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Tycho
02-11-2007, 01:00 AM
Star Wars' Phil Tippet was heavily involved in both pictures, though he served as the Director of the sequel, a made for cable movie that then went out on DVD.

The first movie was slap-stick and epic at the same time.

The soundtrack promoted "a struggle for all time," but some of the cornball lines ("He sucked his brains out!") point to the film not taking itself seriously.

Leading ladies Denise Richards and (topless) Dina Meyer added great eye candy to the already rich first film. The starship effects and the bugs were very well done.

The movie is very bloody and supplants any of the Aliens films for being the most grotesque.

Starship Troopers takes you from bootcamp to alien battle fields.

On a serious level, the bugs are distraught by human incursion into their realm as earth tries to colonize out in space. It would seem we invaded their territory. But the idea that these "animals" can hurl asteroids across the galaxy and into the earth is beyond far-fetched (though it is supposed to be).

I have paused to consider how really extraordinary the movie could have been had it taken a hardcore, very serious approach with a more intellectual drama underlying it. Instead, it is campy like Romancing the Stone played itself out, capitalizing on the Indiana Jones movies.

But actually, the second movie does get more hardcore and dramatic. Then as a result, the two films don't really seem to go well with each other.

More on movie 2 as I rewatch it.

JediTricks
02-11-2007, 01:13 AM
I really didn't care for this movie, I saw it in the theater, the satire was watered down from Verhoven's previous Robocop and the action was a little too overproduced. I also didn't think the cast worked together, the acting was flat and the people too pretty all the time (I know that was a point to it, but the satire being so flat...)

Tycho
02-11-2007, 01:18 AM
I'm really not very familiar with the Robocop films. They didn't interest me too much. So I didn't know they were satirical, or tongue-in-cheek.

JediTricks
02-11-2007, 01:27 AM
Robocop has a lot of biting societal satire strewn throughout the action.

Tycho
02-11-2007, 01:36 AM
I wasn't aware that Paul Verhoven was involved in witty commentary movies. Basic Instinct was intelligent enough for what it was, but I'm not sure I know what to make of Verhoven next to guys like Raimi, Singer, Cammeron, the old Speilberg, the old Lucas, etc.

JediTricks
02-11-2007, 01:48 AM
Verhoven did Robocop, Total Recall, those both have biting social satire, then he does Basic Instinct which is changing gears in a big way. Then he goes back to something a little sillier with Showgirls but it's so sloppy and campy and flatly-written, then Starship Troopers.

Tycho
02-11-2007, 01:55 AM
Oh. Well we both know we like Total Recall. I thought Verhoven's name came up in a recent movie I reviewed.

I'm not sure Vehoven has ever hit the "epic" level of the genre that some of the other directors I named have, but Robocop (though I haven't been interested in it really) does seem to have embedded itself in pop-culture consciousness, as has Basic Instinct (though mostly for Sharon Stone's "Paris Hilton antics.")

JediTricks
02-11-2007, 02:03 AM
Robocop, Total Recall, and Basic Instinct did serious box office and resonated past their times (I'm still surprised how often I hear "I'll buy THAT for a dollar!" - it's from Robocop). Showgirls left a different kind of impression on society, one of being overblown smutty dreck, and thus begat the law of diminishing returns with Paul Verhoven's material.

LTBasker
02-11-2007, 06:35 AM
Starship Troopers I enjoy to watch every now and then, granted it's not one of the best films of all time and the cast do get on one's nerves, Dina Meyer's scenes are definites not to miss and I love the weapons and ships. The space scenes with the fleet and ships launching are a huge highlight of the movie, I just wish we had seen more of the fighters/bombers. Which oddly despite their brief bombing run got a really cool looking figure scale toy made.

Starship Troopers 2...well it was about as good as a bug infestation. :p

The story was so horribly predictable that a Priest and a Rabbi walking into a bar could even accuse it of being cliche. Props and sets were pretty shoddy looking, even the weapons looked horrible. I couldn't stop staring at this wire mesh that was around the barrel of the gun looking like the poorest attempt at a futuristic flashhider. :crazed:

The only thing that really made this connected to Starship Troopers was the armor, bugs and mentioning terms and whatnot. Granted, more nudity than the first one but it was too easy to tell it was to gain your attention away from the film. Maybe they didn't even have a complete script and just scribbled that in the gaps?

If you want to see more of the Starship Trooper universe without wanting to cringe every 5 seconds, check out the CGI animated series DVD set if possible. That was a really good show, although not in continuity with either movies it was definitely more fun. Much like MIB, Starship Troopers 2 tried to copy some things of the show but failed miserably.

BountyHunterScum
02-11-2007, 09:43 AM
I didn't like part 2 at all, they had decent guns in the first now they have rifles with strobes on the end what a joke. Basil Poledouris who was the composer on Robocop did the first movie too. James Horner who did The earlier ST movies did movies like Krull.

Tycho
02-11-2007, 10:28 AM
The first movie had a pretty good score to it.

James Horner did Glory - one of my favorite movie scores. He's pretty good.

JediTricks
02-11-2007, 02:40 PM
If you want to see more of the Starship Trooper universe without wanting to cringe every 5 seconds, check out the CGI animated series DVD set if possible. That was a really good show, although not in continuity with either movies it was definitely more fun. Much like MIB, Starship Troopers 2 tried to copy some things of the show but failed miserably.Yeah, "Roughnecks: The Starship Trooper Chronicles" was a great cartoon, took the audience seriously and didn't bother with any of the goofier distractions that the movie suffered.


How did James Horner get dragged into this conversation? The guy never worked on any of the movies discussed in this thread. Horner's big break was Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, and he did a great job there, but he lifts so much of his later work from it that it's hard to not notice when he's basically stealing from himself.

Blue2th
02-11-2007, 03:48 PM
Yeah, "Roughnecks: The Starship Trooper Chronicles" was a great cartoon, took the audience seriously and didn't bother with any of the goofier distractions that the movie suffered.

I used to love that series, and watched it every morning drinking coffee before I had to go to work. At the time I thought it was cutting edge CGI. I've got a couple of episodes on DVD. I'd like to get all of them if I could find them cheap enough. I can imagine the upcoming CGI Clone Wars being better or at least as good.

Tycho
02-11-2007, 07:52 PM
I just watched Starship Troopers 2 and loved it.

Here's your chance to see Kelly Carlson naked in just about every way. (Maxim Magazine's #43 in the Top 100 Girls of Maxim) She's on Nip/Tuck and involved in one of the Pro Wrestling circuits for all you fans.

Starship Troopers is meanwhile a great sci-fi action film as there is a lot of action, some good gore and gross special effects with the bugs, and a nice heroic sacrafice.

It is almost entirely a planet-side infantry story rather than anything to do with outer space and starship conflicts.

I wouldn't mind if they made more movies in this series actually.

I was trying to get a grip on the bugs' philosophy in that tell-all moment at the end when the General was possessed.

He complained that humans idolized a God that granted individuality and that fact promotes chaos in the universe (perhaps because bugs are accustomed to a hive mentality?)

Anyway, it's an action movie that glorifies in its violence, but it would be cool to see future films have 120 seconds or so dedicated to exploring some more of this. Because remember, "To kill the bug, one must know the bug."

2-1B
02-11-2007, 08:56 PM
I liked how they went Alderaan on Argentina.

BountyHunterScum
02-11-2007, 09:33 PM
lol @ tycho drooling over the nip tuck chick. Yuck They should try to make a movie to offset that laughable excuse for a sequel.

El Chuxter
02-11-2007, 10:47 PM
I loved the first film.

I will not watch any sequels. Period. Even for free on TV.

Phantom-like Menace
02-12-2007, 12:20 AM
I didn't dislike the first movie, but it wasn't my favorite.

The second movie is physically painful to watch and was pretty much crap excreted unceremoniously onto film so as to capitalize in some way on the original movie.

The CGI cartoon was actually really good--far better than the movie. I admit I'm surprisingly poorly read, so I've never read the novel, but it was nice the cartoon was able to show us the power armor. It's been a long time since I watched it, so I don't remember any plot of any episode, but it was good stuff.

There actually are talks for a third movie, and from what I understand they're trying to get Casper (Johnny Rico) van Dien back. I theorize there aren't enough crappy vampire movies to keep him employed otherwise.

Tycho
02-12-2007, 01:06 AM
What vampire movie was he in? And what character did he play?

BountyHunterScum
02-12-2007, 07:14 PM
What vampire movie was he in? And what character did he play?

Count Sucksalot

Tycho
02-12-2007, 07:46 PM
Count Sucksalot

You've got to be kidding me! That was the title?

Was it a gay porno or something?

Phantom-like Menace
02-13-2007, 05:09 PM
What vampire movie was he in? And what character did he play?

http://imdb.com/name/nm0000680/

At least three that I see without looking too hard:
Slayer as Hawk
Dracula 3000 as Captain Abraham Van Helsing
Modern Vampires as Dallas

JediTricks
02-13-2007, 05:11 PM
I used to love that series, and watched it every morning drinking coffee before I had to go to work. At the time I thought it was cutting edge CGI. I've got a couple of episodes on DVD. I'd like to get all of them if I could find them cheap enough. I can imagine the upcoming CGI Clone Wars being better or at least as good.There's only 37 eps of Roughnecks, the last 3 never even got produced because there was a huge licensing hangup and they ran out of money fighting it.

I hope they use a similar kind of CGI as well for Clone Wars, I'm sick of the recent trend of cell-shading and simplistic characters, or balloon-characters with overly smooth features.

BountyHunterScum
02-13-2007, 10:56 PM
You've got to be kidding me! That was the title?

Was it a gay porno or something?


Sarcasm. lol