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bigbarada
06-13-2007, 02:04 AM
The new A-Wing Pilot figure STILL has the wrong helmet included.:mad: So far, both Pilot figures with removable helmets have been given a Y-Wing pilot helmet instead of the correct A-Wing Pilot helmet.

I know where the problem originates from, the old Star Wars Chronicles book mislabeled a ROTJ Y-Wing Pilot helmet and ever since we haven't seen a single accurate A-Wing Pilot.

The new A-Wing Pilot:
http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=23313&cat=5329

The previous A-Wing Pilot figure:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/swsaga/sw03awinghelmetfr.jpg

Attached is a photo of the A-Wing Pilot from the movie, you can see that the helmet is totally different. It's not even close enough that you could conceivably mistake one for the other.

So my request would be a new A-Wing Pilot finally made with the correct helmet.

Battle Droid
06-13-2007, 10:51 AM
Looks like the only one they got right was the one that came with the A-Wing fighter.

Jargo
06-13-2007, 11:40 AM
the POTF2 A-wing. not the re-release which came with a Y-wing pilot in a green flight suit. (which for a Y-wing pilot should be grey).

another point about the Tycho figure. his head is so darned big the flight cap seems ridiculously huge perched on top. like he's wearing a hops sack.
the basic figure sculpt is great but the headgear needs changing.

bigbarada
06-13-2007, 01:20 PM
Looks like the only one they got right was the one that came with the A-Wing fighter.

The POTF2 version is closer but still not that accurate.
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/potf2/POTF2awingpilotfr.jpg

Oddly enough the vintage figure is still the most accurate when it comes to the helmet:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/vintage/vintawingpilotheadfr.jpg

bigbarada
06-13-2007, 01:26 PM
the POTF2 A-wing. not the re-release which came with a Y-wing pilot in a green flight suit. (which for a Y-wing pilot should be grey).

another point about the Tycho figure. his head is so darned big the flight cap seems ridiculously huge perched on top. like he's wearing a hops sack.
the basic figure sculpt is great but the headgear needs changing.

The grey-suited Y-Wing Pilot is at the top of my want list for NBM (never before made) figures. We've never had a figure of them in any toy line, even though they are more prominent in the film than B-Wing Pilots (which we have two figures of). I believe their suits are very different from any of the other pilots' suits, so the "Arvel Crynyd" figure we got was actually a strange mishmash of an A-Wing Pilot's flight suit with a Y-Wing Pilot's head and helmet. However, I can't be sure, since I haven't seen many good photos of the ROTJ Y-Wing Pilots.

I agree about the new figure's flight cap, it should have either been sculpted onto his head or Hasbro should have just included an interchangeable head.

Gothiczartan
06-13-2007, 01:41 PM
The new A-Wing Pilot figure STILL has the wrong helmet included.:mad: So far, both Pilot figures with removable helmets have been given a Y-Wing pilot helmet instead of the correct A-Wing Pilot helmet.

I know where the problem originates from, the old Star Wars Chronicles book mislabeled a ROTJ Y-Wing Pilot helmet and ever since we haven't seen a single accurate A-Wing Pilot.

The new A-Wing Pilot:
http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=23313&cat=5329

The previous A-Wing Pilot figure:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/swsaga/sw03awinghelmetfr.jpg

Attached is a photo of the A-Wing Pilot from the movie, you can see that the helmet is totally different. It's not even close enough that you could conceivably mistake one for the other.

So my request would be a new A-Wing Pilot finally made with the correct helmet.

they can reuse the upcoming a wing pilot figure just use the full body and add a new sculpt head and removable helmet just like the one you attached the pic!

how about a vintage style a wing pilot for the star wars vintage style collection

this figure can be reuse for another a wing pilots for correct helmets!

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El Chuxter
06-13-2007, 02:10 PM
That cap is pretty honkin' big. It should've been left off, or sculpted onto the head. I can't be 100% sure, but it actually looks like it's bigger than the helmet itself!

JediTricks
06-13-2007, 11:44 PM
The new A-Wing Pilot figure STILL has the wrong helmet included.:mad: So far, both Pilot figures with removable helmets have been given a Y-Wing pilot helmet instead of the correct A-Wing Pilot helmet.

I know where the problem originates from, the old Star Wars Chronicles book mislabeled a ROTJ Y-Wing Pilot helmet and ever since we haven't seen a single accurate A-Wing Pilot.

The new A-Wing Pilot:
http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=23313&cat=5329

The previous A-Wing Pilot figure:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/swsaga/sw03awinghelmetfr.jpg

Attached is a photo of the A-Wing Pilot from the movie, you can see that the helmet is totally different. It's not even close enough that you could conceivably mistake one for the other.

So my request would be a new A-Wing Pilot finally made with the correct helmet.
I thought that the helmet in question actually IS the same one, but it has a flip-down face plate and in the photo you included the face plate is flipped up (you can see something's flipped up above the helmet).

In any case, they should give us the movie version you have in your picture, even if it's the same prop just in a different position.

bigbarada
06-14-2007, 07:31 PM
I thought that the helmet in question actually IS the same one, but it has a flip-down face plate and in the photo you included the face plate is flipped up (you can see something's flipped up above the helmet).

In any case, they should give us the movie version you have in your picture, even if it's the same prop just in a different position.

I'm going through movie stills now and they are clearly totally different designs. Once I get some good screen grabs, I'll post them.

The TIE Pilot helmet and the Stormtrooper helmet actually have more in common than these two helmets and no one here would be satisfied with a black Stormtrooper helmet atop their new TIE Pilot figure.

Devo
06-14-2007, 07:48 PM
Another error which makes me wonder do they have anyone who watches the films or looks at film stills at all??

It looks like a quality figure apart from this one mistake - there always seems to be one - which just holds it back from being perfect.

How do these things get by them? Are there actual star wars fans working at Hasbro or just a bunch of random sculptors and indifferent supervisors?

bigbarada
06-14-2007, 08:28 PM
Another error which makes me wonder do they have anyone who watches the films or looks at film stills at all??

It looks like a quality figure apart from this one mistake - there always seems to be one - which just holds it back from being perfect.

How do these things get by them? Are there actual star wars fans working at Hasbro or just a bunch of random sculptors and indifferent supervisors?

Well this problem didn't originate with Hasbro. It actually started as a misprint in the Star Wars Chronicles book that was published in the 90s. I believe Hasbro utilizes the book very heavily for reference photos and information. The problem is the book is riddled with misprints. They continually identify Kithaba as Barada and mislabeled a Y-Wing Pilot helmet as an A-Wing Pilot helmet.

So, Hasbro is just carrying over Chronicle Books mistake; but you're right, even a casual viewing of the film would reveal that it is the wrong helmet.

It's a shame too, because the Green Leader character is very prominent in the DS2 battle and his final kamikaze dive into the Super Star Destroyer is one of the greatest acts of pure heroism in the entire saga. To bad he doesn't have a decent figure to represent him.:cry:

Gothiczartan
06-14-2007, 09:34 PM
Well this problem didn't originate with Hasbro. It actually started as a misprint in the Star Wars Chronicles book that was published in the 90s. I believe Hasbro utilizes the book very heavily for reference photos and information. The problem is the book is riddled with misprints. They continually identify Kithaba as Barada and mislabeled a Y-Wing Pilot helmet as an A-Wing Pilot helmet.

So, Hasbro is just carrying over Chronicle Books mistake; but you're right, even a casual viewing of the film would reveal that it is the wrong helmet.

It's a shame too, because the Green Leader character is very prominent in the DS2 battle and his final kamikaze dive into the Super Star Destroyer is one of the greatest acts of pure heroism in the entire saga. To bad he doesn't have a decent figure to represent him.:cry:

let's go tell hasbro abou this character, he needs a all new sculpt head and helmet and a same a wing pilot from TAC line!

Jargo
06-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Ok i've been scanning through the movie frame by frame and have discovered that a-wing pilots wear differing helmets. yes they wear the open chin helmet with the hard top and no visor but yes they also wear the same helmets as y-wing pilots we just don't see any in battle but at the rebel briefing there's one dude with the y-wing helmet. In the Home One docking bay there's an A-wing pilot carrying what could be a Y-wing helmet or an upside down comon A-wing helmet.

CLICKY (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/1968monster/comic1/A-WINGHELMETS.jpg)for pics

bigbarada
06-14-2007, 10:17 PM
Ok i've been scanning through the movie frame by frame and have discovered that a-wing pilots wear differing helmets. yes they wear the open chin helmet with the hard top and no visor but yes they also wear the same helmets as y-wing pilots we just don't see any in battle but at the rebel briefing there's one dude with the y-wing helmet. In the Home One docking bay there's an A-wing pilot carrying what could be a Y-wing helmet or an upside down comon A-wing helmet.

CLICKY (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/1968monster/comic1/A-WINGHELMETS.jpg)for pics

Right in the Rebel Briefing Room and Hangar Bay, you see lots of different combinations of flight suits and helmets. I'm pretty sure there is even a B-Wing Pilot with an X-Wing Pilot helmet. I've been scanning through the movie also, and found some of the exact same screenshots you got, so I'll post some of the others.

So, technically, some A-Wing Pilots wore Y-Wing Pilot helmets, but the main Green Leader pilot wore a completely different helmet. So, I guess I'm saying that we really just need a figure of the Green Leader character.

Here's a front and side shot of the Y-Wing Pilot helmet.
Front: http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/y-pilotfront.jpg
Side: http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/y-pilotside.jpg

This is clearly the helmet that the Arvel Crynyd figure is modeled after:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/toys/potfarvelhead.jpg

Here's a decent close-up of the Green Leader helmet:
http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/greenleader3-20.jpg

So, considering all the photos that MR. DADDYPANTS and I have posted, it's clear that the two helmets really have nothing in common.

bigbarada
06-14-2007, 10:32 PM
His final moment.:cry:
http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/greenleaderFIN-48.jpg

How can he sacrifice his life for the Rebellion and not be remembered with his own action figure? Plus he's the guy who killed Admiral Piett and, out of all the Rebel pilots in the DS2 battle, only Wedge Antilles gets more screentime. So it's not like we're asking for some "blink and you miss him" background extra.

NOTE TO HASBRO: Please don't sculpt him with the facial expression in the above photo.:stupid:

Jargo
06-14-2007, 10:49 PM
it may be too late for hasbro to fix the figure this time round but hopefully we'll get to see more releases of the A-wing pilot as essentially it means they can sell more A-wings. which means chance to get the right helmet and the right pilots face on the figure. and a flight cap sculpted to the head rather than the diaper thing this tycho A-wing pilot comes with.
I think we can basically say movie wise there's at least three easily spot-able A-wing pilots. I'd be happy with a running change variant thing on him. same body, different heads, right helmet.

And how about some ground crew? Oooh new thread idea.......

Gothiczartan
06-14-2007, 11:10 PM
here is the link of how hasbro can make a new and correct Arvel Crynyd A-Wing Pilot, since he did the dive at the star destroy in ROTJ.

here what hasbro can do in the pic!

http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=arvelcrynydfa9.jpg

Jargo
06-14-2007, 11:15 PM
oooh that's another thing. lose the rebel insignia on the shoulder. strictly non movie.

bigbarada
06-15-2007, 01:21 AM
The chest box on the upcoming figure would have to be retooled as well. The ones in the movie look a little different. I think that might have been one of the few details that the previous pilot figure got right.
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/toys/potfarvelfrontnohelmet.jpg

Jargo
06-15-2007, 10:42 AM
basically they need to start over. go back to the LFL archive and get proper still costume shots. then create a decent all round sculpt of each of the four basic pilot types (A,B,X,Y) and after that it's just a case of helmet re-deco and different heads.

Oh, and hire someone who actually knows what they're talking about in regards to star wars. someone who has a wide knowledge and also a very keen eye for details. someone who archives pics in order to compare them and find the best reference material for the sculptors. someone who will kick the other staff in the balls if they try and batmanize the star wars line.

bigbarada
06-15-2007, 12:35 PM
Well, with the exception of the helmets, chest boxes and colors, the A,B and Y-Wing Pilots are pretty much identical.

So, it's possible that Hasbro could get away with one common figure between the three of them, just retool the torsos and give them each proper helmets and unique head sculpts.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-17-2007, 02:13 PM
How are they mixing up Barada and Kithaba? Kithaba has the red headband and was made as the Barada figure in the 80s. Barada has the yellow headband and is the modern figure.

While we're on the subject of A-wings, does it bother anyone else that the one that crashes into the Star Destroyer is so clearly a damn car? They need to clean that up a little bit.

Jargo
06-17-2007, 02:30 PM
Extrapolate please.

bigbarada
06-17-2007, 11:05 PM
How are they mixing up Barada and Kithaba? Kithaba has the red headband and was made as the Barada figure in the 80s. Barada has the yellow headband and is the modern figure.

While we're on the subject of A-wings, does it bother anyone else that the one that crashes into the Star Destroyer is so clearly a damn car? They need to clean that up a little bit.

Actually Barada was sculpted in the vintage line, but was painted to match Kithaba. Kithaba doesn't wear a backpack and both the vintage and modern figures had backpacks (along with the puffy sleeved, butterfly-collar shirt), indicating that they were both sculpted after Barada. It just seems that Kenner decided to paint their POTF figure to match the more visible alien.

In the Star Wars Chronicles book, they have no listing for Kithaba and include photos of both Barada and Kithaba in their description of Barada. That's what I meant when I said that they are always mixing up the characters.

I'll have to get a screengrab of that A-Wing crashing into the SSD, I never thought it looked like a car at all.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-18-2007, 08:06 PM
I thought I once read that the A-wing was a car crashing through glass or some such thing. If you look at it after hearing this, you can kind of see one of the wheels and it overall doesn't even match the shape of the A-wing. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks odd to me.

JediTricks
06-19-2007, 03:54 AM
Another error which makes me wonder do they have anyone who watches the films or looks at film stills at all??

It looks like a quality figure apart from this one mistake - there always seems to be one - which just holds it back from being perfect.

How do these things get by them? Are there actual star wars fans working at Hasbro or just a bunch of random sculptors and indifferent supervisors?I don't think we can put this entirely on Hasbro's shoulders, they sculpt a lot of this stuff from resource materials from Lucasfilm, and LucasLicensing expressly approves or denies these things - it's their job to catch these mistakes.


Well this problem didn't originate with Hasbro. It actually started as a misprint in the Star Wars Chronicles book that was published in the 90s. I believe Hasbro utilizes the book very heavily for reference photos and information. The problem is the book is riddled with misprints. They continually identify Kithaba as Barada and mislabeled a Y-Wing Pilot helmet as an A-Wing Pilot helmet.

So, Hasbro is just carrying over Chronicle Books mistake; but you're right, even a casual viewing of the film would reveal that it is the wrong helmet.And again, these mistakes shouldn't have gotten past LucasLicensing, the division specifically there to make sure this stuff doesn't happen. Moreover, there seem to be some archive failures here as some LFL material seems to be coming out wrong from the source.


Ok i've been scanning through the movie frame by frame and have discovered that a-wing pilots wear differing helmets. yes they wear the open chin helmet with the hard top and no visor but yes they also wear the same helmets as y-wing pilots we just don't see any in battle but at the rebel briefing there's one dude with the y-wing helmet. In the Home One docking bay there's an A-wing pilot carrying what could be a Y-wing helmet or an upside down comon A-wing helmet.

CLICKY (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/1968monster/comic1/A-WINGHELMETS.jpg)for pics


Right in the Rebel Briefing Room and Hangar Bay, you see lots of different combinations of flight suits and helmets. I'm pretty sure there is even a B-Wing Pilot with an X-Wing Pilot helmet. I've been scanning through the movie also, and found some of the exact same screenshots you got, so I'll post some of the others.

So, technically, some A-Wing Pilots wore Y-Wing Pilot helmets, but the main Green Leader pilot wore a completely different helmet. So, I guess I'm saying that we really just need a figure of the Green Leader character.

Here's a front and side shot of the Y-Wing Pilot helmet.
Front: http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/y-pilotfront.jpg
Side: http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/y-pilotside.jpg

This is clearly the helmet that the Arvel Crynyd figure is modeled after:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/toys/potfarvelhead.jpg

Here's a decent close-up of the Green Leader helmet:
http://www.matt-hughes.com/forum/SW6/greenleader3-20.jpg

So, considering all the photos that MR. DADDYPANTS and I have posted, it's clear that the two helmets really have nothing in common.Yeah, I think you've got your point sold, the A-wing helmet shown specifically up close when they're flying is the one we should consider the canon helmet.


it may be too late for hasbro to fix the figure this time round but hopefully we'll get to see more releases of the A-wing pilot as essentially it means they can sell more A-wings. which means chance to get the right helmet and the right pilots face on the figure. and a flight cap sculpted to the head rather than the diaper thing this tycho A-wing pilot comes with.
I think we can basically say movie wise there's at least three easily spot-able A-wing pilots. I'd be happy with a running change variant thing on him. same body, different heads, right helmet.You make a good point, they probably are too far along to fix it. And taht thing on the Tycho figure's head does look awful.


Well, with the exception of the helmets, chest boxes and colors, the A,B and Y-Wing Pilots are pretty much identical.Remember, Y-wing pilots wear the standard X-wing pilot uniform in ANH, so you have to separate ANH Y-wing pilots from ROTJ ones. :ermm:


I thought I once read that the A-wing was a car crashing through glass or some such thing. If you look at it after hearing this, you can kind of see one of the wheels and it overall doesn't even match the shape of the A-wing. Maybe I'm wrong but it looks odd to me.Sounds to me like the power of suggestion.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-19-2007, 03:31 PM
Sounds to me like the power of suggestion.
And it looks to me like a car (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/wide/rotj128.jpg). ;)

Devo
06-20-2007, 06:26 PM
Wow that does look like a car. In other news, I was wrong when I stated that the helmet alone holds this back from being a perfect figure. Theres also the new revelation that this figure has a giraffe neck!! Worse than endor Leia even. Theres a picture at rebelscum. Horrific. I can't believe this got final approval for release. What are they playing at??!!

Jargo
06-20-2007, 07:12 PM
yeah that's bad. should go back to non ball joint heads.

JediTricks
06-21-2007, 01:35 AM
And it looks to me like a car (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/wide/rotj128.jpg). ;)Dude, I wouldn't trust Topps' accuracy if they had it notarized by Lucas himself!


Wow that does look like a car. In other news, I was wrong when I stated that the helmet alone holds this back from being a perfect figure. Theres also the new revelation that this figure has a giraffe neck!! Worse than endor Leia even. Theres a picture at rebelscum. Horrific. I can't believe this got final approval for release. What are they playing at??!!Just someone at the photo department assembling the figure prototype wrong, I'd bet, they also broke the straps on the legs and sloppily glued them back together (they actually do this quite often). Look at the version they brought to CIV without neck problems:
http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=23313&cat=5329

bigbarada
06-21-2007, 08:14 PM
And it looks to me like a car (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/cards/wide/rotj128.jpg). ;)

I can see how that might look like a car at first glance; but if you really look at it, you can see that it is clearly not. Just a random grouping of broken parts that momentarily resembles an automobile.

Jargo
06-21-2007, 08:17 PM
yeah it is a point of impact. that thing is coming through transparisteel. It' be like a flys butt coming through it's mouth when it hits a car windshield.

ooh nasty analogy......

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-21-2007, 10:55 PM
Bigbarada, you said you could possibly get screencaps. Is there any way for you to get more, perhaps through the entire shot? Or at least the next few frames, when it comes better into view? It looks like that through the whole shot so it's not like the circular engine just randomly came forward for a split second to resemble a wheel.

Tycho
06-21-2007, 11:59 PM
I should chime in on this whole Tycho thing. Now everyone is aware of my namesake if they weren't already. :rolleyes: (and I prefer an X-wing uniform for this character eventually myself)

BTW: does his head sculpt remind anyone of the vintage (1980) Luke Bespin figure? I tripped on that. Tycho - in the comics and those movie pics (if any of the pilots are really him - since he was created and named after the fact - like in '96 or '97, not in 1983, hehe) has darker, sandy blonde hair, not unlike my own - another reason I picked him for my online namesake. We look alike in some ways.

But who is really who in the pictures posted by Barada and Jargo?

DEAD - is Arvel Crynyd who hit the Executor bridge in a kamikaze run. We have a still of him in the thread above. Was Arvel Crynyd "Green Leader" or was it some other guy?

Tycho Celchu - he would have the military rank to command Green Squadron. He'd been a captain in the TIE Fighter forces of the Empire before he deserted when the Imperials destroyed his home planet of Alderaan. But the guy that is presumably Green Leader giving orders in ROTJ is seriously older than Tycho would be - who's only a year or so apart in age from Wedge Antilles. In this way he's naturally set up to be Wedge's friend and Executive Officer.

Green Leader - he's got to be the older guy. This does not appear to be Arvel Crynyd, as I think Green Leader is still alive and makes a partial run for the Death Star's reactor with Lando and Wedge, but Lando orders him out to "take some of those TIE fighters with you." Or was that Arvel Crynyd?

Was there a mistake in the actual movie? Did they not think anyone would pay that close attention or care so they used the extras at hand? Or if not, how do we sort this out? I tried to come to a conclusion with many here before when that Rebel Pilot 3-pack came out in 1999 and I was saying, "that's not Arvel Crynyd," but many weren't interested.

Meanwhile, can Tycho's helmet go on over the flight cap, or do you just pretend it does?

bigbarada
06-22-2007, 01:42 AM
I should chime in on this whole Tycho thing. Now everyone is aware of my namesake if they weren't already. :rolleyes: (and I prefer an X-wing uniform for this character eventually myself)

BTW: does his head sculpt remind anyone of the vintage (1980) Luke Bespin figure? I tripped on that. Tycho - in the comics and those movie pics (if any of the pilots are really him - since he was created and named after the fact - like in '96 or '97, not in 1983, hehe) has darker, sandy blonde hair, not unlike my own - another reason I picked him for my online namesake. We look alike in some ways.

But who is really who in the pictures posted by Barada and Jargo?

DEAD - is Arvel Crynyd who hit the Executor bridge in a kamikaze run. We have a still of him in the thread above. Was Arvel Crynyd "Green Leader" or was it some other guy?

Tycho Celchu - he would have the military rank to command Green Squadron. He'd been a captain in the TIE Fighter forces of the Empire before he deserted when the Imperials destroyed his home planet of Alderaan. But the guy that is presumably Green Leader giving orders in ROTJ is seriously older than Tycho would be - who's only a year or so apart in age from Wedge Antilles. In this way he's naturally set up to be Wedge's friend and Executive Officer.

Green Leader - he's got to be the older guy. This does not appear to be Arvel Crynyd, as I think Green Leader is still alive and makes a partial run for the Death Star's reactor with Lando and Wedge, but Lando orders him out to "take some of those TIE fighters with you." Or was that Arvel Crynyd?

Was there a mistake in the actual movie? Did they not think anyone would pay that close attention or care so they used the extras at hand? Or if not, how do we sort this out? I tried to come to a conclusion with many here before when that Rebel Pilot 3-pack came out in 1999 and I was saying, "that's not Arvel Crynyd," but many weren't interested.

Meanwhile, can Tycho's helmet go on over the flight cap, or do you just pretend it does?

My understanding of what happened with the movie is that Ten Nunb was supposed to be a major characters in the DS2 battle. Because they had a very complex puppet (similar to Nein Nunb) made for the B-Wing sequence. When that was cut for whatever reason, I guess they had to fill in the battle and cast "Green Leader" in post-production or secondary shooting. Similar to how they had to reshoot Greedo's Cantina scene with two different actors. I'm assuming the Sullustan puppet got recycled as Nein Numb by the time they started reshoots.

There is clearly one main A-Wing Pilot, only refered to as Green Leader, who seems to be very competent and in charge (and very young, I don't know where you're getting this idea that he is older than Wedge). That is supposed to be the same pilot who rams the Super Star Destroyer.

The second A-Wing Pilot, the old guy whose only line is "Roger, Bravo Leader," seems to be just a last minute extra added in to help flesh that scene out.

MrJabbaJohnL: I'm working on getting some more screen grabs of that kamikaze run; but it really is starting to look like a car to me, too.:stupid:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Not to keep taking this thread off the topic of the figure, but . . . I watched the scene last night frame-by-frame on the DVD and it looks somewhat like a car but not too much, I guess. The front end looks like a bumper and one wheel, but after that it's blurry but in the shape of a rectangle (like a car from that time would be). It may not be a car, but it sure as hell doesn't look like an A-wing. :p

bigbarada
07-11-2007, 12:31 AM
Well, it looks like we did some good here. Hasbro is now aware of the problem and will consider fixing it if they ever rerelease the upcoming A-Wing Pilot figure.

I guess that's the best we can hope for right now.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-11-2007, 01:36 PM
Well, it looks like we did some good here. Hasbro is now aware of the problem and will consider fixing it if they ever rerelease the upcoming A-Wing Pilot figure.

I guess that's the best we can hope for right now.
We should all thank the person who proposed that this question be asked in the first place. Why, you're welcome. ;)

Hopefully by the time they get a new helmet we'll have a head variant too.

Tycho
07-11-2007, 03:55 PM
I'm pretty schizophrenic so to be accurate, I'd have lots of different heads about me. :crazed:

Did you see that chicken?

Jargo
07-11-2007, 08:15 PM
maybe they'll fix the pilot's giraffe neck too. lol

JediTricks
07-11-2007, 10:33 PM
I still don't think the neck is going to be a problem by the time the figure comes out, I suspect it was just a mistake at photography, the hardcopy at CIV was fine.

bigbarada
02-20-2008, 03:24 AM
Thanks for fixing the helmet for the upcoming Wal-Mart Exclusive A-Wing, Hasbro.:thumbsup: TF08 has proven that you really do listen to the fans and collectors. :cool:

Now, about those Skiff Guards....... :whip:

JediTricks
02-20-2008, 11:22 PM
The Q&A worked! Kick arse! Yarna and this, that's 2 we pushed until they got it right, go us!

bigbarada
02-22-2008, 10:00 AM
So, did they have any photos of this guy at TF? From the looks of things it was just the one slide.

In any case, I was almost more excited to see this than to see Yarna. But I think that was because rumors of Yarna were already floating around a few days before, so I was kind of expecting to see her. This Green Leader A-Wing rerelease took me completely by surprise.... but what a happy surprise it was!:thumbsup:

JediTricks
02-22-2008, 11:11 PM
They wouldn't have it at TF because the show is for all retailers, there's no reason to bring exclusives other stores cannot buy.

Gothiczartan
02-26-2008, 08:33 AM
ALRIGHT!

they finally made a figure with a different helmet the one comes with the a wing!

I hope they make the rest of the pilots with same similar looking helmets seen in the ROTJ!

ramocan
10-02-2008, 04:03 PM
Hi all,

I think no one has brought this up, but actually we were given an A-wing helmet in the Cinema Pack of the rebel pilots.

http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/toys/potftennumbleft.jpg


If you take a look at Ten Numb's helmet, it actually is the same as Green Leader's!!

I'm painting my "Arvel" figure's uniform in gray this week, my "Ten" figure in red, and I'll try switching the heads from a Nien Numb to a the Ten Numb, so that I can have Ten's half helmet for an A-Wing pilot.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-02-2008, 05:55 PM
Hi all,

I think no one has brought this up, but actually we were given an A-wing helmet in the Cinema Pack of the rebel pilots.

http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/toys/potftennumbleft.jpg


If you take a look at Ten Numb's helmet, it actually is the same as Green Leader's!!

I'm painting my "Arvel" figure's uniform in gray this week, my "Ten" figure in red, and I'll try switching the heads from a Nien Numb to a the Ten Numb, so that I can have Ten's half helmet for an A-Wing pilot.
That is a B-wing helmet, not an A-wing helmet, though they do look close. There have been three recent B-wing pilot figures within the past few months, including a new Ten Numb. The only proper A-wing helmet of the modern line is coming with the Wal-Mart A-wing in a few weeks.

bigbarada
10-02-2008, 06:16 PM
I tried using the old Ten Nunb helmet on a human character, but it's just too big and doesn't fit properly. However, the helmet from the Keyan Farlander figure, from the new Evolutions pack, actually fits the Tycho Celchu figure better than the helmet that comes with Tycho.

While there are some A-Wing Pilots that are seen wearing B-Wing Pilot (and Y-Wing Pilot) helmets in the Rebel Hangar, the actual helmet worn by Green Leader (Arvel Crynyd) in the film is a completely different design and doesn't really have anything in common with the other helmets.

You can see the differences pretty clearly in the attached photo.