View Full Version : Forget Blu-ray and HD-DVD, I'll wait to go holo.

Lord Malakite
03-14-2007, 03:23 AM
So Blu-Ray DVDs can hold 50 gigabytes? Big deal. A holographic disc can store 30 times as much data. Stuck in the lab for decades, the mother of all memory is finally available, thanks to a gel-like film developed by InPhase Technologies. Whereas a DVD holds information on its surface and on a layer below its surface, a holographic disc packs data throughout the gel at every point where two laser beams cross. And its fast: A single laser pulse etches one million bits, for a write speed nearly four times that of Blu-ray disc drives. Plus, the new gel is durable enough to last at least 50 years. The first commercial product, Maxell's 300-gigabyte discs, are meant for professional archiving, such as TV stations need. Expect consumer versions in two to three years. By 2010, discs will hold 1.6 terabytes and may eventually reach 100 terabytes.

How it Works

Holographic drives record information onto discs with blue lasers similar to Blu-ray, but first they use a beam splitter to send the light in two directions. One part, the signal beam, passes through a series of micromirrors, which deflect certain sections of the laser, turning it into a checkerboard pattern of dark and bright pixels representing 0s and 1s, respectively, of the data you're saving. When that beam intersects with the other half of the laser, the reference beam, the overlapping light waves react with the light-sensitive gel to burn a 3-D pattern, or hologram, onto a disc. Adjusting the mirrors changes the intersection, so holograms can overlap at different angles, packing more bits into one area.

Data Disc------------------Capacity--Writing Speed--What Fits
Holographic (2010 version)--1.6 TB----960 Mbit/sec.--400,000 songs
Blu-ray---------------------50 GB----36 Mbit/sec.---12,500 songs
HD-DVD--------------------30 GB----36 Mbit/sec.---7,500 songs
DVD-----------------------8.5 GB----27 Mbit/sec.---2,375 songs
CD------------------------0.7 GB----7.9 Mbit/sec.---175 songs

I'm perfectly fine with plain DVDs at the moment for movies, but this holo disc thing does have me a bit impressed. I'm looking forward to seeing its potential towards video games and TV shows. Just think, entire television seasons on one disc as opposed to 3-5 discs sets. Never having to hear the likes of graphic *****s like Factor 5 complaining that discs aren't providing enough room for their video game graphics. Its music to my ears.:pleased:

What does everyone else think?

El Chuxter
03-14-2007, 09:44 AM
Not sure about holo, but I think Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are doomed. People just upgraded from VHS, and aren't ready to upgrade again. Factor in a format war, and soon these will be gathering dust in a pile of laserdiscs.

lee gray
03-14-2007, 01:43 PM
I must be living in the past, Up until today I had never even heard of blu-ray till I saw it advertised on the new casino royale poster saying available on dvd and blu ray from the 19th

I am quite content with dvd and hope dvd remains strong for many years to come

03-14-2007, 09:20 PM
I'm sticking with DVD, good enough for me. Easier to pirate.

03-14-2007, 09:36 PM
Holo shmolo, thats what I say. I can see HD-DVD taking over since most things are headed that way, but not for a few years.

03-14-2007, 11:15 PM
Not sure about holo, but I think Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are doomed. People just upgraded from VHS, and aren't ready to upgrade again. Factor in a format war, and soon these will be gathering dust in a pile of laserdiscs.

Yeah I just changed over 8 years ago.

03-18-2007, 12:12 AM

I've been holding off on HD DVD and Blu Ray too. Mainly because of the cost but also because of the uncertainty. But now that there is a combined HD-DVD and BluRay player I don't feel as uneasy; that unit is still way out of my budget at $1000+. When all of this gets sorted out and the prices drop, I'll consider investing, but until then I'll just stick with regular(SD) DVD.

I recently just purchased a new DVD player, the Sony DVPNS75H, which supports HDMI and upcoverts to 720p or 1080i (I actually received this player today). This dvd player connected via HDMI to my Samsung HDTV sports a super sweet picture, much better than the SD players. I was skeptical at first, as far as the upcoverting goes, but I read stellar reviews on this player and decided to try it out. Shortly after setting it up, I became very impressed. The new setup, and then hundreds of dvds that I have now, should easily last me while this HD-DVD/Blu Ray and eventual Holo mess sorts itself out.

03-19-2007, 07:12 PM
I saw the article in my subscription copy, and I've seen them pimp these concepts before, touting them as the next big thing when they're not all that far along and have no industry support yet and the drift off into the ether. This one I suspect will be one of those because of the precision needed for the dual-laser system and speed, plus the disc being gel-based means it's encased in a housing that looks a lot like a floppy disk's housing, which is more expensive.

Meanwhile, you can now buy a gig of MicroSD flash memory off amazon.com for $10 that's the size of a pinky finger's nail, there's a tablet PC coming out later this year that uses 32 gig of flash memory INSTEAD of a traditional harddrive - this means no moving parts to wear out or break. And supposedly, one of the major harddrive manufacturers is about to start marketing a harddrive that's pure flash memory that can be installed in any standard 3.5" floppy bay.

So while we're currently suffering a format war between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, flash memory is an up-and-comer that could make any optical storage system obsolete even before we get these holographic discs.

I personally don't give a crap about any of 'em since I don't have equipment to make use of high-res stuff anyway, but if I did, I'd probably get the HD-DVD add-on to the Xbox 360 since it can be used with the game console OR apparently it can be hacked to work without it, a $200 HD-DVD player.

03-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Gel based? wonder where they got that idea? Remember the gel-packs on Star Trek Voyager?

03-19-2007, 07:32 PM
I'm sticking with regular old DVDs. I don't think HD-DVDs and Blu-rays will last. I just read a great Kevin Smith quote regarding HD-DVDs and Blu-ray in a magazine. I'll share it with you guys.

Originally Posted by Kevin Smith
F*** High-def and Blu-ray! Why the f*** do these people assume I'm looking for better picture quality? Have they seen my flicks? I'm not buying into another format until they can beam that s*** right into my brain and I can watch films on the insides of my eyelids.

03-19-2007, 07:39 PM
Plus, what happens if you pick the wrong tech and the other wins out? Definitely waiting till all the dust settles.

Perhaps it was best said by Tommy Lee Jone's character in Men in Black, "You know what this little baby means, I'll have to buy the Beatles' White Album again."

03-19-2007, 09:53 PM
Gel based? wonder where they got that idea? Remember the gel-packs on Star Trek Voyager?The bioneuro gelpacks on Voyager aren't that much like this though, they're more like an organic brain in a bag with neural functions rather than just 1s and 0s.

03-20-2007, 11:01 AM
The bioneuro gelpacks on Voyager aren't that much like this though, they're more like an organic brain in a bag with neural functions rather than just 1s and 0s.

Ummm, an organic brain would have to have neural functions due to the fact is is made of neurons, but I'm just a neurophysiologist. Robotic brains are just parallel processors that do 1's and 0's.

03-21-2007, 12:52 AM
That was the point of the "bioneural" gelpacks, they thought like an organic being rather than the binary brain of the isolinear-based systems because the gelpacks were organic neural materials - neural fibers contained in biomimetic gel. Because the bioneural gelpacks were organic in nature, they occasionally got sick which was kinda stupid.

03-21-2007, 01:10 PM
Well I thought there were elements of Voyager that were kind of psychotic.

03-21-2007, 08:13 PM
There were elements of Voyager that sucked, and elements of it that REALLY sucked.

08-24-2008, 09:52 AM
Here is Wikipedia's article on it.


08-24-2008, 01:46 PM
I love going back to these old threads and looking at predictions of things like blu-ray/hddvd.

I remember back in 2003, reading an article about blu-ray and it's capacity, then the little side note about the inferior hddvd product that held much less data. I remember thinking "why would anyone go towards an inferior product". Alas, blu has won the day.

As for the HVD's, I suspect it will not be used for video discs. My reasoning is this:

1. Consumers are tired of format wars and will not be easily duped into buying yet another format.

2. HDTV has a maximum resolution! All the reviews I ready before buying my HDTV indicated that it is hardly worth springing for a 1080p unless you go monster big, and even then you have to sit too close, just to notice the difference. We have effectively maxed out. Blu-ray works just fine.

3. The driving force behind the HD format was the HDTV. HDTV's hit their stride (in terms of sales) for a variety of reasons, the forced conversion standard for broadcasting, the lowered costs of mfg. resulting in lower cost to consumers for those nice flat panel HDTV's, etc.

4. The main selling point of this new technology will be it's ability to archive data...not sell movies.

5. Blu-ray has gone as much as 4 layers deep now, maxing out at 100GB per disc. This means that future televisions seasons may be on as few as 2-3 blu-ray discs.

On the flip side it would be cool to have full television seasons on a single disc, but that is not enough for people to switch formats...yet again.

I see tremendous possibilities for this new format, but mostly as data storage/back up. This means that:

1. It will mostly be for PC/Mac computer users.

2. As such it will take much longer to be adopted by users.

3. Computers will finally be touted as the ULTIMATE gaming systems, once games have been made for these discs.:p

4. Sony will no doubt introduce the PS5 with HVD disc games to compete with PC games.

Seriously, I don't see this as a threat to blu-ray.

If you are looking for the next big revolution in everyday computer technology, look to the internet...that is to say...higher speed networks capable of transfering larger amounts of data over a network. Additionally, look towards tech that will allow this data to be processed at higher speeds, servers, switching relays, network modems, etc.

This is where it will all comes together. The key here is that the costs of such technology will be spread out. The service providers upgrade the network and pony up the big bucks to do it...passing the higher monthly service plans on to consumers. Modems will be purchased by consumers (or leased from the ISP). PC mfgs. will make the new modems optional (or standard) and costs will be included in the price of the new PC.

Before you know it we will be downloading at speeds so fast that the bottle necks will become the bus or the read/write times of your hard drive. Thus HVD's will become necessary for data storage needs alone.

I have spoken.:Pirate:

08-24-2008, 03:10 PM
Bah, I don't care anything about a "holo" disc unless it holds the programming for an environment or feature for a freaking holodeck. :p

The picture on the wiki page looks like it would be a squishy disc, which I suppose could help it's popularity; when you get done watching the movie, you can use it as a palm rest as you type out your rant or rave.

Edit: Wow, this really is an old thread. o_O