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Tycho
01-21-2008, 12:09 AM
Wow! Now that I know these characters, re-reading the 18 issues that are out to date has been awesome. (I've re-covered about the first 10 as I type).

The story is epic, complicated, and compelling.

I had difficulty getting into it when it first started, but now I'm excitedly anticipating action figures and it has all become well-tied-together for me.

I strongly recommend re-reading.

This can be a spoilers-allowed discussion thread, but I won't start with the spoilers personally. Bring it on if you guys want them, though.

This will be pretty good.

El Chuxter
01-21-2008, 12:32 AM
Not trying to be difficult, but why? I read two or three issues, couldn't get into it, and found it to be a slap in the face of the Saga and existing EU. Why spend $3 (or more, if the price went up since I stopped paying attention) for a comic that I'm not interested in?

Tycho
01-21-2008, 02:05 AM
I think it took me (in my re-read) about the first 6 issues to really get into it.

Part of that is from hindsight appreciation for the characters now, knowing where some of the story arc went up to the current point.

I'd like to learn even more about Darth Krayt's motivations and philosophy, but there's been significant insight into his character finally.

Also, Legacy (comics) introduces a whole pantheon of new characters, like they force-fed us all the Prequel and Sequel cast all at once and then got the story rolling. It was hard to see where everyone fit in at first, but that was part of the dramatic reveal. Now we have:

The Sith:

Darth Krayyt (from the prequel era past, still alive)
Darth Wrylock (one of Mas Ameda's species)
Darth Talon (a Twi'lek chick)
Darth Nihl (some kind of human-like male)
Darth Maladi (a Devaronian female - head of Sith Intell)

The True-Imperials

Emperor Roan Fel (likely Jaina Solo's great-grandson) - Force trained
Princess Marisiah Fel (Jaina and Jagged's great-great grand-daughter. Cade's 4th Cousin)
Antarres Draco - Imperial Jedi Knight (Royal Guard w. lightsaber, Force-trained)
Ganner Krieg - Imperial Knight, Draco's best friend

The Moffs (allied to the Sith so they can seize power)

Nyna Callixte - the ex-wife of another Moff, she's now into Moorlish Veed so she can be the power behind the power if he becomes Emperor

Moorlish Veed - the Grand Moff, was to be Emperor, but Krayyt didn't allow it

various other Moffs, heading the Navy and Army, etc.


The Gallactic Alliance (defeated by the joining of the Sith with the Empire)

The Jedi

Wolf Sazem - Kol Skywalker's apprentice and Cade Skywalker's former master, a Zabrack

Shado Vao - a Twi'lek male, Cade's childhood friend

K'Kruhk - still alive as Whipids are long-lived. He'd probably be under 200 years old - but Chewbacca was 200, so it's very possible

The Bounty Hunters

Cade Skywalker - orphaned Jedi apprentice turned hunter
Delilah Blue - chick mechanic in love with Cade
Jeremiah Syn - Cade's bounty hunting / smuggling / gambling buddy

There's more even. The cast is great. I wrote all of the above from memory (so there are some errors I'm sure) and that is a great testimony to how I've been taken with this series.



found it to be a slap in the face of the Saga and existing EU.

Well I think I've found an inner-theme in Star Wars being that there is a constant struggle between one's good and bad temptations and they combine their results to make each of our lives their own crazy legacy. If you take some chances, it certainly makes life interesting. That being said, every Skywalker descendant can wreck what their forebarers fought for. In this case, 4 generations did alright, and now it can once again go either way.

The lineage is:

Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala

Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade

Ben Skywalker and ???

Ben's SON and ???

Kol Skywalker and Morghan Corrde

Cade Skywalker (Luke's great-great-grandson)

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Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala

Princess Leia and Han Solo

Jaina Solo and Jagged Fel (the first Emperor Fel)

Jaina's son (a Fel) and ???

Roan Fel (the 3rd Emperor Fel) and ???

Marisiah Fel (not married yet) Luke's great-great grand-daughter

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It is unknown in Legacy comics if Jacen Solo's family somehow continued.

El Chuxter
01-21-2008, 03:24 AM
My point, though, is that a new, unproven series has to grab the reader from the get-go. Legacy rested on the laurels of Star Wars, so to speak. If you have to re-read the first six issues after reading the subsequent twelve, that's not speaking well for it captivating you from the beginning.

Even TPM, for all its flaws and the new ground it was exploring, got the viewers' attention immediately. We're introduced to two characters in the midst of a doublecross already in progress, and find out that one is Obi-Wan Kenobi, whom we're familiar with. The pieces are filled in slowly, starting immediately, as the Jedi try themselves to figure out what's going on. Legacy could've done that, were it written better. As it is, we start with a messy, confusing Jedi battle, and plunge into a more confusing intrigue of some sort involving Sith and a new, peaceful Empire. Without the #0, it makes no sense; even with #0, it's confounding.

From what I read, it could've started with Cade Skywalker, doing something very pirate-ish, then maybe an internal monologue along the lines of "I wasn't always a pirate. I was raised a Jedi Knight." Then flash back to the last stand of the Jedi, with explanatory notes worked into the monologue, perhaps, "One hundred years earlier, the previous Empire wiped out the Jedi. I wonder if this is how it happened then."

My main point is that it reads like bad fanfic, and, without some amazing writing, I'm not willing to give another chance to a series that is based on a questionable premise to begin with. I'm not sure why it's written the way it is; previous Star Wars comics (even by the same creators!) have never suffered this flaw as far as I can recall.

Tycho
01-21-2008, 03:46 AM
In some sense, Star Wars was done this way:

We started with Episode Four.

Luke's introduced.

No one knows Leia is his sister.

No one could even guess that Darth Vader is his father. We're told his father was betrayed and murdered.

Luke gets pulled into this wide political fight between an Empire and "terrorists" who call themselves a Rebellion.

We learn they are trying to prevent the use of a doomsday weapon by the Empire, and we are not even sure what their goals would be. ANH through ROTJ make no mention of restoring a Republic.

Essentially, Legacy re-boots the same theme.

Rocketboy
01-21-2008, 03:26 PM
Legacy has been pretty damn boring since the beginning.
But like a retard, I still have it on my pull list.

There are far too many characters and factions all grabbing for attention, which makes it amazingly confusing and leaves little room for decent characterization. So far there are a 0 and 1/2 issues which attempt to explain things and get people caught up (and those issue only make things more confusing).

The story has progressed at a snail's pace, with far too many crappy fill-in issues.

Most of what has been covered could/should have been done in 12 issues.

The Sith are all lame, especially Darth Krayyt (with that lame-*ss backstory).

The only thing they have done right - Artoo Detoo, who seems to have been forgotten already.

preacher
01-21-2008, 07:16 PM
Sorry I just don't think Legacy is that good. I own up to issue no. 12. I still flip through it just to see whats going on. I think the Sith designs are pretty awesome. When they are made into figures I know I'll be getting them.

I was very tempted to jump back into this comic when Darth Krayt's alter ego was revealed. I thought that was kind of cool. I can't believe I didn't piece it together sooner. With a name like Krayt who else could it have been.

I do plan on jumping back into all the Star Wars comics because of this super crossover that starts next month.

I've love Knights of the Old Republic. Its pacing isn't as hurried. Legacy has a cool aesthetic, but is like Matrix in that the design overshadows the storyline. The other series I can't even remember thats how impressed I was with it.

El Chuxter
01-22-2008, 05:51 PM
With a name like Krayt who else could it have been.

Someone younger than 150 years old, who wasn't closely connected to Anakin Skywalker. That coincidence is so ridiculous it makes the entire "Vader built C-3PO" shtick fully believable.

JediTricks
01-24-2008, 11:24 PM
I absolutely won't be giving Legacy another chance, it lost me at issue 0 and failed completely at issue 1. Issue 1 was really horribly paced considering what it had to do, I didn't like it, so to hear that pacing issue continued only cements my disinterest in this line. You could send me every issue for free and I probably still wouldn't read it because my time is valuable even from a potential standpoint, which means you'd probably have to pay me to read it.

figrin bran
01-25-2008, 12:20 AM
Tycho, I've already given Legacy enough chances! I dropped it after #0 and 1. Then bought the Darth Krayt revelation issue just to see what was going on. Then I picked up a few earlier issues for .20 each during my local comic book store's Thanksgiving sale.

It just has none of the appeal for me that Republic did. I even gave up on Knights of the Old Republic recently because there wasn't enough in the way of payoffs.

Tycho
01-25-2008, 08:55 AM
I was thinking about starting a thread for KOTOR. I agree with you there, Figrin.

I'm having trouble reading that one. It's confusing and I don't care about the characters that much. Maybe Jarael and Zayne, but where is the story going with them.

If Darth Revan and Darth Malak are supposed to emerge out of all this, why aren't their characters or pre-cursor personalities (before their falls to the Dark Side) being developed more?

Maybe KOTOR will reveal itself to have a brilliant long-term story plan, but I'm not seeing that yet and it's covered many more issues than Legacy.

By contrast, I think Legacy has strong characters that I care about and they're doing well with it now. I'll agree it got off to a messy start though.

El Chuxter
01-25-2008, 09:26 AM
It seems like all the Star Wars comics are being created quite lazily, focusing more on the fact that SW fans will buy anything that says "Star Wars" in the banner and not putting effort into crafting a quality comic.

JediTricks
01-25-2008, 10:40 PM
It seems to me like they've been totally out of ideas for quite a while, in part because the prequels have interfered with the development of original ideas.

Tycho
01-26-2008, 12:49 AM
I had great ideas (still have the presentation package I made for Dark Horse, too) - and they really liked them. But having never been a published author, Lucasfilm's rules turned me away. (I was led to believe there were some at Dark Horse that went to bat for me, too - in fact I know of 2 people that did for certain).

Anyway, I was encouraged to write my own original stuff and I have now almost completed doing so.

But...

1) It is not a comic and would be extremely "adult" if adapted to one. They do have those, but my story is also not a porno. It's unique if anything.

2) It's not science-fiction-fantasy. It's historical fiction if anything. So while I hope it's received very well, there will be ways it does not support my being a sci-fi-fantasy writer because my work was for an entirely different genre.

3) My work could be construed as very political and sociologically biased - not something that necessarily fits with the Star Wars universe.

4) My controversial or otherwise intentionally offensive scenerios are not necessarily what a Star Wars licensed publisher would want to be associated with since SW is a PG rated genre and my work "instigates" (but what would you expect from me? :D )

However, the two best ideas I had regarding the types of Star Wars stories I'd tell would be sincerely appreciated by the EU fans, IMO, and do not "instigate" or cross the lines. I just did that because I was doing my own thing and didn't have to conform it to Star Wars.

Bel-Cam Jos
01-26-2008, 08:58 AM
Hey, I spent $.25 on this series (plus TAX! :eek: ), so that's as far as I'll go.

I was afraid of what'd happen to SW stories after the films were done, and my fears have come to realization. :( The novels are okay at times, and awful at NewJediOrderLegacyofForce times. I'm just bitter, I guess. :crotchedyoldman:

Banthaholic
03-02-2008, 12:35 AM
I've been a fan of this series, but issue 20 did not appeal to me at all. I put it doen on page 4 and can't find the urge to pick it up again. I no it mentions the events are concurrent to 18 & 19, but without Cade the story bored me.

preacher
03-29-2008, 12:18 PM
I re-read Legacy up to the current issue. I decided to go get some of the back-issues.

I still hold to my original opinion. Cade is a weak character, and considering that he is the epicenter around which the entire plot of Legacy revolves around that is not a good thing. He is a hybrid/retread of two other Star Wars character in the Star Wars universe. Quin Lon Voss and Han Solo. Two characters that have a much stronger presense.

Cade is very uninteresting to me. Much darker than any other Protagonist in Star Wars, unless you count Darth Vader. The only original thing about Cade is his apparent unsatiable lust to hump any thing female like James T Kirk. Delilah Blue and Darth Talon being the two conquests to date. His addiction to drugs is in the foreground, but I find it to be too in your face. The lecherousness is the only smart writing behind Cade's character because it demonstrates that Cade has desires which is a very Sith trait. It dovetails nicely with Cade's teetering to the darkside.

Initially, Darth Krayt intrigued me, his reveal was a shock. I accepted His backstory leading up to why he became a sith lord - it didn't seem a stretch to Krayt's alter-ego's character, but my big problem was how it was unveiled. To quote the movie the incredibles "He was monologuing". Its clear the author was eager to tell readers who Krayt really was, but it should not have been told so quickly. The fact that Cade even listened for three issues contradicts his character of being impatient.

I still like the overall design of the book. The mesh of Yuuzhan Vong, with imperial, with sith, with republic elements is an interesting combination. At times its very rigid and at other times chaotic. Clearly the artists understood what Lucas was trying to accomplish visually with the various motiffs and colors. Darth Talon is going to be made into a figure as part of a comic 2 pack and I will definitely be picking her up. Sith tats on a scantify clad red twilek...what a cool design.

The supporting cast, is a hodge podge. So many factions... And why they are there is not clear. They are not relevant to Cade's struggle. There are simply too many sub plots to follow and they develope too quickly. Maybe I would be willing to follow the development of these subplots if it weren't for the fact that the main plot, that of Cade trying to find a balance between living life and letting his life be chosen for him has been done to death. Its a star wars cliche' now and needs to not be done again for awhile.

Tycho
03-29-2008, 02:53 PM
Very insightful review Preacher.

It leaves much to be considered and re-considered.

Are you going to continue following Legacy?

preacher
03-29-2008, 10:15 PM
Yeah,

I like the design of it too much to dismiss it entirely. In fact, my wife has expressed an interest in moding tonner dolls to make a Darth Talon, Fel's daughter, Delilah Blue, Skywalkers mother, among other female characters in that series. So she is really the driving force behind me continuing the series. I will continue to read it as well. I mean geeze as long as I'm collecting the series for her why not?

Legacy has its merits, but its flaws outnumber it in my opinion. One thing a stated slightly incorrect in my previous post is regarding Cade's drug addiction. I like the premise, but this flaw doesn't get used enough. He'll have hallucinations for a couple panels and then you get no sense of his addiction for a couple entire issues. If this was handled more realistically like the way someone addicted to drugs would REALLY behave then I think the storys would capture my interest the same as the design. The Lecherousness of Cade really makes since and it has gotten him into trouble. Yet I see no consequence of Cade's use of death sticks except an occasional visit from Mara Jade or Luke. Instead there is more emphasis on Krayt than anything and his ailments.

If Dark Horse makes this into a 100 issue series, maybe all the various subplots can be connected. But Dark Horse's track record with longevity of any Star Wars series isn't exactly great. This could be a good series, but its rushed.

Slightly off topic - I'm not too thrilled with the introduction to Vector. Its interrupted some very important hanging plot threads in Knights of the Old Republic and sadly I think its caused that series to lose its momentum before resolving many issues not the least of which is Jarael's force sensitivity and what that means for her.

Tycho
03-29-2008, 10:28 PM
I just bought but haven't read the latest issue of KOTOR.

SW comics have not had as much appeal for me since the glory days of Republic or Tales of the Jedi in years past.

I must agree with everything you said.

However, I'd love to see a great change of focus onto Darth Krayyt and learn more about his insight, philosophy, and plans for his victory. He could be a fascinating character.

I'd almost say, "go with a Sith as the protagonist for a change."

That could be really cool.