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Tycho
12-26-2007, 06:33 PM
Almost definitely slated to begin August 1, 2008 to be completed and delivered to Hasbro at Comic Con 2009, this thread poll is being designed now.

The best of the Expanded Universe's Top 50 that are selected in the poll now linked to by my signature (managed by Mad Slanted Powers) will be inserted into a scene-by-scene (or era-by-era) showdown.

I don't want to do a huge ranking list at this point if it is at all feasible to do it another way. That is what this thread is going to explore.

The reason is that in this way characters compete against their peers where possible, and we come up with a mix instead of just background randoms from the movie still outranking major characters from the EU just because of prejudices of one segment of collectors. However, if that is truly the result of a fair vote, we will still see that.

Here is what I am thinking:

ROUND 1: 27 contests (that's just the number the current list is working out to) - my example uses 4 groups to keep it simple.

1 Exar, Nomi, Ulic, Bastila (there will actually be about 7-13 choices in each subset)
2 Owen, Beru, Cliegg, Utai
3 Han Ceremony, Torryn Far, Luke Medical, Guri
4 Corran Horn, Nom Anor, Jacen, Jaina

winners? Exar, Cliegg, Guri, Nom Anor

ROUND 2: Rank Top 27 from the winners (now everyone lists)
Order selected?

Cliegg, Nom Anor, Exar, Guri

ROUND 3:

Cliegg is No. 1 - that's obvious.
Nom Anor will compete against Owen, Beru, Utai since only a 2nd set winner outranked it.

Let's say group 2 continues to win...

Cliegg
Utai

Nom Anor vs Owen, Beru

Nom Anor finally wins

Cliegg
Utai
Nom Anor

Now Exar competes since group 1’s winner was the next to rank under groups 2, and 4

Exar vs Corran, Jacen, Jaina. Exar wins:

Cliegg (group 2)
Utai (group 2)
Nom Anor (group 4)
Exar Kun (group 1)

Now Guri competes since group 3’s winner was the next to rank under groups 2, 4, and 1:

Guri vs. Nomi, Ulic, Bastila

We go on until Guri places:

Cliegg (group 2)
Utai (group 2)
Nom Anor (group 4)
Exar Kun (group 1)
Bastila (group 1)
Ulic (group 1)
Guri (group 3)


Now we have 7 out of the Top 50 ranked. We do another round of voting in the subsets of the remaining figures.

1) Nomi, (there will now be fewer choices in each subset, and each ranking vote will narrow the choices down more)
2) Owen, Beru,
3 Han Ceremony, Torryn Far, Luke Medical,
4 Corran Horn, Jacen, Jaina

We come up with the winners of each subset:

1) Nomi
2) Beru
3) Luke Medical
4) Corran Horn

We have a Top 27 ranked list from them (remember our example has only 4 choices)

We get:

Beru, Luke Medical, Corran Horn, Nomi

We add Beru to the bottom of our previously established 7:


Cliegg (group 2)
Utai (group 2)
Nom Anor (group 4)
Exar Kun (group 1)
Bastila (group 1)
Ulic (group 1)
Guri (group 3)
Beru (group 2)

Now Luke Medical faces Owen since only Group 2 outranked the group 3 winner. Luke gets it.


Cliegg (group 2)
Utai (group 2)
Nom Anor (group 4)
Exar Kun (group 1)
Bastila (group 1)
Ulic (group 1)
Guri (group 3)
Beru (group 2)
Luke Medical (group 3)


We now have the Top 9 out of the Top 50

And the exercise continues until we have a Top 50.

We will know very early on who the Most Wanted Figure is, so there will be no surprise there as the example above illustrates.

The real reason to hold one’s breath would be to see if your favorites all make the cut-off. Out of approximately 237 (not counting write-ins), only 50 will make the list (or should we go for a Top 100? – I think that could be done).

Do you guys understand the method? It should give every section leader a chance to dominate their category, but if the EU can’t outrank the movie figures by democratic vote, there will be the chance to see that, as well as OT preference over PT and so forth.

What are your thoughts?

Droid
12-26-2007, 08:12 PM
I vote no!

While these lists are entertaining and the first scene by scene thread was one of the most fun experiences I've had on this site, we have two very good lists between the first Top 50 and the ROTS list. I say we let Hasbro keep plugging away at those.

We should not add EU. Keep them separate and just give them a list of the figures people most want from the EU as generated in that thread. Comparing figures from the movies and EU is really apples and oranges.

Until they make one of the Solo kids and Luke's kid I wouldn't consider that they are really listening to fans yet on EU as those are pretty obvious choices they are overlooking.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-26-2007, 08:22 PM
I'm not entirely clear on how it works. Let me see if I got it right.

Round 1 = Vote for our favorites in each of 27 categories

Round 2 = Vote for our favorite from the 27 winners.

Round 3 = 2nd place in Round 2 competes against the remainder of the group that the winner of Round 2 came from. This is repeated until Round 2 #2 wins. Then Round 2 3rd place finisher competes against the remainder of the group Round 2 #2 was from until it wins. And so on.

Seems like an okay method. I guess this thread can work out any problems it might have before we actually start.

Tycho
12-26-2007, 08:50 PM
Yes. Mad Slanted Powers, you got it straight.

Droid, your vote is registered as "no."

I take it that MSP's is a "yes," and therefore we have

1-1 thus far (favor /oppose)

I'll break a tie if it ever gets to that point by the end of July 2008.

To address Droid's concern, as yes, I want our original 2 Top 50 lists (Kidhuman's and the original Scene-By-Scene poll) all made. We're at 42%, but Toy Fair 2008 (February) and Comic Con 2008 (July) may propel us over 50% and even (taking rumors into account) up to 68%.

I agree we should get 100% but appearances concern me when we get down to a petition for a Jocasta Nu figure, citing demand for her in 2004, without an update (if she's still not made). I also think Jaina Solo is more in demand than Jocasta Nu, but I've no doubt that Jocasta will make the new Top 100 list or whatever it turns out to be.

There will be 50 EU spots (that Mad Slanted Powers has been working on - that poll will probably be closed at the end of June 2008 so that there can be an exclusively EU Want List reported to Hasbro at July's Comic Con) and there are 29 "Top 50" 5-movie figures from the old Scene-By-Scene list that still aren't made. (I'm not sure of Kidhuman's present list's statistics). Finally, there are 7 remaining un-made from the ROTS "Top 20" list. So that means 86 figures would easily fit into a Top 100, with 14 more spaces for newbies to rank.

All our remaining 5-movie Top 50 and the ROTS options will no doubt make the new list. Finally, 36 of Kidhuman's polling results matched with the results of my method - perfectly cementing the case for the demand of the 5-movie figure poll winners. There are obviously room for 14 differences garnered with those results.

Beast
12-26-2007, 09:01 PM
Jocasta Nu is way cooler than some EU Solo brat. :p

Droid
12-27-2007, 10:12 AM
Jocasta Nu is way cooler than some EU Solo brat. :p

Preach on!

jedi master sal
12-27-2007, 12:50 PM
Sorry Tycho, you lost me...

I'd say keep the lists we've got or update them. Have an OT, PT and EU lit for Hasbro. Then let them decide which ones to make. Include the vote numbers. Maybe if they see more votes cast for EU figs, they'll choose to make them, same goes for PT or OT.

So my vote is a mix depending on how this is handled. (So don't count me as a vote in either direction yet.)

Tycho
12-27-2007, 01:59 PM
OK, this is a practice run for the method. There will be way more than 4 offerings and 26 not 4 categories in the final poll breakdown. This is just practice.

But maybe 3 of you guys should actually vote:

Choose your favorite from:

Ulic Qel Droma
Exar Kun
Bastila Shan
Darth Plagueis

I vote Ulic Qel Droma

Battle Droid
12-27-2007, 02:00 PM
Darth Plagueis

Kidhuman
12-27-2007, 02:11 PM
D. Plagueis

Droid
12-27-2007, 02:19 PM
Darth Plagueis (I would not buy this figure.)

El Chuxter
12-27-2007, 02:24 PM
Ulic vs Exar vs Plagueis this early? Ouch. That hurts.

If I had to pick only one, Exar. If nothing else, maybe we can get a Ghost of Exar figure out of it a year later, too.

Kidhuman
12-27-2007, 02:57 PM
This really is not a vote Chux, just a practice run.

El Chuxter
12-27-2007, 04:47 PM
Practice run or not, that's a tough choice. :p

Tycho
12-27-2007, 04:53 PM
OK. Pretend voting for this round was cut off after a reasonable time. Darth Plagueis won Poll 1. We'll come back to him and the others in his group. (This doesn't mean Exar's off our list - he's just not outranking Plagueis).

Poll 2: Choose Your Favorite From:

Six-Armed Servant Droid (outbound freighter in AOTC)
Padme Yellow Waterfalls Dress
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)
Utai

I vote Utai.

JediTricks
12-27-2007, 04:55 PM
Here's a problem I have with these mixed-interest polls, we have a sample poll right now with figures the majority of the readers here would probably not buy. Yet when a winner is chosen from that, it'll carry the same weight as an ANH scene's winner even though that figure carries 5 times as much votes as the EU scenario we're given here.


EDIT: And this second poll Tycho just added right before I posted shows the same issue, why should a scene with figures almost nobody actually wants carry the same weight as a scene with a dozen popular, hard-to-choose-between, heavily-voted-for figures?

Tycho
12-27-2007, 05:03 PM
Here's a problem I have with these mixed-interest polls, we have a sample poll right now with figures the majority of the readers here would probably not buy. Yet when a winner is chosen from that, it'll carry the same weight as an ANH scene's winner even though that figure carries 5 times as much votes as the EU scenario we're given here.


EDIT: And this second poll Tycho just added right before I posted shows the same issue, why should a scene with figures almost nobody actually wants carry the same weight as a scene with a dozen popular, hard-to-choose-between, heavily-voted-for figures?

Watch how this sample poll evolves. Give me the benefit of the doubt for 5 more mini-polls if you count this one. Remember, I am a genius. I've figured something out that perfectly addresses your concerns. Let's just vote, not debate for about another page (if your browser is set to display about 20 posts per page).

JediTricks
12-27-2007, 05:09 PM
I have serious doubts about your genius, real or imagined. If you have an answer, give it.

My settings are site-standard of 10 per page.


I have no interest in buying ANY of the options so far, so I vote naught for both. If that's the case, will you subtract 1 vote for every character in each poll, or weigh each winner's average against the total number of responders to each poll even if it's a zero? Probably not.

Sinscia Fat'o
12-27-2007, 05:17 PM
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)

And why would anyone mock the character that is Exar Kun! Darth Plaga-whatcha-ma-call-it....Sheesh!

jedi master sal
12-27-2007, 06:07 PM
Yeah sorry Tycho, I think I have to agree with JT here. Eu just shouldn't hold as much sway as OT or even PT. Movie characters should come first regardless.

That's why I suggest three lists to send to Hasbro. OT, PT and EU. Let them sort it out.

So I guess put me down for a no to this whole idea.

Tycho
12-27-2007, 06:13 PM
Keep voting:

Poll 2: Choose Your Favorite From:

Six-Armed Servant Droid (outbound freighter in AOTC)
Padme Yellow Waterfalls Dress
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)
Utai

I just need a tie-breaker here. Then we do the next sample poll, and 1 more, before JediMasterSal and JediTricks will be able to see the light on how this poll series will be conducted. BTW: there's too many figures possible from E2 still that Siri Tachi will actually go against any from E3 in the first poll she appears in. This is just an example.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-27-2007, 07:40 PM
It won't hold as much sway if more people prefer movie figures. Once you get a winner from each category, people will vote for the favorite of the winners. If most people don't care for EU, then the movie figures will get more votes in round two. However, with 26 to choose from in round 2, it might be hard to choose a favorite. Maybe if there was another step between round 1 and 2 to narrow the choices down a bit further.

As for the current test, I'll go with Padme.

Tycho
12-27-2007, 08:14 PM
Alright, since this is a practice round, let's just saythe Utai won Poll 2.

Thus we have Darth Plagueis, and Utai.

Poll 3: Vote for your favorite from:

Bom Vimdim
Ariel Schlos
Red Leader
Ackmena

I'll choose Bom Vimdim.

Droid
12-27-2007, 08:21 PM
I pretty much agree with what JediTricks said.

Also, I see where Tycho is going and still say the entire idea should be abandoned. We should either: stick with the lists we have, let everyone turn in their Top 50 list and have someone compile, do a movie by movie poll, or do an EU, PT, OT poll where they are separate.

Tycho, your method will likely take hundreds of polls. You will want to move quickly because you find the process exciting, so people will have to get online several times a day to vote and we'll end up with only a few people keeping up, which won't create a very big sample. Even with a week the main polls around here do not get a staggering number of votes. I don't think Hasbro would consider it market research given the low number of participants. Our best shot is to give them an idea they might not have otherwise thought of. You say that when everyone turns in a Top 50 list it is too much work to tally, but I think it would be LESS work for you than what you are planning.

It seems like a lot of effort to find out that people still want Yarna, the Tonnikas, other cantina aliens, other people from Jabba's Palace, and the Lars family. They know we want an Owen and Evazan resculpt and a good Death Star II Luke. I don't think Hasbro will be surprised by our list. They know who we want from the films. Your separate EU poll might be of some use to them.

I don't think we'd have characters like Han Torture Rack or Biggs Academy outfit without polls like this, but I think we have heavily mined this territory.

That said I vote for the Utai. I know that despite everthing said you're going to keep on with what you have planned, so you can count on me to vote in your silly little game, but I intend to complain at every step.

It actually was hilarious to read you and JediTricks argue about your methodology last time you did the Top 50 poll. You may remember he got so mad he threatened to close the thread.

EDIT: See, in less than two hours you closed poll number two while I was typing my response! You have a tendency to move these WAY too fast.

I'll vote for Bom Vimdim in Round 3.

El Chuxter
12-27-2007, 08:28 PM
I don't think I need to state my vote for Round 3. But, just in case:
DARTH MAUDE!!!!

Mad Slanted Powers
12-27-2007, 08:50 PM
I
Tycho, your method will likely take hundreds of polls. You will want to move quickly because you find the process exciting, so people will have to get online several times a day to vote and we'll end up with only a few people keeping up, which won't create a very big sample. Even with a week the main polls around here do not get a staggering number of votes. I don't think Hasbro would consider it market research given the low number of participants.That was sort of the problem I mentioned in a post in the other thread. With so many polls to be conducted, it might be hard to get enough votes through all the rounds.

You say that when everyone turns in a Top 50 list it is too much work to tally, but I think it would be LESS work for you than what you are planning.I don't mind the tallying. The only hard part of the tallying that I've had in the EU thread is figuring out which character people are actually voting for, or which version of a character. The hard part I think is for people to submit a ranked top 50 list, especially when you are pulling from so many different sources.

Perhaps some middle path would help. I think it would be easier to rank smaller groups of figures. Tycho said each of his subsets would have 7-13 figures. That would be a manageable number for people to rank. Then I think you could take the top scorers from each subset and then combine them with the winners of similar subsets. Tycho's example had several different TPM subsets. So you could take the top scorers from all the TPM subsets and put them in a super TPM set that people can rank. You could do that for each movie and the EU to get a list from each. The challenge will be to determine how many to take from each subset, and how many to take from each supergroup.

Edit- from that group, I guess I'll choose Bom.

pegger
12-27-2007, 08:56 PM
I pretty much agree with what JediTricks said.

Also, I see where Tycho is going and still say the entire idea should be abandoned. We should either: stick with the lists we have, let everyone turn in their Top 50 list and have someone compile, do a movie by movie poll, or do an EU, PT, OT poll where they are separate.


If we are voting on HOW the polls should work - I would say have 7 polls first - one for each movie - and EU. Then once there is a list for each movie, have one final poll, with those 7 lists.

It would be extensive, yes, but it would give the ultimate list. IMO.

Aside from that, I vote Bom.

Droid
12-27-2007, 09:31 PM
I have no interest in buying ANY of the options so far, so I vote naught for both. If that's the case, will you subtract 1 vote for every character in each poll, or weigh each winner's average against the total number of responders to each poll even if it's a zero? Probably not.

It would be funny if we voted on figures Hasbro should NOT make.

"Of the following five figures, which would you be the most angry about? Which figure, if produced, would make you less likely to buy ANY figure in the future, and make you more likely to regret having bought the figures you already have?"

Tycho
12-27-2007, 09:57 PM
I have to tally the overall votes on whether we should have this poll or not (August 1, 2008). Right now, my suspicion is it will NOT happen. Many are against it.

However, no one with the exception of maybe Mad Slanted Powers understands my method, so I'm going to finish my example.

We have Bom Vimdim as the Poll 3 winner.

You'll now see this method won't take as many polls as some of you think it will.

The winners were:

Darth Plagueis,
Utai,
Bom Vimdim.

Please RANK these 3 characters in order of who you want made the most to least.


I vote:

1) Bom Vimdim
2) Utai
3) Darth Plagueis

pegger
12-27-2007, 10:05 PM
From those 3 - easy. Bom.

Tycho
12-27-2007, 10:13 PM
From those 3 - easy. Bom.


No. I need you to rank all 3, those being your only options. So you have a list of 3:

1) Bom Vimdim
2) ?
3) ?

pegger
12-27-2007, 10:24 PM
No. I need you to rank all 3, those being your only options. So you have a list of 3:

1) Bom Vimdim
2) ?
3) ?

FINE
1) Bom
2) Utai
3) Darth Plagueis

Tycho
12-27-2007, 10:31 PM
FINE
1) Bom
2) Utai
3) Darth Plagueis

LOL - your enthusiasm is noted. But thank you for helping.

OK, we'll cut off the list voting here, to continue the illustration.

Bom Vimdim is our No1 most-wanted. There is no way any other figure from any other category can outrank him.

So we have:

1) Bom Vimdim.

Now we determine No. 2. Since the Utai didn't compete against Bom's fellow category members:

Vote for your favorite from:

Utai
Ariel Schlos
Red Leader
Ackmena

Since these figures provided Bom, the highest rank.

I'll vote for the Utai

Mad Slanted Powers
12-27-2007, 10:40 PM
Who is Ariel Schlos? I don't find it in Wookieepedia.

Utai

Tycho
12-27-2007, 11:18 PM
Who is Ariel Schlos? I don't find it in Wookieepedia.

Utai

Ariel Schlos (possibly mis-spelled) is the Wraith / Defel from the cantina. Anyway, I'll count your vote for the Utai, as it doesn't really matter since this is a sample poll.

So we have

1) Bom Vimdim
2) Utai

Now we see if another from the Utai's group can take No. 3, or if an EU figure from Darth Plagueis' group can snag it.***

Choose your favorite from:

Darth Plagueis
Six-Armed Servant Droid (outbound freighter in AOTC)
Padme Yellow Waterfalls Dress
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)

*** If a figure from Bom Vimdim's OT group was worthy it would have overcome the Utai in the first place and ranks would have looked like:

1) OT
2) OT...until the Utai overcame a choice here.

This way, every character competes against every other character.

This process should not take as many polls as many here think it will. With 26 initial polls in the actual process, That means when the winners are ranked, #1-26 may have already been chosen.

Let's say that OT Cantina Aliens are the ultimate favored figures. There are essentially 6 or so that are definitely still in the poll, though write-ins might expand that if they get votes. (I'm not going to actively promote the really obscure, but if someone does and it catches on, I won't stand in the way of it either).

But with 26 characters ranked, and 5 more cantina aliens coming on board and out in front, we have #1-31 ranked now in 32 polls. So while there might be 100 polls to get 100 figures, there won't be much more, and there could be less (I think).

JT, JMS, and Droid: do you understand what I'm doing a little better now?

BTW: it still seems like this won't happen. I have 5 "no's" and 3 "yes's" to the question of whether we should do this again (after Toy Fair and Comic Con).

Mad Slanted Powers
12-28-2007, 12:12 AM
Ariel Schlos (possibly mis-spelled) is the Wraith / Defel from the cantina. Anyway, I'll count your vote for the Utai, as it doesn't really matter since this is a sample poll.Found it. It is Arleil Schous.


BTW: it still seems like this won't happen. I have 5 "no's" and 3 "yes's" to the question of whether we should do this again (after Toy Fair and Comic Con).I think we should do something. I think people are just a bit confused as to how it works. I do share some of their concern that it might have trouble keeping enough people interested throughout the whole process to make the results meaningful.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
12-28-2007, 01:51 AM
I haven't participated in many of these kinds of threads, but I will do this one, I guess, when I can. It's already going WAY too fast, though.

Oh, and Tycho, yeah, it might be a good idea to check the spellings/names on Wookieepedia or somewhere similar so everyone knows what we're voting on.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-28-2007, 02:03 AM
I haven't participated in many of these kinds of threads, but I will do this one, I guess, when I can. It's already going WAY too fast, though.It's going fast now just because it was a test to show how the process works. It won't be that fast when done for real. Tycho said he didn't even plan on starting the poll until August. That gives us plenty of time to decide how best to conduct it, as well as more time to cross off items from the old list and others that Hasbro might announce by then.

Tycho
12-28-2007, 06:55 AM
Alright. SAMPLE POLLING PROCESS...

Vote for favorite:

Poll 1 (3 days)

Exar Kun
Ulic Qel Droma
Nomi Sunrider
Bastila Shan

Poll 2 (3 days)

Six-Armed Waiter Droid
Padme Yellow Dress
Naboo Clergy Man
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)

Poll 3 (3 days)

white multi-armed droid
Bom Vimdim
Red Leader
Ackmena (Holiday Special)

Poll 4 (3 days)

Black Bespin Guard
Luke Medical Frigate
Guri (Shadows of the Empire)
Koth Melan (Shadows of the Empire)

Poll 5 (3 days)

Woof
Slim Aloo
Yuuzhan Vong (New Jedi Order)
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order)

The winners of each sub-poll are in bold

Now we RANK the winners (the first choice that wins has to be the most-wanted of all of them. You can see that, right?) - There will actually be 26 names to rank in the real poll.

1) Bom Vimdim
2) Luke Medical Frigate
3) Woof
4) Padme Yellow Dress
5) Exar Kun

There's no reason why Bom Vimdim should be challenged. He's No. 1.

We go to No. 2 and run-off the possibilities against Vimdim's colleagues:

Luke Medical Frigate
white multi-armed droid
Red Leader
Ackmena (Holiday Special)

The droid wins and gets the No. 2 spot.

Final List Thus Far:

1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)

Now we go to No. 3 and run-off the possibilities against Vimdim's remaining colleagues:

Luke Medical Frigate
Red Leader
Ackmena

Luke wins and gets the No. 3 spot.

Final List Now:

1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)
3) Luke Medical Frigate (group 4)

Now since Luke has placed, we look at his colleagues versus the next group's down's winner.

Vote for

Woof
Black Bespin Guard
Guri (Shadows of the Empire)
Koth Melan (Shadows of the Empire)

Woof wins

Final List Thus Far:


1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)
3) Luke Medical Frigate (group 4)
4) Woof (group 5)

Now Woof's colleagues compete with the next on the list:

Padme Yellow Dress
Slim Aloo
Yuuzhan Vong (New Jedi Order)
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order)

Final List Thus Far:


1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)
3) Luke Medical Frigate (group 4)
4) Woof (group 5)
5) Slim Aloo (group 5)

And Woof's colleagues continue to compete until Padme places:

Padme Yellow Dress
Yuuzhan Vong (New Jedi Order)
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order)

Final List Thus Far:


1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)
3) Luke Medical Frigate (group 4)
4) Woof (group 5)
5) Slim Aloo (group 5)
6) Padme Yellow Dress (group 2)

Now Padme's colleagues compete:

Exar Kun
Six-Armed Waiter Droid
Naboo Clergy Man
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)

Exar finally places.

Final List Thus Far:


1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)
3) Luke Medical Frigate (group 4)
4) Woof (group 5)
5) Slim Aloo (group 5)
6) Padme Yellow Dress (group 2)
7) Exar Kun (group 1)

Now we start over:


Vote for favorite:

Poll 1 (3 days)

Ulic Qel Droma
Nomi Sunrider
Bastila Shan

Poll 2 (3 days)

Six-Armed Waiter Droid
Naboo Clergy Man
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)

Poll 3 (3 days)

Red Leader
Ackmena (Holiday Special)

Poll 4 (3 days)

Black Bespin Guard
Guri (Shadows of the Empire)
Koth Melan (Shadows of the Empire)

Poll 5 (3 days)

Yuuzhan Vong (New Jedi Order)
Jaina Solo (New Jedi Order)

The winners of each sub-poll are in bold

Now we RANK the winners (the first choice that wins has to be the most-wanted of all of them. You can see that, right?) - There will actually be 26 (or less due to attrition - for example if the cantina aliens dominated and all made the final list by this point) in the names to rank in the real poll.

1) Black Bespin Guard
2) Ulic Qel Droma
3) Jaina Solo
4) Six-Armed Waiter Droid
5) Red Leader

The placement rounds from the sub-poll categories start over again.

Black Bespin Guard doesn't need to be challenged further though.

Final List Thus Far:


1) Bom Viimdim (group 3)
2) Multi-armed droid (group 3)
3) Luke Medical Frigate (group 4)
4) Woof (group 5)
5) Slim Aloo (group 5)
6) Padme Yellow Dress (group 2)
7) Exar Kun (group 1)
8) Black Bespin Guard (group 4)

Vote for your favorite (3 days)

Ulic Qel Droma
Guri (Shadows of the Empire)
Koth Melan (Shadows of the Empire)

And it goes on, either placing Guri or Ulic first, until Ulic's remaining colleagues compete against Jaina Solo's.


This is only a hypothetical example, but I have matched it with the majority's prediction that the OT will dominate and the PT will beat out the EU. However, it's still possible for the EU to rank (Exar for sure) wherever he will fall.

Once (in the example 5) all 26 sub-poll winners have had a chance to place, there will be another round of sub-polls and a ranking list and we repeat the process. It will not require that every figure offered placed. I'm only going to take it as far as a Top 100.

It may be that almost NO EU figures and very few PT characters rank. That is completely open to the polling results. We may have at least 12 PT figures and 4 EU - likely more. However, they will be the cream of the crop using this method - and the EU figures come right off our Top 50 EU poll.

I can now see that it may take 200 polls to get 100 ranked figures. Maybe we should stop at a Top 50? That'd be 100 polls (about). 1 every 3 days would take 300 days. Starting on August 1, 2008, that'd be finished in time for Comic Con 2009.

Kidhuman
12-28-2007, 07:06 AM
I wouldnt do this type of poll, its too confusing and long. Sorry Tycho

Tycho
12-28-2007, 07:09 AM
I haven't participated in many of these kinds of threads, but I will do this one, I guess, when I can. It's already going WAY too fast, though.

Oh, and Tycho, yeah, it might be a good idea to check the spellings/names on Wookieepedia or somewhere similar so everyone knows what we're voting on.


JabbaJohn, this isn't a real poll. It's just an example of how I'd conduct one starting in August. The last massive one of its type. It will probably run 100 polls, maybe 1 every 3rd day like JediTricks has been doing with his Best of TAC polls.

Those not logging on for half a week or so won't lose their votes except if they don't vote in the specific "ordering preference lists votes," for which will also run 3 days, but that I'll give ample warning of - possibly in my signature line.

I'll count your vote in favor of the effort for next August, giving us 5 "No's" and 4 "Yes's".

This is what I interpretted: 4-4 thus far

Tycho - yes
Droid - no
Mad Slanted Powers - yes
Jedi Master Sal - no
Battle Droid ? -seems to want to participate though
El Chuxter ? - seems to want to participate though
JediTricks - no
Sincia Fat'o ? - seems to want to participate though
Pegger - yes (with reservations on the process I can hopefully alleviate)
JabbaJohnL - yes
Kidhuman - no

See "the whole process illustration" on the previous page before you vote.

here's the link to a whole sample poll in one post (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=588519&postcount=39)

sebillba
12-28-2007, 07:27 AM
This sounds really complicated, and a lot of work (for Tycho), but as long as you're happy to keep the polls coming and compile the results, I'm happy to take part in the voting process. I don't always check the forums though, so could we have a reminder on the main site when the polls begin?

Tycho
12-28-2007, 07:38 AM
I don't always check the forums though, so could we have a reminder on the main site when the polls begin?

That'll be up to SirSteve. I'm sure JediTricks will have a say, too.

Intuitively, I'd say Steve doesn't care one way or the other.

With JediTricks, there are 2 stages to winning his approval:

1) That he understands the process I'm proposing. I don't see that yet.

2) That he makes a decision as to whether to support it, after he's demonstrated he understands the process (which I will ahere to during the actual polling, so there will be no difficulties this time). I have also asked Kidhuman to review the process and am waiting on his evaluation.


Since it won't be breaking any forum rules to go ahead and do this anyway, the final say will depend on all of you and whether you vote in favor of it (as I assume those favoring it will participate - and we need participation. The last time about 20-25 people may have participated. But that still gave us a good sample of sentiment out there).

But it will be up to JediTricks as to whether this effort gets advertising on the main site news. Personally, I don't think it needs it. Last time we did it without - just for our regular forums particpants.

The last time we may have helped get out figures like:

Hem Dazon
General Veers
Herme Odle
Lando Smuggler
CZ-4
Moff Jerjerrod
R5-D4
General Tagge
Han Bespin Torture
Colonel Wulf Yularen
M'iiyoom Onith
Jango Fett Out-of-Armor
Luke Endor
Elis Helrot
Anakin Skywalker Jedi Robes
Clone in Training Gear
Major Derlin
Chief Chirpa
Rep Teers
Biggs Darklighter in Academy Uniform
Padme Black Leather Temptation

- those came straight off our list.

If I recall, JediTricks said he wouldn't buy most of them and preferred "new improved versions of the main characters." I don't know which of these he actually bought, but there is strong prejudice against obscure characters than diorama builders or diversity enthusiasts want to add to their collections.

That is also why the EU is included this time, because we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel: Wiorkettle, Treva Horme, Utriss M'Toc - none were seen in the movie - they were all cut from one of the OT films. But they're cooler to me than another Darth Vader, though I know Vader is needed to sell the line to newbies.

Droid
12-28-2007, 10:11 AM
I like how you say that JediTricks and the rest of us don't understand the process. Though I did misunderstand your first explanation, I get it now and I still say HUNDRED(s) of polls is too many, even with full understanding of the process. Then you further marginalize JediTricks' opinion as not being in favor of this because he doesn't like the characters that would be produced anyway.

Am I safe in assuming that we can avoid the "saving" fiasco that existed last time where someone could get ten votes and be at the bottom of the pile but a character that got one vote would get thrown to the top of the list until it got shuffled to the bottom again? I can't tell you how many times in our last poll I voted to keep a character safe that had great support in previous rounds rather than voting for the character I most wanted. It ended up being a game to protect your favorite figure rather than voting for the one you most wanted.

I also like how you intend to keep the obscure characters out unless they have great support. How in the world do you decide at this point which cantina alien is more obscure? And why do you decide which character is more mainstream than another? I think that if you are doing polls that pit characters against one another rather than just having people turn in ranked lists that you should have a time period where people can nominate who will be on the first list to be voted on, rather than having people writein someone when others have already voted and that character would have to get grass roots support. Create an initial nominating list people can add to and then ban write ins when the actual voting starts.

In fact, maybe that is the best method if you want to do multiple polls rather than having people turn in lists or keeping EU, OT, PT, or separate movies separate. Let us all submit lists of who is on the list. Make people check spelling and put a brief description next to the character. Then have everyone vote for their favorite character. That character with the most votes gets the number one slot. Then do it 50 times. It is still a lot of polls, but I think everyone would get it.

1. Nominate characters.
2. Vote for #1.
3. Vote for #2.
4. Vote for #3.

ANd on and on and on and on.

Cane_Adiss
12-28-2007, 10:51 AM
Personally I think this polling thing is too complicated and too long, and many of the character choices I'm not too thrilled with (Multi armed servant droid? wtf?). Plus I agree the EU should be kept in a separate poll. I believe Hasbro has a pretty good idea (thanks mainly to the bi-weekly q&a sessions) of what fans want most anyway. Most of the characters mentioned in this thread thus far will probably be done eventually anyway. Basically Hasbro CONFIRMED that all the cantina aliens will be done, so they shouln't even need to be in a poll like this. We just need to be patient. I don't believe the Star Wars brand is in danger of dying anytime soon! Oh, and check ur spelling (Bom Vimdin, Wooof, Arliel Schous, Hermi Odle, Sim Aloo ;)).

Sinscia Fat'o
12-28-2007, 11:52 AM
Yeah, i'm in for it. Should be interesting in my opinion. I do understand your process as well, and i do see why some people are against it, but it should be fun none the less.

jedi master sal
12-28-2007, 12:41 PM
I wouldnt do this type of poll, its too confusing and long. Sorry Tycho


Yeah what KH said. It's still too damn confusing to me. Polls need to be SIMPLE choices. Not a round robin double or triple elimination tourney as what yours seems to be.

Make it simple Tycho.

3 different lists-have people give their top 25. From those we'll come up with a new top 50 list. Lists of course being OT, PT, EU. For the OT and PT lists, give the scene in which you are referring for the character, for EU give the source ie., comic book, novel, etc.

Now since we can only post 25 characters each final list may not reach 50 characters total. I think we'd also have to cut off any vote getters that only get a small amount of votes. What that number is we can determine before hand, but certainly less than 5 I'd say toss them out, even if it means we have less than 50 for a list. We want most wanted afterall and only 5 votes does not make a most wanted list.

No voting. We only get ONE opportunity to post, if we need to update our list because we thought of someone else to add we update our original list in said thread. Pick a cut off date, then tally the votes from there.

That's MUCH simpler and something we've done in the past.

Tycho
12-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Droid made really good comments. Hopefully I can address a few:


I still say HUNDRED(s) of polls is too many, even with full understanding of the process.

That's a key point you're making. I heard it.


Then you further marginalize JediTricks' opinion as not being in favor of this because he doesn't like the characters that would be produced anyway.

That's true. Not everyone has the same tastes. I completely disagree with JT on this issue but then we buy SW for totally different reasons.

I am a diorama builder. JT seems to like just whatever figure fits his fancy.

I want Torynn Far made regardless if she has only 5 points of articulation. I'd bet JT doesn't care. But he's not in the hobby to "staff" Echo Base.

Our respective tastes would be reflected by the way we vote however.


Am I safe in assuming that we can avoid the "saving" fiasco that existed last time where someone could get ten votes and be at the bottom of the pile but a character that got one vote would get thrown to the top of the list until it got shuffled to the bottom again?

Yes. I learned from experience and hopefully by using this new method I avoid ever repeating that situation.


I can't tell you how many times in our last poll I voted to keep a character safe that had great support in previous rounds rather than voting for the character I most wanted. It ended up being a game to protect your favorite figure rather than voting for the one you most wanted.

I remember. That was not at all what I'd envisioned when I started that polling process. Miraculously, it worked though, since Kidhuman and I came out with 36/50 of the same results and that impressed Hasbro.


I also like how you intend to keep the obscure characters out unless they have great support. How in the world do you decide at this point which cantina alien is more obscure?

You make a good point. To answer your question, I was going to begin with the characters we voted for on the last list that have not yet been made by Hasbro. However, you make a very practical suggestion in a minute here...


I think that if you are doing polls that pit characters against one another rather than just having people turn in ranked lists that you should have a time period where people can nominate who will be on the first list to be voted on, rather than having people writein someone when others have already voted and that character would have to get grass roots support.

Great idea! We're doing that with the EU poll in my sig line that Mad Slanted Powers is scoring. We could use the same method to gather a list of OT and PT characters before they are put into the gauntlet. I see myself using this method. I may have to push the entire poll back to August 2009 so there is time for the list-polls you suggest.

The idea of the scene-by-scene concept was that every section of every movie was looked at, and a person with a taste for Imperial Officers didn't just come in and list 50 of them. But Bast would have to compete with ANH and Needa with ESB and so forth. Is Needa really more interesting than Luke Medical Frigate with interchangeable arms? Well, the vote will answer that.

It will still seem to have to be arbitrarily decided as to how far down the ordered lists to go to put characters into the competition:

Needa
Needa's first officer
Needa's radar officer

If these choices were grouped with Battle of Hoth characters in an ESB poll, and I didn't want it to be overwhelming, I'd have to say that after 10-13 in any subcategory, I was cutting it off. Torynn Far, Hoth Deck Officer, Dak, Luke Snowspeeder resculpt, etc. might all be in this scene-by-scene group (of say "everything ESB before Dagobah / Cloud City") so that we don't have too many polls. I'd say Needa's Radar Officer would be too obscure, but your idea of people turning in their preference lists would validate or invalidate that.



Create an initial nominating list people can add to and then ban write ins when the actual voting starts.

Maybe. R5-D4 won by a write-in last time. My theme was "figures never made before" and R5 was, no matter how craptacular the 1997 figure was. But the grass-roots effort got him a spot and in 2006 we got a new figure.


Let us all submit lists of who is on the list. Make people check spelling and put a brief description next to the character. Then have everyone vote for their favorite character. That character with the most votes gets the number one slot. Then do it 50 times. It is still a lot of polls, but I think everyone would get it.

That's possible. I think it's more Kidhuman's style. The scene-by-scene way I prefer tends to be more comprehensive in its coverage in my opinion. Also remember, Kidhuman ran his poll after I'd done at least one time through all the 5 movies with mine (ROTS wasn't out yet). And everyone voting in my polls had a fresh memory of obscure scenes like when Padme met with Queen Jamilla (Jamilla made our list).

Beast
12-28-2007, 01:26 PM
6 Movie Focused Polls and 1 EU Poll is what should happen.

Or like JMS suggested, 3 polls. 1 PT, 1 OT, and 1 EU.

What you're proposing is way too complicated Tycho. Sorry.

Tycho
12-28-2007, 03:24 PM
Mad Slanted Powers, looking at what Beast is suggesting, if you were scoring the votes, do you think that 6 movie polls are appropriate, or that just a PT and OT poll is necessary?

I'd say the latter if I were going with Beast's suggestion. Empire Strikes Back is so well-mined for characters that I don't think I could come up with 50, let alone 25. Let's see:

1) Torynn Far
2) Luke Medical Frigate
3) Treva Horme
4) black Bespin Guard
5) Hoth Rebel crewman (vintage re-do)
6) Leia Medical Frigate
7) Wiorkettle
8) Utriss M'Toc
9) New Ugnaught with conveyor belt and C-3PO parts
10) mustached Bespin Guard
11) Captain Needa
12) Captain Lennox
13) R4 droid (white with black head - Echo Base)

This is sort of stretching it (maybe). Remember, these are figures-never-made-before and some of you may write-in a super-articulated Piett or Luke Snowspeeder Pilot, but those are not what I'd buy - they've already been offered and I question Hasbro's honesty about their resculpts:

1) Darth Vader
2) Darth Vader with Removeable Helmet
3) Darth Vader with 2 piece Removeable Helmet
4) Darth Vader with alternate hands
5) Darth Vader with Removeable Helmet AND alternate hands

...well you get the idea. I want to create dioramas and be done with a character once I buy them. I have no need for a Super-Articulated General Rieeken. I mean why?

I understand the main characters need to be kept in the line (hence Vader), but I question whether Hasbro already has the "ultimate Vader" in their secret archives, and is doling him out with a new improvement every year instead of re-carding an ultimate version.

But while we're all SW collectors, our tastes can be very different. JediMasterSal is probably the forum member here who collects closest to my own style, but I actually don't even know his feelings on resculpts (please feel free to state, Sal).

But I do wonder what to do if we did 6 movie polls "dubbed the Top 50 - or even Top 25" and Empire Strikes Back only gets like 13 figures voted for - with no garauntee that my tastes will even be represented in the final outcome. Wiorkettle fans anyone?

So we could say that if at least 15 people are voting (we didn't really top 25 before I think), that a character must get at least 8 votes to make the movie list. ESB might wind up with only 10 figures asked for, next to ANH with possibly anything between 25 and 100.

Will we be sending a message to Hasbro that we don't care about ESB? Probably not. But I still don't like the idea of a very short list. I realize that my own "complicated" method I want to do the polling in might yeild the same results for Empire however.

pegger
12-28-2007, 04:31 PM
Although you didn't ask me...

I would say one poll for each movie, exactly for the reasons you've stated. I know at home (I'm visiting my parents right this week) I've got a list (which is probably incomplete) of every possible figure they could make from the various movies (including background characters, costume changes, etc...)

For example, I know in ESB, there are actually 2 different Ghost Obi Wan's - the version we have, and a hooded version, arms folded, from Hoth. I do want both.

Which is why I go back to my - make a top "whatever number" list for each movie (and EU) - so 7 lists...and then do a top 50 list from those 7. Leave it open to resculpts.

ps - don't forget ROTS is also well mined. I would hate to have a top 50 list of only TPM....

Mad Slanted Powers
12-28-2007, 07:49 PM
I propose something in between Tycho's method and what others are suggesting. With the EU poll, it was hard to come up with 50 and then rank them. For someone like me that likes the EU, there were so many sources to choose from and so many that I wanted that I couldn't fit them all on the list. Deciding what way to order them added to the difficulty. Thus, I think it would be easier to rank a smaller list. For those that didn't like the EU, that meant smaller lists or not voting at all.

Tycho's method had a seemingly endless number of polls, many of which were the same poll with one different figure each time. Having one poll per movie makes it hard to make a ranked list. So my suggesting is to break up the movies and EU into sections like Tycho's was starting with. Tycho can post the initial groups and people can nominate any figures that have been left off. Hopefully each group will not be too large, not more than 20. Once the groups are set, people can submit their ranked top 10 for each group. Then I can score those similar to the way I'm scoring the EU poll.

From there we should be able to eliminate a lot of figures that didn't score well and create a smaller list for each movie. Then we can have people rank those to create a list from each movie. The question then becomes how to combine those lists. I don't know if we necessarily have to. Hasbro creates themed waves all the time now. With a list from each movie, that can make things easier when they are trying to fill out a wave.

This is just my preference. We have plenty of time to discuss and refine it. I just think that ranking smaller groups is easier, and choosing several of your favorite figures is easier than trying to pick one from many that you like.

El Chuxter
12-28-2007, 07:53 PM
That sounds like a good idea. Separate polls for OT, PT, KOTOR-era EU, Prequel-era EU, OT-era EU, New Republic EU, NJO EU, and Legacy (ick) EU. With the EU lists all ultimately being 10-15 characters each, and the film lists being 25-50.

It wouldn't hurt to add a TV EU category, as well, for (the original) Clone Wars, the 80s cartoons, the Ewok movies, and even the Holiday Special.

Then, for everyone who's interested, a big ol' list encompassing the top 50 overall.

Droid
12-28-2007, 08:05 PM
I propose one EU list (including TV movies and the like) as I think that even most of the die hard fans here do not know who most of those characters are.

Though I still think EU and films should be kept separate always.

pegger
12-28-2007, 08:08 PM
Although I'm not a huge EU fan (I've never read any comics - aside from the comic packs), I do like KOTOR, and Clone Wars - and have a list for both that I would like to see figs from. I like MSP and El Chuxter's suggestions.

JediTricks
12-29-2007, 03:45 AM
I don't think I need to state my vote for Round 3. But, just in case:
DARTH MAUDE!!!!Now that's a vote I can agree with! :thumbsup: Long live Darth Maude!

Check it out, Darth Maude made it out of my idea and onto the web! http://www.google.com/search?q=darth+maude&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
I've invented a micro-meme! :D



It would be funny if we voted on figures Hasbro should NOT make.

"Of the following five figures, which would you be the most angry about? Which figure, if produced, would make you less likely to buy ANY figure in the future, and make you more likely to regret having bought the figures you already have?"You, sir, are a genius! There's a poll I'd enjoy. :D



It won't hold as much sway if more people prefer movie figures. Once you get a winner from each category, people will vote for the favorite of the winners. If most people don't care for EU, then the movie figures will get more votes in round two. However, with 26 to choose from in round 2, it might be hard to choose a favorite. Maybe if there was another step between round 1 and 2 to narrow the choices down a bit further.

As for the current test, I'll go with Padme.But even letting a low-voted figure into the finals from the semi-finals is unfair to the losers of the movie polls that get 5 times as many votes as the winners of the low-interest EU polls. Maybe quarter-finals thrown into the mix might help, but we're not talking about a bracket system - which is good, I don't think with this many finalists a bracket system could work.

And of course, doing it scene-by-scene also risks putting crap like Senator Jar Jar on an equal playing field with Death Star II Luke, which is utterly ridiculous.



I have to tally the overall votes on whether we should have this poll or not (August 1, 2008). Right now, my suspicion is it will NOT happen. Many are against it.

However, no one with the exception of maybe Mad Slanted Powers understands my method, so I'm going to finish my example.

We have Bom Vimdim as the Poll 3 winner.

You'll now see this method won't take as many polls as some of you think it will.

The winners were:

Darth Plagueis,
Utai,
Bom Vimdim.

Please RANK these 3 characters in order of who you want made the most to least.


I vote:

1) Bom Vimdim
2) Utai
3) Darth PlagueisAgain, I have to ask, what about those who would vote naught for some of the entries? I remember having a big problem with this ordered-list method last time we did it because my votes came up short as I had no interesting in some figures, making the entries on my list stop early. That means you have to either have a fluid system of values depending on how many votes they get (each one a percentage higher than the others out of the 100% total vote) or you have to rank some figures with a zero ranking and take that zero ranking into account when you average the values.



Ariel Schlos (possibly mis-spelled) is the Wraith / Defel from the cantina. Anyway, I'll count your vote for the Utai, as it doesn't really matter since this is a sample poll.

So we have

1) Bom Vimdim
2) Utai

Now we see if another from the Utai's group can take No. 3, or if an EU figure from Darth Plagueis' group can snag it.***

Choose your favorite from:

Darth Plagueis
Six-Armed Servant Droid (outbound freighter in AOTC)
Padme Yellow Waterfalls Dress
Siri Tachi (Jedi Quest)

*** If a figure from Bom Vimdim's OT group was worthy it would have overcome the Utai in the first place and ranks would have looked like:

1) OT
2) OT...until the Utai overcame a choice here.

This way, every character competes against every other character.

This process should not take as many polls as many here think it will. With 26 initial polls in the actual process, That means when the winners are ranked, #1-26 may have already been chosen.

Let's say that OT Cantina Aliens are the ultimate favored figures. There are essentially 6 or so that are definitely still in the poll, though write-ins might expand that if they get votes. (I'm not going to actively promote the really obscure, but if someone does and it catches on, I won't stand in the way of it either).

But with 26 characters ranked, and 5 more cantina aliens coming on board and out in front, we have #1-31 ranked now in 32 polls. So while there might be 100 polls to get 100 figures, there won't be much more, and there could be less (I think).

JT, JMS, and Droid: do you understand what I'm doing a little better now?

BTW: it still seems like this won't happen. I have 5 "no's" and 3 "yes's" to the question of whether we should do this again (after Toy Fair and Comic Con).I never didn't understand, this is the same thing I've been saying all along, you're trying to determine and then modify a list based on each voter's preference within that value, but anybody who doesn't give a crap about half the figures is going to still have to lend weight to figures they don't really want to ensure figures they find absolutely abhorrent get further devalued.

In order to get an accurate listing that properly devalues unpopular figures while rewarding popular ones, you'd need to pair this entire giant list down dozens of times for JUST the top guys, virtually nobody is going to stick with that which will slant the results yet again.


And I don't really like the scene-by-scene thing in generally because a scene with 5 great candidates for figures gets shafted by having just 1 winner going up against a scene with merely 1 worthy candidate.



The last time we may have helped get out figures like:

Hem Dazon
General Veers
Herme Odle
Lando Smuggler
CZ-4
Moff Jerjerrod
R5-D4
General Tagge
Han Bespin Torture
Colonel Wulf Yularen
M'iiyoom Onith
Jango Fett Out-of-Armor
Luke Endor
Elis Helrot
Anakin Skywalker Jedi Robes
Clone in Training Gear
Major Derlin
Chief Chirpa
Rep Teers
Biggs Darklighter in Academy Uniform
Padme Black Leather Temptation

- those came straight off our list.

If I recall, JediTricks said he wouldn't buy most of them and preferred "new improved versions of the main characters." I don't know which of these he actually bought, but there is strong prejudice against obscure characters than diorama builders or diversity enthusiasts want to add to their collections. Padme Black Leather, Rep Teers, Major Derlin, Elis Helrot, M'yiioom Onith, Chief Chirpa, Han Torture, Moff Jerjerrod, Lando Smuggler, and General Veers were all kinda lame figures in one way or another, either they sucked or they pegwarmed due to low interest.

Of the list you just gave, I own all but Rep Teers, Padme, Tagge, Wulf Yalaren, and Lando Smuggler. But I bought a lot out of "I need my fix" rather than true interest.



I like how you say that JediTricks and the rest of us don't understand the process. Though I did misunderstand your first explanation, I get it now and I still say HUNDRED(s) of polls is too many, even with full understanding of the process. Then you further marginalize JediTricks' opinion as not being in favor of this because he doesn't like the characters that would be produced anyway.

Am I safe in assuming that we can avoid the "saving" fiasco that existed last time where someone could get ten votes and be at the bottom of the pile but a character that got one vote would get thrown to the top of the list until it got shuffled to the bottom again? I can't tell you how many times in our last poll I voted to keep a character safe that had great support in previous rounds rather than voting for the character I most wanted. It ended up being a game to protect your favorite figure rather than voting for the one you most wanted.That's exactly what I'm talking about, the values are slanted towards top votes which passionate but small voices lend weight to despite being in a considerable minority.



That's true. Not everyone has the same tastes. I completely disagree with JT on this issue but then we buy SW for totally different reasons.

I am a diorama builder. JT seems to like just whatever figure fits his fancy.

I want Torynn Far made regardless if she has only 5 points of articulation. I'd bet JT doesn't care. But he's not in the hobby to "staff" Echo Base.

Our respective tastes would be reflected by the way we vote however.Here's the thing, you don't care if a figure hurts the overall line, if it's a boring piece of crap that drives interest away and keeps other figures that aren't on your list from being made. You want your dioramas to be complete first and foremost, so something like Wilrow Hood is more important to you than Death Star 2 Luke. That's fine for your focus, but because of the way your voting system works, 3 people passionate for this figure will outrank 10 people who are only sorta interested in Luke but are totally disinterested in Wilrow. Your system still fits your focus and the interests of the few over the interests of the many just as you claim my criticisms are due to my focus.


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Ultimately, I think none of the suggestions so far are the "right" one yet. Scene-by-scene is better than 7 from each movie because a movie like ESB has only a tenth the potential as TPM, yet scene-by-scene will take forever and likely drive away 95% of the interested voters. I say we take a look at the entire list of potential figures broken down by scene and by movie, and hold our decision on what to do with it until then.

Beast
12-29-2007, 10:35 AM
And of course, doing it scene-by-scene also risks putting crap like Senator Jar Jar on an equal playing field with Death Star II Luke, which is utterly ridiculous.
Yeah, Senator Jar Jar is way more important than another Jedi Luke. :yes:

Tycho
12-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Ultimately, I think none of the suggestions so far are the "right" one yet. Scene-by-scene is better than 7 from each movie because a movie like ESB has only a tenth the potential as TPM, yet scene-by-scene will take forever and likely drive away 95% of the interested voters. I say we take a look at the entire list of potential figures broken down by scene and by movie, and hold our decision on what to do with it until then.

I think we will hold off from saying we're going to do a poll at all - at this time. August (after Toy Fair AND Comic Con) would be the appropriate time to initiate one if we do. The details of such a poll can still be worked out in this thread.

I think someone like Mad Slanted Powers who has done an excellent job coordinating the stats from the Expanded Universe poll should orchestrate it (or Kidhuman if either is up for it - I haven't asked).

I can provide the scene-by-scene list for the impetus of it like JediTricks suggested. That might jog a person's memory - which is what I think a scene-by-scene approach is best at doing.

I think that JediTricks has effectively pointed out that I have an "agenda" (completing my dioramas with Torryn Far and Wilrow Hood being favored over an improved Jedi Knight Luke again) and if someone else ran this poll when it was time, it would be less politicized. I'd participate.

How long should we allow voting? If we asked for everyone's 6 movie lists, (and yes ESB might be the shortest), should we ask for 6 lists all at once? Such as:

TPM......AOTC......ROTS......ANH......ESB......... ROTJ
1-25.....1-25........1-25......1-25......1-25.......1-25

And people are limited to ONE post in the thread (thus have all your lists ready when you post)?

How do we (or should we) combine the lists and rank the figures? There could be up to 175 because if we add EU, there would be 7 categories. We're close to the bottom of the barrel as it is for "figures never made before." And as to the "health of the line?" Would Jacen Solo with a lightsaber actually pegwarm longer than Wilrow Hood with an ice cream maker?

And yes, "my agenda" is prejudiced against those that would want a super-articulated Nien Numb or that think the Gamorrean Guard needs an update. I'm sure I'm not the only guy who wouldn't buy those. I like the figures that I have of them just fine. (but I would have allowed them as write-ins on the poll the way I'd planned it anyway - but my poll theme was STILL "figures that have never been made before" from which there is a vast difference discernable between Captain Needa and a new Gamorrean).

But the poll would be labeled "figures never made before" as was the last one. Someone else could do a "resculpts we really want poll" and I may or may not vote in it (Han Carbonite comes to mind though).

Mad Slanted Powers
12-29-2007, 07:44 PM
I think we will hold off from saying we're going to do a poll at all - at this time. August (after Toy Fair AND Comic Con) would be the appropriate time to initiate one if we do. The details of such a poll can still be worked out in this thread.

I think someone like Mad Slanted Powers who has done an excellent job coordinating the stats from the Expanded Universe poll should orchestrate it (or Kidhuman if either is up for it - I haven't asked).

I can provide the scene-by-scene list for the impetus of it like JediTricks suggested. That might jog a person's memory - which is what I think a scene-by-scene approach is best at doing.Thanks for the endorsement, though I don't know if I would be suited to orchestrate the whole thing. I just like tallying the numbers. As you suggest, you or someone else could provide lists of figures.


How long should we allow voting? If we asked for everyone's 6 movie lists, (and yes ESB might be the shortest), should we ask for 6 lists all at once? Such as:

TPM......AOTC......ROTS......ANH......ESB......... ROTJ
1-25.....1-25........1-25......1-25......1-25.......1-25

And people are limited to ONE post in the thread (thus have all your lists ready when you post)?If we end up just having people submit one list per movie, then I would say we could do it all at once. We could leave it open for people to post any or all of their lists whenever they are ready. If I am keeping track, I should be able set something up in a spreadsheet that can easily keep track of everyone's lists. I'll be able to tell if they have already submitted a list or not.


How do we (or should we) combine the lists and rank the figures? There could be up to 175 because if we add EU, there would be 7 categories.I just thought of one possibility, and this could work both for combining the movies and for combining subsets of movies should we divide the movies in sections. Some figures from one section might actually be more desirable than figures from other sections or movies even if they don't rank at the top of their particular section. Thus, if we have people submit ranked lists and tally up the points, I'm thinking that instead of just having the top scorers advance, we should also consider how many votes they got. There could be a figure everyone ranks, but they rank it near the bottom of their lists. Thus it could finish outside the top 25 for the movie it is from, while a figure from another movie places just because a few people rank it really high. By taking into consideration the number of votes, it gives a figure with more widespread interest a chance to compete against figures that have a smaller but more dedicated following.

I also began to think about the problems with this idea. If we took the top scorers and then added some more based on having a lot of votes, then we would have even more figures to try and combine. I guess my desire to have as much as possible made makes it difficult for me to eliminate figures.

Another thought just came to mind. We could start by taking the top 5 scorers from each movie and pit them against each other. You wouldn't have to rank them all, just the top 5 or 10 or something. The top 5 or 10 or whatever number would make the list. Then we would take the top 5 remaining from each movie and repeat until we have our complete list. If one movie has more desirable figures, we could end up going deeper into its rankings than the other movies.

Tycho
12-29-2007, 09:26 PM
Another thought just came to mind. We could start by taking the top 5 scorers from each movie and pit them against each other. You wouldn't have to rank them all, just the top 5 or 10 or something. The top 5 or 10 or whatever number would make the list. Then we would take the top 5 remaining from each movie and repeat until we have our complete list. If one movie has more desirable figures, we could end up going deeper into its rankings than the other movies.

That's almost the same (if not the same) as to what my original proposed method of polling for this was. Instead of taking 5 sub-groups at a time (movies in your example, sub-scene-sections out of 26 possible in mine), my method lets a figure compete 1 at a time for its rank with at least every 26 slots being ordered accordingly (though no garauntees the EU or Prequels will wind up coveting any of those spots - just that they'll get a fair opportunity for them).


Thanks for the endorsement, though I don't know if I would be suited to orchestrate the whole thing. I just like tallying the numbers. As you suggest, you or someone else could provide lists of figures.

Or if I wind up doing this, you could be an impartial "election observer" that certifies my results (Kidhuman would be very important to have aboard, too).


If we end up just having people submit one list per movie, then I would say we could do it all at once. We could leave it open for people to post any or all of their lists whenever they are ready. If I am keeping track, I should be able set something up in a spreadsheet that can easily keep track of everyone's lists. I'll be able to tell if they have already submitted a list or not.

But why make YOU do the work. They can keep their lists in MS-Word or whatever until they have 6-7 of them, and then submit to keep the polling in order. It's understood when you want to vote in the real world, you need to register. Here, can't we agree that we just get our candidate lists in order first? Otherwise, you're here going TeeEye voted for AOTC, ROTS, ANH, and ROTJ. He still has votes for TPM and ESB, and EU if he suddenly decides he wants to. I say "No." Let TeeEye get his house in order and know that he'll be allowed 1 post in the thread. If he doesn't have a TPM list ready, he shouldn't post if he thinks he'll want one later in the week. When he IS ready, it will be his priviledge to vote.


I just thought of one possibility, and this could work both for combining the movies and for combining subsets of movies should we divide the movies in sections. Some figures from one section might actually be more desirable than figures from other sections or movies even if they don't rank at the top of their particular section.

That's what my method was designed to account for.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-29-2007, 11:23 PM
That's almost the same (if not the same) as to what my original proposed method of polling for this was. Instead of taking 5 sub-groups at a time (movies in your example, sub-scene-sections out of 26 possible in mine), my method lets a figure compete 1 at a time for its rank with at least every 26 slots being ordered accordingly (though no garauntees the EU or Prequels will wind up coveting any of those spots - just that they'll get a fair opportunity for them).Yes, it is a very similar idea, but my idea speeds things along a little better. This addresses the issue that people had with too many polls. You had 26 polls to determine one group, and then one poll at a time to get a figure onto the list. I don't think we would need that many sub-groups, probably just three per movie. We could probably just select the top five from each subgroup (for a total of 90 figures), and have people rank their top five. The top five scorers make the list. Ten polls later we would have 50. Another ten polls and we could have 100. What I like is that you don't need to select just one figure. For an undecisive person like me, picking five is a bit easier. If you do have a clear favorite, then you can put that person first. Also, picking five and ranking them is easier than picking 25 and ranking them.

So, to sum up my suggestion so far:

1)Break the movies into three parts and provide a list of characters for people to vote from.

2)Allow people to suggest possible additions to those lists.

3)Once the lists are set, people will rank their top 10 from each group.

4)Each sub-group will have their scores tallied and the results posted.

5)Select the top 5 from each sub-group and have people rank their top 5 from those 90 figures. Top five will make the final list.

6)Select the top 5 remaining from each sub-group and repeat step 5) until our list is as long as we want it to be.

So, that would be 18 polls for the first round, and 10 or 20 polls to finalize the list, depending on whether we want a top 50 or top 100.

If this is still too many polls for some people, we could condense the first round into one poll per movie and have them rank more figures. However, I think it becomes harder to put together a list when you have more to rank.


But why make YOU do the work. They can keep their lists in MS-Word or whatever until they have 6-7 of them, and then submit to keep the polling in order. It's understood when you want to vote in the real world, you need to register. Here, can't we agree that we just get our candidate lists in order first? Otherwise, you're here going TeeEye voted for AOTC, ROTS, ANH, and ROTJ. He still has votes for TPM and ESB, and EU if he suddenly decides he wants to. I say "No." Let TeeEye get his house in order and know that he'll be allowed 1 post in the thread. If he doesn't have a TPM list ready, he shouldn't post if he thinks he'll want one later in the week. When he IS ready, it will be his priviledge to vote.Certainly, it would make the thread less cluttered to have fewer posts. However, it really wouldn't be too much more work. I could have a column for each person and 10 slots per sub-group. Whenever someone posts a list, I just create a column for them and put their choices in the right spot. If they have already posted, I just add those choices to the appropriate place in their column. If they already voted for that group, they'd be penalized 5 yards for illegal procedure and told "ALL VOTES FINAL!" I guess the only thing that would add work would be looking to see if I already have a column for them. So, it would be nice to have all their votes at once, but I wouldn't be too much of a stickler about it.

I haven't mentioned the EU in this procedure. I probably agree that it could be kept separate. However, I think we could probably take whatever results we have from our current EU poll and do something similar with it. We might be able to get more votes that way if we break it down into sections and limit the selections to those that have been voted for in our current poll. Trying to rank my top 50 EU choices was rather daunting with so many sources to choose from.

jedi master sal
12-30-2007, 12:19 AM
Sorry fellas, STILL way too many polls.

We just ran through 9 polls and the final one for TAC. While they ran well, it still was a lot. Having as many polls as either of you are suggesting would be a bit overwhelming for our readers and I'm afraid they'd be bored after awhile NOT seeing a clear result for such a long time.

It took us a month for the TAC polls and that was only 60 figs.

What you're suggesting is several months worth of polls about many characters that many of us don't know or care about. EU is still niche, you've got to pull yourselves away from it to see that clearly. True it has it's place, but it still doesn't rank up there with either trilogies. It will never draw in the fans like the movies did and won't attract newer fans who only have the movies to draw from. Yes there are some and I mean a very FEW some EU characters I want to see made. I'd venture to guess that's how many of us feel as well.

Regardless of a slant towards or against EU, countless polls over months will eventually get lost in the shuffle. You'd have to be committed to it and make it SIMPLE to understand.

It's STILL way to complicated. SW fans can be intelligent, but why make it hard or something that we have to really muddle through thinking about? (I don't mean picking our choices, rather I mean making it hard for people to decipher how this grand set of polls is going to play out.)

I still vote no to this idea.

Sorry Tycho, it's a bit over the top.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-30-2007, 01:34 AM
Sorry fellas, STILL way too many polls.

We just ran through 9 polls and the final one for TAC. While they ran well, it still was a lot. Having as many polls as either of you are suggesting would be a bit overwhelming for our readers and I'm afraid they'd be bored after awhile NOT seeing a clear result for such a long time.We had a wave by wave poll for all the figures ever made and it took a long time, but there were still quite a few people that stuck with it. Plus, the first round of polls happens all at the same time. It's just a matter of "pick ten from each list." I think that is a lot easier than trying to pick and rank 25 or 50 from a much larger list.


It took us a month for the TAC polls and that was only 60 figs.

What you're suggesting is several months worth of polls about many characters that many of us don't know or care about. EU is still niche, you've got to pull yourselves away from it to see that clearly. True it has it's place, but it still doesn't rank up there with either trilogies. It will never draw in the fans like the movies did and won't attract newer fans who only have the movies to draw from. Yes there are some and I mean a very FEW some EU characters I want to see made. I'd venture to guess that's how many of us feel as well.I think the original plan is that we would have several months to conduct the polls. Start in August after Comic-Con and that would give us plenty of time to have a list ready for Toy Fair the next year or something if I understood Tycho correctly. Also, in my last post I did suggest that EU be in a separate poll, though perhaps conducted in a similar way. We could just stick with the EU poll that we currently have, but I thought that the new format might get more people interested. The current poll hasn't garnered a lot of votes. Part of it is lack of EU interest, but also I think trying to come up with a ranked list of 50 is hard. Some people submitted short lists because their EU interests or exposure might be limited. By taking the existing EU poll and creating something more focused, it might draw more interest.


Regardless of a slant towards or against EU, countless polls over months will eventually get lost in the shuffle. You'd have to be committed to it and make it SIMPLE to understand.

It's STILL way to complicated. SW fans can be intelligent, but why make it hard or something that we have to really muddle through thinking about? (I don't mean picking our choices, rather I mean making it hard for people to decipher how this grand set of polls is going to play out.)I don't believe it is too complicated. My suggestion streamlines Tycho's vision into a manageable process. I think my explanation in my previous post spells it out pretty clearly. You make a list for each group. A list of figures will be provided to choose from. You don't need to make one big ranked list, so picking 10 from a smaller group should be easier. End of Phase I. Phase II is just a series of picking your favorite 5 figures from a subset of figures, but you shouldn't worry if you leave a wanted figure off the list because you will have another chance to vote for it.

In terms of a time frame, I'd say keep Phase I open for a month to allow as many people as much time to put together their lists. Once that is done, a poll a week will add five figures at a time. If August was Phase I, then Phase II would give us 50 figures by Thanksgiving and 100 figures by the middle of January. I don't think people would lose interest if the figures they wanted still had a chance to make the list and weren't on there yet. Perhaps if someone only had a few figures they wanted and they made the list in the first couple rounds of Phase II, then maybe they would stop voting. Also, you can't really say a figure is eliminated after Phase I if it had votes and there are still spots to fill in final list. For example, if Phase II round 1 resulted in the top 5 being all Cantina Aliens, there would be 5 more of them available in the next round. So if all we want is Cantina aliens, they could occupy most of the list while the other categories get little attention.

In the end, I think it would be a better process than what they did at the other site for picking the Legends figures. This retains the tournament feel to it, but makes it more likely that the figures that most people want make the list.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 01:44 AM
Sal, I like the idea of an almost year-long process. The last Scene-By-Scene Poll was just that. It caused some stir because the process wasn't clear, but most participating stuck with it.

It gives us something to do and look forward to while visiting the site and its forums (while I'm sure my Pepto-Bismol post is just what everyone else was waiting for :rolleyes: )

jedi master sal
12-30-2007, 02:55 AM
I guess the thought of a year's long worth of polls is boring to me. Many (most) of the movie characters have been done and Hasbro would be scraping the bottome of the barrel with many of the choices no doubt. Again EU just doesn't hold the sway as much as the movies.

I'm just not seeing it.

Maybe a few years ago when there were still more movies to be made or many characters to be immortalized in plastic it worked. Not so much now.

Heck, this year is a good example of hasbro starting to scrap the bottom of the barrel.

While a huge success, the McQ line IS scraping. As well, so are many of the background characters done this year.

I have a feeling this whole thing would be slanted. People who don't like EU may be turned off entirely to the process. Same goes for PT or OT purists.

I wish you luck in it. If it happens I'll try to keep up with up, but as my interest in this is already low, well...

Mad Slanted Powers
12-30-2007, 12:32 PM
I guess the thought of a year's long worth of polls is boring to me. Many (most) of the movie characters have been done and Hasbro would be scraping the bottome of the barrel with many of the choices no doubt. Again EU just doesn't hold the sway as much as the movies.

I'm just not seeing it.

Maybe a few years ago when there were still more movies to be made or many characters to be immortalized in plastic it worked. Not so much now.

Heck, this year is a good example of hasbro starting to scrap the bottom of the barrel.

While a huge success, the McQ line IS scraping. As well, so are many of the background characters done this year.

I have a feeling this whole thing would be slanted. People who don't like EU may be turned off entirely to the process. Same goes for PT or OT purists.

I wish you luck in it. If it happens I'll try to keep up with up, but as my interest in this is already low, well...Why would people who didn't like EU be turned off by it? I already stated that the EU wouldn't be included in this suggestion, except as a separate poll. You may be right about the scraping the bottom, though. I think that once we come up with a list of figures to choose from, we will get a better idea of what's still available. It could be that the subgroups wouldn't be necessary. Also, if a lot more of the previous top 50 figures get made next year, that could mean even fewer to choose from for a new list.

Also, it wouldn't be a year long vote, it would be less than half a year. I think the multiple polls in Phase II is where it would get interesting. That's where we would see which areas have the most interest. It would be like March Madness with everyone filling out their brackets. I could see interest waning if there were only a few figures you wanted and they all made the final list early on. However, as long as there are figures that you want made still vying for a spot, you'll want to keep voting for them.

The one problem I see with the way I have laid it out so far is that in Phase II you will be choosing 5 figures from 90. That might be hard to decide. The alternative would be to add another phase to narrow down sub-groups into one list per movie. That would mean another month of polls, which we are trying to avoid. However, as mentioned before, we are scraping the bottom here, so it could be much easier to pick 5 from 90 than it seems. If we end up just doing one poll per movie rather than breaking it into subgroups, that could speed things along as well. In that case we would only be choosing 5 from 30 in Phase II.

I can understand that some might not like the prospect of it dragging on too long. You brought up the TAC polls. Those went pretty quickly, but they were designed to just pick one per wave. If we were trying to determine the top 25 figures of the year instead of just the best, that method wouldn't work because there could be more than one quality figure per wave that both exceed the best figure in another wave.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 12:57 PM
Sal, it's because we're scraping the bottom of the barrel that we're even doing this.

If they still hadn't given Admiral Ackbar a figure, or Mon Calamari troop builders the officer, we'd just have something obvious to be vocal about.

Now we need to weed out:

Utriss M'Toc
Arliel Schlos
Cane Adiss
Utai
Bastila Shan
Tahiri Veila

and decide which if any our worthy, or should we stick around with this to buy another Vader and Tatooine Luke (you know Hasbro has to release 'em) or quit the hobby.

As a diorama builder, I know you can use a handful of Utai. I don't see how you can stomach waiting for it amongst more Lukes and Vaders.

I also think from a marketing point, Jacen Solo is better known and recognizeable than any of those listed above. He might even sell better than most above, too. Might. We're testing that. Not having the EU in there really limits the contents of the barrel. It may be that Jacen can't even place above any of those listed, including the two EU ladies in the list above.

The thread contest is something to do, a long term project to work on in the forums here and give everyone a new focus, and we're trying to make the rules such that everyone's personal interests, including if they are main movie character resculpts or something, get represented.

MSP, I'm seriously reconsidering my original style recommendation. Now in the cantina alien category, I had only about 6 more entrants to compete, but I was allowing write-ins. Let's just say every write-in, even with 1 supporter, makes the subcategory. I don't think cantina write-ins will beat the top 6 cantina guys from last time who already made one of these lists (who knows - it's a very good bet Bom Vimdim's getting a figure and thus won't need to be competing anyway) but the category will still see contestants as long as it has members - so all the cantina write-ins will get their chance.

jedi master sal
12-30-2007, 01:57 PM
I can't agree with Jacen Solo being known more.

If you're a novel reader maybe. But what of the fans that don't read any of the books or are into the games instead of the books. Arguments could be made for KOTOR characters being more well known and indeed there is something to be said about that since there are no less than 3 figs from that series of games coming out within a year.

Personally I'd rather see a Guri figure than a Jacen figure. To me she's wanted more because she fits in with the time of the movies. But that's just my opinion.

And that's what these all are. I think opening this up to every and any character ever talked about, written about or drawn is going to leave us with some lack luster results and ultimately a long drawn out series of polls that won't have merit.

Tycho and MSP, I'll admit that after the first page I haven't read every post because it just gets too confusing way to fast. Yes, I'm certain if I took the time I could make sense of it, but that's just it, I don't want to have to "think" about this idea. I just simple picks in a poll that makes sense, and end in sight of those polls, and some valid reason for doing them.

I imagine I'll participate in the polls because it only takes a short amount of time, but I also imagine there will people who will drop in and out of these over the long haul which won't give us an accurate account.

The TAC polls were short and to the point. Made sense and had a reason for doing them even if it be a frivolous reason as "Best figure" of the year for SSG.

I'm still not endorsing this idea you have Tycho, but I won't get in it's way and I will participate in it if it happens.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 02:40 PM
Thanks Sal. Yeah, it's still a long way off if it happens: 8+ months. But it's best to work out the details now while we wait to monitor the details from Toy Fair and Comic Con.


I can't agree with Jacen Solo being known more.

If you're a novel reader maybe. But what of the fans that don't read any of the books or are into the games instead of the books. Arguments could be made for KOTOR characters being more well known and indeed there is something to be said about that since there are no less than 3 figs from that series of games coming out within a year.

They'll be in the poll or written-in. So there's no problem with testing that. Yes, "the argument can be made," but yes, "the data will yeild some representation of 'the facts'."

In the current Top 50 EU Poll (in my signature line), people can nominate KOTOR / video game figures. They have been, thought they have not been defeating novel characters as HTTE, NJO, and the TOTJ comics seem to dominate. ANYONE can submit their list. Where are the rest of the hoardes of KOTOR fans? Actually, there are KOTOR figures on the list right now like the HK droid and Bastila Shan. The same people voting for them must have also voted for Talon Karrde which is what explains his being that much more popular with a larger audience.


Personally I'd rather see a Guri figure than a Jacen figure. To me she's wanted more because she fits in with the time of the movies. But that's just my opinion.

That's why you can vote, and might have fun expressing that opinion.

As to "thinking about ideas," - gosh I'm addicted to that. I love stuff to be a challenge to figure out and exercise my mind over. I constantly seek every opportunity for that from my work through my entertainment. It also explains why I'm always trying to analyze and "figure out" people - and probably why I lie awake at night, always finding it difficult to quiet my mind so I can go to sleep. If some people count sheep, I'd alphabetize them and then order them by their DNA sequence codes. :rolleyes:


I imagine I'll participate in the polls because it only takes a short amount of time, but I also imagine there will people who will drop in and out of these over the long haul which won't give us an accurate account.

That's the best we can do. Did everyone vote in every one of JediTricks best-of-TAC polls? Maybe. And 9 polls isn't 100, but it's something to do when you come to the site looking for a little entertainment.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
12-30-2007, 03:40 PM
I don't know how the Top 50 EU poll ever turned out, but I liked being able to rank my own personal top choices. Perhaps you could just do something similar for each movie and the EU, and then combine those results into one (or more) other polls?

jedi master sal
12-30-2007, 03:57 PM
I don't know how the Top 50 EU poll ever turned out, but I liked being able to rank my own personal top choices. Perhaps you could just do something similar for each movie and the EU, and then combine those results into one (or more) other polls?

Heh, that's exactly what I suggested earlier in this thread.... Tycho doesn't want to go for that, lol.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 04:06 PM
Actually, MSP and I have been discussing it, and we may indeed go that way. I think for each movie a Top 25 is better. 50 is stretching it.

SAL you may note, I tried this exercise with what I want for my own dioramas. I came up with these numbers, 122 more movie figures, broken down as such (almost NO resculpts for me of course):

25 TPM - pod racers and senators helped here
25 AOTC - Padme's outfits for sure
23 ROTS - Padme's outfits again, some droids
17 ANH - Mos Eisley Cantina and droids mostly, a few Rebs and Imps
14 ESB - Cloud City deleted scenes, obscure main character outfits
18 ROTJ - Jabbas Palace, Luke DS II, Ewoks, Rebel Pilots

My examples per movie are not finite, there's some room for variance in there, that's just a general summary.

I think that a per-movie Top 25 would work to get the initial contestants for a tournament-style ranking contest. Write-ins would always be allowed after that, but here's TWICE their chance at taking "grass-roots."

JediTricks
12-30-2007, 04:21 PM
Yeah, Senator Jar Jar is way more important than another Jedi Luke. :yes:Sure, to all 6 of Jar Jar's fans. The rest of us though, not so much.

And I will point out that, unlike Senator Jar Jar, we really don't have a DS2 Luke at all (the Saga one is an ugly action-gimmick prepose, Senator Jar Jar may be doing a disco dance but no action gimmick and it looks like the character).


BTW, I think waiting until Comic-Con is pointless, SDCC is going to tell us what's in the Clone Wars line, that'll be what Hasbro is concentrating on from that point on. The only new movie figures are coming out between January (yeah right) and summer '08, we know what half of 'em are already, there's no way they're going to make a ton of new figures in that second half. Just wait till we get the scoop at Toy Fair in February.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-30-2007, 04:41 PM
BTW, I think waiting until Comic-Con is pointless, SDCC is going to tell us what's in the Clone Wars line, that'll be what Hasbro is concentrating on from that point on. The only new movie figures are coming out between January (yeah right) and summer '08, we know what half of 'em are already, there's no way they're going to make a ton of new figures in that second half. Just wait till we get the scoop at Toy Fair in February.I don't think we expect them to release the figures on our list at the end of next year. It's a list they can work with for the future.


I don't know how the Top 50 EU poll ever turned out, but I liked being able to rank my own personal top choices. Perhaps you could just do something similar for each movie and the EU, and then combine those results into one (or more) other polls?

Well, as you know from voting in that one, we just asked for 50 ranked EU figures. Only 28 people have voted, and the most recent standings are listed there (Actually, 29 have voted but I haven't tallied that person's vote yet).

With so much to choose from, I found coming up with only 50 EU figures kind of hard, let alone ranking them. What is being proposed here is that we focus on one part at a time. That way you don't have as big of a list to choose from or as big of a list to rank. If you are not a prequel person, you can skip those votes or submit a smaller list.

As Tycho mentioned, we discussed starting with a movie by movie poll to nominate figures for the tournament style poll that would start in August. These lists wouldn't even need to be ranked. It would mainly be to determine what figures to list when we start in August, and how many groups we would need to have. Or, if we decide to have ranked lists of up to 25 per movie, we could just go straight from that to the tournament style phase.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 06:45 PM
MSP: I was looking at your EU poll results.

You said 29 had voted. I rounded that to 30 in my mind to make this easy.

1/3 of the voters, or 33% would be 10 votes for any figure then.

I used 10 votes as a minimum necessary to look at an EU figure from the Top 50 list for further consideration.

23 figure concepts got 10 or more votes (with some like Jaina getting 17).

If the movies each have 25 possible competitors, it would be fair for the EU to have about 25 (where they qualify). Write-ins always allowed though.

This is working out well.

I still support August as the time to start this, after Comic Con, because we can let concern for all Clone Wars figures or something broil demand for more movie figures then (after Comic Con) and take our time making the single-movie-poll contestant lists I guess.

If not, if starting this after Toy Fair, do you suggest asking for 6 lists (by movie obviously) to be turned in by everyone now (during Jan-Mar? - have to wait until after Toy Fair anyway, or people will waste votes on figures already coming out).

JediTricks
12-30-2007, 06:58 PM
I don't think you should predetermine how it works before seeing how many potential figures can be made from each scene/each movie. If TPM has 100 figures and ESB has 20, you'd end up with that unbalanced results issue.


Turning this list in at SDCC - rather than starting after the show ends - is probably the best time to do it since they plan a year to a year and a half in advance.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
12-30-2007, 07:43 PM
Heh, that's exactly what I suggested earlier in this thread.... Tycho doesn't want to go for that, lol.
Sorry, I've just been kind of skimming this thread. I'll pop back in once you guys have it figured out. :thumbsup:

Droid
12-30-2007, 08:17 PM
I think Jacen Solo is a good choice for an EU figure, though I would not buy it.

They could do an Evolutions set. One figure of him as a little kid, one as a good guy Jedi and one as Darth Really Stupid Idea.

Even then I don't know if it would sell.

jedi master sal
12-31-2007, 04:53 PM
Sorry, I've just been kind of skimming this thread. I'll pop back in once you guys have it figured out. :thumbsup:

No worries. I've just been skimming it as well. My head hurts after reading one of Tycho's post in this thread. heh heh

JediTricks
12-31-2007, 05:47 PM
Tycho, see here for why I think doing any predetermined number of figures from every series won't work: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=589099&postcount=26

Basically, what happened was that Bigbarada's top choice lost the wave 7 poll and didn't make the finals, but it actually was so close that it would have gotten more support than some of the other winners that did make the poll.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-31-2007, 08:12 PM
Tycho, see here for why I think doing any predetermined number of figures from every series won't work: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=589099&postcount=26

Basically, what happened was that Bigbarada's top choice lost the wave 7 poll and didn't make the finals, but it actually was so close that it would have gotten more support than some of the other winners that did make the poll.
Well, the method I was suggesting would account for that partly. Once we have computed and ranked every movie or subset of a movie, take the top 5 from each group and have people rank their favorites. The top 5 will make the list. We then repeat the process until the list is full. If it turns out that the most wanted figures are from one movie, then those will be the ones that make it because they will keep beating out the figures from the other movies in each round of voting.

However, I do agree that we should figure out how many choices we might have before we figure anything out for certain. Tycho could go through his scene-by-scene thread and get an initial list of figures there that haven't been made. Once we have a count, we can decide how to approach it. Each group we vote on at first should be about the same size.

The thing about the TAC poll is that you could only vote for one and we were only trying to determine the best. If a figure couldn't win its wave, then it wasn't the best. Here were are just making a list. The order is less important, but the most wanted figures should all be near the top.

JediTricks
01-04-2008, 03:34 AM
Tycho, I think we all agree, post them scene-by-scene lists so we can give our 2 cents on how to move forward.

Tycho
01-04-2008, 04:42 AM
Mad Slanted Powers and I have worked out a new system - his idea mostly to give credit where it is due - that will be implimented.

First, the Expanded Universe Poll will close Feb. 21, after Toy Fair, when we should have a good idea of everything 2008 will deal with.

Next, each month we'll query for a Top 25 list from each movie and use that to make a master list from which to do run-offs from.

MSP may want to explain more. I'm not "in that moment" at this moment.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-04-2008, 07:56 PM
Okay, as Tycho explained it, we will start next month after the EU poll closes and have a monthly poll for each movie. You can submit a ranked list of up to 25 characters. I'll tabulate the results to get rankings and we'll move on to the next movie.

We will then take the top 5 from each movie plus the top 5 from the EU poll and have people rank their top 5 most wanted figures from those 35. I'll tabulate the results and the top 5 will make our list.

We then repeat the process. We take the top 5 remaining figures from each and have people vote for their top 5 again. Ten rounds of this and we have a top 50. 20 rounds and we have a top 100. If it turns out that one movie has more wanted figures, the votes should reflect that.

I think this is a good compromise between what Tycho's initial idea was and something like the TAC best of poll. Feedback here suggested that people didn't want too many polls and that they wanted to submit their own lists. Phase I will allow people to submit their own lists for each movie. Phase II will be similar to what Tycho suggested, but will have far fewer rounds. That is also where it will start to get interesting as we will see how the figures from different movies compete with each other.

One thing I noted in looking at Tycho's previous scene-by-scene poll is that it was often hard to pick just one figure from a list. Here, you get a chance to pick five while also knowing that any others you might still want might make the cut that round anyway, or will likely fare better in the next round if they didn't make it. Also, as was noted in the TAC poll, some favorites didn't make the final round since we only took one per wave. Here, basically everything is in the Phase II voting. We only take the top five at a time, but if people keep voting in figures from one movie, we'll keep working our way down that movie's list.

So, to sum up:

PHASE I - People submit ranked lists of up to 25 figures for each movie.

PHASE II - Take the top 5 from each movie and the top 5 from the EU poll for a total of 35 figures. People rank their top 5 from that list. The top 5 make our final list.

PHASE III - There is no Phase III. Just keep repeating Phase II to get as many figures as we want on the list.

I guess this isn't set in stone until we start doing it, so you have about seven weeks to comment and offer suggestions. That is also how much time you have to vote in the EU poll if you haven't already.

jedi master sal
01-05-2008, 11:34 AM
Okay again I'm confused...

here's how I'm reading this so bear with me and tell me if I'm wrong.

After your get the top 5 from each category we vote on those to get the top 5 overall.

Now here's where I'm confused. This leaves 30 figures that still outrank ALL others. Should we then not vote on those 30 remaining to get the next batch of 5 and so on?

TO me it sounds like after the first 35, you ditch the 30 who didn't make it and move on to numbers 36-70 and we would vote the top 5 from those.

If that's the case, then it's completely unfair to the 30 who garnered more votes previously.

If this isn't the case, then what happens to those 30 left over from the first run-off of 35?

Also, taking one month each per movie per poll (plus EU)? Too long. People WILL get bored with it and won't see results for a half year. I'd highly suggest no more than 2 weeks per poll. However if this is to be the grandiose poll that MSP and Tycho are trying to make it, then with Steve and JT's help, this should be promoted heavily on the home page so we CAN draw in more people to it.

This revision is better, but still a little complicated and long, IMHO.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-05-2008, 11:59 AM
No, you don't ditch numbers 6 through 35 after the first round. Here is how it will look:

The following figures will be available in the first round of runoffs:


ANH1 ESB1 ROJ1 TPM1 AOC1 ROS1 EXU1
ANH2 ESB2 ROJ2 TPM2 AOC2 ROS2 EXU2
ANH3 ESB3 ROJ3 TPM3 AOC3 ROS3 EXU3
ANH4 ESB4 ROJ4 TPM4 AOC4 ROS4 EXU4
ANH5 ESB5 ROJ5 TPM5 AOC5 ROS5 EXU5


Lets say the top 5 were ANH1, ESB1, ROJ1, TPM1, EXU1. Then the figures that will be available in the next round will be:


ANH2 ESB2 ROJ2 TPM2 AOC1 ROS1 EXU2
ANH3 ESB3 ROJ3 TPM3 AOC2 ROS2 EXU3
ANH4 ESB4 ROJ4 TPM4 AOC3 ROS3 EXU4
ANH5 ESB5 ROJ5 TPM5 AOC4 ROS4 EXU5
ANH6 ESB6 ROJ6 TPM6 AOC5 ROS5 EXU6


If it turned out that people mainly wanted cantina and Jabba's palace aliens, then we would go deeper into the ANH and ROJ lists. The lists from round to round will be mostly the same except that the top five get voted in and five more get added to the bottom.

I do agree that maybe we could speed the initial nominating round a bit, or perhaps run them concurrently. Instead of having one poll a month for six months, we could have all of them at once and leave it open for two or three months. There won't be another EU nominating poll. That one has already been open for quite a while and will be closing on Feb 21 as Tycho said.

Tycho
01-05-2008, 02:39 PM
I hate to be glum, but here comes the reality check:

- There might be 100 of us or so "regulars" around here that are left at the moment. There are no more movies, and many who came to this site, and even more who never heard of it, have dropped out of the hobby.

- Furthermore, probably the people who have been around long enough to be regulars may want stuff like the Tonnika Sisters or Sgt. Doaylln, but newbies might not have Greedo, and not want to delve deeper than that.

- The EU fans are regulars, no doubt - as evidenced from Ulic Qel Droma and Exar Kun's success, since these are characters rememberd from the '90's comics with love for them that statistically tops K'Kruhk's. Non-EU fans won't care. But I don't think there are 'newbie EU fans.'

- This poll best serves us regulars and for whatever reasons we have left for sticking around. Newbies might feel 'unworthy or unwelcome' if they don't know who Talon Karrde is, OR Bom Vimdim. (Heck, everyone can just enjoy SW right? Get them a Vader re-card figure). This poll is for us old school regulars who already have Vader and Greedo, and probably aren't interested in the next "new and improved one." Advertising it on the main site then serves what purpose?

- It still has merit for going to Hasbro, as it shows them a small sample of what the Old School wants from them, sure. But how important are the forum members of SirStevesGuide.com as opposed to the other websites' forum members? (If Hasbro was looking at the issue, not us). Why if SSG does this poll in their forums, should RS, GH, YF, AN, and so on be any less important? Who knows? Maybe they've already made this effort. I don't really visit the other boards.

No. This poll is basically for us, the Old Guard, the last 100, who are probably always going to stick around here. Like I said, we can give it to Hasbro, but it will eventually turn out to be just what "some amount less than 100 people think." If Hasbro asked for this, they'd do it through their own website or Toy Fare, Lee's - something like that. Doing it at HasbroToyShop.com would be smart for generating traffic for them. And doing it at StarWars.com could also be a good idea.

But for those of us here, we're limited to doing this just for us at SSG.

I used to do polls here for the site all the time though. With SW, I would often note that with 20 votes, a holding pattern for the percentages could be discerned. And I don't recall an instance where that ever really over-turned. Thus if we only get 20 regulars to vote - (past experience shows there will be a bit more) - we'll have a pretty good sample that might reveal to us the pattern that would persist if we got 1000 responses the way it once worked for us in the old days.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-05-2008, 04:07 PM
On the TAC best of polls, there were about 60-70 votes in each. Of course, those were easier to vote in and you didn't have to post anything. So, it would be reasonable that the numbers for the initial round of people submitting top 25 lists would be more like what we got with the EU. Only 29 at this point I think. So, I would hope that we would get at least in the 20-30 range for those. That's probably all we need to get an idea of which figures are the most wanted from each movie. My hope is that we would get a few more people voting in the second phase, at least in the early rounds.

JediTricks
01-06-2008, 07:02 PM
Honestly, I find this pretty much the same issue I had before, if some scenes and movies have more interest than others, they still won't be weighed heavier because the results are coming off the top evenly. That's fine if you're looking for a rainbow of results from all the movies, but it doesn't actually help the majority float to the top as well.

Tycho
01-06-2008, 07:20 PM
No. You don't understand the system. Mad Slanted Powers, if you will....

Mad Slanted Powers
01-06-2008, 08:13 PM
Yes, they are all coming off the top, but if people like one movie more as you suggest, those figures will win. If most people want only cantina aliens, they could place 1 through 5 in the first run-off round. The next round, 6th through 10th place in the ANH poll would be competing against 1st through 5th from all the other polls.

Another thing to point out is that you only vote for five each round and five is all that make it. So, even if more ANH figures were available, you couldn't vote for them. That is why I didn't want to take more than the top five to the final list. If the top six figures people want are from ANH, this will help keep figures from other movies finishing in front of that sixth figure. That could still happen, but overall, our final list should contain the top figures we want in pretty close to the order we want them. Of course, the more votes we have, the better the results will be. One EU lover voting for Exar Kun as 1st would equal another figure's five 5th place votes.

Here is an example that I used to explain the process to Tycho. I just made up the places as I went along.

Each column is a voter. There are five voters in this example. The point value of each vote is on the far right.

ANH1 ANH1 ESB1 ROJ1 TPM1 5 points
ESB1 ESB1 ANH1 ANH1 AOC1 4 points
ROJ1 ANH2 ROJ1 ESB1 TPM2 3 points
ANH2 ESB2 ANH2 ANH2 ANH1 2 points
ESB2 ROJ1 TPM1 ESB2 TPM3 1 point

Tallying up the results. The numbers in parentheses are the points from each voter above.

ANH1 = 20 points (5,5,4,4,2)
ESB1 = 16 points (4,4,5,3,0)
ROJ1 = 12 points (3,1,3,5,0)
ANH2 = 9 points (2,3,2,2,0)
TPM1 = 6 points (0,1,0,0,5)
ESB2 = 4 points (1,2,0,1,0)
AOC1 = 4 points (0,0,0,0,4)
TPM2 = 3 points (0,0,0,0,3)
TPM3 = 1 point (0,0,0,0,1)

So in that example, most people were voting for OT figures. One person voted a TPM figure first and that helped it land the 5th spot even though only one other person voted for it, and 5th place at that. However, the only figure that you could say was robbed here was ESB2. The other three were all single vote getters. ESB2 was clearly not as good as the top three though, and it should make the list the next round. Those three that voted for it will probably vote it 1st in round 2 because all the other ones they voted ahead of it have made the list. So, maybe it deserved to be 5th, but if it finishes 6th, it's not that big of a difference.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-22-2008, 02:40 AM
So, with a month to go before the EU poll closes, I thought I would see if we've figured out the next step. I think Tycho and I plan to stick to the method I worked out, but there was some concern that the movie by movie polls would drag on. At one month per movie, it would take six months to get to phase II. We could cut that time in half and have people submit their lists for each movie whenever they want over the course of three months.

Tycho
01-22-2008, 03:15 AM
Maybe. But consider this:

1) Comic Con is at the very end of July. If the EU poll is ended Feb. 21 and three months are given for the six-movie lists, they'll be called to be finalized in by the end of May or early June. I think that revisions should be allowed after Comic Con perhaps? ***

2) A month for each movie would allow for some discussion and lobbying for certain figures. ESB which is the hardest to mine for never-before-made-characters might pick up traction if it is the sole focus during its time.


My opinion is not "right." I am playing devil's advocate so all options are considered.

3) If 3 months are given for the 6 movies, that might be too long. On the other hand, if 1 month is given, we could start the voting and maybe finish it before Comic Con 2008 and deliver the list to Hasbro then. I'm not sure that this is a good idea though. They're at about 50% complete from the lists we voted on before. We're hoping that Toy Fair takes us to 75% or so. My long-as-heck poll proposal was also intended to entertain us and offer us something to discuss while giving Hasbro even another year to get closer to 100% of completion. In the Q&A, we already got confirmation that by 2009 we'd have 2 of Yarna, Torynn, and Beru (young I hope). That would knock off 3 more, but only 1 of them per year.

I don't see what the rush is to get this done quickly. Like I said, my long-as-heck process I originally proposed could entertain us for even a year. I don't see what use having another poll showing that Young Owen and Young Beru are in demand. Hasbro already has our list that showed that and their recent Q&A at least acknowledged it about Beru (we hope - considering it's an AOTC figure).

In any case, look at the turn-around. Hasbro is working on 2009 figures right now. It will take until 2010 for us to get most of them.

If we turn in a list now in 2008, they won't work on them until 2010 anyway - for 2011 release and then on. If we turn it in by July 2009, it won't make any difference. It's JANUARY 2008 right now.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-22-2008, 07:47 PM
It looks like Toy Fair ends just before February 21st, so we will have the announcements from that before we begin the polls. Comic Con is at the end of July, so I think it would be nice to have the movie by movie polls done about that time. Then we can remove any announced figures from the lists before we start are Phase II voting. So, this would seem to favor the month per movie plan.

JediTricks
01-24-2008, 11:26 PM
Post the damn list now, don't be so wrapped up in your own perceived genius that you can't give others the benefit of the doubt and come up with something that works better. At the very least, it could cement your idea with those on the fence.

Tycho
01-25-2008, 12:08 AM
My genius is not perceived. It is a matter of fact.

I am also qualified to be considering promoting Mad Slanted Powers to genius status as well.

Together, you will not be able to resist our combined ingeniusness!

But there really is no use in doing this before Toy Fair.

Now it's possible that we'll only see Wave 1, The Force Unleashed Wave, and the Clone Wars Mon Calamari Wave at TF, but we don't know that. Plus we need to have picture-as-proof evidence before anything is off the list. The Clone Wars wave might in fact have Obi-Wan with Armor (Muunlist) and thus eliminate something that was voted for in the EU poll. But we need to see the proof.

As to the Torryn Far, Beru Whitesun-Lars, and Yarna dal Gargon clue for 2008 - 2009 (2 of 3) from Hasbro's Q&A - that's not specific enough nor is it photo proof.

There's nothing to work with yet. I'm sorry if you're bored. That was why I thought of making it a year-long-polling process in the first place.

JediTricks
01-25-2008, 01:13 AM
They're not "facts" if they only exist in your imagination.

There's not going to be that much at Toy Fair even if they did every single figure you just mentioned. Oh no, you'd have to take half a dozen figures out of polls we haven't even gotten to yet, boo-fricken'-hoo. They're not going to make your top 50 figures show up there no matter what, we'd be lucky to get a dozen of 'em and then you just go to the next figures down the list anyway.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-25-2008, 02:15 AM
Post the damn list now, don't be so wrapped up in your own perceived genius that you can't give others the benefit of the doubt and come up with something that works better. At the very least, it could cement your idea with those on the fence.
Post what list? We won't have a list until people submit their own lists and we tally the votes. If you mean open the polling now, I have no objection to that.

pegger
01-25-2008, 08:02 AM
I gotta agree with JT.

Besides, EVEN is Hasbro does make some figures off our list - I'm sur ewe could "sell" them the rest of this list, but pointing out - that some figs are done. Besides, when's Toyfair? February? There's no way our list will be ready in a couple of weeks.

At this point, I think your procastinating for no particularly good reason.

Tycho
01-25-2008, 08:41 AM
If you mean open the polling now, I have no objection to that.

Alright. I'm outvoted and JediTricks' argument was actually logical - and I agree. We're not going to see too many surprises at Toy Fair beyond the first 3 waves that don't take figures off our lists - but what does surprise us can be adjusted for during the polling process anyway.

Mad Slanted Powers: do you want to start the polling thread? You will be administering it.

If you want an official "ball pass" to you to run this, I will endorse your poll and ask Kidhuman to as well. That should cover it in so much as legitimizing it by "the old guard."**

I'm thinking, why not go for it while we have the enthusiasm?

I'd like to see Kidhuman weigh his opinion in on that, though. I'd be concerned if he has any objections to doing this, or MSP running it.

*** Kidhuman and I can still update our old threads as Hasbro makes stuff come off those lists. I can't speak for him, but I'm still in this hobby to get those remaining 20+ figures and a few others.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-25-2008, 10:03 PM
I'll go ahead and start the thread then. I'll post a link here when it is ready to go.

JediTricks
01-25-2008, 11:37 PM
Post what list? We won't have a list until people submit their own lists and we tally the votes. If you mean open the polling now, I have no objection to that.Tycho says he can put up a scene-by-scene list of all the unmade figures right away, I've been telling him to just throw it up so we can better assess how to deal with it, rather than just assuming movie-by-movie or scene-by-scene must be the only way to deal with it. Plus, it'll get momentum started on thinking about what folks want - it feels like there was some momentum on the issue last month even with the disagreement of how to proceed, and the waiting until Toy Fair is quickly burning the pacing off.


Anyway, good to see I've gotten you guys to talk actively about doing it...

Mad Slanted Powers
01-25-2008, 11:50 PM
Well, I will hold off on starting the new thread then. Plus, I'm not sure which section I should post it in now that 30th Anniversary is at its end.

JediTricks
01-25-2008, 11:52 PM
Do it here and I'll move it to whatever new section Steve makes.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 12:22 AM
Alright. I'll put it up here in a little while. I'm having dinner at the moment and just checking my subscribed threads.

I did send a message to Kidhuman and I was waiting to hear him weigh in on this.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 01:17 AM
Luckily I have this stuff saved...

These are not my preferences or ordered any other way than how they appeared in the Scene-By-Scene Poll btw. The figures I want ARE amongst these. And perhaps you may want to add someone I forgot somewhere.

These were figures NEVER MADE BEFORE not resculpts by the way. But please feel free to add 17 more Darth Vaders ;)

I think we're going to ask people to pick their top 25 per movie from each of these lists, and rank them from "want most" to "not want as much as the figure above it." In some cases people won't have 25 figures.

The prequels are newer, thus they have more figures still never made as possibilities.

With a sloppy count, I only got 191 figure possibilities in total, btw. I'm sure there are more, but that's my quick stab at it. If we took 150 figures (6 top 25 lists - though some movies don't even have 25 figures left to be done really) we're only viewing which 41 figures "not to do." ;) However, making a Top 100 or Top 50 makes some sense as we cut the possibilities down to half. Meanwhile, adding the EU - or 25 of the most wanted from amongst them, makes sense to me as Exar Kun will sell better than Bufon Taire. I think Darth Revan and Darth Malak proved that.

Anyway, with nothing further, here's what I've got amongst all the movie possibilities (geared towards diorama builders, as they want the most comprehensive collection and everyone else wants less).



THE PHANTOM MENACE

Radiant VII female captain (Republic Officer)
Radiant VII male co-pilot (Republic Officer)
Captain Dauldry Dofine (Niemoidian / Trade Federation) -
Commander Tey How (Niemoidian / Trade Federation)
Qui-Gon Jinn (molded cloak, hood up) -
Nute Gunray Hologram -
Senator Palpatine Hologram -
Battle Droid (blue-stripe / pilot droid) -
Captain Panaka (softgoods, removeable hat) -
Black Travel Queen (softgoods that can sit on Royal Starship Throne) -
Qui-Gon Jinn, Tatooine Poncho, molded plastic -
black Coruscant Guard (ethnic variation of the Senate Guard) -
Chancellor Valorum, brown business suit from landing platform -
Queen Amidala, PreSenate (yellow gown from Palpatine's Office) -
Sei Teria, Asian woman, Supreme Chancellor Valorum's aide -
Queen Amidala, Post Senate (black gown -Palpatine's office and Nute Gunray's arrest)
Royal Handmaiden dark purple gown from Senate and Post Senate scenes -
Queen Amidala Return to Naboo (purple travel gown also worn at Qui-Gon's funeral)
Wald (little Rodian) -
Kitster (Anakin's friend) -
Ann or Tan Gella (blue Twi'lek girls massaging Sebulba)
Ben Quadrinaros (podracer - looks like a seed in a pod)
Mohawnic
Rats Tyrell (podracer - was killed during the Boonta Classic, had wife, kids) -
Wan Sandage (podracer - looks like a green fox or close to it) -
Aldar Beedo (podracer - looks like a green reptilian ant-eater with sharp teeth)
Bolls Rohr (podracer - looks like the Tasmanian Devil) -
Old Jira (elder lady who's friend of Anakin's and who's bones are aching) -
The Coruscant Taxi Driver (not exactly a Bothan, but looks similar)
Edcel Bargan (from Roona I think) -
Mot Not Rab -
The Rodian Senator (long red cloak) -
Ithorian Senator (Hammerhead in long white cloak) -
E.T. Senator (probably Speilberg's property, but we can try) -
Bail Antilles (human from Alderaan, wearing white) -
Handmaiden (battledress, blonde - the most different you'd make her from Padme) -
Gungan Child -
Gungan Female -
black N-1 Pilot (Bravo 3) -
female N-1 Pilot (Bravo 2) -
black Naboo Security (we can't have armies of clones) -
white Naboo Royal Guard (again, we can't have armies of clones) -
Federation Pick-up Droid (little white E.T. droid that cleans up after battles)
Gungan Band Member (drum and trumpet included)

ATTACK OF THE CLONES

Corde (Senator's Decoy from starship explosion) -
Barriss Offee (more articulation, relaxed pose) -
Padme Amidala (Galactic Senate - from speech in deleted scene) -
Dorme (Senator's Personal Aide) -
JarJar Binks (Palpatine's Office / Padme's Apartment robes) -
Padme Amidala (Palpatine's Office / Private Apartment) -
Captain Typho (regular duty uniform) -
Anakin Skywalker (Padme's apartment, non-preposed Jedi robes) -
Obi-Wan Kenobi (Padme's apartment, non-preposed Jedi robes) -
Pamde (nightgown from attack, also balcony scene with Anakin - removeable outer robe) -
alien aircar driver that almost hits Obi-Wan hanging on droid ("what the?!") -
Bufon Taire - Outlander Bartender (black human male, grey suit) -
Lunae Minx (Lucas' daughter as Twi'lek female) -
Tas Kee - Weequay pirate with blue hat + uniform, with Hat Lo -
Hat Lo - crime boss with collar taller than head hiding human features -
Nyrat Agira - sexy human chick with medusa spiked bruntte hair in red thong -
Immi Danoo - sexy blonde human female in short-shorts with cape -
Rosha Vess - purple haired sexy human chick with bikini top tattoos around her belly -
Necil Sing - Asian human female with beaded veil was interested in Anakin -
Daro Willits - possibly half black, half-white human male with pony-tailed dreadlocks -
Older Dug (Sebulba?) from Dexter's Diner -
Younger Dug (from Dexter's Diner) -
Hermione Bagwa (Dexter's blonde human waitress with the garter) -
Padme Amidala -refugee disguise from Outland Peasant Freighter -
Jocasta Nu - Jedi Librarian that helps Obi-Wan -
Queen Jamilla -
Sio Bibble - 10 years older -
Padme Amidala (from Senator's report to the Queen) -
Padme at her parents' house (deleted scene, blue dress, midriff showing) -
Jobal Naberrie (Padme's mother- deleted scene) -
Padme's father (deleted scene) -
Padme's Sister (deleted scene) -
Either of Padme's nieces (deleted scene) -
Obi-Wan Kenobi (wet, hood up in shell cloak, SA in 2nd Jedi robe underneathe) -
Kaminoan civilian -
Padme Amidala (backless dress from first kiss on balcony "here everything is soft") -
Clone Kid (more articulate "this group was created 5 years ago") -
Padme Amidala (yellow see-through dress from picnic by the waterfalls) -
Owen Lars (Anakin's young step-brother) -
Beru Whitesun (Owen's girlfriend) -
Cliegg Lars (Shmi Skywalker's husband) -
Separatist Niemoidan (forgot his name, but it's not Rune in E2) -
Separatist Quarren Senator Tikkes (Squidhead wearing red) -
Separatist Tonbuck Toora (large mouse the size of a Whipid) -
Padme Amidala (from the Lars garage - "I killed them all")
Shmi Skywalker (beaten by the Tuskens and dying) -
Darra - the blonde Jedi girl that goes "Haa!" Could be Jedi Quest character - .
Obi-Wan Kenobi - wounded by Dooku's saber -
Dooku's pilot droid from hanger duel -

REVENGE OF THE SITH

Anakin Jedi Fighter Pilot
Bail Organa in Senator's robes
Padme in Senator's robes with hair in buns
Female shaped protocal droid in landing bay BTY-10
Jar Jar
Senator Fang Zar
General Grievous - larger size
Nute
Rune Haako
Lott Dodd
Shu Mai
Passal Argente
Tikkes (Quarren)
Padme Nightgown light blue with white beeds (pregnant)
Anakin shirtless with Jedi over-robe, prosthetic arm,
Anakin in regular Jedi robes not pre-posed
Obi-Wan Kenobi softgoods, with Jedi Council chair
Anakin Skywalker - soft goods, Jedi Council chair, etc.
Pablo Jill - softgoods, Jedi Council chair
Sly Moore - softgoods (Opera)
Coleman Trebor-type alien in Palpatine's opera box
Twi'lek chick from the Opera
Darth Sidious Hologram
blue R2 droid with white dome
Lampa Fay - aide to Tion Meddon
Utai - little creatures that fuel Obi-Wan's fighter
human younglings
Bail Organa airspeeder pilot outfit
Jeremy Bulloch as Tantive IV pilot - his name is not supposed to be Colton
Polis Masan - fat one
FX-6 droid (Vader's birth)
Padme's medical droid
Padme's baby delivery droid with Luke & Leia
E3 Queen of Naboo
Imperial Officer green/grey uniform - generic
Bail Organa's wife (Queen of Alderaan) with Leia


A NEW HOPE

Old Rebel Fleet Trooper -
Imperial Officer (officer's tunic, as the 3 figures we have wear a jumpsuit) -
the white platform droid with the multiple arms sticking up from it (Jawa scenes) -
Uncle Owen (resculpted and carded) -
a moisture farmer (background human male with hat and typical Tatooine garb) -
the Bantha droid - large blue rolling droid, seen while Sandtroopers knock on doors -
Wioslea - large cloaked alien who buys Luke's landspeeder before they leave Tatooine -
the Advoze (Bom Vimdim) -.
Brea or Senni Tonnika (this is not a 2-pack. assume you get one) do you want it?)
Zvvvst (Brzzzt - "the Fly")
the Lamproid (Dice Ebegon) -
the Saurin (Fal Chas) -
Brainiac (who's brain you can see) -
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise carded
Red Leader Garven Dreis (completely resculpted, removeable helmet) - .
R5 droid red and black stripes -
Rebel Flight Deck Crewman Yavin Base -
Han Solo Yavin Ceremony -

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

Torynn Farr -
Hoth Deck Officer (vintage figure re-do) -
Captain Lennox (commanded Star Destroyer hit by ion cannon) -
R4 droid (white body, black head) -
Luke Skywalker Dagobah (tree cave - Bespin jacket hanging open over muscle shirt) -
Princess Leia Recovery Room (Rebel Medical Frigate) -
Luke Skywalker Recovery Room with bionic hand repairs -
U-3PO (a silver protocal droid, they could re-card TC-14) -
black Bespin Security Guard -
Utriss M'Toc alien Bespin Security Guard -
Wiorkettle a Snivvian -
Treva Horme a tall Cloud City alien civilian -
The Ice Cream Maker Guy (Wilrow Hood)
new Ugnaught -
black Cloud Car Pilot -
Bespin Security Guard with a mustache in case you think the Vintage isn't redone yet -
Cloud City civilian woman Bespin Escape (seen in evacuation scenes) -

RETURN OF THE JEDI


Yarna dal Gargon -
Ak-Rev (Weequay Drummer) -
Shasha Teil Ishi Tibb -
the bird-head droid with the needle nose -
Klaatu a green Nikto from Kenner's vintage collection -
white human guard who shoots Luke's hand has helmet with antlers -
black human courtier stands behind Jabba, goes on sailbarge -
Sgt Doaylln has tank on his head gets thrown against wall when Boussh enters -
R2D2 w. Launching lightsaber complete redo -
Nikto alternative for those not convinced Kenner's was redone -
Weequay alternative version, tan padding on chest
Slim Aloo Imperial Dignitary made as vintage figure in the 80's -
Dresselian Rebel PruneFace's species, but no eye-patch -
human B-wing pilot red uniform made as vintage figure in the 80's -
black X-wing fighter pilot from Executor attack "She's going to blow!" -
Grey Leader Asian Y-wing pilot in gray uniform "I'm hit!" -
Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight Death Star II (no tunic vest) -
Darth Vader Removeable Helmet updated neutral figure -
Lando Calrissian Ewok Celebration (slightly different from General's uniform) -
Master Yoda spirit / ghost done like new Dagobah Obi-Wan -
R2-D2 shield bunker blasted open all gadgets sticking out everywhere -
old bearded man Endor Soldier in stolen Bikerscout uniform -
Mother Ewok with baby Wokling -
Paploo non-flying resculpt
Lumat -
Warok -
Keeolkeech

Mad Slanted Powers
01-26-2008, 02:28 AM
Okay, those should be a good starting point for people to refer to. I had something written up earlier to start the poll thread. I could add your lists to it as a reference for people. Should I also state that the poll is strictly for never before made figures? Have we agreed to do one month per movie and move on to the next one? That will probably make it easier, as I can just post each of your lists at the beginning of each movie poll, rather than all at once and making an already long intro post even longer.

Once we get all of that straightened out, I'll start the thread.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 02:57 AM
Should I also state that the poll is strictly for never before made figures?

I wish it were, but that doesn't accurately reflect everyone here's wishes. Some want a new Leia Hoth etc. Plus I have Red Leader on the list as well as Lightsaber Launching R2, and they made those figures already - just I think they were so horrible that they merit a new figure more than Hoth Leia does or a Super-Articulated General Rieeken.

But I don't think you have to list these options. It will be up to everyone's personal taste.


Have we agreed to do one month per movie and move on to the next one?

You're running the poll. You make that call. However, I'd recommend mixing every other poll between OT and PT to keep everyone's interest if you're going to go with monthly.


That will probably make it easier, as I can just post each of your lists at the beginning of each movie poll, rather than all at once and making an already long intro post even longer.

I agree with this.


Once we get all of that straightened out, I'll start the thread.

Cool. Make sure you link to it here.

BTW: do you want there to be 6 threads eventually? I'd think it'd make less of a mess.

pegger
01-26-2008, 09:26 AM
Here's some more ANH that were't on your list...

A NEW HOPE


M-3P0 (or is it U-3P0?)
R2-D2 Ion shot
M-HYD "Binary" droid
CZ-3
Bald Imperial in DS breifing room
Dead jawa
Crispy Owen
Crispy Beru
Yellow R5 (in Tatooine)
Tatooine Male Civilian (human)
Tatooine Female Civilian (human)
WED-9-M1
Defel
Rycar Ryrad (The Midget)
Mosep
Guy in yellow space suit (in the bar)
2nd Duro
Reegesk
Solomahal
Leesub Sirln
Trinto Duaba
Swilly Corey
Human Male bar patron
Human Female Bar patron
Jabba bodyguard - tall human
Jabba bodyguard - fat, bearded human
Imperial Officer (Grey tunic, black pants, black hat)
Chess Pieces x 8
Pilot Chewie
Spacetrooper (seen when Falcon is tractored in)
Imperial Officer (grey uniform)
Imperial Officer (white uniform)
R2-D2 with data arm
Blue R3 (roaming the DS halls)
Leia in dirty clothes (post compactor)
R2-D2 with fire extinguisher
Rebel - grey uniform
Commander Vanden Willard
Rebel General (The bald guy seen in the briefing room)
Green R2 (seen on Yavin)
White R5 (seen in briefing room)
Rebel dispactcher
Red 10 pilot
all white R2 unit (seen in attack on DS - on the x-wing's)
Wedge's R2
"I'm hit" X wing guy
Gold 5
Tyre
"too much interference" pilot
Blown up R2-D2
Rebel brown uniform with hat

pegger
01-26-2008, 09:37 AM
Here's some more ESB choices too.

Hoth rebel Techs
Han - Hoth Gear (hooded)
R5-black top (Echo Base)
Red and white R2 (Echo Base)
Rebel Commander - Orange Parka
R2-D2 with scanner no
Ghost of Obi Wan (hood up)
Luke in medical garb (post Wampa attak)
Imperial officer white uniform with black hat
Han - Hoth gear - parka open
Luke in Orange jumpsuit (post Trama room - pre battle of Hoth)
Rebel Dispatcher
Hoth Rebel Troopers Commander
Wedge in snowspeeder gear
Jansen in Snowspeeder gear
Holo imperial captain
han with welding goggles
Captain Needa
Bespin technician
White IG-88
Han - shirt out (post torture)
Lando without cape
Prisoner Han (no jacket - shackled)
R2-D2 with data link (thin)
R2-D2 with data link (thick)
R2-D2 with extinguisher
Luke in blanket (post dangling below Bespin)
Large mouse droid
R2-D2 with welder
C-3P0 with no leg
R2 with claw arm


PS - I'm trying not to duplicate Tycho's list - these are just additional choices for the poll (since it hasn't started yet.

I've got on emore list (ROTJ) that I'm going to add. (only because the OT lists look very small compared to the PT lists)

pegger
01-26-2008, 09:53 AM
Here's my ROTJ list...(added bigbarada's skiff guards at the bottom)

large mouse droid
Imperial - grey uniform
Jabba entry guard (The "eye" droid)
Human (black guy - Jabba's Palace)
Rodian (Jabba's Palace)
Mosep
Woman with red hair (Jabba's Palace)
Frog guy (outside Jabba's palace)
Jedi Luke - hood up/no glove no
Han as Jabba's prisoner
Luke as Jabaa's prisoner
snaggletooth
R2 with zapper
Luke in X-Wing gear with glove
Imperial officer - grey with black hats
Imperial dignitary - The one guy left (there was 4 dignataries) with the baby bottle hat
Imperial officer - white with black hats no
R2 with welder
Red R3
White R5
Rebel tech (brown uniform)
Rebel tech with trooper helmet
Han on spit
Luke on spit
Chewie on spit
ewok villager
R2 with zapper
Luke in binders
General Lando - no cape
Wedge
Green leader
R2 with data arm
Red 2 pilot
Emperor's Wrath Luke (shirt flap up)
Luke with shirt flap down
Emperor's Wrath Luke with shirt flap down
Red R2 unit
X wing pilot (who dies inside DS)
"I copy gold leader" A-Wing pilot
Funeral pyre Vader

Kithaba
Velken Tezeri
Vedain
Giran (Klaatu guard - may also be named Weeba Weeba)
Human Skiff Guard #1
Human Skiff Guard #2
Human Skiff Guard #3

Droid
01-26-2008, 10:26 AM
For Episode II please add the clergyman who married Anakin and Padme

For Epiosde III please add birthing room Padme, funeral Padme, Owen, and Beru

For Episode IV, please add the Ranat (Cantina rat), Bariss Keeg (the other Duros), Trinto Duaba, Rycar Ryjerd (midget), and Garouf Lafoe (snitch to Sandtroopers)

For Episode V please add Captain Needa

Before voting starts we should provide names where possible, alien species if possible, and a brief description of the character (i.e. shot Luke on the Sail Barge).

Mad Slanted Powers
01-26-2008, 12:10 PM
In regards to Tycho's suggestion to alternate between PT and OT, that was my plan. I'll start with ANH, then go to TPM, ESB, AOTC, ROTJ and ROTS.

I did notice that there were some figures on Tycho's list that had been made before, but as mentioned, they were poorly executed and really should be redone. This is especially the case with some of the POTF2 and Saga figures, the former being He-Man figures without the articulation of today's figures, the latter being pre-posed statues with limited articulation. I guess I can encourage people to not vote for resculpts unless they fit in such a category. That way, if enough people truly think we need a resculpt, then it might make the list.

Perhaps I will go through your lists and look them up on the the Star Wars wiki to get proper names and perhaps link to them. I'll work on that tonight. We don't need a complete list of choices. We should encourage people to come up with their own by rewatching the movies, or looking them up on Wookieepedia or the Star Wars databank.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 12:26 PM
Yeah. I like and would buy some of Pegger's suggestions, but he'll get the chance to add them to HIS list when he votes in the actual poll,** and if enough people see those suggestions and want a piece of that, those "new" characters will win.

That being said, as long as we have Pegger and Droid's suggestions, we shoud add them to our "inspiration lists" at the start of each poll as more people than just those two, including myself, might want to vote for some of them.

Battle Droid
01-26-2008, 12:56 PM
These need to be added to the list,

TPM

Mik Regrap - Lott Dod's Diplomat.
Lott Dod's Financial Officer.

AOTC

Rogwa Wodrata
Denaria Kee
Shu Mai's aide.

ROTS

Denaria Kee
Rute Gunnay (I think you're listing Lott Dod as him, Dod isn't in the movie.)
Po Nudo's aide (Shi'ido changeling in Aqualish disguise.)

JediTricks
01-26-2008, 05:45 PM
Yeah, seeing that list, scene-by-scene would totally skew the voting on those with small numbers of figures to be made per scene, and it'd slow the whole thing down.

Pegger's lists do make it a little more difficult, but maybe it should be "your top 10 from this group of 40" and we make it a mix of all 6 films per poll. With Tycho's list, that'd be around 5 polls (the numbers need a little tweaking) and you'd end up with each user's top 50 choices without bias by film or by scene. The results can be listed by tier instead of direct ranking, that way the top-vote-getters all go in the top tier at the beginning of the list we give Hasbro, but we don't need to go "this is the most-requested, this is the second-most-requested".

I suspect people may want to do more than top 10s from a list of 40 (I don't think people will want to choose from more than 40, definitely not more than 50) so you could have top 15 or top 20, but I wouldn't go with ordered lists over 20 per poll as it'd drive away potential voters.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 08:44 PM
JT, you confused me by trying to change stuff to much. I say let MSP do his thing.

He's got it together.

We also don't need to mix movies up right now - we will later. Let's just concentrate on figuring the most-wanted from each film separately for the moment. Then we'll have that data.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-26-2008, 08:47 PM
*EDIT* - I wrote this post before Tycho's, so I was responding more to JT. Tycho pretty much echoes what I'm saying here. *end EDIT*

Well, now it sounds like you want to go more towards the idea that people thought would be too many polls. That is what we wanted to do in the first place because it would mean people wouldn't have to submit a huge ranked list. If you break each movie down into more polls, then it will take longer and that was the other complaint.

Now, looking at your suggestion, I guess it isn't more polls, but you suggest perhaps 5 polls of 40 figures mixed from various movies. However, this limits us to the figures on the list, while there might be other figures people want to vote for. If we aren't going by movie or scene, which poll does someone write in the candidate? Plus, six polls will mean fewer to choose from per poll than if we have just five polls.

These lists are just meant to be a guide to jog people's memory. If you think 25 is too many to choose and rank, we can lower it to 20. I don't think we should go lower than that because some of the movies still have a lot of figures people might be interested in. A person doesn't have to submit a full list of 25. That is just the maximum.

I took Tycho's and pegger's lists and combined them and linked to Wookieepedia the ones I could find. I mostly used the A New Hope (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_New_Hope) page. Feel free to post any more links or info on the ones I didn't find.

Baniss Keeg/Chachi de Maal (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baniss_Keeg) - 2nd Duros in Cantina
Arleil Schous (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arleil_Schous) - The Defel from the Cantina
General Bob Hudsol (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bob_Hudsol) - The bald guy seen in the Rebel briefing room
Boelo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boelo) - Jabba bodyguard - tall human
Bom Vimdim (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bom_Vimdin) - Advoze Cantina alien
Brainiac (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brainiac) - Cantina alien whose brain you can see
Brindy Truchong (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brindy_Truchong) - Tatooine Female Civilian (human)
CZ-3 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CZ-3) - Similar to CZ-4, wandering the streets of Mos Eisley
Davish "Pops" Krail (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Davish_Krail) - Gold 5
Del Goren (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Del_Goren) - Rebel on Yavin - "We've picked up a new group of signals. Enemy fighters coming your way."
Dice Ebegon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dice_Ibegon) - the Lamproid from the Cantina
Commander Evram Lajaie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Evram_Lajaie) - Another bald guy seen in Rebell briefing room
Red Leader Garven Dreis (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garven_Dreis) - (completely resculpted, removeable helmet)
Red Leader's astromech (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garven_Dreis%27s_Astromech) - R5 droid red and black stripes
Hrcheck Kal Fas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hrchek_Kal_Fas) - Saurin from Cantina
John D. Branon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/John_%22D%22) - Red 4 "I'm hit" X wing guy
Brea Tonnika/Shada D'ukal (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shada_D%27ukal) - One of the space girls from the Cantina
Senni Tonnika/Karoly D'ulin (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karoly_D%27ulin) - One of the space girls from the Cantina
Leesub Sirln (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leesub_Sirln)
M-HYD "Binary" droid (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/M-HYD_6804) - one of the droids on the sandcrawler
Mosep Binneed (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mosep_Binneed) -
Pello Scrambas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pello_Scrambas) - Old Rebel Fleet Trooper on Tantive IV
R5-A2 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R5-A2) - Yellow/Orange R5 in Mos Eisley
Reegesk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Reegesk) - Rat-like Ranat from Cantina
Rycar Ryrad (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rycar_Ryjerd) - The Midget, in Cantina
Sai'torr Kal Fas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sai%27torr_Kal_Fas) - Saurin from Cantina
Solomahal (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Solomahal)
Swilla Corey (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Swilla_Corey)
Theron Nett (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Theron_Nett) - Red 10 pilot - "too much interference"
Tiree (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tiree_%28Gold_Squadron%29) - Gold 2
Trinto Duaba (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trinto_Duaba)
Tzizvvt (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tzizvvt) - Cantina Brizzit fly alien
U-3P0 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/U-3PO) - On Tantive IV, looks like C-3PO
Jabba bodyguard - fat, bearded human (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Henchman) - Name unknown
Green R2 (seen on Yavin) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_R2_unit_%28Yavin%29)
Blue R3 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_Death_Star_I_R3_Unit) - Unnamed R3 unit (roaming the DS halls)
Commander Vanden Willard (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vanden_Willard) - Yavin Rebel who greets Leia
WED-15-ST68 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WED-15-ST68) - the white platform droid with the multiple arms sticking up from it (Jawa scenes) -
WED-9-M1 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WED-9-M1) - aka bantha droid, a treadwell droid with oblong blue head
Wioslea (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wioslea) - large cloaked alien who buys Luke's landspeeder
Yerka Mig (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yerka_Mig) - Human Cantina patron
a moisture farmer (background human male with hat and typical Tatooine garb) -
all white R2 unit (seen in attack on DS - on the x-wing's)
Bald Imperial in DS breifing room
Blown up R2-D2
Chess Pieces x 8
Crispy Beru
Crispy Owen
Dead jawa
Guy in yellow space suit (in the bar)
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise carded
Han Solo Yavin Ceremony -
Human Female Bar patron
Human Male bar patron
Imperial Officer (Grey tunic, black pants, black hat)
Imperial Officer (grey uniform)
Imperial Officer (officer's tunic, as the 3 figures we have wear a jumpsuit) -
Imperial Officer (white uniform)
Leia in dirty clothes (post compactor)
Pilot Chewie
R2-D2 Ion shot
R2-D2 with data arm
R2-D2 with fire extinguisher
Rebel - grey uniform
Rebel brown uniform with hat
Rebel dispactcher – see Del Goren?
Rebel Flight Deck Crewman Yavin Base
Spacetrooper (seen when Falcon is tractored in)
Tatooine Male Civilian (human)
Uncle Owen (resculpted and carded) -
Wedge's R2
White R5 (seen in briefing room)

Plus these that I added
Gela Yeens (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gela_Yeens) - Jabba's henchman, mustache, goggles on head
Lieutenant Tanbris (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tanbris) - Imperial Officer - "We count 30 ships Lord Vader."
Pol Treidum (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pol_Treidum) - Imperial Officer - "TK-421, why aren't you at your post?"
Commander Praji (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nahdonnis_Praji) - Imperial Officer - "An escape pod was jettisoned during the fighting, but no life forms were aboard."
Lt. Shann Childsen (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shann_Childsen) Imperial Officer - "Where are you taking this 'thing'?"
Lieutenant Hija (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hija) - Imperial Officer - "There goes another one"
Captain Bolvan (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bolvan) - Imperial Officer - "Hold your fire. There's no life forms"
Daine Jir (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daine_Jir) - Imperial Officer - "Holding her is dangerous"
Khurgee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Khurgee) - Imperial Officer - "I want every part of this ship checked"
CZ-1 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CZ-1) - CZ droid on sandcrawler
Debnoli (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Debnoli) - a human male in the Cantina
Danz Borin (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Danz_Borin) - Spacer in Cantina, white suit with helmet on
Garouf Lafoe (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garouf_Lafoe) - Mos Eisley human snitch
Melas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Melas) - Sarkin Cantina patron (reverse of Ketwol's head)

JediTricks
01-26-2008, 09:55 PM
How is 5 polls more than 6 movie polls plus multiple rounds of ordering? You just say "list your top 15 from this list of 40" in 5 groups and boom, there ya go. All one has to do is compile the votes together and the most popular will float to the top giving you your top 50 with room to spare. It's not hard for the voter because it's short and simple and has a direct, finite end point. And it's not too hard for the compiler because each list is in bite sized pieces. (Of course, when you start adding set decor and characters that were off to the side and blurry it gets more complicated.)

I think doing it movie-by-movie is going to be unwise in 2 ways: A) something like the prequels with more options is going to get only the same number of top figures as an OT movie with less choices; and B) it's going to lend an unfair bias to unpopular movies by giving them the same weight as popular ones.

Let me ask you, once you have your compiled list from each movie, then what? How are you going to determine fairly what the final pooled results are? More rounds of ordering?


If we aren't going by movie or scene, which poll does someone write in the candidate?Take suggestions in the first 2 polls only, then include them in the last 3 polls if warranted. I mean, for goodness' sake, you think there's gonna be write-ins after including such stars as "another bald guy seen in Rebel briefing room"? :p

Do whatever you want, but I think there's little chance the majority of voters are gonna want to wade through 100+ "who the hell was that" characters, pick out their favorite 20-25, and then ORDER that list! The only participation you'll get will be hardcore diehards, hardly an accurate cross-section of buyers, and that lowers the accuracy of the poll, rendering it easily dismissed. And once again, I'll point out that it's unfair to voters who don't enter everything unless you place specific values - either hard numbers or diminishing percentages - on vote slots (which is very complex) because anybody who votes for 10 figs will have their votes count only at the bottom end of voting compared to someone who votes for 25 and gets more votes counted.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
I will just say that Pablo-Jill wasn't in the Jedi Council in ROTS; that was Coleman Kcaj, who is of the same species. Also, you misspelled "Daultay Dofine" as "Dauldry Dofine," though I guess that these sorts of errors can be addressed as time goes on.

These lists seem pretty daunting, and I'm frankly not sure what can be put on this list and what cannot - for instance, there WAS a Qui-Gon Jinn with a plastic Mos Espa poncho, though he was in an action pose, with Darth Maul and Anakin in a cinema scene in 1999, so I don't quite understand the criteria. And this list would go too far, I think, if it included every figure who had soft goods to be redone in hard plastic and vice versa.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 10:26 PM
JT, let the voters decide which movies were the most "popular."

Furthermore, that doesn't matter as much when you look at character design and what would make for interesting figures. I know for example that ESB is revered more than ROTS, but a correctly scaled General Grievous figure would be more popular than Torryn Far.

But what the heck is behind the fire to rush out these polls JT? Do you want to take a list to Hasbro at Toy Fair? How about Comic Con 2008 (this year)?

Let's say it gets there at the end of July, this year. They're doing the planning and execution of the 2009 figures now.

If they got a list from us, Hasbro could work with it for 2010's figures. But since they already have our 2004-05 results (my former poll and Kidhuman's), overlapping results from then and now (like Yarna, Torryn, and Beru) could be accomplished by then, independent of whether we vote them ranking on another poll.

What is the use for this process while we have an incomplete list out there?

This process is for our entertainment. I don't care if it goes on for a whole year with multiple polls where we discuss the scene-by-scene merits of new figures.

I can instead start threads on:

picking my nose
wiping my ***
comparing brands and flavors of cough syrup
Lou Dobbs interviewing a milkshake blender
where to best locate an animatronic Michael Bay
when Miley Cyrus will follow Lindsey Lohan off the celebrity deep end

And other great threads of interest to keep me from being bored here.

Or (novel concept) we can spend a month talking about the merits of having an Ice Cream Maker Guy action figure on a Star Wars action figure website.
(I would probably make a preliminary call on the poll results after the typical 20 votes these things generate anyway).

And the "hardcore" are the only ones left who care. Newbies don't have Han Solo in Endor Gear yet, and they usually aren't diorama-guys who have been here since 1995 and want something Hasbro hasn't ever made before - like Yarna.

Anyway, your pressure to have this polling process go by too quickly has inspired me to start a thread about foods one can eat if they desire the production of the most intestinal gas (in other words, farting for power!) - in the general discussion section shortly. Thanks JT - I get bored and need to look for more ways to entertain myself around here.

How about a thread where we post pictures of things we've gotten stuck in our teeth. Oh nevermind. We really can't do that one around here, can we?

pegger
01-26-2008, 10:54 PM
Adding a link:

Bald Imperial in DS breifing room (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star_conference_room)
Just scroll down....

Yup - that's the guy Rebel dispactcher – see Del Goren

Some better descriptions:

Guy in yellow space suit (in the bar) - looks like's Bossk's suit - you can see him clearly in the first pan of the bar.


White R5 (seen in briefing room) - When luke is talking about "bulleyeing Wamp Rats - you can see the R5 ober his shoulder...)

Mad Slanted Powers
01-27-2008, 12:20 AM
How is 5 polls more than 6 movie polls plus multiple rounds of ordering? You just say "list your top 15 from this list of 40" in 5 groups and boom, there ya go.I did note that five polls was fewer than six polls. I also noted that six polls means less figures to wade through per poll. It sounds like you have no plans for any polls after the first five. How do we determine which figures to take from each poll? That has been your worry about the way I am doing it, however that isn't an issue in my method. Phase I is just to order the figures for each movie. Phase II allows the movies to compete against each other. Thus, the movie with more desired figures will get more.


I think doing it movie-by-movie is going to be unwise in 2 ways: A) something like the prequels with more options is going to get only the same number of top figures as an OT movie with less choices; and B) it's going to lend an unfair bias to unpopular movies by giving them the same weight as popular ones.It doesn't give them the same weight, it just gives them the same opportunity. If the figures are not desired, then more figures from other movies will rank higher.


Let me ask you, once you have your compiled list from each movie, then what? How are you going to determine fairly what the final pooled results are? More rounds of ordering?See my explanation in post #84 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=589869&postcount=84), post #86 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=589945&postcount=86), and post #91 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=590281&postcount=91).

I'll sum those posts up by saying that the top 5 from each movie plus the EU get pooled together and people get to vote for their top 5. The top five make our list. That process is repeated indefinitely with the top five that remain from each movie. If a figure wasn't good enough to make the top five for it's movie or EU poll, then it isn't good enough to make the top five overall. If people overwhelmingly want ANH figures over prequel figures, more of those will make the poll. It is possible that the top five in the first round could all be ANH figures. That means in the second round the ANH 6th through 10th place figures will then be competing against the top five from the other movies. The example I provided in post #91 was more balanced than that.


And once again, I'll point out that it's unfair to voters who don't enter everything unless you place specific values - either hard numbers or diminishing percentages - on vote slots (which is very complex) because anybody who votes for 10 figs will have their votes count only at the bottom end of voting compared to someone who votes for 25 and gets more votes counted.
I don't see how that is the case. First place is worth 25 points whether your list has 25 figures or just 1.

Don't let yourself get confused by the process or the math. I'm the math major here so I look forward to tallying the numbers. I was looking through Tycho's previous scene-by-scene poll, and that went on for quite a while with a fair amount of people participating. There also didn't seem to be a definite plan in place on how to proceed at the beginning. That was discussed at the end of each movie as to how to have a runoff. With this poll, there is a set plan in place that will be clearly described at the start of the poll. All the voters need to worry about is submitting a ranked list for each movie. In phase 2 they only need to pick 5 from 35.

You may be right that only the hard-core will bother to submit a ranked list of 25. That's fine. Phase 1 is just the ordering process. As you pointed out, there are plenty of obscure characters on the list. The most wanted figures will rise to the top whether we get 20 voters or 100. We've had over 30 voters submit lists of up to 50 figures in the EU poll, and that has tons more to choose from. Phase 2 will be easier for people to vote for, and hopefully that will attract more votes.

I think I will go ahead and start the thread tomorrow. I want to clean up that list a bit. I will allow re-sculpts to be nominated, but will try to discourage that by pointing out a few things. Core characters are likely to be redone again. Most minor characters are good enough as is because blink and you miss them characters don't need to be SA. I think good examples of figures that do need to be re-sculpted would be: Dr. Evazan because he hasn't been carded and previous versions are universally disliked; Red Leader, because he was just a pack in that was pretty generic looking; and Bariss Offee, because she was an extreme posed statue. I suppose if enough people voted for DS2 Luke, that would have to make the list as well since to many, that still is a yet to be made figure.

pegger
01-27-2008, 12:51 PM
The all white R2 unit I have listed is an error - I re-read my chicken scratch notes, and watched the movie at the spot where he's supposed to be - and it's the white R5. I must have read my notes wrong. Please delete him.

I will see if I can find more links to the figures I named...

JediTricks
01-27-2008, 05:07 PM
JT, let the voters decide which movies were the most "popular."They can't, the system you guys are doing - movie by movie - will keep that from happening. You'll simply have the top X figures from each movie, that's the exact opposite of what you're suggesting.


Furthermore, that doesn't matter as much when you look at character design and what would make for interesting figures. I know for example that ESB is revered more than ROTS, but a correctly scaled General Grievous figure would be more popular than Torryn Far.That was my other point, doing it movie-by-movie will limit entries from movies that have more to offer to exactly the same as the movie with the least to offer, which seems biased.


But what the heck is behind the fire to rush out these polls JT? Do you want to take a list to Hasbro at Toy Fair? How about Comic Con 2008 (this year)?What is your rush to sit on your hands and do nothing? The longer we wait, the less momentum there will be. You're talking about doing a poll a month, well SDCC is now less than 6 months away and there are 6 movies.


This process is for our entertainment. I don't care if it goes on for a whole year with multiple polls where we discuss the scene-by-scene merits of new figures.

I can instead start threads on:

picking my nose
wiping my ***
comparing brands and flavors of cough syrup
Lou Dobbs interviewing a milkshake blender
where to best locate an animatronic Michael Bay
when Miley Cyrus will follow Lindsey Lohan off the celebrity deep end

And other great threads of interest to keep me from being bored here.Well, your garbage threads like that are driving away people in droves, I've had multiple complaints and I've seen it in action, so the more you do that, the less users there will be around here to participate in your poll. You're going to make them just as ignorable as everything else you post.


Anyway, your pressure to have this polling process go by too quickly has inspired me to start a thread about foods one can eat if they desire the production of the most intestinal gas (in other words, farting for power!) - in the general discussion section shortly. Thanks JT - I get bored and need to look for more ways to entertain myself around here.I've decided I'm going to start suspending you for that, for the good of the group.



It sounds like you have no plans for any polls after the first five. How do we determine which figures to take from each poll? The top vote-getters, it's pretty straightforward.


That has been your worry about the way I am doing it, however that isn't an issue in my method. Phase I is just to order the figures for each movie. Phase II allows the movies to compete against each other. Thus, the movie with more desired figures will get more.

It doesn't give them the same weight, it just gives them the same opportunity. If the figures are not desired, then more figures from other movies will rank higher.

See my explanation in post #84 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=589869&postcount=84), post #86 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=589945&postcount=86), and post #91 (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=590281&postcount=91).Yes, I remember, I don't think many people are going to want to stick with it through multiple polls of the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. I suspect that system is too convoluted for the majority of those who might be interested in actually participating in a "everything that's left" poll.


I don't see how that is the case. First place is worth 25 points whether your list has 25 figures or just 1.That's why I said "unless you place specific values", and I still say that type of thing is incredibly convoluted, difficult to keep track of. Plus, tallying each vote by points means that someone who enters a top 10 only will get a total of 205 points, while someone who participates fully gets 325 points which is quite a bit more weight to their choices.


Well, let's see how it goes...

Mad Slanted Powers
01-27-2008, 06:21 PM
They can't, the system you guys are doing - movie by movie - will keep that from happening. You'll simply have the top X figures from each movie, that's the exact opposite of what you're suggesting.


The top vote-getters, it's pretty straightforward.

It seems your method is doing the same thing you think our version is doing.
How is taking the top vote getters in your idea going to work without further polls after that? If you take the top 10 from 5 polls, you still have the possibility that #11 in poll 1 is actually more wanted than many figures from the other 4 polls.

My poll isn't just taking the same number from each poll. Yes, we take the same number to vote on in each round of phase 2, but that is no guarantee that the same number from each movie will make it.

From what I saw of the scene-by-scene poll, it was a thread with a lot of repetitive voting which went on for quite a while, but it was a popular thread with a solid group of people voting.

Anyway, I just posted the thread - Most Wanted New Figure Poll - Phase 1, Part 1 - A New Hope (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37107). At this point I intend to start a new thread for each movie, and then a single thread for Phase 2 when we get there.

JediTricks
01-27-2008, 06:35 PM
It seems your method is doing the same thing you think our version is doing.No, my method was blending all the movies together in each poll from the get-go, thus avoiding these "phases" altogether.


How is taking the top vote getters in your idea going to work without further polls after that? If you take the top 10 from 5 polls, you still have the possibility that #11 in poll 1 is actually more wanted than many figures from the other 4 polls.Tiers. It doesn't really matter to me which figure is #17 on the list, only if it's gotten enough percentage to say it's worth X to the people while another is worth Y. That Wizard/Toy Fare Fan's Choice poll that got us Darth Revan, after the top 10 all the votes were 3% or less, so who gives a fart if Jedi Master Nobody got 0.8% while Darth Whocares got 0.7%? They're in the top 50 but near the bottom, tada.


My poll isn't just taking the same number from each poll. Yes, we take the same number to vote on in each round of phase 2, but that is no guarantee that the same number from each movie will make it.Uhhhh, what?


Question: Should we bother putting the Tonnikas on this (as they already are)? We know Hasbro absolutely will not do them, they cannot make them, there is some legal issue at play.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-27-2008, 06:52 PM
Uhhhh, what?Clearly you haven't a clue as to how my method works.


Question: Should we bother putting the Tonnikas on this (as they already are)? We know Hasbro absolutely will not do them, they cannot make them, there is some legal issue at play.Legal issues could get resolved at some point. If we continue to vote for them, they might be motivated to try to resolve it. We can continue phase 2 indefinitely if we wanted to rank every figure that got a vote. So, if the Tonnikas go 1-2, Hasbro can just ignore them and consider #3-#52 as our top 50.

JediTricks
01-27-2008, 07:01 PM
Clearly you haven't a clue as to how my method works.That would be a failure on your part to explain. You don't have to get snippy with me, especially since I'm the one you are going to be leaning on for editing the thread after 24 hours to add new write-ins, and for the news support.

And actually, I do understand, as I said many many posts ago that we'd be skimming off the top over and over and over, I said I didn't like that idea but I did understand it. My "what?" was for the fact that you said "My poll isn't just taking the same number from each poll. Yes, we take the same number to vote on in each round of phase 2..." which is contradictory by itself, it looks funny to say "we won't do this, and then we go and do this."


Legal issues could get resolved at some point. If we continue to vote for them, they might be motivated to try to resolve it. We can continue phase 2 indefinitely if we wanted to rank every figure that got a vote. So, if the Tonnikas go 1-2, Hasbro can just ignore them and consider #3-#52 as our top 50."At some point" is a waste of my vote, I can't hope Hasbro will do what you say when previous results have shown that they simply invalidate entries and ignore the next rightful heirs to the spot (ToyFare Fans Choice poll was this way, it was really a top 7 list; and the Saga Legends Fans Choice poll was this way). While I've always said I've wanted them, they're not on my list. It's not up to Hasbro to resolve this issue, they understand the demand but cannot do anything about it, it's a Lucasfilm matter and some fanboys with a list of figures isn't going to make an impact on LFL's legal battles.

El Chuxter
01-27-2008, 07:01 PM
Whether Hasbro can or cannot make them shouldn't affect how much fans want them.

Tycho
01-27-2008, 07:01 PM
Well, your garbage threads like that are driving away people in droves, I've had multiple complaints and I've seen it in action, so the more you do that, the less users there will be around here to participate in your poll. You're going to make them just as ignorable as everything else you post

They post the exact same type of things at vynsane that are just as stupid only they hide behind different screen names and avatars over there. So hypocritical.

I see no point in reassembling a group that exists here, elsewhere, when everyone already posts under a screen name here.

But I know who the complainers are and they're hypocrites in the extreme.


I've decided I'm going to start suspending you for that, for the good of the group.

I think you should read what they post about you before you do something for "their good." In the meanwhile, I'm not breaking any rules here with my posts that get either stupid or creative because I get bored, so go ahead and be hypocritical about that, JT. Whatever. I wish you could sniff something and see the light.

In any case, I ask again, why does the regular group here have to have a secret site to post crap under further anonymous screen names. "Tycho" is not my real name - or did people forget?

Anyway, maybe you should let MSP run the poll or take over the process yourself - then we can all complain to you when we find something to nitpick with it. That is exactly the reason why I don't want to run this one. God forbid I have a spelling error with some crazy SW name from a cantina character I still hadn't noticed in 30 years.

MSP has put forth such a great effort to do this right that I can't speak for Kidhuman, but I myself am in awe and commend him for his effort! :thumbsup:

Mad Slanted Powers
01-27-2008, 07:14 PM
That would be a failure on your part to explain. You don't have to get snippy with me, especially since I'm the one you are going to be leaning on for editing the thread after 24 hours to add new write-ins, and for the news support. I wasn't trying to be snippy. I just didn't see how skimming the top of the movie lists is different from skimming the top of mixed lists. It seems that your idea would still need my phase 2 process, because it could be that a figure from group 1 that doesn't make the cut could be more desired than many figures that made the cut from other groups. Perhaps I am not understanding your idea. Either way, it might be a little easier for voters to focus on one movie at a time in phase 1. Also, I won't have to decide how to rearrange the figures into mixed groups.

JediTricks
01-27-2008, 07:16 PM
Whether Hasbro can or cannot make them shouldn't affect how much fans want them.Hey, if you want another Darth Revan situation on your hands, be my guest, but we both know how annoyed you were at that.


They post the exact same type of things at vynsane that are just as stupid only they hide behind different screen names and avatars over there. So hypocritical.What does Vyn's site have to do with what I said? Nothing.


But I know who the complainers are and they're hypocrites in the extreme.No, you don't, because they're not from Vyn's site, hell, some are from before Vyn started his forums.


I think you should read what they post about you before you do something for "their good." In the meanwhile, I'm not breaking any rules here with my posts that get either stupid or creative because I get bored, so go ahead and be hypocritical about that, JT. Whatever. I wish you could sniff something and see the light.You're the one who keeps pointing out that "this is a business", if you are just loitering and scrawling graffiti everywhere, what do you expect?


Anyway, maybe you should let MSP run the poll or take over the process yourself - then we can all complain to you when we find something to nitpick with it. That is exactly the reason why I don't want to run this one. God forbid I have a spelling error with some crazy SW name from a cantina character I still hadn't noticed in 30 years.I am letting him do it, I was making SUGGESTIONS, trying to be CONSTRUCTIVE, giving advice from my experiences getting forumites to post in polls on this site.

pegger
01-27-2008, 07:28 PM
Wow...Why am I flashing back to my childhood....

Tycho
01-27-2008, 07:36 PM
You're the one who keeps pointing out that "this is a business", if you are just loitering and scrawling graffiti everywhere, what do you expect?


I'm not sure I understood that comment "this is a business." Please explain or PM me.

My guess is that you meant SSG is a business? I'd agree with that. Part of its business is being a playground for all of us though - the appromimately 30-year old who still plays with ages 4&up Toys and wants a place to be fully immature.

If someone wants me to play elsewhere, maybe the buddies over at Vyn will unlock the "False-Tycho-Profile" for me and give me the password and I'll finally acquiesce and move my insanity for the good of Steve's business.

But you remember "displacement" - the term for misdirected anger in pyshcology 101? There remains the possibility that someone could be tired or frustrated with challenges or maintaining interest in SW and decide that they are quitting just "because of my dreams posts." That makes sense I'm sure when my threads or my posts can be ignored - not that I haven't toned it back in light of other things I've found to do - like analyze the political candidate's policy proposals which is taking an awful long time and a lot of effort (in the Rancor Pit).

But anyway, I see a lot of hypocrisy and point it out. People seem to hate that. I find it fascinating. I'm not sure why. In real life I'd tend to be anti-social and not want to deal with a lot of folks and their idiosyncracies that they can't see and don't understand anyway. I guess on message boards I can deal with them at specific times when I want to log-on. In smaller doeses I can take it. Then I guess it is fascinating.

JediTricks
01-27-2008, 08:09 PM
Wow...Why am I flashing back to my childhood....
You had a boring job as a child compiling data?

:p

Tycho just asked me in PM why this has to be ready for this year's SDCC, and I suppose it doesn't, but let me make my argument for it being so here and now...

"Why not now?"

Yes, Hasbro has the license for another decade, but every day these figures don't get made is another day we don't have them, and like the toy industry itself, the line is waning to a degree, we cannot count on it to always be there. We are getting older, more and more collectors are leaving every day, and with Lucas adding new TV shows, there will be even more product to crowd out the figures currently on our list. If we submit this list by July of '08, the soonest we can expect to see those figures if we change Hasbro's mind on them is January of 2010, that is already a long time to wait. If we put off giving Hasbro the list until July of '09, we won't see those figures till 2011 - I cannot fathom what I'll be doing in 2011.

Moreover, I have always found that momentum is the best way to make projects like this shine their brightest. The more momentum you have, the more excited voters get at the prospect of their opinions actually counting for something they might have in their hands "soon" (soon in the larger scale of things). The longer you wait, the more you ablate your voters who just forget or lose interest or drop out entirely. The next 6 months is going to be an ample time to get a project like this done without the interference of a new big project like the Clone Wars cartoon.

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BTW Tycho, I'm not actively ignoring your last post, I'm just passively doing so. :p I had the above post written up and waiting for me to click 'submit' for almost an hour before I realized I hadn't.

JediTricks
01-28-2008, 03:57 PM
MSP, I feel strongly that write-ins should be added to the poll choices as they come in, I cannot think of a reason to keep figures off. We had write-ins here and they're on the thread, but not that. I'll add them if you wish, or not, it's your thing so you decide.


Also, as Tycho already knows, I feel incredibly strongly about not posting the running poll results, they can do their own math if they like but the official results should be held till the end. It sways votes from what they want to what they think will win - if you feel the Tonnikas should stay for the integrity of showing what fans truly want, then this is in that same vein. I hate that "Survivor" mentality with these things.

Tycho
01-28-2008, 04:05 PM
JT, write-ins are totally allowed as far as I know. MSP just has a list up there to jog people's memory. Star Wars was the movie with that guy in black armor being followed around by lots of guys in white armor. And then these other two guys put on that armor and shot stuff, things blew up here and there. Yeah. It was like that. So we made this list to help guys remember.

As far as JT's other suggestion goes, it has some merit. You know the Presidential Primaries get screwed every 4 years by that system of staggered voting and reporting. Perhaps someone like Joe Biden had some more ideas and points worthy of discussion, but if he doesn't get momentum in 2 states (out of 48) he's gone. That is also a function of a candidate's money, so it's not a great comparison to make with a Star Wars figure poll, but it was the first thing that came to mind. But yes, WITH THIS POINT, JediTricks has a point. But I don't mind either way. I think there are still so few votes in that it isn't confounding the ANH poll to have some early "exit poll" results. So I'm all for letting MSP being let to run the poll however he feels it's best to.

JediTricks
01-28-2008, 05:16 PM
At this point, MSP hasn't said he's going to add them to the list, or ask a mod to help him with that after 24 hours, so I'm making my case for doing so.


The voting is public, if you wanted to tally it up you could figure out the results on your own, but I just don't think they need to be posted in the thread.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-28-2008, 07:33 PM
I think my 24 hours is probably up. I haven't checked that thread yet. So go ahead and add them to the list, except for maybe that Ronald Reagan X-Wing pilot. I'm not sure who is being referred to, so I might just drop that vote or give it to John D. since he looks a bit like Reagan as he is blowing up.

I can refrain from posting the results again. That is no problem. I just figured it was the easiest way at that point to show the write-ins without going back and editing the original post.

JediTricks
01-28-2008, 07:58 PM
I think my 24 hours is probably up. I haven't checked that thread yet. So go ahead and add them to the list, except for maybe that Ronald Reagan X-Wing pilot. I'm not sure who is being referred to, so I might just drop that vote or give it to John D. since he looks a bit like Reagan as he is blowing up.

I can refrain from posting the results again. That is no problem. I just figured it was the easiest way at that point to show the write-ins without going back and editing the original post.That Ronald Reagan mention he made still totally eludes me, I have nary a clue.

Since it's your poll, LMK which specific write-ins you want added and what they should say.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-28-2008, 09:35 PM
Here is the list of write-ins so far. I turned off the parsing so you could more easily copy and paste the code for the links.

Cantina Band Member - new sculpt, SA, all five instruments and a stool.
Luke Skywalker - SA with removable stormtrooper belt, blaster and grappling hook
Princess Leia - SA with removable hood up/hood down pieces
Obi-Wan Kenobi - SA - must have knee articulation
Han Solo - with removable stormtroooper belt and blaster
Ponda Baba - SA resculpt with soft goods jacket
Het Nkik (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Het_Nkik) - Jawa from Cantina
Lirin Car'n (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lirin_Car%27n) - Bith not a member of Cantina band

If we decide to not distinguish between Hrchek Kal Fas & Sai'torr Kal Fas, you can just replace both of those with:

Hrchek Kal Fas/Sai'torr Kal Fas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saurin) - Saurins, reptilian cantina aliens.

Also, I meant to add a description to Mosep Binneed to indicate that he was depicted as Jabba the Hut in the comics.

I think I have decided to go ahead and stagger these a little bit closer. That way we can get a few more rounds of voting in Phase 2.

Here is my planned schedule:

ANH Poll - January 27 - February 24
TPM Poll - February 3 - March 2
ESB Poll - February 10 - March 9
AOTC Poll - February 17 - March 16
ROTJ Poll - February 24 - March 23
ROTS Poll - March 2 - March 30

I am going to be gone a week in May and a week in June. Both trips begin on Thursday and I return on Tuesday. So, if we start Phase 2 voting on a Wednesday, I'll be able to get everything tallied when I return without holding up the poll. If we start Phase 2 on April 2, and each round lasts a week, that gives us 15 full weeks before Comic-Con. That will allow us to generate a list of 75 figures.

Tycho
01-29-2008, 08:50 AM
MSP, I didn't look to see if I fed you a TPM list to start with or not, so I'll give you the one below. Some of the Senators and Podracers are from the E1 Visual Dictionary. They might have been filmed or CGI rendered for the movie, but they were never used in the final cut (or I can't see them). I don't think they're EU in the EU sense we typically think of, so I have them listed here. It was the intent to have them in Ep 1.

Radiant VII female captain
Radiant VII male co-pilot
Captain Dauldry Dofine (Niemoidian / Trade Federation)
Commander Tey How (Niemoidian / Trade Federation)
Qui-Gon Jinn (molded cloak, hood up) -
Nute Gunray Hologram -
Senator Palpatine Hologram
Battle Droid (blue-stripe / pilot droid)
Captain Panaka (softgoods, removeable hat)
Black Travel Queen (softgoods that can sit on Royal Starship Throne) -
Qui-Gon Jinn, Tatooine Poncho, molded plastic -
black Coruscant Guard (ethnic variation of the Senate Guard)
Chancellor Valorum, brown business suit from landing platform -
Queen Amidala, PreSenate (yellow gown from Palpatine's Office) -
Sei Teria, Asian woman, Supreme Chancellor Valorum's aide
Queen Amidala, Post Senate (black gown -Palpatine's office and Nute Gunray's arrest) -
Royal Handmaiden dark purple gown from Senate and Post Senate scenes -
Queen Amidala Return to Naboo (purple travel gown also worn at Qui-Gon's funeral)
Wald (little Rodian) -
Kitster (Anakin's friend) -
Ann or Tan Gella (blue Twi'lek girls massaging Sebulba) -
Ben Quadrinaros
Mohawnic
Rats Tyrell (podracer - was killed during the Boonta Classic, had wife, kids) -
Wan Sandage (podracer - looks like a green fox or close to it) -
Aldar Beedo (podracer - looks like a green reptilian ant-eater with sharp teeth)
Bolls Rohr (podracer - looks like the Tasmanian Devil) -
Old Jira (elder lady who's friend of Anakin's and who's bones are aching) - The Coruscant Taxi Driver (not exactly a Bothan, but looks similar) -
Edcel Bargan (from Roona I think)
Mot Not Rab
The Rodian Senator (long red cloak)
Ithorian Senator (Hammerhead in long white cloak)
E.T. Senator (probably Speilberg's property, but we can try) -
Bail Antilles (human from Alderaan, wearing white) -
Handmaiden (battledress, blonde - the most different you'd make her from Padme) -
Gungan Child -
Gungan Female -
black N-1 Pilot (Bravo 3) -
female N-1 Pilot (Bravo 2) -
black Naboo Security (we can't have armies of clones)
white Naboo Royal Guard
Federation Pick-up Droid (little white E.T. droid that cleans up after battles) -
Gungan Band Member (drum and trumpet included)

pegger
01-29-2008, 09:24 AM
I will try to rewatch TPM before the 3rd, and add my list of characters as well...

I'm gonna hate you when I have to rewatch AOTC.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-29-2008, 09:30 AM
Last night I was going through the lists you had submitted earlier. I'll post the list here tonight along with the additions I made. I too noticed that a lot of the senators didn't appear to be visible. Same thing with the podracers. I added several more of those to the list. I also added a few cameos by Ben Burtt, John Knoll and the Lucas girls.

Droid
01-29-2008, 10:28 AM
I can tell you now that I am going to vote for a Depa Billaba resculpt and an Even Piell resculpt where they can sit in their Jedi Council chairs.

El Chuxter
01-29-2008, 10:56 AM
I'd add the other Naboo Pilot (looks like Porkins, only not as large). And the ET's name is Senator Grebleips. (Spell it backwards for a not-so-subtle joke.)

Tycho
01-29-2008, 10:56 AM
I can tell you now that I am going to vote for a Depa Billaba resculpt and an Even Piell resculpt where they can sit in their Jedi Council chairs.

Those are actually good ideas. I was going to settle for them standing there in front of extra chairs I had for my diorama, but I guess I'd buy those resculpts if they made them.

Let's see: E1 Jedi Council

Yoda
Mace
Plo Koon
Ki Adi Mundi

Adi Gallia (speederbike Stass Allie can sit - does the switch matter?)
SaeSee Tiin (don't know if he can sit)
Eeth Koth (can't sit, but Agen Kolar can I think - does this matter?)
Yarael Poof

Oppo Rancisis
Depa Billaba (can't sit)
Yaddle
Even Piel (can't sit)

Anyway, I'm not sure everyone here has soft-goods and bending knees so they can sit - or if it matters.

In my diorama, I'm going to have some Jedi Masters leaping out of their chairs screaming, "NO! Don't train him! He's going to become Darth Vader!"

Tycho
01-29-2008, 10:57 AM
I'd add the other Naboo Pilot (looks like Porkins, only not as large). And the ET's name is Senator Grebleips. (Spell it backwards for a not-so-subtle joke.)

That was Lucasfilm's visual effects supervisor John Knoll.

Droid
01-29-2008, 02:19 PM
The Adi Gallia, SaeSee Tiin, Eeth Koth, Oppo Rancisis, Yaddle, and Yarael Poof from the Toys R Us packs can all sit in their chairs.

It was just Depa and Even that couldn't sit.

Tycho
01-29-2008, 03:50 PM
That's right. I bought some but not all the TRU Jedi Council packs. I bought multiples of ones that gave me characters for EU scenes or whatever, like Depa Billaba and Yaddle, but didn't mess with ones that offered no new characters.

I didn't like the figures that much either. The softgoods on them looked underwhelming (softgoods could have been done and designed to be way better - so it's not softgoods I'm against - it's just how Hasbro did these) AND to top it off, the Jedi did not have their dark brown outer robes which they still wore while lounging in the Council. I never bought enough Ep1 accessory packs to cover all of them. I must have gotten like 20 or so of those just to cover Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, so forget having extras.

JediTricks
01-29-2008, 04:24 PM
Here is the list of write-ins so far. I turned off the parsing so you could more easily copy and paste the code for the links.

Cantina Band Member - new sculpt, SA, all five instruments and a stool.
Luke Skywalker - SA with removable stormtrooper belt, blaster and grappling hook
Princess Leia - SA with removable hood up/hood down pieces
Obi-Wan Kenobi - SA - must have knee articulation
Han Solo - with removable stormtroooper belt and blaster
Ponda Baba - SA resculpt with soft goods jacket
Het Nkik (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Het_Nkik) - Jawa from Cantina
Lirin Car'n (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lirin_Car%27n) - Bith not a member of Cantina bandAdded. Next time, please LMK which sections you want the figs added to, I wasn't sure if you wanted Leia with the Rebels or Others. Also, with so many underlined links, I couldn't tell the section headers from the vote options, so I put each header as a larger size to distinguish them.

Also, don't worry about the parsing thing, the system copy-pastes very cleanly.


If we decide to not distinguish between Hrchek Kal Fas & Sai'torr Kal Fas, you can just replace both of those with:

Hrchek Kal Fas/Sai'torr Kal Fas (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saurin) - Saurins, reptilian cantina aliens.Wouldn't this be more work for you, taking out votes already cast for either of them? If not, LMK what you decide on that.


Also, I meant to add a description to Mosep Binneed to indicate that he was depicted as Jabba the Hut in the comics.Done.


I think I have decided to go ahead and stagger these a little bit closer. That way we can get a few more rounds of voting in Phase 2.

Here is my planned schedule:

ANH Poll - January 27 - February 24
TPM Poll - February 3 - March 2
ESB Poll - February 10 - March 9
AOTC Poll - February 17 - March 16
ROTJ Poll - February 24 - March 23
ROTS Poll - March 2 - March 30Looks good, and should help with momentum.

bigbarada
01-29-2008, 04:34 PM
I think JT has a point about the movie by movie dilema. I could pick one or two aliens that I really want from the Cantina, but I could easily rattle off a list of 10-15 Jabba's Palace aliens that I would want long before my #1 Cantina alien pick.

As far as ESB is concerned, aside from a couple of main character resculpts and a new Zuckuss and Dengar, I can't think of a single NMB (never made before) figure that I want from that entire film. Even then, my #15 Jabba's Palace pick would be a higher priority to me than my #1 and #2 ESB pick.

For me personally, my top 25 most wanted figures are strictly ROTJ figures, the top 15 of those being strictly Jabba's Palace/Skiff Guards. If I'm forced to give equal representation to every movie, then my list doesn't really reflect what I actually want.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-29-2008, 08:00 PM
Added. Next time, please LMK which sections you want the figs added to, I wasn't sure if you wanted Leia with the Rebels or Others. Also, with so many underlined links, I couldn't tell the section headers from the vote options, so I put each header as a larger size to distinguish them.

Also, don't worry about the parsing thing, the system copy-pastes very cleanly.Okay, thanks. I'll keep that in mind next time.


Wouldn't this be more work for you, taking out votes already cast for either of them? If not, LMK what you decide on that.Nah, there haven't been too many that voted for both yet. I've already updated them. Three have already provided their replacements, one passed and I'm waiting on one more. So, go ahead and combine them into one.


Looks good, and should help with momentum.Great. I hope to have a preliminary list finished tonight for TPM. I'll post it here for everyone's perusal.

Tycho
01-29-2008, 08:20 PM
BigBarada, the way this will sort out, you'll be able to vote your prefeference for ROTJ Jabba characters over ANH Cantina aliens, and anything else (ESB or Prequels). That's the next phase.

We're just determining which 25 figures from ROTJ (or in the current poll that's up, ANH) should be in the ranking poll in the first place.

With this style, if you have an obscure character, want a resculpt, or whatever else, you can nominate it to the list, and if it gets enough traction to be one of the top 25 characters from that movie, it will make the final voting rounds. If not, like Swiley Corey (spelling) then you probably won't see her in the poll at all - but you can't claim she didn't have a chance. We know that about everyone here finds Bom Vimdim more interesting.

I think you should understand this before TPM and AOTC polls because you don't like the PT and it will have 2 movies offered before ROTJ is polled for. In this way, you'll understand what a list of podracers means, and that it will take another round of voting to find out what they are really worth.

That's why the EU figures we voted for will be included in that competition too. If they aren't wanted more than movie figures, they won't be voted for.

MAD-SLANTED-POWERS, incidentally, how big of final winners do you think you'll do: Top 50 or Top 100?

We'll have 150 movie figures and 25 EU ones (to be fair, while we asked for folks' Top 50 because there are so many possibilities) we should only weigh EU as much as a single movie with 25 contestants IMO. Besides the Top 25 of the EU are fairly strong and consistently solidified in their positions now.

So there could be 175 figures in the final competition. How many to let rank? 50 has been the traditional number, and it would eliminate 71% of the less worthy choices, giving us a strong top 29% of all SW possibilities not yet made (or satisfactorily resculpted). We also have seen how long it takes Hasbro to do 50 requested figures as after 3 years from when Kidhuman and I did our original polls, we still have only half of those figures (not allowing for characters like Bom Vimdim that might show up at Toy Fair).

If we do a Top 100, we eliminate only 43% of the less demanded characters, and leave Hasbro with a very long "to-do list." I haven't decided where I stand yet, but I'm leaning towards a Top 50 only. I'd like to hear what others say and why they think it.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-29-2008, 08:32 PM
I'm not limiting each movie to 25. We will have rankings for each movie and the EU and we'll just keep taking them off the top. Based on the schedule I posted above, we will only have time to have a top 75 finalized by Comic-Con, but we can continue as long as people keep voting. That would be a good number because it would have plenty of extras in case we find out a bunch of them are announced then.

If someone is going to present this to Hasbro at Comic-Con, then I will try to write up something that shows our final list, the lists for each movie and EU, and an explanation of the process. I can also add some comments and observations.

Tycho
01-29-2008, 09:24 PM
I would think JediTricks would want to do it. He's been on top of Q&A and write-up reports on Hasbro at Conventions.

I would do it, but also consider El Chuxter, as he's a very neutral "character" in this process. Then again, if Kidhuman can make it out to Comic Con this year, he has some clout invested from the original process.

I posted the above while not sure if you yourself MSP, were planning on attending Comic Con. However, what you're doing now is far more important than the result presentation. You just don't want a blathering fan boy handing over the list while going on about Yarna or Aunt Beru, or sounding a little too dangerously unstable saying something like "I MUST have more Padme figures or I'll develop (a particular kind of) cancer!"

Probably all of us can do the presentation with tact. I've been impressed with your administration of the process thus far, MSP - and continuing on in the EU poll.

BTW, note that we haven't heard anything (as far as I recall) about Kidhuman's POV on all of this, so I'm left wondering if he opposes it being done without Hasbro completing our list. For his benefit, I note that I caved in to pressure for this from other forum members' enthusiasm as well as being impressed with MSP's enthusiasm and thoroughness regarding the matter. Hasbro has about 50% of our original winners done - with possibly more (Bom Vimdim, Beru, Torynn, Yarna, Padme Senator (?), Queen Purple Dress (?), Mother Ewok, Tonbuck Toora, maybe more on the way, some shown at Toy Fair, only about 20 days away now.) The figures not done (at least from ANH) already seem to be headed for the top of MSP's list, which would be no coincidence - we were very thorough the first time through the process. So repeating vote-getters would just re-inforce what we told Hasbro about the demand for Luke Skywalker in his Medical Frigate Recovery outfit, etc. It's been 3 years. Let them know we're still enthusiastic about it.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-29-2008, 09:34 PM
I would think JediTricks would want to do it. He's been on top of Q&A and write-up reports on Hasbro at Conventions.

I would do it, but also consider El Chuxter, as he's a very neutral "character" in this process. Then again, if Kidhuman can make it out to Comic Con this year, he has some clout invested from the original process.

I posted the above while not sure if you yourself MSP, were planning on attending Comic Con. However, what you're doing now is far more important than the result presentation. You just don't want a blathering fan boy handing over the list while going on about Yarna or Aunt Beru, or sounding a little too dangerously unstable saying something like "I MUST have more Padme figures or I'll develop (a particular kind of) cancer!"

Probably all of us can do the presentation with tact. I've been impressed with your administration of the process thus far, MSP - and continuing on in the EU poll.Thanks. I don't plan on being there. I did realize recently that the vacation time I have scheduled will correspond with it, but I'm already planning on going someplace else that week. All I figured I would do was to make all the results available in a nice format for whoever presents it.

bigbarada
01-29-2008, 11:55 PM
BigBarada, the way this will sort out, you'll be able to vote your prefeference for ROTJ Jabba characters over ANH Cantina aliens, and anything else (ESB or Prequels). That's the next phase.

We're just determining which 25 figures from ROTJ (or in the current poll that's up, ANH) should be in the ranking poll in the first place.

With this style, if you have an obscure character, want a resculpt, or whatever else, you can nominate it to the list, and if it gets enough traction to be one of the top 25 characters from that movie, it will make the final voting rounds. If not, like Swiley Corey (spelling) then you probably won't see her in the poll at all - but you can't claim she didn't have a chance. We know that about everyone here finds Bom Vimdim more interesting.

I think you should understand this before TPM and AOTC polls because you don't like the PT and it will have 2 movies offered before ROTJ is polled for. In this way, you'll understand what a list of podracers means, and that it will take another round of voting to find out what they are really worth.

That's why the EU figures we voted for will be included in that competition too. If they aren't wanted more than movie figures, they won't be voted for.

MAD-SLANTED-POWERS, incidentally, how big of final winners do you think you'll do: Top 50 or Top 100?

We'll have 150 movie figures and 25 EU ones (to be fair, while we asked for folks' Top 50 because there are so many possibilities) we should only weigh EU as much as a single movie with 25 contestants IMO. Besides the Top 25 of the EU are fairly strong and consistently solidified in their positions now.

So there could be 175 figures in the final competition. How many to let rank? 50 has been the traditional number, and it would eliminate 71% of the less worthy choices, giving us a strong top 29% of all SW possibilities not yet made (or satisfactorily resculpted). We also have seen how long it takes Hasbro to do 50 requested figures as after 3 years from when Kidhuman and I did our original polls, we still have only half of those figures (not allowing for characters like Bom Vimdim that might show up at Toy Fair).

If we do a Top 100, we eliminate only 43% of the less demanded characters, and leave Hasbro with a very long "to-do list." I haven't decided where I stand yet, but I'm leaning towards a Top 50 only. I'd like to hear what others say and why they think it.

I understand it now, I think. Will we be choosing 25 out of the 175 in the next round?

I was just hoping that this didn't turn into 'pick your top five figures from each movie' or something like that. Because I can't narrow my want list from ROTJ down to just five. Plus, I can't think of five figures that I want from all of the prequels added together, much less five from each movie.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-30-2008, 12:24 AM
After we rank the figures for each movie, we then take the top 5 from each and from the EU. From that group of 35 you will rank your top 5. The top five scores make the list. We then repeat, taking the top 5 from those that remain in each list.

So, you needn't vote for any prequel figures in those rounds. You won't have to worry about limiting yourself to five per movie, because that is the most that will be available each round. If you mainly like Cantina and Jabba's Palace aliens, then you will probably just be voting for ANH and ROTJ figures.

It could be that your favorite figure isn't available to vote in the first round of Phase 2. The logic behind that is that if it isn't good enough to make the top 5 for its movie, it isn't good enough to make top 5 overall. If enough figures ahead of it make the final list, then it will get a chance to be voted on.

Mad Slanted Powers
01-30-2008, 12:54 AM
Oh, and here is the list I have put together for TPM. I'll be starting a new thread for that poll on Sunday.


Antidar Williams (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Antidar_Williams) - Radiant VII male co-pilot (Republic Officer)
Maoi Madakor (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maori_Madakor) - Radiant VII female captain (Republic Officer)
Royal Handmaiden (http://www.royalhandmaidensociety.org/galleries/episode1_by_scene/anakin_cant_count.htm) – blue/purple outfit when Anakin comes to visit
Royal Handmaiden (http://www.royalhandmaidensociety.org/images/galleries/episode1_by_scene/pre_senate/pre_senate12.jpg) – crimson gown from Senate and Post Senate scenes -
Qui-Gon Jinn (molded cloak, hood up) -
Qui-Gon Jinn, Tatooine Poncho, molded plastic -
Senator Palpatine Hologram -
G8-R3 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/G8-R3) - also called R5-A7 - destroyed repairing Queen's Starship

Queen/Padmé
Black Travel Queen (http://www.royalhandmaidensociety.org/galleries/episode1_by_scene/be_commended.htm) - softgoods that can sit on Royal Starship Throne
Queen Amidala, Post Senate black gown (http://www.royalhandmaidensociety.org/galleries/episode1_by_scene/palpatine_for_chancellor.htm) – Palpatine's office and Nute Gunray's arrest
Queen Amidala Return to Naboo (http://www.royalhandmaidensociety.org/galleries/episode1_by_scene/return_to_naboo.htm) - (purple travel gown also worn at Qui-Gon's funeral)
Queen Amidala, PreSenate (http://www.royalhandmaidensociety.org/galleries/episode1_by_scene/pre_senate.htm) – gray/yellow outfit


Trade Federation
Captain Daultary Dofine (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daultay_Dofine) - Stunted Slime Neimoidian
PK Worker Droid (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/PK_worker_droid) – Federation white E.T. Pick-up Droid white
Commander Tey How (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tey_How) - Niemoidian communications officer
Battle Droid (blue-stripe / pilot droid) -
Nute Gunray Hologram -


Coruscant/Senate
Aks Moe (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aks_Moe) - Gran senator of Malastare
Bail Antilles (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bail_Antilles) – human from Alderaan, wearing white
Edcel Bar Gane (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Edcel_Bar_Gane) - Senator from Roona
Grebleips (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grebleips) - E.T. Senator (probably Speilberg's property, but we can try) -
Horox Ryyder (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Horox_Ryyder) - Anx Senator - looks like Graxol Kelvyyn
Lethan Twi'lek (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lethan) - red un-named aide to Orn Free Ta
Mik Regrap (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mik_Regrap) - Lott Dod's Diplomat in Senate pod
Mot Not Rab (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mot_Not_Rab) – Tarnab senator
Pampy (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pampy) - turquoise aide to Orn Free Ta
Rayno Vaca (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rayno_Vaca) - Tarnab Coruscant Taxi Driver (looks kinda like a Bothan)
Sei Teria (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sei_Taria) - Asian woman, Supreme Chancellor Valorum's aide
Tendau Bendon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tendau_Bendon) - Ithorian Senator – Hammerhead
Tikkes (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tikkes) - Quarren senator
Toonbuck Toora (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Toonbuck_Toora) - senator
Lott Dod's Financial Officer (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trade_Baron) - also in Senate pod
Yeb Yeb Adem'thorn (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yeb_Yeb_Adem%27thorn) - Swokes Swokes senator
black Coruscant Guard (ethnic variation of the Senate Guard) -
Chancellor Valorum, brown business suit from landing platform -
The Rodian Senator (long red cloak) -

Naboo
Ebenn Q3 Baobab (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ebenn_Q3_Baobab) - Ben Burtt cameo on Naboo
black Naboo Security (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Roysecguard.JPG) – Yellow/Brown outfit
Captain Panaka (softgoods, removeable hat) -
Eirtaé - Naboo battle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eirtaé) – Blonde Handmaiden
white Naboo Royal Guard (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chamberlyn) - again, we can't have armies of clones
White Security Officer (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Security_Officer) – Uniform like Panaka's
Gungan Band Member (drum and trumpet included)
Gungan Child -
Gungan Female -

Pilots
Arven Wendik (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arven_Wendik) - black N-1 Pilot (Bravo 3)
Ellberger (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ellberger) - female N-1 Pilot (Bravo 5)
Porro Dolphe (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Porro_Dolphe) - Bravo 2 N-1 Pilot
Rya Kirsch (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rya_Kirsch) - N-1 Pilot (Bravo 4) - John Knoll cameo
Gavyn Sykes (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gavyn_Sykes) – Bravo 6, the guy you play in Battle for Naboo


Podracers
Aldar Beedo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aldar_Beedo) - (podracer - looks like a green reptilian ant-eater with sharp teeth)
Ark Roose (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ark_Roose) - podracer
Ben Quadrinaros (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_Quadinaros) - podracer lost his power coupling
Boles Roor (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boles_Roor) - podracer
Clegg Holdfast (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clegg_Holdfast) - podracer
Ebe E. Endecott (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ebe_E._Endocott) - Triffian pod race pilot
Kam Nale (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kam_Nale) - podracer
Mohawnic (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mawhonic) - Gran podracer pilot
Neva Kee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Neva_Kee) - podracer
Rats Tyrell (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ratts_Tyerell) - podracer - was killed during the Boonta Classic, had wife, kids
Wan Sandage (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wan_Sandage) - podracer - looks like a green fox or close to it

Tatooine
Amee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Amee) - One of Anakin's friends - Katie Lucas
Ann (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ann_Gella) and Tan Gella (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tann_Gella) - blue Twi'lek girls massaging Sebulba
Diva Funquita (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Diva_Funquita) - Gardulla's assistant - Amanda Lucas
Diva Shaliqua (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Diva_Shaliqua) - Jabba's blue-haired slave girl
Jira (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jira) - elder lady who's friend of Anakin's and who's bones are aching
Kitster (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kitster_Banai) - (Anakin's friend)
Melee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Melee) - One of Anakin's friends - "It's not going to run"
R5-X2 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R5-X2) - Jabba's red R5 unit
Seek (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seek) - One of Anakin's friends - "Let's go play ball"
Wald (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wald) - Anakin's Rodian friend
Weazel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Weazel) - Warwick Davis in Watto's Box

Some of the senators and podracers may not be in the film. I'm not sure about Gavyn Sykes either. There is an actor listed and a picture on that page, but I couldn't see that scene in the film, though I did see the yellow astromech.

I found a neat site dedicated to Queen Amidala and her handmaidens - http://royalhandmaidensociety.org - I used it for some of the links.

bigbarada
01-30-2008, 01:21 AM
Don't forget about:
Chokk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chokk) - Klatooinian guard standing next to Jabba during the podrace.

Also seen HERE (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Chokk.jpg) in street clothes (he walks past Qui-Gonn, Jar Jar, and Padme on the Mos Espa streets).

Mad Slanted Powers
01-30-2008, 01:35 AM
Don't forget about:
Chokk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chokk) - Klatooinian guard standing next to Jabba during the podrace.

Also seen HERE (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Chokk.jpg) in street clothes (he walks past Qui-Gonn, Jar Jar, and Padme on the Mos Espa streets).
Ah, yes. I came across him and then forgot to put him on the list. There was another one in that scene too, or perhaps he was a Nikto or another species. I can't recall if he has a name or not.

pegger
01-30-2008, 08:45 AM
Some other quick ones:

Holo Sidious on the walking holo projector
Nute Gunray sitting the walking throne

Also - there were a bunch of Queen Amidala's advisors (seen near the beginning of the movie):
Hela Brandes (Music Advisor) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hela_Brandes)
Hugo Eckener (Chief Architect) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hugo_Eckener)
Lufta_Shif (Education Advisor) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lufta_Shif)
Graf Zapalo (Master of Sciences) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Graf_Zapalo)
Horace Vancil (Political and economic advisor) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Horace_Vancil)

And for Tatooine - there's that spacer that walks by in one of the shots - with the skull painted on his helmet...I'll see if I can find the time code he shows up - or link...

Droid
01-30-2008, 11:05 AM
Unless it is out of bounds because it is a reissue or a beast, I intend to write in the Eopie.

I also intend to write in Gardulla the Hutt unless deluxe figures aren't allowed.

And I will be writing in a Depa Billaba and an Even Piell that can sit in Jedi Council chairs.

I can't imagine I'll ask for any more than 15 figures and I really only care about 2!

JediTricks
01-30-2008, 05:27 PM
Nah, there haven't been too many that voted for both yet. I've already updated them. Three have already provided their replacements, one passed and I'm waiting on one more. So, go ahead and combine them into one.Done. And the more I see these Decipher-made names, the more I want to find those authors and hit them in the heads with hammers. Those things are so NOT Star Wars.


BTW, I took the underlines out of the section toppers, they were driving me nuts even at the larger font size, I replaced that with bold so they really stood out.



Unless it is out of bounds because it is a reissue or a beast, I intend to write in the Eopie.

I also intend to write in Gardulla the Hutt unless deluxe figures aren't allowed.This is a figure list, not a beast list, and Hasbro's said several times now that the deluxe line is pretty much dead for the time being.


Oh, and I fixed "Bom Vimdim" so it was correctly "Bom Vimdin".

El Chuxter
01-31-2008, 12:23 AM
Is Zorba the Hutt allowable? Or would he count as a playset?

Would something as sexy as a Hutt with a beard be able to make it past the regulators?

Mad Slanted Powers
01-31-2008, 12:50 AM
Is Zorba the Hutt allowable? Or would he count as a playset?

Would something as sexy as a Hutt with a beard be able to make it past the regulators?Zorba is EU, so you should've voted for it in that poll.

I'd say Hutts are eligible but not the Eopie. There may not be much difference in size, but one is a sentient creature. However, the Eopie had more lines than Gardulla, even if they did come out of the other end instead.

El Chuxter
01-31-2008, 12:56 AM
I didn't vote for him there since he's too big. And sexy. :(

Is it too late to revise my list?

Mad Slanted Powers
01-31-2008, 01:19 AM
I didn't vote for him there since he's too big. And sexy. :(

Is it too late to revise my list?Nope. Just go to the EU thread and tell me where to rank him. However, with only one other vote for him so far, he's not likely to fare well in the final rankings.

El Chuxter
01-31-2008, 01:26 AM
He's pretty high on my list now, so he might not do too badly. I can't believe I totally forgot him before. (Seriously speaking), he has to be the stupidest idea ever.

I also took off two that were confirmed earlier today, and tossed in a Dulok to round out the 50. I don't expect the Duloks will fare well.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-01-2008, 09:09 PM
And for Tatooine - there's that spacer that walks by in one of the shots - with the skull painted on his helmet...I'll see if I can find the time code he shows up - or link...Is it Rum Sleg (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rum_Sleg)?

Tycho
02-01-2008, 09:23 PM
I liked that guy in TPM. I also liked the guy in black that looked like he was following him. Brought back flashbacks of Garindan in Mos Eisley as well as reminded me that Darth Maul was now on the planet.

pegger
02-02-2008, 08:55 AM
Here's my complete list of unmade Ep. 1 possible figs. It is in order of appearance (I didn't renew the links you had) - and for those I couldn't find links for, I include the time code where it shows up in the film.

Antidar Williams - Radiant VII male co-pilot (Republic Officer)
Maoi Madakor - Radiant VII female captain (Republic Officer)
Captain Daultary Dofine - Stunted Slime Neimoidian
Battle Droid (blue-stripe / pilot droid) -
Nute Gunray Hologram -
Commander Tey How - Niemoidian communications officer
Royal Handmaiden (yellow dress)
Hugo Eckener (Chief Architect)
Hela Brandes (Music Advisor)
Horace Vancil (Political and economic advisor)
Graf Zapalo (Master of Sciences)
Lufta_Shif (Education Advisor)
Bearded Advisor (9:22)
Dark haired woman advisor (9:22)
Swimming Obi Wan
Gungan Civilian
PK Worker Droid – Federation white E.T. Pick-up Droid white
Yellow and Brown Naboo Soldier
Naboo pilot with trench coat
G8-R3 - also called R5-A7 - destroyed repairing Queen's Starship
R2-D2 with grabber arm
Holo Maul (standing - arms crossed)
Dirty R2-D2
Spacer with tall Helmet (31:00)
Ishi Tibb Civilian (same timing)
Really tall bearded alien with midget (31:04)
Quarren civilian
Pacithhip civilian
Aleena civilian
Old R1 droid in watto's shop
Junk droid (33:42)
Jira - elder lady who's friend of Anakin's and who's bones are aching
Kitster - (Anakin's friend)
Seek - One of Anakin's friends - "Let's go play ball"
Wald - Anakin's Rodian friend
Melee - One of Anakin's friends - "It's not going to run"
Amee - One of Anakin's friends - Katie Lucas
Ann and Tan Gella - blue Twi'lek girls massaging Sebulba
Sebulba's Mechanic (Nikto - 52:27)
Sebulba's Mechanic (with hat - 52:27)
Mohawnic - Gran podracer pilot
Sebuba's Mechanic (helmetted - 52:49)
Rum Sleg
Clegg Holdfast - podracer
C-3P0 (naked) - Flag bearer
Chokk - Klatooinian guard standing next to Jabba during the podrace.
R5-X2 - Jabba's red R5 unit
Diva Shaliqua - Jabba's blue-haired slave girl
Jabba's Nikto guard(58:07)
Diva Funquita - Gardulla's assistant - Amanda Lucas
Bib Fortuna
Weazel - Warwick Davis in Watto's Box
Rats Tyrell - podracer - was killed during the Boonta Classic, had wife, kids
Concession Food sales guy - with 4 arms.
Nute Gunray sitting the walking throne
Chancellar Valorum (reception)
Rayno Vaca - Tarnab Coruscant Taxi Driver (looks kinda like a Bothan)
Royal Handmaiden – crimson gown from Senate and Post Senate scenes -
Queen Amidala (Grey/Asian type outfit) (1:22:52)
Royal Handmaiden – blue/purple outfit when Anakin comes to visit
Chancellar Valorum (Senate)
Mas Amedda
Sei Teria - Asian woman, Supreme Chancellor Valorum's aide
Senator Palpatine (Senate outfit)
Mik Regrap - Lott Dod's Diplomat in Senate pod
Lott Dod's Financial Officer - also in Senate pod
Aks Moe's add
Aks Moe - Gran senator of Malastare
Tikkes - Quarren senator
The Rodian Senator (long red cloak) -
Orn Free Ta
Lethan Twi'lek - red un-named aide to Orn Free Ta
Pampy - turquoise aide to Orn Free Ta
Wookie Senator
Yeb Yeb Adem'thorn - Swokes Swokes senator
Grebleips - E.T. Senator (probably Speilberg's property, but we can try) -
Queen Amidala, Post Senate black gown – Palpatine's office and Nute Gunray's arrest
Queen Amidala Return to Naboo - (purple travel gown also worn at Qui-Gon's funeral)
Eirtaé - Naboo battle – Blonde Handmaiden
Rep Teers (Sacred Place)
Gungan Child -
Gungan Female -
black Naboo Security – Yellow/Brown outfit
Nemodian - white outfit (Civilians) (1:42:08)
Nemodian red outfit (Civilians) (1:42:08)
Nemodian Blue outfit (Civilians) (1:46:57)
Nemodian brown outfit (Civilians) (1:46:57)
Porro Dolphe - Bravo 2 N-1 Pilot
Arven Wendik - black N-1 Pilot (Bravo 3)
Ellberger - female N-1 Pilot (Bravo 5)
Rya Kirsch - N-1 Pilot (Bravo 4) - John Knoll cameo
Qui Gonn (lightsabre wound)
Ebenn Q3 Baobab - Ben Burtt cameo on Naboo
funeral pyre Qui ?Gonn
Gungan Band Member (drum and trumpet included)
Celebration Handmaiden
Celebration Naboo children
Celebration Ani
Midget Eopie Kaadu keeper (2:09:02)

Here are some from the deleted scenes:
Kam Nale
Ratts Tyerell's wife
Ratts Tyerell's kids
Ark Roose - podracer
R2-D2 w paint spayer
Greedo

And after carefully watching the movie (again) - I can't see the following (and so I assume they are EU)

Gavyn Sykes – Bravo 6, the guy you play in Battle for Naboo
Horox Ryyder - Anx Senator - looks like Graxol Kelvyyn
Tendau Bendon - Ithorian Senator – Hammerhead
Mot Not Rab – Tarnab senator
Bail Antilles – human from Alderaan, wearing white
Edcel Bar Gane - Senator from Roona
Toonbuck Toora - senator
Aldar Beedo - (podracer - looks like a green reptilian ant-eater with sharp teeth)
Boles Roor - podracer
Ebe E. Endecott - Triffian pod race pilot
Neva Kee - podracer
Wan Sandage - podracer - looks like a green fox or close to it

Mad Slanted Powers
02-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Horox Ryder or some Anx is seen at 1:26:54 in the bottom right of the screen.

pegger
02-03-2008, 11:00 AM
Horox Ryder or some Anx is seen at 1:26:54 in the bottom right of the screen.

Oh yeah....thanks. Never would've seen them...

Mad Slanted Powers
02-03-2008, 05:10 PM
Okay, the Episode I poll is up now here (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37176). I didn't include all of your suggestions for background characters, especially if I didn't have a name for them. Of course, people are free to write in anything.

JediTricks
02-03-2008, 09:47 PM
On the TPM list, we've already got confirmation of Qui-Gon Jinn – new SA resculpt
(in the Evolutions Jedi pack).

Also, how is Rep Teers different from the Rep Been figure we already have? They look identical, literally the same image on Wookieepedia for each.

JediTricks
02-03-2008, 10:05 PM
BTW, with TPM going up, I posted a news article about the ANH poll. I figured with this much time for each poll, I could put them in for these sunday/monday light news periods without flooding the poll early.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-03-2008, 10:19 PM
On the TPM list, we've already got confirmation of Qui-Gon Jinn – new SA resculpt
(in the Evolutions Jedi pack).

Also, how is Rep Teers different from the Rep Been figure we already have? They look identical, literally the same image on Wookieepedia for each.Ah, yes, I was thinking there was something with Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon coming up. I forgot about that when I threw them on the list. I'll take him off the list. As far as Teers goes, that was on one of the lists provided for me and it was on the old top 50 list. It's a different character, so I guess it technically hasn't been made yet. I'll take if off though. People can write it in if they really want it.

bigbarada
02-04-2008, 02:13 PM
If you don't mind, I'd like to start contributing names for the ROTJ poll. I'm going to get started with Skiff Guards, but if this is just going to make your job harder, let me know and I'll hold off until the proper time.

Prisoner Skiff:
Kithaba (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kithaba)
Vedain (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vedain)
Velken Tezeri (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Velken_Tezeri)
Queequay - the other Weequay on the Prisoner Skiff, even though the stupid EU doesn't see fit to give him an original name. :upset: So, I went with the ILM nickname.

Prisoner Skiff resculpts:
Weequay
Luke Jedi
Skiff Battle Han Solo (SA with shackles and staff)
Skiff Battle Chewie (likely just a rerelease of the VOTC Chewie with shackles, I probably wouldn't even vote for this one, but I'm just putting it out there)
Lando Skiff (SA with Sarlacc tentacle)

Second Skiff:
Nikto guard - this would be a resculpt of the vintage Nikto, but he's not even listed in Wookiepedia (in fact, that site is a pretty poor source when it comes to Skiff Guards, there're so many inaccuracies and mislabeled characters)
Giran (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Giran) - he was also the second Rancor Keeper, so he has a dual role.
Sgt. Doallyn (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Doallyn) - he's rumored for this year last I heard.
There are three human guards, but I don't know names for any of them. I would vote for them, but it might be best to just leave them off the list unless some info can be found. I can get some screenshots for you, but they won't be great since everything was moving so fast.

Second Skiff resculpts:
Barada - yes I would love to have an SA Barada with the proper weapon (he attacked Luke with a staff, not a blaster).
Pote Snitkin - not really necessary, Hasbro could get away with a strict rerelease. I just wanted to put every name out there.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-04-2008, 08:44 PM
Go ahead and post what you have. When I get to ROTJ, I'll be matching up the lists that have been provided with the Wookieepedia to find links.

bigbarada
02-04-2008, 11:58 PM
Here are the three human skiff guards from the second skiff. Maybe someone will recognize them and be able to find their appropriate Wookieepedia listing.

The first guard is dressed very similar to Velken Tezeri from the prisoners skiff.

The second guard is wearing a tan 'jumpsuit' being kicked by Luke.

The third guard is in the yellow jumpsuit right behind Barada and in front of Pote Snitkin.

Tycho
02-05-2008, 03:48 PM
Since THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK will be the next poll surveyed,

I'm offering our original sample voting list (of the characters who were not chosen in last time's poll). This is the shortest list without even 25 from my original poll (subtracting figures like Lando Smuggler and Han Torture, General Veers etc. who were already produced):

Torynn Farr
Hoth Rebel Soldier (vintage figure re-do)
Captain Lennox (commanded Star Destroyer hit by ion cannon)
R4 droid (white body, black head)
Luke Skywalker Dagobah (tree cave - Bespin jacket hanging open over shirt)
Captain Needa
Princess Leia Recovery Room (Rebel Medical Frigate)
Luke Skywalker Recovery Room - with bionic hand repairs
U-3PO (a silver protocal droid, they could re-card TC-14)
black Bespin Security Guard
Utriss M'Toc - alien Bespin Security Guard
Wiorkettle - a Snivvian
Treva Horme - a tall Cloud City alien civilian
The Ice Cream Maker Guy (Wilrow Hood)
new Ugnaught (with droid furnace conveyor belt?)
black Cloud Car Pilot
Bespin Security Guard with a mustache –
Cloud City civilian - woman Bespin Escape (seen in evacuation scenes)

El Chuxter
02-05-2008, 03:53 PM
Would 2-1B with a dead Tauntaun be considered too large?

It sounds like a joke, especially given the cult status The Deuce has deservedly earned, but it would be a cool figure in a film that's short on possible figures.

We also should add the Medical Frigate versions of Luke and Leia.

Tycho
02-05-2008, 04:00 PM
We also should add the Medical Frigate versions of Luke and Leia.


That's what I meant when I listed "Recovery Room Luke / Recovery Room Leia."

MSP can designate them how he sees fit, but they are indeed intended to be from the end of ESB.

Leia was in her Hoth outfit (already made) after the Wampa Attack rescue.

Luke was dressed the same as in the end of ESB, but still had his natural right arm. I'd recommend 3 right arms be included with Luke so you could display him as you see fit:

medical tournaquet (they have this prop molded already from OTC Luke)
right arm with robot controls exposed (Terminator style sort of)
normal right arm for post Wampa Attack recovery or "post-Bespin fixed arm")

Oh, and pack in the GREEN lightsaber, that he built during SOTE!

bigbarada
02-05-2008, 04:03 PM
I'd like a new AT-AT Commander. With a sculpted on helmet and vest so we can get both halves of his armor. Plus he needs to be smaller with ball-joint knees, so he can actually sit in the AT-AT. It's either that or Hasbro makes us a bigger AT-AT toy that can fit the current General Veers figure. But, I figure the generic AT-AT Commander has a better chance of being made.

El Chuxter
02-05-2008, 04:10 PM
Duh, I somehow missed them in your list.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 07:49 PM
Here's what I have so far. There are some more rebels and imperials that are named, but they don't say anything and could be satisfied by generic versions. There are also a few more named Bespin Guards, but I haven't found the one with the mustache. Was there a black Cloud Car pilot? I'll have to look again.

Rebels
Dak Ralter (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dak_Ralter) - Luke's gunner
Tamizander Rey (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tamizander_Rey) - Deck officer (vintage figure outfit)
Tigran Jamiro (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tigran_Jamiro) - "Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker." (also has vintage figure outfit)
Torynn Farr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Toryn_Farr) - "Stand by, Ion Control...Fire."
Trey Callum (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trey_Callum) - "Echo Station 3-T-8. We've spotted Imperial Walkers."
Wes Janson (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wes_Janson)
Luke Skywalker Dagobah (tree cave - Bespin jacket hanging open over muscle shirt) -
Luke Skywalker Recovery Room with bionic hand repairs -
Princess Leia Recovery Room (Rebel Medical Frigate) -

Bespin
Edian (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Edian) - black Bespin Security Guard
Tian Chyler (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tian_Chyler) – Bespin female seen during evacuation scenes
Treva Horme (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Treva_Horme) - a tall Cloud City alien civilian - same species as Solomahal
Utriss M'Toc (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Utris_M%27Toc) - alien Bespin Security Guard - cut scene
Willrow Hood (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood) - The Ice Cream Maker Guy
Wiorkettle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wiorkettle) - a Snivvian on Bespin
Bespin Security Guard with a mustache in case you think the Vintage isn't redone yet -
black Cloud Car Pilot -
new Ugnaught -

Imperials
Bewil (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bewil) - Imperial Officer that informs Vader Luke has landed.
Cabbel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cabbel) - Imperial Officer - "Sir, Rebel Ships are coming into our sector"
Captain Lennox (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lennox) - "Good. Our first catch of the day."
Captain Needa (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lorth_Needa) - his apology was accepted
Sheckil (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sheckil) - Imperial officer played by Jeremy Bulloch

Droids
E-3PO (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/E-3PO) - “E chu ta!”
R5-M2 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R5-M2) - Hoth R5, white w/blue markings, black head

El Chuxter
02-05-2008, 08:43 PM
There's also the Imperial Officer played by Scott Bakula (or an incredible lookalike).

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 08:59 PM
There's also the Imperial Officer played by Scott Bakula (or an incredible lookalike).

Could it be Venka (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venka)?

jedi master sal
02-05-2008, 11:41 PM
There's also the Imperial Officer played by Scott Bakula (or an incredible lookalike).

I don't think he looks that much like Scott Bakula.

In other news, ActionFigs.com has some news on other lines, go check it out!

Mad Slanted Powers
02-05-2008, 11:54 PM
I just noticed there are exactly 25 items on the list I posted. This poll will be quite a bit different from the other movies.

JediTricks
02-06-2008, 12:25 AM
I'll take if off though. People can write it in if they really want it.Anybody who writes it in should be kicked in the junk:
"Do you want this?:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/c/ce/Repbeen2.jpg
or this?:
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/9/90/Repteers.jpg
Choose carefully, one has eyebrows!"
Damnit, it does have an eye ridge thing going! I really hate completism like this. :p

BTW, I see you took him out but left Qui-Gon SA, so I pulled him.


Would 2-1B with a dead Tauntaun be considered too large?

It sounds like a joke, especially given the cult status The Deuce has deservedly earned, but it would be a cool figure in a film that's short on possible figures.That's a deluxe set, they're not making deluxe sets.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-06-2008, 12:39 AM
BTW, I see you took him out but left Qui-Gon SA, so I pulled him.Are you sure? I thought I removed him. I notice that Obi-Wan is not there, though. Perhaps I removed him instead. He can go back on the list.

Tycho
02-06-2008, 01:22 AM
If there only are 25 ESB possibilities, I suppose we still have to rank them so your Phase 2 polling will work.

Write-ins might crop up, too.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-06-2008, 01:41 AM
If there only are 25 ESB possibilities, I suppose we still have to rank them so your Phase 2 polling will work.

Write-ins might crop up, too.Yes, there will be write-ins and perhaps requests for resculpts like Hoth or Bespin Escape Leia. People weren't too happy with the torture rack Han, so the best we have of him prior to that is from the POTJ days.

As with the other polls, people needn't vote for 25. We don't need 25 for Phase 2 to work.

JediTricks
02-06-2008, 02:06 AM
Are you sure? I thought I removed him. I notice that Obi-Wan is not there, though. Perhaps I removed him instead. He can go back on the list.
I'm positive because I pulled him from this block of Qui-Gons:
Qui-Gon Jinn – funeral pyre
Qui-Gon Jinn – lightsaber wound
Qui-Gon Jinn (molded cloak, hood up) -
Qui-Gon Jinn, Tatooine Poncho, molded plastic -

(he was the second one in the list originally)

I'll put Obi-Wan back, I'm guessing that's what you pulled by accident.

pegger
02-06-2008, 10:34 AM
There's also:
Hobbie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_Base)
Tarn Mison (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarn_Mison)
Romas Navander (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Romas_Navander)
Kesin Ommis (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kesin_Ommis)

R2-D2 with the scanner up (The R2-D2 shown on the VOTC R2-D2 card)

Luke in the orange jumpsuit (when's he talking with Toobers - just before the battle of hoth, but after the Bacta sceen) He has no parka on - just the jumpsuit

Holo Imperial Captain (from the sceen where Vader is chewing them out for not finding the Falcon) - I know you guys hate holo's - but he's still there.

Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi - with his hood up over his head (from the post Wampa attack scene - pre Han showing up)

Oh - and WEDGE in snowspeeder gear!

Tycho
02-06-2008, 11:42 AM
Pegger, Hobbie is out in the stores right now (with Fel in the Comic 2-pack).

Do you want a resculpt already? A carded figure? A removeable skullcap?

His Hoth Snowspeeder gear with the skullcap is ESB cannon.

Black gloves / boots and any hair (totally removeable headgear) is all EU (Rogue Squadron comics). As is his civilian clothes.

How would you like your Hobbie figure? Or would he belong in our EU poll?

Droid
02-06-2008, 12:18 PM
Is Tamizander Rey the person who said Luke might have come in through the South Entrance?

As it stands, I will probably vote for about 10 figures for Empire. 15 tops. And I really only care about Captain Needa and the black Bespin guard.

pegger
02-06-2008, 01:02 PM
Pegger, Hobbie is out in the stores right now (with Fel in the Comic 2-pack).

Do you want a resculpt already? A carded figure? A removeable skullcap?

His Hoth Snowspeeder gear with the skullcap is ESB cannon.

Black gloves / boots and any hair (totally removeable headgear) is all EU (Rogue Squadron comics). As is his civilian clothes.

How would you like your Hobbie figure? Or would he belong in our EU poll?

Well, firstly the version out now is his X-wing version...not his snow speeder version. The outfits are different.

2ndly - I never said I would vote for him. I'm just trying to enlarge the list a bit. If I were to vote for him, it would be in his snowspeeder outfit. At least there are 33 choices now, instead of only 25.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-06-2008, 07:52 PM
Is Tamizander Rey the person who said Luke might have come in through the South Entrance?Yes, that is him.


There's also:
Hobbie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_Base)
Tarn Mison (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarn_Mison)
Romas Navander (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Romas_Navander)
Kesin Ommis (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kesin_Ommis)

R2-D2 with the scanner up (The R2-D2 shown on the VOTC R2-D2 card)

Luke in the orange jumpsuit (when's he talking with Toobers - just before the battle of hoth, but after the Bacta sceen) He has no parka on - just the jumpsuit

Holo Imperial Captain (from the sceen where Vader is chewing them out for not finding the Falcon) - I know you guys hate holo's - but he's still there.

Ghost of Obi Wan Kenobi - with his hood up over his head (from the post Wampa attack scene - pre Han showing up)

Oh - and WEDGE in snowspeeder gear!

I can also add Wyron Serper (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wyron_Serper). He had lines in the scene where they heard the probe droid transmission.

Droid
02-06-2008, 09:31 PM
Now that we are scraping it, do you think we could get a figure of the BOTTOM of the barrel?

Mad Slanted Powers
02-06-2008, 09:44 PM
Now that we are scraping it, do you think we could get a figure of the BOTTOM of the barrel?

Oh yeah, the BAR-L droid. I think it can be seen in the junk room on Bespin. :D

Mad Slanted Powers
02-09-2008, 06:21 PM
There's also:
Hobbie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_Base)
Tarn Mison (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarn_Mison)
Romas Navander (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Romas_Navander)
Kesin Ommis (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kesin_Ommis)


According to the Wookieepedia, Tarn Mison isn't listed as being in the movie. The only source they have listed is a Decipher card. I think I have identified Kesin Ommis as a pilot standing next to Hobbie when Hobbie asks "two fighters against a star destroyer?"

pegger
02-09-2008, 06:50 PM
According to the Wookieepedia, Tarn Mison isn't listed as being in the movie. The only source they have listed is a Decipher card. I think I have identified Kesin Ommis as a pilot standing next to Hobbie when Hobbie asks "two fighters against a star destroyer?"

OK - that guy. In any event I want the X-Wing fighter with the head condom on.

Tycho
02-09-2008, 08:23 PM
OK - that guy. In any event I want the X-Wing fighter with the head condom on.

"This is Ron Jeremy: I'm going in!"

"Look at the size of that thing!" ;)

Mad Slanted Powers
02-09-2008, 08:42 PM
In the novel, Hobbie and Veers died when he crashed his speeder into the AT-AT head. In the EU, they both survived. In the movie, Zev is the one that gets shot before Luke crashes. Hobbie must be in the speeder behind him.

One interesting thing about examining the movies for the polls is that I've noticed a few things I hadn't noticed before. Today I saw a destroyed K-3PO in the Rebel HQ before when Han came to get Leia out of there. I don't recall seeing that before.

Here is the list as I have it now. This is what I plan to post when I start the ESB thread tomorrow. I put on the resculpts that I thought were worthy. I changed Tycho's Dagobah Luke suggestion to an SA version with removable jacket. The OTC version was nice, but was sort of scene specific. Both sets of arms had no articulation. I left off the black Cloud Car Pilot. I could barely find any Cloud Car Pilot in the film. Is Treva Horme in the film? The Decipher card picture looks like they took the Willrow Hood scene and placed him there instead. I can see the guy holding the skateboard looking thing running by.

Rebels
Dak Ralter (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dak_Ralter) - Luke's gunner
Hobbie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Derek_Klivian) - Snowspeeder outfit
Romas Navander (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Romas_Navander) – Discovered Imperial fleet presence
Shawn Valdez (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shawn_Valdez) - “Groups 7 & 10 will stay behind to fly the speeder”
Tamizander Rey (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tamizander_Rey) - Deck officer (vintage figure outfit)
Tigran Jamiro (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tigran_Jamiro) - "Your tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker." (also has vintage figure outfit)
Torynn Farr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Toryn_Farr) – Hoth female Rebel - "Stand by, Ion Control...Fire."
Trey Callum (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trey_Callum) - "Echo Station 3-T-8. We've spotted Imperial Walkers."
Wedge Antilles (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wedge_Antilles) - Snowspeeder outfit
Wes Janson (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wes_Janson) - Wedge's gunner
Wyron Serper (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wyron_Serper) - Discovered probe droid signal
Han Solo Bespin – TAC version was disappointing, POTJ version is from 2000.
Luke Skywalker Dagobah – SA, removable jacket
Luke Skywalker orange jumpsuit - when talking to 2-1B
Luke Skywalker Recovery Room with bionic hand repairs -
Princess Leia Bespin Escape – to update fixed pose POTJ figure
Princess Leia Hoth – POTF2 versions are 10 years old, Saga multipack version from 2003 is a kitbash
Princess Leia Recovery Room (Rebel Medical Frigate) -

Bespin
Edian (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Edian) - black Bespin Security Guard
Lee Phenets (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lee_Phenets) - Cloud City denizen seen with Ugnaughts
Merril (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Merril) - old Bespin security guard
Tian Chyler (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tian_Chyler) – Bespin female seen during evacuation scenes
Treva Horme (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Treva_Horme) - a tall Cloud City alien civilian - same species as Solomahal
Utriss M'Toc (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Utris_M%27Toc) - alien Bespin Security Guard - cut scene
Willrow Hood (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood) - The Ice Cream Maker Guy
Wiorkettle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wiorkettle) - a Snivvian on Bespin
Bespin Security Guard with a mustache in case you think the Vintage isn't redone yet -
new Ugnaught -

Imperials
Holographic Imperial Officer (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Asteroid_victim_officer) – from ship hit by asteroid
Bewil (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bewil) - Imperial Officer that informs Vader Luke has landed.
Cabbel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cabbel) - Imperial Officer - "Sir, Rebel Ships are coming into our sector"
Captain Lennox (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lennox) - "Good. Our first catch of the day."
Captain Needa (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lorth_Needa) - his apology was accepted
Sheckil (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sheckil) - Imperial officer played by Jeremy Bulloch

Droids
E-3PO (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/E-3PO) - “E chu ta!”
R5-M2 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/R5-M2) - Hoth R5, white w/blue markings, black head
R2-D2 with scanner up

JediTricks
02-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Treva Horme is CCG-only, not in the film. Stupid Decipher CCG.


The funny thing is that the K-3PO figure we have is based on THAT scene, that's what that blue crap on his chest is, he's got a blast hole in his chest when he's dead and the blue is representing this.


We need a new C-3PO with removable limbs, hasn't been done "right" yet.
Could use a new Luke Snowspeeder pilot, the UBP version we just got is not that accurate.

I propose merging Leia Hoth and Leia Bespin Escape, the underlying outfit is exactly the same, just suggest interchangeable heads for the hairstyles, interchangeable gloved & ungloved hands, and a removable vest.

I hate to do this, but I also would like to add Lando, we need a new headsculpt from the VOTC, a new body with better articulation and a removable cape, and a cape that fits over his shoulders like in the film.

I suppose R2-D2 with alternate grasper-style datalink and electrocution effect is needed as well, from when R2 plugs into the power socket that 3PO suggested by accident.

Also, I like the radar dish coming out of R2's head you have up there, but I also think we need an R2 with a longer periscope - I don't know if I should bother adding it though, it's just a distraction since we do have one.

Tycho
02-09-2008, 08:54 PM
When I vote, I still want to vote for an all-molded-plastic jacket-open Bespin Luke "Dagobah training." I don't like softgoods jackets ala Leia Collection style. It didn't work once already. But I'll specify that when I vote.

As to the black Cloud Car Pilot? He's more EU, but I'm sure "there were some." You can do ethnic variations for non-clone troop builders even without movie reference just so they aren't clones. He'd only require a different headsculpt because I think the CCPs are wearing gloves.

Treva Horme was cut out as far as I can tell. But he was costumed and originally filmed for the movie and won in our prior poll for the Top 50. I think that justifies keeping him there instead of putting him where? EU? He's not a comic / novel / video game character. (Wilrow Hood should be though - I'd do a story where a Mandalorian Bounty Hunting team wants to capture all the galaxy's ice cream, and Wilrow Hood has the last gallon of Rocky Road! The adventure ensues!)

pegger
02-09-2008, 10:03 PM
I would add Han Solo - with parka - but the parka is hanging open. (When he's repairing the Falcon on Hoth "Turn it off - turn it off!!!)

And a new Probot too. It's larger, but certainly not any larger than Hermi, Ephant Mon or the Octo droid in wave 1 this year.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-09-2008, 11:45 PM
I'll put the probe droid on the list since I think we've only had the POTF2 version and a repaint in 2005.

We've had the VTAC 2007 Han and a repaint in the Hoth Ultimate Battle Pack this year. We also had a Hoth Han in 2003. So, I think I'll leave that one off the list, but you are free to vote for it.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-10-2008, 03:47 PM
Treva Horme is CCG-only, not in the film. Stupid Decipher CCG.


The funny thing is that the K-3PO figure we have is based on THAT scene, that's what that blue crap on his chest is, he's got a blast hole in his chest when he's dead and the blue is representing this.


We need a new C-3PO with removable limbs, hasn't been done "right" yet.
Could use a new Luke Snowspeeder pilot, the UBP version we just got is not that accurate.

I propose merging Leia Hoth and Leia Bespin Escape, the underlying outfit is exactly the same, just suggest interchangeable heads for the hairstyles, interchangeable gloved & ungloved hands, and a removable vest.

I hate to do this, but I also would like to add Lando, we need a new headsculpt from the VOTC, a new body with better articulation and a removable cape, and a cape that fits over his shoulders like in the film.

I suppose R2-D2 with alternate grasper-style datalink and electrocution effect is needed as well, from when R2 plugs into the power socket that 3PO suggested by accident.

Also, I like the radar dish coming out of R2's head you have up there, but I also think we need an R2 with a longer periscope - I don't know if I should bother adding it though, it's just a distraction since we do have one.
I'm adding Lando to the list as SA with removable cape. I'll keep Leia separate since the Hoth version has boots. That made the kitbashed version less accurate becase it had the the Bespin Escape legs on it. I don't think I'll add any of the others at this time.

JediTricks
02-10-2008, 09:38 PM
Crud, I forgot about the boots. Fine.

I'm definitely writing those in with my votes.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-12-2008, 09:30 AM
I'll put up an AOTC list here tonight. It will probably have way too much on it as I went through everything on the AOTC Wookieepedia page and added a ton of nightclub patrons. I haven't gone through the movie again since then to see how visible some of them are. I'll probably remove a lot of them if they aren't there or are barely visible.

Tycho
02-12-2008, 10:19 AM
I'll edit this exact post of mine and drop in my list.

As to Club Outlander / Coruscant in general, I just listed the most obvious, a lot of the girls for sure, and pulled from the Visual Dictionary the ones I thought were compelling, like a supposedly female Weequay enforcer.

If the most obscure aren't going to get votes, why bother? Someone who really wants them can drop in a write-in.

pegger
02-12-2008, 10:36 AM
The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the one that gives Anakin the CFM look...

Tycho
02-12-2008, 12:49 PM
Here's the AOTC Possibilities List:

Corde (Senator's Decoy from starship explosion)
Barriss Offee (more articulation, relaxed pose)
Padme Amidala (Galactic Senate - from speech in deleted scene)
Dorme (Senator's Personal Aide)
JarJar Binks (Palpatine's Office / Padme's Apartment robes)
Padme Amidala (Palpatine's Office / Private Apartment)
Captain Typho (regular duty uniform)
Anakin Skywalker (Padme's apartment, non-preposed Jedi robes or Evolutions carded)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (Padme's apartment, non-preposed Jedi robes)
Pamde (nightgown from attack, also balcony scene with Anakin - removeable outer robe)
alien aircar driver that almost hits Obi-Wan hanging on droid ("what the?!")
Bufon Taire - Outlander Bartender (black human male, grey suit)
Lunae Minx (Lucas' daughter as Twi'lek female)
Tas Kee - female Weequay pirate with blue hat + uniform
Hat Lo - crime boss with collar taller than head hiding human features
Nyrat Agira - sexy human chick with medusa spiked bruntte hair in red thong -
Immi Danoo - sexy blonde human female in short-shorts with cape
Rosha Vess - purple haired sexy human chick with bikini top tattoos around her belly
Necil Sing - Asian human female with beaded veil was interested in Anakin - triple
Daro Willits - possibly half black, half-white human male with pony-tailed dreadlocks
Older Dug (Sebulba?) from Dexter's Diner
Younger Dug (from Dexter's Diner)
Hermione Bagwa (Dexter's blonde human waitress with the garter)
Padme Amidala -refugee disguise from Outland Peasant Freighter
Jocasta Nu - Jedi Librarian that helps Obi-Wan -
Queen Jamilla
Sio Bibble - 10 years older
Padme Amidala (from Senator's report to the Queen)
Padme at her parents' house (deleted scene, blue dress, midriff showing) Jobal Naberrie (Padme's mother- deleted scene)
Padme's father, Ruwee Naberrie (deleted scene)
Padme's Sister Sola (deleted scene)
Either of Padme's nieces (deleted scene)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (wet, hood up in shell cloak, SA in 2nd Jedi robe underneathe)
Kaminoan civilian
Padme Amidala (backless dress from first kiss on balcony "here everything is soft")
Clone Kid (more articulate "this group was created 5 years ago")
Padme Amidala (yellow see-through dress from picnic by the waterfalls)
Owen Lars (Anakin's young step-brother)
Beru Whitesun (Owen's girlfriend)
Cliegg Lars (Shmi Skywalker's husband in hover chair)
Separatist Niemoidan (forgot his name, but it's not Rune in E2)
Separatist Quarren Senator Tikkes (Squidhead wearing red)
Separatist Tonbuck Toora (large mouse the size of a Whipid) - this may not be Tonbuck Toora afterall
Padme Amidala (from the Lars garage - "I killed them all")
Shmi Skywalker (beaten by the Tuskens and dying)
the blonde Jedi girl that goes "Haa!" Could be Jedi Quest character, Darra
Obi-Wan Kenobi - wounded by Dooku's saber
Dooku's pilot droid from hanger duel

Owen and Beru will be a consideration here. In both my AOTC and ROTS polls, they ranked very high. In filming, George Lucas shot the scenes for both movies in Tunisia on the same trip. So Joel Edgerton and Bonnie Peicies don't look any different in either movie. You add "baby Luke" to get the E3 effect, while have Owen's cloak be softgoods and removeable.

I think Owen and Beru (and I want these figures very badly) will do one of two things - by being on both movie lists):

1) Cement demand for them, as they'll rank for both AOTC and ROTS
2) waste votes from one movie or the other, since they're the same figures.

My recommendation would be to put them in the AOTC poll, since they had more to do and since the Separation of the Twins Obi-Wan already comes with Luke. Then on the ROTS poll, note they do not qualify should they place in the AOTC poll - which of course they will.

El Chuxter
02-12-2008, 01:33 PM
I can tell you now, my top three picks are going to live in an adobe hut in the middle of the Dune Sea.

Droid
02-12-2008, 01:59 PM
I am going to vote for Owen and Beru in both the Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith polls.

Doesn't Owen have a jacket in Attack and no jacket in Revenge?

Tycho
02-12-2008, 02:13 PM
I am going to vote for Owen and Beru in both the Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith polls.

Doesn't Owen have a jacket in Attack and no jacket in Revenge?

Yes. That's why I'm asking "wouldn't a removeable softgoods cloak suffice?"

Owen wears Luke's Tatooine clothes underneathe, implying that Luke's ANH outfit was a hand-me-down.

And Chuxter, the Lars family are among my top picks for as long as AOTC has been out.

Droid
02-12-2008, 04:19 PM
Yes. That's why I'm asking "wouldn't a removeable softgoods cloak suffice?"

No, a softgoods cloak would NOT suffice. I hate softgoods. They are almost always poorly fitting, bulky garbage. (Hermi Odle being a great exception.)

I don't care if they make both Episode II and III Owen, but I want his cloak to be sculpted on plastic if he has it.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-12-2008, 09:46 PM
Okay, here is the list I came up with the other day after starting with the one Tycho had and adding to it and editing it. It is far too big right now and I intend to post a smaller list when the poll starts. I just need to go back through and weed out the ones that you can't really see in the movie and others that seem rather non-descript.

Padmé
Padme Amidala -refugee disguise from Outland Peasant Freighter -
Padme Amidala (backless dress from first kiss on balcony "here everything is soft") -
Padme Amidala (from Senator's report to the Queen) -
Padme Amidala (from the Lars garage - "I killed them all")
Padme Amidala (Galactic Senate - from speech in deleted scene) -
Padme Amidala (Palpatine's Office / Private Apartment) -
Padme Amidala (yellow see-through dress from picnic by the waterfalls) -
Padme at her parents' house (deleted scene, blue dress, midriff showing) -
Pamde (nightgown from attack, also balcony scene with Anakin - removeable outer robe) -

Corde (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cordé) - Senator's Decoy from starship explosion
Dorme (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dormé) - Senator's Personal Aide
Captain Typho (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gregar_Typho) - regular duty uniform
Versé (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Versé) - Padmé's handmaiden also killed in explosion
JarJar Binks (Palpatine's Office / Padme's Apartment robes) -

Anakin Skywalker (Padme's apartment, non-preposed Jedi robes) -
Obi-Wan Kenobi - wounded by Dooku's saber -
Obi-Wan Kenobi (Padme's apartment, non-preposed Jedi robes) -
Obi-Wan Kenobi (wet, hood up in shell cloak, SA in 2nd Jedi robe underneathe) -

Jedi
Bairdon Jace (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bairdon_Jace) - Human Jedi
Barriss Offee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Barriss_Offee) - more articulation, relaxed pose
Galdos Stouff (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galdos_Stouff) - Sora Bulq's padawan
Ichi-Tan Micoda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ichi-Tan_Micoda) - human male Jedi
J.K. Burtola (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/J.K._Burtola) - Youngling who speaks
Jocasta Nu (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jocasta_Nu) - Jedi Librarian that helps Obi-Wan -
Joclad Danva (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Joclad_Danva) - Jedi
Khaat Qiyn (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Khaat_Qiyn) - female human Jedi
Liam (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Liam) - youngling
Nicanas Tassu (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nicanas_Tassu) - Jedi tossed lightsaber to Obi-Wan & Anakin
Que-Mars Redath-Gom (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Que-Mars_Redath-Gom) - Weequay Jedi
Roth-Del Masona (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roth-Del_Masona) - black male human Jedi
Sar Labooda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sar_Labooda) - female Chalactan Jedi
Sarrissa Jeng (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sarrissa_Jeng) - Young female Jedi - "Haaaaaah!"
Sephjet Josall (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sephjet_Josall) - Jedi tossed lightsaber to Obi-Wan & Anakin
Tan Yuster (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tan_Yuster) - Agan Kolar's padawan
Tarados Gon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarados_Gon) - Klatooinian Jedi

Dexter's Diner
Hermione Bagwa (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hermione_Bagwa) - Dexter's blonde human waitress with the garter
Honka (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Honka) - Rodian in Dexter's Diner
Lowle Ch'red (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lowle_Ch%27red) - Dexter's Diner woman in black
Rednax (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rednax) - Dug from Dexter's Diner
Seboca (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seboca) - Dug from Dexter's Diner
Sidewa (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sidewa) - Rodian in Dexter's Diner
Slyther Bushforb (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slyther_Bushforb) - Dexter's Diner with Dugs

Naboo
Queen Jamilla (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jamillia) - Queen of Naboo
Jobal Thule Naberrie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jobal_Thule_Naberrie) - Padme's mother- deleted scene
Naboo Holy Man (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Naboo_holy_man) - married Anakin & Padmé
Nandi (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nandi_%28Naboo%29) - Naboo resort waitress
Paddy Accu (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Paddy_Accu) - Naboo gondola
Pooja (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pooja_Naberrie) and Ryoo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ryoo_Naberrie) Naberrie - Padme's nieces (deleted scene) -
Ruwee Naberrie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ruwee_Naberrie) - Padme's father (deleted scene) -
Sio Bibble (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sio_Bibble) - 10 years older -
Sola Naberrie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sola_Naberrie) - Padme's Sister (deleted scene) -
Teckla (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Teckla) - Naboo resort serving girl

Kaminoan civilian -
Clone Kid (more articulate "this group was created 5 years ago") -

Tatooine
Cliegg Lars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cliegg_Lars) - Shmi Skywalker's husband
Beru Whitesun (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Young_Owen_and_Beru.jpg) - Owen's girlfriend
Owen Lars (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Young_Owen_and_Beru.jpg) - Anakin's young step-brother
RIC-920 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RIC-920) - rickshaw droid
Shmi Skywalker (beaten by the Tuskens and dying) -

Separatists
Denaria Kee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Denaria_Kee) - Separatist like Passel Argente
FA-4 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/FA-4_pilot_droid) - Dooku's pilot droid from hanger duel -
Gilramos Libkath (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gilramos_Libkath) – Neimoidian aide to Nute Gunray*
Rogwa Wodrata (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rogwa_Wodrata) - Separatist
Shu Mai's aide (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shu_Mai%27s_aide) – looks like her, wearing green.
Separatist Quarren Senator Tikkes (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tikkes)
*This character was later determined to actually be Rune Haako, even though it doesn't look like him.

Magaloof (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Magaloof) - alien aircar driver that almost hits Obi-Wan hanging on droid ("what the?!") -
Acros-Krik (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acros-Krik) - Coruscant

Outlander Club
Adnama (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adnama) - Outlander Club Amanda Lucas
Ame Llom (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ame_Llom) - Outlander Club green with hood
Artuo Pratuhr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Artuo_Pratuhr) - Outlander Club
Booton Piton (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Booton_Piton) - Outlander Club short human female hunter's cap
Bufon Taire (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bufon_Taire) - Outlander Bartender (black human male, grey suit) -
Cian Shee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cian_Shee) - Outlander Club
Civ Sila (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Civ_Sila) - Outlander Club
Daro Willits (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daro_Willits) - possibly half black, half-white human male with pony-tailed dreadlocks -
Di Mantid (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Di_Mantid) - Outlander Club - blonde black dress
Dyemma Reel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dyemma_Reel) - Outlander Club black leather jacket woman
Ganwick Trag (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganwick_Trag) - Outlander Club bartender
Hat Lo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hat_Lo) - Outlander Club crime boss with collar taller than head hiding human features -
Hayde Gofai (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hayde_Gofai) - Outlander Club - blonde
Immi Danoo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Immi_Danoo) - Outlander Club sexy blonde human female in short-shorts with cape -
Joshua Jinzler (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Joshua_Jinzler) - Outlander Club white hair reddish vest
Jynee Celwick (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jynne_Celwick) - Outlander Club waitress
Kalyn Farnmir (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kalyn_Farnmir) - Outlander Club bald woman
Kar Plaushe (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kar_Plaushe) - Outlander Club
Kell Borean (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kell_Borean) - Outlander Club
Lela Mayn (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lela_Mayn) - Outlander Club Amy Allen
Lillea Bringbit (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lillea_Bringbit) - Outlander Club
Lunae Minx (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lunae_Minx) - Lucas' daughter as Twi'lek female
Mya Nalle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mya_Nalle) or Yma Nalle (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yma_Nalle) - Outlander Club triplet Amy Allen
Nardi Shodu (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nardi_Shodu) - Outlander Club Rodian
Necil Sing (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Necil_Sing) - Asian human female with beaded veil was interested in Anakin -
Nic Whoma (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nic_Whoma) - Outlander Club Gran
Nyrat Agira (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nyrat_Agira) - sexy human chick with medusa spiked bruntte hair in red thong -
Oakie Dokes (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Oakie_Dokes) - Outlander Club Swokes Swokes
Onie Arkmen (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Onie_Arkmen) - Outlander Club
Onyeth Canavar (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Onyeth_Canavar) - Outlander Club Tarnab
Palee Ruda (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palee_Ruda) - Outlander Club veil over bottom of face
Reha Logg (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Reha_Logg) - Outlander Club
Reina March (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Reina_March) - Outlander Club
Ren-Quarr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ren-Quarr) - Outlander Club Quarren
Ror Ithh (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ror_Ithh) - Outlander Club Ithorian
Rosha Vess (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rosha_Vess) - purple haired sexy human chick with bikini top tattoos around her belly -
Seib Nod (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seib_Nod) - Outlander Club in red with face covering
Sel Maa (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sel_Maa) - Outlander Club - rainbow skin blonde beehive hairdo
Sir Mac (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sir_Mac) - Outlander Club - Bith Senator
Sne Wo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sne_Wo) - Outlander Club
Tas Kee (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tas_Kee) - Weequay pirate with blue hat + uniform, with Hat Lo -
Tyyx (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tyyx) - Outlander Club Rodian
Waks Burr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Waks_Burr) - Outlander Club Ishi Tib no pic
Whimper Save (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Whimper_Save) - Outlander Club woman with Dannl Faytonni
Wilst Molan (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wilst_Molan) - Outlander Club dancer
Yee Moh (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yee_Moh) - Outlander Club Neimoidian
Zey Nep (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zey_Nep) - Outlander Club female

Refugee Ship
COO-2180 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/COO-2180) - Droid cook on refugee ship
Nar Hida (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nar_Hida) - on refugee ship
Kaycee Kollenz (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kaycee_Kollenz) - on refugee ship
Gondrin Upal (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gondrin_Upal) - on refugee ship Nikto

Senate
Dar Wac (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dar_Wac) - Rodian in hologram
Fo Kuna (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fo_Kuna) - Anx aide to Zo Howler
Ister Paddie (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ister_Paddie) - Loyalist Senator wide hair
Lexi Dio (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lexi_Dio) - Loyalist senator female
Nor Wedd (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nor_Wedd) - Quarren aide to Tundra Dowmeia
Ronet Coorr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ronet_Coorr) - Senate midget from Iseno
Supi (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Supi) - aide to Orn Free Ta
Toonbuck Toora (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Toonbuck_Toora) – I still have yet to find him in the movies
Tundra Dowmeia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tundra_Dowmeia) = Quarren senator in red
Zil Topur (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zil_Topur) - Quarren aide to Tundra Dowmeia
Zo Howler (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zo_Howler) - Anx Senator

Mad Slanted Powers
02-14-2008, 09:15 PM
I've been going through the Outlander Club scene trying to eliminate figures from the list and so far I think I will delete these.


Artuo Pratuhr
Civ Sila
Hat Lo
Necil Sing
Oakie Dokes
Onyeth Canavar
Palee Ruda
Tas Kee

Also, there is a woman that can be seen to the left when Obi-Wan and Anakin enter at 22:06. She has a veil-like skirt and can be seen frequently throughout the club sequence. However, I cannot find any reference to her, or I'm not recognizing her in the pictures. Otherwise, I might add her to the list.

Tycho
02-14-2008, 09:58 PM
I'm not really worried about most of the Outlander obscurities. With as many Padmes and other speaking characters like Jamilla and the Lars still as of yet to be made, I think only the most obvious from the Outlander will be voted on out of a Top 25 list. In fact, going down the master possibilities list, I can come up with 25 figures that I want before ever getting to Outlander choices - though I'll try to pick one or two if I can.

It is not a lack of interest in Club Outlander on my part. It is that AOTC is still new enough that there are plenty of characters to mine from it and even improvements to the main cast that actually have a lot of merit.

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Next I'd like to discuss Toy Fair's impact on our poll:

The first movie poll (ANH) ends Sunday, Feb 24th, a week AFTER Toy Fair, and the EU poll expires a week from today, but 5 days after Hasbro's shown 3/4 of their 2008 wares (this Saturday, Feb 16).

I'd say that you could NOTE in a post which figures from any category (movie, EU) that Hasbro has shown in the poll thread, but don't pull them off the list until voting is finalized. If people want to waste their votes on something already coming out, then fine. They need to read or pay attention to Steve's posted news from his great efforts to cover this event. But I'd say you can save yourself some headaches by bumping characters off the list only after a poll closes, and advancing the runners-up.

Because of this complication, I wanted to wait and start this effort AFTER Toy Fair, but everyone's enthusiasm convinced some influential people that it was a good idea to do this now. Alrightee then.

Anyway, I think AOTC, ROTJ, and ROTS will all start after we know a lot of Hasbro's 2008 product plans.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-15-2008, 02:53 AM
You are probably right about the Outlander Club. The ANH Cantina had a lot of iconic figures because I think that scene was set up to showcase them. We got pretty good looks at a lot of characters, and it was meant to show a universe full of bizarre aliens. Luke probably hadn't seen aliens like that up close and personal before either. With the Outlander Club, everyone is just background extras like in any other movie. A few stand out, but bizarre aliens in bars is nothing new to us anymore.

So, I'll continue to trim the list down a bit. As you stated, there are plenty more notable figures that need to be made before we get to characters with a few frames of screen time. So, it won't matter too much if I leave a bunch of them off. They can still refer to the list in this thread or to the film, Wookieepedia, or other sources.

As for Toy Fair or any other announcement, feel free to let me know which figures have been announced. The ANH and EU polls are almost done, so it won't make much of a difference so I'll just leave those for now and take off any announced figures after the poll is done. If we learn of anything before the next polls start, we can take them off the list. Otherwise, I can note during the process of any updates. More importantly will be to make sure everything announced is removed before Phase 2 begins.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-16-2008, 03:13 PM
I found this site - http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/ - that has some good references for Padmé's outfits. It looks like the Coruscant nightgown is different from the Naboo one. I'm going to just include the Naboo version on the list since it includes the robe. Also, it was a longer scene, while we barely see the Coruscant gown in the film. It's not likely they'd make a Padmé in her nightgown figure anyway.

Also, the report to queen outfit is the same as the refugee outfit I think. I added the outfit she was wearing when they were packing to leave Coruscant.

pegger
02-16-2008, 04:10 PM
It's not likely they'd make a Padmé in her nightgown figure anyway.



Except for this (http://threads.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http:%2F%2Fthreads.rebels cum.com%2Fphotogallery%2Fwatermark.php?file=52817&imagewidth=640&imageheight=480)one!!!

Tycho
02-16-2008, 04:33 PM
That looks to be Padme from ROTS. She'd likely be sculpted pregnant and thus unusable for AOTC scenes.

Must be from the Padme Evolutions set? It's too bad the AOTC figure looks to be the white Droid Factory outfit AGAIN.

I'll have to see which figure was made for TPM. Hopefully its one of the 3 never made before.

pegger
02-16-2008, 04:47 PM
That looks to be Padme from ROTS. She'd likely be sculpted pregnant and thus unusable for AOTC scenes.

Must be from the Padme Evolutions set? It's too bad the AOTC figure looks to be the white Droid Factory outfit AGAIN.

I'll have to see which figure was made for TPM. Hopefully its one of the 3 never made before.

It is the ROTS one - I was more commenting that there is now a Padme in a nightgown - that excuse is no longer valid for AOTC

The TPM Padme is here (http://threads.rebelscum.com/imagepopup.php?imagename=http:%2F%2Fthreads.rebels cum.com%2Fphotogallery%2Fwatermark.php?file=52815&imagewidth=640&imageheight=480), which is a highly asked for one...

Mad Slanted Powers
02-16-2008, 05:04 PM
That looks to be Padme from ROTS. She'd likely be sculpted pregnant and thus unusable for AOTC scenes.

Must be from the Padme Evolutions set? It's too bad the AOTC figure looks to be the white Droid Factory outfit AGAIN.

I'll have to see which figure was made for TPM. Hopefully its one of the 3 never made before.
The Arena Padmé looks like it has that head covering that I just noticed from that site I linked to in the last post. It wasn't used in the film though. I don't mind another Arena Padmé if done right. The first one had the action feature and extreme pose. The second one was meant to be posed running since one leg was kind of curved. I haven't opened the TSC version to see how that one works, but it looks to have the same problem.

If that is the purple TPM Amidala, then we'll be able to cross that one off the list. It was on Tycho's list and is in the top 5 so far in the TPM poll.

Edit - I just looked at it closer and it appears that the TPM one is the pre-senate Padmé. That one isn't doing as well in the TPM poll as the purple return to Naboo and black post-senate versions. So, I guess it is good that they have done that one because it will be less likely to rank high on our new list.

Tycho
02-16-2008, 05:09 PM
If that is the purple TPM Amidala, then we'll be able to cross that one off the list. It was on Tycho's list and is in the top 5 so far in the TPM poll.

No. It's the yellow Pre-Senate Queen from Palpatine's office. My guess is that Hasbro (correctly) figured the Purple Return to Naboo Queen would sell better on a single card anyway. I still bet they make her. They made a Portrait Edition 12".

Mad Slanted Powers
02-16-2008, 05:17 PM
No. It's the yellow Pre-Senate Queen from Palpatine's office. My guess is that Hasbro (correctly) figured the Purple Return to Naboo Queen would sell better on a single card anyway. I still bet they make her. They made a Portrait Edition 12".

Yeah, I edited my previous post after I took a closer look at it. I have that 12 inch Return to Naboo version, and it is very nice. Since it is in the top 5 of our TPM poll so far, there is a good chance it will make the final list. It is one of the yet to be made figures from your list, where it ranked #35.

I'm still trimming the AOTC list down a bit. I got rid of some of the obscure Jedi and I'll remove some more senators and Outlander Club patrons.

JediTricks
02-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Ok, what's the priority for getting write-ins added to the list? The ESB poll has a load of write-ins for Luke Snowspeeder SA, that seems like more than ample reason to add him to the list.


Anyway, I've added ESB to the news.

Tycho
02-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I think MSP's post at the start of each thread says the lists are just suggestions. You can rank whatever you want in your own personal list. If enough people do so, the character could make the list.

I know you can edit posts as a super-mod JT. So just let MSP know you want to add something and stick it in.

It really should be done almost immediately as by the time you post it in the news, many people have voted already and what's done is done.

I don't like going back over my lists and changing them. But that's just me. Plus if I was doing the tally like MSP is, it'd annoy the heck out of me if everyone was changing their votes.

The mainstays are really well covered though. Meanwhile, I'm going to post the ROTJ possibilities list. Like I mentioned, it's a possibilities list that people can add to, write in their favorites, whatever. It just gets people started.

Thankfully Yarna is done, so that's out of the way.

BRB with the ROTJ list to help MSP develop for the next poll.

Tycho
02-18-2008, 10:06 PM
MSP, friends, here's the ROTJ starter list from the scene-by-scene poll:

Shasha Teil Ishi Tibb
the bird-head droid with the needle nose -
Ultimate Han Solo Carbonite
Sandstorm Slave Leia
Sandstorm Skiff Lando
Klaatu a green Nikto from Kenner's vintage collection
white human guard who shoots Luke's hand has helmet with antlers -
black human courtier stands behind Jabba, goes on sailbarge -
Sgt Doaylln has tank on his head gets thrown against wall when Boussh enters
R2D2 w. Launching lightsaber complete redo
Nikto alternative for those not convinced Kenner's was redone
Weequay alternative version, tan padding on chest
Slim Aloo Imperial Dignitary made as vintage figure in the 80's
Dresselian Rebel PruneFace's species, but no eye-patch
human B-wing pilot red uniform made as vintage figure in the 80's
black X-wing fighter pilot from Executor attack "She's going to blow!" -
Grey Leader Asian Y-wing pilot in gray uniform "I'm hit!"
Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight Death Star II (no tunic vest)
Lando Calrissian Ewok Celebration (slightly different from General's uniform) -
Master Yoda spirit / ghost done like new Dagobah Obi-Wan
R2-D2 shield bunker blasted open all gadgets sticking out everywhere -
old bearded man Endor Soldier in stolen Bikerscout uniform -
Mother Ewok with baby Wokling - possibly.
Paploo non-flying resculpt
Lumat
Warok
Keeolkeech

I'm sure there are more, but others will have to add them. This encompasses every figure we polled for before, plus I added Sandstorm figures of the characters we're not slated to get yet (Leia, Lando). I think the B-wing pilot should stay on until we see a picture. And still, some (like myself) would like the option to buy him carded instead of with another vehicle as a pack-in.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-18-2008, 10:56 PM
I wasn't going to bother with editing the original lists I post. As Tycho said, they are just suggestions to help people out. Many of the write-ins have been resculpts or obscure characters. I had a lot more AOTC ones as you can see by the list I posted in this thread, but I figured it would be easier to sort through with a shorter list. As it was, I had quite a time deciding on my top 25.

I figure it is easier for me to change people's votes if they see a write-in that they want to add. What I do is copy the lists into a spreadsheet, one voter per column. Then I copy those into another sheet where I have the points in the first column, their vote in the second column and their name in the fourth column. Since not everyone describe the figure exactly the same, the third column is where I put a uniform name for their votes. Then I do a pivot table and that turns the list into a table with the points summed up for me. Since I redo the pivot table frequently, changing votes is just a matter of getting rid of person's previous votes and putting in the new ones. The recalculation is something I am going to do anyway.

As for ROTJ, I've gotten a bit behind on that since I was spending so much time obsessing over the AOTC list. I'll work on that tomorrow night. Bigbarada had a lot of suggestions as well, being the skiff guard expert that he is.

JediTricks
02-19-2008, 12:16 AM
I thought we already cleared up this "edit the list" thing with ANH, when MSP gave me new entries to add to the list. I don't really like the idea that we're presenting a poll with "suggestions" instead of options, the number of write-ins is generally significantly lower than poll options in any sort of voting. Nobody really spends a lot of time reading all the other votes looking for write-ins, and they're less likely to think of it on their own as well. You wouldn't like it if I ran the Hasbro Q&As like that because nothing off-list would get more than a single vote usually.

But I'm not going to edit these threads without the author's permission unless something is wrong or violates the rules either.


BTW Tycho, I let the polls run a week before posting in the news.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-19-2008, 02:12 AM
I'll save edits to the original post for things like when we decided to count the Saurins as one item. The lists I started with were from Tycho's scene-by-scene poll, so he should have covered most of the significant stuff. I added on a lot more. Other than resculpts, the write-ins are figures that wouldn't rank too high. I've linked to the Wookieepedia pages which list pretty much everything. Just like voting in a real election, some people will take the time and research and put some thought into the list, while others will not.

bigbarada
02-21-2008, 03:31 PM
Nikto alternative for those not convinced Kenner's was redone


Who needs to be convinced? Kenner's figure hasn't been redone, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. It's clear that the vintage Nikto and the 1999 POTF2 Nikto are two completely different characters. One was on the Skiff (vintage version), the other was a gunner on the Sail Barge (POTF2 version).

Plus, there is the third Nikto (Vedain) who Lando wrestled with before falling off the Skiff. That particular Nikto has only been made as Galactic Heroes figure.

Anyways, here's my starter list from the Toy Fair thread:

Skiff/Sail Barge Guards:
1. Kithaba
2. Queequay
3. Vedain
4. Velken Tezeri
5. Giran
6. Doallyn
7. Nikto (vintage Nikto)
8-10. 3 human skiff guards
11. the human who shot Luke's hand on the Sail Barge
12. the human gunner that Leia took out
13. Wooof (vintage Klaatu)
14. Weequay Sail Barge Guard that Luke threw out the window
15. Nikto Sail Barge Guard who pops out of the trap door.

Jabba's Palace:
16. Ishi Tibb #1
17. Ishi Tibb #2
18. Cane Adiss
19. female dancer (Mara Jade)
20. black human guard who looks at Threepio suspiciously when Chewbacca is brought in
21. bearded human guard who seems to be unnaturally attracted to Sy Snootles

Rebel Briefing Room:
22. Grey-suited Y-Wing Pilot
23. Red-suited human B-Wing Pilot
24. Rebel Dignitaries
25. Rebel Officers
26. Prunefaces that are not Orrimarko
27. Ishi Tibbs

Ewoks/Endor Battle:
27-28. the two Ewoks who helped Chewie hijack the AT-ST
29. Ewok glider pilot with the brown fur and white cheeks
30. mother Ewok
31. Lumat
32. Warok
33 - ?. there are easily 10-20 more Ewok figures that could be made
34. white/blonde bearded Rebel Trooper
35. white/blonde bearded Rebel Trooper in Biker Scout disguise
36. female Rebel Trooper
37. Lando Calrissian Ewok Celebration

Resculpts/Updates:

1. Admiral Ackbar
2. Nein Nunb
3. Mon Mothma
4. Ishi Tibb (resculpt of the 1998 figure)
5. Mon Calamari officer
6. Gamorrean Guard
7. Yak Face
8. Ree-Yees
9. EV-9D9
10. Barada
11. Leia Ewok Celebration
12. Luke Jedi
13. Luke Final Duel
14. Han Carbonite
15. Emperor's Royal Guard (without the silly EU armor)
16. The Emperor
17. Pruneface (Orrimarko)
18. Wicket
19. Logray
20. Paploo
21. Teebo
22. R2-D2 launching saber
23. Oola
24. Weequay

El Chuxter
02-21-2008, 03:34 PM
I forget her name, but there's also a black-haired female dancer in a skintight dark outfit who worked as a low-profile security guard for Jabba. Also Beedo (Greedo's brother, supposedly) and the human B'omarr Monk.

bigbarada
02-21-2008, 03:37 PM
Slim Aloo Imperial Dignitary made as vintage figure in the 80's


I forgot to add him to my list, but I'm not 100% convinced that he hasn't already been remade.:p

Mad Slanted Powers
02-21-2008, 07:54 PM
I forget her name, but there's also a black-haired female dancer in a skintight dark outfit who worked as a low-profile security guard for Jabba. Also Beedo (Greedo's brother, supposedly) and the human B'omarr Monk.I've come across two women. The one you are referring to might be Laudica. She had dark hair and was wearing red. There was also Jess, who had blonde hair with blue streaks in it.

I've been working on the list and have been trying to sort out who all the people were and organize them by location. I probably won't include all the minor ones, but it should be a good representation. I'll try and get something posted tonight.

El Chuxter
02-21-2008, 10:30 PM
Yeah, Laudica. Jess was the one who was often mistaken for Mara early on, despite Mara not being based on anyone in the movie.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-21-2008, 11:56 PM
Here's a preliminary list. I'll continue to make revisions and suggestions as to whether I should add or subtract from it. I'll start the poll sometime on Sunday. Also, let me know if any of those links don't work.


Admiral Ackbar (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ackbar) - resculpt
Nien Nunb (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nien_Nunb) - resculpt
Funeral pyre Vader
Lando Calrissian Ewok Celebration (slightly different from General's uniform) -
Luke Skywalker Jedi Knight Death Star II (no tunic vest) -
Master Yoda spirit / ghost done like new Dagobah Obi-Wan -
R2-D2 shield bunker blasted open all gadgets sticking out everywhere -
R2D2 w. Launching lightsaber complete redo -


Jabba's Palace
Ardon Crell (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ardon_Crell) - seen when Boba nods at Boushh
Beedo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Beedo) - Greedo's cousin
BG-J38 (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BG-J38) - bird-head droid with the needle nose
Cane Adiss (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cane_Adiss)
Fozec (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fozec) - black human takes Han to dungeon
Gauran Nas Tal (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gauron_Nas_Tal) - Saurin
Geezum (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Geezum) - Snivvian on sail barge
Jess (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jess) - blonde woman with bikini and blue highlights in hair
Lathe (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lathe) - Nikto
Laudica (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Laudica) - woman in red
Nizuc Bek (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nizuc_Bek) - human with beard, Luke used Force to take his blaster
Oola (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Oola) - resculpt
Pucumir Thryss (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pucumir_Thryss) - black human
Rayc Ryjerd (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rayc_Ryjerd) - Asian looking guy with mustache
Rennek (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rennek) - black human courtier stands behind Jabba (he's a nerf herder!)
Shasa Tiel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shasa_Tiel) - Ishi Tib
TT-8L (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TT-8L_gatekeeper_droid) - Jabba entry guard (The "eye" droid)
Vul Tazaene (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vul_Tazaene) - bald guy, black outfit
Wooof (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wooof) - Nikto (like vintage Klaatu)
Worrt (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Worrt) - Frog creature (outside Jabba's palace)
Yoxgit (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yoxgit) - Ugnaught in red/orange outfit

Imperials
Giant mouse droid (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_mouse_droid)
Commander Igar (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Igar) - Turns Luke over to Vader
Sim Aloo (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sim_Aloo) - Imperial Dignitary made as vintage figure in the 80's
Imperials in blue uniforms (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Imperial_personnel_%28Death_Star_II%29)
Imperial - grey uniform - pretty much same as one being voted on in ESB poll, remake of scanning trooper

Rebel Briefing
Dresselian Rebel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dressellian) - PruneFace species, but no eye-patch
Karie Neth (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karie_Neth) - female X-Wing pilot
Olander Brit (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Olander_Brit) - Rebel Officer
Rebel tech (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/S%27Too_Vees) - brown uniform
Ten Numb (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ten_Numb) - correct red outfit
Walex Blissex (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Walex_Blissex) - Rebel Officer
Rebel tech with trooper helmet
Red R3
White R5

Rebel Pilots
Arvel Crynyd (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arvel_Crynyd) - Green leader
Grizz Frix (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grizz_Frix) - black X-wing fighter pilot from Executor attack "She's going to blow!"
Horton Salm (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Horton_Salm) - Gray Leader
Jake Farrel (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jake_Farrell) - "I copy gold leader" A-Wing pilot
Keir Santage (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Keir_Santage) - X wing pilot with mustache (who dies inside DS)
Nik Sant (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nik_Sant) - old bearded man Endor Soldier in stolen Bikerscout uniform -
Lt. Telsij (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telsij) - Y-Wing pilot "There's too many of them" - (He was in POTF2 cinema scene pack with wrong color outfit and wrong name (Arvel Crynyd)
Y-Wing Pilot (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unnamed_Gray_Squadron_Y-wing_Pilot) - Asian Y-wing pilot in gray uniform "I'm hit!" -
human B-wing pilot red uniform made as vintage figure in the 80's -

Ewoks
Kazak (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kazak) -
Lumat (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lumat) -
Rabin (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rabin) - I think this is the one that says "That guy's wise"
Warok (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Warok)
Wuta (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wuta)
Mother Ewok with baby Wokling -
Paploo non-flying resculpt


Prisoner Skiff
Kithaba (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kithaba) - Looks like Barada but with red pants
Vedain (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vedain) - Nikto
Velken Tezeri (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Velken_Tezeri) - first victim of Sarlacc - human with black scarf over face
2nd Weequay
Weequay resculpt

Second Skiff
Sgt. Doallyn (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Doallyn) - Helmeted guy at front of skiff (Wookieepedia says this is not actually Doallyn, but just looks like him)
Gailid (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gailid) - human skiff guard 2nd skiff in yellow suit
Giran (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Giran) - Nikto with Malakili and on 2nd skiff (Wookieepedia says only it is the same mask, not the same person)
Nikto guard (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Kajain%27sa%27Nikto) - unknown Nikto similar to vintage version
human with helmet that Luke kicks
shirtless human

Sail Barge
Nysad (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nysad) - Nikto on barge came up from hatch
Taym Dren-garen (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taym_Dren-garen) - white human guard who shoots Luke's hand has helmet with antlers -
Yotts Orren (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yotts_Orren) - Nikto

bigbarada
02-22-2008, 12:56 AM
Looks good to me, some things I'd like to add:

You might want to mention that Vedain was the Nikto who fought with Lando before going over the edge of the Skiff:
http://www.officialpix.com/estore/proddetail.asp?prod=SW%2D2087&cat=16
http://www.officialpix.com/estore/proddetail.asp?prod=D%5FW%5FIA%5F180&cat=16
(the only photos of them that I can find)

Here's the human Sail Barge gunner that Leia takes out:
http://www.officialpix.com/estore/proddetail.asp?prod=EP6%5FKEY%5F123&cat=16
(I think his name is Rendi Kwayd :D )

Ewoks:
Here's the Ewok with a single white "eyepatch"
http://www.officialpix.com/estore/proddetail.asp?prod=SW%2D1589&cat=16

And the Ewok with white cheeks who was seen flying the glider:
http://www.officialpix.com/estore/proddetail.asp?prod=SW%2D2101&cat=16

I like those two Ewoks, but have no idea if any sort of identity has been assigned to them.

Also, I'd like to add possible resculpts for the Mon Calamari Officer and maybe Mon Mothma.

Droid
02-22-2008, 10:45 AM
Could you add:

Colonel Jendon

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jendon

He piloted Vader's shuttle and had more lines of dialogue than any other unproduced character from Return of the Jedi.

And please add: Hoover

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoover

A funny critter from Jabba's Palace that actually was a part of a Jabba's Palace model kit that I had when I was a kid. (And now that Yarna has been made is the only character from the model kit not made in the basic line).

I also intend to vote for a Slave Leia figure that could sit/recline on Jabba's throne, a Gamorrean Guard recsulpt (though I do love the first sculpt) that can hold a pike since few of them had axes, and a Jerjerrod resculpt (I know we'll never get one, but it is one of the worst sculpts ever in the line and I'm voting for it!).

Mad Slanted Powers
02-23-2008, 03:12 PM
Could you add:

Colonel Jendon

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jendon

He piloted Vader's shuttle and had more lines of dialogue than any other unproduced character from Return of the Jedi.

And please add: Hoover

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoover

A funny critter from Jabba's Palace that actually was a part of a Jabba's Palace model kit that I had when I was a kid. (And now that Yarna has been made is the only character from the model kit not made in the basic line).

I also intend to vote for a Slave Leia figure that could sit/recline on Jabba's throne, a Gamorrean Guard recsulpt (though I do love the first sculpt) that can hold a pike since few of them had axes, and a Jerjerrod resculpt (I know we'll never get one, but it is one of the worst sculpts ever in the line and I'm voting for it!).I'll add Hoover, Leia and the Gamorrean. I think the Imperial you want is Captain Yorr (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yorr). He was the one that spoke, while Jendon was silent. I've also added Lt. Endicott (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endicott) - "Inform the commander that Lord Vader's shuttle has arrived."

I don't think I've seen Hoover in the film. I just today discovered BG-J38 standing near the entrance during the Jedi Rocks scene.

Droid
02-23-2008, 04:52 PM
Thanks! Yes, I don't know which pilot I want; I'd like the one that had the dialogue!