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Beast
07-05-2007, 11:01 PM
I'm surprised noone is talking about this yet. I'm a huge fan of the franchise. I'm actually intrigued where they can go with the series after the end of Saw III.

Originally it was implied that Saw IV was going to follow Jeff trying to recover his daughter and escape Jigsaw's posthumous trap. But the synopsis and cast list sounds like that's no longer the plan. But from the info on Wikipedia, it sounds like we'll at least get an answer to what was in the envelope John left for Amanda. Can't wait!

Jigsaw and his apprentice Amanda are dead.

Now, upon the news of Detective Kerry's murder, two seasoned FBI profilers, Agent Strahm and Agent Perez, arrive in the terrified community to assist the veteran Detective Hoffman in sifting through Jigsaw's latest grizzly remains and piecing together the puzzle.

However, when SWAT Commander Rigg is abducted and thrust into a game, the last officer untouched by Jigsaw has but ninety minutes to overcome a series of demented traps and save an old friend or face the deadly consequences.

Starring Scott Patterson, Betsy Russell, Costas Mandylor, Lyriq Bent, Athena Karkanis, Justin Louis, Simon Reynolds, Mike Realba, Marty Adams and Tobin Bell as Jigsaw.
FYI: Betsy Russell played John's old honey as was glimpsed in the memory flashes that Jigsaw suffers during Saw III. So I'm almost wondering if she's going to have taken up the game in place of her deceased love. Might be an interesting take on things. :)

Info and first picture from Saw IV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_IV

JimJamBonds
07-05-2007, 11:08 PM
Well its from Wiki so it has to be true right!?!?!?!

Beast
07-05-2007, 11:10 PM
Well its from Wiki so it has to be true right!?!?!?!
The plot synopsis and cast list was released officially by Lionsgate.

Agreed, Wikipedia is unreliable. But the info on Wiki links to interviews. ;)

2-1B
07-05-2007, 11:23 PM
I read an interview with Bousman on some other site and he was giddy about the twist involving Jigsaw in this one...sounded kinda interesting (for a cash cow).

Beast
07-05-2007, 11:28 PM
I read an interview with Bousman on some other site and he was giddy about the twist involving Jigsaw in this one...sounded kinda interesting (for a cash cow).
Watch it be revealed that Jigsaw has a healthy twin brother or something. :p

JimJamBonds
07-06-2007, 10:49 PM
Watch it be revealed that Jigsaw has a healthy twin brother or something. :p

Kinda like Laverne from Scrubs ehh? :D

Beast
07-25-2007, 01:45 PM
Here's the official poster for Saw IV. I wonder how long before someone photoshops Admiral Ackbar's head into the scale with a tagline like that. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Saw4.jpg

Jedi_Master_Guyute
07-25-2007, 03:14 PM
Here's the official poster for Saw IV. I wonder how long before someone photoshops Admiral Ackbar's head into the scale with a tagline like that. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Saw4.jpg

Ha. Ackbar.

and NO WAY IN HELL theaters will allow that in their lobbies after the barrage of complaints it'll get.

Beast
07-25-2007, 03:21 PM
And it's already happened. Here's Saw IV's poster with Ackbar's head. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Saw4Ackbar.jpg

and NO WAY IN HELL theaters will allow that in their lobbies after the barrage of complaints it'll get.
I don't know. It's not overly bloody or gorey. But I don't see the 'IV' represened.

2-1B
07-25-2007, 09:18 PM
They wouldn't even let them have a pair of severed fingers for 2 . . . no way they let a head fly like that.

JimJamBonds
07-25-2007, 10:40 PM
Here I was hoping the tag was going to be "Its a trap!"

Beast
07-29-2007, 12:37 AM
Saw IV has been slapped with an NC-17.

From IGN:

July 27, 2007 - Director Darren Lynn Bousman, star Tobin Bell and producer Oren Koules were at Comic-Con Thursday to present the first footage from Saw IV, which the filmmakers revealed was branded today with the dreaded NC-17 rating by the MPAA.

The filmmakers said they didn't know what they were going to do to attain an "R" rating but that the film will still meet its October release date. They said the MPAA objected not so much to the violence and gore as to the overall intensity of the sequel.

The filmmakers also revealed that the scene they had wanted to show fans at Comic-Con was rejected by the powers-that-be at the convention for being too violent, so they instead showed a different scene that nevertheless proved to be a disturbingly delightful treat for Saw fans.

The scene opens with a bald man waking up in a seemingly empty room, just as so many other of Jigsaw's victims have before, but this man has had his eyelids sewn shut! There is a shackle around his neck with a long chain that leads him to a second man lying across the room. The second man has his mouth sewn shut.

In between the blind man and the mute man is one of Jigsaw's traps. As the blind man tries to drag the mute man towards him - leading the chains through the gears of the machine - the mute man sees a key dangling from the shackle on the back of the blind man's neck. If he's to free himself he must get the key but to do that he will need to fight off the bigger, stronger blind man while dodging the sharp tools the blind man is hurling at him. Their struggle grows more intense and bloody once the mute man tries to gain the upper hand.

So who wins the death match? You'll have to go see Saw IV this Halloween to find out!

UKWildcat
07-30-2007, 12:34 AM
Sounds interesting. I'm eagerly awaiting the 4th installment as I absolutely love the franchise (just check out the av). :)

2-1B
07-30-2007, 06:14 PM
They'll get that trimmed to an R, no question. They probably beefed it up to get an NC-17 just so they can have publicity about how they trimmed it down...then they'll hype it up for the DVD release which will be Unrated, "the version you couldn't see in theaters."

It'll be rated R, no doubt.

Beast
08-30-2007, 02:34 PM
They released the final Saw IV movie poster. I have to say, it's a big departure. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Saw4Final.jpg

2-1B
08-30-2007, 08:27 PM
I like the poster, love the combo of the high heels and the pig mask. lol

Beast
08-30-2007, 08:33 PM
I like the poster, love the combo of the high heels and the pig mask. lol
The "It's a Trap" tagline still bugs the hell out of me though.

But I blame Admiral Ackbar for that. Otherwise, it would be fine. ;)

Beast
10-23-2007, 08:28 PM
Just a heads-up for those of you eagerly anticipating Saw IV. :)


AMC THEATRES OFFERS GUESTS A "CUTTING" EDGE VALUE: "SAWFEST" MOVIE MARATHON ON THURSDAY, OCT. 25, 2007

An Experience Not for the Faint of Heart: See Saw(s) I, II, III ... and SAW IV All for the Price of a Single Admission Ticket.

Kansas City, Mo. (October 19, 2007) - In a move to challenge serious horror movie buffs, AMC Theatres today announced details of Sawfest, a marathon of the three previously-released "Saw" movies leading up to the midnight show of the newest installation, "Saw IV," all for the price of a single admission ticket.

Sawfest will take place Thurs., Oct. 25, in 42 participating AMC theatres in 25 U.S. markets. The marathon will begin at 6 p.m. with short intermissions between each film, culminating in the 12:01 a.m. release of "Saw IV." Seating is limited and tickets are available today at all participating AMC theatres and at AMCTheatres.com (the list of participating theatres is attached).

"The "Saw" series is quickly becoming a Halloween tradition, and we've seen few horror films release on the same date because of its recent success," said Zach Baze, vice president, marketing, at AMC Theatres. "Sawfest is a rare opportunity for fans to see this exciting film series in succession, building to the much anticipated release of "Saw IV."

The "Saw" film series is a popular horror film franchise created by James Wan and Leigh Whannell, beginning in 2004 and continuing to the present. The series' main plot revolves around the Jigsaw Killer, a vigilante who kidnaps victims and places them in deadly traps to test them and see if they are deserving of the life they have abused. The victims, almost always chosen because they have taken their lives for granted, are usually linked to each other in one way or another. The films tend to conclude with a twist-ending that wraps things up, but also creates more questions to be answered in the following film.

Guests who attend Sawfest are free to come and go throughout the duration of the series, but will need to keep and produce their ticket stub to ensure re-admission into the Sawfest auditorium. Due to the "R" ratings of each of the films, guests under 17 will not be admitted without a parent or guardian.

STATE MARKET THEATRE
Arizona Phoenix AMC Mesa Grand 24
Arizona Phoenix AMC Deer Valley 30 with IMAX
California Los Angeles AMC Universal City 19 with IMAX
California Los Angeles AMC 30 at The Block
California Los Angeles AMC Burbank 16
California Los Angeles AMC Ontario Mills 30
California Los Angeles AMC Norwalk 20
California Los Angeles AMC Del Amo 18
California Oakland AMC Bay Street 16
California San Diego AMC Mission Valley 20
California San Diego AMC Palm Promenade 24
California San Jose AMC Mercado 20
California San Francisco AMC Metreon 16 with IMAX
Colorado Denver AMC Westminster Promenade 24
District of Columbia Washington AMC Hoffman Center 22
Florida Miami AMC Sunset Place 24
Florida Miami AMC Aventura 24
Florida Orlando AMC Loews Universal Cineplex 20
Florida Orlando AMC Pleasure Island 24
Florida Tallahassee AMC Tallahassee Mall 20
Georgia Atlanta AMC Southlake Pavilion 24
Illinois Chicago AMC Loews Streets of Woodfield 20
Illinois Chicago AMC Crestwood 10
Kansas Kansas City AMC Studio 30 with IMAX
Maryland Baltimore AMC Loews White Marsh 16
Massachusetts Boston AMC Loews Boston Common 19
Michigan Detroit AMC Star Southfield 20
New Jersey Clifton AMC Clifton Commons 16
New Jersey New Brunswick AMC Loews New Brunswick 18
New Jersey Elizabeth AMC Loews Jersey Gardens 20
New York New York City AMC Empire 25
New York New York City AMC Loews Palisades Center 21
New York New York City AMC Loews 34th Street 14
Ohio Cincinnati AMC Newport on the Levee 20
Ohio Columbus AMC Easton Town Center 30 with IMAX
Pennsylvania Philadelphia AMC Neshaminy 24
Pennsylvania Philadelphia AMC Loews Cherry Hill 24
Pennsylvania Pittsburgh AMC Loews Waterfront 22
Texas Dallas AMC The Parks at Arlington 18
Texas Dallas AMC Mesquite 30
Texas Houston AMC Gulf Pointe 30
Virginia Norfolk AMC Hampton 24
Washington Seattle AMC Loews Alderwood 16

About AMC Entertainment Inc. Headquartered in Kansas City, Mo., AMC Entertainment Inc. is one of the world's largest and most innovative theatrical exhibition companies. With a history of industry leadership dating back to 1920, the company today serves more than 230 million guests annually through interests in 360 theatres with 5,140 screens in six countries. www.amctheatres.com.

General_Grievous
10-28-2007, 12:19 AM
SPOILERS

I watched the movie tonight. I thought it was going to suck, but it ended up being pretty good. I liked seeing some of Jigsaw's backstory and how he took to torturing people. It tied up some of the loose ends from the third one (the subplot of the guy looking for his daughter finally coming to a close) and created new ones, like John's new predecessor. The deaths weren't as gory as the last ones, save for Detective Matthews'. That was damn grisly. Overall, I think the Saw franchise is on a way better track than, say, the "Friday the 13th" or "Nightmare on Elm Street" series.

stillakid
10-28-2007, 10:27 AM
MOVIE REVIEW
'Saw IV'

A craftless touch and graphic violence make 'Saw IV' a disgusting addition to the series.














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By Scott Schueller, Chicago Tribune


The original "Saw" opened anonymously in 2004 and became an unexpected box-office juggernaut, thanks to the writing/directing team of Leigh Whannell and James Wan's original story, graphic violence and edgy feel.

Success breeds sequels and, three iterations later, Lionsgate brings us "Saw IV," a film as edgy as a rubber knife.

"Saw IV" finds SWAT Commander Rigg (Lyriq Bent) as the most recent puppet of posthumous villain Jigsaw (Tobin Bell). Delivering his message from the autopsy table, Jigsaw forces Rigg through a number of tough decisions to save his wife and himself.

Since the original "Saw," cancer patient Jigsaw has tortured his victims to teach them to enjoy life and let go of the vices that cloud their happiness, and as Rigg's story unfolds, so does the explanation of how Jigsaw continues to pull these strings despite his "Saw III" demise.

Director Darren Lynn Bousman has been at the helm of the franchise since "Saw II," and his attention here focuses solely on moving the story along, leaving no room for notable performances or for the characters to reason or surprise us with their next moves.

FBI Agent Strahm (Scott Patterson, much better as Luke in "Gilmore Girls") walks in and inexplicably dissects every crime scene, and Rigg's trailing of clues is as predictable as a golf course you've played a hundred times.

If the terrible craft of Bousman's film doesn't turn your stomach, the borderline pornographic violence will. It's disconcerting to imagine anyone enjoying the vile filth splashing the screen.

If you like your films disgusting, deplorable and demoralizing rather than smart, scary and suspenseful, go ahead and feed the coffers of "Saw IV's" makers.

If you don't, please don't give the studio a reason to make "Saw V." Please.

"Saw IV." MPAA rating: R for sequences of grisly bloody violence and torture throughout, and for language. Running time: 1 hour, 35 minutes. In general release.

Beast
10-28-2007, 10:52 AM
SPOILERS

I watched the movie tonight. I thought it was going to suck, but it ended up being pretty good. I liked seeing some of Jigsaw's backstory and how he took to torturing people. It tied up some of the loose ends from the third one (the subplot of the guy looking for his daughter finally coming to a close) and created new ones, like John's new predecessor. The deaths weren't as gory as the last ones, save for Detective Matthews'. That was damn grisly. Overall, I think the Saw franchise is on a way better track than, say, the "Friday the 13th" or "Nightmare on Elm Street" series.
Agreed. An excellent follow-up to Saw III.

Finally getting more detail into John's history and what drove him to this is great.

The various twists at the end left me reeling. But after 'digesting' them, it worked.

As for the above review, did Scott Schueller even watch the movie? :confused:

JetsAndHeels
10-28-2007, 12:11 PM
Thanks for the reviews guys. Glad you enjoyed the film.

I plan on catching it later on during this week.

2-1B
10-28-2007, 12:20 PM
SPOILER QUESTIONS:


Did I miss something with how they knew Amanda was an accomplice ? Yeah that Hoffman guy would know but he "shouldn't" have known as a cop...assuming the storyline was happening at the same time as Saw 3.

Also I'm not sure when they got Hoffman involved as a "fan" of Jigsaw's work...I gotta watch this thing again.

Beast
10-28-2007, 01:29 PM
SPOILER QUESTIONS:


Did I miss something with how they knew Amanda was an accomplice ? Yeah that Hoffman guy would know but he "shouldn't" have known as a cop...assuming the storyline was happening at the same time as Saw 3.

Also I'm not sure when they got Hoffman involved as a "fan" of Jigsaw's work...I gotta watch this thing again.
Who suggested her as the accomplice? Was it Hoffman?

If it wasn't, they could be going off the information provided by Det. Matthew's son.

Or they discovered some evidence in Jigsaw's Lair from Saw II after the fact.

I'm sure Hoffman's induction into Jigsaw's game and him becoming his Apprentice will be explored in the next one. Since they like to fill things in later. Though I'm hoping they get around to what was in the envelope, since they teased it here.

I just wish they could settle the problems between the Producers and Carey Elwes before Saw V or VI. Since it would be great to reveal him as the real Jigsaw Apprentice at some point. Especially since the clues still point to him, especially the limping Jigsaw in Saw II, who put the key behind the first victim's eye.

JetsAndHeels
10-28-2007, 02:03 PM
I just wish they could settle the problems between the Producers and Carey Elwes before Saw V or VI.

Wait, so is there actually a plan to have more of these films? Or are you just saying that because of the success and you feel there will be more?

2-1B
10-28-2007, 02:04 PM
Yeah Beastie, I believe Hoffman said "Amanda Young" when they were inspecting Det. Kerry's corpse...remember in Saw 3 before she died and she saw someone in the shadows and said "you!" ? Obviously in Saw 3 that was a red herring for Amanda because we never saw the person but were supposed to think it was Amanda. OR maybe at the time it WAS Amanda but in the interest of further sequels, they had that "out" to use for the insertion of another accomplice. ;)

I guess they could have tagged Amanda as an accomplice between 2 and 3 but they better show that in 5 or I will be ticked off.

I liked the movie, found it enjoyable (save for Det. Matthews' fate :cry: ) but they are definitely getting goofy with these twists. lol

Beast
10-28-2007, 03:22 PM
Wait, so is there actually a plan to have more of these films? Or are you just saying that because of the success and you feel there will be more?
Yeah, Saw IV was the start of the 'New Saw Trilogy'.

They're currently talking about filming Saw V and Saw VI back to back.

There's still a lot of stuff to reveal in the next two films about all four films. What was in the envelope left for Amanda. When Hoffman was tested and how he started working with Jigsaw. How some of the characters like Obi are connected to Jigsaw, Amanda, or Hoffman. What happens to the FBI Agent and Jeff's Daughter after Saw IV. Also we saw Jigsaw building a box/coffin of glass shards in Saw IV that wasn't used during the film. So that will likely turn up in V or VI.

Beast
10-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Yeah Beastie, I believe Hoffman said "Amanda Young" when they were inspecting Det. Kerry's corpse...remember in Saw 3 before she died and she saw someone in the shadows and said "you!" ? Obviously in Saw 3 that was a red herring for Amanda because we never saw the person but were supposed to think it was Amanda.
I thought there's a flashback at the end of Saw III when they show Amanda step out of the shadows and reveal herself to Det. Kerry. But Hoffman could have easily stepped out of the shadows behind her after the cut-away.

I liked the movie, found it enjoyable (save for Det. Matthews' fate :cry: ) but they are definitely getting goofy with these twists. lol
I'm just glad that they followed up on Det. Matthews. Sure it sucks he died, but at least the movie is brave enough to show that nobody is safe. Hell, they had the brass ones to kill Jigsaw and Amanda. Considering pretty much everyone from the first 3 films are now dead. With the only dangler being Dr. Gordon.

2-1B
10-28-2007, 03:32 PM
I thought there's a flashback at the end of Saw III when they show Amanda step out of the shadows and reveal herself to Det. Kerry. But Hoffman could have easily stepped out of the shadows behind her after the cut-away.

Oh yeah...forgot about that.

But how the hell did the cops know Amanda was in on it?

Beast
10-28-2007, 05:46 PM
Oh yeah...forgot about that.

But how the hell did the cops know Amanda was in on it?
Either it's a plot hole, or they suspect her after what happened in Saw II.

I'm thinking it's the second. Considering the state that Jigsaw was in during Saw II.

Hopefully it will be explored or revealed in Saw V. Maybe Hoffman planted/discovered evidence that connected Amanda to Jigsaw for her test. Maybe that's what's in the envelope that he left for Amanda which got her so distraught. That the police know who she is and what she's done as Jigsaw's Apperntice.

Or maybe it's another of Hoffman's clues to Rigg, preparing him for his upcoming test. That if Rigg would have paid closer attention, he would have had an advantage. Just like his earlier warning about barging through a unsecured door when they found Det. Kerry's body. After all, Jigsaw wants people to win his games.

General_Grievous
10-28-2007, 06:00 PM
With the only dangler being Dr. Gordon.

I remember reading somewhere that the producers stated that Gordon was dead as well.

Beast
10-28-2007, 06:13 PM
I remember reading somewhere that the producers stated that Gordon was dead as well.
The only statement I've seen is in one of the Extras on the SE of the first Saw.

That even a year later, Dr. Gordon's whereabouts are still unknown.