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Tycho
12-30-2007, 12:35 AM
Pepto-Bismol: why is it called that anyway? Was there a Mr. Pepto and a Mr. Bismol and one threw up and the other had brown water? So they got together and started a club for people with digestive disorders?

I could wikipedia this if I was really interested, but I'm not really worried. Someone here will and they'll then provide us with the history of Pepto-Bismol.

Anyway, it's 10:30 on Saturday night and I just returned home from Wal-Mart with some of the pink juice and a 12-pack of toilet paper (double-size - so it's like actually having 24 rolls).

Before that I just went to an all-you-can-eat salad bar place and took it easy, but I still just lost it all in a sacrafice to the porcelain god.

If all my vitals somehow leak out of me, as they have been since Christmas (and it's now the 29th), I have thus left no doubt as to my cause of death. Ever since my last brush with the Grim Reaper in 2005, I have no idea what will do me in. So I start a thread every now and then if I have cause.

Tonight I have such cause - both to post and to flush a lot.

Anyway, I took the recommended dose for adults, 2x 30ml as measured in the metered cup that the bottle comes with. It's thick and doesn't taste as good as Amoxicillan - the other pink medacine I'm familiar with that you have to refridgerate.

Pink is a cool color for medacine though - it tricks you into thinking it will taste good. Pepto-Bismol doesn't taste bad. It's just not anything to brag about.

Anyway, the real question is how well it will work. The directions said I can take the recommended does every half hour for up to 8 hours (that's 16 doeses or 32 "shots") if I understand the directions right. I hope it won't come to that, as I'd prefer to be in bed sleeping in like 2 more hours anyway.

But if I can't sleep, I now have this handy thread to report the medacine's progress in.

I have never really taken Pepto-Bismol before, and certainily not analyzed my use of it. So this is a historic first that you're all priviledged to witness.

Let there be pink!

El Chuxter
12-30-2007, 12:47 AM
I used to have problems with stress-induced runs (not quite IBS, but it could be as unpredictable). Trust me. Pepto is useless. Immodium is the pharmaceutical equivalent of shoving a cork up your butt.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 12:51 AM
Is Immodium Over-the-Counter?

Oh, I almost forgot: when I was checking out at Wal-Mart - and I never even went to the toy isle AT ALL! (when you're sick, you're sick) - the lady cashier was yacking it up with the customers before me who were buying after-Christmas discounted gift baskets.

She noticed me staring daggers at her and she smiled and asked "how I was doing?" I explained that I was trying to hold very still so that I wouldn't have diarhea all over the place. The people behind me left for another line and the cashier really hurried up then.

2-1B
12-30-2007, 03:52 AM
Enough already. We get the idea.

plasticfetish
12-30-2007, 04:17 AM
Someone here will and they'll then provide us with the history of Pepto-Bismol.Here's the link...

http://www.pepto-bismol.com/history.shtml

Kidhuman
12-30-2007, 07:08 AM
I used to have problems with stress-induced runs (not quite IBS, but it could be as unpredictable). Trust me. Pepto is useless. Immodium is the pharmaceutical equivalent of shoving a cork up your butt.

From someone with severe stomach issues, that post above is he Gospel

jjreason
12-30-2007, 08:08 AM
Pepto-Bismol = black poo (weird, since it is so vibrantly pink).

Immodium = no poo (and I'm NOT kidding - do NOT take more than the minimum recommended dose until you see how this stuff affects you).

Tycho
12-30-2007, 11:40 AM
I slept well, but I've only been awake about 15 minutes and had to make 3 trips for blackwater - and I'm not talking about the military subcontractor.

I'm not sure if I have stomach problems such as the flu, or if this is an issue with all the fluid my body has retained due to kidney malfunction, trying to drain.

Today is Dec. 30 and my nephrologist appointment is Jan 4. Because of the holiday, I doubt I can see a specialist any sooner than that.

Therefore I may not experiment with Immodium and just try and cope with the Pepto Bismol until Friday, hoping things will get better. This is all new to me. I will call the doctor's office tomorrow, but my bet is that I won't hear anything except to make my schedueled appointment next Friday.

Caesar, there's a degree to which the subject is funny or disgusting enough to be another "annoying Tycho thread," (that brings a little enjoyment to me for instigating it) but on the other hand, this may turn out to be more seriously related to my symptoms and I may wind up having to follow the thread from a hospital / patient internet station. I sincerely hope not. But at least even that won't come as a suprise in light of this thread.

I f'n hate health issues as since August 2005, they've suddenly become quite the personal reality for me.

El Chuxter
12-30-2007, 12:32 PM
I believe there are multiple strengths of Immodium, and one may be by prescription only. Get the normal, not the extra-strength OTC. Like a few others have said, you may be constipated for three or four days. Also, the chewable ones taste like what they're supposed to keep in.

jjreason
12-30-2007, 01:36 PM
The only Immodium pills I've had are the nickel-sized, light green minty ones (which I'm sure were chewable) - and they weren't that bad.

JediTricks
12-30-2007, 04:48 PM
Modern Pepto-Bismol is basically an antacid and aspirin. Because of the aspirin being harmful to your kidneys Tycho, you should really contact a physician before using Pepto (which isn't even particularly useful for your problem despite their bogus commercials claiming otherwise).


Immodium locks you up, it works really well for cramping and diarrhea, it's OTC and generally keeps you from going for about 12 to 15 hours, so your body has time to correct what was going on. I had an immodium break in half on me last week and half fell into the sink and disintegrated immediately in the leftover moisture from when I had just washed my hands, luckily the other half did the trick. They're teeny pills too.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 05:11 PM
Thank you for the advice on Immodium, guys. I may make the switch right away as I just finished a whole bottle of Pepto and I have to restock.

My problem is slightly better for the moment, but I can't say for sure as I've been asleep most of this time between now and my last post (about favorite figure polling).

Now with no food in the house, time to get a haircut, and Immodium, I will shortly venture out in the larger world.

JediTricks
12-30-2007, 05:25 PM
Imodium is the brand name, Loperamide is the drug name. From what I can tell, loperamide doesn't have "contact a doctor if you have..." warnings for anything to do with the kidneys, though I did find one of those references to liver disease.


Tycho, did you really drink an entire bottle of Pepto in half a day? That's unwise, even for those with healthy kidneys that much aspirin can do you damage, you can get tinnitus if nothing else. The maximum recommended dosage of Pepto is 8 single doses in a 24 hour period.

Tycho
12-30-2007, 05:31 PM
I followed the directions on the smallest bottle.

It said 30ml (one of their shot glasses) times 2, every half-hour as needed.

I had:

2 @ 10:30
2 @ 11:00
2 @ 11:30 and I went to bed

2 @ 8:30 and I went back to sleep
2 @ 10:30 and I slept more at some point
2 @ 12:30
2 @ 2:30

I guess that was the 420ml bottle. So if a single dose is 60 ml, I had less than the maximum for a 24hr period.

JediTricks
12-30-2007, 06:03 PM
No, for both strengths it says (http://www.pepto-bismol.com/liquid.shtml) 1 adult dose is 30ml which is 2 tablespoons, not 30ml x2, that'd be a double dosage. And it's every half hour to hour as needed, but not to exceed 8 doses in a 24 hour period for regular strength (4 doses for maximum strength). You took nearly double the maximum dosage for a healthy adult in around half the time. The maximum dosage is 240ml over a 24 hour period, you took 420ml over a 16 hour period. And the smallest bottle is about 350ml (it's 12 ounces), it sounds like you bought the 16 ounce bottle which is how you could down 420ml from it.

And with your PKD, you shouldn't be taking it at all without consulting a doctor (and even then, I'd suggest staying away since it's going to damage even healthy kidneys).

Tycho
12-30-2007, 08:52 PM
Well I'm on Immodium now. We'll see if it works. I had a very small lunch and still feel like I should throw up. :rolleyes:

I think I swallow air when I eat and drink. I need to watch that.

The chewable Immodium doesn't taste that bad. It's kind of like mint candy.

Anyway, because of New Year's, I can't see a doctor pretty much - plus why go to an emergency clinic when I have an appointment with my regular physician on Friday - in 4 days?

I'm just trying not to spend the next 4 days on the toilet. That's all.

JediTricks
12-31-2007, 03:36 PM
Imodium doesn't affect nausea, just diarrhea.

Swallowing air when you eat makes you burp.

Why go to the emergency? Oh, I dunno, so you won't OD on Pepto and your kidneys don't lose their last bit of function due to the salisylic acid in it. Don't just start taking random OTC drugs when you don't know how they'll affect you and you can't properly figure out the dosage. You may be a total pain in the ***, but I'd prefer you remain a live one.

2-1B
12-31-2007, 05:42 PM
Enough already. We get the idea.


Caesar, there's a degree to which the subject is funny or disgusting enough to be another "annoying Tycho thread," (that brings a little enjoyment to me for instigating it) but on the other hand, this may turn out to be more seriously related to my symptoms and I may wind up having to follow the thread from a hospital / patient internet station. I sincerely hope not. But at least even that won't come as a suprise in light of this thread.

Honestly Tycho, I'm sorry because I was absolutely hammered when I posted that (I can't figure out how I managed a post without any typos) and re-reading this thread, I think I was referring to the part about the cashier, the staring daggers, and the "how-you-doin?" part. So I probably thought you were talking about hitting on a girl or something like that, which clearly was not the case here.

I apologize for my rude post in light of your sincere health problems. I hope you feel better soon. Take care and please heed JT's advice.

Tycho
01-01-2008, 12:09 AM
Thanks Caesar. Meanwhile, I swear to you that I have never used the discussion of diarhea in order to tempt a member of the opposite sex! :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
01-01-2008, 01:23 AM
I tried that once, and it didn't work.

Tycho
01-01-2008, 09:22 AM
BTW, I spent New Years at home, by the toilet, sort of feeling cramped.

Things have hardened up a bit and I get all kinds of black, grey, and brown colors though.

I tried to eat yesterday:

I had a TV tray (Healthy Choice w.o. all the bad add-ins) chicken alfredo dish for lunch at 2pm. That went over OK.

Then I thought I was hungry and went at like 9pm to Denny's. I wanted the mini-burgers as I could just eat one and save 3-5 for later (I have to have a little protein every day).

They were actually out of mini-burgers. ???

Like an idiot, I ordered a regular burger and figured I'd just cut it up into 1/4's. It nearly made me sick looking at it and smelling it. I ate like 1/4 and then left the rest, not even taking anything home. Yuck.

I wasn't able to eat anything anyway. To be honest, I thought the fiber in a salad might be a little rough on me at this point. I get fiber in my mini-wheats I'm going to have for breakfast eventually when I don't feel like I'm going to throw up.

It's 7:20 am. I went to bed about 2 and so I need 3 more hours of sleep when I can get it, and I'll totally diminish my chances of feeling nauseous. It's very dependent on how well I sleep and how well I can breathe. (I'm breathing fine now - slept with a vaporizer on all night and can breathe really clearly, so that's good for the moment).

I'm going to look at a few more threads. I just took my blood pressure meds. And then I think I'll lie down again if I can't just get one slice of toast down.

mabudonicus
01-01-2008, 02:16 PM
Brother, I make VERY few "serious" posts but this is DEFINITELY one of them

look up "ayurvedic eating" or at least "ayurvedic diet" and DO what it SAYS man

You can probably improve your situation be leagues with it

IF you are serious about getting better/best Denny's is NOT the gateway bro, seriously get off your lazy fast-food arse and make yourself some real food dammit!!!!

Rock the F-ing positive- if you have a bad experience with something NEVER DO IT AGAIN man

Think about how awesome you are, how awesome things may become- any thought that donj't involve that or mousedroid-sniffin, just let those fade away. Much as I disagree with you I DO love you man, you sort yourself out or you'll be lookin at 6 feet of trouble- got it??
:beard: Iso & Baws
I'm SERIOUS here

jjreason
01-01-2008, 02:30 PM
Tycho, you know your health (and I know it doesn't work down there the same way it works up here for doctor visits & the associated costs)..... but isn't it time to head to the emerg or back to the doctor if you can't even eat? :(

Maybe a registered dietician could help you work something out so your not making things worse. Good luck, we really do all wish you the best.

El Chuxter
01-01-2008, 02:51 PM
mabs and JJ have some sound advice there. I'd also recommend learning to cook (it sounds from your menu above that you don't right now). You'll have more control over what you're eating, and can make sure that you're getting foods that agree with you. And it's surprisingly easy.

So much prepared food (especially in fast food and casual dining joints) is so full of chemicals that it's tough to know what you're getting and how it can affect you. Normally, I'm of the mind that it's okay in moderation, but it sounds like maybe you should try to eliminate eating out and using "quick fix" prepared foods, at least in the short term. Like JJ said, though, you should go to the doctor and discuss this. Not sure what sort of health plan you have, but many offer seminars and workshops with dieticians.

Tycho
01-01-2008, 04:39 PM
I agree with all 3 of your last posts. The problem was stuff being closed for New Year's Eve / Day, as well as my doctor being out.

My original appointment (regularly scheduled) was for tomorrow, but "how our medacine system works" is that he probably wants to stay where he's at, skiing or something, and he rescheduled with me for Friday.

My ex-girlfriend is a nurse and studying to become a dietician, and she is attending the appointment with me on Friday as well as planning on doing some training with me in the grocery store.

It's 2:30pm today and I haven't eaten anything. Mostly slept all morning. I'm hungry now. I need to eat immediately versus shop at the moment (we all know how we shop on empty stomachs anyway).

The Soup Plantation is a salad-bar place where you walk in and make yourself a salad with all-natural ingredients from the get-go. Then they have breads, fruit, juices, light pasta, and like 8 different soups-of-the-day of course, including chicken soup (and it's always my hope - cream of tomato).

You can't get more healthy or natural than that - and it's just as fast as any fast-food deal - but so much healthier. I'm going to check a few 'net threads, because my social life has come down to that, then grab a book or newspaper, and go out to eat. I'll grocery shop later - maybe first checking Mabs "ayurvedic eating" recommendation out and learning something new.

But guys: don't think I live on fast food. It's just the darn holiday and places being closed. It doesn't help - that's for sure.

UPDATE: ayurvedic diet as recommended by Mabs? (http://www.pioneerthinking.com/ss_ayurvedicdiet.html)

I am going to come back to read more of this Mabs, however I cannot have something salty for certain. Salt raises the blood pressure and kidney disease patients should never do that. Even when I ordered my junk food, I had the fries unsalted - they're sort of just potatoes without that - except it depends upon what kind of grease they're prepared in. I need to further review the ayurvedic diet, but I'd obviously have to make at least the ammendment to the sodium part of it from the get-go.

DarthBrandon
01-01-2008, 05:56 PM
Right on Tycho:thumbsup:,
I'm glad to see you are going to be getting some help from your doctor & an ex-girlfriend. Good to see you have some ex's helping you out here & there. Hopefully she can make night calls & give you a little bonus here & there. I DO HOPE all works out for you & that you get the care/transplant you need because the boards wouldn't be the same without you.

P.S. listen to mabs, he knows all about eating healthy & knows quite a bit about plants.:D

TeeEye7
01-01-2008, 11:01 PM
Right on Tycho:thumbsup:,
I'm glad to see you are going to be getting some help from your doctor & an ex-girlfriend. Good to see you have some ex's helping you out here & there. Hopefully she can make night calls & give you a little bonus here & there. I DO HOPE all works out for you & that you get the care/transplant you need because the boards wouldn't be the same without you.

P.S. listen to mabs, he knows all about eating healthy & knows quite a bit about plants.:D

A little ":beard: Iso & Baws" in one's soul goes a l o n g way, Josh! ;)
I know from first-hand experience! :thumbsup:

Tycho
01-01-2008, 11:44 PM
I may be the only one on this website who doesn't know what "Iso & Baws" means.

El Chuxter
01-01-2008, 11:47 PM
Ask mabs. I had to.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
01-02-2008, 12:20 AM
Ask mabs. I had to.
So did I, and I'm frankly STILL not completely sure.

mabudonicus
01-02-2008, 10:54 AM
Look into a book called "The Healing Cuisine", it is a pretty good overview of what works well for what overall- it's mostly Indian food so if you don't like that stuff you might not want to bother. People from that area of the world have a LOT of practice with knowing what common things can be used to influence just abolut everything to do with your body and its assorted functions, and overall they are MUCH more conscious of what the deal is with the stuff we ingest. (and contrary to popular myth, Indian food is not usually real hot- spicy, but spicy with spices and not necessarily actual hot stuff)

:beard: Iso & Baws- I suppose if it's making people wonder that's really most of the reason behind it- I'll try to explain the "meaning" for the benefit of the confused (plus I won't have to type this out ever again) The ":beard:" component, well, I'm sure most folks can understand that an emoticon that expressed the sentiment "beard" is fairly silly, so that's that part. Isobaws- okay, this is where it starts to get kinda abstract- I was talking on the phone to KH (knowing what his voice sounds like makes it a lot easier to get this part too, think a REAL strong NY accent) and I commented on how DAMN cold it was and he kinda scoffed and said "F-in Isobaws" just like that which made me CRACK up cos I kinda know what he meant yet the phrase itself was both funny in its delivery AND meaningless. The "&" was an even later addition- we somehow got on to how silly the word "ampersand" is and how the symbol itself is kinda pretentious through and through- trying to fancy up the word "and" is just ridiculous, kinda like when Prine changed his name totaht silly symbol, so "&" got added

Finally the "afterthought" which was another thing me and KH both kinda came up with- at first it was just a random fact about another ssg-er but it kinda evolved into a more "internal monologue" kind of thing (as pointed out to me by JJ recently whilst speaking)

So I hope that clears it up- sorry for the thread hi-jack fellows!!
:beard: Iso & Baws
I would think it makes even less sense to most folks now

Tycho
01-02-2008, 11:33 AM
I would think it makes even less sense to most folks now

Yup. But thank you for the attempt to help us understand this.

I still can't imagine what "F-in Isobaws" was supposed to mean in the first place.

Do they speak English in New York? (I mean the US citizens)

Do Californians ever sound like they have an accent to people from other regions?

mabudonicus
01-02-2008, 12:12 PM
Oh yeah, you guys have accents- Chux has a real strange accent in my mind. The only SSG-ers I've ever spoken with that DON't have what I would call a discernible accent are the local canucks- even DarthBrandon has a pretty noticeable accent when compared to JJ or the "late" SethQuinn (he just disappeared from this board but I know he's still in fine shape)

Oh and IF you wanna hear what our "Area" accent is you should give me a call Tycho, I'll PM ya my number if ya like, I'm not usually very busy, we could talk some STANSE ;)
:beard: Iso & Baws
IJG calls me a false-Canadian cos of my "lack" of what she iimagines to be a "proper" Canuck accent I guess

El Chuxter
01-02-2008, 01:13 PM
I have a "North-Carolinian-Virginia-in-SoCal-by-way-of-Pennsylvania" accent. I imagine it is strange.

It let to some real fun when my wife and I were going to the mountains and she said we could rent toboggans. Now, obviously I know that's a sled now, but those of you in North Carolina and some other areas of the South will know that there's a regional definition that is more widely used, namely, a knit cap.

Can I get an amen?

CaptainSolo1138
01-02-2008, 01:53 PM
IJG calls me a false-Canadian cos of my "lack" of what she iimagines to be a "proper" Canuck accent I guessNo way. If you don't have a Canadian accent, I would love to know what one would sound like. :D

:beard: Iso & Baws
mabudonicus says "hawkey" and answers statements made by others with "right, eh?"

El Chuxter
01-02-2008, 01:55 PM
I haven't yet heard mabs or jj say "aboot," I must admit. Other than that, just like what you'd expect the McKenzie brothers to sound like. (You guys know I mean that in the nicest possible way, eh?)

Though jj masks his accent pretty well when he's jamming with KG.

Rocketboy
01-02-2008, 01:57 PM
I remember Mabs denying he says "eh" and a minute or two later said "That's good beer, eh?"

Tycho
01-02-2008, 01:58 PM
Chux, I never heard an accent and we've met in person on numerous ocassions.

Do you think I have any accent? There might be a little Chicago left in me, but I'm pretty much SoCal.

CaptainSolo1138
01-02-2008, 01:59 PM
I haven't yet heard mabs or jj say "aboot,"When Slick, RB and I visited mabs someone made a crack about Canadians saying "aboot", to which mabs answered, "I don't know what you're talking aboot." Seriously. Funny stuff.

El Chuxter
01-02-2008, 02:02 PM
Tycho, I've never detected much of an accent. Your manner of speech actually reminds me a lot of a friend of mine in Richmond named James.

I'm serious. However, this James does not collect Star Wars toys, nor does he post on message boards about Star Wars toys. So he isn't the person you probably thought of first. :)

He is an encyclopedia of useless GIJoe knowledge, though.

mabudonicus
01-02-2008, 02:42 PM
LMFAO what a WEIRD thread...

Chux- no offense taken but SERIOUSLY we sound like the Mackenzie brothers?? Why not the Hanson Bros from slapshot??

RB- I admit we say "eh" a LOT- just not the way I've seen it done when folks are parodying us

I only say "aboot" when prompted- the pronunciation I use is a-BOW (like the bow of a boat, NOT a hunting bow)-t and that's basicaly how most of youse say it only with reginal accent variations (some folks for instance say it in a way that sounds like abeeyout and THAT sounds odd to me)

:beard: Iso & Baws

Interesting linguistical discussion- maybe we should all post sounclips of us saying the word "about" in a new thread called "about"

El Chuxter
01-02-2008, 02:56 PM
The MacKenzies were the first to come to mind, eh?

2-1B
01-02-2008, 06:37 PM
That's gonna be Tycho's porn name:

Richmond James

TeeEye7
01-02-2008, 07:30 PM
Do Californians ever sound like they have an accent to people from other regions?

Yessirree we do! I'm a native Californian who moved to New Orleans in my senior year of high school. My Spanish teacher, who was a native of New Orleans, wondered where my accent was from, because he liked it.

I've spent most of my life either in the Central Valley or LA Area....so I guess that's the accent I have :cool:!

Tycho
01-02-2008, 11:25 PM
I've spent most of my life either in the Central Valley or LA Area....so I guess that's the accent I have :cool:!

Like, Oh my Gawd! For reals? Totally!

TeeEye7
01-03-2008, 12:59 AM
Like, Oh my Gawd! For reals? Totally!

Fer sure, dude! ;)

Tycho
01-03-2008, 03:31 AM
Fer sherrrr, fur shizzle! Right on!

BanthaPoodoo
01-03-2008, 03:29 PM
This thread needs to be enshrined into a hall of fame somewhere.

Fantastic reading & I learned a bunch.

If nothing else what Iso & Baws meant. I have seen that everywhere here & had no idea what it meant but didnt want to seem out of it so never asked.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't Isobaws = Isobars?

Oh well... back to the lurkdome...

CaptainSolo1138
01-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't Isobaws = Isobars?For those of us who talk correctly it is. He's spelling it how KH pronounces it with his thick Noo Yawk accent.

BanthaPoodoo
01-03-2008, 03:58 PM
You know that & I know that, however, I was putting it out there because Tycho appears to not know what it was supposed to be


I still can't imagine what "F-in Isobaws" was supposed to mean in the first place.

Tycho
01-03-2008, 05:35 PM
I don't know what isobars are.

Help. I'm embarassed to actually turn to Google for this.

Somewhere, some place, the people who monitor Google searches will be laughing at me (more so than last night when I searched for.... nevermind auto-censored )

TeeEye7
01-03-2008, 08:08 PM
Isobars: as seen coast to coast!

Isobars: Canadian style ":beard: Iso & Baws"

jjreason
01-03-2008, 09:37 PM
"Certain weather maps allow us to view High and Low pressure systems that control the weather. An isobar is a line connecting locations of equal barometric pressure. Isobar maps show where pressures are relatively high and low, and show us where pressure changes are gradual or dramatic over a distance."

And here's the link where I plagiarized that from in case anyone wants to read more.

http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/weather/hsweathr/isobar.html

About the pronunciation thing - I, honestly, have found that Michiganders from the northern part have about as thick an accent as any Yanks I've met (including the large African American lady in Georgia that prayed for me loudly in Subway one time).

Pop to them is "pap"... and I can't even get my head around their "about" (the best I can do is "abaut", but that's not quite right unless you harden the "au" as in "Mauser").

Tycho
01-03-2008, 10:23 PM
Oh. That explains it. In California we don't really have "weather." :D

TeeEye7
01-04-2008, 01:20 AM
Oh. That explains it. In California we don't really have "weather." :D

Not here in the south, at any rate. :sad:

JediTricks
01-04-2008, 05:37 AM
Take care and please heed JT's advice.This is the most important statement made in this thread. :D



BTW, I spent New Years at home, by the toilet, sort of feeling cramped.

Things have hardened up a bit and I get all kinds of black, grey, and brown colors though.

I tried to eat yesterday:

I had a TV tray (Healthy Choice w.o. all the bad add-ins) chicken alfredo dish for lunch at 2pm. That went over OK.

Then I thought I was hungry and went at like 9pm to Denny's. I wanted the mini-burgers as I could just eat one and save 3-5 for later (I have to have a little protein every day).

They were actually out of mini-burgers. ???

Like an idiot, I ordered a regular burger and figured I'd just cut it up into 1/4's. It nearly made me sick looking at it and smelling it. I ate like 1/4 and then left the rest, not even taking anything home. Yuck.

I wasn't able to eat anything anyway. To be honest, I thought the fiber in a salad might be a little rough on me at this point. I get fiber in my mini-wheats I'm going to have for breakfast eventually when I don't feel like I'm going to throw up.

It's 7:20 am. I went to bed about 2 and so I need 3 more hours of sleep when I can get it, and I'll totally diminish my chances of feeling nauseous. It's very dependent on how well I sleep and how well I can breathe. (I'm breathing fine now - slept with a vaporizer on all night and can breathe really clearly, so that's good for the moment).

I'm going to look at a few more threads. I just took my blood pressure meds. And then I think I'll lie down again if I can't just get one slice of toast down.

It's a little late obviously, but for future reference, you should avoid eating anything greasy or from the fiber part of the food pyramid (stupid FDA vertical food pyramids) or milk-based when you have this problem. You should try to eat light until things are definitely out of the woods, such as the BRAT diet (bananas, rice, applesauce, and toast); and you absolutely MUST drink plenty of fluids - double your fluid intake if possible since your body is using the water you'd normally use to hydrate your system to instead flush out your digestive tract, leaving you in a water deficit.



Tycho, you know your health (and I know it doesn't work down there the same way it works up here for doctor visits & the associated costs)..... but isn't it time to head to the emerg or back to the doctor if you can't even eat? :(Actually, he really doesn't know his health that well when it comes to his diet, I'm always having to point out to him that his PKD says to stay away from all sorts of foods like sodium-rich and protein-rich, and he's ignorant of which foods are in those categories. For example, even the mini-burgers he's talking about trying to get are way too high in protein for his diminished kidneys to be able to handle, as I understand it, and they're packed with sodium to boot (as is the case with a lot of red meat).



The Soup Plantation is a salad-bar place where you walk in and make yourself a salad with all-natural ingredients from the get-go. Then they have breads, fruit, juices, light pasta, and like 8 different soups-of-the-day of course, including chicken soup (and it's always my hope - cream of tomato). You can't get more healthy or natural than that - and it's just as fast as any fast-food deal - but so much healthier.Souplantation is great, but it's not "all natural" and there's NOTHING light about their pastas, they're all high in fat. Almost nothing there is low in sodium, there is an information pamphlet with the nutritional info on everything near the front where you pick up the trays, read it sometime. I spend a lot of time there, usually 1 business lunch per week (it's not all that cheap).

You can check their website to see what soups and prepared salads they have that day.




Do they speak English in New York? (I mean the US citizens)My grandmother's originally from there, the answer is no. There is no such thing as a "hawvercraft", for example.


California is where other accents come to be eradicated, and then spend the rest of their lives complaining about how their homelands were better even as they refuse to go back to them.




That's gonna be Tycho's porn name:

Richmond James
I always figured it'd be Josh "The Weasel" Wieselberg even though his last name only looks like it rhymes with "weasel".

Tycho
01-04-2008, 08:54 AM
Thanks. I hate that misconception about how to pronounce my last name. Learn German, people!

I tried to purposely have more fiber when I had diarhea though, so I'd basically stop! I hate running to the bathroom every 5 minutes. I couldn't concentrate on my work on my book.

I'm not allowed to have bananas though. Higher potassium is very bad I'm told. I see my doctor TODAY.

By the way, I was referred to this special kidney diet (www.culinarykidneycooks.com) by folks I met in the support group ran by my transplant hospital. I need to read this still, but it is presumably all about what I SHOULD be eating.

The last time I had nutricianal counseling, my doctor said I still needed 70grams of protein per day. Every time you type a key on the keyboard, you're burning protein to move those muscles. You have to replace it (that's why you eat). Thus I can't have a totally no-protein diet.

All hamburgers are not made equal, but when I did read up on them, I learned that McDonald's 1/4 lb is about 40g of protein (remember, they try to give you as little beef and as much bread as possible so they can save money anyway). So not that I don't immediately get sick (usually) from eating there (so I don't), but in theory, I should be able to eat at MickeyD's twice a day if that were the only protein I took in (YUCK!)

"Mini-bar burgers" - think like White Castle, only freshly made like at Dave & Buster's, so they're not laden with chemical preservatives like frozen food can be - give you probably about the same amount of meat or less. Furthermore, since it is divided by 4 or 6 burgers, I can take half my order OUT and don't have to eat it all at once.

But I'll be recovering this ground with MY DOCTOR, TODAY.

I'm not totally ignorant of which foods are less healthy for me. I'm just more aware of which foods can taste great! But honestly, yes I do eat soup & salad a lot to stay healthier.

I'm going to take a referral to a nutricianist today.

JediTricks
01-06-2008, 03:24 PM
Yeah, German is such a beautiful language, and their people treated your ancestors so well. :p

No potassium, that really limits your intake then. Phosphorus too according to that page you just hit us up with, I transcribed the back of their card, here's their no-no list:
potassium: milk, yogurt, cheese - apricots, bananas, cantaloupe, dates, figs, guava, honeydew & most melons, grapefruit, persimmon, kiwi, mango, nectarine, oranges, papaya, pear, prunes, most dried fruits, avocado - bamboo shoots, beet greens, chard, chinese cabbage, potatoes unless blanched or soaked in water for extended periods, spinach, sweet potato, winter squash, tomato paste, tomato sauce, tomato juice, any vegetable juice - nuts & seeds, salt substitute (which is all potassium), dried beans & peas, chocolate.

sodium: deli meats, cured meats, canned meats - salt (duh), soy sauce, Accent, teriyaki sauce, bbq sauce, catsup - pancakes, waffles, ready-to-eat cereals, commercial rice & pasta mixes (aka rice-a-roni), salted pretzels, salted crackers, salted chips - canned vegetables with sodium, saurkraut, vegetable juices - processed cheese, boullion, broth, salad dressings, pickles, olives, soup, most frozen dinners.

phosphorus: milk, yogurt, cheese, ice cream - dried beans, dried peas - bran cereal, muffins, granola, grape-nuts, whole wheat crackers, whole wheat bread, bread containing oatmeal or dark rye, pancakes, waffles, corn tortillas - cola, chocolate drinks, beer, coffee drinks with milk - corn, green peas, snow peas, mushrooms - sardines, organ meats, liver, avocado, nuts & seeds, peanut butter, dried fruits, chocolate.
I know for a fact you eat probably a third of that on a regular basis - hell, your trips to Panda Express alone wipe out the sodium section (most fast food has ridiculous amounts of sodium in it, but especially chinese food).

Your nutritionist sounds like they don't know their job, that's a LOT of protein, more than the USRDA amount for a healthy adult. The human body can't even process more than around 25-30 grams of protein at a single sitting anyway due to processing issues in general and specifically amino acid buildup, and it's a slow-processing material. From what I've seen, 30 to 40g per day of protein is what is recommended for those with kidney ailments as high levels of protein - while safe for regular kidneys - speeds up decline in kidney function for those with even mild kidney impairment. Also, for someone with kidney disease, protein can end up passing into the urine creating proteinuria which can lead to its own brand of problems such as high blood pressure and cholesterol.

And you only need high amounts of protein when you are doing strenuous labor, your muscles don't burn off with low-stress actions the way you're suggesting. The average person needs around 60-65g of protein per day based on the amount of labor their muscles perform, and since you do a lot of resting, get winded fairly easily compared to prior days, and don't go to a job every day, you don't even need that much. Also, too much protein can lead to issues with acid, calcium, and insulin for anybody, so with your lower kidney function, your protein level is going to be lower and affect all those other things which then go back to affecting your kidney function.

Beef can also have a fair amount of phosphorous, cholesterol, and a modest amount of potassium.

Tycho
01-06-2008, 04:52 PM
Basically, I can eat nothing that I like (looking at the "no list" above). I realize that some of that in moderation is liveable, but to be on board the herse and not get one last trip through the drive-thru really makes it suck.

JediTricks
01-06-2008, 07:28 PM
Well, unfortunately that's part of the compromise of living, but the longer you live, the better your chances of getting a new kidney and then eating all the garbage you want. Until then, try to find contentment in the food you can eat, I guess.

Tycho
01-06-2008, 07:54 PM
See, it would be impossible.

What's a typical breakfast?

yogurt
milk & cold cereal (Honey Smacks maybe)
a bagel or cinnamon toast
maybe an orange

eggs in the morning automatically make me throw up and I don't go there.

forget steak, sausage, etc. for obvious reasons.

hash browns? If I'm eating out, as I don't make them myself.

MY SINS LAID BARE AT BREAKFAST:

potassium: milk, yogurt, cheese - apricots, bananas, cantaloupe, dates, figs, guava, honeydew & most melons, grapefruit, persimmon, kiwi, mango, nectarine, oranges, papaya, pear, prunes, most dried fruits, avocado - bamboo shoots, beet greens, chard, chinese cabbage, potatoes unless blanched or soaked in water for extended periods, spinach, sweet potato, winter squash, tomato paste, tomato sauce, tomato juice, any vegetable juice - nuts & seeds, salt substitute (which is all potassium), dried beans & peas, chocolate.

sodium: deli meats, cured meats, canned meats - salt (duh), soy sauce, Accent, teriyaki sauce, bbq sauce, catsup - pancakes, waffles, ready-to-eat cereals, commercial rice & pasta mixes (aka rice-a-roni), salted pretzels, salted crackers, salted chips - canned vegetables with sodium, saurkraut, vegetable juices - processed cheese, boullion, broth, salad dressings, pickles, olives, soup, most frozen dinners.

phosphorus: milk, yogurt, cheese, ice cream - dried beans, dried peas - bran cereal, muffins, granola, grape-nuts, whole wheat crackers, whole wheat bread, bread containing oatmeal or dark rye, pancakes, waffles, corn tortillas - cola, chocolate drinks, beer, coffee drinks with milk - corn, green peas, snow peas, mushrooms - sardines, organ meats, liver, avocado, nuts & seeds, peanut butter, dried fruits, chocolate.


Tell me you can name even a breakfast that avoids the no-no's. You can't. If you could, I'd be surprised if I'd want to eat it.

Again, I can have these things in moderation I suppose. And as far as breakfast is described above (my preferred breakfast that is), that's ALL of these items I will eat for the rest of the day.

Now typically, I do NOT eat anything again until like 5-6m (breakfast being between 7 and 9 am). My vomitting etc. discourages me from eating all day. As it stands, I have not had another meal TODAY since breakfast, save for the snacks of one mini-butter croissant and a Healthy Choice fruit popcycle (orange sherbert flavor).

I have been online a lot. I shaved and showered. And when that made me tired, I went back to sleep. Yes, I've been in bed for maybe 10-12 hours today, but I'm also sick with a headcold / cough, so that could explain part of that.

No, I don't work, but if someone is sleeping 10-12 hours a day (not always - and often a lot less actually) when would that person be able to work? While I inherited my disease from my father, I also inherited the financial freedom to not have to work, so it's a double-edged sword.

But instead of flying to New York to go night clubbing with Paris Hilton, I stay at home by a vaporizer, still shivering, with my heater on to 85 plus, and mostly sleeping.

I'm not asking for sympathy. I just don't want it thought that I behave like some infamous trust-fund brats when I have nothing of the sort like that kind of money, nor the energy or ability to do anything with it if I did.

Just look at my diet options and think about it if you could go to any restaurant and order anything, and then suddenly be restricted like that. My father chose to eat whatever he wanted and hurt himself by way of some of his choices (possibly - said my mother). Believe me, I now understand his choice.

JediTricks
01-08-2008, 07:37 PM
That's not my typical breakfast, though I do eat milk and grains for breakfast in some form (you've seen my breakfast, I did it every day during SDCC, remember?).

But I'd start with soy yogurt, rice-milk with cereal that's not too heavy in sodium (not that hard to find, probably will be wheat-based or rice-based or corn-based or a combination), and an apple. If you want to add meat, turkey or chicken sausage that's not cured or heavily-salted. You may have to shop at Whole Foods for some of that stuff, but they're extremely common now.


You cannot eat at a restaurant at all, period, the level of sodium alone is through the roof at any and all. Yet you do because you don't want to give up certain things - even though it will give you the best chance of surviving the PKD. Some people go to restaurants almost never, but you can't even imagine doing that.

Tycho
01-08-2008, 09:02 PM
Thank you for your recommendations. I'm very serious that I'll look into those.

As to your restaurant comment, it is very true. But part of that is it is my social outlet. I eat at popular places where I can meet people (generally girls in their 20's) and it does sometimes (and recently) work. So there is a reason for it.

But I do not work somewhere that I have contact with people (I am a writer, or I will be) and even when I was in the work force prior to my hospitalization, I met with people often 20 years or more my senior in financial planning or politics. The nature of the real world is one where 20-somethings don't have any money and usually don't vote.

I've toyed with going back to school (to learn Spanish for example), but anything takes time and focus off my writing. I need to finish what I start. When the book is published, I'll get a new kind of attention from book tours and I'll probably need to get right to writing a new one to keep my momentum (easy enough since I have turned like at least 9 of my dreams into plot outlines, plus there is the prequel to my current book). Also my current book is the most difficult I could have chosen to develop because it is historical fiction and that takes extra care and research to handle.

In the end, I may have a lot of social opportunities (in English even) as a touring author - plus I'll make money at that versus spend it on coursework.

JediTricks
01-08-2008, 10:05 PM
The key is to read ingredient lists and nutritional information (including portion size, which you ran into problems with on the Pepto itself, this is important for sodium where it looks low but the package is really 3 servings - like soup - and it's triple the sodium you thought).


Go to restaurants and order salads with dressing on the side, then pick slowly. The biggest problem I had at a dinner a few months ago was actually eating my food, we were conversing so much (you know, the part when you say something, then they say something for a nearly equal amount of time, then back and forth like that? ;)) that the food didn't get a lot of attention. And order water instead of drinks, not only is it better for you, it's cheaper (if you feel like not looking like a cheapskate, order a bottled water or sparkling water - be careful of mineral waters though, some are high in sodium).

Alternately, at restaurants, if you gotta look like a playboy, order a fancy entre like steak or lobster, give all your attention to the gal and just take a few small bites of the food, then ask for it to be put in a to-go container, then give it to a homeless dude who doesn't look too scary so it goes to use and doesn't tempt you later, plus you look like a caring dude to the ladies since you gave a homeless guy a swank meal.


If you want to do school, try some online, there's been a lot of advances in the past few years with online college.

scruffziller
01-15-2008, 11:21 AM
Back in late 2006, the night when the Cheatin' Patties beat Da Bears by a margin of only 4 points. I felt like heaving. And I did, 3 times that night.
The next afternoon, the need to vomit subsided, nausea continued but the diarrhea kicked in. I took some more pepto but the diarrhea kept coming. Next day, took some Immdodium, it still kept coming. Found out, I had taken too much and I was getting diarrhea from the diarrhea medicine. So I stopped, and the diarrhea lessened significantly. Then I started to eat dry toast as recommended from a medical website and that did the trick for the rest of that stomach flu.