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Jargo
02-08-2008, 08:38 PM
How big is it? I know it's one of the two largest pirate ships. I'm just wondering if I actually have room for it. I'm thinking I really need to get my pirates a ride. And a pirate ship would serve two purposes, obviously being a pirate ship in a pirate setup but i was thinking it might also work as a themed floating restaurant in my town.

So does anyone know the dimensions roughly? Pwetty pwease...:love:

Slicker
02-09-2008, 12:12 AM
I'm assuming you mean the Black Seas Barracuda. :rolleyes: LEGO n00b!

It's about this long *stretches arms out* and this tall *stretches 'em again*. Does that help any?

I have no clue. You could always go on eBay and ask one of the sellers of the set what the dimensions are. If you don't have an eBay account just let me know if you want me to ask one of the sellers. :yes:

Jargo
02-09-2008, 10:05 AM
At least I got one of the letters doubled up. And you knew what i meant. so ner :silly:

I found this while searching ebay. A 100% knock off version.

http://www.liangdianup.com/images/toys/blocks/blackpearl_a_800.jpg

compare with the original

http://www.1000steine.com/brickset/images/6285-1.jpg

There's a few differences in build and some non lego copy parts but so much is replicated, even down to using the same paint tampo stamping. Y'know I might just get the cheap knock off version and save a bundle.

JediTricks
02-09-2008, 07:43 PM
But the parrot is YELLOW!!!

Man, that is so weird, I've never seen a LEGO set copied like that before. Ironic that it's a pirate set.

Jargo
02-09-2008, 07:52 PM
they've also duplicated the armada flagship with a few build changes and copied the Chinese Junk from the Orient adventure sub theme. There's a couple of other sets from pirates duplicated but not ships. one is the shipwreck island the other is a small set I haven't identified yet.

but yes it's odd they've been so out and out bold replicating so closely. At least it's old sets though. and not packaged as Lego. my BF just bought me the 'black pearl' so i shall be able to let you know within a month how this thing fares against Lego quality.

have to say the aircraft carrier set from BRICK has some great deck pieces. though i'm sure it's probably a megabloks knock off. the communist chinese military minifigs are pretty cool and I bet they'd go great with the nazis and russians from the indiana jones sets.

Slicker
02-09-2008, 11:04 PM
I've actually got two older pirate ships in my LEGO collection (maybe 25-30 sets at most...NOT including Star Wars). One is the Carribean Cruiser (or is it cutter) and the other one I can't remember the name for the life of me. It's got just one main mast and the sail is tan with crossed cannons. It also has a smaller sail connected to the main mast that moves almost like it's a rudder.

I remember the Black Seas Barracuda when I was a kid and that was always one of the sets that I really wanted (a few others were the Launch and Load Seaport and the Model Team Monster Big Rig).

Jargo
02-09-2008, 11:18 PM
black seas barracuda was the ship they should have released as a legend instead of the red beard runner. wait, maybe they did. don't have my old lego catalogues to hand to check. red beard runner is pants. compared to the 'cuda anyway.

caribbean clipper has blue and white stripey sails. Imperial flagship would be other. probably. soldiers rather than pirates crewing both?

LusiferSam
02-10-2008, 01:25 AM
Ok the Barracuda is about 23" (58 cm) long, 19" (48 cm) tall and around 10" (25 cm) wide.

The Barracuda is my personal favorite Lego set of all time. It's the best of the pirate ships and one of the great sets of all time. Lego did re-issue (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/10040) it in '02. But it's not 100% the same as the '89 version (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6285). The piece count is different and I've heard there were some part difference. A quick scan of Peeron didn't net any major.

It's correct that the ships Slicker are describing are the Caribbean Clipper (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6274), the blue soldier's ship, and the Imperial Flagship (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6271), the red soldier's ship. I like the Imperial Flagship better of the two (but I also the Imperial Guards better too). Both are much better than the Armada Flagship (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6280).

Slicker
02-10-2008, 04:16 AM
Yes. The other is the Imperial Flagship.

I think the one major difference that people had with the re-issue of the Barracuda was that the cannons didn't fire like back in the day.

Jargo
02-10-2008, 09:58 AM
My older brother is a Lego nut as I've mentioned a few times. This is his ship http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=4470 excessive cannon deployment? lol I count 69.

LusiferSam
02-10-2008, 12:34 PM
I think the one major difference that people had with the re-issue of the Barracuda was that the cannons didn't fire like back in the day.

No, that's incorrect. Most of the Barracudas sold in the US had cannons that didn't fire. The four original sets in '89 did have cannons that fired (http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/x110c01). My Forbidden Island (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6270), which I got in '89, came with a firing cannon. Sometime in early '90 Lego stop selling the functional cannons and started selling the disabled cannons (http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/x110c02). Most of my '89 and '90 Pirates have these cannons. I'm told you can enable a disabled cannon be opening it up and adding a spring. I've try this before, needed four hands. Maybe I'll try again today. Starting in '91 Lego changed their cannons again. This time they are non-firing (http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/518). Again this is for the US. Europe is a different story. They had firing cannons much longer, but did move to non-firing.

Jargo
02-10-2008, 07:51 PM
I shall let you know if the knock off version of the barracuda has firing cannon or not.

And my bf just bought me the viking ship versus the midguard serpent which is uber cool. two big ships for my birfday. Yaaaay!!

LusiferSam
02-19-2008, 03:03 PM
Well after trying again to open a disabled cannon and enable it, I just bought some shooting cannons. I can see what to do and how to do it in terms of opening the cannon up. But I just can't seems to do it. It's almost like Lego didn't want you to open them. ;) Anyway I got four shooters, plus my original. So now I need to decide whether I upgrade the Barracuda or the Eldorado Fortress and Caribbean Clipper. I don't have to decide right away because the cannons, a long with the other parts I bought, are airing out. They're a little smoky. :(

Jargo
02-19-2008, 03:36 PM
the worst part of buying separate pieces is smells from snaplock bags. I buy a fair bit from an australian dude and the sammich bags they send the stuff in smell like death. excellent condition parts but those bags make it all awful smelly. It's like a smell I've only ever encountered in homes of people on welfare. like greasy food mixed with baby products, smoke and dog.

JediTricks
02-19-2008, 06:16 PM
Yeah, that bothers me a lot! It's one of the secondary reasons I stopped buying off ebay, I have a strong sense of smell and everything I was buying stank of something or another.

LusiferSam
02-20-2008, 01:26 AM
These person is a BrickLink seller. Normally I've had good luck with BrickLink. This is the first time I've really had to let an order air out. I've read the you can speed the process up by dropping the pressure the ABS is under. Something about lower pressure causes out gassing in ABS. But I don't have a vacuum chamber or access to one. :(

JediTricks
02-20-2008, 11:20 PM
Take some cheap box fan, either place the parts over the fan or place the fan over the parts so that it sucks away from the parts, let it run for a few days, that helps a lot. Make sure the fan's motor doesn't burn up though, some cheap fans are really poorly made.

Jargo
02-22-2008, 07:49 PM
Still waiting for the knock off pirate ship to arrive. they say ten to nineteen days and it's been ten today. hopefully over the next week I'll be able to take posession and photograph the non Lego pieces. i discovered there are two variants on this set. the sails are very different. I dig the gold stripes. very Vegas.

Slicker
02-23-2008, 02:26 AM
The one with the black sails looks like another pirate ship. For the life of me I can't remember what it's called but it was another one of those sets that I really wanted.

Bosskman
02-23-2008, 06:42 AM
I'm gonna get the BSB someday. I've always wanted it but could never afford it when I was a kid. I recently bought a lot of 80s and 90s castle sets off ebay to complete my collection (including the Black Monarch's Castle, Black Knight's Casle, Black Falcon's Fortess and the Old BF 1984 casle with the red gate) I think with time I should be able to track down a BSB that's in good shape and don't stink.

Jargo
02-23-2008, 12:25 PM
I wish I'd seen the one with black sails first. It's got an extra mast. :(

you thinking of the Skull's eye schooner slick? http://img.lugnet.com/display.cgi?set/new/upload/6286-1-995667375.jpg

LusiferSam
02-25-2008, 08:45 PM
I wish I'd seen the one with black sails first. It's got an extra mast. :(

you thinking of the Skull's eye schooner slick? http://img.lugnet.com/display.cgi?set/new/upload/6286-1-995667375.jpg

The Skull's Eye Schooner (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/6286) is another great Lego set. It's a distanced second to the Barracuda. That three mass knockoff is much bigger than any of Lego's ships. It's like a cross between the Barracuda and Schooner with a little U.S.S. Constellation (http://guide.lugnet.com/set/398) for good measure. I almost like it. But I'm far too much of a Lego elitist to ever add non-Lego sets to my collection.

Jargo
02-25-2008, 09:32 PM
ordinarily i'd agree but lately i've found myself becoming covetous. admiring the oriental wall panels in the megabloks pirates of the carribean theme. perfect for a chinese restaurant. and those short stubby 2x2x6 pillars megabloks do are cool. admittedly there's a lot of crud MB parts. bits and bobs are useful though. i'll tolerate the odd piece that does the job.

I keep MB parts separate from lego in my storage drawers though.

i'm definitely keeping my eye on that three mast ship though. i'm gonna make her mine one day soon.

Jargo
02-26-2008, 07:51 AM
OOH OOH - my pirated pirate ship has arrived. not taken any pics yet coz i only just got out of bed. have opened some of the bags to get a look at the parts and all four of the cannon are firing. good springs too. first thing i dug out of the bag was the chromed cutlasses and pistol and the brassy looking chromed coins.

more later.....

Slicker
02-26-2008, 11:11 AM
That is indeed the set, Andy. That was one that I always liked for some reason.

Good to hear that you finally got your package (of false-LEGO's ya perv). I hope they're worth it since you've been looking so forward to 'em.:thumbsup:

Jargo
02-26-2008, 09:46 PM
ok I may take pictures if i can find the camera batteries but so far i've got as far as building the thing to the point where i need to do all the string tying and after four hours hunched over i'm wondering why i have so many bits left over.

this knock off is almost the same as the 'Cuda exept it varies in the fo'castle and wheel housing area. it's rear heavy as they've built up the deck with balustrades and although it's more satisfying to look at the front looks daft being a whole brick lower than the 'cuda.
the plastic is on a par with megabloks and there's a little warping on larger plates.
I've cross referenced the instructions with those of the 'cuda and the build is very very similar with the exeption that the knock off instructions are actually easier to follow.
the colours are close. yellow is brighter and slightly more orange than Lego yellow. but i don't mind that.
they substituted the long handled axe for a bright red halberd bizarrely which looks stoopid. and the skull and crossbones on the sails not matching the one of the flags is bothersome but not horrendous.
I do like the crows nest piece. instead of the half barrel this is all open and just thing vertical struts supporting the top rail.
all the lego copyright logos and info has been filed off the molds but you can see here and there scratchy file marks letting you know it's a pirated pirate ship.
the barred gate/ladder/cage piece in the bow leading from the foremast to the lower deck is made of rubbery plastic and not good. though the rigging piece are made of firmer plastic so why they chose different plastics escapes me. also the ribbed hose with cup ends from the suspended basket/cargo holder thingy has been cast as one piece rather than rubber hose between two ABS cup ends.
However. I have to say for something that is without a doubt a direct copy of a fantastic set this is good. especially with Lego standards slipping lately at first glance there's no way you could really tell this apart from genuine lego you'd have to get in real close and look hard to find the faults such as the molding sprue marks being a bit rough. the lack of any Lego logo on brick studs. the two odd minifig torso's and the lack of that rough texture on sloping bricks.
I am actually pleased with this purchase. I think for the money i paid i got good value. i'd have paid three times more for the genuine set so i can't complain really. and the ebay seller i got it from was true to his/her word and got it to me in decent time.

I know you're losing the will to live hearing me witter on so i'll stop posting to this thread until i have pictures of the odd bits. meantime here's a scan of the back of the instructions. various sets in this range. I particularly love 'Barbara' (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/1968monster/comic1/pirates.jpg). lol

Bel-Cam Jos
07-22-2014, 05:52 PM
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Check out this story of Lego on the beach...

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