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Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-17-2007, 04:55 PM
From SSG:
01: Zutton [aka Blue Snaggletooth] (Original Trilogy Collection - Mos Eisley Cantina Screen Scene)
02: Zev Senesca (The Saga Collection - Rogue II Snowspeeder vehicle)
03: Ephant Mon (Saga)
04: Shadow Stormtrooper (TSC - StarWarsShop.com exclusive)
05: Bespin Guard [repaint to black ethnicity] (Power of the Jedi)
06: Graxol Kelvyyn (Episode I - Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
07: Spacetrooper (Power of the Force 2 Expanded Universe)
08: Colonel Wulf Yularen (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
09: Utapau Shadow Trooper (Revenge of the Sith - Target Exclusive)
10: Yaddle & Even Piell as a 2-pack (Saga - Jedi High Council Screen Scenes 1 & 2)

From Rebelscum:
1) Commander Neyo
2) Shadow Stormtrooper
3) Spacetrooper
4) Zev Senesca
5) Covert Ops Clone Trooper
6) Ephant Mon
7) Graxol Kelvyyn
8) Durge (Swoop Rider)
9) Zutton (Blue Snaggletooth)
10) Utapau Shadow Clone Trooper

From Jedidefender:
#1 (tie) - Chewbacca (RotS Early Bird Kit)
#1 (tie) - Stormtrooper (2004 VOTC Sculpt)
#3 (tie) - Blue Snaggletooth (OTC Cantina Aliens Cinema Scene)
#3 (tie) - Graxol Kelvyyn (TPM Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
#5 - Zev Senesca (TSC Snowspeeder Pack-In)
#6 (tie) - Ephant Mon (Saga Basic Figure)
#6 (tie) - Feltipern Trevagg (OTC Basic Figure)
#8 (tie) - Biker Scout (30AC Tin Version w/flip-up visor)
#8 (tie) - R3-A2 (Saga Battle of Hoth Multi-Pack)
#8 (tie) - Space Trooper (POTF2 Basic Figure)

From SWCollector:
1. VOTC Stormtrooper
2. TSC Shadow Stormtrooper
3. Saga Ephant Monn
4. ROTS Covert Ops Clone Trooper
5. TSC Zev Senesca
6. TSC 501st Legion Stormtrooper
7. Saga/Clone Wars ARC Trooper (red variant, non-animated)

The other sites don't yet have them up, but in case you wanted to see them, here they are. Frankly I'm quite disappointed in many of these choices. The Covert Ops Clone Trooper is the only one I still need (and I doubt Hasbro will make a black Bespin Guard). Seeing the VOTC Stormtrooper on there in a few places is just stupid since the TAC figure is the same sculpt (with the obvious added removable helmet, but if you don't like it then leave it on) in much, much better plastic (my VOTC guy is already yellowing and the helmet doesn't fit very well).

JediTricks
08-17-2007, 04:58 PM
Since the voting was public, anybody could have gotten the results if they wanted, but I know it's not something most of you want to do, so here are the top 30 results from both rounds.

Round 1 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=35809):
Blue Snaggletooth [aka Zutton, blue, with alternate limbs] (Original Trilogy Collection - Mos Eisley Cantina Screen Scene)
Ephant Mon (Saga)
Zev Senesca (The Saga Collection - Rogue II Snowspeeder vehicle)
Commander Jorg Sacul (Saga - Celebration II exclusive)
Covert Ops Clone Trooper (Revenge of the Sith - StarWarsShop.com exclusive)
Colonel Wulf Yularen (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
Bespin Guard [repainted black ethnicity] (POTJ)
Sio Bibble (Ep I)
Graxol Kelvyyn (Ep I - Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
Chief Bast [must include hat] (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
Chewbacca [VOTC Chewie with new ANH head] (ROTS/TSC Early Bird Kit)
Shadow Stormtrooper (TSC - StarWarsShop.com exclusive)
General Tagge (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
Utapau Shadow Trooper (ROTS - Target Exclusive)
Oola (POTF2 - Fan Club exclusive)
Amanaman (POTJ Deluxe)
Yaddle & Even Piell 2-pack (Saga - Jedi High Council Screen Scenes 1 & 2)
Wedge Antilles (Original Trilogy Collection - Internet Exclusive)
Shakka [aka red Twi'lek] (Ep I - Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
Paploo (POTJ - Imperial AT-ST & Speeder Bike vehicle set)
Spacetrooper (POTF2 EU)
Queen Amidala Battle [aka Padme Ascension Gun] (Episode I)
J'Quille (Saga)
Battle Droid Security [perhaps a 2-pack] (POTJ)
Holographic Darth Sidious (Ep I)
EU Princess Leia (POTF2 Expanded Universe)
ARC Trooper [red version] (CW)
(tied for 28th) Stormtrooper (Vintage OTC)
(tied for 28th) Ree Yees (POTF2)
(tied for 28th) Rabe [aka Royal Handmaiden] (Post Original Trilogy Collection)
(tied for 28th) Han Solo (Vintage-style Original Trilogy Collection)
(tied for 28th) Durge [repainted to match basic version] (Clone Wars Deluxe)
(tied for 28th) Clone Trooper Republic Gunship Pilot [aka Clone Pilot from Ep 2] (Saga)
(tied for 28th) AT-RT Driver [white repaint] (TAC Ep 3 Commemorative Tin)Round 2 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=35846):
(tied for 1st) Blue Snaggletooth [aka Zutton, blue, with alternate limbs] (Original Trilogy Collection - Mos Eisley Cantina Screen Scene)
(tied for 1st) Zev Senesca (The Saga Collection - Rogue II Snowspeeder vehicle)
Ephant Mon (Saga)
Shadow Stormtrooper (TSC - StarWarsShop.com exclusive)
Bespin Guard [repainted black ethnicity] (POTJ)
Graxol Kelvyyn (Ep I - Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
Spacetrooper (POTF2 EU)
(tied for 8th) Utapau Shadow Trooper (ROTS - Target Exclusive)
(tied for 8th) Colonel Wulf Yularen (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
(tied for 8th) Yaddle & Even Piell 2-pack (Saga - Jedi High Council Screen Scenes 1 & 2)
(tied for 11th) Sio Bibble (Ep I)
(tied for 11th) Nute Gunray [re-deco'ed as hologram] (Ep I)
Shakka [aka red Twi'lek] (Ep I - Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
Paploo (POTJ - Imperial AT-ST & Speeder Bike vehicle set)
Oola (POTF2 - Fan Club exclusive)
Gungan Warrior [with POTJ Gungan's shield and atlatl accessories] (Ep I - Fambaa Creature)
Covert Ops Clone Trooper (Revenge of the Sith - StarWarsShop.com exclusive)
Stormtrooper (Vintage OTC)
Battle Droid Security [perhaps a 2-pack] (POTJ)
Chief Bast [must include hat] (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
Chewbacca [VOTC Chewie with new ANH head] (ROTS/TSC Early Bird Kit)
Wedge Antilles (Original Trilogy Collection - Internet Exclusive)
Durge [repainted to match basic version] (Clone Wars Deluxe)
Amanaman (POTJ Deluxe)
Queen Amidala Battle [aka Padme Ascension Gun] (Episode I)
Pablo-Jill (Post OTC)
Mara Jade (POTF2 EU)
Clone Trooper Republic Gunship Pilot [aka Clone Pilot from Ep 2] (Saga)
(tied for 29th) Red Royal Guard [Senate Security] (ROTS)
(tied for 29th) Han Solo (Vintage-style Original Trilogy Collection)
(tied for 29th) General Tagge (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)For the decision on the order of our final top 10 list culled from round 2, the order of those ties was decided by how they did in round 1.

I know there are some disappointments, some figures that we voted so hard for that came so close and didn't make it. Unfortunately they can't all be winners. But you all should know that by the end of round 2, there wasn't a single figure that didn't have the support of at least 5 votes, that's pretty darn good - and in my eyes, that makes each one a strong contender, so you should all be proud of the support you lent even if they didn't make the final 10.

Battle Droid
08-17-2007, 05:09 PM
Here's thejawa.com's

1 - 6 way TIE
Space Trooper (POTF2 Expanded Universe)
Shadow Stormtrooper (TSC - Online Exclusive)
Saleucami Clone Trooper (ROTS - Target Exclusive)
Gungan Warrior (EPISODE I Fambaa beast pack)
Paploo (POTJ - AT-ST & Speederbike)
Darth Sidious Hologram (EPISODE I)
7 - Graxol Kelvyyn (EPISODE I - Watto's Box)
8 - 2 way TIE
FX-7 (POTJ)
A-Wing Pilot (SAGA A-Wing)
10 - Security Battle Droid (POTJ)

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-17-2007, 05:16 PM
I'm mainly angry at the fact that on our site, the Yaddle/Even Piell set beat out Sio Bibble by one place - those figures were in sets of all-new figures that pegwarmed for an insanely long time, and yet most of us still don't have Sio Bibble.

JediTricks
08-17-2007, 05:35 PM
I merged your thread into mine. I spent 20 minutes working on mine but came up 3 mins after yours so you get to be the thread starter. :p

Sio Bibble I think is too much of an "old guy" action figure, not very interesting except to longterm hardcore collectors, many of whom did at some point in the last 7 years track him down. He placed pretty high for all of that though.

Beast
08-17-2007, 05:38 PM
I'm very disappointed to see that Nute Gunray: Holographic was just edged out of the Top 10. Especially when it seemed like this was probably the only chance in hell that he'd get released anytime soon. Curse you, Tank Man! :(

Devo
08-17-2007, 06:04 PM
Don't you reckon that the TAC stormtroopers removeable helmet will be yellow within 5 years? I'd expect that to turn yellow at an accelerated rate compared to the rest of the figure. I voted for the VOTC stormie primarily in an effort to just keep stormtroopers on the shelves. The Stormtrooper is at least as identifiably star wars as Darth Vader and yet its Vader we're forced to army build with endless basic figure releases and pack-ins.

Glad I'm not the only one whose formerly white troops have turned yellow. My ancient POTF2 Biker scouts are now stark yellow in the head and limbs, not quite so bad on the torso. Its saddening to think all my lovely VTSC scouts and all my stormies will eventually be the same way.

Not happy with the results from this poll. None of the ones I remember voting for ended up in the top ten so obviously on that score i'm not going to be happy. But I can't even say that theres any figures who would have made my 11-20 list.

I don't get why anyone would want the blue snaggletooth - it wasn't in the film, it isn't a great figure and it aint like this is going to be put on a vintage style card for nostalgia appeal.

The spacetrooper is outdated. What on earth do people want this thing released again for?

Encouraging a repaint of the existing bespin guard is a mistake - its an asian figure - painting it black would look bizarre. Don't people want an articulated resculpt of a black guy with a moustache more akin to the vintage figure? Repainting the potj one and calling it a different character would be almost as hard to stomach as the revelation of the entirety of the remaining ANH rogue squadron using the Dutch Vandar sculpt.

Anything else I either have already or didn't want first time around.

Umbra
08-17-2007, 09:09 PM
Well, i'm sad Shakka didn't make it, i could never find that damn box set ><

SSG only got me one of the 5 (6 if you count Jorg before hasbro decided to suck) - Colonel Wulf.

Happily, Rebelscum picked up a Durge figure, and SWcollector got the Red Arc, so thats something at least

Oh, and jeditemplearchives' list


ROTS Clone Trooper - Saleucami (Target)
TSC Shadow Stormtrooper (SWS)
TSC Zev Senesca (Snowspeeder)
POTF2 Graxol Kelvyyn (Watto's Box)
Ep. 1 Gungan Warrior (Fambaa creature set)
POTF2 Spacetrooper (Heir to the Empire)
05-01 Pablo-Jill (Geonosis Arena)
Saga Ultra Ewok with Attack Glider (Assault on Endor)
POTJ Paploo (AT-ST & speederbike)
Ep. 1 Darth Sidious (Hologram)

jedi master sal
08-17-2007, 10:57 PM
The four that seem to be showing up on most of the sites are:
TSC Shadow Stormtrooper (SWS)
TSC Zev Senesca (Snowspeeder)
POTF2 Graxol Kelvyyn (Watto's Box)
POTF2 Spacetrooper (Heir to the Empire)

I think that fact makes it apparent that they are the top choices overall from all of the contributing sites. Then it's just a matter of the 5th figure for that wave. I'm still waiting to see the other sites report in. That fifth spot is going to be hard to fill, I think, between all of the sites combined voting.

Kidhuman
08-17-2007, 11:25 PM
JJL, I thought hard about making Sio Bibble my replacement vote, but then voted against him with whomever I did put there sin ceI had him. Had I known it was you who needed him, I never would have entertained the thought of even voting for him. :p

Sorry.

Anyways, I am glad Graxol made most lists as did Zev.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-17-2007, 11:28 PM
JJL, I thought hard about making Sio Bibble my replacement vote, but then voted against him with whomever I did put there sin ceI had him. Had I known it was you who needed him, I never would have entertained the thought of even voting for him. :p

Sorry.

Anyways, I am glad Graxol made most lists as did Zev.
B*tch! :p

I can't understand why people want Zev on a basic card and not with a snowspeeder. He was only ever seen in the film IN a snowspeeder, so diorama-builders are back at square one . . .

Kidhuman
08-18-2007, 12:06 AM
Because people had bought the other snowspeeders released and didnt want another, so why pay 30 bucks for a figure really?

toonimator
08-18-2007, 12:07 AM
Hey, some people just like to get pilots, without the vehicle. Plus they can pretend it's pre-battle Zev, in winter gear, a pop him in an X-wing for some missions. Better a pilot without a ship than a Spacetrooper without any redeeming qualities whatsoever lol

bigbarada
08-18-2007, 12:59 AM
I'm glad to see that Ephant Mon made such a good showing. Here's hoping that we'll see him recarded again soon.

It doesn't look like Wulf Yularen fared as well.:cry:

Those were the main two that I wanted to see rereleased.

Lord Malakite
08-18-2007, 04:21 AM
There were tons of figures on the list I would of liked to seen again on shelves. Unfortunately you can't have them all, so I tried to be systematic about it.

I based my picks mainly on figures that I felt were either difficult to find (expensive on the second hand market) in their first run throughs (Sio Bibble, Holo Sidious, Blue Zutton) or were retooled to be somewhat new figures we have never seen before in the modern line (holo Nute, Black Bespin).

Characters like Oola, Durge, etc. would have also been nice to vote for, but they are still fairly easy/cheap to obtain today on the second hand market.

JediTricks
08-18-2007, 04:28 AM
I'm very disappointed to see that Nute Gunray: Holographic was just edged out of the Top 10. Especially when it seemed like this was probably the only chance in hell that he'd get released anytime soon. Curse you, Tank Man! :(Consider posting a question about it in the Q&A thread, I'll even throw in a mention that it came in a hair under our final 10.


I mainly voted on figures I thought collectors from all walks would enjoy seeing again that was also stuff I wouldn't mind too much.

Lord Malakite
08-18-2007, 04:43 AM
Encouraging a repaint of the existing bespin guard is a mistake - its an asian figure - painting it black would look bizarre. Don't people want an articulated resculpt of a black guy with a moustache more akin to the vintage figure? Repainting the potj one and calling it a different character would be almost as hard to stomach as the revelation of the entirety of the remaining ANH rogue squadron using the Dutch Vandar sculpt.
Don't forget, in addition to the asian Bespin Guard we also got a white Bespin Guard (included with the Carbonite Freezing Chamber Playset) for POTJ.

While simply repainting either former Bespin Guard black alone would look bizarre if that is all they did, I'm certain a minor retooled African American styled face/head isn't too far out of the question for such a figure.

There is no question that people would prefer a fully articulated resculpt over a simple repaint/head swap, but between the two possibilities the latter is probably our best chance at ever getting it as it would be the simplest/most economic way for Hasbro to justify releasing it.

jedi master sal
08-18-2007, 09:16 AM
Just reposting the different sites list to keep them altogether so we can check them without bouncing back and forth between posts and pages.


From SSG:
01: Zutton [aka Blue Snaggletooth] (Original Trilogy Collection - Mos Eisley Cantina Screen Scene)
02: Zev Senesca (The Saga Collection - Rogue II Snowspeeder vehicle)
03: Ephant Mon (Saga)
04: Shadow Stormtrooper (TSC - StarWarsShop.com exclusive)
05: Bespin Guard [repaint to black ethnicity] (Power of the Jedi)
06: Graxol Kelvyyn (Episode I - Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
07: Spacetrooper (Power of the Force 2 Expanded Universe)
08: Colonel Wulf Yularen (TSC - Death Star Briefing multipack)
09: Utapau Shadow Trooper (Revenge of the Sith - Target Exclusive)
10: Yaddle & Even Piell as a 2-pack (Saga - Jedi High Council Screen Scenes 1 & 2)

From Rebelscum:
1) Commander Neyo
2) Shadow Stormtrooper
3) Spacetrooper
4) Zev Senesca
5) Covert Ops Clone Trooper
6) Ephant Mon
7) Graxol Kelvyyn
8) Durge (Swoop Rider)
9) Zutton (Blue Snaggletooth)
10) Utapau Shadow Clone Trooper

From Jedidefender:
#1 (tie) - Chewbacca (RotS Early Bird Kit)
#1 (tie) - Stormtrooper (2004 VOTC Sculpt)
#3 (tie) - Blue Snaggletooth (OTC Cantina Aliens Cinema Scene)
#3 (tie) - Graxol Kelvyyn (TPM Watto's Box Cinema Scene)
#5 - Zev Senesca (TSC Snowspeeder Pack-In)
#6 (tie) - Ephant Mon (Saga Basic Figure)
#6 (tie) - Feltipern Trevagg (OTC Basic Figure)
#8 (tie) - Biker Scout (30AC Tin Version w/flip-up visor)
#8 (tie) - R3-A2 (Saga Battle of Hoth Multi-Pack)
#8 (tie) - Space Trooper (POTF2 Basic Figure)

From SWCollector:
1. VOTC Stormtrooper
2. TSC Shadow Stormtrooper
3. Saga Ephant Monn
4. ROTS Covert Ops Clone Trooper
5. TSC Zev Senesca
6. TSC 501st Legion Stormtrooper
7. Saga/Clone Wars ARC Trooper (red variant, non-animated)

From JediTempleArchives:
1. ROTS Clone Trooper - Saleucami (Target)
2. TSC Shadow Stormtrooper (SWS)
3. TSC Zev Senesca (Snowspeeder)
4. POTF2 Graxol Kelvyyn (Watto's Box)
5. Ep. 1 Gungan Warrior (Fambaa creature set)
6. POTF2 Spacetrooper (Heir to the Empire)
7. 05-01 Pablo-Jill (Geonosis Arena)
8. Saga Ultra Ewok with Attack Glider (Assault on Endor)
9. POTJ Paploo (AT-ST & speederbike)
10. Ep. 1 Darth Sidious (Hologram)

From thejawa.com:
1 - 6 way TIE
Space Trooper (POTF2 Expanded Universe)
Shadow Stormtrooper (TSC - Online Exclusive)
Saleucami Clone Trooper (ROTS - Target Exclusive)
Gungan Warrior (EPISODE I Fambaa beast pack)
Paploo (POTJ - AT-ST & Speederbike)
Darth Sidious Hologram (EPISODE I)
7 - Graxol Kelvyyn (EPISODE I - Watto's Box)
8 - 2 way TIE
FX-7 (POTJ)
A-Wing Pilot (SAGA A-Wing)
10 - Security Battle Droid (POTJ)

From FFURG.com:
1. Expanded Universe Luke Skywalker, POTF2 EU
2. Expanded Universe Leia Organa Solo, POTF2 EU
3. Ephant Mon, SAGA
4. Graxol Kelvyyn, EP1
5. Expanded Universe Spacetrooper, POTF2 EU
6. Padme Amidala (Lars Homestead), SAGA
7. Sio Bibble, EP1
8. Han Solo ANH, VOTC
9. Biker Scout w/Flip Visor, TAC - EP6 Tin
10. Gungan Warrior, POTJ

From JediInsider:
1. Shadow Stormtrooper
2. Spacetrooper
3. Blue Snaggletooth
4. Grand Moff Tarkin (Briefing room boxset)
5. Ephant Mon
6. Pablo-Jill
7. Zev Senesca
8. Coleman Trebor
9. R3-A2
10. Sio Bibble

So as of this posting it's REALLY looking like the following are heavy favorites (in no particular order):
Zev Senesca
Graxol Kelvyyn
Ephont Mon
Spacetrooper
Shadow Stormtrooper

-Sal

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-18-2007, 02:01 PM
Well it's good to see that EU Leia and Sio Bibble at least made it onto one or two of the lists. When does the official Hasbro vote start?

bigbarada
08-18-2007, 02:09 PM
Personally, I hate that the Shadow Stormtrooper did so well in these polls. It just means that Hasbro will try to shove more of this lazy, shadow-Imperial garbage down our throats instead of making new figures who were actually IN the movie.:mad:

jjreason
08-18-2007, 02:30 PM
I just look at RS's list and cringe, knowing they're the "loudest" voice in this. Another clonefest is upon us. :mad::cry::rolleyes:

bigbarada
08-18-2007, 03:05 PM
I'm seriously beginning to hate Clones.:mad:

I thought Hasbro was bad with the EP2 Jedi, but this is getting ridiculous.

Ji'dai
08-18-2007, 03:08 PM
More clones mean less money spent, so that's fine with me.

I didn't vote for Sio Bibble either, even though I never got one. I did actually see a couple on the pegs at K-Mart back then but passed due to poor paint jobs. Never saw another one again. In all honesty, I'd pass on the figure if I ever saw him on the pegs again.

darko666
08-18-2007, 03:37 PM
wow, no love for Oola? she's a legend in my eyes.

clone troopers are the most overused figures. the first wave of Legends covered it enough with 3 of them. there should be no duplicate figures in this series, a classic clone trooper and stormtrooper is enough. i like the sandtrooper as much as the next person, but i don't see how it's a legend compared to the regular stormtrooper. oh well, i will still buy them being the completist i am. i'm just sick of those clones.

Kidhuman
08-18-2007, 04:20 PM
Personally, I hate that the Shadow Stormtrooper did so well in these polls. It just means that Hasbro will try to shove more of this lazy, shadow-Imperial garbage down our throats instead of making new figures who were actually IN the movie.:mad:

I completely agree, I dont want any more of these "shadow" figures in the line up. They are crap.


I just look at RS's list and cringe, knowing they're the "loudest" voice in this. Another clonefest is upon us. :mad::cry::rolleyes:

What do you expect from that site? They did the first one and look how many clones there are. I dont understand why people dont realize that Hasbro will release clones no matter what. Use this opputunity to get some solid figures that need a re-release.


wow, no love for Oola? she's a legend in my eyes.

I was shocked also.


clone troopers are the most overused figures. the first wave of Legends covered it enough with 3 of them. there should be no duplicate figures in this series, a classic clone trooper and stormtrooper is enough. i like the sandtrooper as much as the next person, but i don't see how it's a legend compared to the regular stormtrooper. oh well, i will still buy them being the completist i am. i'm just sick of those clones.

Are you a carded completist? If not, that it doesnt pay to buy them really. What I dont understand about the sandtrooper is this, how much of an army can you have with them? They are in the movie for a few minutes and 4 at the most in a scene. With all the prior releases of it, you should have an army by now.

darko666
08-18-2007, 04:33 PM
yeah, i'm a carded completist. i very rarely remove star wars figures from their cards. i would have to buy a duplicate in order for me to open it.

bigbarada
08-18-2007, 05:09 PM
wow, no love for Oola? she's a legend in my eyes.


I'm hoping for a resculpt of Oola. The old POTF2 figure is hopelessly static and outdated compared to the modern Jabba's Palace figures. She doesn't need to be super-articulated, just able to strike a few good dancing poses.

jedi master sal
08-18-2007, 11:12 PM
What I dont understand about the sandtrooper is this, how much of an army can you have with them? They are in the movie for a few minutes and 4 at the most in a scene. With all the prior releases of it, you should have an army by now.

That's what I'm sayin' Bro.

I've got PLENTY. More than I think I really want of the Sandtrooper. I haven't seen any of the Legends one's yet, but can't think why I'd want any of them. Maybe ones of ranks we haven't yet got in that color paulron, but that's it. I'm not army building them. I've got a small army already.

mark2d2
08-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah, the amount of Clones on the Rebelscum list is beyond annoying. Clones seriously bore me, so much so that I haven't ever even bought one. Seriously, not ever. What's funny though is that the Saga Legends Clones from this year are totally clogging the pegs out here in LA...

JediTricks
08-19-2007, 04:09 PM
Yeah, I've noticed that the TAC wave 1 clones and the Saga Legends clones are just everywhere now. I think someone grossly overestimated the interest out there in army building.

jjreason
08-19-2007, 04:16 PM
There's no happy medium, apparently. 4 per case (like the Legends case) is obviously too many this time, but there have been plenty of other times when this mix would have sold right through (back when ROTS was out, for example, and you couldn't find a 6 or 41 on the pegs). Sometimes - rarely - I feel like it must be tough to be Hasbro.

JediTricks
08-19-2007, 04:26 PM
I've known for a while that the balance with clones and stormies is very delicate, that the market won't support it after a while. Honestly, it should come on strong and trickle down to a very small percentage IMO, maybe 1 per every other case asst to keep it on pegs but no more than that because it does overwhelm quickly. Instead, what they do is they send out low numbers of the initial run army builders at first and then build up to a heavier pace, but by then the excitement's over and everybody knows the limitations of the figure and what they do and don't want to do with it.


ROTS #41 is a good example because they thought they had it covered by even-packing it with 3 other army-builders in the first asst it was in, but they didn't count on the other figs in the case moving slower and one of them being a pegwarmer, so that case didn't move as well as it should. Demand remained high, so #6 started selling again for the casual collectors and those like me who didn't mind #6's limitations, but #41 was still slowly building up to its pace, and it took another 3 months for them to finally find a case asst that supported it well enough to find the figure freely - by then, most collectors had tracked them down and most casual consumers had just settled on #6.

Kidhuman
08-24-2007, 09:08 AM
When does the next round begin? We only have 7 more days before thier deadline

JediTricks
08-25-2007, 02:14 AM
I have no idea what's going on, they haven't contacted us with details yet. If it's Monday, it'll be too late, that's the 27th, 4 days would be nowhere near enough time for voting. My hope is that it'll start on the 31st instead of end then.

They're a little flaky about these things though, originally select entries from the Q&As were going to go up on their site... 14 months later, nada.

Sinscia Fat'o
08-25-2007, 11:37 AM
I understand that some of you hate clones, and hate EU Shadow Troopers, and are angry because you didn't get your figures you wanted, thats fine and understandable, we all have our respected opinions, but i don't see the point in bashing a figure because it's trash in your eyes.

What am i talking about?

The Shadow Storm Trooper.

I'm in very much of this figure being out on the mrket, and by looking at the results of this poll im not alone. It was a good figure which is expensive on the second hand market, and those of us that like EU, and like Crimson Empire may want to army build with this figure...which i plan on doing if it's brought back.

And for the clones, the one's voted for at Rebel Scum fall into the same catagory as The Shadow Stormy, they're hard to find and expensive when you do, thats the reason they were voted for, thats the reason we'll see them again. If you dont like it then dont buy them. Thats the best way for your voices to be heard, not by bashing other peoples choices with such a lack luster statement as "it's not in the movie..." It's star wars no matter which source it is like it or not. And if your on this thread you must be a star wars fan...so why bash things that aren't in the movie?

Kidhuman
08-25-2007, 12:29 PM
The problem is they keep getting voted for and are rotting on pegs in some areas. The shocktrooper is still here form last year. AOTC clones and ROTS clones have been reported as warming pegs already from this years line.

My point about clones is this: Hasbro will always release clones, no matter what they are in demand always, some more than others. Why vote for them if they will be released again anyway?

As for the Shadowtrooper, I dopnt care for them especially at 13 bucks a pop at Target. On a regular card, I might get one.

El Chuxter
08-25-2007, 01:04 PM
The real issue is that Sal stopped army building them. Just watch: it will hurt the stock market soon.

Sinscia Fat'o
08-25-2007, 01:54 PM
The problem is they keep getting voted for and are rotting on pegs in some areas. The shocktrooper is still here form last year. AOTC clones and ROTS clones have been reported as warming pegs already from this years line.

My point about clones is this: Hasbro will always release clones, no matter what they are in demand always, some more than others. Why vote for them if they will be released again anyway?

As for the Shadowtrooper, I dopnt care for them especially at 13 bucks a pop at Target. On a regular card, I might get one.

The Troopers are weird when it comes to peg warming, in my area Wal-Mart, and Kaybees (Which are the only two locations that sell figures around the general area), have no Troopers have any kind from Saga, Legends, or 30th. If i go down the road a few hours toward bristol, then Walmarts down there have Shock Troopers from Saga still clogging everything up. but of all the warming clones and of all the Vaders which one has a better chance of being bought? The Clones, because at least kids can justify buying another clone over that of the 50th Vader that they all have by now.

In truth the only figure that i seen from the Rebel Scum list that didn't make sense was Neyo, because he can still be found in the battle pack, but the salucmi shadow trooper, shadow storm trooper, scace trooper, are all perfectly good choices to be back on shelves, and a few of those won't see the light of day again if not for polls such as this.

jedi master sal
08-26-2007, 10:00 AM
The real issue is that Sal stopped army building them. Just watch: it will hurt the stock market soon.

Ha ha. Can't tell if that was a crack on me, or just some funnin'.

Seriously though, I've actually passed on AOTC clones now. Between what I did find at reatil in July and my hookups here and other collecting sites, I've finally reached my goal of SA AOTC Clones (100), plus I still have the other 450 AOTC styled clones (from the various other molds/releases).

And I haven't bought one of the ROTS Legends clones. I just don't need any more all white ROTS clones.

AmanaMatt
08-26-2007, 11:13 AM
I am glad to see Ephant Mon back and Blue Snaggletooth in there toward the top....that was probably my top choice carded..

JediTricks
08-26-2007, 10:52 PM
I thought this was a very unusual list myself, and I am getting troopered-out myself, but I do think it's interesting that it suggests the trend of new figures growing more obscure stems from the market interest rather than Hasbro running out of material.

TheRealDubya
08-27-2007, 03:54 PM
You know, I bought a Blue Zutton a few weeks ago and had high hopes, but it's actually kind of a lackluster figure. If they did some kitbashing or retooled it, it could be a great figure. I mean, it's not bad for what it is, but it could be tons better.

On another note, I too am completely cloned out. I am buying stormies and the occaisonal clone just for custom painting them, but man they're clogging around here.

I'm glad Ephant Mon is getting strong support, and Graxxol whosey-whatsit is a great figure too. Big, wierd aliens rule.

JediTricks
08-27-2007, 04:43 PM
The modern Blue Zutton figure is a kitbash, his arms and legs are from Ponda Baba.

Sinscia Fat'o
08-27-2007, 05:44 PM
I only seen blue snags once, and i wasn't impressed, but i was also in a strange buying habbit then, which means i didnt have much cash and had to be very reserved on what i purchased. I cant say i would buy him now if they brought him back, but i cant say i wouldnt either.

I think basic clones should be put on the back burner for now since majority of people are saying there're warming in their area, but around here there're pretty hard to come by. Though the AOTC basic was a welcomed return in my opinion since they were very hard to find when they were intitially realeased, and i have been casually builing with them, and the 501st, which i also missed on it's first go around...

I think the market for clones isnt dead, but more specialized into catagories of exclusives and such (Shadow troops, Utupai, Covery opps. ETC) But they are apart of the line now in a major way, and i cant really complain since i enjoy them, they add so much to my collection, and many others im sure.

TheRealDubya
08-27-2007, 08:10 PM
The modern Blue Zutton figure is a kitbash, his arms and legs are from Ponda Baba.

Yup, which is why his right arm comes off above the elbow for no good reason. So he'd need new arms and legs (the knee joint is lousy too.)

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-28-2007, 05:15 PM
Not to mention he uses the midget torso from the red version, which makes him look totally ridiculous.

He wasn't even released on a card in the vintage line, so I don't know why people are so hard for him.

El Chuxter
08-28-2007, 05:42 PM
Nor was Yak-Face. Not here, anyway. It was much, much easier to get a Blue Snaggletooth back in the day than it was to get Yak-Face. Still is, for that matter.

Rogue II
08-28-2007, 06:08 PM
He wasn't even released on a card in the vintage line, so I don't know why people are so hard for him.

Because he isn't a Clonetrooper.

The K-Mart exclusive he was part of didn't seem like it was worth the cash. Now those of us who didn't buy it are short bar sections.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-29-2007, 04:41 PM
Because he isn't a Clonetrooper.

The K-Mart exclusive he was part of didn't seem like it was worth the cash. Now those of us who didn't buy it are short bar sections.
Neither is Sio Bibble. :p

While I like the set, there are nine different straight bar sections (the individual Ponda Baba, Greedo, and Momaw Nadon from WM; the Dr. Evazan, Kitik Keed'kak, and "I just fell in s***" Wuher set from KMart; and the Zutton, Ponda Baba, and Obi-Wan set from KMart). Three on each side, plus the curved ones, and hopefully another for the center to come later, should be enough length-wise.

pbarnard
08-29-2007, 04:48 PM
Just one question, where there stools though in the movie? I thought everyone was just standing ordering a drink before retreating to an alcove.

Sinscia Fat'o
08-29-2007, 04:58 PM
I wish they would bring these sections back, or repackage them some how, i wasnt going to buy them then because the figure were lack luster, and they were honestly very hard to find in my area. I only seen the blue zutton once, and neither of the other two sets. Though i coulod care less about the figures, i would just like the bar sections.

Kidhuman
08-29-2007, 08:03 PM
Neither is Sio Bibble. :p

While I like the set, there are nine different straight bar sections (the individual Ponda Baba, Greedo, and Momaw Nadon from WM; the Dr. Evazan, Kitik Keed'kak, and "I just fell in s***" Wuher set from KMart; and the Zutton, Ponda Baba, and Obi-Wan set from KMart). Three on each side, plus the curved ones, and hopefully another for the center to come later, should be enough length-wise.

If you want to be technical, there are 12, a few of the single packs got out and people were paying well over 300 bucks for a few of them years back before the 3 pack was announced.

JediTricks
08-31-2007, 03:00 PM
So, Hasbro's written in to explain what's going on with the poll and show us which figs made the final round top 20, I posted it here in the news:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2_articleid=1045

As you can see, one of our top 10 (the Spacetrooper) got tossed, but our Bespin Guard black ethnicity made the cut and used our idea (and my phrase :D). The rest of our top 10 list was included except for Yaddle & Even Piell 2pack.

Beast
08-31-2007, 05:16 PM
I'm pretty happy with the Top 20. I just wish that Nute Gunray: Holographic would have done better. Nice to see that it doesn't feature nothing but Clonetroopers in the Top 20. So maybe we'll only see one or two get in the final series. Not sure all who I'll vote for though, other than Ephant Mon, Yularen, and the Gungan. Also, great news on the Spacetrooper already planned for a new version.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-31-2007, 05:44 PM
An alright list. I'll vote for:

2. Bespin Guard (black ethnicity) - the only "new" thing here. I suppose they'll use the head from the 2006 Rebel Trooper, which they're already using on the Battlefront guy. Dunno.
5. Clone Trooper Pilot w/ball turret (Saga '02 #49) - though I hope it doesn't pegwarm like the current clones. Still, I could use two more.
9. Covert Ops Clone Trooper (2005 exclusive) - never got this when it was out for $15. See above on pegwarming.
12. Gungan Warrior (Fambaa set exclusive) - never got the Fambaa set, and the Gungans could use more soldiers in my army.
16. Sio Bibble (Episode I) - YES!!! :D

Tycho
08-31-2007, 06:02 PM
I like the potential figure choices here. Almost all 20 would be smart re-releases. We only are going to get 5?

(I have all of these that aren't kit-bashes or from box sets I didn't want to previously buy, but I'd get multiples of some of them like the black Bespin Guard if I could - and you gotta Army Build Sio Bibble!)

jedi master sal
08-31-2007, 10:16 PM
Here's who I'm voting for (and in order of most preferred on down):
1. Shadow Stormtrooper (2006 exclusive)
2. Chewbacca (Early Bird kit)
3. Han Solo (Vintage OTC)
4. Utapau Shadow Trooper (2007 exclusive)
5. Covert Ops Clone Trooper (2005 exclusive)

I'd get a squad of each trooper (5 figs each), and I need 3 more pairings of Han and Chewie for dioramas. So all told if those 5 are voted in, that's 21 figures from me alone that will be bought.

Banthaholic
08-31-2007, 10:59 PM
I am all about the Bespin Guard. If I want any of the others, there is ebay. If I want a new era bespin guard, well I'll have to find some fellow fans to vote.

Bespin Guard in '08!

JediTricks
09-01-2007, 02:24 AM
I'll probably be voting for the Bespin Guard and Chewie, then letting the wind carry my fancy on the other 3 vote slots.

Tycho
09-01-2007, 04:28 AM
I'm voting for:

Black Bespin Guard
Colonel Wulf Yularen
Blue SnaggleToothe
Sio Bibble
Gungan Warrior from Faamba

I might need 4 AOTC Gunship Pilots, but I'll have to check my old lists.

Graxxol Kelvyyn might be useful, too - but I could live without most of these but the Gungans and Bespin Guards would be most useful to me.

The rest I don't really care about. But it's a good list that won't see too many pegwarmers, I'd think.

Sinscia Fat'o
09-01-2007, 02:55 PM
1.) Shadow Stormtrooper (2006 exclusive), i so want to army build this guy. I want my Crimson empire display!!!
2.) Zev Senesca (Snowspeeder Pilot), cool character and i missed his first go, characters like this need to be on cards anyway!
3.) Graxol Kelvyyn- i wish they would bring the twliek back as well, but hey i'll take what i can get from this box set, since i could never find it under 50 bucks.
4.) Bespin Guard (black ethnicity)-with durge and amanaman already coming out, and my bespin scene looking very sad with barely 20 figures in it...i think this guy would be a welcomed repack, that and it's vintage!
5.) Utapau Shadow Trooper- another cool clone i wasnt paying 20 bucks a pop for.

good to see durge, space trooper and Amanaman coming back out next year anyway, its great news actually.

Devo
09-01-2007, 06:22 PM
Meh. Chewie early bird and VOTC stormtrooper I think I originally voted for. Don't want or already have what I want of all the rest.

jedi master sal
09-01-2007, 10:59 PM
Meh. Chewie early bird and VOTC stormtrooper I think I originally voted for. Don't want or already have what I want of all the rest.

I here ya. While I will pick up some of these, if I never saw any of them again, I'd be cool with it. Legends isn't pegging TOO hard here, but it's still taking awhile to sell through. I hope after TAC, Hasbro goes back to just one line of figures. True there are more figures on the pegs which is seemingly more variety, but when that added "variety" is keeping the regular ones from being put on the pegs (regardless of what Hasbro says store employees don't regard these as two different lines).

JediTricks
09-07-2007, 04:20 PM
The voting is up now, and I'm a little annoyed that they cut a figure that made our list, and aren't including the black ethnicity repaint concept with the Bespin Guard. I posted it in the news:
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2_articleid=1062

El Chuxter
09-07-2007, 04:25 PM
They're jack***es. Why would we expect them to ever do anything that people might, oh, I don't know, WANT?

jedi master sal
09-07-2007, 04:36 PM
Donch'a just love how they are using Scums pics...

Are they that friggin' poor they can't get a photographer or someone on their staff to take they're own pictures of the toys??

Well I did vote. Come as no surprise I voted for 3 clones, the shadow stormtrooper and the Early Bird Chewie as I never got him.

Old Fossil
09-07-2007, 09:23 PM
Great. Bespin Security Officer Chang will be guarding the pegs again. I was afraid that would happen... folks just kind of assumed Hasbro would make the change to what would be essentially a new figure, even though that's not what the poll called for. Oh well.

Kidhuman
09-07-2007, 11:25 PM
Honestly, for no 2007 figures, the Treachery set has both figures up there, what a load of crap.

I found it hard to vote for 5 figures, Zev, Sio Bibble, Ephant, Graxxol and the Saga clone(ball turret) are who I voted for.

Devo
09-09-2007, 10:19 AM
Great. So we sort of shot ourselves in the foot then with the Bespin Guard. What a waste. Well, I didn't vote for it. But couldn't Hasbro have reasoned that since 'black ethnicity' was specified that people's wanting of that figure was dependant solely on it being a black repaint?? If they weren't willing to do that then they should have scratched it off the list of eligible candidates entirely and bumped up the next one like they did with VOTC Han. I'm pretty sure no one needed it again in its original form.

Not sure if I'll bother to vote. Theres only 2 on the list I'm arsed with personally.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-09-2007, 12:26 PM
That's complete crap about the Bespin Guard. I'm also mad about Han, but I wasn't going to vote for him anyway so it's not that big a deal.

I voted for:
*Clone Trooper Pilot w/ Ball Turret - I think most people could use a few more of these for the gunships.
*Commander Neyo - I like the set, but I'm not a huge fan of the clone's visor, so I'd rather use another one of these guys to replace him.
*Covert Ops Clone Trooper - I never got this one online and $15/$20 is too much anyway.
*Gungan Warrior - one of the few figures from the list I don't have yet, and it's a good non-clone army builder.
*Sio Bibble - the main one I want. No figure should be this damn hard to find.

Most are pretty alright choices for re-releases, but I just hope that both Commander Neyo and his buddy aren't re-released simultaneously. I wonder if some other people thought that the clone trooper was the one without the visor?

Sinscia Fat'o
09-09-2007, 02:44 PM
I figured the black bespin guard would get axed that way... Just to easy for them, and they should at least obviously see the demand is there for him.

though i did vote...
1. Shadow Trooper
2. Covert Trooper
3. Utapu Trooper
4. Graxol
5. Zev

Three troopers...i know, but they're ones im really interested in. Im really hoping for Zev and Graxol to make it since i never seen either of them and i really dont want another snow speeder... I do also have to say i have a soft spot for Sio...it was hard choices.

El Chuxter
09-09-2007, 04:33 PM
I did:

Zev: Really want him, but wasn't about to get another Snowspeeder.
Zutton: Want him, too, but didn't want yet another Evazan and Ponda (is that who it came with?)

And to help out the rest of youse:
Clone Pilot: I'm good on 'em, but since they don't include the turret with the umpteen re-releases of the Gunship, they owe it to everyone who bought one post-AOTC to give them the rest of their ships.
Ephant Mon: Everyone wants, few people got.
Graxxol Kelvyn: Same deal, and I want to see someone this frigging huge on a card. :crazed:

Battle Droid
09-09-2007, 06:15 PM
I voted for,

Coleman Trebor
Colonel Wulf Yalaren
Commander Neyo
Graxol Kelvyyn
Zev Senesca

Beast
09-09-2007, 06:20 PM
I voted for...

Ephant Mon
Colonel Wulf Yalaren
Gungan Warrior
Shadow Stormtrooper
Graxol Kelvyyn

Lord Malakite
09-10-2007, 03:15 AM
I went with:


Graxol Kelvyyn
Ephant Mon
Sio Bibble
Blue Zutton
Colonel Wulf Yalaren


Would of went Bespin Guard instead of Wulf for the last one if they gave us the one we wanted. I would of even settled for Lando's head on the POTJ Guard's body if I knew they'd be so lazy not to do such a minor face re-tooling. Bait and Switch! Bait and Switch! Bait and Switch! (Wets pants in protest.)

jjreason
09-10-2007, 07:55 PM
Finally got my votes cast: 3 for figures I don't have (the 2 Clones from the Saleucami set and the Gungan from the Fambaa pack) and two more that I really like: Zutton and Zev.