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sjd9299
02-19-2008, 09:57 PM
At some point I was asked for a list of all the vintage variations that I knew of. Here is my list. Most of it was created by actually finding and owning the pieces. The rest are ones that have been documented on sites like Rebel Scum.

There were some spacing issues when I copied it over. I do not have time to fix it right now, so check back a bit latter. I will also indicate which ones I actually have and which I have only heard of.


NAMEVARIATION COO
Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi white hair/ light eyes Hong Kong
Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi white hair/ black eyes Hong Kong
Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi light grey hair/ tan body Hong Kong
Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi light grey hair/ brown body Made in Hong Kong
Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi dark grey hair none
Ben (Obi Wan) Kenobi DT saber
R2-D2 light blue paint Made in Taiwan
R2-D2 dark blue paint Made in Hong Kong
R2-D2 light blue paint Hong Kong
R2-D2 Droid Factory 3 legs none
Chewbacca green limbs Hong Kong
Chewbacca green pouch
Chewbacca green gun
Chewbacca dark blue eyes Hong Kong
Chewbacca light blue eyes Hong Kong
Chewbacca none Made in Hong Kong
Chewbacca none Made in Taiwan
Chewbacca none no COO
Luke Skywalker blonde hair/ short saber handle Hong Kong
Luke Skywalker blonde hair/long saber handle/light hands Hong Kong
Luke Skywalker blonde hair/long saber handle/dark hands Hong Kong
Luke Skywalker blonde hair/ yellow legs Hong Kong
Luke Skywalker light brown hair
Luke Skywalker dark brown hair Hong Kong
Luke Skywalker DT saber Hong Kong
Princess Leia Organa brown hair/dark eyes Made in Hong Kong
Princess Leia Organa brown hair/dark eyes Hong Kong (sm)
Princess Leia Organa brown hair/dark eyes Made in Taiwan
Princess Leia Organa brown hair/light eyes Hong Kong
Princess Leia Organa black hair Made in Hong Kong
Darth Vader shiny black/white paint Hong Kong
Darth Vader shiny black/silver paint Hong Kong
Darth Vader dull black Hong Kong
Darth Vader grey limbs Hong Kong
Darth Vader DT saber
Han Solo big head Hong Kong
Han Solo small head Hong Kong
C-3PO separate date line Hong Kong
C-3PO date in line Hong Kong
Stormtrooper 3 line stamp (sm)/wide mouth Hong Kong
Stormtrooper 3 line stamp (sm)/thin mouth Hong Kong
Stormtrooper 3 line stamp (lg)/wide mouth Hong Kong
Stormtrooper no COO stamp none
Stormtrooper 2 line stamp Hong Kong
Death Squad Commander blue over red/date low on leg Hong Kong
Death Squad Commander blue over red/date normal Hong Kong
Death Squad Commander red over blue Hong Kong
Death Squad Commander no red, only blue Hong Kong
Jawa cloth cape/no COO none
Jawa cloth cape/brown torso Hong Kong
Jawa cloth cape/tan torso Hong Kong
Jawa vinyl cape
Sand People regular Hong Kong
Sand People hollow cheek tubes
Greedo regular Hong Kong
Greedo no COO stamp
Hammerhead none Hong Kong
Hammerhead "green" (most likley faded) Hong Kong
Snaggletooth red Hong Kong
Snaggletooth blue Hong Kong
Walrus Man white teeth Hong Kong
Walrus Man pink teeth Hong Kong
R5-D4 none Made in Hong Kong
R5-D4 none Hong Kong
Death Star Droid sliver Hong Kong
Death Star Droid goldish-silver Hong Kong
Luke X-Wing Pilot none Hong Kong
Luke X-Wing Pilot none China
Power Droid none Hong Kong
Boba Fett dark brown belt Taiwan
Boba Fett med brown belt Taiwan
Boba Fett light brown belt/light green armor Hong Kong
Boba Fett light brown belt/dark green armor Hong Kong
Boba Fett Tri-logo
Boba Fett L rocket firing
Boba Fett J rocket firing
Bossk green head Hong Kong
Bossk orange head Hong Kong
Bespin Security Guard (w) regular Made in Hong Kong
Bespin Security Guard (w) Fu Man Chu Hong Kong
FX-7 head 1 (large squares) Hong Kong
FX-7 head 2 (small squares) Hong Kong
FX-7 head 2 (small squares) Made in Hong Kong
Han Solo Hoth Gear tan paint legs/large R hand Hong Kong
Han Solo Hoth Gear tan paint/pinkface/date on R leg Hong Kong
Han Solo Hoth Gear tan paint/pink face/date on L leg Hong Kong
Han Solo Hoth Gear tan paint legs/white face Hong Kong
Han Solo Hoth Gear tan mould legs
IG-88 silver high detail Hong Kong
IG-88 grey low detail Hong Kong
Snowtrooper regular Hong Kong
Snowtrooper stamp on both legs Hong Kong
Snowtrooper stamp on both legs China
Snowtrooper stamp low on L boot Hong Kong
Snowtrooper Tri-logo circle holes
Lando Calrissian teeth/double belt symbol Made in China
Lando Calrissian teeth/double belt symbol Hong Kong
Lando Calrissian teeth/single belt symbol Hong Kong
Lando Calrissian no teeth Hong Kong
Lando Calrissian no teeth/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
Luke Bespin brown hair Hong Kong
Luke Bespin blonde hair Hong Kong
Luke Bespin Tri-logo dark brown boots
Leia Bespin gold neck
Leia Bespin turtle neck/dark gold paint Hong Kong
Leia Bespin turtle neck/bright gold paint Hong Kong
Leia Bespin crew neck/light brown hair Hong Kong
Leia Bespin crew neck/dark brown hair Hong Kong
Hoth Rebel Soldier white legs/thick scarf/pink face Hong Kong
Hoth Rebel Soldier white legs/thick scarf/white face Hong Kong
Hoth Rebel Soldier white legs/thin scarf/pink face Hong Kong
Hoth Rebel Soldier white legs/thin scarf/white face Hong Kong
Hoth Rebel Soldier brown moulded legs
Hoth Rebel Soldier Tri-logo dark brown
Yoda orange snake Hong Kong
Yoda brown snake/low feet detail Hong Kong
Yoda brown snake/high feet detail Hong Kong
Dengar regular/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
Dengar white face/stampon L leg Hong Kong
Han Solo Bespin stamp on L leg Hong Kong
Han Solo Bespin stamp on L leg/green legs Hong Kong
Han Solo Bespin date on L leg/COO on R leg Made in Hong Kong
Han Solo Bespin COO on L leg/date on R leg Made in Hong Kong
Lobot circles on belt Hong Kong
Lobot squares on belt/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
Lobot squares on belt/stamp on L leg Hong Kong
Ugnaught purple/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
Ugnaught blue/stamp on L leg Hong Kong
Ugnaught maroon/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
AT-AT Driver red symbols/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
AT-AT Driver orange symbols/stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
AT-AT Driver orange symbols/stamp on both legs no COO
Leia Hoth flat rank bar/red hair Made in Hong Kong
Leia Hoth flat rank bar/light brown hair Made in Hong Kong
Leia Hoth flat rank bar/dark brown hair Made in Hong Kong
Leia Hoth raised rank bar
Imperial Commander skinny head/wide legs Made in Hong Kong
Imperial Commander skinny head/short neck Made in Hong Kong
Imperial Commander skinny head/long neck Made in Hong Kong
Imperial Commander Tri-logo round head no COO
Rebel Commander 1 line on crotch Made in Hong Kong
Rebel Commander 1 line on crotch/short and stumpy Made in Hong Kong
Rebel Commander 3lines on crotch Made in Hong Kong
2-1B flat blue Made in Hong Kong
2-1B metalic blue no COO
AT-AT Commander long rectangles on back Made in Hong Kong
AT-AT Commander short rectangles on back Made in Hong Kong
Luke Hoth Gear date L leg/COO R leg Made in Hong Kong
Luke Hoth Gear COO L leg/date R leg Made in Hong Kong
R2-D2 with Sensorscope small stamp no COO
R2-D2 with Sensorscope large stamp Made in Hong Kong
Bespin Security Guard (b) light skin no COO
Bespin Security Guard (b) dark skin Made in Hong Kong
Cloud Car Pilot dull yellow/date L leg, COO R leg Made in Hong Kong
Cloud Car Pilot dull yellow/COO Lleg, date R leg Made in Hong Kong
Cloud Car Pilot bright yellow
4-LOM none Made in Hong Kong
C-3PO removable limbs 1 line stamp no COO
C-3PO removable limbs 2 line stamp Hong Kong
C-3PO removable limbs sealed in Kenner baggie Made in Hong Kong
TIE Fighter Pilot stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
TIE Fighter Pilot stamp on both legs/2 symbol R helm Made in Hong Kong
TIE Fighter Pilot stamp on L leg no COO
Zuckuss none Made in Hong Kong
Admiral Ackbar red moulded arms/grey tunic Taiwan
Admiral Ackbar white moulded arms/tan tunic Hong Kong
Lando Skiff Guard dark brown H. K.
Lando Skiff Guard light brown no COO
Nien Nunb stamp on both legs Made in Hong Kong
Nien Nunb stamp on L leg no COO
Bib Fortuna detailed belt knot Made in Hong Kong
Bib Fortuna no detail on belt knot Made in Taiwan
Biker Scout short mouth no COO
Biker Scout long mouth/stamps on boots Hong Kong
Biker Scout long mouth/full date Made in Taiwan
Biker Scout long mouth/short date Made in Hong Kong
Chief Chirpa white
Chief Chirpa grey/date stamp going up L leg H. K.
Chief Chirpa grey/date stamp going down L leg H. K.
Chief Chirpa grey/stamp on L leg no COO
Emperor's Royal Guard stamp on L leg on boot no COO
Emperor's Royal Guard stamp on both legs on boots Hong Kong
Emperor's Royal Guard stamp on both legs Made in Taiwan
Gamorrean Guard dark green/dark grey H. K.
Gamorrean Guard dark green/dark grey/L foot unpainted H. K.
Gamorrean Guard dark green/dark grey no COO
Gamorrean Guard dark green/silver no COO
Gamorrean Guard light green/silver H. K.
Gamorrean Guard light green/silver Hong Kong
General Madine flesh head/grey paint/light blue eyes Hong Kong
General Madine flesh head/grey paint/dark blue eyes Hong Kong
General Madine flesh head/grey paint/black limbs Made in Taiwan
General Madine flesh head/green paint Made in Taiwan
General Madine grey moulded head
Klaatu shiny black boots/4 grey limbs no COO
Klaatu black boots/4 grey limbs/stamp on both legs H. K.
Klaatu black boots/grey L arm/3 tan limbs H. K.
Klaatu black boots/2 tan arms/2 grey legs H. K.
Klaatu black boots/2 grey arms/2 tan legs H. K.
Klaatu black boots/2 tan arms/tan L legs H. K.
Klaatu grey boots/4 grey limbs no COO
Klaatu grey boots/4 grey limbs H. K.
Logray light stripes H. K.
Logray dark stripes H. K.
Logray dark stripes no COO
Logray grey stripes Macau
Luke Jedi Knight flesh head/snap cape Made in Taiwan
Luke Jedi Knight brown head/white face Made in Taiwan
Luke Jedi Knight brown head/pink face Hong Kong
Luke Jedi Knight blue saber
Leia Boushh high detail bandolier Hong Kong
Leia Boushh med detail bandolier Made in Taiwan
Leia Boushh low detail bandolier/white face Hong Kong
Leia Boushh low detail bandolier/pink face Hong Kong
Rebel Commando flesh head
Rebel Commando brown head/stamps on boots China
Rebel Commando brown head/stamps on legs Hong Kong
Rebel Commando brown head/stamp on L leg no COO
Ree-Yees flesh arms/ green boots Taiwan
Ree-Yees flesh arms/ brown boots Taiwan
Ree-Yess brown arms no COO
Ree-Yess brown arms Hong Kong
Squid Head cape colors x4 H. K.
Weequay none H. K.
8D8 L+R w/circle on hip no COO
8D8 L+R w/ no circle on hip no COO
8D8 L w/ circle R no circle no COO
8D8 R w/circle L no circle
Klaatu Skiff Guard none no COO
Nikto none no COO
Droopy McCool black pipe/grey stand Hong Kong
Droopy McCool grey pipe/black stand
Max Rebo bronze organ
Max Rebo gold organ date stamped Hong Kong
Max Rebo gold organ no date stamp Hong Kong
Sy Snootles black mic stand
Sy Snootles grey mic stand Hong Kong
The Emperor light grey/detailed robe no COO
The Emperor dark grey/detailed hands no COO
AT-ST Driver stamp on L leg no COO
AT-ST Driver stamp on both legs Taiwan
B-Wing Pilot boot buckle no COO
B-Wing Pilot no boot buckle no COO
Han Solo Endor "Doofy" face/camo lapels no COO
Han Solo Endor "Hero" face/plain lapels no COO
Leia Endor point on back/stamp on L boot no COO
Leia Endor flat across back/stamp on L leg no COO
Prune Face bright green pants no COO
Prune Face dull green pants no COO
Rancor Keeper soft hood/ Taiwan
Rancor Keeper hard hood/thin staff end no COO
Teebo dark grey Taiwan
Teebo light grey no COO
Wicket 1 line stamp no COO
Wicket 2 line stamp Taiwan
Lumat none no COO
Paploo none no COO
R2-D2 pop-up saber none no COO
A-Wing Pilot none no COO
Han Solo Carbonite none no COO
Imperial Dignitary none no COO
Imperial Gunner none no COO
Luke Stormtrooper none no COO
Anakin Skywalker none no COO
Amanaman none no COO
Barada none no COO
EV-9D9 none no COO
Lando General none no COO
Luke Endor none no COO
Romba none no COO
Warok none no COO
Yak Face none

bigbarada
02-19-2008, 10:22 PM
Some that I've seen that aren't on your list:

A-Wing Pilot dark helmet
A-Wing Pilot light helmet
Barada 1984 datestamp
Barada 1985 datestamp
Warok painted details on hood
Warok unpainted details on hood

I actually own one of each of the Baradas. The 1984 one is in storage, but I'm having my brother send it to me. Once I get it, I'll try to get a photo of the two different datestamps.

I've actually owned the unpainted hood Warok, but I don't have him any more unfortunately.

I've seen the light helmet A-Wing Pilots on Ebay, but have never owned one.

sjd9299
02-19-2008, 10:28 PM
Some that I've seen that aren't on your list:

A-Wing Pilot dark helmet
A-Wing Pilot light helmet
Barada 1984 datestamp
Barada 1985 datestamp
Warok painted details on hood
Warok unpainted details on hood

I actually own one of each of the Baradas. The 1984 one is in storage, but I'm having my brother send it to me. Once I get it, I'll try to get a photo of the two different datestamps.

I've actually owned the unpainted hood Warok, but I don't have him any more unfortunately.

I've seen the light helmet A-Wing Pilots on Ebay, but have never owned one.

I will add them to the list. But I would say the Warok unpainted details is a paint error and not a variation. It would be like any of the vintage figures not having eyes or something. Unless there was a significant amount of them made as in a whole production run like Lando with and with out teeth. I could be wrong.

bigbarada
02-19-2008, 10:54 PM
I will add them to the list. But I would say the Warok unpainted details is a paint error and not a variation. It would be like any of the vintage figures not having eyes or something. Unless there was a significant amount of them made as in a whole production run like Lando with and with out teeth. I could be wrong.

I've only ever seen one Warok like that, so it's entirely possible that it was just an error.

LusiferSam
02-19-2008, 11:18 PM
Just a quick once of and here's what I spotted. Jedi Luke, Klaatu, and Yoda have a lot of combinations you've not listed. Second the green limb Chewie really isn't a variation, it's plastic deterioration. I'll look again tomorrow.

sjd9299
02-20-2008, 05:53 PM
Just a quick once of and here's what I spotted. Jedi Luke, Klaatu, and Yoda have a lot of combinations you've not listed. Second the green limb Chewie really isn't a variation, it's plastic deterioration. I'll look again tomorrow.

Yes, with some of them I have only listed what I have in my collection. Klaatu for instance is just too big to do. I am not sure of what other Yodas are out there. List them if you could. I know the green limb chewie is not a real variation and neither is the green hammerhead. But they do exist and I do have them so they are on my list.

LusiferSam
02-20-2008, 09:35 PM
I know the green limb chewie is not a real variation and neither is the green hammerhead. But they do exist and I do have them so they are on my list.

Then why not list yellow Stormtroopers? They also exist and I know you have one in your collection.

Yoda: Light green skin, orange eyes, orange snake, light brown cane
Yoda: Light green skin, black eyes, orange snake, (light brown cane?)
Yoda: Light green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, light brown cane
Yoda: Light green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, dark brown cane
Yoda: Mid green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, dark brown cane
Yoda: Dark green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, dark brown cane
Yoda: Dark green skin, black eyes, soft brown snake, dark brown cane
Maybe more.

Jedi Luke: Blue saber, snap cloak, gray blaster
Jedi Luke: Blue saber, sewn cloak, gray blaster
Jedi Luke: Green saber, snap cloak, gray blaster (maybe not exist)
Jedi Luke: Green saber, sewn cloak, gray blaster
Jedi Luke: Green saber, sewn cloak, brown blaster (Tri Logo)
I don't the know the body or head types well enough to say which goes this which if any.

Prune Face: Yellow eye
Prune Face: Orange eye

Luke: Yellow legs = Luke DT
This is something I just learned. But ever real DT Luke I've seen has yellow legs.

Also you've got Tri Logo, do you want other foreign variations?

bigbarada
02-20-2008, 10:55 PM
The green-limb Chewie variation is kind of a questionable one for me, but it really just boils down to why the limbs turn green:

1. Do they turn green because of specific environmental conditions? Meaning that any Chewbacca figure put under those conditions will have its limbs turn green?

2. Do they turn green because they are made of a different kind of plastic which turns green when other limbs turn different colors?

If the answer is #2, then I would definitely consider it to be a true variation.

I have a short-masked Biker Scout whose limbs and head have turned pink instead of yellow. Meaning that the limbs and head are moulded in a different kind of plastic than a Biker Scout whose limbs have turned yellow. So if it didn't have a short-mask, it could be considered a "pink-limbed" variant based on that alone.

LusiferSam
02-21-2008, 12:43 AM
I find the whole thing very clear cut. Kenner used a different plastic in the limbs of their SW figures than from the torsos. Different plastics age differently. I've seen a number of vintage SW figures who's limbs started out the same color as the torso, but one as aged different from the other. Chewie, the Stormtroopers, IG-88, Boba Fett, Luke, X-Wing Luke, Leia, and the list keeps going. Age, exposure to sunlight, humidity, and number of other factors all going in to determining how a figure ages. Green limbed Chewies and Hammerheads age just more rapidly aged figures. I go back to the example of the Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers yellow with age. Nobodies going to stand up and say their Stormtrooper and my Stormtrooper are two different variations just because they have aged differently.

bigbarada
02-21-2008, 01:52 AM
I find the whole thing very clear cut. Kenner used a different plastic in the limbs of their SW figures than from the torsos. Different plastics age differently. I've seen a number of vintage SW figures who's limbs started out the same color as the torso, but one as aged different from the other. Chewie, the Stormtroopers, IG-88, Boba Fett, Luke, X-Wing Luke, Leia, and the list keeps going. Age, exposure to sunlight, humidity, and number of other factors all going in to determining how a figure ages. Green limbed Chewies and Hammerheads age just more rapidly aged figures. I go back to the example of the Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers yellow with age. Nobodies going to stand up and say their Stormtrooper and my Stormtrooper are two different variations just because they have aged differently.

I think you missed my point. Of course the limbs and torsos are going to age differently. I was thinking about this from a more scientific perspective. For instance, if I was to take 20 brand new, perfect Chewbacca figures off of their cards and store them all in the same location under the same lighting, humidity and temperature levels for, let's say, 10 years. If 15 of those Chewbacca figures had limbs that simply turned a different shade of brown, but 5 of them turned a greenish color, then that would mean that 5 of those figures had limbs that were made of a different plastic than the other 15. Hence a variation that is only revealed by the degradation of the figure itself.

That was my point. However, nobody has ever really taken the time to scientifically examine the validity of Kenner Star Wars figure variations (and probably never willl), so we will likely only be able to guess as to why some plastics turn one color and other plastics turn a different color.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-21-2008, 08:06 PM
I assume this is a loose list (sinking any ships lately? :rolleyes: ), because I suppose "Death Squad Commander" and "Star Destroyer Commander" are "variations" of the cards. Only way you can truly have a DSC is to have it carded, like a 1975 quarter needs to be in a 1975 set (because all the '75s are '76s minted the year before). I think that's the only different name of a figure (unless you count the 2-1B and Too-One-Bee types).

Not a big fan of the variations (even though I have several), but your list is "impressive... most impressive," sjd, to steal a line.

sjd9299
02-21-2008, 10:35 PM
I assume this is a loose list (sinking any ships lately? :rolleyes: ), because I suppose "Death Squad Commander" and "Star Destroyer Commander" are "variations" of the cards. Only way you can truly have a DSC is to have it carded, like a 1975 quarter needs to be in a 1975 set (because all the '75s are '76s minted the year before). I think that's the only different name of a figure (unless you count the 2-1B and Too-One-Bee types).

Not a big fan of the variations (even though I have several), but your list is "impressive... most impressive," sjd, to steal a line.

Yes a loose list. I am glad you think it is impressive. I stems mostly from buying entire collections and then holding each of the same figure up next to each other looking for any differences. I did it at first to justify keeping so many around. "Why don't you sell some of those extras?" "I can't, they are all different!"

sjd9299
02-21-2008, 10:39 PM
Then why not list yellow Stormtroopers? They also exist and I know you have one in your collection.

Yoda: Light green skin, orange eyes, orange snake, light brown cane
Yoda: Light green skin, black eyes, orange snake, (light brown cane?)
Yoda: Light green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, light brown cane
Yoda: Light green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, dark brown cane
Yoda: Mid green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, dark brown cane
Yoda: Dark green skin, black eyes, hard brown snake, dark brown cane
Yoda: Dark green skin, black eyes, soft brown snake, dark brown cane
Maybe more.

Jedi Luke: Blue saber, snap cloak, gray blaster
Jedi Luke: Blue saber, sewn cloak, gray blaster
Jedi Luke: Green saber, snap cloak, gray blaster (maybe not exist)
Jedi Luke: Green saber, sewn cloak, gray blaster
Jedi Luke: Green saber, sewn cloak, brown blaster (Tri Logo)
I don't the know the body or head types well enough to say which goes this which if any.

Prune Face: Yellow eye
Prune Face: Orange eye

Luke: Yellow legs = Luke DT
This is something I just learned. But ever real DT Luke I've seen has yellow legs.

Also you've got Tri Logo, do you want other foreign variations?

I put the Tri-Logo on there because Rebel Scum listed them. I am not really interested in foreign variations. I also try to keep figure and weapon variations separate. As in I am not worried about which Luke Jedi figure went with which accessories. The only way to prove that is to have a MOC example and this is a loose figure list. If you see what I mean.

Also, I am not sure on the DT yellow leg thing. I bought my DT saber Luke in a collection from a guy cleaning out his closet. He was a walk in at a toy show. He did not know what it was or that it was special. Someone trying to pass off a fake would have shown me that it was a DT or mentioned that Luke a different long saber or some such. Also, the plastic was dry and brittle and cracking at the end, not something you expect to see in a fake. But, still I do not know for sure if mine is real or not. I do know that the Luke that was holding the DT is not the Luke I have with the yellow pants.

sjd9299
02-21-2008, 10:41 PM
I think you missed my point. Of course the limbs and torsos are going to age differently. I was thinking about this from a more scientific perspective. For instance, if I was to take 20 brand new, perfect Chewbacca figures off of their cards and store them all in the same location under the same lighting, humidity and temperature levels for, let's say, 10 years. If 15 of those Chewbacca figures had limbs that simply turned a different shade of brown, but 5 of them turned a greenish color, then that would mean that 5 of those figures had limbs that were made of a different plastic than the other 15. Hence a variation that is only revealed by the degradation of the figure itself.

That was my point. However, nobody has ever really taken the time to scientifically examine the validity of Kenner Star Wars figure variations (and probably never willl), so we will likely only be able to guess as to why some plastics turn one color and other plastics turn a different color.


I know exactly what you are trying to say and I agree with you. I count the green limb Chewie as a true variation. I do not think all Chewbaccas age in this way. Only the Chewbaccas that have a certain plastic mix the made their limbs. I do not think all Chewbaccas have the same plastic mix for their limbs. And so, if it was amde out of different plastic then other Chewbaccas, it is a variation.

LusiferSam
02-25-2008, 04:30 PM
I understand the point bigbarada and sjd9299 are both making quite clearly. However I don't think I'm being very clear in what I'm saying, so you guys have misunderstood me. Every "green limbs" Chewbacca I've seen all of the limbs of the figure have the same level of discoloration. Carded or loose, the limbs always match. This is inconsistent with the way the figures were made. Chewbacca truly had limbs variation, like Klaatu, one should see a mix of limb colors.

Limbs were made than tossed in a bin before going to the next stage of assembly. If different plastics were used, you should see a mix of limb colors. This is because the four limbs tossed in four different bins would be mixed went assembled. A worker wouldn't know the difference or care. This is the case with Klaatu. We see a mix of limbs. All gray, all tan, some tan and some gray. With Chewbacca we see what we have with Princess Leia and the Stormtrooper, consistent limb discoloration. That leads me to conclude that what we are seeing is plastic deterioration and a not true variation.

LusiferSam
02-25-2008, 08:31 PM
If you see what I mean.
No, I really don't. It's your list, do what you want with it.


Also, I am not sure on the DT yellow leg thing.

This is thing I just learned few weeks ago. I think it's better to say that DT Lukes have yellow legs. Not that all yellow leg Lukes should be have DT saber. Any way I was read a discussion over at scum and number of credible people mentioned this. I starting looking, and should enough every real DT Luke I could find a photo of has yellow legs. Now I did find one photo of a carded figure I was wasn't sure on. It had yellow legs, but was too hard to see if it was a DT saber. I'm still incline to say what you're paying for is the saber and not the figure.

sjd9299
02-25-2008, 10:19 PM
I put the Tri-Logo on there because Rebel Scum listed them. I am not really interested in foreign variations. I also try to keep figure and weapon variations separate. As in I am not worried about which Luke Jedi figure went with which accessories. The only way to prove that is to have a MOC example and this is a loose figure list. If you see what I mean.

Also, I am not sure on the DT yellow leg thing. I bought my DT saber Luke in a collection from a guy cleaning out his closet. He was a walk in at a toy show. He did not know what it was or that it was special. Someone trying to pass off a fake would have shown me that it was a DT or mentioned that Luke a different long saber or some such. Also, the plastic was dry and brittle and cracking at the end, not something you expect to see in a fake. But, still I do not know for sure if mine is real or not. I do know that the Luke that was holding the DT is not the Luke I have with the yellow pants.

Very good point. I may have to agree with you.

LusiferSam
02-26-2008, 02:09 PM
Very good point. I may have to agree with you.

Huh? Did you mean to quote me and quote yourself by accident?

Anyway. I've been looking for this on RS and been having trouble finding it. That because it's on the SWCA. So here's the SWCA variation list (http://theswca.com/textf/sw-figure-variations.html). I wouldn't call it the definitive variation list, but it's a good one. One reason I like it is they rate the commonality of the variations (who knows if it's right). There's a few there that aren't on your list sjd9299.

sjd9299
02-26-2008, 08:48 PM
Huh? Did you me to quote me and quote yourself by accident?

Anyway. I've been looking for this on RS and been having trouble finding it. That because it's on the SWCA. So here's the SWCA variation list (http://theswca.com/textf/sw-figure-variations.html). I wouldn't call it the definitive variation list, but it's a good one. One reason I like it is they rate the commonality of the variations (who knows if it's right). There's a few there that aren't on your list sjd9299.


That list is awesome. I built mine mostly off what I have in my own collection and the information on Rebel Scum. It looks like that list has the input of many collectors, so it is quite complete. I love the "how hard is it to find" section.

bigbarada
02-27-2008, 12:09 AM
Well, reading what qualifies as a variation on that list, then I've found two more POTF variations.

Amanaman:
1985 POTF carded release - red eyes
1984 ROTJ Jabba's Dungeon release - dark red eyes

EV-9D9:
1985 POTF carded release - yellow eyes
1984 ROTJ Jabba's Dungeon release - orange eyes

bigbarada
02-27-2008, 02:46 AM
I promised photos to back up my variation claims so here they are:

Amanaman:
On the left side you see the 1984 Jabba's Dungeon figure and the eyes are clearly smaller and painted in a darker red color than the standard POTF release figure on the right.

EV-9D9:
Again, the 1984 Jabba's Dungeon figure is on the left and, even though it's not a great photo, you can clearly see that the eyes are more of an orangish-yellow and appear larger when compared to the standard POTF release on the right.

bigbarada
02-27-2008, 02:50 AM
Last one is Barada:

Again, this is the 1984 Jabba's Dungeon version of Barada and his datestamp says 1984 instead of 1985 like the standard POTF release. I've attached two photos to show the datestamp.

The third photo is a direct comparison of the JD Barada (left) and the POTF Barada (right). You can see that the JD Barada has a slightly darker shade of red to his bandana.

LusiferSam
02-27-2008, 08:54 PM
I promised photos to back up my variation claims so here they are:

Amanaman:
On the left side you see the 1984 Jabba's Dungeon figure and the eyes are clearly smaller and painted in a darker red color than the standard POTF release figure on the right.

EV-9D9:
Again, the 1984 Jabba's Dungeon figure is on the left and, even though it's not a great photo, you can clearly see that the eyes are more of an orangish-yellow and appear larger when compared to the standard POTF release on the right.

Cool. Amanaman is real clearly different. I can see the eyes on EV-9D9 are bigger, but the color is hard for me to tell. Do the Dungeon versions of EV-9D9 and Amanaman also have 1984 date stamps? I went at looked at mine to see which version I had. All three are the standard POTF versions.

On a side note, I was looking of the SWCA list and saw a ribbed cape and coat of Squid Head and Yoda. Any clue what they mean by "ribbed?" The reason I ask is because I think I have both.

sjd9299
02-27-2008, 09:34 PM
The "ribbed" is refering to the cloth used having distinct ribbing in horizontal lines all through the fabric. I have one of these and it is very noticable difference from the usual cape. The Yoda is the same thing but the one I have is not very pronounced because of the light color.

bigbarada
02-27-2008, 10:59 PM
Cool. Amanaman is real clearly different. I can see the eyes on EV-9D9 are bigger, but the color is hard for me to tell. Do the Dungeon versions of EV-9D9 and Amanaman also have 1984 date stamps? I went at looked at mine to see which version I had. All three are the standard POTF versions.

My Jabba's Dungeon EV-9D9 and Amanaman both have 1985 datestamps. Barada is the only one that says 1984.

I've been on the lookout for other Jabba's Dungeon sets, and every one that I've seen (except for mine) has the same figures as the standard POTF releases.

I got my Jabba's Dungeon from a friend in college who had received it brand-new when he was a kid in 1984 and played with the set just as much as he did his other figures, so they're all pretty play worn. But it's starting to seem like these are pretty hard to find variations, but then I guess any variation of the POTF figures would be pretty rare.

I need to get a better picture of the EV-9D9s, it's a lot clearer in person.