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Mad Slanted Powers
02-21-2008, 07:55 PM
This thread is to discuss the results of the various most wanted figure polls that have been going on. This way, we can close the poll threads so that people don't continue to vote there.

I'll begin by reposting the EU Poll Results. I haven't removed any announced figures, but I have highlighted the ones I am aware of. Please post any others that I have not highlighted, or correct me if I've highlighted one that hasn't been announced. I'll post more stats and info on the poll later. Sunday night I will post the results of the ANH poll.

The file containing the complete results can be found at http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. I created the document in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice. I saved it as an Excel file, so I don't know how well the formatting will be preserved.

So, here are the figures that 37 of us have voted on as our most wanted EU figures:

1. Guri.....801 points (22 votes)
2. Jaina Solo.....775 points (23 votes)
3. Jacen Solo.....753 points (22 votes)
4. Joruus C'baoth.....733 points (21 votes)
5. Pellaeon.....634 points (18 votes)
6. Talon Karrde.....592 points (16 votes)
7. Nom Anor.....573 points (17 votes)
8. Exar Kun.....550 points (18 votes)
9. Admiral Daala.....545 points (19 votes)
10. Corran Horn.....510 points (14 votes)
11. Leebo.....508 points (16 votes)
12. Anakin Solo.....470 points (16 votes)
13. K'Kruhk.....469 points (14 votes)
14. Kyle Katarn.....435 points (16 votes)
15. Yuuzhan Vong Warrior.....432 points (15 votes)
16. Nomi Sunrider.....427 points (14 votes)
17. Ulic Qel-Droma.....424 points (15 votes)
18. Ysanne Isard.....423 points (16 votes)
19. Noghri.....417 points (15 votes)
20. Kyp Duron.....415 points (15 votes)
21. Mara Jade Skywalker.....397 points (12 votes)
22. Ben Skywalker.....383 points (15 votes)
23. HK-47.....362 points (9 votes)
24. Tenel Ka Djo.....344 points (13 votes)
25. Teek.....335 points (8 votes)
26. Lumpawarrump.....331 points (10 votes)
27. Lumiya.....329 points (13 votes)
28. Lowbacca.....327 points (14 votes)
29. Dash Rendar.....318 points (9 votes)
30. Borsk Fey'lya.....315 points (12 votes)
31. Montross.....308 points (9 votes)
32. Winter.....305 points (12 votes)
33. Leia Organa Solo older.....297 points (12 votes)
34. Mallatobuck.....290 points (10 votes)
35. Saesee Tiin in armor.....267 points (8 votes)
36t. Obi-Wan Clone Trooper Armor.....266 points (6 votes)
36t. Tahiri Veila.....266 points (9 votes)
38. Siri Tachi.....256 points (9 votes)
39. Han Solo older.....248 points (12 votes)
40. Rukh.....237 points (8 votes)
41. Darth Plagueis.....233 points (7 votes)
42t. Anakin Solo Jedi.....228 points (6 votes)
42t. IG Lancer Droid.....228 points (7 votes)
42t. Thrawn.....228 points (7 votes)
45t. Attichitcuk.....226 points (7 votes)
45t. Tsavong Lah.....226 points (10 votes)
47. Jaster Mereel.....218 points (8 votes)
48. Clone SCUBA Trooper.....216 points (6 votes)
49. Cindel Towani.....212 points (9 votes)
50. Kneesa.....211 points (6 votes)
51. Ackmena.....205 points (7 votes)
52. Vergere.....196 points (8 votes)
53. Noa Briqualon.....195 points (5 votes)
54. Bastila Shan.....194 points (5 votes)
55. Khabarakh.....191 points (7 votes)
56. Jaxxon.....189 points (4 votes)
57t. Garm Bel Iblis.....182 points (8 votes)
57t. Jagged Fel.....182 points (8 votes)
59. Kam Solusar.....180 points (7 votes)
60. Chukha-Trok.....165 points (4 votes)
61. Komari Vosa.....159 points (5 votes)
62. Jaina Solo Pilot.....155 points (6 votes)
63. Luke Skywalker older.....150 points (6 votes)
64. Voort “Piggy” saBingring.....147 points (5 votes)
65. Dathomir Nightsister.....144 points (7 votes)
66. Jodo Kast.....143 points (6 votes)
67. Mara Jade (Arica).....142 points (5 votes)
68. Roz.....141 points (5 votes)
69t. Deliah Blue.....139 points (5 votes)
69t. Mirax Terrik.....139 points (4 votes)
71. Jerec.....138 points (4 votes)
72. Jan Ors.....137 points (5 votes)
73t. Darth Krayt.....135 points (8 votes)
73t. Tank Sunber.....135 points (5 votes)
75. Koth Melan.....133 points (5 votes)
76. Sedriss.....131 points (4 votes)
77. King Terak.....122 points (3 votes)
78. Shimrra Jamaane.....121 points (6 votes)
79. T3-M4.....120 points (4 votes)
80. Obi-Wan Jedi Apprentice.....119 points (5 votes)
81. Tarr Seirr.....117 points (3 votes)
82t. Camie Loneozner.....116 points (4 votes)
82t. Darth Caedus.....116 points (5 votes)
84t. Jacen Solo Apprentice.....112 points (5 votes)
84t. Whistler.....112 points (4 votes)
86t. Cay Qel-Droma.....110 points (5 votes)
86t. Corran Horn Pilot.....110 points (3 votes)
88t. Mon Calamari Knights.....108 points (3 votes)
88t. Ooryl Qrygg.....108 points (5 votes)
90t. Bollux & Blue Max.....106 points (5 votes)
90t. Cilghal.....106 points (3 votes)
90t. Quarren Isolationist.....106 points (3 votes)
93t. Dani.....105 points (3 votes)
93t. Gavin Darklighter.....105 points (5 votes)
95t. Cade Skywalker.....104 points (5 votes)
95t. Jix.....104 points (3 votes)
97. Mace Towani.....103 points (4 votes)
98. Vlix.....102 points (6 votes)
99. Saba Sebatyne.....100 points (4 votes)
100t. Ailyn Vel.....96 points (3 votes)
100t. Jaina Solo Apprentice.....96 points (5 votes)

Kidhuman
02-21-2008, 08:35 PM
I closed the EU thread for you.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-21-2008, 08:57 PM
Thank you very much.

Guri came on strong at the end to surpass the Solo twins. She had the most top 5 votes with 9, the most top 10 votes with 11, and had three 1st place votes, trailing only Corran Horn, who had 4.

Of my votes, 22 made the top 50. Others had more of their selections make the top 50. Here are those who had more than 20 picks make the top 50.

32 artist03
30 Adam
28 Tycho
27 El Chuxter
27 mericen
26 pbarnard
25 DarkJedi5
25 Farseer1138
24 Dark Artist
24 Sinscia Fat'o
24 toonimator
24 Umbra
23 jediguy
23 TheRealDubya
22 evenflow
22 Mad Slanted Powers
21 Phantom-like Menace
20 metaljedi

Kidhuman
02-21-2008, 09:04 PM
I am pleased that 7 of the 100 are coming this year. I hope SDCC leads to announcing of some more. The only one I didnt vote for was Cade Skywalker. Of the top ten I would love to see

4. Joruus C'baoth.....733 points (21 votes)
5. Pellaeon.....634 points (18 votes)
9. Admiral Daala.....545 points (19 votes)

made. I really want some Bounty Hunter figs made. I am also surprised C-3PX didnt make the top 100. Where did he rank MSP?

Mad Slanted Powers
02-21-2008, 09:12 PM
I am pleased that 7 of the 100 are coming this year. I hope SDCC leads to announcing of some more. The only one I didnt vote for was Cade Skywalker. Of the top ten I would love to see

4. Joruus C'baoth.....733 points (21 votes)
5. Pellaeon.....634 points (18 votes)
9. Admiral Daala.....545 points (19 votes)

made. I really want some Bounty Hunter figs made. I am also surprised C-3PX didnt make the top 100. Where did he rank MSP?Tied for 134th with 76 points. He only had 4 votes.

Three others I was unsure of highlighting were Quarren Isolationist, Mon Calamari Knights and Tank Sunber. There are Quarren and Mon Cal figures coming up, and Lt. Sunber has been rumored for a comic pack.

Kidhuman
02-21-2008, 09:14 PM
I would mark them off. If they are from the CW cartoon then those are the ones.

El Chuxter
02-21-2008, 09:36 PM
If you combine the votes for different Jaina and Jacen figures (including, loathe as I am to say it, Darth Caedus), they outranked Guri, though.

I'm a little surprised Corran didn't fare better. Out of curiosity, where did Zorba wind up?

Mad Slanted Powers
02-21-2008, 10:34 PM
If you combine the votes for different Jaina and Jacen figures (including, loathe as I am to say it, Darth Caedus), they outranked Guri, though.[/url]This is true. I wasn't sure how to assign the votes either for all of the Solo kids.

I'm a little surprised Corran didn't fare better. Out of curiosity, where did Zorba wind up?Only 2 votes for a total of 81 points, tied for 128th. Corran was my top pick. He also received 3 votes as a pilot for 110 points, which, when added to his total, would move him into 6th.

Tycho
02-22-2008, 03:50 AM
My compliments to MadSlantedPowers who did an excellent job tallying the EU poll and all the others he has worked so hard on.

I will consider the results further and add anything else I have to offer later, but for now I'll say that I think the outcome we got was rather predictable. That being said, it helps to cement those findings with proof instead of just relegating it to theory.

Again to MSP: Good job!:thumbsup:

EDIT: Guri is an excellent choice for becoming the apparent leading EU in demand figure. Indeed, I could use a few multiple figures of her for SOTE scenes I want to display. As the next SOTE figure voted for, Leebo might pack nicely with her in a comic-set, but tan vest Luke would be more logical. Leebo would go well with a Dash Rendar resculpt (which wouldn't be my choice, but still be logical to produce).

I'm glad that 28 of my Top 50 (or over half of them) seemed very reasonable choices to many people. That's cool to see as well.

C'Boath and Palleon could also do well together to continue the HTTE figure sets.

Meanwhile, the next generation of Star Wars heroes are Han and Leia's Jedi children. Once again, Hasbro needs to acknowledge the demand for Jaina, Jacen, and Anakin Solo, and NJO figures in general. I would buy the most of a Yuuzhan Vong warrior figure should they release this, but how many times can we show them it'd be a smart idea?

Knowing that the choices for figures left to do from the movies are withering down to very few that are REALLY interesting AND new, the rest of the possibilities being resculpts of characters I already have and don't care if they further improve, I think the EU has some of the strongest possibilities. That doesn't mean figures from these winners will be my first choice however. I have to wait and see which characters win that I can use the most. But we're off to a good start.

JediTricks
02-22-2008, 09:47 PM
I was out yesterday when the poll ended, so thanks to KH for closing it.


Shouldn't " 63. Luke Skywalker older.....150 points (6 votes)" be highlighted too since we have an older Luke in the Jedi Legacy Evolutions set?

I'm glad to see Leebo has a good showing.

Tycho
02-22-2008, 10:04 PM
Shouldn't " 63. Luke Skywalker older.....150 points (6 votes)" be highlighted too since we have an older Luke in the Jedi Legacy Evolutions set?



I PM'd MSP about that same issue. It depends what everyone wants in a Luke. But yes, he IS exactly what we voted for in the absence of any more specifics.

There is a great Legacy comic cover with Luke in Jedi robes like Obi-Wan Kenobi wore in ANY film appearance (OT or PT, though the OT robes were longer). Luke is a Jedi Spirit in the actual comic, but a totally solid figure of Luke in this outfit would be both very cheap for Hasbro to produce (just use an Obi-Wan body and a new Luke headsculpt) and kind of cool.

Also a different variation on the black and gray that I typically envision Luke as wearing after ROTJ is also a possibility. The Evolutions Skywalker figure is wearing red, which doesn't sit too well with me, and doesn't trigger any specific memory of any particular artwork I've ever seen depicting the older Luke. And he comes with NO (zero) Jedi robe - unless you put Qui-Gon's on him. But Luke tends to wear black, not brown.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-22-2008, 10:35 PM
I PM'd MSP about that same issue. It depends what everyone wants in a Luke. But yes, he IS exactly what we voted for in the absence of any more specifics.I agree that it depends on what people actually want in an older Luke figure. I've not really seen any images of him from that time other than browsing the book covers. I guess I would expect him to have an older looking face and a darker outfit. I haven't heard what the source material is for the Evolutions figure. Whether it stays on the list won't affect our Phase 2 voting since it is so far down the list.

Luke Skywalker spirit did get one vote for 19 points.

JediTricks
02-22-2008, 11:52 PM
Yeah, I don't think much of that Luke either Tycho, I think we talked about that the other day. I wonder if it'd be better in a robe though, haven't considered that yet. The outfit is too prequely though.

Kidhuman
02-23-2008, 05:40 AM
I was out yesterday when the poll ended, so thanks to KH for closing it.


Shouldn't " 63. Luke Skywalker older.....150 points (6 votes)" be highlighted too since we have an older Luke in the Jedi Legacy Evolutions set?

I'm glad to see Leebo has a good showing.


No problem. I PM'd MSP about closing times and dates for the others as well.

I didnt think about that Luke # 63, but you are right, it should be off IMO.

Tycho
02-23-2008, 10:39 AM
I was looking carefully at that Luke figure yesterday.

Luke ages from 19 to 23 years old during the 4 years the OT takes place over.

New Jedi Order is 25 years after ANH, or taking place over 5 years when Luke is 44-49 years old.

I'm not exactly sure how you age an action figure on the 3 3/4" scale, but that Luke figure does not look even 44 years old.

I'm trying to think of 3 3/4" action figures who are supposed to be that age. General Rieeken perhaps? Maybe Motti? I guess it's tough to say they look middle-aged, but they certainly don't look 23. Most of the Luke figures, including that NJO Luke, look a bit on the young side.

You can still make a figure look like Mark Hamill today (aged to his 50's now I suppose) and it look like "Luke WOULD" were he in his 40's. But it's not going to be, nor should it be, recognizeable as the 23 year old character.

Sinscia Fat'o
02-23-2008, 01:20 PM
Wow, Great poll guys! Good to see a lot of the figures from the EU get some love! Guri is the logical choice for the next in-demand EU figure and hopefully hasbro will take notice of her eventually. It was also good to see Exar Kun make the top ten!

JediTricks
02-23-2008, 04:41 PM
I think it can pass for Hamill from about 10 years ago, like when he did "Just Shoot Me", that pretty much looks like the figure in that set.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-23-2008, 06:48 PM
With the Luke deal, that won't really affect our poll much. It's not going to make it to Phase 2. I think that if we have the EU list submitted to Hasbro, we don't necessarily need to remove stuff, because it might be interesting to note what they have already made from the list. With Luke, we could note that some feel that another older Luke could be made.

Of more concern to our voting will be dealing with the Solo kids. It won't affect Jaina and Jacen, because they are solidly in the top 5. However, Anakin has 470 points in 12th place plus another 228 points as Anakin Solo Jedi in 42nd place. Add those together and he jumps to 5th place. These were how the votes went and how I allocated.

I assigned the following votes as simply "Anakin Solo"

Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo
Anakin Solo (Jedi apprentice)
Anakin Solo (Jedi apprentice)
Anakin Solo (Jedi apprentice)
Anakin Solo, Tween

I assigned the following as "Anakin Solo Jedi"

Anakin Solo - "New Jedi Order" "Star By Star"
Anakin Solo - Jedi Knight (Star By Star, definitely as an older teen)
Anakin Solo (NJO Jedi Apprentice)
Anakin Solo (Older Teen/Jedi)
Anakin Solo, NJO Era
Anakin Solo(NJO)

Let me know what you think about how these votes should be assigned.

Tycho
02-23-2008, 08:29 PM
Well, remember, for even a 5th place Anakin Solo to rank in the Phase II polling,

1. Guri.....801 points (22 votes)
2. Jaina Solo.....775 points (23 votes)
3. Jacen Solo.....753 points (22 votes)
4. Joruus C'baoth.....733 points (21 votes)

each might have to be able to hold some rank next to 45 MOVIE characters. The choices above might beat some podracers from TPM, but what if they still can't even do that?

I don't know how the EU will do competing next to the movie line. This hasn't really been polled this thorougly ever before.

Then the next question about Anakin Solo would be if he can rank against 38 movie characters along with these colleagues that defeated him and relegated him to 12th place.

5. Pellaeon.....634 points (18 votes)
6. Talon Karrde.....592 points (16 votes)
7. Nom Anor.....573 points (17 votes)
8. Exar Kun.....550 points (18 votes)
9. Admiral Daala.....545 points (19 votes)
10. Corran Horn.....510 points (14 votes)
11. Leebo.....508 points (16 votes)

Are all these characters more interesting than podracers? That's really the question.

(I'm crafting my opinion using some insider information that MSP gave me regarding the probable (BUT NOT YET CONFIRMED) winners from some of the other polls.

In general, ANH = cantina aliens, ESB = hero resculpts, TPM = podracers, and AOTC = Padme / Secondary "B-list" characters, almost all ladies. We're at the bottom of the barrel, folks. ROTJ will likely be Jabba-thugs, btw, and ROTS - droids, Padme, and Bail Organa if I had to guess.

Does the Top 12 amongst the EU excite you more than these movie options? How many of the top EU choices is that true for? So where do you want to see Anakin Solo enter the competition on this list, next to the other choices?

Me? I'm fine with young Solo being ranked at No. 12. I want #'s 1-8 each more than him, but I care less about Daala, Horn, and Leebo. I don't suppose I really need Exar Kun, but he'd be an awesome figure, so...

I don't see a reason for messing with Anakin's standing based on my preferences. I'm not the objective person to ask though.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-24-2008, 06:34 PM
Okay, below are the results from the ANH poll. That thread will be closed.

I've saved the file with the results to http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. The file is called "ANH Figure Poll". I created it in an Open Office program on the Mac called NeoOffice, but I saved it as an Excel file, so I don't know how well the formatting will be preserved.

I counted votes for 38 people in this poll. Here are a few other stats:

Dr. Evazan and Brea Tonnika tied for the most top 5 votes with 12. They, along with Dice Ibegon, had the most 1st place votes with 4.

The following people had more than 15 of their votes make the top 25.

19 Rogue II
17 Droid
16 Kidhuman
15 Droidworld
15 El Chuxter
15 jberlin
15 jedi master sal
15 Mad Slanted Powers
15 Obi-Jiff Kenobi


1. Dr. Evazan.....487 points (28 votes)
2. Brea Tonnika.....465 points (28 votes)
3. Wioslea.....436 points (27 votes)
4. Senni Tonnika.....424 points (27 votes)
5. Bom Vimdin.....414 points (24 votes)
6. Brainiac.....327 points (20 votes)
7. Dice Ibegon.....316 points (21 votes)
8. Uncle Owen.....312 points (19 votes)
9. WED-15-ST68.....303 points (17 votes)
10. Saurin.....267 points (18 votes)
11. Trinto Duaba.....251 points (24 votes)
12. Tzizvvt.....233 points (17 votes)
13. Red Leader.....232 points (13 votes)
14. Rebel Technician.....221 points (18 votes)
15. Mosep Binneed .....217 points (12 votes)
16. Ponda Baba.....216 points (14 votes)
17. Baniss Keeg.....215 points (18 votes)
18. Reegesk.....203 points (14 votes)
19. Commander Praji.....194 points (16 votes)
20. Pello Scrambas.....190 points (12 votes)
21. Red Leader's R5 Unit.....189 points (12 votes)
22. R5-A2.....187 points (14 votes)
23. Commander Willard.....174 points (13 votes)
24. Obi-Wan Kenobi.....159 points (9 votes)
25. Imperial Officer (grey uniform).....156 points (10 votes)
26. John D. Branon – Red 4.....147 points (10 votes)
27. Solomahal.....146 points (10 votes)
28. Arleil Schous.....144 points (14 votes)
29. U-3PO.....142 points (10 votes)
30. Luke with removable stormtrooper belt.....141 points (9 votes)
31. Blue R3 on Death Star.....140 points (12 votes)
32. WED-9 M1 Bantha droid .....139 points (9 votes)
33. Tiree - Gold 2.....132 points (10 votes)
34t. Danz Borin.....131 points (10 votes)
34t. Han Solo as Stormtrooper.....131 points (7 votes)
34t. Melas.....131 points (13 votes)
37. Leesub Sirln - “Weird Girl”.....128 points (13 votes)
38. Davish "Pops" Krail - Gold 5.....124 points (9 votes)
39. Rycar Ryjerd.....116 points (11 votes)
40. Han Solo Yavin Ceremony.....115 points (8 votes)
41. Spacetrooper (seen when Falcon is tractored in).....114 points (10 votes)
42. Wedge's R2.....110 points (8 votes)
43. R2 Green Horizontal Stripes.....101 points (9 votes)
44. Imperial Officer in tunic.....97 points (9 votes)
45. Swilla Corey.....92 points (6 votes)
46. Cantina Band Member.....91 points (6 votes)
47. Boelo.....82 points (7 votes)
48t. Daine Jir.....79 points (5 votes)
48t. Garouf Lafoe.....79 points (7 votes)
48t. Human Jabba the Hutt stand-in.....79 points (5 votes)
51. Leia ANH with removable hood-up/hood-down pieces.....75 points (4 votes)
52t. Blown up R2-D2.....69 points (5 votes)
52t. M-HYD .....69 points (5 votes)
54t. Del Goren.....63 points (5 votes)
54t. Gela Yeens.....63 points (6 votes)
56. Kal'Falnl C'ndros.....58 points (4 votes)
57t. Het Nkik.....54 points (5 votes)
57t. Imperial Officer (white tunic, black pants, black hat).....54 points (5 votes)
59. Theron Nett – Red 10.....53 points (5 votes)
60. Brindy Truchong.....50 points (4 votes)
61. Pol Treidum.....48 points (5 votes)
62t. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper disguise.....43 points (2 votes)
62t. R2-D2 with data arm.....43 points (2 votes)
62t. White R5 (seen in briefing room).....43 points (3 votes)
65. Pilot Chewie.....42 points (5 votes)
66. R2-D2 Ion shot.....41 points (3 votes)
67. Lieutenant Shann Childsen.....39 points (5 votes)
68t. Camie.....37 points (3 votes)
68t. Khurgee.....37 points (4 votes)
70t. Lirin Car'n.....33 points (5 votes)
70t. Tarkin.....33 points (2 votes)
72. Aunt Beru.....30 points (2 votes)
73t. Bob Hudsol.....29 points (3 votes)
73t. Chess Pieces x 8.....29 points (2 votes)
73t. Han with removable stormtrooper belt.....29 points (3 votes)
73t. R2-A5.....29 points (2 votes)
77. 2X-3KPR / 2X-7KPR.....27 points (2 votes)
78t. Gonk.....25 points (1 vote)
78t. Yerka Mig.....25 points (2 votes)
80. RA-7.....24 points (2 votes)
81. Fixer.....23 points (2 votes)
82t. Boba Fett (wearing Poncho).....20 points (1 vote)
82t. Dead Jawa.....20 points (2 votes)
82t. Nevar Yalnal (tall Ranat).....20 points (2 votes)
85t. Dianoga.....19 points (2 votes)
85t. Leia Organa Ceremony Resculpt.....19 points (1 vote)
87t. Crispy Beru and Owen.....18 points (1 vote)
87t. Moradmin Bast.....18 points (2 votes)
89t. Crispy Owen.....16 points (4 votes)
89t. Death Star Droid – Silver.....16 points (1 vote)
91t. Brangus Glee.....15 points (1 vote)
91t. Evram Lajaie.....15 points (1 vote)
91t. Fat Bearded Human (Jabba’s Henchman).....15 points (2 votes)
91t. TIE Pilot with Removable Helmet.....15 points (1 vote)
91t. Yellow Spacer.....15 points (1 vote)
96t. Bald Imperial in DS breifing room.....14 points (1 vote)
96t. Crispy Beru.....14 points (3 votes)
98t. Mantellian Savrip.....11 points (1 vote)
98t. Niado Duegad.....11 points (1 vote)
98t. Rebel brown uniform.....11 points (1 vote)
101t. Debnoli.....10 points (1 vote)
101t. Ket Maliss.....10 points (1 vote)
101t. Kintan Strider.....10 points (1 vote)
104. Daroe (Jawa with Cloth Cape).....9 points (1 vote)
105. Death Star Trooper – Vintage.....7 points (1 vote)
106. Houjix.....5 points (1 vote)
107t. Ghhhk.....4 points (1 vote)
107t. Tatooine Midget Lady.....4 points (1 vote)
109t. CZ-1.....3 points (1 vote)
109t. Jenny.....3 points (1 vote)
109t. Monnok.....3 points (1 vote)
112t. Captain Bolvan.....2 points (1 vote)
112t. Grimtaash.....2 points (1 vote)
112t. Lieutenant Tanbris.....2 points (1 vote)
115t. Ng'ok.....1 points (1 vote)
115t. Rebel in green outfit.....1 points (1 vote)

pegger
02-24-2008, 06:52 PM
Not too bad from my persepective. There's only 4 of my choices that didn't make the top 50 - (All in the top "62") - and one of those (that didn't make it) is being made already (blown up R2)

I have 6 in the top 10, 4 more in 11 to 20, 3 more in 21 to 30, 5 in 31 to 40, and 3 more in 41 to 50.

Only one of my top 10 made it to the top 10, and only 8 of my top 10 made it to the top 50.

The top 50 does have a good mix of aliens, droids, rebel pilots, imperials and humans.

My only suggestion is when figures are tied by points, they should be ranked by # of votes. For example, in the #48's we have:

48t. Daine Jir.....79 points (5 votes)
48t. Garouf Lafoe.....79 points (7 votes)
48t. Human Jabba the Hutt stand-in.....79 points (5 votes)

I would suggest that Garouf should rank higher - as he received more votes.

pegger
02-24-2008, 06:54 PM
Not too bad from my persepective. There's only 4 of my choices that didn't make the top 50 - (All in the top "62") - and one of those (that didn't make it) is being made already (blown up R2)

I have 6 in the top 10, 4 more in 11 to 20, 3 more in 21 to 30, 5 in 31 to 40, and 3 more in 41 to 50.

Only one of my top 10 made it to the top 10, and only 8 of my top 10 made it to the top 50.

The top 50 does have a good mix of aliens, droids, rebel pilots, imperials and humans.

edit - I saw after you closed - I was supposed to post here - went back to edit - but couldn't. Sorry!

Kidhuman
02-24-2008, 06:58 PM
Thread closed

Mad Slanted Powers
02-24-2008, 07:00 PM
Not too bad from my persepective. There's only 4 of my choices that didn't make the top 50 - (All in the top "62") - and one of those (that didn't make it) is being made already (blown up R2)

I have 6 in the top 10, 4 more in 11 to 20, 3 more in 21 to 30, 5 in 31 to 40, and 3 more in 41 to 50.

Only one of my top 10 made it to the top 10, and only 8 of my top 10 made it to the top 50.

The top 50 does have a good mix of aliens, droids, rebel pilots, imperials and humans.

My only suggestion is when figures are tied by points, they should be ranked by # of votes. For example, in the #48's we have:

48t. Daine Jir.....79 points (5 votes)
48t. Garouf Lafoe.....79 points (7 votes)
48t. Human Jabba the Hutt stand-in.....79 points (5 votes)That is a good suggestion. I sorted them by points and then alphabetically, since I had not yet calculated the number of votes when I sorted them.

Kidhuman
02-24-2008, 07:02 PM
Either way, they still have the same amount of points, which is what mattered in the end. The less votes is actually better since they ranked higher, the more votes with the same points means they ranked lower.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-24-2008, 07:09 PM
I also found another error, as I have Bast and Moradmin Bast on the list with a vote each. He's already been made though, but the one vote wanted a hat on him.

JediTricks
02-24-2008, 11:14 PM
My only suggestion is when figures are tied by points, they should be ranked by # of votes. For example, in the #48's we have:

48t. Daine Jir.....79 points (5 votes)
48t. Garouf Lafoe.....79 points (7 votes)
48t. Human Jabba the Hutt stand-in.....79 points (5 votes)

I would suggest that Garouf should rank higher - as he received more votes.More votes in a tie means less interest from voter average, but you do make a good point, more people overall want them.

Lord Malakite
02-25-2008, 04:16 AM
So how do you guys plan to handle the charred Beru and Owen figures? There are three listings for those two figures.


87t. Crispy Beru and Owen.....18 points (1 vote)
89t. Crispy Owen.....16 points (4 votes)
96t. Crispy Beru.....14 points (3 votes)

Tycho
02-25-2008, 05:22 AM
So how do you guys plan to handle the charred Beru and Owen figures? There are three listings for those two figures.

I just took my existing Owen and Beru figures and lit them on fire. I didn't handle them once they were charred though. That's an excellent way to get 1st degree burns! Be careful.

Anyway....

All the remaining characters from ANH that won the previous scene-by-scene poll are still in the Top 20 of figures to suggest from ANH:

Rebel (Flight) Technician
Bom Vimdim
Saurin
Tonnika Sisters
Wioslea
Reegesk

Additionally, I'd really like to see WED-15 made into a figure. He'd look great by some Jawas and a Sandcrawler.

Brainiac, Tzizvvt, and Red Leader (Garven Dreis) are all excellent choices, too.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-25-2008, 09:12 AM
So how do you guys plan to handle the charred Beru and Owen figures? There are three listings for those two figures.Even if I add all of those together, they don't rank in the top 60. I should probably take the highest vote for the individual ones (if someone voted for both), and just call it a vote for the pair.

El Chuxter
02-25-2008, 09:14 AM
Those would be pretty boring figures. They'd be better as pack-ins with a playset or something.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-25-2008, 06:27 PM
Those would be pretty boring figures. They'd be better as pack-ins with a playset or something.

Agreed. I think that is the only way they would be done, kind of like the ruined battle droids molded into the Geonosian Arena Playset.

JediTricks
02-25-2008, 07:43 PM
From the ANH list, I see only a few standouts I think would be interesting at retail (and I'm leaving out the Tonnikas because it's been made clear it's not happening):

Dr. Evazan
Uncle Owen
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Ponda Baba is one I'd hope would do well, but he's never failed to tank at retail so far.
Pello Scrambas is one I'd love to see, and it has a lot of meaning behind it, but to be honest, rebel troopers don't do all that well at retail, and old guys even less so.
Luke with removable stormtrooper belt would do well if done right, but tank if done with the usual lackluster attempts Hasbro normally gives.
Han Solo as Stormtrooper I think is a must.
Han with removable stormtrooper belt I think would do very well, even the last version of this which kinda sucked did well and it was horribly overpriced and preposed and weird.
Leia ANH with removable hood-up/hood-down pieces I am fairly confident would do alright, we haven't had an ANH Leia do poorly in a decade, even the VOTC didn't tank as badly as Lando.
Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper disguise probably wouldn't do well, for some reason there's not a lot of folks into this, but it'd be well worth the try.There's a lot of ideas on this list that you guys made, entries even very high up, which I think are out of touch with reality and if produced would die horrible, slow deaths on the pegs.

Tycho
02-25-2008, 09:29 PM
There's a lot of ideas on this list that you guys made, entries even very high up, which I think are out of touch with reality and if produced would die horrible, slow deaths on the pegs.

I really can't go for main character figures thoough. I'm nearly out of the market to buy stuff and just hold on for things to use to finish my dioramas. I understand that they have to market Darth Vader or Luke in his farmboy get-up, but Hasbro can almost never tempt me to buy that stuff.

In that sense, if they made Wioslea and then the line died, I could care less. I'm voting for MYSELF, not the health of the line.

If I were Hasbro, I'd look at voters like myself like this:

1) Not important overall, as someone like me makes the most minimal impact on the market.

2) A chance to sell one more interesting, obscure, collector figure here or there when there's room in a wave, because doing that represents maintaining an old customer, while most of the effort now should be put in chasing down new customers.

I am a stockholder actually. So I see it from both that perspective and as a drooling fanboy's who can recognize Bom Vimdim from a Rogues' Gallery (pun intended, haha).

I also remember something else about CARDING A HAN SOLO STORMTROOPER DISGUISE FIGURE. Yes, I remember something from 1996 and Hasbro interviews back then, around the time Fruit Loops cereal had very special boxes out for SW collectors. Hasbro said to preserve the collectibility of Han Solo in stormtrooper disguise, they would never offer that figure carded. They summarily did put him in a 3-pack (Death Star Escape - 1997) and in the Trash Compactor sets (2003 I think), and maybe offered some other ways. But that was a promise made 12 years ago. I'm not sure if they can reneg on it and not be called out any more. Or if a fan vote would absolve them of any responsibility in the matter if they offered Han on a card? Or if many other collectors are even around any more who remembered that statement by them. Many on the Hasbro team have changed. That was before Derryl DePriest and I think during the Andy Epenshade era if I'm not mistaken?

JediTricks
02-25-2008, 09:34 PM
Keep in mind Tycho, I was referring to the general market buyers, not you who has unusual collecting requirements.

BTW, that was 13 years ago.

Tycho
02-25-2008, 09:41 PM
What do you guys remember (if anything) about the Han Stormtrooper policy?

My collecting requirements are not exactly unusual. I think JediMasterSal and several others are pretty much on the same page as me, and then there'd be others on other fan sites. We're just not in the market to buy the same characters in the same outfits over and over again, because of some articulation trick or new packaging or coin gimmick.

I'm not a True-Collector of course, though I never claimed to be. I appreciate these things for my dioramas, but I have so much more to do with them (art supplies, construction, etc.) that I have to move on from scouring Wal-Mart and Target as the main focus of my hobby.

I would also think that "collectors" in the true sense, those that keep 'em carded, or who try to amass "definitive versions" of the characters loose, also tire of buying the same characters, too. Not all of you, but there are some who feel they have what they want already.

It's not the same for a newbie who just decided to get into the hobby and still needs ANH Leia for example. They might have fun tracking down the vintage, or appreciate just going to the store and finding the latest one on the rack at Toys R Us.

There's a lot of different types of customers out there.

Kidhuman
02-25-2008, 09:51 PM
I dont recall anything about the Han on card or not. If they wanted to preserve the collectibility of Han, they shouldnt have released him 3 times.

Mad Slanted Powers
02-25-2008, 10:37 PM
Of the top 25 ANH figures we have:

11 are Cantina/Mos Eisley aliens:

Wioslea
Bom Vimdin
Brainiac
Dice Ibegon
Saurin
Trinto Duaba
Tzizvvt
Mosep Binneed
Ponda Baba
Baniss Keeg
Reegesk

3 more Cantina Humans:

Dr. Evazan
Brea Tonnika
Senni Tonnika

3 droids:

WED-15-ST68
Red Leader's R5 Unit
R5-A2

1 main character:

Obi-Wan Kenobi

1 important secondary character:

Uncle Owen

4 Rebels:

Red Leader
Rebel Technician
Pello Scrambas
Commander Willard

2 Imperials:

Commander Praji
Imperial Officer (grey uniform)

They usually put out a couple Cantina aliens every year. Dr. Evazan has never been carded, and I think most collectors would get him if they did him right.

I think they could put the WED droid in with a Jawa. That is a recognizable droid from an iconic scene. If they made a multi-pack in the style of the ultimate battle packs, they could put in a couple jawas, a couple new droids, a couple vaporators, R2-D2, C-3PO, Luke and Owen.

They could put Red Leader, Willard, Rebel Tech in a Yavin wave along with a couple main characters. JT probably has a point about the Rebel Troopers though. The Capture of the Tantive IV battle packs have been quite plentiful around here even with Stormtroopers and Vader in the pack with them.

Someone like Praji or any of the other officers in black could simply be done by repainting the existing officers they've made black and putting a new head on them.

Tycho
02-26-2008, 12:39 AM
I dont recall anything about the Han on card or not. If they wanted to preserve the collectibility of Han, they shouldnt have released him 3 times.

How did they release him 3 times?

I don't think it was the exact same figure.

Fruit Loops has a pre-posed, bent arm.

Death Star Escape is kind of arms-flayed, pre-posed.

Trash Compactor is preposed and sort of dirtied up.

Am I missing something? I tend to ignore re-releases of characters I already have. I also wouldn't buy Han Stormtrooper Super-Articulated myself, as I just work with the pre-posed ones and I'm done. I set up my figures and don't readjust their poses, so I don't need SA on ones I've already determined how I want to display since 1996 or so.

Good comments MadSlantedPowers. There's nothing to add to them, so I'll just agree with them. Our poll results' suggestions turned out to be good ones and a decent breakdown, predictably skewed towards the cantina of course. There's a good mix of Rebels, Imperials, and droids, too.

Kidhuman
02-26-2008, 05:55 AM
Han Stormtrooper, no matter the pose, articulation or whatever has been released 3 times. We have many different Tatooine Lukes, but its all Tatooine Lukes.

JediTricks
02-26-2008, 05:02 PM
4 times, you're not counting the Comic Pack version(s).

I don't remember this policy being stated, but Hasbro's weaseled their way out of this sort of thing before. The Purchase of the Droids and Death Star Escape cinema scenes were both originally exclusives but eventually saw mass release.

Besides, by that argument, nobody even would want Han Trooper, who wants an old He-manned figure from 1995 that didn't even come with a friggin' blaster? We WANT a new version!

Tycho
02-26-2008, 05:19 PM
It's almost irrelevant. Han Stormtrooper came in at a tie for 34th place.

He probably won't qualify to be in any run-off for the Top 50 or maybe even the Top 100 demanded figures when the figures from all 7 lists compete (the movies and EU). It's possible though - if ANH is THAT strongly demanded over any of the rest. It has an equal chance. It's just unlikely even though ANH and ROTJ are probably going to do the best overall.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-02-2008, 06:13 PM
Here are the results of the poll. I've also saved the file at http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. This file was created in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice, but I saved it as an Excel file, so I'm not sure how the formatting will be preserved.

I've highlighted the Padmé figure that has been announced. Let me know of any others that shouldn't be on the list. Isn't there a blue pilot battle droid in an upcoming battle pack? Should I highlight that one as well? It is high enough on the list that it might make it into the Phase 2 voting if TPM figures do well.

There were 33 voters in this poll. Not quite as many as the 38 of ANH.

1. Ratts Tyerell.....390 points (21 votes)
2. Tey How.....378 points (23 votes)
3. Ben Quadinaros.....309 points (17 votes)
4. Daultay Dofine.....304 points (17 votes)
5. Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple.....282 points (14 votes)
6. Mawhonic.....241 points (16 votes)
7. Queen Amidala post senate black.....237 points (11 votes)
8. Kitster.....233 points (15 votes)
9. Wald.....216 points (14 votes)
10. R5-X2.....183 points (13 votes)
11. Rum Sleg.....180 points (14 votes)
12. Ann or Tan Gella.....174 points (14 votes)
13. Battle Droid (blue).....173 points (10 votes)
14. Aldar Beedo.....167 points (11 votes)
15. Nute Gunray sitting on the walking throne.....167 points (11 votes)
16. Clegg Holdfast.....162 points (10 votes)
17. Obi-Wan Kenobi – new SA resculpt.....160 points (8 votes)
18. PK worker droid.....152 points (11 votes)
19. G8-R3 (R5-A7).....143 points (11 votes)
20. Queen Amidala pre-senate grey.....143 points (8 votes)
21. Boles Roor.....141 points (10 votes)
22. Ark "Bumpy" Roose.....140 points (9 votes)
23. Ebe Endocott.....135 points (9 votes)
24. Greblieps.....132 points (8 votes)
25. Captain Panaka.....130 points (9 votes)
26. Kam Nale/Elan Mak.....126 points (9 votes)
27. Gardulla the Hutt.....124 points (9 votes)
28. Maoi Madakor.....124 points (9 votes)
29. Tikkes.....121 points (9 votes)
30. Jira.....120 points (12 votes)
31. Eirtaé - Naboo battle – Blonde Handmaiden .....111 points (7 votes)
32. Wan Sandage.....109 points (9 votes)
33. Neva Kee.....105 points (8 votes)
34. Antidar Williams.....97 points (6 votes)
35. Sei Teria.....95 points (9 votes)
36. Nute Gunray Hologram.....91 points (7 votes)
37. Holo Maul.....90 points (5 votes)
38. Royal Handmaiden – crimson.....89 points (6 votes)
39. Qui-Gon Jinn – funeral pyre.....87 points (5 votes)
40. Naboo Pilot in trenchcoat.....86 points (8 votes)
41. Arven Wendik.....86 points (7 votes)
42. Ellberger.....84 points (7 votes)
43. Weazel.....81 points (7 votes)
44. Black Naboo Security – Yellow/Brown outfit .....69 points (5 votes)
45. Qui-Gon Jinn (molded cloak, hood up) -.....68 points (4 votes)
46. Chokk.....65 points (4 votes)
47. Qui-Gon Jinn – lightsaber wound.....64 points (3 votes)
48. Horox Ryyder.....62 points (4 votes)
49. White Security Officer.....57 points (4 votes)
50. Keder the Black.....56 points (4 votes)
51. Edcel Bar Gane.....55 points (6 votes)
52. Diva Shaliqua.....54 points (7 votes)
53. Senator Palpatine Hologram.....54 points (3 votes)
54. Toonbuck Toora.....52 points (8 votes)
55. Lethan Twi'lek.....52 points (4 votes)
56. Greedo.....50 points (4 votes)
57. Bail Antilles.....50 points (3 votes)
58. White Naboo Royal Guard – Red Outfit.....48 points (3 votes)
59. Erdan.....45 points (5 votes)
60. Jar Jar Binks.....45 points (2 votes)
61. Aks Moe.....44 points (5 votes)
62. Aurra Sing (resculpt).....43 points (3 votes)
63. Tendau Bendon.....39 points (4 votes)
64. Queen Amidala black decoy softgoods.....39 points (3 votes)
65. Rayno Vaca.....38 points (4 votes)
66. Padmé Handmaiden.....37 points (2 votes)
67. Rya Kirsch.....36 points (4 votes)
68. Rodian Senator.....35 points (3 votes)
69. Pampy.....33 points (2 votes)
70. Royal Handmaiden – blue/purple.....32 points (2 votes)
71. Mot Not Rob.....31 points (4 votes)
72. Royal Handmaiden – gold.....31 points (3 votes)
73. Gungan Band Member.....27 points (3 votes)
74. Even Piell.....26 points (2 votes)
75. Eeth Koth.....25 points (1 vote)
76. Liana Merian.....25 points (1 vote)
77. Cy Yunga.....25 points (1 vote)
78. Lott Dod's Financial Officer.....24 points (2 votes)
79. Darth Maul SA & softgoods.....24 points (1 vote)
80. Jabba the Hutt.....24 points (1 vote)
81. R2-G2.....23 points (1 vote)
82. Qui-Gon Jinn – new SA resculpt.....23 points (1 vote)
83. Chancellor Valorum.....21 points (3 votes)
84. Holographic Sidious on mechnochair.....21 points (1 vote)
85. Queen Amidala red Naboo softgoods.....21 points (1 vote)
86. Diva Funquita.....20 points (3 votes)
87. Eopie.....20 points (1 vote)
88. Yellow Spacer.....20 points (1 vote)
89. Gungan Soldier.....20 points (1 vote)
90. Phylo Gandish.....19 points (1 vote)
91. Sabe softgoods.....19 points (1 vote)
92. Mik Regrap.....19 points (1 vote)
93. Bib Fortuna.....18 points (1 vote)
94. Padmé Tatooine.....18 points (1 vote)
95. Romeo Treblanc.....17 points (1 vote)
96. Depa Billaba.....17 points (1 vote)
97. Darth Sidious softgoods.....17 points (1 vote)
98. Porro Dolphe.....15 points (3 votes)
99. Naboo Neimoidian I.....15 points (1 vote)
100. Sebulba.....15 points (1 vote)
101. Senator Palpatine.....14 points (1 vote)
102. Naboo Neimoidian II.....14 points (1 vote)
103. Obi-Wan Kenobi – no braid.....14 points (1 vote)
104. Amee.....13 points (2 votes)
105. Naboo Neimoidian III.....13 points (1 vote)
106. Fode and Beed.....13 points (1 vote)
107. Watto's welding droid.....13 points (1 vote)
108. Anakin Skywalker – Podracer.....13 points (1 vote)
109. Naboo Neimoidian IV.....12 points (1 vote)
110. Plo Kloon softgoods.....12 points (1 vote)
111. Captain Maoi Madakor.....12 points (1 vote)
112. Ki Adi Mundi softgoods.....11 points (1 vote)
113. Yeb Yeb Adem'thorn.....10 points (3 votes)
114. Yoda softgoods.....10 points (1 vote)
115. Oppo Rancisis.....9 points (1 vote)
116. Queen Amidala Senate Resculpt.....7 points (2 votes)
117. Augara Jowil.....7 points (1 vote)
118. Yaddle.....7 points (1 vote)
119. Qui-Gon Jinn (Tatooine Poncho).....7 points (1 vote)
120. Niai Fieso.....6 points (2 votes)
121. C-3PO flag bearer.....6 points (2 votes)
122. Onaconda Farr.....6 points (1 vote)
123. R1 in Watto's Shop.....5 points (1 vote)
124. Nobot.....5 points (1 vote)
125. Gungan female.....4 points (2 votes)

Tycho
03-02-2008, 08:02 PM
I think this group's list is the least likely to go very far. The Expanded Universe will probably have characters that do better in Phase II.

Some at the top of this list are great though:

2. Tey How.....378 points (23 votes)
4. Daultay Dofine.....304 points (17 votes)
5. Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple.....282 points (14 votes)
7. Queen Amidala post senate black.....237 points (11 votes)

Other figure ideas that I like we'll never get to voting on this time around:

25. Captain Panaka.....130 points (9 votes) - I assume this meant softgoods?

32. Wan Sandage.....109 points (9 votes)

35. Sei Teria.....95 points (9 votes)

There's no point in even going down the list further, though there can be good figure suggestions found. They'll just never be more demanded than figures from the other sources.

I think you can leave the Blue Battle Droid on the list, as people want this single-carded. If you get it with a STAP, who is going to fly the STAP?

Other things like Gardulla the Hutt and the Eopie are beast assortments and don't really belong on this list - but they are too far down in rank for it to matter anyway. However, I think that is because most people, like myself, would think that you wouldn't accept a vote for the Eopie since it's not a 3 3/4" figure.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-02-2008, 08:55 PM
25. Captain Panaka.....130 points (9 votes) - I assume this meant softgoods?
At least a more neutral pose with better articulation. Soft goods in the skirt area might be helpful so as not to restrict movement.


Other things like Gardulla the Hutt and the Eopie are beast assortments and don't really belong on this list - but they are too far down in rank for it to matter anyway. However, I think that is because most people, like myself, would think that you wouldn't accept a vote for the Eopie since it's not a 3 3/4" figure.I didn't have the Eopie on the list, and at least in later polls I mentioned to not vote for beasts. I didn't bother removing the vote since there was just the one vote. I probably had forgotten that it was the list until I made the final tally.

Jabba was done as a deluxe figure and is an actual sentient species, so I can accept Hutts being voted for. I didn't bother to vote for Gardulla because or Jabba in this poll because I would rather see a really good ROTJ Jabba before I would want those.

Kidhuman
03-03-2008, 04:31 AM
Tycho, I think Kittster and Wald will do good in round 2 of voting also.

Tycho
03-03-2008, 05:38 AM
Tycho, I think Kittster and Wald will do good in round 2 of voting also.

True. They came close but didn't make the final results counted for my poll last time, but I remember their supporters fought for them.

sebillba
03-03-2008, 06:17 AM
I always thought they would make a great 2-pack. I wouldn't be too thrilled at having to buy Kitster on his own, but I'd get Wald in a heartbeat.

Tycho
03-03-2008, 07:38 AM
That's so Wizard!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-03-2008, 05:12 PM
While making my lists and seeing those of others, it struck me as odd that these were supposed to be polls for figures that have never been made before, meaning that these characters have never been made AT ALL, and yet many of the choices (even some of mine) were for upgrades of existing figures. Where are you supposed to draw the line? I think we should have separated the "new" figures from the upgrades, as that's a whole separate thing, to me.

Tycho
03-03-2008, 06:55 PM
Nah. In the ROTJ poll especially, I saw a lot of votes for upgrades. Write them in if you want them. If a lot of people do, they'll make the cut.

Last I heard in the Empire thread, Han Bespin was doing well.

We didn't put him on the suggestion thread, like Darth Vader, because we already have him. (Han Bespin - POTF2, MMMC, MH, POTJ, TAC). I wasn't personally interested in ever buying him again after the Torture Rack (not because of how lousy that figure is, but I just don't need to keep buying the same thing and want new characters).

So resculpts can gain traction in this poll if they have merit.

In the old scene-by-scene poll of 2004-2005, I did NOT list R5-D4, but you all wrote him in to ANH's list, and he won, AND he actually got produced! I think there are other examples, too.

But a resculpt (say of Luke Tatooine or Darth Vader) still takes its place in a case assortment, making less room for other figures. So you might as well see how it competes with the other figures. That's the only way to take it all into account.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-03-2008, 07:40 PM
I just think that they are two separate animals. I mean, I'd rather have an updated ROTJ Palpatine than half the stuff on my ROTJ list, but I didn't think that was what these particular polls were for. Ah well.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-03-2008, 09:05 PM
My original intent was to limit resculpts, especially since they tend to redo core characters quite often. With ESB, there were so few unmade figures, so resculpts were kind of necessary to fill out the choices a bit more. In subsequent polls, I listed ones that I felt were most in need of an update, and people suggested others.

So, I guess it is better if you voted for all new figures. Even if resculpts don't get enough votes to rank at the top, it still provides some insight into which figures could be redone and how they should be redone.

JediTricks
03-03-2008, 11:21 PM
Personally, I think this list is very out of touch as to what will be interesting to the broad base of consumers. I applaud Hasbro for holding back on Podracers out the wazoo this way, they do NOTHING in the film except look silly. It's sad to see ideas like higher-quality Obi-Wan and Panaka get lost in a sea of goofy nobody aliens.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-04-2008, 12:32 AM
Personally, I think this list is very out of touch as to what will be interesting to the broad base of consumers. I applaud Hasbro for holding back on Podracers out the wazoo this way, they do NOTHING in the film except look silly. It's sad to see ideas like higher-quality Obi-Wan and Panaka get lost in a sea of goofy nobody aliens.True, but there have been plenty of complaints about figures being redone when there are plenty of new ones to be made. Also, when it is a figure that people actually want to see redone, there will be something wrong with it for people to complain about.

Obi-Wan and Panaka both made the top 25 for the TPM poll. Here is how the rest of the top 25 (excluding the announced Padmé) breaks down:

9 Podracers (Ratts Tyerell, Ben Quadinaros, Mawhonic, Aldar Beedo, Clegg Holdfast, Boles Roor, Ark "Bumpy" Roose, Ebe Endocott, Kam Nale/Elan Mak)
3 Neimoidians (Tey How, Daultay Dofine, Nute Gunray on Walking Chair)
3 Droids (R5-X2, PK Worker Droid, G8-R3)
3 Resculpts (Obi-Wan, Panaka, Blue Battle Droid) - Nute could fit in this category as well.
2 Queen Amidalas (Return to Naboo, Post-Senate Black)
2 Anakin's Friends (Kitster, Wald)
1 Senator (Greblieps)
1 Mos Espa background character
1 Podrace "Assistant" (Ann or Tan Gella)

Tycho
03-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Personally, I think this list is very out of touch as to what will be interesting to the broad base of consumers. I applaud Hasbro for holding back on Podracers out the wazoo this way, they do NOTHING in the film except look silly. It's sad to see ideas like higher-quality Obi-Wan and Panaka get lost in a sea of goofy nobody aliens.


Don't you ever wonder if there could be a conspiracy at Hasbro to sell us the main characters over and over again, by deliberately making them less than stellar in their original release?

Take Sabe as the Black Travel Decoy Queen. She can't sit on the throne in the Royal Starship. They could super-articulate her and put her in softgoods and sell us another of what we already have.

Before the VOTC Obi-Wan Kenobi from ANH, which is not all that great (I never bought it though - just wasn't inspired to), you didn't have an Obi-Wan that could sit in Luke's landspeeder toy with his cloak on the way he looked in the movie during that scene.

Wouldn't you feel like a sucker if every year Hasbro improved it just a little and you bought it again and again? I do.

The other thing is that with the various aliens, podracers, what not, I feel like I'm getting an effort to sculpt unusual and different things than just a standard human character. It's sort of like appreciating art - but it's in the form of art that I appreciate because I'm into this hobby. Get it?

JediTricks
03-04-2008, 07:37 PM
True, but there have been plenty of complaints about figures being redone when there are plenty of new ones to be made. Also, when it is a figure that people actually want to see redone, there will be something wrong with it for people to complain about.Define "plenty" though. I've seen a handful of folks complain vocally and whip that discussion into a frenzy so it looks like a bigger amount of people than it really is, but lately most redos don't get a lot of complaints, only Obi-Wan swimming caught a lot of flak.

And yeah, people complain about every figure a little, but they still want upgrades from He-man figures and such.


Obi-Wan and Panaka both made the top 25 for the TPM poll. Here is how the rest of the top 25 (excluding the announced Padmé) breaks down:

9 Podracers (Ratts Tyerell, Ben Quadinaros, Mawhonic, Aldar Beedo, Clegg Holdfast, Boles Roor, Ark "Bumpy" Roose, Ebe Endocott, Kam Nale/Elan Mak)
3 Neimoidians (Tey How, Daultay Dofine, Nute Gunray on Walking Chair)
3 Droids (R5-X2, PK Worker Droid, G8-R3)
3 Resculpts (Obi-Wan, Panaka, Blue Battle Droid) - Nute could fit in this category as well.
2 Queen Amidalas (Return to Naboo, Post-Senate Black)
2 Anakin's Friends (Kitster, Wald)
1 Senator (Greblieps)
1 Mos Espa background character
1 Podrace "Assistant" (Ann or Tan Gella)My argument is this line is driven by a mix of new characters and core characters, but the more esoteric and unexciting the new character, the more it throws the line out of balance. In your list, you have a battle droid and Obi-Wan as the only true ACTION figures, the rest are inaction figures (sorry Kevin Smith) or barely-noticeable set decor or downright silly. There's no balance to this list, so collectors need to be patient and be willing to make compromises to maintain balance long enough to get all that stuff made. If you created 2 assortments making up those 25 figures (that's 1 figure too many, but we'll pretend not), you'd ruin the line with pegwarmers immediately because once the hardcore collectors got their fill, the casual collectors that actually drive the line's success would be left scratching their heads.


Don't you ever wonder if there could be a conspiracy at Hasbro to sell us the main characters over and over again, by deliberately making them less than stellar in their original release?I've certainly heard this argument before, but I don't subscribe to it. Hasbro's management is too inept to pull off that level of advanced planning, each year the line goes through issues that almost buy the farm, so how can they expect to sell a superior version 3 years later? Also, when you look at the technology and quality coming out of Rhode Island with these types of figures, they are generally consistent within a certain margin of quality plus or minus, it's just that collectors expect the moon with each new release. And technology is advancing, making something like Gree's universal-jointed wrists possible today where manufacturing and mold-making at this level weren't available for these prices 3 years ago.


Take Sabe as the Black Travel Decoy Queen. She can't sit on the throne in the Royal Starship. They could super-articulate her and put her in softgoods and sell us another of what we already have.You're complaining in another thread about a $70 figure not having cloth costuming half as detailed as what you'd want here. Yes, Sabe cannot sit, but for all you Amidala-wanters out there, she fits every other bill, she's boring and she has the proper look in face and outfit. There are no Padme figures that have an outfit this detailed and can move their legs at all, what you want is not really possible in any pleasing way, so you want the impossible, and since Yoda isn't here to use the Force to make the designers smarter and the materials more technologically capable, you'll not be getting that "perfect" figure. Sure, Hasbro could have included a second lower body permanently sitting, but that's not something they've EVER done before, it's not within their design philosophy.


Before the VOTC Obi-Wan Kenobi from ANH, which is not all that great (I never bought it though - just wasn't inspired to), you didn't have an Obi-Wan that could sit in Luke's landspeeder toy with his cloak on the way he looked in the movie during that scene.Like you said, we still don't have a very good ANH Obi-Wan, but that goes to my point, they haven't bothered in 4 years to get old Ben right, how can they make money on a product they're not making? The conspiracy demands they would have gotten another try by now.


Wouldn't you feel like a sucker if every year Hasbro improved it just a little and you bought it again and again? I do.No, I don't, not when it's a generational evolution. You're so worried about being made a sucker like this that you've let yourself stagnate with inferior stormtroopers and such. I don't buy a figure expecting to replace it, but if it's not "right" enough for me, I don't go crazy and buy several of it either because I know something might come up later that's superior. Luke Bespin is a good example, I have a few different versions of him and I buy the next one as it happens, but I'd probably get 3 times as many of the "right" one if it came around and not worry about superior versions in the future.


The other thing is that with the various aliens, podracers, what not, I feel like I'm getting an effort to sculpt unusual and different things than just a standard human character. It's sort of like appreciating art - but it's in the form of art that I appreciate because I'm into this hobby. Get it?I do get what you're saying, but without those "standard humans", the aliens have no context.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-04-2008, 08:40 PM
The thing to keep in mind is that this is a wish list. Sure, if you look at the results of this poll and consider how releasing those 25 TPM figures in one year would go over, then it isn't a good mix. However, by the time we combine it with the other movies, there will be a better mix. Even then, it's not like we expect this to be a single year's lineup. It has taken 4 years for Hasbro to do half of Tycho's previous list. Hasbro will continue to come to release resculpts and rehashes as well as some things we might never have considered. When we get an overall top 50 list completed, half of it will look nearly identical to Tycho's list. Also, it will likely have several necessary resculpts on it. So, if you take 5-10 figures from our list each year and mix that in with what Hasbro usually releases, you'll have the usual mix of figures we get every year.

JediTricks
03-04-2008, 11:54 PM
I know it's a wish list, but it's so heavily swinging for the fringe stuff that it's hard to take as anything more than that. For the majority of this list, even seeing 10 a year might be a bit too out there.

And of Tycho's previous list, Hasbro's mined the BEST candidates, leaving us with the dregs. ;)

Tycho
03-05-2008, 12:15 AM
Here's the thing, if a lot of people really want a specific new Padme Arena figure or Han Solo Bespin figure and can't think of figures they want more than that, they can write them in right now - and they are. Han Bespin is doing very well on our ESB list.

Hasbro will likely make him anyway. At least on my Ultimate Han in Carbonite figure suggestion for ROTJ, we gave Hasbro some direction we'd like to see them take with that figure.

But what about suggesting stuff that NO ONE has: the Saurin figure, some of those wacky podracers, Jaina and Jacen Solo?

If a lot of people (looks like that means about 38 or so amongst those who speak up around here, haha) say that they want these, there will be something to interest them with new installments in the collection.

I am one who has NO PLANS to buy a new Han Bespin figure. I don't see what there is for me to do except:

1) drop out of the hobby and buy nothing - that will help Hasbro's sales :rolleyes:

or

2) suggest what I would buy, even if it is the boring "Jedi Librarian figure" that you detest.

Here's something about Han - he will pegwarm if there are a lot of us who are sick of buying him. Whether we love the character or not has no relevance on whether we'd buy another figure of him. Want to sell Han? Make the Ultimate Carbonite Figure or make him EU as a sculpt of 54 year old Harrison Ford in all black space duds - and make him look 54 and not in his 30's!


Here's something about Jedi librarians: Jedi don't all serve until they are killed. If there wasn't a war, Bariss Ofee and Aayla Secura may never have been killed. Were they never going to age, either? Not likely. So how could Aayla Secura contribute when she was not as young as she was when we knew her prior to Order 66? By that same line of reasoning, Jocasta Nu might have been a major butt-kicker in her time. I've never read up on her backstory if she has one. But she's a Jedi responding to Obi-Wan, much her junior, in AOTC. What is she going to do when he can't find Kamino? Pull a lightsaber on him and act all hard and say, "What do you mean you cannot find it?! You've failed your Jedi training! Now die at my hand!" Alright, perhaps a Sith Librarian would do that, but the Sith are required to kill their masters when they weaken so there are only 2. So the Sith rely on their holocrons as librarians. If the Jedi are most likely to live, they need to find something else to do in their retirement.

As warriors, they may have saved entire planets that then donate in thanks to the Jedi Temple's 501 (c) (3) and "Habitat for Humanity and Non-Humanity." It would make sense that then elder Jedi retire in the temple, teach, and contribute as they can. There are probably "Jedi chefs" in the kitchen, Jedi gardeners, and so forth. I'm sure they offer teen crisis hotline help on the holonet as well as serve as counselors for Senators and diplomats in negotiations (where Dooku found a role for himself both in and out of the Republic).

So Jocasta Nu might not be so uncool. My guess is that maybe even 10 years ago (prior to AOTC) she was not a Jedi librarian, but some kind of warrior and diplomat.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-05-2008, 12:38 AM
Well, in the Jedi Apprentice series, Obi-Wan was bound for the agriculture corps if Qui-Gon hadn't taken him on as an apprentice. So, maybe Jocasta Nu is a bitter old librarian because no one took her as an apprentice.

El Chuxter
03-05-2008, 09:34 AM
I seem to recall reading somewhere that Jocasta Nu served on the Jedi Council for a time. And, if you look closely, she still carries her lightsaber, even in the library.

Barriss probably would've had a long, amazingly hot life as a healer, Tycho, but Aayla was a born warrior and would've been in the thick of smaller conflicts (in her luscious skimpy attire). A lot of Jedi died in the prequel era for reasons unrelated to the rise of Sidious and the Clone Wars. Aayla herself had been kidnapped and brainwashed when we first saw her.

Sinscia Fat'o
03-05-2008, 04:03 PM
Aayla lived to fast to become a jedi anything, may the force rest that sweet blue...:love:

Anyways, I think we need new updates of characters...and i think we need weird background characters, i think we need droids (even though i don't buy them that often...), I think we need females, i think we need everything for the line to survive.

For example:

I was in the toy aisle cleaning out all the AOTC clones from the wal-mart pegs...A kid and his mother are shopping and the kid is getting star wars figures. What does he want? Let's see there's a whole slew of Saga Legends there, and 08 Wave one (Minus panning droid) Does he grab Po Nudo? Hmm...Nope. Does he get Obi Wan Kenobi? Of course he get's Obi Wan...Does he get PAdme (Fire side/bondage gear)...Doesn't even know that lame figure is there. Does he get the Rebel Vanguard...goes right by it on the pegs, to grab who? Yoda! The kid begins hustling his mom for a third figure what does he ask for? Pax Bonnick...(The Greedo wannabe!)

My point here we're not the only one's who buy these aliens and second of screen time characters, the kid's get them to if they have a certain appeal.

On main characters...I like upgrades, but i like completing characters with everything from that movie...guns, tools, jackets, ETC, and i want the best figure to that likeness available. Do i buy every figure that comes out with improved SA...No. I passed on the 08 Obi wan and Darth Vader...one more point of articulation doesn't justify it to me, but 3-5 more points of SA goodness does. Just my opinion is saying both parties are right from a certain point of view.:thumbsup:

Mad Slanted Powers
03-05-2008, 09:31 PM
The TPM votes were a bit more spread out it seems. In the ANH poll, there were 9 people that had 15 or more of their votes make the top 25. In the TPM poll, only 4 people did:

17 jedi master sal
17 Tycho
16 Lord Malakite
16 El Chuxter

Here are the figures with the most top 5 votes:
9 Tey How
8 Ratts Tyerell
8 Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple
8 Queen Amidala post senate black
7 Ben Quadinaros
7 Daultay Dofine

Purple Queen Amidala had 6 first place votes, while SA Obi-Wan resculpt had 4 and G8-R3 (R5-A7) had 3.

Kidhuman
03-05-2008, 11:26 PM
I understand the want for the podracers, I want them, but I also want the pods. I know Hasbro will not make them, but its like when we got an AT-TE gunner and we were like "Where the hell is the AT-TE?"

El Chuxter
03-06-2008, 12:08 AM
I'd prefer the pods, but, if the only way we'll get them is single-carded, I'll take 'em.

I'm surprised Erdan and Weazel didn't get more love.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-09-2008, 06:55 PM
Okay, the ESB poll is now closed. I have two sets of results for this poll. The first is the standard list. However, I have an alternate list with the following adjustments:

Tigran Jamiro, Tamizander Rey, Cal Alder and Shawn Valdez were changed to Vintage Hoth Rebel, since they all have the same outfit. If someone voted for more than one of those, I only counted the top vote, eliminated the others and moved everything else up to fill the slots.

Likewise, I counted votes for Trey Callum and Jeroen Webb as votes for Hoth Rebel Soldier SA, since they are in outfits similar to the modern Hoth Rebels that many would like to see resculpted.

I forgot to mention in the ESB Poll thread that I also combined votes for Wyron Serper and Romas Novander in the alternate list as "Rebel Comm Tech" since they seemed to have the same outfit. I also didn't combine them all correctly for that list. I left a couple Wyron Serper votes on there. That has been corrected in the results below.

Since none of the individual characters placed higher than 32nd, they aren't being affected, but the combined support for a Rebel in the vintage style outfit will be shown in the alternate results. It also raises the standing a bit for the Hoth Rebel Soldier SA.

I've saved this file at http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. The file was created in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice. I saved it as an Excel file, so I don't know if the formatting will be preserved.

There were 43 voters in the poll. I've highlighted ones I'm aware of that have been announced. Here are the original results:

1. Torynn Farr.....665 points (34 votes)
2. Luke Medical Frigate.....610 points (33 votes)
3. Leia Medical Frigate.....544 points (32 votes)
4. Needa.....536 points (30 votes)
5. Edian – black Bespin Guard.....454 points (28 votes)
6. Han Solo Bespin.....397 points (22 votes)
7. Dak Ralter.....379 points (25 votes)
8. Wedge Snowspeeder.....377 points (24 votes)
9. Piett.....364 points (23 votes)
10. Leia Hoth.....349 points (21 votes)
11. Probe Droid.....323 points (18 votes)
12. Treva Horme.....304 points (18 votes)
13. Willrow Hood.....301 points (21 votes)
14. Wiorkettle.....290 points (20 votes)
15t. Ugnaughts.....286 points (21 votes)
15t. Hoth Rebel Soldier SA.....286 points (14 votes)
17. Sheckil.....281 points (20 votes)
18. E-3PO.....250 points (19 votes)
19. R5-M2.....243 points (16 votes)
20. Obi-Wan spirit with hood up (Hoth).....239 points (15 votes)
21. Lando Calrissian.....237 points (15 votes)
22. Wes Janson.....228 points (17 votes)
23. Utriss M'Toc.....223 points (13 votes)
24. Luke Dagobah.....217 points (14 votes)
25. Leia Bespin Escape.....214 points (15 votes)
26. Hobbie Snowspeeder Pilot.....197 points (15 votes)
27. Lennox.....192 points (15 votes)
28. Bespin Guard – mustache.....187 points (12 votes)
29. Zuckuss.....165 points (8 votes)
30. Imperial Navy Crewman.....158 points (13 votes)
31. Holo Imperial Officer.....153 points (10 votes)
32. Cal Alder.....140 points (10 votes)
33. Luke Snowspeeder.....134 points (8 votes)
34. Luke Orange jumpsuit.....133 points (10 votes)
35. Tamizander Rey.....116 points (10 votes)
36. Tigran Jamiro.....105 points (10 votes)
37. Merril.....102 points (11 votes)
38. Dengar.....100 points (5 votes)
39. Trey Callum.....81 points (8 votes)
40t. Leia Bespin Gown.....76 points (5 votes)
40t. Luke Hoth SA.....76 points (4 votes)
42. Shawn Valdez.....70 points (6 votes)
43. Luke Bespin.....68 points (4 votes)
44. C-3PO with removable limbs.....62 points (4 votes)
45. IG-88 Junk.....60 points (6 votes)
46. Cabbel.....56 points (6 votes)
47. Lee Phenets.....52 points (6 votes)
48. 2-1B.....50 points (3 votes)
49. Luke Pilot Dagobah.....48 points (2 votes)
50. Han Carbonite.....44 points (2 votes)
51. Vintage Hoth Rebel.....40 points (2 votes)
52. Tian Chyler.....39 points (3 votes)
53. Romas Navander.....35 points (3 votes)
54. Wyron Serper.....31 points (5 votes)
55. Bewil.....30 points (4 votes)
56. Rebel Commander Vintage.....28 points (2 votes)
57. Molded Jacket Luke Dagobah.....26 points (2 votes)
58t. R2-D2 with scanner up.....24 points (4 votes)
58t. Cive' Rashon.....24 points (1 vote)
60t. Cloud Car Pilot – black.....23 points (4 votes)
60t. Snowtrooper Officer.....23 points (1 vote)
62. Jeroen Webb.....22 points (2 votes)
63. Dragonsnake.....21 points (1 vote)
64. R2-D2 datalink electrocution.....18 points (2 votes)
65. Blonde Female Hoth Rebel.....15 points (1 vote)
66. Female Hoth Rebel.....14 points (1 vote)
67. R4 unit (Hoth).....12 points (1 vote)
68. Rebel Comm Tech.....10 points (1 vote)
69t. Han Solo open parka.....9 points (1 vote)
69t. Kesin Ommis.....9 points (1 vote)
69t. R3-A2.....9 points (1 vote)
72. Tibanna Gas Miner.....7 points (1 vote)
73. Tie Fighter Pilot removable helmet.....6 points (1 vote)
74. Suba.....5 points (1 vote)
75. Vandolay.....1 points (1 vote)


And here are the results from combining the Hoth Rebels:

1. Torynn Farr.....667 points (34 votes)
2. Luke Medical Frigate.....613 points (33 votes)
3. Leia Medical Frigate.....547 points (32 votes)
4. Needa.....539 points (30 votes)
5. Edian – black Bespin Guard.....457 points (28 votes)
6. Han Solo Bespin.....398 points (22 votes)
7. Dak Ralter.....386 points (25 votes)
8. Wedge Snowspeeder.....381 points (24 votes)
9. Hoth Rebel Soldier SA.....378 points (23 votes)
10. Piett.....370 points (23 votes)
11. Vintage Hoth Rebel.....357 points (25 votes)
12. Leia Hoth.....354 points (21 votes)
13. Probe Droid.....323 points (18 votes)
14t. Willrow Hood.....307 points (21 votes)
14t. Treva Horme.....307 points (18 votes)
16. Wiorkettle.....293 points (20 votes)
17. Ugnaughts.....289 points (21 votes)
18. Sheckil.....283 points (20 votes)
19. E-3PO.....252 points (19 votes)
20. R5-M2.....243 points (16 votes)
21. Obi-Wan spirit with hood up (Hoth).....242 points (15 votes)
22. Lando Calrissian.....239 points (15 votes)
23. Wes Janson.....233 points (17 votes)
24. Utriss M'Toc.....226 points (13 votes)
25. Leia Bespin Escape.....219 points (15 votes)
26. Luke Dagobah.....218 points (14 votes)
27. Hobbie Snowspeeder Pilot.....197 points (15 votes)
28. Lennox.....193 points (15 votes)
29. Bespin Guard – mustache.....189 points (12 votes)
30. Zuckuss.....165 points (8 votes)
31. Imperial Navy Crewman.....160 points (13 votes)
32. Holo Imperial Officer.....153 points (10 votes)
33. Luke Snowspeeder.....136 points (8 votes)
34. Luke Orange jumpsuit.....134 points (10 votes)
35. Merril.....106 points (11 votes)
36. Dengar.....100 points (5 votes)
37t. Leia Bespin Gown.....77 points (5 votes)
37t. Luke Hoth SA.....77 points (4 votes)
39. Luke Bespin.....68 points (4 votes)
40. C-3PO with removable limbs.....62 points (4 votes)
41. Rebel Comm Tech.....61 points (7 votes)
42. IG-88 Junk.....60 points (6 votes)
43. Cabbel.....58 points (6 votes)
44. Lee Phenets.....55 points (6 votes)
45. 2-1B.....50 points (3 votes)
46. Luke Pilot Dagobah.....48 points (2 votes)
47. Han Carbonite.....44 points (2 votes)
48. Tian Chyler.....40 points (3 votes)
49. Bewil.....32 points (4 votes)
50. Rebel Commander Vintage.....29 points (2 votes)
51t. R2-D2 with scanner up.....26 points (4 votes)
51t. Molded Jacket Luke Dagobah.....26 points (2 votes)
53t. Cloud Car Pilot – black.....24 points (4 votes)
53t. Cive' Rashon.....24 points (1 vote)
55. Snowtrooper Officer.....23 points (1 vote)
56. Dragonsnake.....21 points (1 vote)
57. R2-D2 datalink electrocution.....18 points (2 votes)
58. Blonde Female Hoth Rebel.....15 points (1 vote)
59. Female Hoth Rebel.....14 points (1 vote)
60. R4 unit (Hoth).....12 points (1 vote)
61t. Han Solo open parka.....9 points (1 vote)
61t. Kesin Ommis.....9 points (1 vote)
61t. R3-A2.....9 points (1 vote)
64. Tibanna Gas Miner.....7 points (1 vote)
65. Tie Fighter Pilot removable helmet.....6 points (1 vote)
66. Suba.....5 points (1 vote)
67. Vandolay.....2 points (1 vote)

Tycho
03-09-2008, 07:02 PM
I'm not in the market for many of our winners here, but Luke Medical Frigate will make an excellent figure with a very cool new detail to him, finally offering something different for Luke!

Of course I'll buy Leia. Torynn Farr would be welcome as well.

The Black Bespin Guard will see several purchases, and Needa I might get just to have another random Imperial Officer in my Navy.

I would have liked to see Treva Horme, Wiorkettle, and some new Ugnaughts, as well as Utriss M'Toc do a little better, but they are up there, just barely out of the Top 10. Cloud City still needs more love and Tian Chyler, as does the Vintage Hoth Rebel Soldier need a modern sculpt.

Overall, the results could have been more exciting, but this is about what I expected. The Luke Medical Frigate is a really strong figure in my opinion, though.

Kidhuman
03-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Luke Med. Frig has been high on alot of lists Tyco. I know he made mine and pretty sure he is on yours also. I would love him and a Black Bespin Guard and Torryn Farr.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-09-2008, 07:34 PM
So, with 4 polls down, the first round of Phase 2 is beginning to shape up. So, now is probably a good time to give some explanation to how that is going to work for those who haven't been following the discussion. It will also be a chance to start thinking ahead to who you will want to vote for.

With Phase 2, I will be taking the top 5 from each of the polls. With six movie polls and an EU poll, that will mean 35 choices for you to vote for. You will then select your top 5 from those. The plan is to keep the voting open for a week, and then I will tally the results. The top 5 will make our list, while the rest go back into the pool to be voted on in the next round. The top 5 that still remain from each list will then be voted in the same manner.

At this point, 20 of the 35 figures that will be voted on in the first round of Phase 2 have been determined:


TPM
Ratts Tyerell
Tey How
Ben Quadinaros
Daultay Dofine
Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple

ANH
Dr. Evazan
Brea Tonnika
Wioslea
Senni Tonnika
Bom Vimdin

ESB
Torynn Farr
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Captain Needa
Edian – black Bespin Guard

EU
Guri
Jaina Solo
Jacen Solo
Joruus C'baoth
Gilad Pellaeon


The AOTC results will be complete next Sunday, followed by ROTJ on March 23 and ROTS on March 30. I then intend to start Phase 2 on Wednesday, April 2. I'll start a new thread for that, and I should probably have a new thread for each round of voting after that so people don't come in and vote for figures that already made the list.

JediTricks
03-09-2008, 08:45 PM
Not a bad ESB list, I guess that's because the film has less distractions (aka aliens) than the others and has been neglected.

Tycho
03-09-2008, 09:52 PM
Star Wars IS Star Wars and not GI Joe or even Star Trek because it has such a wide variety of oddly shaped aliens and droids.

That is why I embrace it.

sebillba
03-10-2008, 02:33 AM
Star Wars IS Star Wars and not GI Joe or even Star Trek because it has such a wide variety of oddly shaped aliens and droids.

That is why I embrace it.

I so agree. For me, it's the aliens that really set SW apart from anything else, and am always excited to get new alien figures. As much as I love my Han, Luke and Leia figures, if I thought that the only figures left worth making were background humans, I would very quickly lose interest in the hobby.

I did think Luke med frig would win this round, and I would've been pleased to see it, as it's the most obvious outfit for Luke that has never been made. I was surprised to see Torynn Farr come out on top - whilst there's obviously a lot of love for her, I've never really given her much thought, and wouldn't find her to be a particularly interesting figure.

I actually thought these results showed ESB has been pretty well covered figure wise, and there's nothing I really "need". My own top choice was from a deleted scene, as there was nothing new I really wanted from the film, even thought it's my favourite of all the movies.

Tycho
03-10-2008, 04:16 AM
At this point, 20 of the 35 figures that will be voted on in the first round of Phase 2 have been determined:


TPM
Ratts Tyerell
Tey How
Ben Quadinaros
Daultay Dofine
Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple

ANH
Dr. Evazan
Brea Tonnika
Wioslea
Senni Tonnika
Bom Vimdin

ESB
Torynn Farr
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Captain Needa
Edian – black Bespin Guard

EU
Guri
Jaina Solo
Jacen Solo
Joruus C'baoth
Gilad Pellaeon

If I only had these to choose my Top 5 from:

Queen Purple Dress would likely be my No.1 choice.


The AOTC results will be complete next Sunday, followed by ROTJ on March 23 and ROTS on March 30.

I think AOTC will supplant some of my final choices above such that all 3 of the Lars and Queen Jamilla will rocket to the top of my list (but the purple robes Amidala will say there as well).


I then intend to start Phase 2 on Wednesday, April 2. I'll start a new thread for that, and I should probably have a new thread for each round of voting after that so people don't come in and vote for figures that already made the list.

Good idea.

JediTricks
03-10-2008, 11:06 PM
Star Wars IS Star Wars and not GI Joe or even Star Trek because it has such a wide variety of oddly shaped aliens and droids.

That is why I embrace it.Hey, GI Joe had droids, B.A.T. Droids were awesome!

I guarantee you if this was just "weird creatures and robots" with no main characters to give these figures context, the line would have folded in 1979.

Tycho
03-11-2008, 02:23 AM
I guarantee you if this was just "weird creatures and robots" with no main characters to give these figures context, the line would have folded in 1979.

Sure. I DO agree. However, YOU seem to always and only vote for main characters. Since they have already been made for better or worse, many of us voting in these polls are showing preference to characters (or background stand-ins, as you'd label them) that have never been made. The "art" that goes into them, keeps it interesting for us.

And while I understand the place where resculpts and re-releases fit in the line, I am not in the market for them myself. If they are what it takes so there IS a line, then fine, I'm grateful for the 113th carded Darth Vader, because his sale in a case will allow me the opportunity to have that case with Bane Malar who is MY preference to purchase.

JediTricks
03-11-2008, 02:56 PM
Sure. I DO agree. However, YOU seem to always and only vote for main characters. What's that, Tycho talking out his ear again? Who would have guessed? :D You don't know what you're talking about, "only main characters":
ANH:
4. Dr Evazan
5. Lt. Pellos Scrambas
9. Imperial Officer Gray uniform
11. Imperial Officer officer's tunic
12. Spacetrooper
14. Heater

TPM:
5. Pilot Battle Droid
6. Commander Tey How
7. Naboo Pilot in Trenchcoat

ESB:
7. SA Hoth Rebel Soldier
13. Wedge Antilles Snowspeeder outfit
16. new Ugnaught
17. Probe Droid

AOTC:
6. SA Battle Droid - Commander (Geonosis red color)
7. Cliegg Lars - Shmi Skywalker's husband
8. Beru Whitesun - Owen's girlfriend
9. Owen Lars - Anakin's young step-brother
10. Sio Bibble - 10 years older -

ROTJ:
6. Gamorrean Guard
8. Nien Nunb
9. Weequay
11. Ree Yees
12. Sy Snootles non-SE version
15. 2nd Weequay
16. Oola
17. Wooof

ROTS:
3. FX-6
4. IG-100 Magna Droid
7. Bail Organa airspeeder outfit



Since they have already been made for better or worse, many of us voting in these polls are showing preference to characters (or background stand-ins, as you'd label them) that have never been made. The "art" that goes into them, keeps it interesting for us.Well, without Luke, Han and those guys, there's no line to keep going, it'd tank very quickly. Not everybody is content to stick old POTF2 crap up on a shelf and consider it good enough the way you do.


And while I understand the place where resculpts and re-releases fit in the line, I am not in the market for them myself. If they are what it takes so there IS a line, then fine, I'm grateful for the 113th carded Darth Vader, because his sale in a case will allow me the opportunity to have that case with Bane Malar who is MY preference to purchase.Your type of collecting is pretty much singular, you're only out for your diorama-building, you have no interest in anything other than how you perceive them. But without balance, the line comes crashing down.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-13-2008, 01:11 AM
So, sounds like Exar Kun, who was #8 in our EU poll, can come off the list. He wouldn't have been up for voting in the first round of Phase 2, but likely would have made the final list.

Tycho
03-13-2008, 02:45 AM
I think Exar was No. 7.

But anyway, there does stand the chance he could make it into the Phase II competition. It's really up to MSP, however I think he should stay in circulation if he makes it that far (to Phase II) because we haven't seen him in plastic and we need to let Hasbro know we still want him!

To get Exar up for a vote,

At least 2 from:

Guri
Jaina
Jacen
C'Boath
Palleon
Nom Anor

must make it onto the Master Top 50 list before Exar does. Nom Anor doesn't even compete until one of those listed before him makes it. Then Exar gets a chance. But Exar didn't beat those listed above the first time around either.

So it might not be an issue if he doesn't make Phase II. However, to MadSlantedPowers' argument's credit, it really does sound like Hasbro has prepped a prototype and casted him already.

I wonder who he'll be packaged with? A repaint of Mandalore from the Evolutions set? (easiest route to take, least cost to Hasbro)

And Ulic and Nomi are the other most obvious choices. There could be 2 Ulic figures though: Jedi and Sith. That'd be sweet!

Exar's Jedi Master Vodo might also qualify though I don't believe he's ranked on any EU want list (but would make an interesting figure).

Mad Slanted Powers
03-13-2008, 06:32 PM
He was #7 after we take Talon Karrde off the list. My inclination is to leave him out of Phase 2. We can still note him on our EU list that we turn in. The way I would do it is to turn in the EU Top 50 that haven't been announced, but insert the announced figures into their original slots, unnumbered. That way they see the actual results of the poll, but it doesn't displace other figures and waste a spot.

JediTricks
03-13-2008, 10:20 PM
If they're saying they're gonna make him, they already know we want him. If this or any other announced figure goes up on the list, I think it'll undermine the integrity of the list, it'll look outdated and foolish. Wasn't it you Tycho who wanted to wait until after Toy Fair, after SDCC even, to start these polls so we wouldn't repost what's already coming out? We don't have to see it in plastic to know Hasbro's working on it, when they say it like this, that means they're far enough along in the design process that it's gonna happen.

Tycho
03-14-2008, 01:52 AM
He was #7 after we take Talon Karrde off the list. My inclination is to leave him out of Phase 2. We can still note him on our EU list that we turn in. The way I would do it is to turn in the EU Top 50 that haven't been announced, but insert the announced figures into their original slots, unnumbered. That way they see the actual results of the poll, but it doesn't displace other figures and waste a spot.

Good idea!

Exar Kun should look like a young Steven Segal with a ponytail and blue double-bladed lightsaber!

I'm actually all for 2 (two) Ulic figures (Jedi and Sith Lord)! You know he has to be in at least one of the 2 alluded to TOTJ comic packs, and Nomi Sundrider has to be included as well.

Oh, and Nomi should kind of look like GI Joe's Agent Scarlett with a green lightsaber.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-16-2008, 07:39 PM
Here are the results for the Attack of the Clones poll. I've saved it to http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. The file was created in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice, but I saved it as an Excel file.

There were only 32 voters in this poll, one less than the TPM poll. This is the fewest of all the polls except the still ongoing ROTS poll.

The Lars family was the big winner here. Even though this poll had fewer voters, they have some of the highest point totals of all the polls. They had a huge margin over Jocasta Nu, who in turn was comfortably ahead of Bariss Offee.


1. Cliegg Lars.....571 points (27 votes)
2. Beru Whitesun.....565 points (28 votes)
3. Owen Lars.....564 points (28 votes)
4. Jocasta Nu.....338 points (20 votes)
5. Bariss Offee.....281 points (16 votes)
6. Queen Jamillia.....277 points (19 votes)
7. Padmé Yellow Picnic Dress.....273 points (15 votes)
8. Padmé Palpatine's Office.....242 points (13 votes)
9. Dormé.....202 points (15 votes)
10. Hermione Bagwa.....201 points (16 votes)
11. Padmé Refugee.....189 points (12 votes)
12. Padmé Backless Dress.....179 points (11 votes)
13. Tarados Gon.....161 points (10 votes)
14. Cordé.....153 points (11 votes)
15. Captain Typho.....149 points (11 votes)
16t. RIC-920.....142 points (11 votes)
16t. Toonbuck Toora.....142 points (11 votes)
18t. Tikkes.....136 points (9 votes)
18t. Obi-Wan Jedi Robes.....136 points (8 votes)
20. Nyrat Agira.....133 points (10 votes)
21. Naboo Holy Man.....128 points (9 votes)
22. Battle Droid Commander Red SA.....125 points (6 votes)
23. Rogwa Wodrata.....120 points (10 votes)
24t. FA-4.....118 points (11 votes)
24t. Padmé packing to leave.....118 points (8 votes)
26. Padmé Nightgown.....114 points (8 votes)
27. COO-2180.....106 points (8 votes)
28t. Younglings.....98 points (7 votes)
28t. Padmé Lars Garage Dress.....98 points (6 votes)
30. Anakin Jedi Robes.....88 points (6 votes)
31. Denaria Kee.....83 points (5 votes)
32. Padmé Senate deleted.....77 points (5 votes)
33. Jar Jar Binks.....76 points (9 votes)
34. Sio Bibble.....74 points (7 votes)
35. Dar Wac hologram.....71 points (5 votes)
36. Shmi Skywalker.....70 points (6 votes)
37. Sephjet Josall.....69 points (5 votes)
38t. Gilramos Libkath.....63 points (5 votes)
38t. Jobal Thule Naberrie.....63 points (5 votes)
40t. Sola Naberrie.....62 points (5 votes)
40t. Tundra Dowmeia.....62 points (5 votes)
42t. Ruwee Naberrie.....61 points (5 votes)
42t. Battle Droid Pilot SA.....61 points (3 votes)
44. Que-Mars Redath-Gom.....60 points (3 votes)
45. Padmé Parents House.....53 points (3 votes)
46t. Geonosian Picador & Orray.....49 points (3 votes)
46t. Magaloof.....49 points (3 votes)
48. Onaconda Farr.....48 points (5 votes)
49. Supi.....47 points (5 votes)
50. Nicanas Tassu.....46 points (3 votes)
51. Sel Maa.....45 points (4 votes)
52t. Kalyn Farnmir .....44 points (5 votes)
52t. Obi-Wan wet hood up.....44 points (4 votes)
52t. Pooja and Ryoo Naberrie .....44 points (3 votes)
55t. Pampy.....41 points (3 votes)
55t. Anakin Refugee.....41 points (2 votes)
57. Coleman Trebor.....39 points (2 votes)
58t. Geonosian Warrior SA.....38 points (3 votes)
58t. C-3PO.....38 points (2 votes)
60. Bogg Tyrell.....35 points (3 votes)
61. Transformable Droideka.....34 points (2 votes)
62t. Sarrissa Jeng.....33 points (4 votes)
62t. Obi-Wan wounded.....33 points (2 votes)
64. Slyther Bushforb.....31 points (3 votes)
65. Jynee Celwick.....29 points (2 votes)
66t. Zo Howler.....28 points (4 votes)
66t. Lunae Minx.....28 points (4 votes)
68t. Rosha Vess.....26 points (3 votes)
68t. Seib Nod.....26 points (2 votes)
68t. Immi Danoo.....26 points (2 votes)
71t. Bufon Taire.....25 points (5 votes)
71t. Daro Willits.....25 points (3 votes)
71t. Honka.....25 points (2 votes)
71t. Padmé Pilot.....25 points (1 vote)
71t. Yee Moh.....25 points (1 vote)
76t. Roth-Del Masona.....24 points (4 votes)
76t. Tas Kee.....24 points (2 votes)
76t. Fi-Ek Sirch.....24 points (1 vote)
79t. Seboca.....23 points (3 votes)
79t. Count Dooku.....23 points (1 vote)
79t. Stass Allie.....23 points (1 vote)
82t. Joclad Danva.....22 points (2 votes)
82t. Ren-Quarr.....22 points (2 votes)
82t. Ame Llom.....22 points (1 vote)
82t. blonde in red dress.....22 points (1 vote)
82t. Hayde Gofai.....22 points (1 vote)
82t. Mace Windu.....22 points (1 vote)
88. Shu Mai's aide.....21 points (1 vote)
89t. Sidewa.....20 points (2 votes)
89t. Ror Ithh.....20 points (2 votes)
89t. Bultar Swan (Jedi Robes).....20 points (1 vote)
92t. Neimoidian Ground Crewman I.....19 points (1 vote)
92t. Clone Pilot SA.....19 points (1 vote)
92t. Taun We.....19 points (1 vote)
95t. Neimoidian Ground Crewman II.....18 points (1 vote)
95t. Nardi Shodu.....18 points (1 vote)
95t. Lama Su.....18 points (1 vote)
98t. Lexi Dio.....17 points (2 votes)
98t. Tyyx.....17 points (1 vote)
98t. Kell Borean.....17 points (1 vote)
101t. Whilst Molan.....15 points (1 vote)
101t. Rednax.....15 points (1 vote)
103t. Geonosian Drone.....14 points (1 vote)
103t. Lowle Ch'red.....14 points (1 vote)
105t. Gondrin Upal.....13 points (1 vote)
105t. Di Mantid.....13 points (1 vote)
107t. Whimper Save.....11 points (2 votes)
107t. Coruscant Gossam.....11 points (1 vote)
109t. Anakin Naboo morning.....10 points (1 vote)
109t. Nic Whoma.....10 points (1 vote)
111. Depa Billaba.....8 points (1 vote)
112t. Onyeth Canavar.....7 points (1 vote)
112t. Holo Obi-Wan wet.....7 points (1 vote)
112t. Sar Labooda.....7 points (1 vote)
112t. Even Piell.....7 points (1 vote)
116t. Triffian.....6 points (1 vote)
116t. Reina March.....6 points (1 vote)
118. Ronet Coorr.....5 points (1 vote)

El Chuxter
03-16-2008, 08:38 PM
I have to say I'm a bit surprised Barriss scored as highly as she did, higher than Dorme, Corde, Jamilla, or even any Padmes!

I mean, I wouldn't mind scoring with her :lipsrsealed::beard:, but I didn't think everyone agreed with me. :)

Tycho
03-16-2008, 09:04 PM
The AOTC poll winners look good. When the Phase II voting starts, a large majority of my in-demand figure votes will come into play starting from this list.

I think it's possible that many confused Rogwa Wodrata for Tonbuck Toora, and voted for the latter thinking she was in the Genosian Separatists' boardroom meeting, instead of Wodrata. I made that same mistake myself for several years after AOTC.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-16-2008, 09:23 PM
With only two polls left to be completed we now have 25 of the 35 figures set for Round 1 of Phase 2. I think I am with Tycho in that AOTC will probably get votes from me in that round. I don't forsee any of the leaders of the final two polls making my top 5.

Here are the qualifiers so far. No voting yet. That will begin on April 2 in a separate thread after the final two polls have completed.

TPM
Ratts Tyerell
Tey How
Ben Quadinaros
Daultay Dofine
Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple

AOTC
Cliegg Lars
Beru Whitesun
Owen Lars
Jocasta Nu
Bariss Offee

ANH
Dr. Evazan
Brea Tonnika
Wioslea
Senni Tonnika
Bom Vimdin

ESB
Torynn Farr
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Captain Needa
Edian – black Bespin Guard

EU
Guri
Jaina Solo
Jacen Solo
Joruus C'baoth
Gilad Pellaeon

Tycho
03-17-2008, 12:44 AM
There will be something someone will want to comment on in this (below):

Just so people don't get confused, the above will NOT be the ONLY figures from each movie that you can vote for, but they will each be the FIRST group of figures from a movie that you will be able to vote for.

Once enough people vote for any particular figure from 1-5 on the ESB list for example, the winner or winners come out of that group and RANK, and then choices 6, or 7 and so on (from that group) become elligible to be voted on.

Thus it's possible for the first 5 on our final demand list to be all from the same movie, and then the next 5 from that movie would have their chance at making the Top 10 of the final list.

(I'm just anticipating that someone who doesn't understand how it is going to work, is going to scream "Why is the EU competing? I don't think they should be put up against movie figures." - and so on. Well, 'what you think' will be registered when you vote, and the results will depend upon 'what everyone thinks.' So it's perfectly fair. This is the only logical way to run this poll and MSP has explained it numerous times himself in several different threads now. But congrats to him for doing such an excellent job!)

I can't wait to see the stats breakdown on AOTC - which forums members had the most of their choices win, etc. With the Lars, I bet it was a very high percentage since they are quite near the top of the most-demanded figures.

I'm concerned about the Tonnikas "wasting" ANH votes because it still seems that Hasbro can't make or even discuss them because of Angela Staines' legal suit. (The late Christine Hewitt was fine with her likeness being used.)

I wouldn't know if the estates of these ladies will lay claim to their likenesses beyond the women's deaths either though. Presumably, there was no such problem with Hewitt - some of us met her at Celebration 3. But either of the women could (and probably DO) have children. And everybody wants money - so production of the figures might open up "Uncle George" to a lawsuit from the Staines' estate even if she no longer lives to sue. Thus Hasbro's answer may have to be "NEVER" in so far as the Tonnika Sisters are concerned.

With the ladies blocking the way on ANH voting, Wioslea, Evezan, and Bom Vimdim need to all land on the final list in order to free up the next 3 ANH figures to be voted on. That will easily happen though, IMO. Bom Vimdim might even be found to be in official production and come off our list that way. He's rumored. However, I'm still concerned that Brea and Senni are "wasted votes."

But Brainiac, Dice Ebegon, an Uncle Owen resculpt, WED-15, and the highly useful Saurin figure (Hrchek Kal Fas or a different one) are waiting 'downlist' for their chance to get in on the final score once the top contenders from ANH get out of the way.

I've noticed that most of the winners, are what JediTricks calls "non-action figures," and are a lot of diorama fillers (which is fine for me as I am a very thoroughly detail-oriented diorama builder). But AOTC's list is all ladies except for Owen and Cliegg (though Bariss is an 'action figure'). The Expanded Universe actually has the most "warriors" for us to vote on (figures with lightsabers or blasters, requiring better articulation). That on its own gives the EU some merit, as those 'action figures' might sell better than the 'non-action figures' which might pegwarm beyond initial sales to guys like myself who need every character like Wioslea - who might not be 'an action figure' but in the likes of Ephant Mon or Hermie Odle, would be an awesome, large sculpt.

One thing that surprised me about the AOTC results was that Anakin and Obi-Wan didn't do better. AOTC is the one film where the main hero characters are really lacking good figures. Obi-Wan with his AOTC mullet hairstyle has none (that look like Ewan McGreggor, that wear his Jedi robe, etc.) Anakin's EVOLUTIONS figure from AOTC is darn near perfect, but it does not have a Jedi robe (plastic or softgoods) in his color and style. You'd think he'd be simple to offer since all Hasbro has to do is card the Evolutions figure. :rolleyes: but they always put that in multi-packs with other figures like Jango or Darth Vader which most people don't need any longer.

But if you think about it, Han, Luke, and Leia have definitive versions of their characters in almost every outfit they wore in the OT (the modern re-do of vintage-carded figures providing the most). The ROTS figures were pretty good as a lot - especially that Red Leader Obi-Wan in its original release. The E3 Anakin Evolutions was also a great figure of him. But AOTC's heroes get a lot less love.

However, since Hasbro does need to keep the heroes in circulation as every background character from Club Outlander isn't going to sell to nOObs, I don't think we necessarily had to vote on it to get Hasbro to put them in production. It will probably happen anyway. However, I do think they should know we want the AOTC Anakin EVOLUTIONS single-carded already. That would solve that problem and not cost them any more retooling another figure of him when they did make 5-6 different sculpts of him from that appearance as it is, already.

Battle Droid
03-17-2008, 09:19 AM
I think it's possible that many confused Rogwa Wodrata for Tonbuck Toora, and voted for the latter thinking she was in the Genosian Separatists' boardroom meeting, instead of Wodrata. I made that same mistake myself for several years after AOTC.

Yeah, and I don't think Toora is even in the movie anymore. (Unless that's her with Palps at the end, but I read somewhere that it isn't.)

Mad Slanted Powers
03-17-2008, 06:20 PM
Yeah, and I don't think Toora is even in the movie anymore. (Unless that's her with Palps at the end, but I read somewhere that it isn't.)I couldn't find Toonbuck in the film either, but I kept looking at the Senate and Separatist scenes. I think Tycho pointed out to me that she was in the scene at the end.

Droid
03-17-2008, 07:45 PM
I think it shows there aren't very many marketable figures left for Attack of the Clones when someone as into Star Wars as I am doesn't even know who Hermione Bagwa and some of the other higher ranking characters are!

And I still say that Round 2 should just be submitting another list of 25 figures based on the Top 25 figures from each film. In other words, "Now pick your Top 25 out of this list of 150."

Tycho
03-18-2008, 02:17 AM
I think it shows there aren't very many marketable figures left for Attack of the Clones when someone as into Star Wars as I am doesn't even know who Hermione Bagwa and some of the other higher ranking characters are!

The blonde, human girl waitress in Dexter's Diner with the blue skirt and garter on her leg. I admit she's pretty useless except for the fact that I'd buy ONE figure of her to accurately fill up a diorama of that scene.

No, I wouldn't actively campaign for her to be made in light of other good choices like Owen and Beru still being out there - or even Nyrat Agira who the camera focuses on for even less screen time (but is sexier) - but I'd buy her if they made her and glad I could check one more person off my "needs list" for my dioramas.

The alternative is to quit buying Star Wars figures if Hasbro only releases characters I already have (in some version or another).

An exception from AOTC is to be noted though - we still need several good versions of Anakin and Obi-Wan from this movie being available on single-cards so we can buy as many as we need. OBI-WAN also goes into Dexter's Diner, with bending knees so he can sit, and a softgoods Jedi robe being part of his costume. I'd actually prefer a hard-plastic Jedi robe initially, but they could take TPM Naboo Obi-Wan figure and sculpt a new accurate head for him and be done with it already. And the Evolutions AOTC Anakin - I don't know how many times I have to say it....



And I still say that Round 2 should just be submitting another list of 25 figures based on the Top 25 figures from each film. In other words, "Now pick your Top 25 out of this list of 150."

Why? Brackett tournaments are more fun. Getting a top 50 will require only 10 votes from everybody (these polls have amounted to 7). And why should a figure that didn't make it to the top of a list before (Padme packing for Naboo for example) be able to be at the top of someone else's list when the group said "no - these other 5, like Owen, Beru, Cliegg, Bariss, and Jocasta - are at the top of the list you can choose from for AOTC. "Padme packing for Naboo" already had her chance to outrank Owen, and she didn't.

The new poll is asking, "out of the top vote-getters, which ones do you most want?"

If everyone wants OT characters more - which is always the way I suspect people want the final list skewed if it is going to be skewed at all - it has a chance of happening - only democratically. And this way all the individual OT (and otherwise) movie figures have been ranked in their respective categories, too.

MSP should really explain this as he designed the system, but we (and this includes Droid) worked it out in the "new scene-by-scene figures never made poll for 2008? thread" before this process was ever started. Glad that there's "still something to say about it." SAY all you want. It's already been decided. I just feel bad about not everyone understanding why this method is fair and works out so honestly.

JediTricks
03-18-2008, 03:59 PM
That is one painful set of potential figures for someone like me. Even the ones I recognize, which isn't all of them, only half of them are ones I'd actually buy. Sorry Pellaeon, but we've had enough Imp Officers lately, they're all the same and they're all boring. And Wioslea is the worst looking thing in the entire film. An old lady action figure? Really? I mean, sure old man figures always tank in this line, and female figures nearly always tank even harder, but she's also a librarian so of course she'll be popular. :rolleyes:

Mad Slanted Powers
03-18-2008, 07:37 PM
MSP should really explain this as he designed the system, but we (and this includes Droid) worked it out in the "new scene-by-scene figures never made poll for 2008? thread" before this process was ever started. Glad that there's "still something to say about it." SAY all you want. It's already been decided. I just feel bad about not everyone understanding why this method is fair and works out so honestly.Basically it kind of evolved from your idea. You wanted to have 26 groups that would get ranked. Then the winners of each group would compete and we would rank them. Then it got too confusing for everyone to follow and there were too many polls for people. I kind of liked the idea, but agreed with others on the number of polls and that it might be a bit hard to follow. So, I set about trying to simplify it while still keeping some elements of it. I considered something like we have now but with a few more groups. Eventually we decided that it would be best to just have one poll for movie

Once we got that part figured out, the problem was how to combine the figures into one final list. Droid's suggestion might be the simplest way to go about it, but as Tycho mentioned, there's not as much fun in just submitting one big list and awaiting the results. If we wanted to do that, we could have done the same thing we did with the EU poll and just have people submit their top 50 from all the movies. However, making a list that large and ordering it is kind of a daunting task. Submitting a smaller list means that I have to leave a lot of figures I want off the list.

Thus, I went with a variation on Tycho's idea and took the top 5 from each group for a total of 35 figures to select from. Since it might be possible that the top six figures that people want could be from the same movie, I decided that only the top five from each round of Phase 2 voting would make our list. That way, that sixth figure still has a chance to rank #6. Also, it might be possible that someone's top 5 from the round are from one movie and they don't like any of the other figures better than #6 from that movie. By limiting the selection to 5 figures, they don't have to give up votes or vote for something they don't like as much.

Now, considering that JT isn't too impressed with the list so far, he may have difficulty picking 5 that he wants from the list in the first round of Phase 2. However, that just means that the figures he really wants didn't get enough votes to make the top 5 in their particular poll. If they didn't do that well in the preliminary voting, they aren't going to do any better if we had open voting in Phase 2 either. There are plenty in the list that I didn't vote for or rank that high. In a way, that is a blessing in that it will make it a little easier to select my top 5.

I see the Phase 2 voting as more exciting than what we have done so far. Each round will be just a week long to keep things moving along. If your favorite figures aren't in the first round, they could be in one of the upcoming rounds. While looking at the individual movie lists may reveal a lot of boring, obscure, and uninteresting figures, when combined there should be something everyone can vote for since plenty of people voted for them in Phase 1.

JediTricks
03-18-2008, 11:20 PM
I can probably mine out... how many figures was it again? 5 figures? Yeah, ok, I see that, 5 figures. For me, I can find at least 5 from that list:

Tey How
Cliegg Lars
Dr. Evazan
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Guri
Joruus C'baoth

What concerns me is that I found 7 figures from that list I'd have any likelihood of buying, someone is going to have to fall off that list. And the next round, I'll still be fighting for these figures when something even better comes along. Ultimately, phase II is where I really don't know how well it'll work, it's a very limited number after such a massive number in phase I. Phase I was less about the "strategy" and just about what people wanted, here it's going to come down to strategies and such - that's something I've always been vocal against. That's why I don't post running counts in the Q&A poll, and why I let voters there just vote for as many as we're sending in - obviously that's different from this, but 5 votes seems especially limiting.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-19-2008, 01:53 AM
I can probably mine out... how many figures was it again? 5 figures? Yeah, ok, I see that, 5 figures. For me, I can find at least 5 from that list:

Tey How
Cliegg Lars
Dr. Evazan
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Guri
Joruus C'baoth

What concerns me is that I found 7 figures from that list I'd have any likelihood of buying, someone is going to have to fall off that list. And the next round, I'll still be fighting for these figures when something even better comes along. Ultimately, phase II is where I really don't know how well it'll work, it's a very limited number after such a massive number in phase I. Phase I was less about the "strategy" and just about what people wanted, here it's going to come down to strategies and such - that's something I've always been vocal against. That's why I don't post running counts in the Q&A poll, and why I let voters there just vote for as many as we're sending in - obviously that's different from this, but 5 votes seems especially limiting.Other than the EU poll and early in the ANH poll, I haven't posted results, and I won't be posting running totals in this one. People can see what other people are voting for, so unless you are suggesting everyone e-mail their votes, I don't see any other way we could do it.

I had enough trouble trying to figure out which figures to leave off many of the movie polls, so I certainly am not going to have it any easier if I had to select 25 or even 50 from these lists. Picking 5 from 35 will still be tough, but it's not as final. While I may be interested in a lot more than 5, I should be able to determine which ones I want the most, and I'll know that I'll get a chance to vote for the others in the later rounds. It's also possible that enough other people will vote for ones that I didn't and they will make the list without me having to vote for it.

I'm not sure how much strategy will enter into it. I think if you try strategy, you'll just end up overthinking it and not really accomplish anything with it. One might try ranking one figure higher than they normally would because they know the others on their list will probably get enough votes, but if everyone thinks like that, then that strategy could backfire. Just vote for what you want.

I think that part of the problem in your situation is that in 4 of the 5 completed polls, only 5 of the figures you voted for made the top 25 (11 of your picks made it in the ESB poll). So, there obviously won't be as much that will interest you in Phase 2 compared to those that had 10-15 or more make the top 25 in each poll.

Tycho
03-19-2008, 05:25 AM
I'm not sure how JT would classify his interests for unproduced figures. JT???

There are a lot of us who would say our interest lies in figures never-made-before, and we're less concerned with more tweaking and improvements on what we already have.

JT is right about me, in that in this thread or another, he said that my interest is singularly filling my dioramas, and if they don't make Nyrat Agira or Wioslea, they are next on my want list (why I'm excited for Wilrow Hood).

There are re-dos like Death Star II Luke and AOTC Obi-Wan (and carding AOTC Anakin Evolutions with a robe) which I DO want, but more smuggler Han Solos, Darth Vaders, ANH Leias, Qui-Gons, Dookus, Jangos, I just can't get into.

I even think Hasbro could have sold us an undersized Grievous so we'll all have to buy him over again when they correct it. I am really suspicious.

JediTricks
03-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Other than the EU poll and early in the ANH poll, I haven't posted results, and I won't be posting running totals in this one. People can see what other people are voting for, so unless you are suggesting everyone e-mail their votes, I don't see any other way we could do it.I'm not suggesting that. I was just saying that the way phase 2 seems to work, it'll demand more "strategy" types of voting which I don't like and try to discourage.


I had enough trouble trying to figure out which figures to leave off many of the movie polls, so I certainly am not going to have it any easier if I had to select 25 or even 50 from these lists. Picking 5 from 35 will still be tough, but it's not as final. While I may be interested in a lot more than 5, I should be able to determine which ones I want the most, and I'll know that I'll get a chance to vote for the others in the later rounds. It's also possible that enough other people will vote for ones that I didn't and they will make the list without me having to vote for it.

I'm not sure how much strategy will enter into it. I think if you try strategy, you'll just end up overthinking it and not really accomplish anything with it. One might try ranking one figure higher than they normally would because they know the others on their list will probably get enough votes, but if everyone thinks like that, then that strategy could backfire. Just vote for what you want.Your intentions are that people just vote for what they want, and if they did that'd be great, but with such short options and such short lists and low vote counts, when you have figures being bumped up and down the list people are going vote for what they think can win, or try to salvage what they think will fall off quickly that they want. This is what happened last time, there was tons of Survivor-esque strategizing and ultimately the final list was as much about that as anything. By voting for a figure they sorta want that's about to fall off the list in the next round, they sacrifice a little for something they can see is doing well enough in order to salvage an otherwise unpopular figure. Hell, even I did it on my Most Wanted Vehicles list, I saw one of my most wanted vehicles was already placing highly so I put it lower on my list and bumped up weaker entries - and it seemed to work.

Another example, I didn't vote for the Tonnikas despite them being on most of my most-wanted comments for the last 9 years of SSG YIR because I knew Hasbro wouldn't do it, it'd be a waste of 2 vote slots. And I feel fully justified in doing so because most of my votes weren't popular items and needed that little extra boost in support.


I think that part of the problem in your situation is that in 4 of the 5 completed polls, only 5 of the figures you voted for made the top 25 (11 of your picks made it in the ESB poll). So, there obviously won't be as much that will interest you in Phase 2 compared to those that had 10-15 or more make the top 25 in each poll.You're mistaken, I already know nothing I want is going to get tops in these polls, my participation is as much academic as anything. My concern is entirely based on what I've already seen happen in the past, I want this to be as honest a list as we can turn in, but from what I understand about how the next few rounds will go, there will be a lot of strategery.

Moreover, most of my interests are products Hasbro's more likely to make anyway because my tastes are closer to the casual collector market's than the esoteric chioces of the hardcore collector market.


I'm not sure how JT would classify his interests for unproduced figures. JT???I don't know if I understand what you mean. There are very few unproduced figures left that I really WANT, most of my votes are figures that desperately need updating, but there are a few actual unproduced figures I want, I'm just not hungering for them.


I even think Hasbro could have sold us an undersized Grievous so we'll all have to buy him over again when they correct it. I am really suspicious.If they had done it right the first time, they would have continued to sell more of 'em. Your thinking is based on burst sales, but Hasbro's also looking at longterm sales, creating new molds simply to get another round of burst sales is not as lucrative as the savings of not creating extra molds. Hasbro's chief business model is about REUSING the same mold over and over and over.

Tycho
03-19-2008, 06:35 PM
JT, you know there was those "strategy voting issues" with my original poll and so Kidhuman tried it his way - and we came up with 36 of the same figures with 2 very different methods (Kidhuman's was the plain write-in method that you advocated).

Incidentally, MadSlantedPowers can do a total write-in "all-movie-&-EU-eligible list," but having the individual movie demand lists is also good, as we've stated, since Hasbro likes to say, "OK, we're going to do an AOTC wave." (Then we can get that exciting librarian figure! ;) )

But so then what? We'll have one more "super-poll?" And nothing left to do? Maybe we should start a poll asking "which characters that company should make crappy keychains out of next?"

This process that MadSlantedPowers is doing will actually work and get fair results.

Finally, on Rebelscum, they have been copying our efforts and learning what their forums regulars think as well. I AM registered over there (as Tycho) but am not trying to influence anything and not participating in the RS effort. However, it is worthwhile noting that they are getting very close to the exact same results that we are.

This is good in terms of illustrating which figures are now in demand. (It doesn't fair so well for your tastes in "updates" of figures we already have on EITHER SITE). Many want what's never been made before - and it's not just diorama builders like myself who want to complete scenes with exciting librarian action sequences!!! ;)

(hey, the cougars in the SW galaxy need representation, too)

Mad Slanted Powers
03-19-2008, 07:30 PM
Tycho's poll has 28 figures left to be made. ROTS and EU weren't part of that poll. Of the 25 figures from the other movies that will be in the first round of Phase 2 (assuming the ROTJ results hold through the weekend) 18 will be from Tycho's list. At least three other from his list stand a good chance of making the list, with two or three others having an outside shot.

Still, I just see Phase 2 as a fun way to combine the figures into one list. As Tycho pointed out, we have the individual movie lists to refer to as well.

JediTricks
03-19-2008, 08:27 PM
I thought the idea was to find out what necessary figures from the whole saga were most desired.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-19-2008, 10:10 PM
I thought the idea was to find out what necessary figures from the whole saga were most desired.

It is, and the fact that we are getting results similar to the previous poll shows that we are getting the most desired figures. People voted for them before and now they've voted for them again. If we just had people submit one list for Phase 2, the final list would still look similar. So, why not have some fun with the process rather than, "Here's my list" and wait for a month to find out the results? It's not a flawless method, but it keeps things interesting and gives people something to look forward to each week. You get to see which figures made the cut, and find out which figures will move up to have their chance to get voted on. You get to see how well your choices fair each week. If they just missed making the list one week, there is a good chance they will make it the next.

JediTricks
03-19-2008, 10:15 PM
I guess we'll see, but I suspect the same 5 will get salvaged by their voters over and over and over from round to round.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-20-2008, 12:50 AM
Well, if there is a figure that doesn't have as wide of an appeal, then someone who really likes that figure will find themselves voting for it each round. But the figures that make the list are going to be the ones with more support, so that means most people are voting for them and they will see at least some of their votes advance.

Gothiczartan
03-21-2008, 08:28 PM
I wonder how many votes for a SA luke snowspeeder pilot, all other x wing pilots SA, rest of the cantina aliens, jabba palace aliens, all the thugs from skiff and sail barge, rest of the snowspeeder pilots SA?

what I want a retooled TAC luke jedi for a black gloved hand, a correct soft good tunic, soft good cloak, blaster and lightsaber.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-21-2008, 10:48 PM
I wonder how many votes for a SA luke snowspeeder pilot, all other x wing pilots SA, rest of the cantina aliens, jabba palace aliens, all the thugs from skiff and sail barge, rest of the snowspeeder pilots SA?

what I want a retooled TAC luke jedi for a black gloved hand, a correct soft good tunic, soft good cloak, blaster and lightsaber.
The ESB results have been posted. Luke Snowspeeder pilot didn't place very high (33rd with 8 votes), but Dak and Wedge Snowspeeder pilot were 7th and 8th. Wes Janson placed 23rd, but he's scheduled to be in a rebel pilots pack later this year. Hobbie placed 27th with only 5 votes. He probably didn't get much support since we just got him in a comic pack, even if it wasn't snowspeeder gear.

The ROTJ poll will be finished Sunday and the results will be posted both here and in that thread. Looks like you haven't voted there yet, so you still have a bit of time to post your choices there. The link is in my signature line until the poll is done.

Gothiczartan
03-21-2008, 11:19 PM
The ESB results have been posted. Luke Snowspeeder pilot didn't place very high (33rd with 8 votes), but Dak and Wedge Snowspeeder pilot were 7th and 8th. Wes Janson placed 23rd, but he's scheduled to be in a rebel pilots pack later this year. Hobbie placed 27th with only 5 votes. He probably didn't get much support since we just got him in a comic pack, even if it wasn't snowspeeder gear.

The ROTJ poll will be finished Sunday and the results will be posted both here and in that thread. Looks like you haven't voted there yet, so you still have a bit of time to post your choices there. The link is in my signature line until the poll is done.

at least he still a must be made new sculpt figure and the rest of them. where do I vote for ESB? how do I vote, all i have to do is write down their names?

after the most voted figures are done being made into figures, the rest has to be made into figures like the ones I always wanted.

can't have a complete star wars line without the SA snowspeeder pilots. after wes maybe might be a chance for luke, wedge, hobbie, dak and the rest of the snowspeeder pilots

Mad Slanted Powers
03-21-2008, 11:41 PM
at least he still a must be made new sculpt figure and the rest of them. where do I vote for ESB? how do I vote, all i have to do is write down their names?
The ESB poll is closed, but you already voted in it. Actually you voted twice and changed your votes around, and you also kept posting there asking why the original choices weren't updated to include various snowspeeder pilots. I went with whatever your last votes were.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-23-2008, 09:12 PM
Here are the results for the Return of the Jedi poll. I've saved it to http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. The file was created in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice, but I saved it as an Excel file.

There were 43 voters in this poll, which equals the amount from the ESB poll.

Wooof was a clear winner here, with the others in the top 5 closely bunched well behind him.

So, just one more poll to complete. You have a week to get in your votes for the ROTS thread if you haven't already.

1. Wooof.....565 points (33 votes)
2. Sim Aloo.....387 points (26 votes)
3. BG-J38.....378 points (26 votes)
4. Cane Adiss.....376 points (21 votes)
5. Sgt. Doallyn.....374 points (23 votes)
6. Gamorrean Guard.....345 points (22 votes)
7. Slave Leia SA.....339 points (19 votes)
8. R2-D2 Shield Bunker.....322 points (21 votes)
9. Luke Death Star II.....321 points (20 votes)
10. Admiral Ackbar.....311 points (20 votes)
11. Lumat.....299 points (23 votes)
12. Kithaba.....278 points (21 votes)
13. Taym Dren-garen.....269 points (18 votes)
14. Jess.....260 points (17 votes)
15. Warok.....250 points (20 votes)
16. Yoda Spirit.....246 points (15 votes)
17. Paploo.....245 points (17 votes)
18. Shasa Tiel.....241 points (16 votes)
19. Nien Nunb.....234 points (17 votes)
20. Nikto Skiff 2 Vintage.....225 points (13 votes)
21. TT-8L.....217 points (15 votes)
22. Geezum.....208 points (15 votes)
23. Funeral Pyre Vader.....199 points (11 votes)
24. Wicket.....191 points (11 votes)
25. Fozec.....188 points (11 votes)
26. 2nd Weequay.....181 points (12 votes)
27. Worrt.....178 points (16 votes)
28. Nik Sant.....168 points (14 votes)
29. Lando Endor.....165 points (11 votes)
30. Oola.....160 points (10 votes)
31. Vedain.....157 points (12 votes)
32. Attark.....156 points (12 votes)
33. Laudica.....155 points (10 votes)
34. Yoxgit.....146 points (11 votes)
35. Loje Nella.....142 points (8 votes)
36. Giran.....129 points (11 votes)
37. Grizz Frix.....122 points (12 votes)
38. Weequay.....120 points (8 votes)
39. Rabin.....113 points (11 votes)
40. Dresselian Rebel.....107 points (9 votes)
41. Horton Salm.....102 points (8 votes)
42. Gauron Nas Tal.....97 points (7 votes)
43t. Velken Tezeri.....93 points (8 votes)
43t. Shaw Spirit Anakin.....93 points (4 votes)
45t. Kazak.....91 points (9 votes)
45t. Wam Lufba.....91 points (6 votes)
47. R2-D2 Launching Lightsaber.....89 points (7 votes)
48. Nysad.....88 points (7 votes)
49. Lt. Telsij.....85 points (7 votes)
50. Wuta.....84 points (10 votes)
51. White R5.....83 points (7 votes)
52. Sy Snootles.....74 points (4 votes)
53. Emperor Palpatine.....72 points (4 votes)
54. Y-Wing Pilot “I'm Hit”.....67 points (6 votes)
55. Ten Numb.....66 points (7 votes)
56. Human B-wing pilot.....65 points (7 votes)
57t. Mon Mothma.....62 points (5 votes)
57t. Tortured 2-1B.....62 points (4 votes)
59. Saelt Marae.....60 points (5 votes)
60t. Walex Blissex.....57 points (4 votes)
60t. Han Carbonite.....57 points (4 votes)
62t. Lathe.....55 points (5 votes)
62t. Mother Ewok & wokling.....55 points (4 votes)
64. Ree Yees.....53 points (3 votes)
65. Yotts Orren.....52 points (3 votes)
66t. Karie Neth.....51 points (4 votes)
66t. Gailid.....51 points (4 votes)
68t. Red R3.....50 points (5 votes)
68t. Jabba the Hutt.....50 points (2 votes)
70. Harc Seff.....48 points (3 votes)
71t. Rebel tech - brown uniform.....45 points (5 votes)
71t. Lt. Endicott.....45 points (4 votes)
73t. EV-9D9.....42 points (4 votes)
73t. Logray.....42 points (2 votes)
75. Beedo.....41 points (3 votes)
76. Barada.....40 points (2 votes)
77. Commander Igar.....34 points (4 votes)
78t. Nizuc Bek.....31 points (3 votes)
78t. Pucumir Thryss.....31 points (2 votes)
80. Herot.....30 points (2 votes)
81. Princess Leia Sandstorm.....29 points (2 votes)
82t. Arvel Crynyd.....24 points (2 votes)
82t. Amanaman.....24 points (1 vote)
82t. Mon Calamari officer.....24 points (1 vote)
82t. Emperor's Wrath Luke.....24 points (1 vote)
86t. Lumat Vintage.....22 points (1 vote)
86t. Neb Dulo.....22 points (1 vote)
86t. Hayden Spirit Anakin blue.....22 points (1 vote)
89. Rennek.....21 points (3 votes)
90t. Teebo.....20 points (1 vote)
90t. Soth Petikkin.....20 points (1 vote)
90t. Obi-Wan Spirit.....20 points (1 vote)
93t. Orrimaarko.....19 points (2 votes)
93t. Sic-Six.....19 points (1 vote)
93t. Boba Fett.....19 points (1 vote)
96. Ghoel.....18 points (1 vote)
97t. Tessek.....17 points (1 vote)
97t. Imperials in blue uniforms.....17 points (1 vote)
97t. Sail Barge Weequay.....17 points (1 vote)
97t. AV-6R7.....17 points (1 vote)
101t. Vul Tazaene.....16 points (3 votes)
101t. Stormtrooper Shot.....16 points (1 vote)
101t. Rystall.....16 points (1 vote)
104t. Rayc Ryjerd.....15 points (3 votes)
104t. Adron Crell.....15 points (3 votes)
104t. Jake Farrell.....15 points (2 votes)
104t. Rebel Commando.....15 points (1 vote)
104t. Imperial Dignitary Tall Hat.....15 points (1 vote)
104t. Lyn-Me.....15 points (1 vote)
110t. Keir Santage.....14 points (2 votes)
110t. Keoulkeech.....14 points (1 vote)
112t. Jerjerrod.....13 points (1 vote)
112t. Bib Fortuna.....13 points (1 vote)
114t. Olander Brit.....12 points (2 votes)
114t. Royal Guard.....12 points (1 vote)
116. Giant Mouse Droid.....11 points (3 votes)
117. Bron Burs.....9 points (1 vote)
118. Rock Wart.....8 points (1 vote)
119. Han Solo Bunker.....8 points (1 vote)
120t. Lieutenant Endcott.....4 points (1 vote)
120t. Rebel tech with trooper helmet.....4 points (1 vote)
122. Captain Yorr.....1 points (1 vote)

Tycho
03-23-2008, 10:12 PM
There were only 3 figures "missing" that won in my previous poll, though I saw at least 2 of them place here, and probably just overlooked the 3rd:

R2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
Keolkeech (Ewok)
Mother Ewok - whom we previously voted the baby Wokling should come with

I'm not too concerned. That Woof did so well is awesome. He'll make a great figure (as the vintage "Klaatu" was). The actual Klaatu was the skiff guard that we already have both vintage and modern figures of. Both Klaatu and Woof are the green-skinned species of Nikto. There is obviously a red-skinned one as well, whom the vintage and modern figures are correctly labeled as.

Cane Adiss could make for a very interesting figure. I'd never noticed him in all these years!

Mad Slanted Powers
03-23-2008, 10:41 PM
There were only 3 figures "missing" that won in my previous poll, though I saw at least 2 of them place here, and probably just overlooked the 3rd:

R2 Lightsaber Launcher resculpt
Keolkeech (Ewok)
Mother Ewok - whom we previously voted the baby Wokling should come with

I'm not too concerned. That Woof did so well is awesome. He'll make a great figure (as the vintage "Klaatu" was). The actual Klaatu was the skiff guard that we already have both vintage and modern figures of. Both Klaatu and Woof are the green-skinned species of Nikto. There is obviously a red-skinned one as well, whom the vintage and modern figures are correctly labeled as.

Cane Adiss could make for a very interesting figure. I'd never noticed him in all these years!
Since I didn't list Keoulkeech, you were the only one that voted for him. Mother Ewok & wokling was tied for 62nd with 4 votes and 55 points. R2 launching lightsaber was 47th with 7 votes and 89 points.

These were the results I liked the least for the top 5. Doallyn was the only one I voted for. I'd prefer Kithaba over Wooof, as I like the look better, as well as the color of the red pants. I think he's more visible than Wooof and Barada, a figure that has already been made.

El Chuxter
03-23-2008, 11:05 PM
The news came too late for this poll, but Hasbro essentially confirmed both the Sandstorm Leia and (sigh) a new Slave Leia for sometime in the near future.

bigbarada
03-24-2008, 12:47 AM
Since I didn't list Keoulkeech, you were the only one that voted for him. Mother Ewok & wokling was tied for 62nd with 4 votes and 55 points. R2 launching lightsaber was 47th with 7 votes and 89 points.

These were the results I liked the least for the top 5. Doallyn was the only one I voted for. I'd prefer Kithaba over Wooof, as I like the look better, as well as the color of the red pants. I think he's more visible than Wooof and Barada, a figure that has already been made.

I'm a little disappointed with Kithaba's 12th place finish, but that's still pretty good considering that people have only recently come to realize that he's not Barada. Kithaba also has the coolest death of all the Skiff Guards.

An interesting side fact, Kithaba is the first Skiff Guard to take a swing at Luke, the first Skiff Guard to go overboard, but the last Skiff Guard to die as he's dragged screaming into the Sarlacc.

I kind of hoped that the Gamorrean Guard would have ranked higher as well.

As for the top 5:

Wooof - I'll definitely buy him and I find it strange that he hasn't be remade in the modern line yet.

Sim Aloo - I guess he needs to be made eventually, but I'm not super excited about him.

BG-J38 - This would just turn into another overly-bendy, ultimately useless figure since the droid's limbs are so thin

Cane Adiss - I'm definitely interested, but am a little worried about how Hasbro would choose to solve the problem of the body since nothing has ever been designed.

Sgt. Doallyn - He's a Skiff Guard, so I'll buy him, but I like Bane Malar better and I can easily come up with 7 or 8 Skiff Guards that I would like to see made before him.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-24-2008, 01:07 AM
I kind of hoped that the Gamorrean Guard would have ranked higher as well.
Given the popularity of Wooof, the Gamorrean Guard will probably have a chance to get voted on fairly quickly in Phase 2.



Cane Adiss - I'm definitely interested, but am a little worried about how Hasbro would choose to solve the problem of the body since nothing has ever been designed.Even after I read where this guy was supposed to be, I still had trouble finding him on screen. You can barely see his heads as Chewie is being lead down to the dungeon.


Sgt. Doallyn - He's a Skiff Guard, so I'll buy him, but I like Bane Malar better and I can easily come up with 7 or 8 Skiff Guards that I would like to see made before him.That's where the big debate has been. According to the EU, he wasn't at Carkoon, but the Decipher card seems to have named the guy on skiff two as him. If he is the one Chewie throws, then he has a darker outfit.

Tycho
03-24-2008, 03:40 AM
I can easily come up with 7 or 8 Skiff Guards that I would like to see made before him.

I would have liked to have seen Taym Dren-garen rank higher than Number 13.

He's the human guard that shoots Luke's bionic hand on the sailbarge.

Perhaps if a Slave Leia figure gets shown, Taym can move up to No. 12, but he's not likely to get voted on in Phase II, I'd think.

It's also good to see Lumat, Warok, and a resculpt of Paploo doing well - but not well enough.

The Gamorrean, Ackbar, and Cane Addiss (for the sole reason that we don't have a complete alien design for the latter) don't need to be there before figures that have never been made before, including modern updates for several of the vintage Ewoks. By that logic, Slave Leia was also an unnecessary vote, but she's being made eventually (2009?) so there's no point in discussing it.

I don't know if Leia should come off the list yet, as no picture has been shown. That would still help determine if people who voted for her are satisfied with Hasbro's efforts. But it's up to MadSlantedPowers.

pegger
03-24-2008, 11:13 AM
I was honestly hoping that Grizz would place higher - there is no way he'll make the top 50 list as far down as he is.

Looking forward to the next round. The rest of the top 5 are OK.

sebillba
03-24-2008, 01:37 PM
This is the first time my no. 1 choice came out on top :thumbsup: but my no. 2 (Harc Seff) only made it to no. 70!!! :eek: I can't believe he didn't do better. I also thought Kithaba should've been in the top 10.

pegger
03-24-2008, 01:43 PM
I don't know if Leia should come off the list yet, as no picture has been shown. That would still help determine if people who voted for her are satisfied with Hasbro's efforts. But it's up to MadSlantedPowers.

I wouldn't remove any votes.

If people want to vote for them - knowing that they are due to come out next year - that's their problem.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-25-2008, 12:11 AM
I wouldn't remove any votes.

If people want to vote for them - knowing that they are due to come out next year - that's their problem.
The problem in Phase 2 is that they will be filling up a slot and preventing other figures from making it onto the list of figures to vote on. So, if people decide not to waste a vote on it, then it's just going to sit in that spot when another figure could be there. With the figures we have actually seen and ones they have confirmed like Willrow, I'm willing to leave them off. The red battle droid commander and slave Leia are a little less certain. With Leia they said "We do not have details to offer, but if all goes according to plans we'll see a new one in the EpVI wave planned for '09." It sounds like they intend to make these, so I'm inclined to leave them off. We can still list them on the individual movie polls with asterisks or something to indicate they placed in Phase 1 voting but were announced prior to Phase 2.

pegger
03-25-2008, 06:21 AM
The problem in Phase 2 is that they will be filling up a slot and preventing other figures from making it onto the list of figures to vote on. So, if people decide not to waste a vote on it, then it's just going to sit in that spot when another figure could be there. With the figures we have actually seen and ones they have confirmed like Willrow, I'm willing to leave them off. The red battle droid commander and slave Leia are a little less certain. With Leia they said "We do not have details to offer, but if all goes according to plans we'll see a new one in the EpVI wave planned for '09." It sounds like they intend to make these, so I'm inclined to leave them off. We can still list them on the individual movie polls with asterisks or something to indicate they placed in Phase 1 voting but were announced prior to Phase 2.

I really don't want to "Rancor"-ize the thread - but if people make uneducated, uniformed choices - well, so be it. Yes - at this point we should be lobbying for the figures we want - and telling people which ones are rumours, etc - but to eliminate them from voting? I went back to my intitial phase 1 voets and changed them when I heard stuff was coming out.

I understand we want to present a list with 50 new and not in the pipeline figs - but it should also include stuff we really want. If "Wilrow Hood" makes the final list - then so be it. At least Hasbro will know they are on the right track. If it doesn't - then the voters here are smarter than you think.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-25-2008, 09:11 AM
I understand we want to present a list with 50 new and not in the pipeline figs - but it should also include stuff we really want. If "Wilrow Hood" makes the final list - then so be it. At least Hasbro will know they are on the right track. If it doesn't - then the voters here are smarter than you think.If we went with the method taking the top 25 from each poll and letting people vote on their overall top 25, then I might agree with that. However, with only 5 from each poll available at a time, then that figure will sit there and occupy a slot and never advance if people pass it up because they know it is coming. With the top 25 method, the figures that are being kept off the list are ones that wouldn't make the final list anyway.

Tycho
03-25-2008, 09:56 AM
On ANH's list, the Tonnika Sisters are the biggest problem (if Hasbro just will NOT make them due to licensing lawsuits).

But since Evezan (resculpt), Wioslea, and Vimdim will all probably make the cut, I think people will just "vote around" the Tonnikas and figures like Brainiac, Dice Ebegon, and Uncle Own (resculpt), as well as probably WED-15 and the Saurin, will probably all get their chance. They likely will even if the Tonnikas make the final list anyway.

Speaking of "uneducated voters," someone ELSE can now explain the inevitable "why won't Hasbro make the Tonnikas?" question.

El Chuxter
03-25-2008, 11:00 AM
Hasbro will not make the Tonnikas because they are supposed to be Cuban, and Hasbro will honor our nation's embargo of Cuba as long as necessary.

Tycho
03-25-2008, 11:25 AM
That's right. Their real names are Fidel and Raul Tonnika!

In 1977, then cutting-edge special effects were used to hide their beards and mustaches so they'd appear like aliens in the film. Otherwise, to appear like aliens, Cubans only need be featured in a setting approximate to Florida. However, there were no palm trees and pink flamingos on Tatooine.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-25-2008, 06:51 PM
I'll still vote for them, just not in the first round like I probably would have. I think they are a different situation than figures that have been mentioned as coming soon. I think they are figures we have to keep expressing our interest in so that the powers that be will continue to find out a way that they can make them.

You know, I wouldn't think that the actresses would have any rights to the character names, hairstyle or costumes. Perhaps Hasbro could just sculpt them with a different face. Heck, the vintage Luke didn't really look much like Mark Hamill. At that size, the outfit and hair would be more recognizable than the face.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-28-2008, 09:31 PM
I was looking at Rebelscum's results and comparing to ours. They did their poll differently. People just submitted 10 nominations per film, and those that had enough nominations are into their second round which is going on now. In the second round, you rank each figure from 1 to 6, with 1 being "not going to buy" and 6 being "most wanted".

Here are our OT top 25's with the RS rankings in parentheses.

ANH - Top 29 from their poll made the finals
1. Dr. Evazan (7th)
2. Brea Tonnika (1st)
3. Wioslea (tied 8th)
4. Senni Tonnika (1st)
5. Bom Vimdin (5th)
6. Brainiac (12th)
7. Dice Ibegon (16th)
8. Uncle Owen (6th)
9. WED-15-ST68 (tied 20th)
10. Saurin (11th)
11. Trinto Duaba (tied 34th)
12. Tzizvvt (25th)
13. Red Leader (14th)
14. Rebel Technician (17th)
15. Mosep Binneed (tied 30th)
16. Ponda Baba (4th)
17. Baniss Keeg (tied 22nd)
18. Reegesk (37th)
19. Commander Praji (3rd for Imperial Officer Black Tunic)
20. Pello Scrambas (10th)
21. Red Leader's R5 Unit (tied 18th)
22. R5-A2 (29th)
23. Commander Willard (44th)
24. Obi-Wan Kenobi (2nd)
25. Imperial Officer (grey uniform)


ESB - 23 from their poll made the finals
1. Torynn Farr (4th)
2. Luke Medical Frigate (9th)
3. Leia Medical Frigate (14th)
4. Needa (7th)
5. Edian – black Bespin Guard (1st but no race specified)
6. Han Solo Bespin (8th)
7. Dak Ralter (15th)
8. Wedge Snowspeeder (tied 19th)
9. Hoth Rebel Soldier SA (2nd)
10. Piett (6th)
11. Vintage Hoth Rebel (tied 19th)
12. Leia Hoth (5th)
13. Probe Droid (tied 22nd)
14. Willrow Hood (removed from consideration)
15. Treva Horme (tied 28th)
16. Wiorkettle (27th)
17. Ugnaughts (13th)
18. Sheckil (18th)
19. E-3PO (17th)
20. R5-M2 (removed from consideration)
21. Obi-Wan spirit with hood up (Hoth)
22. Lando Calrissian (30th)
23. Wes Janson (removed from consideration)
24. Utriss M'Toc (24th)
25. Leia Bespin Escape (21st)

ROTJ - 29 from their poll made the finals
1. Wooof (3rd)
2. Sim Aloo (8th)
3. BG-J38 (19th)
4. Cane Adiss (20th)
5. Sgt. Doallyn (11th)
6. Gamorrean Guard (5th)
7. Slave Leia SA (10th)
8. R2-D2 Shield Bunker
9. Luke Death Star II (1st)
10. Admiral Ackbar (2nd)
11. Lumat (9th with Paploo)
12. Kithaba (23rd)
13. Taym Dren-garen (28th)
14. Jess (tied 32nd)
15. Warok (31st with Teebo)
16. Yoda Spirit (tied 35th)
17. Paploo (9th with Lumat)
18. Shasa Tiel (24th)
19. Nien Nunb (6th)
20. Nikto Skiff 2 Vintage (16th)
21. TT-8L
22. Geezum (tied 62nd)
23. Funeral Pyre Vader (tied 6nd)
24. Wicket (7th with Logray)
25. Fozec (tied 35th)

Tycho
03-29-2008, 08:46 PM
Nice stats comparions, MadSlantedPowers!!! :thumbsup:

A lot of our results are similar, and some vary only slightly in priority from Rebelscum's - in so much as a Top 10 go.

As to a Top 25, most are all in there - just ordered differently.

Ultimately, it will be really good news for characters that match up in the higher ranks for both sites:

ANH

1. Dr. Evazan (7th)
2. Brea Tonnika (1st)
3. Wioslea (tied 8th)
4. Senni Tonnika (1st)
5. Bom Vimdin (5th)
6. Brainiac (12th)
8. Uncle Owen (6th)
10. Saurin (11th)

ESB

1. Torynn Farr (4th)
2. Luke Medical Frigate (9th)
4. Needa (7th)
5. Edian – black Bespin Guard (1st but no race specified)
6. Han Solo Bespin (8th)
9. Hoth Rebel Soldier SA (2nd)
10. Piett (6th)
12. Leia Hoth (5th)

ROTJ

1. Wooof (3rd)
2. Sim Aloo (8th)
5. Sgt. Doallyn (11th)
6. Gamorrean Guard (5th)
7. Slave Leia SA (10th)
9. Luke Death Star II (1st)
10. Admiral Ackbar (2nd)
11. Lumat (9th with Paploo)

It looks like we and Rebelscum's readers share very strong support behind 8 figures from each OT movie.

Do they have prequel stats, too? I suppose we need to wait until our ROTS poll closes tomorrow before we can compare all 3 prequel movie lists with theirs.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-29-2008, 10:31 PM
I didn't look for the thread that had the prequel tallies, but they have already begun their second phase of voting, starting with TPM, then AOTC, and now ROTS. I think they begin ANH next. I figured I would go back and look for their prequel rankings once our ROTS poll is done.

Also, I'm going to repost all of our results again once the poll is finished so that we can be certain of which figures have been announced. I don't think there are any that will be up for vote in the first round of Phase 2, but I'll want to be prepared for later rounds.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-30-2008, 06:19 PM
Here are the final results for the Revenge of the Sith poll. This had the lowest turnout, with only 27 people voting.

I've saved the file to http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. It was created in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice, but I saved it as an Excel file.

This concludes all of our Phase 1 polls. Look for the Phase 2 to start Wednesday, April 2. I'll post a link here once it starts.

1. Utai.....340 points (19 votes)
2. General Grievous.....324 points (15 votes)
3. FX-6.....251 points (16 votes)
4. Breha Organa.....239 points (15 votes)
5. Midwife Droid.....208 points (14 votes)
6. Owen Lars.....196 points (10 votes)
7. Padmé with hair buns.....195 points (12 votes)
8. Beru Lars.....187 points (10 votes)
9. Coleman Kcaj.....179 points (10 votes)
10. Cin Drallig.....170 points (11 votes)
11t. BD-3000 luxury droid.....169 points (12 votes)
11t. Padmé Funeral.....169 points (10 votes)
13. Padmé Senate Empire Declared.....163 points (10 votes)
14. Palpatine red SA.....160 points (9 votes)
15t. Medical Droid GH-7.....138 points (10 votes)
15t. IG-100 Magnaguard.....138 points (8 votes)
17. Nute Gunray.....132 points (11 votes)
18. Bulkier Polis Masson with helmet.....130 points (9 votes)
19. Bail Organa airspeeder pilot.....129 points (9 votes)
20. Lampay Fay.....115 points (7 votes)
21. Maneeli Tuun.....114 points (8 votes)
22t. Apailana.....109 points (10 votes)
22t. Rune Haako.....109 points (9 votes)
24t. Padmé after Anakin turns.....107 points (7 votes)
24t. Palpatine duel with Yoda.....107 points (7 votes)
26. Denaria Kee.....104 points (7 votes)
27. Sors Bandeam.....102 points (9 votes)
28. Padmé Hosptial Gown.....101 points (7 votes)
29. R4-P44.....100 points (8 votes)
30. Padmé Green Gown.....90 points (4 votes)
31t. Jar Jar.....88 points (6 votes)
31t. Tundra Dowmeia.....88 points (5 votes)
33t. Rute Gunnay.....87 points (6 votes)
33t. Obi-Wan sculpted hood up.....87 points (5 votes)
35. Yoda on Chewie.....86 points (8 votes)
36t. Sheltay Retrac.....76 points (7 votes)
36t. Bail Organa Senate.....76 points (5 votes)
36t. Darth Sidious Hologram.....76 points (4 votes)
39. Padmé blue linen dress.....73 points (5 votes)
40. Padmé Dressing Gown.....72 points (5 votes)
41. Padmé Peacock deleted scene.....71 points (6 votes)
42. Zyn Javeb.....69 points (4 votes)
43. Clone Pilot SA.....67 points (4 votes)
44. Jeremoch Colton.....63 points (7 votes)
45. Padmé Burgundy Velvet.....61 points (4 votes)
46. Mon Calamari Female Dancer.....60 points (3 votes)
47. Sweitt Concorkill.....56 points (4 votes)
48. Yoda impaled Clone.....49 points (4 votes)
49. Sio Bibble.....48 points (4 votes)
50. Malé-Dee.....46 points (4 votes)
51t. Giddean Danu.....45 points (5 votes)
51t. Veedaaz Awmetth.....45 points (2 votes)
53. Anakin Dark Robes.....44 points (3 votes)
54. Po Nudo's aide.....43 points (3 votes)
55t. Sgt. Fox.....42 points (4 votes)
55t. Bail Organa Reception.....42 points (3 votes)
57t. Commander Bacarra.....40 points (2 votes)
57t. Anakin Skywalker.....40 points (2 votes)
59t. Delva Racine.....39 points (4 votes)
59t. Tarfful.....39 points (2 votes)
61t. Bana Breemu.....38 points (4 votes)
61t. Passel Argente.....38 points (2 votes)
63. Commander Cody.....35 points (2 votes)
64. Palpatine declaration of Empire.....34 points (3 votes)
65t. Tikkes.....32 points (5 votes)
65t. San Hill.....32 points (3 votes)
65t. Kit Fisto.....32 points (2 votes)
68. Blue R2 White Dome.....31 points (3 votes)
69. Moteé.....30 points (6 votes)
70t. Ruwee Naberrie.....28 points (2 votes)
70t. Odd Ball.....28 points (2 votes)
72. Jobal Naberrie.....26 points (2 votes)
73. Emperor's Wrath Mace Windu.....25 points (1 vote)
74. Deflected Emperor's Wrath Palpatine.....24 points (1 vote)
75t. Corla Metonae.....23 points (1 vote)
75t. Anakin on fire.....23 points (1 vote)
75t. Waks Trod.....23 points (1 vote)
78. Eeusu Estornii.....22 points (1 vote)
79t. Fang Zar.....21 points (2 votes)
79t. Koyi Mateil.....21 points (1 vote)
81t. Mustafarian.....20 points (1 vote)
81t. Yoda with Chair.....20 points (1 vote)
83. Whie Malreaux.....18 points (1 vote)
84t. Pilot Battle Droid.....17 points (1 vote)
84t. Duke Teta.....17 points (1 vote)
86. Mace Windu.....16 points (1 vote)
87. Cellheim Anujo.....15 points (1 vote)
88. Anakin Burnt w/medical capsule.....10 points (1 vote)
89t. Jai'Galaar.....9 points (1 vote)
89t. Tannon Praji.....9 points (1 vote)
91. Queen Apailana.....8 points (1 vote)
92t. FA-5.....6 points (1 vote)
92t. Imperial Officer.....6 points (1 vote)
94. Eopie.....3 points (1 vote)
95. Elle.....2 points (1 vote)
96t. Bene.....1 points (1 vote)
96t. Holo Coleman Kcaj.....1 points (1 vote)
96t. Anakin post dream.....1 points (1 vote)

Tycho
03-30-2008, 08:57 PM
ROTS had what I consider the most disappointing results.

There were some figures I would have wanted that made it, but my favorites from ROTS will probably not make it to the 2nd round of voting (though a few will):

1. Utai.....340 points (19 votes)
3. FX-6.....251 points (16 votes)
4. Breha Organa.....239 points (15 votes)
5. Midwife Droid.....208 points (14 votes)
6. Owen Lars.....196 points (10 votes)
7. Padmé with hair buns.....195 points (12 votes)
8. Beru Lars.....187 points (10 votes)
11t. BD-3000 luxury droid.....169 points (12 votes)
11t. Padmé Funeral.....169 points (10 votes)
13. Padmé Senate Empire Declared.....163 points (10 votes)
15t. Medical Droid GH-7.....138 points (10 votes)
18. Bulkier Polis Masson with helmet.....130 points (9 votes)
19. Bail Organa airspeeder pilot.....129 points (9 votes) Back at No. 19?! What were you guys thinking?!
22t. Apailana.....109 points (10 votes)
24t. Padmé after Anakin turns.....107 points (7 votes)
24t. Palpatine duel with Yoda.....107 points (7 votes) Ranked so LOW? I can't believe it! This is a major fight scene!
28. Padmé Hosptial Gown.....101 points (7 votes)
30. Padmé Green Gown.....90 points (4 votes)
35. Yoda on Chewie.....86 points (8 votes) A great selling suggestion right here. I didn't think of this before, but still...
36t. Bail Organa Senate.....76 points (5 votes) another good figure of an important character
36t. Darth Sidious Hologram.....76 points (4 votes) Like you guys found enough of these in 1999?
39. Padmé blue linen dress.....73 points (5 votes)
40. Padmé Dressing Gown.....72 points (5 votes)


Queen Apailana ( #91) should have been used to break the tie for #22 (Apailana) since I don't doubt it's the same character. Though Apailana won't be voted on in Phase II, she will make the Top 25 ROTS list we're going to offer Hasbro. So for that part, it DOES matter.


The Eopie (#94) shouldn't even be counted since it is a beast and not a character. It would need to be in a battle-pack or creature assortment, deluxe packaging (with Obi-Wan) or something.

Overall, MadSlantedPowers did an excellent job with these polls and I want to thank him and congratulate him for a job well done.

I am looking forward to Phase II. Looking at our winners and definite contestants, I know I'll be heavily supporting many of the characters from AOTC first and foremost (the Lars family without question).

We all contributed to a great effort here for our part, and with regards to the OT voting, our lists match well with Rebelscum's, further indicating the fans are pretty much in solid agreement on which figures should be the focus of Hasbro's efforts next. Hopefully the PT figure wish-lists will also match just as closely.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-30-2008, 09:14 PM
Queen Apailana ( #91) should have been used to break the tie for #22 (Apailana) since I don't doubt it's the same character. Though Apailana won't be voted on in Phase II, she will make the Top 25 ROTS list we're going to offer Hasbro. So for that part, it DOES matter.Thanks for pointing that out. When I converted the person's original vote to the name I was using, I must have forgot that I had just used Apailana instead of Queen Apailana. That moves her up to #20.



The Eopie (#94) shouldn't even be counted since it is a beast and not a character. It would need to be in a battle-pack or creature assortment, deluxe packaging (with Obi-Wan) or something.I knew it wouldn't matter so I didn't bother to delete it.


Overall, MadSlantedPowers did an excellent job with these polls and I want to thank him and congratulate him for a job well done.

I am looking forward to Phase II. Looking at our winners and definite contestants, I know I'll be heavily supporting many of the characters from AOTC first and foremost (the Lars family without question).

We all contributed to a great effort here for our part, and with regards to the OT voting, our lists match well with Rebelscum's, further indicating the fans are pretty much in solid agreement on which figures should be the focus of Hasbro's efforts next. Hopefully the PT figure wish-lists will also match just as closely.Thank. I look forward to the next phase as well.

Here are how our top 25's did on Rebelscum's polls:

TPM – 26 made their final round
1. Ratts Tyerell (5th)
2. Tey How (9th)
3. Ben Quadinaros (tied for 3rd)
4. Daultay Dofine (tied for 12th)
5. Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple (tied for 15th)
6. Mawhonic (6th)
7. Queen Amidala post senate black (tied for 18th)
8. Kitster (2nd with Wald)
9. Wald (2nd with Wald)
10. R5-X2 (tied for 21st)
11. Rum Sleg (tied for 12th)
12. Ann or Tan Gella (10th)
13. Battle Droid (blue) (generic battle droid tied for 3rd, but this was most requested variant)
14. Aldar Beedo (tied for 47th)
15. Nute Gunray sitting on the walking throne (tied for 15th)
16. Clegg Holdfast (tied for 25th)
17. Obi-Wan Kenobi – new SA resculpt (1st, but being removed from consideration for their next round)
18. PK worker droid (tied for 21st)
19. G8-R3 (R5-A7) (tied for 23rd)
20. Queen Amidala pre-senate grey (removed from consideration)
21. Boles Roor (tied for 45th)
22. Ark "Bumpy" Roose (tied for 32nd)
23. Ebe Endocott (tied for 47th)
24. Greblieps (tied for 30th)
25. Captain Panaka (11th)

AOTC – 25 made their final round
1. Cliegg Lars (1st)
2. Beru Whitesun (4th)
3. Owen Lars (3rd)
4. Jocasta Nu (2nd)
5. Bariss Offee (6th)
6. Queen Jamillia (14th)
7. Padmé Yellow Picnic Dress (16th)
8. Padmé Palpatine's Office (tied for 13th)
9. Dormé (12th)
10. Hermione Bagwa (tied for 27th)
11. Padmé Refugee (15th)
12. Padmé Backless Dress (tied for 9th)
13. Tarados Gon (tied for 13th)
14. Cordé (26th)
15. Captain Typho (tied for 27th)
16. RIC-920 (17th)
17. Toonbuck Toora (tied for 9th))
18. Tikkes (11th)
19. Obi-Wan Jedi Robes (5th, removed from consideration for their next round)
20. Nyrat Agira (tied for 36th)
21. Naboo Holy Man (received 2 votes)
22. Battle Droid Commander Red SA (votes combined in TPM listing, this was 2nd most requested variant)
23. Rogwa Wodrata (21st)
24. FA-4 (tied for 50th)
25.Padmé packing to leave (31st)

ROTS – 25 made their final round
1. Utai (4th)
2. General Grievous (1st)
3. FX-6 (7th)
4. Breha Organa (11th)
5. Midwife Droid (9th with Medical Droid GH-7)
6. Padmé with hair buns (6th)
7. Owen Lars (tied for 27th)
8. Beru Lars (26th)
9. Coleman Kcaj (tied for 21st)
10. Cin Drallig (3rd)
11. BD-3000 luxury droid (23rd)
12. Padmé Funeral (tied for 17th)
13. Padmé Senate Empire Declared (tied for 12th)
14. Palpatine red SA (tied for 17th)
15. Medical Droid GH-7 (9th with Midwife Droid)
16. IG-100 Magnaguard (5th)
17. Nute Gunray (10th)
18. Bulkier Polis Masson with helmet (1 vote)
19. Bail Organa airspeeder pilot (tied for 41st)
20.Apailana (14th)
21.Lampay Fay (2 votes)
22. Maneeli Tuun (tied for 50th)
23. Rune Haako (tied for 31st)
24. Padmé after Anakin turns (combined with Padmé with buns, same outfit under cloak, but different hair)
25. Palpatine duel with Yoda (2nd)

Tycho
03-31-2008, 12:12 AM
Hmmm. With TPM, Rebelscum readers were fixated on the Pod Race - as were we to a bit of a lesser degree.

Almost across the board, Padme did not fare as well with Rebelscum (except for ROTS). Curious. I guess we all like Natalie Portman more over here.

AOTC had the most unified support. That Obi-Wan with Jedi robes from AOTC is probably being done finally. Interestingly enough, Rebelscum supported Padme in her backless dress (first kiss on the balcony) over the other ones we voted up (Senator, yellow dress from the waterfalls). With the greater amount of visible skin, the backless dress figure (though still one I'd definitely buy) may turn out worse because of the visible joints necessary to articulate her.

With ROTS I'm glad another site's readers came to their senses and voted up that Palpatine from the Duel of the Masters (vs. Yoda). Hasbro did a very thorough job mining ROTS for characters to make figures, seeing as how it was definitely the most successful prequel - as it should have been. But while neither list is too much to get excited about (since there is so little left to do) our site's did turn out better as we ranked the Bail Organas higher and were more creative looking at the Polis Masans and variations for Padme.

Tycho
03-31-2008, 12:27 AM
Let's see how the 2 sites' favorites broke down in their Top 10 or so:


TPM

1. Ratts Tyerell (5th)
2. Tey How (9th)
3. Ben Quadinaros (tied for 3rd)
4. Daultay Dofine (tied for 12th)
6. Mawhonic (6th)
8. Kitster (2nd with Wald)
9. Wald (2nd with Wald)
11. Rum Sleg (tied for 12th)
12. Ann or Tan Gella (10th)
13. Battle Droid (blue) (generic battle droid tied for 3rd, but this was most requested variant)

AOTC

1. Cliegg Lars (1st)
2. Beru Whitesun (4th)
3. Owen Lars (3rd)
4. Jocasta Nu (2nd)
5. Bariss Offee (6th)
9. Dormé (12th)
11. Padmé Refugee (15th)
12. Padmé Backless Dress (tied for 9th)
13. Tarados Gon (tied for 13th)

BTW, I think Rebelscum's readers mistake Tonbuck Toora for Rogwa Wodrata as well. This will probably go on until Rogwa gets an action figure because Tonbuck getting one won't solve the awareness problem.

ROTS

1. Utai (4th)
2. General Grievous (1st)
3. FX-6 (7th)
4. Breha Organa (11th)
5. Midwife Droid (9th with Medical Droid GH-7)
6. Padmé with hair buns (6th)
10. Cin Drallig (3rd)
13. Padmé Senate Empire Declared (tied for 12th)
15. Medical Droid GH-7 (9th with Midwife Droid)
16. IG-100 Magnaguard (5th)

So these were around the 10 or so suggested figures for each movie in common between both websites. It is slightly less congruent than with our tastes for the OT options.

I wonder if Hasbro will ever seriously look at Breah Organa? She is important in so far as she is the only mother Leia ever really knew, but for those here who make fun of us wanting Jocasta Nu, Breah Organa never even had any speaking lines and a lot less screen time than Madame Nu

Even I don't know who Tarados Gon is. I'll have to look him up again.

TPM and AOTC produced some pretty decent figure lists. The Padme Senate "Empire Declared" figure would be pretty cool!

As to mainline character representation: General Grievous, various battle droid types, and Padme saw demand.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-31-2008, 01:28 AM
AOTC had the most unified support. That Obi-Wan with Jedi robes from AOTC is probably being done finally.Yeah, I forgot to note that in my post, I've updated it to show they took him out of the next round's voting.


With ROTS I'm glad another site's readers came to their senses and voted up that Palpatine from the Duel of the Masters (vs. Yoda). Hasbro did a very thorough job mining ROTS for characters to make figures, seeing as how it was definitely the most successful prequel - as it should have been. But while neither list is too much to get excited about (since there is so little left to do) our site's did turn out better as we ranked the Bail Organas higher and were more creative looking at the Polis Masans and variations for Padme.One thing that limited them was that they only had 10 nominations per movie. That made it a bit harder to go deeper. Looks like they just counted the number of nominations and didn't rank those 10 either.


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BTW, I think Rebelscum's readers mistake Tonbuck Toora for Rogwa Wodrata as well. This will probably go on until Rogwa gets an action figure because Tonbuck getting one won't solve the awareness problem.Perhaps they nominated him that way, but for the second round, they have the correct picture of him in the thread.

Based on what we've done here and what Rebelscum is doing, I have learned a few things. I think I might be inclined to just do open nominations for the first phase if we were to do this again in the future. I think some things here may have got more votes because we had a list with links that people could go through. Over there you would have to research on your own, so you might overlook some of the obscure characters that you weren't familiar with. I'd still stick with allowing people to nominate 25, because 10 is not very many. Their second round method is kind of interesting, because it allows people to rank each figure as to how much they want it. I'm not sure if I would go that route though. We have yet to see my Phase 2 method in action, so I'll have to reserve judgement on that.

sebillba
03-31-2008, 02:37 AM
I'm really happy with these results. I thought Grievous was going to come out on top, and was really hoping the Utai would be in the top 5..... I was so pleased to see them no. 1!! :D Sure, most of my other top choices didn't fair so well, but I don't care about them so much, the Utai were the only ones I was really bothered about from this round.

I'd also like to thank MSP for doing a fantastic job with these polls, I'm really enjoying them. :thumbsup: I'm also following the RS polls, but they're not so much fun, and I'm not sure they give such an accurate result... I mean, their first round of submitting 10 unranked nominations was not enough (compared to ranking our top 25) and then giving each of the winning nominations a score of 1 to 6 based on how likely you are to buy isn't (I don't think) as accurate as several rounds of ranking your overall top 5 most wanted - also, it seems more open to tactical voting. The only thing I really like about their polls is having the pictures of the nominations posted for the final rounds, as not everyone is going to take the trouble to look up all the obscure characters, so having these visual reminders might help certain characters that might otherwise get overlooked, and it also makes the polls more visually interesting.

One thing I'd like to ask though, is where you found the RS results to compare to ours?* The results I've been looking at are pretty different. For example, here's the most up to date scores I can find:

Darth Sidious - Senate Duel 4.40 79.2%
General Grevious 4.34 76.8%
Cin Drallig 4.16 78.1%
Darth Sidious - Office Duel 4.07 74.2%
IG-100 Magna Guard 4.05 74.5%
FX-6 4.04 74.5%
Commander Cody 3.90 69.6%
Senator Amidala - Anakin's Return 3.87 70.4%
Senator Amidala - Declaration of the Empire 3.80 69.3%
Utai 3.78 69.1%
Senator Amidala - Funeral 3.78 66.3%
Lady Breha Organa 3.72 68.0%
Merumeru 3.65 67.2%
Aayla Secura 3.65 65.4%
Coleman Kcaj 3.65 66.4%
GH-7 & Midwife Droids 3.65 65.9%
Senator Amidala - Peacock Dress 3.61 63.4%
ARC-170 Pilot 3.60 64.4%
Darth Vader - Pre-Duel 3.48 61.3%
BD-3000 "Betty Bot" 3.45 62.3%
Queen Apailana 3.36 58.7%
Fang Zar 3.24 57.3%
Nute Gunray 3.16 53.7%

Here, the Utai are 10th on the list, yet you say they came out 4th?

*Edit: Don't worry, I found the other rankings in their PT Finalists thread.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-31-2008, 08:29 AM
Yeah, the results I got were from the finalist threads which had dropped off their first page. The results you have are how they are doing so far in the second round.

One other thing I noticed with their finalists is that the Naboo pilot was on their list. I looked at our results and saw that generic Naboo Pilot and Arven Wendik tied for 40th with Ellberger right behind in 42nd. Rya Kirsch and Porro Dolphe also received votes. However while none received more than 8 votes, 14 different people voted for at least one of them. So, if I take the top vote for each, that would result in 186 points, good enough for 10th. So, if there are no objections, I think I will put the Naboo pilot in that position for Phase 2.

Tycho
03-31-2008, 10:27 AM
I'm not sure now:

Rum Sleg would make a cool figure and he stands in jepeordy with this move (possibly).

1. Ratts Tyerell.....390 points (21 votes)
2. Tey How.....378 points (23 votes)
3. Ben Quadinaros.....309 points (17 votes)
4. Daultay Dofine.....304 points (17 votes)
5. Queen Amidala return to Naboo purple.....282 points (14 votes)
6. Mawhonic.....241 points (16 votes)
7. Queen Amidala post senate black.....237 points (11 votes)
8. Kitster.....233 points (15 votes)
9. Wald.....216 points (14 votes)
10. R5-X2.....183 points (13 votes)
11. Rum Sleg.....180 points (14 votes)
12. Ann or Tan Gella.....174 points (14 votes)
13. Battle Droid (blue).....173 points (10 votes)

The 7 in boldface type will probably be voted for in Phase II based on my past experience (at some point - possibly ranking somewhat further down the list of figures in our Top 50 compared to characters from other sources. But most of them must get voted onto the list and out of the way for Rum Sleg, who will make a very unique figure, to get his chance to shine. Adding a Naboo Pilot is pretty cool and useful, and probably the right thing to do, but it puts one more figure in the way of another character I think is pretty cool and unique looking.

JediTricks
03-31-2008, 06:46 PM
I'll go through the top 30 to see how I feel:

1. Utai - No thanks.
2. General Grievous - yeah, good "action" figure.
3. FX-6 - yeah, I'd buy this, looks very cool, better than their 2-1b.
4. Breha Organa - pass.
5. Midwife Droid - ugh.
6. Owen Lars - eh, I really don't care, I doubt I'd buy this.
7. Padmé with hair buns - I might, I might not, I doubt it but it's not impossible.
8. Beru Lars - same with Owen, I doubt I'd be interested.
9. Coleman Kcaj - no.
10. Cin Drallig - huh? no.
11t. BD-3000 luxury droid - hope they never make this.
11t. Padmé Funeral - no thanks.
13. Padmé Senate Empire Declared - nope.
14. Palpatine red SA - don't care, sorry, we've got too many old guy figures, this isn't interesting to me.
15t. Medical Droid GH-7 - oh hell no.
15t. IG-100 Magnaguard - yeppers, that'd be cool.
17. Nute Gunray - nu uh.
18. Bulkier Polis Masson with helmet - no thanks.
19. Bail Organa airspeeder pilot - very slight chance, but not "no".
20. Lampay Fay - who? no.
21. Maneeli Tuun - who again? no.
22t. Apailana - oh how very exciting. No!
22t. Rune Haako - fake Rune? Pass.
24t. Padmé after Anakin turns - no thanks.
24t. Palpatine duel with Yoda - just don't care about this one, I don't like how Palps looks by this point, too much of a rubber mask, not very Palpatine that we know from the OT, and the whole scene is too silly.
26. Denaria Kee - who? no.
27. Sors Bandeam - who? no.
28. Padmé Hosptial Gown - why? no.
29. R4-P44 - not unless he had something cool going on.
30. Padmé Green Gown - no thanks.

That is a miserable list for me, so very boring.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-31-2008, 06:50 PM
Well, Rum Sleg will still be on our individual movie list, and he is currently in 3rd in Rebelscum's 2nd round of TPM voting, trailing only Obi-Wan and Amidala Return to Naboo. That actually makes him second since Obi-Wan is on the way.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-31-2008, 07:05 PM
14. Palpatine red SA - don't care, sorry, we've got too many old guy figures, this isn't interesting to me.The main villain in the story in one of the most pivotal scenes in the movie isn't interesting?

Tycho
03-31-2008, 08:46 PM
JediTricks' tastes are only expressed by the minority around fan sites like ours and Rebelscum's. He is interested in the mainline action characters mostly, and any improvements they can make on them, like super-articulation of some figure we already have 5 or more versions of already (like Bespin Han or something).

He claims his voice represents the silent majority out there - with tastes similar to the casual customer or kid who wants the main characters and doesn't really remember Rum Sleg, Wioslea, or Nyrat Agira, nor cares about Jocasta Nu.

The fan sites tend to be the collective hangouts for those who know Bufon Taire and can identify Tahiri Veila. Therefore, the fan sites' majorities are already going to have 5 versions of Han Bespin:

1997 POTF2
1998 MMC
1998 Mynock Hunt
2000 POTJ
2007 Bespin Torture Chair

and I'm probably forgetting one or more. To be honest, if Hasbro did go 7 years without stocking a Han Bespin between 2000 and 2007, then he was lacking in the re-release department for new collectors who might have wanted him.

However, most of us who have been here a long time, find it more interesting to get Herme Odle, Lando Smuggler, and Chief Chirpa because we haven't been offered them at all in 13 years.

I can see how there is no "perfect" Han Bespin YET, but I'm going to make due with the ones I have.

You know, Lando Smuggler would have been a better figure if they'd had a completely separate vest that was added to him like an accessory. I would have preferred that. I still can't help but think he was made the way he was designed with the molded / painted vest, so that Hasbro can revisit this figure again in a few years, and sell some of you another one.

However, I bought 2 and I'm out of the market for Lando Smugglers. He could have been better. But he's done. It's over.

I did NOT update my Kashyyyk Troops from the repainted Bikerscouts with the current wave either.

I'm not at all sorry that I don't play that game.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-31-2008, 10:09 PM
He claims his voice represents the silent majority out there - with tastes similar to the casual customer or kid who wants the main characters and doesn't really remember Rum Sleg, Wioslea, or Nyrat Agira, nor cares about Jocasta Nu.Actually, looking at Rebelscum's current polls where they rank from 1 to 6, JT may not be as far off as you think. There are are a fair amount of people giving figures only a 1 or a 2. The average score for TPM is 3.63, AOTC is 3.74, and ROTS is 3.78. There aren't a lot of figures averaging over a 4.00, which means that even though they may be getting plenty of 5's and 6's, there are some people who have absolutely no interest in them at all.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-31-2008, 10:42 PM
I realized while watching ROTS the other day that I forgot to submit or vote for Bail Organa in the long black robes -- the outfit he wears when he gives the droids to Antilles and brings Leia to Breha. I would actually prefer that to the other Bails, I think.

El Chuxter
03-31-2008, 10:43 PM
Why the love for any more Bails? Weren't 99% of the ones produced melted and buried in New Mexico?

bigbarada
03-31-2008, 10:50 PM
Why the love for any more Bails? Weren't 99% of the ones produced melted and buried in New Mexico?

I know they sat in the K-Mart in Alamogordo, NM for years. Has to be one of the worst selling figures in the history of the line. I think we'll see a new Malikili before we see a new Bail Organa.

Tycho
03-31-2008, 10:51 PM
Bail's most interesting outfits were his Senator's garb from Palpatine's speech declaring there an Empire, and his Jedi Temple Confrontation / airspeeder pilot outfit from Order 66.

Hasbro chose a more bland outfit for his first ROTS action figure if you ask me.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-01-2008, 12:17 AM
I know they sat in the K-Mart in Alamogordo, NM for years. Has to be one of the worst selling figures in the history of the line. I think we'll see a new Malikili before we see a new Bail Organa.Couldn't be more than 3 years since it has not yet been that long since it was released. The ROTS Bail was probably the most recognizable and the which saw the most action. I would have preferred a soft goods cape, though. I didn't find the Comic Pack version, but the soft goods on it don't seem to look all that great either.

I was working on getting links ready for when I start Phase 2, and it looks like Wookieepedia has been hacked or something. The main page is in Aurebesh, and I clicked on a link for English and ended up at Darthipedia looking at interesting entry on Darth Animal. We got to have a figure of that guy.

I edited out the link since I noticed there was some profanity there. I just laughed the hardest I have in a long time reading some of the stuff there.

bigbarada
04-01-2008, 01:35 AM
Couldn't be more than 3 years since it has not yet been that long since it was released. The ROTS Bail was probably the most recognizable and the which saw the most action. I would have preferred a soft goods cape, though. I didn't find the Comic Pack version, but the soft goods on it don't seem to look all that great either.

I was working on getting links ready for when I start Phase 2, and it looks like Wookieepedia has been hacked or something. The main page is in Aurebesh, and I clicked on a link for English and ended up at Darthipedia looking at interesting entry on Darth Animal. We got to have a figure of that guy.

I edited out the link since I noticed there was some profanity there. I just laughed the hardest I have in a long time reading some of the stuff there.

I think it was the AOTC version that pegwarmed the most. I remember seeing him all the way back in 2003.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-01-2008, 02:10 AM
I think it was the AOTC version that pegwarmed the most. I remember seeing him all the way back in 2003.

Interesting. I don't think I saw that wave in the store. I got him and a couple others from Kebco a few months later.

Tycho
04-01-2008, 03:19 AM
it looks like Wookieepedia has been hacked or something. The main page is in Aurebesh, and I clicked on a link for English and ended up at Darthipedia looking at interesting entry on Darth Animal. We got to have a figure of that guy.

It's April Fools' Day.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-01-2008, 08:19 AM
Yeah, I realized that a little bit after I posted. It wasn't quite April 1st here at the time though. Sound like the Darth wiki has been around a while though.

Tycho
04-01-2008, 08:51 AM
Having a Top 10 from each movie and the EU as it is now, and by no means should anyone take it that in Phase II, each category will get THAT much representation, or be limited to that much either, I did go ahead and figure out how many of each groups' Top 10 I'd buy myself:

10 from AOTC
9 from TPM
8 from the Expanded Universe
8 from ANH
7 from ROTJ
7 from ROTS
6 from ESB

So I would take 55 of these 70 figures - thus our Top 50 results could be ALL figures that I want, though it is not likely as many here have different tastes.

JediTricks
04-01-2008, 06:48 PM
The main villain in the story in one of the most pivotal scenes in the movie isn't interesting?You tell me, how many Palpatine figures are considered successful sellers? None from what I can tell, it's just an old guy in a red dress, and the scene you mention is an old guy in a dress doing crazy wacky over-the-top CGI stunts - thinking about it again, that scene really didn't work for me, I wouldn't want to recreate it with any figures, and I am a little embarrassed I have the first version. Padme in new dresses are generally not good sellers either but you guys keep asking for them, this combines their failure with the failure of being an old guy.


JediTricks' tastes are only expressed by the minority around fan sites like ours and Rebelscum's. He is interested in the mainline action characters mostly, and any improvements they can make on them, like super-articulation of some figure we already have 5 or more versions of already (like Bespin Han or something).

He claims his voice represents the silent majority out there - with tastes similar to the casual customer or kid who wants the main characters and doesn't really remember Rum Sleg, Wioslea, or Nyrat Agira, nor cares about Jocasta Nu.That would be the silent majority that Hasbro says keeps this line selling, the collectors ranging casual to hardcore who make it possible for people like you who want to buy 3 different new versions of Bail Organa, OBGYN droids, Tion Medon's aide Lampa Fay who is mentioned 5 times on Google, 3 of which are the SSG poll about whether or not anybody wants figures like that, the 3rd Queen of Naboo, and so forth. NOBODY is going to buy the Queen of Naboo, the number of people that will buy that is likely in the hundreds, it is an unfulfilling toy in every manner except the scene-completists like you.


The fan sites tend to be the collective hangouts for those who know Bufon Taire and can identify Tahiri Veila. Therefore, the fan sites' majorities are already going to have 5 versions of Han Bespin:

1997 POTF2
1998 MMC
1998 Mynock Hunt
2000 POTJ
2007 Bespin Torture ChairIf you believe 99% of the readers of RS or SSG can tell you who Bufon Taire is or 75% could identify even the name "Tahiri Veila" as being from Star Wars, you're fooling yourself. And if you think ANY of that 90% would actively want the bartender in the Outlander club (I had to look him up), I'll just let Leia's words say it all: "I don't know where you get your delusions, laser-brain!"

BTW, all of those Han Bespin figs are wholly inadequate, the POTJ one is considered the "best" despite having 8-year-old sculpting and articulation that doesn't even fully exceed POTF2 quality. Anybody satiated with Han Bespin at this point simply isn't paying attention and doesn't care how their figures look or what they can do with them - oh wait, that's basically a party of only you.


I did NOT update my Kashyyyk Troops from the repainted Bikerscouts with the current wave either.

I'm not at all sorry that I don't play that game.While the Kashyyyk Trooper is a poor example due to both figures having inadequacies (overall design on the 1st, size on the 2nd), the game you're clearly playing is chess because that's all you want, vague interpretations of characters to put in position with little regard to posing or looks. That's not what most collectors want though, and you know that as we've already gone through this conversation before.



Actually, looking at Rebelscum's current polls where they rank from 1 to 6, JT may not be as far off as you think. There are are a fair amount of people giving figures only a 1 or a 2. The average score for TPM is 3.63, AOTC is 3.74, and ROTS is 3.78. There aren't a lot of figures averaging over a 4.00, which means that even though they may be getting plenty of 5's and 6's, there are some people who have absolutely no interest in them at all.Thanks for pointing that out. In general, my lists have a few of those types of votes too, esoteric figs that I ranked but ranked low. Actually, my ROTS list ranks some esoteric entries pretty high, and my next-to-last entry is a main action character in a main look.



I was working on getting links ready for when I start Phase 2, and it looks like Wookieepedia has been hacked or something. The main page is in Aurebesh, and I clicked on a link for English and ended up at Darthipedia looking at interesting entry on Darth Animal. We got to have a figure of that guy.

I edited out the link since I noticed there was some profanity there. I just laughed the hardest I have in a long time reading some of the stuff there.It's their April Fools joke, stupid April Fools day, I hate it because of this. If you want to search Wookieepedia without all that trauma, search from a results page such as: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bufon_Taire
(I got there via Google)

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-01-2008, 07:30 PM
The first Bail WAS released in 2003, so of course you wouldn't have seen him before that. I don't remember the ROTS one being that big of a pegwarmer, and the re-releases with the baby are damn near impossible to find. If they do him well and don't ship him too heavily, he will sell. Hell, the World's Most Boring Figure, aka the red Naboo Soldier, is one of the two figures from last year's line I still haven't found, and I was dead sure he was going to pegwarm.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-01-2008, 08:01 PM
You tell me, how many Palpatine figures are considered successful sellers? None from what I can tell, it's just an old guy in a red dress, and the scene you mention is an old guy in a dress doing crazy wacky over-the-top CGI stunts - thinking about it again, that scene really didn't work for me, I wouldn't want to recreate it with any figures, and I am a little embarrassed I have the first version. Padme in new dresses are generally not good sellers either but you guys keep asking for them, this combines their failure with the failure of being an old guy.If it was some background old guy or even Sio Bibble, I could understand, but this is the main villain of the story, and there haven't been many good prequel Palpatines. I'd say the AOTC and ROTS Chancellor Palpatine and Evolutions Darth Sidious are the only ones that I would consider good. However, the first two aren't action oriented one, and the latter has too much cloak and doesn't really represent the Yoda duel Palpatine. Obi-Wan was an old guy in ANH, but that is a figure that was essential to have when I was a kid.


Tion Medon's aide Lampa Fay who is mentioned 5 times on Google, 3 of which are the SSG poll about whether or not anybody wants figures like that,If you enter the proper spelling of Lampay Fay, you get over 400 hits. I didn't vote for him either. There aren't really a lot of main characters from ROTS that haven't been done. It's mostly Padmé, a decent version of Palpatine, and a better scaled Grievous. Everything else is Separatists, droids, senators, and barely seen characters.


It's their April Fools joke, stupid April Fools day, I hate it because of this. If you want to search Wookieepedia without all that trauma, search from a results page such as: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bufon_Taire
(I got there via Google)While the front page was in Aurebesh, the search box still worked.

I'm still cracking up about Darth Animal:
Darth Animal, born Animal Goldberg-Fett, was a raging madman from Kashyyyk. Born to a Mandalorian father and a Wookiee mother (which technically made him a Klingon), he was Darth Elmo's main enforcer becouse he Pwnd ultimate due to his unique heritage.

JediTricks
04-01-2008, 08:32 PM
If it was some background old guy or even Sio Bibble, I could understand, but this is the main villain of the story, and there haven't been many good prequel Palpatines. I'd say the AOTC and ROTS Chancellor Palpatine and Evolutions Darth Sidious are the only ones that I would consider good. However, the first two aren't action oriented one, and the latter has too much cloak and doesn't really represent the Yoda duel Palpatine. Obi-Wan was an old guy in ANH, but that is a figure that was essential to have when I was a kid.Ep 1 Sidious is a very good figure, but limited in design. AOTC Chancellor Palpatine is one of the best likenesses this line has ever produced, and yet it pegwarmed HARD at a time when Hasbro had dialed back on figure distribution. ROTS Chancellor Palps is very slight and pinched in the face, not as accurate as AOTC, and the ROTS version for some reason has his chin sucked back. The Evo Sidious I think looks awful, really bad, nothing like the character and that robe is sewn so badly on him it's like a bad elf costume.


If you enter the proper spelling of Lampay Fay, you get over 400 hits.I blame Tycho completely on that Lampay Fay situation. Still, 400 mentions is nothing for a SW character. Bail Organa has 121k, Tion Medon has 29k, Kitster has 17k, even Bail Antilles has 3,900 results and he's relegated to a single mention in TPM and a photo in a sticker book. Dice Ibegon has 1,500 and he's a drooling sock puppet! Friggin' "Hans Solo" has 78k results and he's merely an ignorant misspell!!!


I didn't vote for him either. There aren't really a lot of main characters from ROTS that haven't been done. It's mostly Padmé, a decent version of Palpatine, and a better scaled Grievous. Everything else is Separatists, droids, senators, and barely seen characters.And the hero Jedi with decent robe hood-up designs.


While the front page was in Aurebesh, the search box still worked. Is it? For a while it wasn't for me.


I'm still cracking up about Darth Animal:That was pretty good.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-01-2008, 09:58 PM
AOTC Chancellor Palpatine is one of the best likenesses this line has ever produced, and yet it pegwarmed HARD at a time when Hasbro had dialed back on figure distribution.The figure had no accessories and pretty much stood there, which is about all he did in the movie as well.


ROTS Chancellor Palps is very slight and pinched in the face, not as accurate as AOTC, and the ROTS version for some reason has his chin sucked back.The problem I have is that they gave him ball jointed knees, but you have to take the plastic robe off to be able to utilize this feature. Otherwise, it would be a good figure for that scene. However, once again, this isn't a very action oriented figure. I couldn't get the binders to work on him either.


The Evo Sidious I think looks awful, really bad, nothing like the character and that robe is sewn so badly on him it's like a bad elf costume.
I agree about the robe, but if you can find the figure underneath all that robe, I think it is all right. The head could pass for a Mace duel figure with the grimace on his face.


Is it? For a while it wasn't for me.Actually, I did get some errors, but it was working sometimes. I can't recall how I first saw the Animal page. I thought I clicked on the "English" link, and he was listed as a featured article on the page that came up. When I tried that later, it wasn't there, but I was able to search for his page.

Back to the actual topic of the poll. I'll post a new thread for Phase 2 voting tomorrow morning before I go to work. That will be sometime around 7am Pacific Time.

Tycho
04-01-2008, 10:02 PM
Darth Animal sounds pretty funny. I didn't view that, so I laughed first when MadSlantedPowers posted the description here.

"which basically makes him a Klingon..." hehehe.

JediTricks blames me for something again? What did I do to Lampa Fay? :crazed:

Droid
04-02-2008, 09:29 AM
On ANH's list, the Tonnika Sisters are the biggest problem (if Hasbro just will NOT make them due to licensing lawsuits).

If anyone could point me to any site or resource that confirms this I might agree, but it is speculation to this point. Hasbro has never commented on it, so we should keep asking. If it is legal/licensing issues we are telling them to work it out and make the figures.

bigbarada
04-02-2008, 03:27 PM
If anyone could point me to any site or resource that confirms this I might agree, but it is speculation to this point. Hasbro has never commented on it, so we should keep asking. If it is legal/licensing issues we are telling them to work it out and make the figures.

I really have trouble believing the "legal concerns" with the Tonnika Sisters. Lucasfilm took on Coca-Cola (anyone remember the "Cobot" promotion?) back in the 80s, are you telling me they can't handle two little old ladies from England?

Droid
04-02-2008, 04:33 PM
Very disappointed with the ROTJ results in this poll. None of my top five ROTJ picks even made it to the top five. I'm only voting for Wooof and Cane Adiss because I'm hoping that at least the Gamorrean Guard resculpt (who was #6) will get bumped up, not because I actually want Wooof or Cane Adiss more than a new Gamorrean Guard (or Kithaba).

Which is exactly the problem here. Before we were asked to submit 25 figures from each film. Under those rules, we now have a ranked list of the 25 most desired characters from each film. It would make more sense now to have people submit their Top 25 overall out of the 150 choices of the Top 25 from each film. It is not right to generate a list of 50 figures when maybe I want my 26th most desired A New Hope figure more than any other figure on the list. This FORCES a mix of different films, which is unnecessary if we give Hasbro the list from each movie anyway.

The current system causes people to vote strategically, to get figures they don't want higher on the list so that they have a chance to vote for those figures they most truly want later in the process.

I can understand that if you want to have the first round count for something other than gaterhing a list of nominees that a character who was #3 on the A New Hope list should not be able to be higher in Round #2 than a figure that Ranked #15 on the A New Hope list in Round #1 But that problem already exists. It is possible under this system for a figure that was 2 places behind another figure in Round 1 to outrank that figure this time.

I understand it is fun to have many rounds, but this should not be about fun or strategy, just trying to get the feel for how people rank the figures. I think you have a better chance of more voters if you require people to vote one more time in Round 2, not however many more polls this will take.

Why not set up a poll that ranks the Top 25 out of the 150 nominees and see how it compares to the results this process will create?

And as for the EU, it is apples and oranges to compare the EU and the films.

However, thanks for running these polls - it has been fun. Please view this as friendly advice not angry ranting! :thumbsup:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-02-2008, 04:41 PM
If anyone could point me to any site or resource that confirms this I might agree, but it is speculation to this point. Hasbro has never commented on it, so we should keep asking. If it is legal/licensing issues we are telling them to work it out and make the figures.
At Celebration IV, I talked to a Hasbro guy about this in person, face-to-face, even after they had given a few "no comment" answers in Q&As.

Back in 1977, Lucasfilm didn't get their permission to use their likenesses for licensing reasons, as movies were not big into that at the time. A few years ago, Christine Hewitt (http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/2/2b/Shada_Dukal.jpg) gave her permission and (I think) they were going through the legal motions to set it in stone. After that, Angela Staines (http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/6/61/Karoly_Dulin.jpg) came out and said that that was HER character they were making into a figure, and she wouldn't give permission for some reason. The guy said they'll have to wait until she's dead before they make a figure of either one of them (he jokingly said they should get one of the 501st to take her out . . . at least I think he was joking). Hewitt died last year but Staines is still alive. I really wouldn't expect an answer on any of the Q&A sessions, as we've done it several times and my in-person answer gave much more information.

To add to the confusion, the pictures I linked to are under the wrong names and should be switched. EDIT: Switched Links,

bigbarada
04-02-2008, 04:50 PM
I went back and checked and Wooof was actually my #4 pick, for some reason I thought I ranked Vedain and the Ackbar resculpt higher.:o He started at #5 and got bumped up when Arvel Crynyd got pulled, since he was announced at Toyfair.

But it still stands that I want a Gamorrean resculpt and Kithaba (along with the Y-Wing Pilot) more than Wooof and I want that Gamorrean to get bumped into the top 5 next round.

BTW, I like Droid's idea of picking 25 figures out of a list of 150. This way my final list will more accurately reflect what I actually want and not just be a result of strategic voting.

In fact, if this is the way it's going to be run, then I should just vote for all 5 ROTJ figures until the Gamorrean and Kithaba both get bumped onto the list. Because those are my top two from all six films based on the Round 1 results.

El Chuxter
04-02-2008, 06:11 PM
Eh, it's just a poll. Hasbro will throw the results out and give us some more Shadow Clonetroopers anyway, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. :thumbsup:

JediTricks
04-02-2008, 10:00 PM
I agree about the robe, but if you can find the figure underneath all that robe, I think it is all right. The head could pass for a Mace duel figure with the grimace on his face.I've seen the pictures of the uncloaked figure, that's a huge stretch IMO, it looks nothing like either "angry" version of the character in that scene - pre or post melty.


If anyone could point me to any site or resource that confirms this I might agree, but it is speculation to this point. Hasbro has never commented on it, so we should keep asking. If it is legal/licensing issues we are telling them to work it out and make the figures.All their Q&A answers:
SSG, June 23rd, 2006:
Q: Does Lucasfilm have the rights to the likeness for the Tonnika Sisters (ANH cantina patrons), and if so is there plans to create figures? A: Thanks for the question, but that's not something we can comment on right now.


Sept 28th, 2007:
JediNews.co.uk: With the untimely and sad death of Christine Hewitt will we ever see her immortalised in plastic as one of the Tonnika sisters from 'A New Hope'?There are a lot of people that very much want to see this figure and there were various rumours of Hasbro signing an agreement with her to use her likeness.
Hasbro: we cannot discuss the issue of the Tonnika sisters at all. We, too, are saddened by Ms. Hewitt's passing. It was a real pleasure to talk to her and get to know her at Celebration III. It's a loss for us all.


May 11th, 2007:
Rebelscum.com: Looking back over previous Q&As, there are a couple of figures that were confirmed, but have yet to appear on any rumor list as either basic figures and/or battle packs. Can you tell us whatever happened to Qui-Gon Jinn (first revealed by Yakface), Bothan Spy (first revealed by FFURG), Oola (first hinted at here at Rebelscum), and for the love of Yoda...will we EVER see a Tonnika Sister??
Hasbro: Qui-Gon Jinn and a Bothan will most likely be in the 2008 line, as previously alluded to. However, we have kept 2008 details to a minimum so we have SOME news to talk about as we actually approach that year. ; ) Oola, which was planned for a basic figure repack (not an all-new figure), was replaced in our EpVI wave but has not been forgotten....but she likely won't appear in 2008. We cannot comment on the Tonnika sisters, period.


Oct 27th, 2006:
FFURG.com: When George Lucas had Carrie Fisher and the other stars sign over their likeness for all LFL products, Carrie was quoted as saying that she couldn't look in the mirror without paying George royalties. Yet, when collectors asked about the long-desired Tonnika Sisters, we've gotten the response that there are "complications" with release of the likeness of one or both of the actresses. Does this mean LFL does not own the likeness to every character and actor within the movies? In the case of the TSC Endor Soliders, did Hasbro have to release royalties for John Doe who played "Endor Trooper #15" in ROJ?
Hasbro: We can't/won't comment on these issues.


Sept 29th, 2006:
Rebelscum.com: As a follow-up to several fan/collector questions regarding if and when particular figures will be made and released, are there any figures fans have been asking about that you can confirm will not be made based on current policies? What I mean is, can you say unequivically that the Tonnika sisters simply cannot be made or can you clear the air on these figures and tell us that they can be made but they just don't fit into the line-up at this time? While I specify the Tonnika sisters, I am also curious about any others that fans have asked for that you may know for a fact that (unless there are drastic legal or philosophical changes) the figure won't be made. You mentioned earlier that figures of dead figures/corpses are a hard sell. Does this mean we won't get a dead Owen and Beru Lars two-pack or simply that it would be really difficult to have someone approve these as a toy? If it's the latter, please refer them to George Lucas's own thoughts on this, "YODA: Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them, do not. Miss them, do not. Attachment leads to jealousy. The shadow of greed, that is." In short, Lucas wants us to have our corpse figures.
Hasbro: Hah, that's good Dan. However persuasive your argument is, there is a long, long list of living figures that deserve to be made before we get to figures like the Owen and Beru "x-tra crispy" figures. It's possible that some day these could be accessories to another set, but that would be far down the road and in any case wouldn't be the focus of any offering per se. There are no specific figures that are taboo or off limits, really. As for the Tonnika Sisters, I have no comment whatsoever and can give no more information on them except to say that figure(s) are not in development.
This reeks of "legalese", like a gag order or something ongoing. The writing's on the wall there, they can't even talk about it so there's now way to make progress on it.

JediTricks
04-02-2008, 10:13 PM
I moved the "discussion" posts out of the phase II poll and into this thread.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-02-2008, 10:33 PM
I edited the first post of the poll thread to indicate that the poll will close at 9pm Tuesday, April 8. That will give me time to tally the results and have the next round ready to go the following morning.

At this point, the scores are close and I'm wondering about how to handle a tie-breaker. If there are figures tied for the 5th and final spot, I would say that the one with the most votes would advance. Since these are all top 5 votes, I think it is better to have a figure with more supporters. The problem comes if they have the same number of votes. I'm thinking that in that case, any figures that are still tied would all advance.

Tycho
04-03-2008, 12:03 AM
I like Droid's idea of picking 25 figures out of a list of 150. This way my final list will more accurately reflect what I actually want and not just be a result of strategic voting.

In fact, if this is the way it's going to be run, then I should just vote for all 5 ROTJ figures until the Gamorrean and Kithaba both get bumped onto the list. Because those are my top two from all six films based on the Round 1 results.

Well, you can vote this way. Droid and I have gone around and around in circles over this issue. Perhaps I still don't understand his point of view, but I don't think he understands mine, either. Or he really wants to screw with the system to achieve all OT figure preference results or something.

If 3 of the 5 ROTJ all get voted for, the same OLD TWO and 3 new ones from down ROTJ's list will be eligible next round. Theoretically, the OLD TWO will get voted on as finalists before the next 3 runners up from ROTJ, or those 3 would have beaten the first OLD TWO anyway.

I'll illustrate:

ROTJ:

1. Luke
2. Han
3. Leia
4. Chewie
5. Bib Fortuna

Say EVERYONE votes for Luke, Han, and Leia out of all 7 lists.

In the next round, your ROTJ choices will look like:

1. Chewie
2. Bib Fortuna
3. Darth Vader (new)
4. Wicket (new)
5. Palpatine (new)

Now, Chewie and Bib SHOULD outrank Vader, Wicket, and Palpatine from the original ROTJ list everyone contributed to, but if for some reason everyone votes for Wicket in the next round, the third round will look like:

1. Chewie
2. Bib Fortuna
3. Darth Vader
4. Palpatine
5. General Madine (new)

If you really wanted General Madine, AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES COMPARED TO OTHER FIGURES FROM OTHER MOVIES, he can be voted onto the final list before Chewie, Bib, Vader, Palpatine, etc.

He was actually (in my fake example) the 9th most wanted ROTJ figure because he didn't beat Palpatine (8th in my fake example) when everyone had a chance to vote only on ROTJ figures.

But he got a 2nd chance to beat Palpatine and rank higher on the list because more people either wanted some Expanded Universe, Prequel, or other OT movie figure, and ROTJ's biggest fans got to prioritize Madine higher than the others as they didn't care about Jacen Solo or Ben Quadrinaros, and those that did - and cared more - stopped hanging with ROTJ choices for the time being, and voted for their "other genre" favorites, leaving Madine fans (if there were enough of them) the chance to express their vote.

Meanwhile, if the folks who left in favor of Jacen Solo, didn't amass a large enough support group, Jacen Solo didn't go anywhere, and Madine passes him up, to get on the list. However, IF Jacen Solo has the most merit out of any of the EU choices, he'll get on the Top 50 list - perhaps before Teek, for example - but as a further away priority than ROTJ's General Madine.

So it's completely fair.

And if most here don't like the EU or the PT, those candidates won't place. (Unlikely, but it's expected that ANH and ROTJ's offerings will rank the highest, as that has always been the traditional pattern.)

The only thing I see "using Droid's suggestion" as accomplishing, is eliminating all EU and PT candidates' chances in one fatal swoop. That could still happen, but in this way, the poll is much more fair, and it will entertain us for 10 weeks to gain us a Top 50, rather than immediately ending this effort without further fun and discussion, practically overnight.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-03-2008, 12:40 AM
The only thing I see "using Droid's suggestion" as accomplishing, is eliminating all EU and PT candidates' chances in one fatal swoop. That could still happen, but in this way, the poll is much more fair, and it will entertain us for 10 weeks to gain us a Top 50, rather than immediately ending this effort without further fun and discussion, practically overnight.Or leaving it open for a long time in hopes to get more votes, meaning we wait and wait when the outcome was probably already settled. While leaving each round here open only a week might mean we don't get quite as many votes, we do get some results right away and the rest of the figures still have a chance to get voted on again. It could be that it attracts more voters because it might be easier to just pick 5 from a relatively small list of 35 compared to sorting through 150 or more figures and trying to decide which ones to keep and in what order.

bigbarada
04-03-2008, 12:53 AM
Well, you can vote this way. Droid and I have gone around and around in circles over this issue. Perhaps I still don't understand his point of view, but I don't think he understands mine, either. Or he really wants to screw with the system to achieve all OT figure preference results or something.

If 3 of the 5 ROTJ all get voted for, the same OLD TWO and 3 new ones from down ROTJ's list will be eligible next round. Theoretically, the OLD TWO will get voted on as finalists before the next 3 runners up from ROTJ, or those 3 would have beaten the first OLD TWO anyway.

I'll illustrate:

ROTJ:

1. Luke
2. Han
3. Leia
4. Chewie
5. Bib Fortuna

Say EVERYONE votes for Luke, Han, and Leia out of all 7 lists.

In the next round, your ROTJ choices will look like:

1. Chewie
2. Bib Fortuna
3. Darth Vader (new)
4. Wicket (new)
5. Palpatine (new)

Now, Chewie and Bib should NOT outrank Vader, Wicket, and Palpatine from the original ROTJ list everyone contributed to, but if for some reason everyone votes for Wicket in the next round, the third round will look like:

1. Chewie
2. Bib Fortuna
3. Darth Vader
4. Palpatine
5. General Madine (new)

If you really wanted General Madine, AND EVERYONE ELSE DOES COMPARED TO OTHER FIGURES FROM OTHER MOVIES, he can be voted onto the final list before Chewie, Bib, Vader, Palpatine, etc.

He was actually (in my fake example) the 9th most wanted ROTJ figure because he didn't beat Palpatine (8th in my fake example) when everyone had a chance to vote only on ROTJ figures.

But he got a 2nd chance to beat Palpatine and rank higher on the list because more people either wanted some Expanded Universe, Prequel, or other OT movie figure, and ROTJ's biggest fans got to prioritize Madine higher than the others as they didn't care about Jacen Solo or Ben Quadrinaros, and those that did - and cared more - stopped hanging with ROTJ choices for the time being, and voted for their "other genre" favorites, leaving Madine fans (if there were enough of them) the chance to express their vote.

Meanwhile, if the folks who left in favor of Jacen Solo, didn't amass a large enough support group, Jacen Solo didn't go anywhere, and Madine passes him up, to get on the list. However, IF Jacen Solo has the most merit out of any of the EU choices, he'll get on the Top 50 list - perhaps before Teek, for example - but as a further away priority than ROTJ's General Madine.

So it's completely fair.

And if most here don't like the EU or the PT, those candidates won't place. (Unlikely, but it's expected that ANH and ROTJ's offerings will rank the highest, as that has always been the traditional pattern.)

The only thing I see "using Droid's suggestion" as accomplishing, is eliminating all EU and PT candidates' chances in one fatal swoop. That could still happen, but in this way, the poll is much more fair, and it will entertain us for 10 weeks to gain us a Top 50, rather than immediately ending this effort without further fun and discussion, practically overnight.

Well, my only problem with this method is what if NONE of my top five figures are in the initial top five? It forces me to vote for figures that I don't want as much in hopes that I will eventually get the chance to vote for figures that I really want.

Then, at the end of the day, my want list gets flipped upside down and figures I want the most are ranked at the bottom with no chance to be bumped up to the top of the list.

Sure it might be "fun" and will drag the poll out for weeks and weeks, but if the end results aren't an accurate representation of what we want then what is the point?

Tycho
04-03-2008, 01:19 AM
It should be an accurate representation of what the WHOLE GROUP of us want.

I think those who are complaining cannot think of anyone else's wishes / wants equating to the same importance as their own.

Heck, this contest is more "fair" than the Presidential Election. My first choice has already been eliminated and is not coming back. There, I ultimately only get to pick 1 candidate in the end.

Here, there will be 50 candidates that win, and if the Gamorrean Guard resculpt is your first choice, and not everyone else's, you can still get the GG onto the list if a majority agrees he should be there. So what if he's No. 14 or so when he finally places?

We're going to demand that all 50 be made. After the elimination of characters ranked lower than any genre's Top 25 in the first phase, there are only 175 characters left in the highest demanded groups. Of those, the Gamorrean Guard was in the Top 10 of the ROTJ group. He'll have his shot at placement on the list, and I'd say it's probably almost "a given" that he'll get on there.

Droid
04-03-2008, 10:03 AM
1. I don't see how my method discriminates against the prequel trilogy, unless you are afraid people won't vote for prequel figures. You'll notice three of my top five figures were from the prequels, so I don't see how I get labeled as anti-prequel figures. If people don't want to vote for prequel figures they won't.

2. I don't think the EU charaters should compete against the films. You made a list of EU figures to give Hasbro. I don't think characters you are lucky to get an artist's rendering of should compete against characters of which there are photographs. However, I would relent on this point. If people want to vote for a figure why prevent them with rules?

3. I can see the argument that the first round should count for something. If a figure ranked #15 on the Jedi list it shouldn't outrank the figure that came in #2 on the Jedi list in Round 1. But this method does not stop a figure that ranked #2 on the Jedi list last time from rising above the figure that ranked #1 on the Jedi list.

4. If you have a list of 50 figures, but people were only allowed to submit lists of 25 then every figure below 25 on the overall list might not have been there if we were allowed to submit a list of 50 figures from each film.

5. You will get more voters if you only have one more round.

I think we all understand each other now, though Tycho always insits people who don't agree with him don't understand his genius.

I don't think anything will change so I'll let it go.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-03-2008, 06:55 PM
4. If you have a list of 50 figures, but people were only allowed to submit lists of 25 then every figure below 25 on the overall list might not have been there if we were allowed to submit a list of 50 figures from each film.I'm still not sure if I fully understand or agree with this point. I guess what you are saying is that since we only voted on 25 in the first round, then it could be that a person's overall top 50 might include more than 25 from one movie. However, if we had allowed 50 in each poll, then that would have been even harder for people to list. Some people didn't even list 25 for each movie. If we go the other route and limit our final list to 25, then that isn't a very big list. That's about what is left from the previous most wanted polls. So, if we are going to make a top 50 list, then it is possible that more than 25 from one movie could make it, but not if we limit the voting to the top 25 from each movie. As it is now, it is possible, however unlikely, that all 50 could come from one movie if that is what most people wanted.

I certainly understand some of the frustrations and realize that this isn't a perfect method. This was the best that I could come up with that was a compromise between the original plan Tycho proposed and simply having everybody a single top 50 list from all movies. Tycho's plan was to break it down into 26 groups, and then have the winners compete against each other, and then have a bunch more polls to sort things out. People were confused and it would have gone on until next year some time. Submitting one giant list would have been kind of boring. You submit your list and you're done. This way was a bit more interactive. We had the lists of figures that we looked through in the Phase 1 polls. During the process I learned about a lot of characters I didn't know about before, and I saw things in the movies I had never noticed. Now in Phase 2, we get to see how the figures from each movie do against each other. With a new round each week, it keeps people engaged in the process and see if their choices make the list.

JediTricks
04-03-2008, 07:44 PM
I'd like to see the opening post for these polls have more clear information rather than long paragraphs explaining everything past present and future, and endless examples which remain entirely unclear. It took me a whole day to decide if I felt confident enough to move forward with posting this round in the news because of that opening post, and ultimately I only did because I realized I had less than a week till it went away.

I'd like to also see in this thread a much clearer example - FROM MSP ONLY, no help from the peanut gallery - showing (not explaining) how this voting works from round to round, then we can just link to that post in the next round's opening post.

Anyway, that's my opinion at this point.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-03-2008, 08:56 PM
Well, I thought I had kept it as short and simple as possible. I thought that if I had tried to explain it more it would have become unreadable. I tried to give a little bit of information of where the choices were coming from so that people new to the poll didn't start wondering why so and so isn't one of the choices. Here is a bit of a more concrete example, but unless you explain what you are confused by, it makes it hard for me to explain it better.

Example - The following figures were the top 5 in their respective polls. You will vote for your 5 most wanted from this list of 35.

TPM
Ratts Tyerell
Tey How
Ben Quadinaros
Daultay Dofine
Queen Amidala Return to Naboo

AOTC
Cliegg Lars
Beru Whitesun
Owen Lars
Jocasta Nu
Bariss Offee

ROTS
Utai
General Grievous
FX-6
Breha Organa
Midwife Droid

ANH
Dr. Evazan
Brea Tonnika/Shada D'ukal (blue)
Wioslea
Senni Tonnika/Karoly D'ulin (green)
Bom Vimdin

ESB
Torynn Farr
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Captain Needa
Edian – black Bespin Guard

ROTJ
Wooof
Sim Aloo
BG-J38
Cane Adiss
Sgt. Doallyn

EU
Guri
Jaina Solo
Jacen Solo
Joruus C'baoth
Gilad Pellaeon

Points will be assigned as follows:

1st Place - 5 points
2nd Place - 4 points
3rd Place - 3 points
4th Place - 2 points
5th Place - 1 point

At the conclusion of the poll, the votes will be tallied and the figures with the five highest point totals will make our final list. That will conclude Round 1.

For Round 2, let's assume that Cliegg Lars, Dr. Evazan, Brea Tonnika, Torynn Farr and Guri were the top 5 in Round 1. They will be removed from the list of voting options and in their place will be the figures that are next in line in their respective polls. Thus the choices will look like this:

TPM
Ratts Tyerell
Tey How
Ben Quadinaros
Daultay Dofine
Queen Amidala Return to Naboo

AOTC
Beru Whitesun
Owen Lars
Jocasta Nu
Bariss Offee
Queen Jamilia

ROTS
Utai
General Grievous
FX-6
Breha Organa
Midwife Droid

ANH
Wioslea
Senni Tonnika/Karoly D'ulin (green)
Bom Vimdin
Brainiac
Dice Ibegon

ESB
Luke Medical Frigate
Leia Medical Frigate
Captain Needa
Edian – black Bespin Guard
Han Solo Bespin

ROTJ
Wooof
Sim Aloo
BG-J38
Cane Adiss
Sgt. Doallyn

EU
Jaina Solo
Jacen Solo
Joruus C'baoth
Gilad Pellaeon
Nom Anor

Queen Jamilia, Brainiac, Dice Ibegon, Han Solo Bespin and Nom Anor have been added to the choices because they were next in line in the polls from which the Round 1 winners came.

Round 2 will then proceed just like Round 1 with people selecting their top 5 from the 35 listed choices. The process repeats itself each round.

JediTricks
04-03-2008, 09:26 PM
Might it be easier to just say "Vote for your favorite 5 in order of wanted most-to-least. The top 5 vote-getters from this poll will move on to Phase 3, and the next round will have the next batch of top-ranking figures from Phase 1 rotated into this list"?


As for shortening the opening statement, this is something I've been working on a lot with the Q&A polls so I'll take a stab at it...
Welcome to Phase 2, Round 1 of our Most Wanted Figures Poll

Earlier we conducted a poll for each of the six movies, and a poll for the EU. Now I am going to present you with the top 5 from each of those polls, for a total of 35 choices. From these, you will select and rank the five that you want the most. Don't worry if you can't fit all the figures you want in the top 5. You'll get a chance to vote on other figures in succeeding rounds. Just pick the five you want the most.

The poll will be open for one week. It will close at 9pm Pacific Time, Tuesday April 8. I will then tally the scores, with first place votes receiving 5 points, on down to fifth place votes receiving 1 point. The top five scorers will make our most wanted list. That will conclude Round 1.

In Round 2, the figures that made the list in Round 1 will be replaced with the next figures in line in the polls from which the winners came. For example, if Cliegg Lars, Utai, Dr. Evazan, Torynn Farr and Wooof were the top 5 in the first round, they would be removed from the selections below and be replaced with the 6th place finishers in the AOTC, ROTS, ANH, ESB and ROTJ polls. We would then have an updated list of 35 figures, and you would once again select your five most wanted figures.

When this poll is completed, it will be closed and a new thread will be started for the next round. This way people won't get confused and vote for figures in this first post that may have already made the list. I'll post a link to the next round before I close the thread. Also, feel free to discuss the poll and its results in the discussion thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37357).
Could be expressed as...
Welcome to Phase 2, Round 1 of our Most Wanted Figures Poll.

The votes in Phase 1's polls for each movie and the EU have given us a top ranking for each, and in this round we present the winners from each poll. From this list of 35 potential figures, please post your 5 choices in order from most-wanted down.

This poll will end at 9pm on Wed, April 8th when we move onto Round 2. The top 5 winners in this round will move on to Phase 3, while in the next Phase 2 round those empty slots will be filled by the next runners-up from their original poll results. (Here's an example of Phase 2 in action (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?p=611665#post611665)).

Please post only your votes in this thread, but feel free to discuss the poll in the discussion thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37357).

Remember to select your top 5, in order, from this list:
...
Just an example.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-03-2008, 09:45 PM
I wouldn't mention a Phase 3, because Phase 3 is just giving the results to Hasbro at Comic-Con. Otherwise it looks pretty good.

I noticed you changed the day in your example, but not the date. Are you suggesting to keep it open another day? I originally selected Wednesday as the starting date because I will be traveling on a couple business trips in May and June, and in the past that meant leaving on Thursday morning and returning Tuesday afternoon. As it turns out, I'll only be gone Friday through Sunday, so starting on Thursdays can work for me.

El Chuxter
04-03-2008, 10:02 PM
I am not a peanut.

Tycho
04-03-2008, 11:26 PM
I am not a peanut either!

Additionally, I like and respect Droid, just so there's no confusion on that. I just have some issues about this poll that we were not, and possibly still are not, communicating on. It's not personal, but rather about these polls. But I think one of his latest posts cleared things up much better. Still, I voice my concerns where I think I need to.


1. I don't see how my method discriminates against the prequel trilogy, unless you are afraid people won't vote for prequel figures. You'll notice three of my top five figures were from the prequels, so I don't see how I get labeled as anti-prequel figures. If people don't want to vote for prequel figures they won't.

That was my mistake. Indeed, I was actually surprised by Droid's votes for PT characters this early on. And while I may appear to heavily support AOTC candidates early-on, such will not be the case throughout the whole process. However, I think the Lars family is showing close to universal support amongst the forum members. This is consistent with the results that Kidhuman and I both got in our respective polls 4 years ago.



2. I don't think the EU charaters should compete against the films. You made a list of EU figures to give Hasbro. I don't think characters you are lucky to get an artist's rendering of should compete against characters of which there are photographs. However, I would relent on this point. If people want to vote for a figure why prevent them with rules?

Thank you. We're just letting people vote how they want. The Expanded Universe will fair well or not, dependent entirely on democratic choice. The only reason to exclude them from competing is for the EU haters to say that everyone else shouldn't be able to vote their own way. Further supportive of letting the EU in, is Hasbro including EU in the basic figure waves of the TAC, and not singularly confined to just Wave 5 either. But many EU winners here can be put in comic 2-packs anyway. They might win, but not interfere with regular assortments. The figures from novel-sources (Jaina, Jacen Solo, etc.) have the most fair chance this way, too. Since they could make regular assortments since there would be no comic 2-pack.



3. I can see the argument that the first round should count for something. If a figure ranked #15 on the Jedi list it shouldn't outrank the figure that came in #2 on the Jedi list in Round 1. But this method does not stop a figure that ranked #2 on the Jedi list last time from rising above the figure that ranked #1 on the Jedi list.

This is a legitimate argument. However, if when given the choice amongst all the winning figures, your priority is for figures from ANH, this will then be reflected by the ROTS figures not accumulating that many votes. But if a die-hard ROTS completist wants the No. 5 or so from that list, they can concentrate on voting him on. However, No. 12 on the ROTS list is not likely to bypass No. 1 or even No. 6 from that movie, or they would have already done so in the individual movie polls.

And if there is strategic voting going on - such as BigBarada pushing for ROTJ figures to get the Gamorrean Guard up there to be voted on in the next round - he can only push up the characters that ranked higher than the GG on the ROTJ list - ones that to some degree, we all wanted (else they wouldn't outrank the GG!)

So I think MadSlantedPowers' system really makes sense and works.


I think we all understand each other now, though Tycho always insits people who don't agree with him don't understand his genius.

It is difficult I know. :D

JediTricks
04-04-2008, 12:30 AM
I wouldn't mention a Phase 3, because Phase 3 is just giving the results to Hasbro at Comic-Con. Otherwise it looks pretty good.I thought there had to be a 1-round Phase 3 in order to get a proper order to the list that isn't merely based on timing and sampling anomalies like someone missing round 1 and 2 but voting in round 3, or voting in Ep 1 but not EU.


I noticed you changed the day in your example, but not the date. Are you suggesting to keep it open another day? I originally selected Wednesday as the starting date because I will be traveling on a couple business trips in May and June, and in the past that meant leaving on Thursday morning and returning Tuesday afternoon. As it turns out, I'll only be gone Friday through Sunday, so starting on Thursdays can work for me.I'm suggesting I wrote the wrong day because it was an example. :p


I am not a peanut.


I am not a peanut either!Suuuuuuuuuure you guys aren't, and these responses aren't proving my point. ;)

El Chuxter
04-04-2008, 12:39 AM
Wait, you're right. I just checked, and I am a peanut.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-04-2008, 01:33 AM
I thought there had to be a 1-round Phase 3 in order to get a proper order to the list that isn't merely based on timing and sampling anomalies like someone missing round 1 and 2 but voting in round 3, or voting in Ep 1 but not EU.I'm not sure how that would be done. If we have a top 50 list, should we have people submit their ordering of the top 50? I've been trying to avoid large lists with this method. If they only submit a partial list, then it could mean that some figures don't get votes at all if people are only submitting 10 or something. I think the list should be good enough as it is once they get voted onto it. Phase 1 ranked them within their poll. Phase 2 combines them with the idea that if they didn't rank in the top 5 in their poll, they won't rank in the top 5 overall. Actually no figure will rank better than 4 places higher, such as a #5 figure getting 1st overall. A #6 figure can't compete until round 2 at the earliest so it will finish no better than 6th. If all the top 10 came from one poll, then #11 from that poll could still do no better than 11th.

The way I figured it, we could do a poll a week and have a list of 75 generated a week before Comic-Con.

Tycho
04-04-2008, 03:10 AM
If Chuxter and I are peanuts, then JediTricks is a walnut!

Kidhuman
04-04-2008, 06:13 AM
Wait, you're right. I just checked, and I am a peanut.

A salty one?

El Chuxter
04-04-2008, 08:33 AM
If JT is a walnut, then I am allergic to him.

Droid
04-04-2008, 09:17 AM
Additionally, I like and respect Droid, just so there's no confusion on that. I just have some issues about this poll that we were not, and possibly still are not, communicating on. It's not personal, but rather about these polls. But I think one of his latest posts cleared things up much better. Still, I voice my concerns where I think I need to.

Tycho is one of my favorite people to talk with/bicker with on the forums!

It isn't personal, just business.

Droid
04-04-2008, 09:24 AM
The way I figured it, we could do a poll a week and have a list of 75 generated a week before Comic-Con.

Wait, so it's a list of 75, not 50 now? I think that is way too many. We want to avoid giving Hasbro a list of every figure they could make. I still say a list of 25 gives them a targeted list of our priorities.

Tycho
04-04-2008, 09:48 AM
Now I agree with Droid on something here: that 75 is too many.

A new Top 50 is about right: 10 polls where we select from each group's next-in-line Top 5.

15 polls would be stretching it, IMO, plus there are 7 lists of Top 25's (we did 50 for the EU just to be sure since it's still a huge source, but only 25 really need to be counted).

So 7 x 25 is 175. By prioritizing a Top 75, we're only telling Hasbro which 100 figures "not to make" - at least for the moment. If that's the case, then our 7 Top 25 lists are really enough right there, since they can see what TO make.

By narrowing it down to priorities between the 7 lists that generate a Top 50, we really force the priority figures to be focused on. From that, we get the top 29% of all possibilities.

I also agree with El Chuxter. I think he IS alergic to JediTricks.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-04-2008, 07:21 PM
Wait, so it's a list of 75, not 50 now? I think that is way too many. We want to avoid giving Hasbro a list of every figure they could make. I still say a list of 25 gives them a targeted list of our priorities.

I mentioned it back when we started in the New Giant Scene-by-Scene thread in this post (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=595253&postcount=142). They will already have 175 if we give them 25 from each list. Actually 200 since the EU was a top 50 poll to begin with. The list we generate for Phase 2 is a way to prioritize them and see how one movie compares to another. A top 50 means only an average of 7 from each list. A top 75 means an average of 10 or 11. By the time Comic-Con is done, they might have announced several from our list already.

I won't be at Comic-Con, so what gets presented to Hasbro is out of my hands. I'll have a poll a week through 7/16 and then put all my data together and write something up. JT or whoever is going to present this can decide if they want to edit, replace or add to my comments, or change how it is presented since I have no experience dealing with Hasbro.

JediTricks
04-04-2008, 09:10 PM
I guess we'll have to hope the sampling from Phase 1 is solid enough that Phase 2's results aren't heavily skewed by this. I have a feeling Phase 2's "top 5" is too small to really deal with the full replenishment-to-skew issues, if it were 10 out or 35 or 70 perhaps just to get a broader sampling, but with less than 7 slots per source it's so cutthroat that it'll lead to that strategic voting and such which I feared. Hopefully it's good enough though.

Hey, I just realized, round 2 is going to have to do a better job explaining why most of the same figures are still in the poll.

Tycho
04-04-2008, 10:45 PM
While MadSlantedPowers has pointed out that the Top 5 will REALLY be the top 5, I don't think the priority for the other 45 or 70 figures will be too badly garbled.

Since we're demanding all of them be made anyway, if Guri is No. 6 and Woof No. 7, how does that really matter?

Only where number 51 or 76 are concerned, should anyone care. However, since Hasbro is saying things like Death Star II Luke will be coming out Spring 2009, it is reasonable to assumed that figures will be constantly moving off the list before it is finalized for delivery at Comic Con.

I'd even go so far as to recommend that the list not be given to Hasbro until Saturday at the Con. WHY????

On Friday, Hasbro will do their Fall 2008 / Spring 2009 presentation on Star Wars Day, as they have for the 12 or more years I've attended Comic Con.

We can yank the stuff on our list that's already in production which we didn't know about before.

Therefore, a figure like Death Star II Luke, if he is indeed slated for Spring 2009, might actually have a photo ready, and he can come off the list so another character can be named.

What do you think about Saturday?

Obsession is Nute
04-04-2008, 10:48 PM
To anyone who is interested, I am keeping an updated spreadsheet with all of our scores.

Looks like Cliegg is everyone's favorite galactic gimp, by far. He is in a class of his own, he is in for sure.

I am glad to see my favorite, Guri is leading the next tier! Woo-hoo!

Other than that, I think a lot of other characters are in close competition.

Keep on voting!

"We would never do anything without the approval of the Senate...you assume too much,"

Mad Slanted Powers
04-04-2008, 11:36 PM
To anyone who is interested, I am keeping an updated spreadsheet with all of our scores.

Looks like Cliegg is everyone's favorite galactic gimp, by far. He is in a class of his own, he is in for sure.

I am glad to see my favorite, Guri is leading the next tier! Woo-hoo!

Other than that, I think a lot of other characters are in close competition.

Keep on voting!

"We would never do anything without the approval of the Senate...you assume too much,"I'm the one keeping the score. When I post the final results, let me know if you see any discrepancies between my results and yours. That goes for anyone else who might be keeping tabs on it as well. However, there won't be much time in between rounds. This round will end on Tuesday night and I'll start round 2 Wednesday morning.

Please direct any further discussion into the discussion thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37357). We've been discussing the results and the process for quite a while now so any questions or comments can go there. Welcome to the boards and thanks to you and everyone else who has voted so far. Keep on voting indeed.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-04-2008, 11:39 PM
Hey, I just realized, round 2 is going to have to do a better job explaining why most of the same figures are still in the poll.Agreed. I'll try to explain things better when round 2 starts and link to the example here. We've had a pretty good response so far with 33 voters in two days. The most we had in any of the Phase I polls was 43 over the course of a month. This was what I was hoping for with the shorter lists. The key will be to keep the votes coming in later rounds as well.


While MadSlantedPowers has pointed out that the Top 5 will REALLY be the top 5, I don't think the priority for the other 45 or 70 figures will be too badly garbled.

Since we're demanding all of them be made anyway, if Guri is No. 6 and Woof No. 7, how does that really matter?

Only where number 51 or 76 are concerned, should anyone care. However, since Hasbro is saying things like Death Star II Luke will be coming out Spring 2009, it is reasonable to assumed that figures will be constantly moving off the list before it is finalized for delivery at Comic Con.

I'd even go so far as to recommend that the list not be given to Hasbro until Saturday at the Con. WHY????

On Friday, Hasbro will do their Fall 2008 / Spring 2009 presentation on Star Wars Day, as they have for the 12 or more years I've attended Comic Con.

We can yank the stuff on our list that's already in production which we didn't know about before.

Therefore, a figure like Death Star II Luke, if he is indeed slated for Spring 2009, might actually have a photo ready, and he can come off the list so another character can be named.

What do you think about Saturday?That sounds like a good idea if whoever is presenting the list has a way to edit it on the spot by means other than crossing stuff off and handwriting something new at the bottom.

Based on the answer they gave us, I'm inclined to take DS2 Luke off the list for Phase 2 voting. He could still be listed on the individual movie lists without a rank. Thus I would present the ROTJ list something like this:

1. Wooof
2. Sim Aloo
3. BG-J38
4. Cane Adiss
5. Sgt. Doallyn
6. Gamorrean Guard
7. Slave Leia SA
8. R2-D2 Shield Bunker
* Luke Death Star II
9. Admiral Ackbar
10. Lumat
11. Kithaba
12. Taym Dren-garen
13. Jess
14. Warok
15. Yoda Spirit
16. Paploo
17. Shasa Tiel
18. Nien Nunb
19. Nikto Skiff 2 Vintage
20. TT-8L
21. Geezum
22. Funeral Pyre Vader
23. Wicket
24. Fozec
25. 2nd Weequay

*Figure was announced after the conclusion of the ROTJ poll and was not included in voting for our overall list.

JediTricks
04-04-2008, 11:45 PM
Agreed. I'll try to explain things better when round 2 starts and link to the example here. We've had a pretty good response so far with 33 voters in two days. The most we had in any of the Phase I polls was 43 over the course of a month. This was what I was hoping for with the shorter lists. The key will be to keep the votes coming in later rounds as well.It helps that a certain someone posted it in the SSG news. :D


That sounds like a good idea if whoever is presenting the list has a way to edit it on the spot by means other than crossing stuff off and handwriting something new at the bottom.My one concern is that SW Hasbro got very difficult to peg down last year on Saturday, I missed them that day and then they didn't show up on Sunday at all. I'll try to explain to Derryl early in the show that it's coming though and commit to a quick meet time on Saturday.


Based on the answer they gave us, I'm inclined to take DS2 Luke off the list for Phase 2 voting.Makes sense to me.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-05-2008, 12:03 AM
It helps that a certain someone posted it in the SSG news. :DIndeed, thanks for that. However, weren't the Phase I polls announced as well? That brought in several new people. I think the response wasn't as quick because of the larger lists. Perhaps some people considered voting but put it off until they had more time and never got around to it.

El Chuxter
04-05-2008, 12:16 PM
Looks like Cliegg is everyone's favorite galactic gimp, by far.

Please don't use that term. My father had to have both legs amputated after a car accident about fifteen years ago, and I find that word offensive.

Tycho
04-05-2008, 01:18 PM
The San Diego Convention Center has Wi-Fi. There is a Kinkos on location as well - though I'm not sure they have computers with printer hook-ups. However, there is a Kinkos that does have one just up the street. So an on-location, printed update is possible, though not convenient.

I also have a very small, portable printer with the driver installed in my laptop.

On Friday, since all Hasbro's team will be there for Star Wars day, and I'll basically be hanging out in the one Star Wars room, I might be inclined to carry my laptop with printer in to Comic Con in my backpack, but it is an extra burden. Of course, there might be the option of using JediTricks as my pack-mule. ;)

If Darrel commits to seeing us on Saturday just for a quick meeting, that resolves a lot of inconveniences.

Obsession is Nute
04-05-2008, 03:38 PM
I am amazed to see the support the Lars family is recieving. They would make an interesting 3 pack.

I am not suprised by the enthusiasem that the Tonnika sisters are recieving, though. They always seem to be near the top of the list when I hear people discuss figures they would like to see.

I should have voiced myself at the beggining of the process, but a couple of figures I would like to see redone would be Grevious, making him to scale with the others and with correct cape (I mixed his later cape around with the preview figure which IMO is the best Grevious to date). I would also like to see the IG-100 completely redone. A neat action pose like we saw in the visual dictonaries would be nice. I would want vinyl capes though. I am an ardent vinyl loyalist.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-05-2008, 05:02 PM
I am amazed to see the support the Lars family is recieving. They would make an interesting 3 pack.

I am not suprised by the enthusiasem that the Tonnika sisters are recieving, though. They always seem to be near the top of the list when I hear people discuss figures they would like to see.

I should have voiced myself at the beggining of the process, but a couple of figures I would like to see redone would be Grevious, making him to scale with the others and with correct cape (I mixed his later cape around with the preview figure which IMO is the best Grevious to date). I would also like to see the IG-100 completely redone. A neat action pose like we saw in the visual dictonaries would be nice. I would want vinyl capes though. I am an ardent vinyl loyalist.General Grievous was on the list of choices. While you didn't vote for him in this round, you will have a chance to vote on him again if he doesn't make the top 5 this week. The IG-100 droid finished 16th in our ROTS poll, so it isn't likely he will make it into the Phase 2 voting.

JediTricks
04-06-2008, 06:21 PM
Indeed, thanks for that. However, weren't the Phase I polls announced as well? That brought in several new people. I think the response wasn't as quick because of the larger lists. Perhaps some people considered voting but put it off until they had more time and never got around to it.Phase 1 polls were put in the news a whole week after they were posted, that definitely had an affect. Plus, like you said, with the high number of poll options and long end times, it was not a surprise that they had less immediate returns.


The San Diego Convention Center has Wi-Fi. That's not accurate, there's no center-wide wifi broadcasting. There's paid shoddy wifi in a few useless areas - basically a couple hotspots, it's the same company at CIV, they suuuuucked! There's free wifi in one of the press rooms though, but no printer.


Of course, there might be the option of using JediTricks as my pack-mule. ;)Yeah, this isn't going to happen. I helped lugging Steve's camera and PC stuff last year, it sucked, not going to do that again - I probably won't even bring my own laptop every day. Of course, this year I'll have the car, I can leave your crap in there. :D


If Darrel commits to seeing us on Saturday just for a quick meeting, that resolves a lot of inconveniences.Don't forget to remind me to get him to commit to this.

Tycho
04-06-2008, 10:02 PM
Comic Con: typical interaction with Hasbro -

Wed Preview Night - rush in and head straight to Hasbro to see all the new stuff I can. It's always what I care most about heading into Comic Con. Darrel might or might not be there for Preview Night. I recall seeing him quite often. We spoke at the last Preview Night while I was in line at HasbroToyShop.com (HasbroToyShop.pain.in.the.arse.line) last Preview Night. I remember, because we were mostly talking about my health, as Darrel remembered my situation, if I recall. I was also probably THE ONLY nutty fanboy at Comic Con who was NOT asking him for a Yarna figure. :D

Thursday - I might have swung by Hasbro, but since I was planning to spend the day on Star Wars on Friday, "Star Wars Day," I think I skipped and arrived late, and only to attend the events I was interested in (panels - I don't really shop at Comic Con).

Friday - Star Wars Day - I was mostly in the SW event room. Hasbro did their panel, along with every other SW licensee they had scheduled.

Saturday - I spent the day going to panels. I might have stopped by Hasbro to look at things I liked again (like Grievous' fighter and the ATAP), but I don't recall.

Sunday - I didn't feel like attending and I needed a break.

The thing with Comic Con is that if it were a week-long event, I'd go back to roam around the dealers' room on Monday or Tuesday. I just need "a day off." There's too much to look at in there!

El Chuxter
04-06-2008, 11:34 PM
The Hasbro line is open on preview night? Did they have all the exclusives? I might have to make a point to visit them. I try to snag all the exclusives I can on preview night, but have gotten there very late in the past (and the Hasbro booth wasn't open, so I assumed it wasn't open at all), and some folks don't have them available yet. It saves time to look at stuff and stand in line for panels on the "regular" days.

Tycho
04-07-2008, 12:03 AM
Yeah: last year they were open on Preview Night. It seemed like everyone had the same idea - to get the exclusives then and there. I think they were open longer hours than past preview nights, too. From like 5pm until 9 or 10pm. It used to be from like 5-7:30 or 7-10pm, something like that. Anyway, I got in line as quickly as I could. I actually didn't plan on it, however, another friend of mine recognized me as I walked past and pulled me into the line - close to the front even - along with him. So I figured "why not?"

Generally, the Con exclusives don't interest me. I got excited about the idea behind this year's Holo Emperor Transmission thing, but was less impressed with the execution of it - and that they were getting me to buy ANOTHER of the same Vader figure I already own. I am debating skipping this one.

I would have included Vader's whole meditation chamber, the holopad, and the Emperor's light-up bust.

So what if you would have had to charge more than $20 for that? They'd all sell between the Con and HTS.com.

As it stands, it's not the product I'm interested in, so waiting in any more lines than I have to is something I'd like to avoid.

I'm curious what ArtAsylum / Diamond is doing for Star Trek figure exclusives. Last year I didn't bother and was able to buy them all online, later, so I didn't need to carry them around the Con with me either. I really did NOT end up paying a higher price for them either.

I just don't go to these things to shop.

El Chuxter
04-07-2008, 01:09 AM
Me neither, which is why I like to get everything out of the way on the less-crowded days. Thursday is normally a good day for exclusives. Friday and Saturday are too crowded, and I've found out the hard way that a lot of stuff gets gone before Sunday.

Sunday is the "spend all day long looking at graphic novels now that the dealers have marked then down to half cover price because they don't want to lug them home" extravaganza.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-08-2008, 12:45 AM
Here is what I plan to post when I open the Phase 2 Round 2 thread Wednesday morning


Welcome to Phase 2 Round 2 of our Most Wanted Figures Poll. You will choose the five figures you want the most from the 35 choices offered at the bottom of this post.

If you voted in Phase 2 Round 1 and are wondering, “Hey, what's going on? Didn't we already vote on these?” The answer is yes and no. The choices in Phase 2 Round 1 were the top five from each of the six movie polls and the EU poll. The top five from Phase 2 Round 1 made it to our final list, and five more runners up have taken their place in the list of choices for this round. See <insert link here> for a further demonstration of how this works.

This poll will be open for almost a week, and will close at 9pm Pacific Time on Tuesday, April 15. I will then tally the scores, with first place votes receiving 5 points, on down to fifth place votes receiving 1 point. The top five scorers will make our most wanted list. The rest will be joined by five more runners up and will compete in Phase 2 Round 3 when it begins on Wednesday, April 16.

When this round is completed, the thread will be closed and a new thread will be started for the next round. This way people won't get confused and vote for figures in this first post that may have already made the list. I'll post a link to the next round before I close the thread. Also, let's keep the thread to votes only, but feel free to discuss the poll and its results in the discussion thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37357).

So, without further delay, select and rank your 5 most wanted figures from the following 35 choices:

<Insert Updated Voting List Here>

The link for an explanation will go to a post I'll create at the end of the Phase 2 Round 1 thread. There I will explain how the Phase 2 Round 2 choices result from the Phase 1 and the Phase 2 Round 1 results. That should look like the post I made earlier in this thread.

Tycho
04-09-2008, 12:14 AM
Well, after Round 1, two of my picks made the final list:

Cliegg Lars
Owen Lars

Of those, I had no doubt. Curiously, Beru didn't do as well, but we know she'll make the list, maybe even still in the Top 10. I'm still really surprised that Guri got in there, but she'll make a good figure.

AOTC, ANH, and the EU take the cake on the first round.

In my polling results I got before (EU was not an option then), Beru did better than Owen AND Cliegg. Now that is reversed.

14 figures that have since been made were demanded more than a Tonnika Sister, as it was still questionable as to whether voting for one would ever help. But the figures above one of these cantina ladies were either made as figures already, or are AGAIN being offered at the top of these movie-want-lists (the exceptions being a Rebel Flight Tech and a resculpt of Lightsaber Launching R2D2 who didn't reclaim fan-demand so much this time around)*

Wioslea previously had 13 figures that still haven't been made, all ahead of him in terms of demand. My theory on that is with Herme Odle's excitement that "a large figure" caused, Wioslea increased her demand.


*My theory here is the TAC Rebel Honor Guard took away some of the Flight Tech's thunder for the time being, and R2 is a resculpt afterall.

By the way, WITH REGARDS TO THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE:

Guri took 8 votes to place in the Top 5.

Only 3 figures (below) had as many single votes as Guri did, out of all the others offered:

6. Dr. Evazan.....24 points on 8 votes (3,0,1,2,2)
7. Sim Aloo.....24 points on 6 votes (3,2,0,0,1)
8. Senni Tonnika (green).....22 points on 8 votes (2,1,1,1,3)
9. Cane Adiss.....22 points on 8 votes (2,0,2,2,2)
10. Wooof.....22 points on 7 votes (1,2,2,1,1)

Not even as many people wanted Sim Aloo or Woof as much as Guri (but I did NOT vote for Guri myself). However, we can conclude that including the Expanded Universe is thus appropriate for this exercise, else Guri wouldn't have done so well.

However, recent Q&A with Hasbro suggests that she is either confirmed already, or on the short-list for EU figures. With Xizor coming out with Leia in a comic 2-pack, I'd suspect that Guri would be released with Luke (Tan Vest) in a 2nd SOTE Comic 2-pack. It's the most sensible thing to do. Chewie (as Snoova, appropriate height), a Dash Rendar resculpt, possibly a Lando / Luke trooper disguise 2-pack with better articulation could also be on the horizon. Hasbro also said they wanted to do a Bothan. While Borssk Fey'lya is an excellent choice, Koth Melan is as well. Leebo would make an excellent package with Dash Rendar, so....

Leia / Xizor (already done)
Guri / Luke (Tan Vest)
Luke Trooper / Koth Melan
Dash / Leebo
Chewie / Lando Trooper
Big Gizz / Spiker (Jabba's Swoop Gang)

There were originally 6 issues of the Comic Adaptation of SOTE anyway. This works perfectly. Black Sun / Xizor needs some thugs though. Ah well - you can use random alien figures they already make.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2008, 12:29 AM
Here are the final results of Phase 2 Round 1. The numbers in parentheses are the breakdown of the votes. For example, Cliegg Lars had 3 first place votes, 4 second place votes, 2 third place votes, 3 fourth place votes, and 1 fifth place vote (3, 4, 2, 3, 1). The top 5 make our list of most wanted figures. The rest await another chance to make the list in Phase 2 Round 2.

34 people voted in this round.


1. Cliegg Lars.....44 points on 13 votes (3,4,2,3,1)
2. Guri.....29 points on 8 votes (2,2,3,1,0)
3. Wioslea.....28 points on 10 votes (2,1,2,3,2)
4. Brea Tonnika (blue).....27 points on 10 votes (1,2,1,5,1)
5. Owen Lars (AOTC).....27 points on 8 votes (1,3,2,2,0)
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6. Dr. Evazan.....24 points on 8 votes (3,0,1,2,2)
7. Sim Aloo.....24 points on 6 votes (3,2,0,0,1)
8. Senni Tonnika (green).....22 points on 8 votes (2,1,1,1,3)
9. Cane Adiss.....22 points on 8 votes (2,0,2,2,2)
10. Wooof.....22 points on 7 votes (1,2,2,1,1)
11. Bom Vimdin.....21 points on 6 votes (1,2,2,1,0)
12. Beru Whitesun.....20 points on 8 votes (0,1,4,1,2)
13. Queen Amidala Return to Naboo.....17 points on 6 votes (2,1,0,0,3)
14. General Grievous.....17 points on 5 votes (1,2,0,2,0)
15. Joruus C'baoth.....17 points on 5 votes (1,2,1,0,1)
16. Captain Needa.....16 points on 5 votes (0,2,2,1,0)
17. Luke Medical Frigate.....16 points on 4 votes (2,1,0,1,0)
18. Ratts Tyerell.....14 points on 5 votes (1,0,1,3,0)
19. Torynn Farr.....13 points on 3 votes (2,0,1,0,0)
20t. Tey How.....11 points on 4 votes (1,1,0,0,2)
20t. Leia Medical Frigate.....11 points on 4 votes (1,1,0,0,2)
22. Jocasta Nu.....9 points on 4 votes (0,1,1,0,2)
23. Daultay Dofine.....8 points on 3 votes (0,0,2,1,0)
24. Barriss Offee.....7 points on 4 votes (0,1,0,0,3)
25. Sgt. Doallyn.....7 points on 4 votes (0,0,1,1,2)
26. Breha Organa.....7 points on 2 votes (1,0,0,1,0)
27. FX-6.....6 points on 3 votes (0,0,1,1,1)
28. Jacen Solo.....5 points on 1 vote (1,0,0,0,0)
29t. Utai.....4 points on 1 vote (0,1,0,0,0)
29t. BG-J38.....4 points on 1 vote (0,1,0,0,0)
31. Edian – black Bespin Guard.....3 points on 2 votes (0,0,0,1,1)
32t. Jaina Solo.....3 points on 1 vote (0,0,1,0,0)
32t. Ben Quadinaros.....3 points on 1 vote (0,0,1,0,0)
34t. Midwife Droid.....1 point on 1 vote (0,0,0,0,1)
34t. Gilad Pellaeon.....1 point on 1 vote (0,0,0,0,1)

Every vote certainly counts. The last person that voted pushed Wioslea from 8th into 3rd.

Wooof dominated the ROTJ poll, but struggled early on here. Queen Amidala Return to Naboo started strong, but didn't get much support later on.

The voting was pretty spread out. Each of the 35 figures got at least one vote. Even though Cliegg easily won, less than half of the people voted for him.

Here is the breakdown of how each of the categories fared:

ANH...122 points on 42 votes
AOTC..107 points on 37 votes
ROTJ...79 points on 26 votes
ESB....59 points on 18 votes
EU.....55 points on 16 votes
TPM....53 points on 19 votes
ROTS...35 points on 12 votes

bigbarada
04-09-2008, 12:33 AM
So does this mean that figures 6-34 go back to zero and we start over again next round?

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2008, 12:48 AM
So does this mean that figures 6-34 go back to zero and we start over again next round?Yes, the 30 figures that didn't make the list will be joined by Queen Jamillia, Padmé Yellow Picnic Dress, Brainiac, Dice Ibegon and Nom Anor. Everyone will get a chance to submit their top 5 again. This should be at least a slightly different list for most people as only 3 people didn't have any of their Round 1 choices make the list. However, many picks were close and have a good chance of making it in Round 2. I know you are interested in the ROTJ figures. They finished 7th, 9th and 10th in Round 1. If one of them makes the list in Round 2, then that will move the Gamorrean Guard onto the list for Round 3.

Tycho
04-09-2008, 12:53 AM
That's what I was trying to explain to BigBarada before.

Based on his ranking in ROTJ, the Gamorrean Guard resculpt has an excellent (and very probable) chance of making it into the Top 50 from our efforts here. Since all are being put into demand equally, it won't really matter that the GG isn't in the Top 5. I'd bet he'll make the Top 25 or so.

It doesn't really matter now, as he's going to be amongst the Finalists. So what if the majority said they want Guri from the Expanded Universe more? We're telling Hasbro we want ALL!

Lord Malakite
04-09-2008, 03:38 AM
1. Cliegg Lars.....44 points on 13 votes (3,4,2,3,1)
2. Guri.....29 points on 8 votes (2,2,3,1,0)
3. Wioslea.....28 points on 10 votes (2,1,2,3,2)
4. Brea Tonnika (blue).....27 points on 10 votes (1,2,1,5,1)
5. Owen Lars (AOTC).....27 points on 8 votes (1,3,2,2,0)


I'm satisfied with these 1st round results. Of the 5 that made it 2 of them I voted for (Cliegg & Guri) and another 2 (Brea & Owen) I would have voted on in the next round if they had not made it this round/I had enough openings on my top 5 list.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2008, 09:05 AM
The Phase 2 Round 2 poll is now open here (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=37769).

bigbarada
04-09-2008, 11:40 AM
Dangit!:upset: I'm thinking if I had just put Sim Aloo as my #1 vote, that might have pushed him into the top five for round one. I'm not making that mistake again, I'm just going to continue to vote for the entire ROTJ list in the order that they rank from the previous round and see what that does to manipulate this poll.

I'd like a Dr. Evazan figure more than any of the 5 that I voted for in round 2, but I want a new Gamorrean (and Kithaba) more than Dr. Evazan. So getting that fat pig onto the list takes priority over voting for the figures that I want.

I'm going to keep this up until the Gam. Guard and Kithaba make it onto the list.

Tycho
04-09-2008, 12:22 PM
I'm going to keep this up until the Gam. Guard and Kithaba make it onto the list.

That's your choice. I see what JediTricks warned us about strategic voting, but everybody can do what they want.

Here's how I decide what to vote for:

1) Can I NEVER complete the scene without this character?

I want Woof, too. But my Jabba's Palace Diorama won't miss him like it'd miss not having Jabba or Luke for example. So I HAVE to have that Purple Dress Return To Naboo Queen Amidala.

2) Does the scene I want to finish have a lot of other characters I want to display?

When can you use Peasant Disguise Anakin's figure? Not many scenes - the freighter and the report to the Queen. So I need Jamilla.

3) Is the scene important to recreate?

The midwife droid helps with the birth of Luke and Leia. Uh. That's kind of important. Bail, Yoda, Obi-Wan, Padme, and the Droids are also in the scene, as well as it's one of the only opportunities to display any Polis Masan figures.

4) Will I buy a lot of this figure and get much use out of Hasbro making it?

With the exception of the Expanded Universe's Yuuzhan Vong (I'd take 15 generic warriors to fight Luke and a possible Jacen Solo figure), I'm done army building.

But if they make the Saurin from Mos Eisley, I could take on like 5 of him to spread around to fill out my alien populations in different displays.

5) Will this figure make the centerpiece for an all-new scene?

I want Luke and Leia from the Medical Frigate, but I don't really need to recreate that scene, and get the extra droids, unless and until Hasbro makes these figures. So while I want them, I'm not going to lend them the highest priority, but I'll probably be voting for them eventually.

6) Will the figure be an impressive, artisticaly challenging sculpt?

Wioslea is not necessary, and I'd only buy 1 figure of her, but she'll be very impressive. I'd probably have voted for her if she hadn't already become a finalist - but just not high on my list of priorities.

Anyway, the above is my 6-step scientific method for voting in these polls. It was conceived of and tested by a genius. Of that I can assure you :D

bigbarada
04-09-2008, 12:39 PM
That's your choice. I see what JediTricks warned us about strategic voting, but everybody can do what they want.

Well, this will be something for you guys to take into account when you do another one of these polls. So, I'm helping you debug your poll so you can keep improving upon it.lol


Well - since none of my top 5 made into the last top 5 - we'll try again (although it looks like none of them will make it this time either....)

This is another problem, what if this keeps happening to people? If someone goes 2 or 3 rounds without any of their top 5 making into the next round, then what? Aren't they just going to get frustrated and give up on the poll completely?

This is a completely voluntary poll, so I understand the need to make it fun; but it also needs to get results. If people feel that their votes don't count because of some arbitrary rules, then they're going to quit. Doing this for the "good of the Star Wars collecting community" will only go so far.

Droid
04-09-2008, 01:54 PM
This is another problem, what if this keeps happening to people? If someone goes 2 or 3 rounds without any of their top 5 making into the next round, then what? Aren't they just going to get frustrated and give up on the poll completely?

I completely agree with this problem. If no one you vote for ever makes it then you basically aren't voting. If instead you said, "These are our finalists. Rank them." then you are making sure you know each voters feelings on each figure.

Tycho
04-09-2008, 01:57 PM
BigBarada has very legitimate concerns. I can only offer my answers, but that doesn't make me RIGHT. They are just my answers.

On that note, neither myself NOR BigBarada is "right." We just have legitimate opinions.

So I'm just stating mine because this is a discussion.


Well, this will be something for you guys to take into account when you do another one of these polls. So, I'm helping you debug your poll so you can keep improving upon it.lol

I'm not sure how you "debug it further." I think I know what you would suggest: only 1 more poll, making a list of folks' Top 50 or so, from the individual movie winners, right?

Some people would use that to simplify things by say, just voting for ROTJ characters (up to 25 of them anyway), but I'd still be using my "system" (posted above) to determine my votes based on my priorities. But everyone else will vote their own way.

MadSlantedPowers is right though: taking 50 or so out of the best 175 is a difficult exercise that is not quite as much fun.



This is another problem, what if this keeps happening to people? If someone goes 2 or 3 rounds without any of their top 5 making into the next round, then what? Aren't they just going to get frustrated and give up on the poll completely?

Very good point. I'd say the chances of that are slim because it took ALL of us to get the figures on each of the Top 25 lists we are dealing with now. Chances are, there is at least one figure everyone wants somewhere on each of the lists (for the most part). I haven't voted for ANY OT source figures yet, but I have definite plans to.

As I noted before, it doesn't matter if your most-wanted pick makes the list by No. 49. We're demanding all be made by Hasbro. Padme Black Leather Temptation was No. 50 on the last poll (TAC Wave 8, 2007). So they can get made. Biggs Darklighter in Academy Digs was No. 44, btw (TAC Wave 3, 2007). So honestly, I wouldn't be concerned if your favorite doesn't make the Top 10, though we will celebrate those figure choices and publicize them to Hasbro. But the Lars (Cliegg and Beru) as well as Tey How were in our Top 10 the last time. They still aren't made, and of course are popping up here in these polling results already - and Cliegg's showing is VERY impressive!


This is a completely voluntary poll, so I understand the need to make it fun; but it also needs to get results. If people feel that their votes don't count because of some arbitrary rules, then they're going to quit. Doing this for the "good of the Star Wars collecting community" will only go so far.

The best thing everyone can do is be very positive and not complain about it, whining about one particular figure or another. They'll probably make the list - just be patient. MSP's polling process is slower than mine for turn-around in the thread. We had about 20 or so regular voters back then, and as soon as I got them recorded, I put up the next group to vote on. It kept the speed seemingly moving. In actuality, since there were MORE polls than in MSP's method, it just seemed to work this way. But my method would actually take a whole year to complete the process while MSP is going to be done in 10-15 weeks (I only think he should spend 10 on doing a Top 50, but that's my opinion and it's his poll).

Just the same, it should be more fun than just tallying up a one time deal.

We can do that as well, after the fact - like Kidhuman did when I was finishing my poll. And guess what? We got 36 / 50 of the exact same results which also led to Hasbro being more interested in our work.

BigBarada is also right about people's patience spans though. I think Kidhuman had about 50% more participanting in his poll than I did with mine. But again, the results came out largely the same. That was cool!

AND THIS TIME, THE RESULTS ARE COMING OUT VERY CLOSE TO THE SAME AS WELL.

That really tells me that Hasbro needs to wake up and see that Cliegg Lars was dunked in their coffees! I am SO NOT KIDDING!

But most of the other results are matching, too. - Just about 50% of the figures we voted for last time have already been made now. 2006 and 2007 were pretty good years for that.

Gothiczartan
04-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Here are the results for the Return of the Jedi poll. I've saved it to http://idisk.mac.com/madslantedpowers-Public. The file was created in an Open Office program for the Mac called NeoOffice, but I saved it as an Excel file.

There were 43 voters in this poll, which equals the amount from the ESB poll.

Wooof was a clear winner here, with the others in the top 5 closely bunched well behind him.

So, just one more poll to complete. You have a week to get in your votes for the ROTS thread if you haven't already.

1. Wooof.....565 points (33 votes)
2. Sim Aloo.....387 points (26 votes)
3. BG-J38.....378 points (26 votes)
4. Cane Adiss.....376 points (21 votes)
5. Sgt. Doallyn.....374 points (23 votes)
6. Gamorrean Guard.....345 points (22 votes)
7. Slave Leia SA.....339 points (19 votes)
8. R2-D2 Shield Bunker.....322 points (21 votes)
9. Luke Death Star II.....321 points (20 votes)
10. Admiral Ackbar.....311 points (20 votes)
11. Lumat.....299 points (23 votes)
12. Kithaba.....278 points (21 votes)
13. Taym Dren-garen.....269 points (18 votes)
14. Jess.....260 points (17 votes)
15. Warok.....250 points (20 votes)
16. Yoda Spirit.....246 points (15 votes)
17. Paploo.....245 points (17 votes)
18. Shasa Tiel.....241 points (16 votes)
19. Nien Nunb.....234 points (17 votes)
20. Nikto Skiff 2 Vintage.....225 points (13 votes)
21. TT-8L.....217 points (15 votes)
22. Geezum.....208 points (15 votes)
23. Funeral Pyre Vader.....199 points (11 votes)
24. Wicket.....191 points (11 votes)
25. Fozec.....188 points (11 votes)
26. 2nd Weequay.....181 points (12 votes)
27. Worrt.....178 points (16 votes)
28. Nik Sant.....168 points (14 votes)
29. Lando Endor.....165 points (11 votes)
30. Oola.....160 points (10 votes)
31. Vedain.....157 points (12 votes)
32. Attark.....156 points (12 votes)
33. Laudica.....155 points (10 votes)
34. Yoxgit.....146 points (11 votes)
35. Loje Nella.....142 points (8 votes)
36. Giran.....129 points (11 votes)
37. Grizz Frix.....122 points (12 votes)
38. Weequay.....120 points (8 votes)
39. Rabin.....113 points (11 votes)
40. Dresselian Rebel.....107 points (9 votes)
41. Horton Salm.....102 points (8 votes)
42. Gauron Nas Tal.....97 points (7 votes)
43t. Velken Tezeri.....93 points (8 votes)
43t. Shaw Spirit Anakin.....93 points (4 votes)
45t. Kazak.....91 points (9 votes)
45t. Wam Lufba.....91 points (6 votes)
47. R2-D2 Launching Lightsaber.....89 points (7 votes)
48. Nysad.....88 points (7 votes)
49. Lt. Telsij.....85 points (7 votes)
50. Wuta.....84 points (10 votes)
51. White R5.....83 points (7 votes)
52. Sy Snootles.....74 points (4 votes)
53. Emperor Palpatine.....72 points (4 votes)
54. Y-Wing Pilot “I'm Hit”.....67 points (6 votes)
55. Ten Numb.....66 points (7 votes)
56. Human B-wing pilot.....65 points (7 votes)
57t. Mon Mothma.....62 points (5 votes)
57t. Tortured 2-1B.....62 points (4 votes)
59. Saelt Marae.....60 points (5 votes)
60t. Walex Blissex.....57 points (4 votes)
60t. Han Carbonite.....57 points (4 votes)
62t. Lathe.....55 points (5 votes)
62t. Mother Ewok & wokling.....55 points (4 votes)
64. Ree Yees.....53 points (3 votes)
65. Yotts Orren.....52 points (3 votes)
66t. Karie Neth.....51 points (4 votes)
66t. Gailid.....51 points (4 votes)
68t. Red R3.....50 points (5 votes)
68t. Jabba the Hutt.....50 points (2 votes)
70. Harc Seff.....48 points (3 votes)
71t. Rebel tech - brown uniform.....45 points (5 votes)
71t. Lt. Endicott.....45 points (4 votes)
73t. EV-9D9.....42 points (4 votes)
73t. Logray.....42 points (2 votes)
75. Beedo.....41 points (3 votes)
76. Barada.....40 points (2 votes)
77. Commander Igar.....34 points (4 votes)
78t. Nizuc Bek.....31 points (3 votes)
78t. Pucumir Thryss.....31 points (2 votes)
80. Herot.....30 points (2 votes)
81. Princess Leia Sandstorm.....29 points (2 votes)
82t. Arvel Crynyd.....24 points (2 votes)
82t. Amanaman.....24 points (1 vote)
82t. Mon Calamari officer.....24 points (1 vote)
82t. Emperor's Wrath Luke.....24 points (1 vote)
86t. Lumat Vintage.....22 points (1 vote)
86t. Neb Dulo.....22 points (1 vote)
86t. Hayden Spirit Anakin blue.....22 points (1 vote)
89. Rennek.....21 points (3 votes)
90t. Teebo.....20 points (1 vote)
90t. Soth Petikkin.....20 points (1 vote)
90t. Obi-Wan Spirit.....20 points (1 vote)
93t. Orrimaarko.....19 points (2 votes)
93t. Sic-Six.....19 points (1 vote)
93t. Boba Fett.....19 points (1 vote)
96. Ghoel.....18 points (1 vote)
97t. Tessek.....17 points (1 vote)
97t. Imperials in blue uniforms.....17 points (1 vote)
97t. Sail Barge Weequay.....17 points (1 vote)
97t. AV-6R7.....17 points (1 vote)
101t. Vul Tazaene.....16 points (3 votes)
101t. Stormtrooper Shot.....16 points (1 vote)
101t. Rystall.....16 points (1 vote)
104t. Rayc Ryjerd.....15 points (3 votes)
104t. Adron Crell.....15 points (3 votes)
104t. Jake Farrell.....15 points (2 votes)
104t. Rebel Commando.....15 points (1 vote)
104t. Imperial Dignitary Tall Hat.....15 points (1 vote)
104t. Lyn-Me.....15 points (1 vote)
110t. Keir Santage.....14 points (2 votes)
110t. Keoulkeech.....14 points (1 vote)
112t. Jerjerrod.....13 points (1 vote)
112t. Bib Fortuna.....13 points (1 vote)
114t. Olander Brit.....12 points (2 votes)
114t. Royal Guard.....12 points (1 vote)
116. Giant Mouse Droid.....11 points (3 votes)
117. Bron Burs.....9 points (1 vote)
118. Rock Wart.....8 points (1 vote)
119. Han Solo Bunker.....8 points (1 vote)
120t. Lieutenant Endcott.....4 points (1 vote)
120t. Rebel tech with trooper helmet.....4 points (1 vote)
122. Captain Yorr.....1 points (1 vote)

after all these will be made into figures, what would be left of unmade figures? can you list them? I got my list of not yet made figures on me.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2008, 07:31 PM
As I've said before, this is certainly not a perfect method. Ideally, everyone would vote for what they want, but strategy voting is a weakness for this method.

I can understand that there could be some frustration when the figures you want don't make it. However, if all of the top 5 of each poll make the top 50 list, it will take at least 7 weeks for all of them to get on there. There would then be 15 spots or less to fill the top 50, which would be only 3 more rounds at most. It may seem unfair that you won't get a chance to vote for one of your favorites that finished a little further down the list, but if it finished that low in an individual poll, it likely wouldn't do much better in an overall poll with many of the same people voting.

That being said, I don't have a problem with trying the alternate method. Once the top 50 is filled, there will be 5 weeks in which we could open it up to voting for your top 25 out of 175 and see how the lists compare. If you've been voting in most of the Phase 1 polls, it probably won't be quite as hard as I had imagined, because you can just pull the figures from the top of those lists in the order you want.

I'll probably still try for 15 rounds here if there is still enough of a response at that point.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2008, 07:37 PM
after all these will be made into figures, what would be left of unmade figures? can you list them? I got my list of not yet made figures on me.The Wookieepedia page for each movie is pretty complete. That's what I used to add to the original list that Tycho had from his previous scene-by-scene poll. I doubt we'll ever see all of those made, so I don't think we have to worry about running out of options any time soon. Plus, there are several resculpts that are needed as well.

Gothiczartan
04-09-2008, 07:46 PM
I vote on what you have listed?

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2008, 07:53 PM
I vote on what you have listed?
No voting in this thread. Just follow the link I listed in my previous post, or find the thread called "Most Wanted New Figure Poll - Phase 2, Round 2". You can select only 5 of the 35 figures listed there.

Sinscia Fat'o
04-10-2008, 04:33 PM
Dangit!:upset: I'm thinking if I had just put Sim Aloo as my #1 vote, that might have pushed him into the top five for round one. I'm not making that mistake again, I'm just going to continue to vote for the entire ROTJ list in the order that they rank from the previous round and see what that does to manipulate this poll.

I'd like a Dr. Evazan figure more than any of the 5 that I voted for in round 2, but I want a new Gamorrean (and Kithaba) more than Dr. Evazan. So getting that fat pig onto the list takes priority over voting for the figures that I want.

I'm going to keep this up until the Gam. Guard and Kithaba make it onto the list.

while i feel ya because only one of my five made it being Guri, i think voting for what you want is the best play in something like this. If you want the Gamorean Guard and you vote for it, you actually have intrest in buying out bloated green favorites, i don't see how that's mannipulating the voting system... though i don't feel like i've went unheard or anything i just think that adding EU with movie figures is going the way we all figured it would...

Mad Slanted Powers
04-10-2008, 07:09 PM
I've tried to keep my voting consistent with what I voted in the individual polls. What I've been doing is listing my Phase 1 votes next to each other and then highlighting which ones are available to vote on. In some polls like ANH, ROTS and ROTJ, my top 5 haven't become eligible yet. Cliegg Lars, Torynn Farr and Amidala Return to Naboo were the only #1's I have had a chance to vote on yet. Torynn and the ESB figures don't rank as well for me compared to the choices for ANH, TPM, AOTC and EU.

Looking back at the EU, I'm not sure why I ranked Jaina and Jacen as low. Probably because I haven't yet read the Young Jedi or NJO books. So, I definitely want them, but I'll vote for them later. I figure they are ones Hasbro will be getting to anyway.

I had Daultay Dofine ahead of Tey How in the TPM poll, but I've been voting for Tey How instead during this phase. Her character is a bit different from the other Neimoidians.

JediTricks
04-10-2008, 11:52 PM
I'm not opposed to the "skim the cream off the top" system here right now, it's not ideal overall, but with the data we had at hand it's a good use of what we've got.

That said, if I had seen phase 2 in action before it went up, I would have posted what I believe I typed up and deleted... top 70 list, voters get to choose 10, skim from those results the top 5 (unless the results had over 50 voters, then probably skim the top 7). It's just a bigger cross-section of options since we don't have a bigger cross-section of voters, and it feels like more is being accomplished (plus, a poll with 10 options under each movie instead of 5 would look better).

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2008, 12:39 AM
I'm not opposed to the "skim the cream off the top" system here right now, it's not ideal overall, but with the data we had at hand it's a good use of what we've got.

That said, if I had seen phase 2 in action before it went up, I would have posted what I believe I typed up and deleted... top 70 list, voters get to choose 10, skim from those results the top 5 (unless the results had over 50 voters, then probably skim the top 7). It's just a bigger cross-section of options since we don't have a bigger cross-section of voters, and it feels like more is being accomplished (plus, a poll with 10 options under each movie instead of 5 would look better).That was actually something I considered, and it might be a better option. However, if we were choosing 10 from 70, then I would probably have 10 make the list each round. I guess I passed on the idea because I was trying to keep the list of choices down to make it easier for people to vote. There was also the possibility that a figure that was 10th in a Phase 1 poll could jump up to the top 5 overall. Instead I was hoping to just merge the lists together in a way that would accurately reflect both the Phase 1 rankings and how the figures from each poll rank against each other.

JediTricks
04-11-2008, 01:10 AM
I don't think we can be so slavish to phase 1, we have to recognize that while a helpful tool, it is not the ultimate in accurate and final data, so it wouldn't worry me that there might be some dark horse candidates, that's what mixing the movies together as 1 saga voting system may give, it changes the conditions to better reflect what the list is stating it's doing.

As for 10 from each poll, I wouldn't go for that unless there were at least 70 voters and each poll was open 2 or 3 weeks. 10 from 1 week seems too quick and too reflective of a small sampling of voters. 7 I felt had the advantage of being both between 5 and 10, and giving the possibility of 1 winner from each round in phase 1 (though the odds of that actually happening are very poor), it has a sense of poetic justice to it.

All just my opinion of course.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2008, 01:21 AM
I don't think we can be so slavish to phase 1, we have to recognize that while a helpful tool, it is not the ultimate in accurate and final data, so it wouldn't worry me that there might be some dark horse candidates, that's what mixing the movies together as 1 saga voting system may give, it changes the conditions to better reflect what the list is stating it's doing.

As for 10 from each poll, I wouldn't go for that unless there were at least 70 voters and each poll was open 2 or 3 weeks. 10 from 1 week seems too quick and too reflective of a small sampling of voters. 7 I felt had the advantage of being both between 5 and 10, and giving the possibility of 1 winner from each round in phase 1 (though the odds of that actually happening are very poor), it has a sense of poetic justice to it.

All just my opinion of course.Yes, if we took 10 at a time, we could have left each round open twice as long and still got 50 figures in 10 weeks.

JediTricks
04-11-2008, 01:34 AM
I know, but we wouldn't get a significantly bigger draw of voters out of it, I'm looking for a 100% increase but the reality is that it'd be more like a 20% increase in that second week. That's the thing I'm always thinking about, how to get a more solid cross-section out of the limited number of responses we do get. So for me, that means more rounds with slightly less skimming per round.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-15-2008, 11:22 PM
Here are the final results of Phase 2 Round 2. Once again, the numbers in parentheses refer to how many of each vote (1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th). The top 5 make our most wanted list while the rest go back into the mix for Phase 2 Round 3.

Those last two votes today put Bom Vimdin on top, and moved Wooof in front of Dr. Evazan and Queen Amidala for the 5th spot.

Last round everyone got at least one vote. This round, Gilad Pellaeon and Padmé Yellow Picnic Dress from AOTC didn't get a vote.

There were 31 voters in this round compared to 34 in Round 1. There were a few voters in this round that didn't vote last round. I think most of the ones from Round 1 that didn't vote this round are not regular visitors to the site.

1. Bom Vimdin.....33 points on 11 votes (3,1,1,5,1)
2. Beru Whitesun (AOTC).....32 points on 9 votes (3,3,0,2,1)
3. Sim Aloo.....31 points on 7 votes (5,1,0,1,0)
4. Senni Tonnika (green).....28 points on 9 votes (2,0,4,3,0)
5. Wooof.....26 points on 11 votes (0,2,3,3,3)

6. Dr. Evazan.....23 points on 7 votes (2,1,2,1,1)
7. Queen Amidala Return to Naboo.....23 points on 6 votes (4,0,0,1,1)
8. General Grievous.....22 points on 6 votes (1,3,1,1,0)
9. Cane Adiss.....21 points on 6 votes (2,2,0,1,1)
10. Brainiac.....19 points on 7 votes (0,2,3,0,2)
11. FX-6.....18 points on 7 votes (1,1,2,0,3)
12. Dice Ibegon.....17 points on 6 votes (0,2,2,1,1)
13. Tey How.....17 points on 5 votes (1,2,1,0,1)
14. Leia Medical Frigate.....15 points on 4 votes (2,0,1,1,0)
15. Jocasta Nu.....14 points on 6 votes (0,2,1,0,3)
16. Torynn Farr.....14 points on 4 votes (1,1,1,1,0)
17. Luke Medical Frigate.....13 points on 5 votes (1,1,0,1,2)
18. Sgt. Doallyn.....12 points on 7 votes (0,0,1,3,3)
19. Joruus C'Baoth.....11 points on 3 votes (0,2,1,0,0)
20. Ratts Tyerell.....10 points on 3 votes (0,1,2,0,0)
21. BG-J38.....9 points on 4 votes (1,0,0,1,2)
22. Nom Anor.....9 points on 3 votes (1,0,1,0,1)
23. Barriss Offee.....9 points on 3 votes (0,1,1,1,0)
24. Daultay Dofine.....7 points on 2 votes (0,1,1,0,0)
25. Captain Needa.....6 points on 3 votes (0,0,1,1,1)
26. Jacen Solo.....5 points on 1 vote (1,0,0,0,0)
27. Edian – black Bespin Guard.....4 points on 3 votes (0,0,0,1,2)
28. Queen Jamillia.....4 points on 2 votes (0,0,0,2,0)
29t. Utai.....4 points on 1 vote (0,1,0,0,0)
29t. Jaina Solo.....4 points on 1 vote (0,1,0,0,0)
31. Ben Quadinaros.....3 points on 1 vote (0,0,1,0,0)
32t. Midwife Droid.....1 point on 1 vote (0,0,0,0,1)
32t. Breha Organa.....1 point on 1 vote (0,0,0,0,1)

Here is the breakdown of how each of the categories fared:

ANH...123 points on 41 votes
ROTJ..100 points on 36 votes
TPM....60 points on 17 votes
AOTC...59 points on 20 votes
ESB....49 points on 18 votes
ROTS...45 points on 15 votes
EU.....29 points on 8 votes

Tycho
04-15-2008, 11:29 PM
Well, now with Phase II over and ROTJ on the Top 10 chart with Wooof and Sim Aloo, BigBarada can vote for a Gamorrean resculpt until his heart is content (and a SA Slave Leia figure, too).

I won't be joining him, though. But everyone's welcome to their own tastes. I just think that now people will have more faith in how this poll is being conducted and see that it's being run fairly, and most intelligently. Kudos to MadSlantedPowers for seeing it through.

Meanwhile, ANH is smoking hot with 4 of the Top 10 coming from that source.

Actually:

4 ANH
3 AOTC
2 ROTJ
1 Exp. Univ.

TPM and ROTS could place next, judging by the latest results. ESB is trailing a little behind, but I have no doubt that some from Ep.5 should make the final cut.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-15-2008, 11:53 PM
Well, now with Phase II over and ROTJ on the Top 10 chart with Wooof and Sim Aloo, BigBarada can vote for a Gamorrean resculpt until his heart is content (and a SA Slave Leia figure, too).

It's a good thing you mentioned that. I had copied the top 25 from each poll into a single spreadsheet so that I could easily see who is next for the polls. I must have posted an early ROTJ list and not updated it because I had shield bunker R2 next instead of Leia.

I might have been editing my post while you were making yours. I put a breakdown of how many votes and points each section got.

Round 3 will see the addition of Uncle Owen and the WED-15-ST68 Septoid droid from ANH, Senator Amidala Palpatine's Office from AOTC, and the Gamorrean and a Slave Leia SA from ROTJ.

Our Most Wanted Figure List now has ten members. Tomorrow morning Round 3 will start so we can determine the next five to add to the list:

1. Cliegg Lars (AOTC)
2. Guri (EU)
3. Wioslea (ANH)
4. Brea Tonnika (ANH)
5. Owen Lars (AOTC)
6. Bom Vimdin (ANH)
7. Beru Whitesun (AOTC)
8. Sim Aloo (ROTJ)
9. Senni Tonnika (ANH)
10. Wooof (ROTJ)
11. ?
12. ?
13. ?
14. ?
15. ?

sebillba
04-16-2008, 01:00 AM
Really pleased to see Bom come out on top this week, especially as he only ranked #11 last week. :D:D:D In fact, 3 of my choices made the cut, so I'm very happy. :thumbsup:

Though I'm surprised I'm the only person voting for the Utai, seeing as they came out on top in the ROTS round. I guess a lot of people want them, just not enough to make their top 5 most wanted. They're now my #1 choice..... almost seems like a wasted vote at this stage, but I'll keep plugging for them.

It's also good to see all three of the Lars family make the Top 10 - I could never understand why Owen fared so badly in Tycho's poll (which I missed at the time).... Cliegg and Beru both made the Top 5, yet Owen didn't even get in the Top 20! :confused:

Hopefully Evazan or Brainiac will get through in the next round, then I can start voting for my next most wanted.... the Saurins!!

Cane_Adiss
04-16-2008, 09:04 AM
I'm most excited for the Cantina/Jabba's palace characters and Guri. The others...not so much. Though I think it's a nice balance of collector-oriented characters so far.

I just wish the Mon Calamari Dancer had placed higher in the initial ROTS poll. She wasn't even listed on MSP's list so people probably didn't even remember her. I will keep voting Cane Adiss, Dice Ibegon and BG-J38!

Droid
04-16-2008, 09:48 AM
I will not be voting strategically, though I have some theories on how to do so.

Though I have been critical of the process, I personally am pleased with the results so far. All seven of my seven most wanted figures from the entire line are in the Top Ten. In fact the only two of the top ten that aren't in my personal top twenty list are Guri and Wioslea. But Wioslea is my third most wanted non-cantina figure from A New Hope (if people can follow that).

I also think it is cool that aren't any resculpts on the list yet. Though I really want figures like Evazan, ANH Uncle Owen, Slave Leia and the Gamorrean Guard resculpted, I will probably continue to vote for never before made figures until we are much further down on the list.

I suspect that the figures I will vote for in Round 3 likely won't make the list for a few rounds yet.

pegger
04-16-2008, 09:51 AM
I will not be voting strategically, though I have some theories on how to do so.


I don't either - when I picked my top 5 - I felt they were important figures to have. However, no one seems to agree with me.

I have yet to have 1 of my top 5 make it to the end.

bigbarada
04-16-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm going to stop complaining about the poll at this point. Especially now that the Gamorrean Guard has made it onto the list.:love:

I'm not super thrilled about a new slave Leia since I think she's pretty much a given if the line lasts a couple more years. So I throw Dr. Evazan back onto my list. Fortunately Bom Vimdim made it last round; so, with the exception of Evazan, all the figures I want right now are actually on the ROTJ list.

I don't want people to get the impression that I am voting for figures I wouldn't buy, because that's not the case. I would gladly buy every single figure that I've voted for so far. It just so happens that the one Star Wars figure that I want the most is currently sitting at #10 on the ROTJ list (if I've estimated correctly).

sebillba
04-16-2008, 12:54 PM
It just so happens that the one Star Wars figure that I want the most is currently sitting at #10 on the ROTJ list (if I've estimated correctly).

Kithaba? I'd vote for him too if he was in the current top 5 choices.

Tycho
04-16-2008, 01:22 PM
I can't believe I'm the ONLY one voting for Padme Senator from Palpatine's Office (AOTC).

The main point of the movie was "Protect the Senator at all costs." - Mace Windu.

It was the attempt on her life that set things in motion, as Palpatine couldn't afford her stirring up the Senate to vote AGAINST having a Grand Army of the Republic.

Tracking her assassin Jango Fett, led Obi-Wan to the Clones and the assault on Geonosis that began the Clone Wars.

Padme might be "non-action" until she gets into the Geonosian Arena, for which we have like 4 figures of her in the same outfit, but her role in the plot is as one of the leading Loyalist senators. An action figure of her in an outfit where she functions as such is the smart way to go with the next Padme action figure.

Droid
04-16-2008, 01:29 PM
The main point of the movie was "Protect the Senator at all costs." - Mace Windu.

Was that the point of the movie? Here I thought the point was ANAKIN AND PADME FALL IN LOVE, GET IT? SEE, HE WANTS HER, BUT SHE DOESN'T WANT HIM. AND HE LEERS AT HER. AND HE STEALS A KISS. AND THEY HAVE A PICNIC AND EAT A FLOATING PEAR AND SIT BY A FIRE. AND SHE REBUKES HIM. BUT THEN HE SLAUGHTERS PEOPLE AND SHE REALIZES HE IS ALL THAT. AND THEY ARE IN LOOOOOOVE.

I guess if the point of the movie was "protect the Senator at all costs" the movie is fairly effective because she did get protected. Here I thought if failed in its main goal, showing why two people fell in love.

All kidding aside, Tycho, I think they should make a Padme Senator figure. But for me, prequel figures just don't rate with original trilogy figures (Lars family excluded, which is just ridiculous they haven't made). In think prequel Owen and Beru rate so high because they ARE in the original trilogy and Cliegg has more lines of dialogue than any character in the Saga yet to be made as an action figure.

I'd rather have any race of alien that hasn't been made than an unmade Padme figure any day.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-16-2008, 09:12 PM
I'm not super thrilled about a new slave Leia since I think she's pretty much a given if the line lasts a couple more years.
Hasbro actually confirmed that they would be making a new version of her in a few years, so I really don't know why it's on the list.

bigbarada
04-16-2008, 10:17 PM
Kithaba? I'd vote for him too if he was in the current top 5 choices.

Yep, that's the one. He's been at the top of my want list since 2001-2002. But it's only been within the last few years that people are actually beginning to understand that he isn't Barada. Some people are now calling him the vintage Barada, even though that's only true of the paint scheme on the vintage figure. That figure is still sculpted like Barada (Kithaba doesn't have a backpack). However, if calling him the "vintage Barada" gets him made into a figure, then I'm all for it (as long as they don't just repaint the current crappy Barada figure).


Hasbro actually confirmed that they would be making a new version of her in a few years, so I really don't know why it's on the list.

I don't think I'll vote for her at all. Like I mentioned earlier, even though I'm voting strategically, I'm still voting for figures that I actually want.

I kind of prioritize by movie, ROTJ is always top priority, then ANH, then ESB, then the prequels and EU trailing far behind. I wish I had known before that figures from the Droids and Ewoks cartoon qualified as EU, I would have written them into the early polls.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-16-2008, 10:30 PM
Hasbro actually confirmed that they would be making a new version of her in a few years, so I really don't know why it's on the list.
You are right. I had forgotten about that. She's only received one 5th place vote so far this round, so it's not likely she will make the list this time. However removing her from this round might affect more than one person's voting if some people wanted to vote for the figure that would take her place. Next in line would be R2-D2 Shield Bunker Damage.

Now that I think about it, I think I will remove her now while I still can edit the post and while there is still plenty of time for people to change their vote if they want.

bigbarada
04-16-2008, 10:34 PM
You are right. I had forgotten about that. She's only received one 5th place vote so far this round, so it's not likely she will make the list this time. However removing her from this round might affect more than one person's voting if some people wanted to vote for the figure that would take her place. Next in line would be R2-D2 Shield Bunker Damage.

Now that I think about it, I think I will remove her now while I still can edit the post and while there is still plenty of time for people to change their vote if they want.

Awesome! So that brings Kithaba up to #9!:thumbsup:

I don't think I'll vote for the shield bunker Artoo either, I think it's an unnecessary version of the character.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-16-2008, 10:42 PM
Awesome! So that brings Kithaba up to #9!:thumbsup:

I don't think I'll vote for the shield bunker Artoo either, I think it's an unnecessary version of the character.If they never make one, the fried one from ANH that is coming can always double for the ROTJ one. It wouldn't be movie accurate for ROTJ, but it's close enough to make it less of a priority for me.

Actually, Kithaba is now #8 on the ROTJ list. He started at 12th, Wooof and Sim Aloo have made the list. Slave Leia is out, and DS2 Luke is also out since they announced him as well.

bigbarada
04-16-2008, 11:07 PM
Actually, Kithaba is now #8 on the ROTJ list. He started at 12th, Wooof and Sim Aloo have made the list. Slave Leia is out, and DS2 Luke is also out since they announced him as well.

Woo-hoo! That means he could potentially be in as early as next round if three figures from the ROTJ list make it to the top five!

Tycho
04-17-2008, 07:14 AM
I'm not changing my vote, as I can use all the tools in the 1998 R2 Sensorscope figure to simulate the Shield Bunker Damaged Artoo, but that figure would rock!

I'm just not ready to vote for him as of yet.

Artoo (Endor Shield Bunker) made my Top 50 list before. It would be a great figure of a regularly released main character that they'd never done before.

JediTricks
04-17-2008, 03:54 PM
I'm changing my vote, putting R2 in the #3 slot, bumping Uncle Owen.

Banthaholic
04-17-2008, 10:15 PM
Last week my boy Sim Aloo finally got his due, now I really want a figure of Joruus C'baoth. More Jedi are always welcome and this is one figure from the Zahn novels that would rock!

Tycho
04-18-2008, 09:03 AM
I was just looking back at how ESB fell:

Utriss M'Toc
Treva Horme (on the original list from my poll)
Wiorkettle

all will likely never make our finalists. They range from No. 12 /13 to 24 on our new poll results, and well behind resculpts of figures like Wedge and Han Bespin.

I don't even know that those resculpts will make our list. I'm not going to vote for them.

So sad. Cloud City loses so much love.