of power is currently way off-kilter. We need more Decepticons. Lots more. How can this evil army be a credible threat if it's half the size of the forces of good? For starters, no one will complain if you repaint Starscream in blue and call him Thundercracker. I understand Skywarp's already taken care of, as an upcoming exclusive. Retooling of Ramjet and Starscream could also give us geeky fanboys Dirge and Thrust with minimal tooling cost for you. Think about it. Other than Clonetroopers, you'll never see collectors asking you to paint an existing character in a new color and sell it to us all over again.

2) Grimlock is still listed as "Dinobot Commander." It must be pretty lonely being an army of one. And, paleontology has come a long way since the original Diaclone sculpts were designed (and they weren't exactly up-to-date then). So, since we have a more accurate T-Rex for Grimlock, updated sculpts for Slag, Sludge, Swoop, and Snarl seem logical. (And forget the latter-day sales gimmick Mini-Con you're calling "Snarl.")

3) Soundwave. I don't even really need to say more, do I? CD player, iPod, car, helicopter, hell, even a garbage disposal. I don't care. As long as he has at least three minions, I'm fine with whatever his alt form is. (I shouldn't have to name the three most logical subordinates, but, just in case, Ravage, Rumble, and Laserbeak. And, once again, if you want to reissue Rumble and Laserbeak in different colors and call them Frenzy and Buzzsaw, no one will complain.)

4) There are a lot of Autobot cars who beg to be produced. First and foremost, Jazz (or Meister, or whatever you want to call him). Because the Autobots currently have no one to call Grimlock an "ugly sucka." The brothers Sideswipe and Sunstreaker aren't far behind, and Ironhide desperately needs to guard Prime. Ratchet, Smokescreen, Bluestreak, Prowl, Skids, Inferno, Red Alert, Hoist, Trailbreaker, Brawn, Huffer, Windcharger.... I could almost go on all day. But I won't. Let's just put the "Auto" back in "Autobot," hmm?

5) Blitzwing. Why make just one Triple Changer? Throw in Octane, too, if you don't mind.

6) Insecticons. The thought of what modern technology can do with Kickback, Shrapnel, or Bombshell makes me drool drooldrooldrool. (Sorry, cheesy G1 cartoon reference there theretherethere.)

7) Scorponok and Omega Supreme. You prove with every new kiddie line that you still own the rights to these names. Howsabout using them on updated versions of the original characters?

8) Shockwave. The original was amazing by the standards of the day. But so was the original Jetfire. And Megatron never has too many traitorous lieutenants.

9) How about some more movie characters? We already got Hot Rodimus, and Ultra Magnus is on the way, I hear. Kup, Scourge, and Cyclonus could be awesome figures if done better than the lame statues from 1986. I wouldn't mind having the first proper Arcee figure, either.

10) Gestalts. The upcoming Devastator looks rather cool, but take out Mixmaster and Hook, and throw in some guy named "Hightower," and you're not fooling anyone. Combaticons, Stunticons, or Aerialbots would be keen. (For some reason, no one ever seems to be so crazy about the Protectobots.) Shoot, if you just want to make Silverbolt, I doubt anyone would mind missing the other four (largely generic and interchangeable) Aerialbots. Just don't skimp on the Combaticons if you decide to produce them.

Please take these suggestions into consideration. You've got a lot of adult collectors actually excited about Transformers again, even moreso than with the Alternators (prior to re-releasing them all in every color of the rainbow and giving them as many old school names as possible). Don't let this fizzle out. Because, face it, the movie looks like it's going to suck hard. I wouldn't bank on that surefire fiasco to keep us interested.

figrin bran
11-22-2006, 01:13 AM
Chux, if you haven't heard, Soundwave is coming as a 6" Titanium figure. it is a new sculpt done to look more like the G1 Cartoon Soundwave.

other than that, i too would love to see all of those characters being made in the Classics line. Please please take Chux's suggestions into consideration, Hasbro!!!

El Chuxter
11-22-2006, 08:32 AM
Chux, if you haven't heard, Soundwave is coming as a 6" Titanium figure. it is a new sculpt done to look more like the G1 Cartoon Soundwave.

True, but the Titaniums are a totally different animal. I've passed on all the 6" Titaniums so far, and was only tempted by War Within Optimus Prime. I'll probably continue to pass unless there's a War Within Grimlock at some point. I love the smaller Titaniums, but the large ones don't seem to really cut the mustard for me.

JediTricks
11-22-2006, 02:03 PM
Hasbro, you must continue the Classics line, all those naysayer fans who won't buy the Movie line will fall out of collecting Transformers otherwise, this line is nearly everything everybody wants and could... nay, MUST continue. Plus, Chuxter there went to the trouble of spelling "whetting" correctly, that's gotta count for something. ;)


From what I've seen, Titanium Soundwave is sculpted as the War Within version, he doesn't actually look like the cartoon version.

DarkArtist
11-22-2006, 02:29 PM
Chux, if you haven't heard, Soundwave is coming as a 6" Titanium figure. it is a new sculpt done to look more like the G1 Cartoon Soundwave.

other than that, i too would love to see all of those characters being made in the Classics line. Please please take Chux's suggestions into consideration, Hasbro!!!


they are also re-releasing the original GI classic as well with both ravage and laserbreak. Can't wait for that to hit the local TRU. Looking forward to seeing the Titanium version as well. So far the only Soundwave I have is the Takara World's Smallest Transformers version.

pegger
11-23-2006, 10:27 AM
Damn it! I've been fighting the urge to get back into Transformers collecting...and these have been CALLING me every time I step into TRU....

I think that you guys just broke me down into buying them....

El Chuxter
01-23-2007, 10:55 AM
So, I found Cliffjumper and Ramjet, Hasbro. I've never been so happy to own repaints of figures I already had, even at $10 each. Aside from Magnus/Skywarp, I'm all set on the Classics that are out. (Sorry, I don't count the Minicons. Those can rot for all I care.)

So, when can I start watching for Thundercracker, Soundwave, Jazz, Brawn, etc, etc, etc?

These appear to be selling very well even without a cartoon. I know of a lot of adults who haven't bought a TF in years (or maybe only got the Anniversary Prime) who are snatching up all of these Classics.

Food for thought.

pegger
01-23-2007, 11:04 AM
What's all out now state side? We only got Optimus and Megatron, and wave 1 up here.

El Chuxter
01-23-2007, 11:10 AM
Standard figures (Hasbro calls 'em "Deluxe"):
Bumblebee
[Hot] Rodimus
Astrotrain
Starscream
Grimlock
Mirage
Cliffjumper
Ramjet

Deluxe figures ("Voyager," for whatever reason--I don't understand the terminology):
Optimus Prime
Megatron
Jetfire

Two-packs:
Megatron vs Optimus Prime
Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp

There are also some assorted Minicons, if you care.

pegger
01-23-2007, 11:30 AM
Two-packs:
Megatron vs Optimus Prime
Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp

There are also some assorted Minicons, if you care.

Megatron and Optimus - is that where Megatron is the tank?

Magnus and Sjywarp - is that a US exclusive

I bought the minis cause they were on sale. Carp. Utter carp.

El Chuxter
01-23-2007, 11:38 AM
Yeah, the Prime/Megs two-pack is a resculpt of Prime that's a bit closer to the G1 version, and a tank Megatron that's quite close to an update of the G2 figure (remember, when he couldn't actually be a gun anymore).

Magnus/Skywarp is an exclusive. I think Target, which would make it a US exclusive. :(

There's also a Devastator, which I thought until reading JT's comments this morning was a new figure. Turns out it's a repaint of some Universe or RID or something-or-other figure.

JediTricks
01-24-2007, 05:08 PM
Standard figures (Hasbro calls 'em "Deluxe"):

Deluxe figures ("Voyager," for whatever reason--I don't understand the terminology):
The $10 pricepoint that Hasbro calls "deluxe" is called that because it's bigger than the $7 "basic" pricepoint (also called "scout class" in the previous TF line). So the $20 pricepoint cannot be "deluxe" since the $10 one is, which is why that next step up from $10 has been called "mega" until the previous TF line which renamed it "Voyager Class". The breakdown:

- $7 pricepoint: "basic" or "scout class", in the Classics line it's the minicon sets. Hasbro found in 2001 that basics sell the best by a large margin, it's what kept the TF line alive in the lean times.
- $10 pricepoint: "deluxe".
- $20 pricepoint: "mega" or "voyager class", this used to be a $15 pricepoint but Hasbro beefed it up a little and raised the price.
- $25 pricepoint: "ultra", this class is not used in the TF:Classics line.
- $40 pricepoint: "super" or "leader class", also not used in the Classics line.
- $50 pricepoint: "supreme", also not used in the Classics line.
Magnus vs Skywarp is a Target exclusive in the US, but like the Prime vs Megs 2pack they may make an international one as well. (The Prime vs Megs set is not so good though.)


There's also a Devastator, which I thought until reading JT's comments this morning was a new figure. Turns out it's a repaint of some Universe or RID or something-or-other figure.It's a repaint of one of the combiner teams from the TF:Energon line, not much of one since half the figures in that original version were fairly close to this look anyway.

El Chuxter
01-24-2007, 05:35 PM
But, logically, since there is no smaller set of figures, why would the "basic" figures be "Deluxe"? And WTF do they mean by "Voyager"? These figures can travel? They're secretly from a crappy Trek spinoff? What?

JediTricks
01-24-2007, 10:49 PM
The "Basics" pricepoint is handled by Minicons, and I don't care that you don't like them, they sold better than almost any other Transformers toy ever back in the Armada line so fanboyism won't help you there, it can only hurt your position.

I dunno why they changed the pricepoint names to "Scout" and "Voyager" and "Leader" classes, I don't care for them.

El Chuxter
01-25-2007, 10:52 AM
Why would you consider it "fanboyism" to not like the Minicons in the Classics line?

The name is "Classics." The implication is they are updates of classic characters. Popular or not, Minicons don't fit in the G1/G2 mythos, which appears to be the basis of the Classics line.

I'm not saying at all that Minicons are some horrible thing and we should all band together to destroy any trace of them ever existing. I'm just saying that Minicons--especially ones that bear no resemblance to classic characters--don't fit in Classics.

If the Dinobot Minicons were mechanical and called Sludge, Swoop, and Slag, they'd be off-scale with Grimlock, but they'd fit. I wouldn't be as against that, though I'd prefer full-sized figures.

seanmcfripp
01-25-2007, 02:59 PM
Word on the street is that the Botcon exlcusive set is going to be made using tooling from the Classics line. Of course the big fear is that the set will include either Thundercracker, Dirge, or Thrust (or even worse, all three). Since this is a "Dear Hasbro" thread, let me one of the first to say "DON'T!"

The three remaining Seekers have way to much mass market appeal to be used for a limited exclusive. If you absolutely have to use the Classics Starscream molds for Botcon, then do a ghost Starscream, or a Sunstorm, or make a little squad of those generic Seeker drones from the Sunbow series. You could even make a Skywarp and Thundercracker set decoed up to look like they did in TFTM just before Unicron changed them to Sweeps/Cyclonus (where half is painted up with battle damage and the other is painted up with that purple grid scanning look). In other words, exclusives should be unique and different enough to whet the appetites of hardcore fans (guys that go to Botcon), but should utilize characters or concepts that aren't going to exclude thousands of other collectors who support the line (guys like me). Ghost Starscream? Most of us would go "Yeah, sounds cool, but I'll live if I don't have it." Then the 1000 or so really super hardcore Transformers fans who want a ghost Starscream can battle it out at Botcon or on ebay to get it.

If Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust end up in the 2007 Botcon set, a whole bunch of Transformers fans are going to have a big hole in their Classics collections. I know, I know, if we want something bad enough, we can always pony up the couple hundred dollars to get it off ebay, but what about the main supporters of the line? You know who I'm talking about: the kiddies. Starscream seems to be one of the first off the pegs in my neck of the woods. Who says kids don't want a Thundercracker too? If nothing else, think of the children...

Rogue II
01-25-2007, 05:18 PM
What are the other up-coming toys for this line? I thought Toyfare mag said they were doing a Soundwave. I don't collect Transformers, but I would buy Prowl and Soundwave if they made 'em. Maybe even Devastator and the dinobot triceratops if I really liked the first 2.

JediTricks
01-26-2007, 05:44 PM
Why would you consider it "fanboyism" to not like the Minicons in the Classics line?

The name is "Classics." The implication is they are updates of classic characters. Popular or not, Minicons don't fit in the G1/G2 mythos, which appears to be the basis of the Classics line.It's fanboyism because of the immense hate you're pushing out about them, if you don't like them that's fine but you dump on them hard every chance you get. It's fanboyism because it's so incapable of accepting new things and changes from the original, that kind of inflexibility nearly put the line under a few times.


I'm not saying at all that Minicons are some horrible thing and we should all band together to destroy any trace of them ever existing. I'm just saying that Minicons--especially ones that bear no resemblance to classic characters--don't fit in Classics.
And I'll say it again, claiming minicons don't fit the G1 mythos is pretty short-sighted when there are headmasters and targetmasters and micromasters in the G1, to say nothing of the Minibots.


If the Dinobot Minicons were mechanical and called Sludge, Swoop, and Slag, they'd be off-scale with Grimlock, but they'd fit. I wouldn't be as against that, though I'd prefer full-sized figures.They are mechanical dinos, not organic like Beast Wars.

Rogue II
01-26-2007, 06:08 PM
And I'll say it again, claiming minicons don't fit the G1 mythos is pretty short-sighted when there are headmasters and targetmasters and micromasters in the G1, to say nothing of the Minibots.

Oh sure, if you want to acknowledge the existence of headmasters & targetmasters.:D A friend of mine ordered some G1 Transformers dvd that had the head and target master episodes on it. It was more of a commercial than a cartoon.

Speaking of G1 Transformers, I was at WM today and saw they had Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Brawn, and some other red car as keychains in retro 80s packaging.

seanmcfripp
04-02-2007, 09:23 AM
Word on the street is that the Botcon exlcusive set is going to be made using tooling from the Classics line. Of course the big fear is that the set will include either Thundercracker, Dirge, or Thrust (or even worse, all three). Since this is a "Dear Hasbro" thread, let me one of the first to say "DON'T!"

The three remaining Seekers have way to much mass market appeal to be used for a limited exclusive. If you absolutely have to use the Classics Starscream molds for Botcon, then do a ghost Starscream, or a Sunstorm, or make a little squad of those generic Seeker drones from the Sunbow series. You could even make a Skywarp and Thundercracker set decoed up to look like they did in TFTM just before Unicron changed them to Sweeps/Cyclonus (where half is painted up with battle damage and the other is painted up with that purple grid scanning look). In other words, exclusives should be unique and different enough to whet the appetites of hardcore fans (guys that go to Botcon), but should utilize characters or concepts that aren't going to exclude thousands of other collectors who support the line (guys like me). Ghost Starscream? Most of us would go "Yeah, sounds cool, but I'll live if I don't have it." Then the 1000 or so really super hardcore Transformers fans who want a ghost Starscream can battle it out at Botcon or on ebay to get it.

If Thundercracker, Dirge, and Thrust end up in the 2007 Botcon set, a whole bunch of Transformers fans are going to have a big hole in their Classics collections. I know, I know, if we want something bad enough, we can always pony up the couple hundred dollars to get it off ebay, but what about the main supporters of the line? You know who I'm talking about: the kiddies. Starscream seems to be one of the first off the pegs in my neck of the woods. Who says kids don't want a Thundercracker too? If nothing else, think of the children...

Now that the Botcon set is officially going to include the last three Seekers, I thought I'd bump this to restart the ranting.

kool-aid killer
04-02-2007, 01:08 PM
That sucks. You nailed it on the head in the post you quoted, i really want a Thundercracker and its unfortunate that i probably wont be able to grab one now that its a Botcon exclusive.

JediTricks
04-02-2007, 03:55 PM
Huge mistake, Classics should be at mass retail, not a club or con exclusive, down the road that'll hurt again because that'll limit the remolds to ONLY those venues.

El Chuxter
04-02-2007, 10:32 PM
I've never tried to get a Botcon exclusive, as they've been stuff I don't care about. How hard is it typically to get one's hands on these?

kool-aid killer
04-03-2007, 01:38 PM
Ive read over on a Transformers board that it will cost over $300...

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=128466

Post #2 explains it.

I wish i could go to Botcon, it would be a nice place to pick up a variety of the Beast Wars figures i still need.

El Chuxter
04-03-2007, 02:40 PM
You've got to be kidding me.

Hasbro, this is a really, really stupid move on your part.

Almost as stupid as making Concept R2-D2 and C-3PO Celebration exclusives.

kool-aid killer
05-01-2007, 10:16 AM
Check them out:

http://www.botcon.com/BotCon07preview.cfm

JediTricks
05-01-2007, 02:06 PM
I hate this! The last 3 seekers, including a remold, are going to be overpriced botcon exclusives, that is SO wrong! No previous botcon exclusive was straight out of main character G1 canon like this.

El Chuxter
05-01-2007, 08:42 PM
Sadly, even the new guy, Bugbite, looks b****in', even though he's just another Bumblebee repaint. :(

Hasbro, you're not making us happy.