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El Chuxter
06-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Tuskegee Airmen to be subject of George Lucas film (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080617/ap_en_ot/film_tuskegee_airmen;_ylt=AnmUs4WUHN7QCY2nWcSWVX1x Fb8C)

I'm not going to quote the whole article, as it's rather long.

However, given his free and loose regard to history (particularly in pretending everything thirty years ago happened totally different from the way every other source records it as happening), do we really need an historical film by Lucas?

Is this his way of trying to convince people he's still a serious filmmaker? I'm not trying to impose a judgment call on the prequels here, but he has lost a lot of clout since TPM came out.

More importantly, when does Ahmed Best get to pick which of the Tuskegee Airmen he gets to play? And will Hasbro hold a midnight sale for the figures?

Sorry. To me, this is akin to Stan Lee writing an academic treatise on the economy of Botswana in the 1970s.

TeeEye7
06-17-2008, 11:35 AM
This sounds like a re-hash of The Tuskegee Airmen to me. From the link, it seems to me that Lucas really won't have much more to offer over the 1995 movie. I give it 2 *yawns* for originality and effort on G.Lu's part. :zzz:

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-17-2008, 05:27 PM
Is this his way of trying to convince people he's still a serious filmmaker?
No, I think it's just a project he's been wanting to do for a long time. Or at least they've been talking about it for a few years, so I'm frankly not sure why it's in the news.

Blue2th
06-17-2008, 08:12 PM
He was supposed to do this film a long time ago, but I guess he put it on the back burner. He'd have to put a new twist on the story to top Tuskeegee Airmen.
There are still plenty of P-51 Mustangs around though. Sure like to see those Warbirds in action any chance I get.
With the improvements in CGI we might get some nice action out of the German Messerschmitts and Focke Wulfs. Maybe even see a German Jet Me-262, which one of the Airmen reportedly shot down.

If he took the actual testimony from some of these guys and made the action scenes really intense, we might see some killer flying action.
He did after all base a lot of the fighter action in A New Hope on the old documentary films of WWII, so we know he's into it.

He wouldn't even have to base it on the Tuskeegee Airmen, because there are a lot of good storys from that time, but I guess it is a good premise for a film, or so he thinks.

sith_killer_99
06-17-2008, 08:26 PM
but he has lost a lot of clout since TPM came out.

You mean because he has only produced 3 top 25 grossing films since (including TPM). Give me a break, he may have lost a lot of support for the Star Wars story line from old time fans, but the franchise is still going strong with nearly 2.5 billion dollars grossed for 3 films. That's clout, no matter how you cut it.

But I do agree, this film does not garner much enthusiasm from me, and I am a big far of old time war films, especially the fighter planes.

Exhaust Port
06-17-2008, 08:33 PM
There are still plenty of P-51 Mustangs around though.

I think most of the P-51's they flew were -51C's which aren't that common. It'll very interesting to see how accurate he is with his aircraft choice. They flew a good percentage of their flights in non-P-51 aircraft (P-39, P-40, P-47).


Maybe even see a German Jet Me-262, which one of the Airmen reportedly shot down.

There is at least 1 of these flying already with another 1 or 2 being restored by the same group. It would be awesome to see a real Me-262 in a movie. There is also a company that sells brand new FW-190's which also would be nice to see a real one used rather than CGI.

Doing some quick online reading it seems that the frequently quoted stat that they never lost a bomber under their protection has been overturned. I guess there are period quotes/statements from Tuskegee pilots written at the time where they refer to bombers being shot out of their formation. I don't think it takes away from what they accomplished in a segregated military/society it just needs to be corrected.

El Chuxter
06-18-2008, 01:05 AM
I meant by "clout" that, at one point, everyone thought his movies were great. The original trilogy and the Indy films are pretty universally acclaimed. The prequels made a killing based solely on the name. Same for Indy IV. It will be his next movie that really shows what people think of him.

On the bright side, he hasn't fallen from grace nearly as quickly or as thoroughly as Roberto Benigni seemed to from Life Is Beautiful to Pinnochio.

Blue2th
06-18-2008, 01:06 AM
I think most of the P-51's they flew were -51C's which aren't that common. It'll very interesting to see how accurate he is with his aircraft choice. They flew a good percentage of their flights in non-P-51 aircraft (P-39, P-40, P-47).



There is at least 1 of these flying already with another 1 or 2 being restored by the same group. It would be awesome to see a real Me-262 in a movie. There is also a company that sells brand new FW-190's which also would be nice to see a real one used rather than CGI.

Doing some quick online reading it seems that the frequently quoted stat that they never lost a bomber under their protection has been overturned. I guess there are period quotes/statements from Tuskegee pilots written at the time where they refer to bombers being shot out of their formation. I don't think it takes away from what they accomplished in a segregated military/society it just needs to be corrected.
I knew they were flying the P-47 Thunderbolts before the Mustangs. It never occured to me they were flying the P-40 Warhawk and the P-39 Aircobra, which means they were in the mediteranean theatre, probably relegated to ground support, as those slow obsolete aircraft mostly did ground attack etc.

There are many errors when the toy companies do the Mustang, like when BBI came out with Bud Anderson's "Old Crow" in a "D" camo style when it's supposed to be a "C" with the Spitfire-like canopy. I've never seen one of those in real life, and don't know if any are flying. The first Mustang in the war with the Rolls-Royce engine. Featured accurately at least in "Dogfights" on the History channel.

Most movies even though they use similar aircraft or different models are innacurate, but I guess they get as close as they can. Like "Tora Tora Tora" (P-40-E's instead of B's altered AT-6's made to look like Kates, Vals, and Zeros) "Pearl Harbor" (P-40N's) Battle of Britain (Spitfire Mk. II or III's ?instead of I's not to mention the Spanish Hispano Suiza Messerschmitts, and Hienkle 111 bombers)
"Midway" was totally innacurate, there were no Hellcats, or Avengers (on the carriers at least) but rather obsolete Wildcats, Dauntlesses, and the ill fated guppy-looking Devastators.
Then again the general public doesn't know the difference, but I noticed these things since I was very young.

The real aircraft don't exist much anymore and I don't think even Lucas could make a Mustang D into a C up close with CGI. They would have to actually modify one to look that way. Kinda hard to do to a single plane that's worth millions, let alone a squadron. So they'll probably use the D model.

If they could at least use those FW-190's That would be the only way to go as far as the main opponent German aircraft. I was unaware they made replicas.
I saw that replica ME-262 on TV a while back awesome!
I also saw recently on the web a guy trying to land either a replica? or the real thing ME-109G Gustav at an airshow and one of the landing gears collapsed, but it was a walk-away and looked repairable whew!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-18-2008, 02:37 PM
The prequels made a killing based solely on the name. Same for Indy IV.
That might have been true if the films were only popular for a weekend or so, then bad word of mouth would have defeated them. But people who actually enjoyed these movies -- and, gasp! I'm one of them, and there are plenty others -- saw them repeatedly, and likely encouraged others to see them. Other people must have at least heard some good things if they went to see them in the first place. Also, AOTC and ROTS still did well after TPM might have "ruined" the franchise for many. Not quite as well, but still really well.

Exhaust Port
06-18-2008, 03:17 PM
I've never seen one of those in real life, and don't know if any are flying.

There are a few, but not as many as the D model. The Collins Foundation has a very rare 2-seater. Kermit Weeks has a P-51C painted in the Tuskegee Red Tail in his collection (Fantasy of Flight). CAF has one too.

http://www.fantasyofflight.com/aircraftpages/p51c.htm
http://www.collingsfoundation.org/ma_p51mustang.htm
http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/hangar/support.cgi?N61429

The first Mustang in the war with the Rolls-Royce engine. Featured accurately at least in "Dogfights" on the History channel.


Most movies even though they use similar aircraft or different models are inaccurate, but I guess they get as close as they can.

Ugh, don't get me started on Pearl Harbor. At least movies like "Tora Tora Tora" tried to replicate the aircraft but that M. Bay piece of junk didn't even get close. Basically no piece of equipment in that movie (on land, in air or on the sea was right). I guess if you're OK with fake people used in historic events using incorrect aircraft and ships is OK too.

As much as I like to see the correct aircraft used there are limitations I agree. There aren't any Japanese torpedo aircraft available so it can't be expected to be used. I guess with the use of CGI now that this excuse isn't really valid anymore.

It's true that the majority of the general public won't know the difference but I don't see that as an excuse to do things wrong. The reason most folks don't know the difference is they aren't exposed to aircraft, especially older ones. Ask Joe on the street to name 5 aircraft and 5 cars, he'll know the cars. So if M. Bay decided to use a '67 Mustang in Pearl Harbor folks would notice. Unfortunately he doesn't think as highly of using the correct aircraft in a movie where the military hardware is central to the events unfolding.

I think Ron Howard did an amazing job with all the details trying to create an honest representation of NASA during the Apollo missions and even then he still goofed here and there. But most folks, even the nitpicky folks like me, were willing to over look those because so much of the movie was spot on.


The real aircraft don't exist much anymore and I don't think even Lucas could make a Mustang D into a C up close with CGI. They would have to actually modify one to look that way. Kinda hard to do to a single plane that's worth millions, let alone a squadron. So they'll probably use the D model.

I would think a mockup of a cockpit with a blue screen for the close ups and CGI for the distant shots would be ideal. It sure would be a nice treat to see a WW2 movie filled with era/squadron/theater appropriate aircraft.


I was unaware they made replicas.

On my wishlist....

http://www.flugwerk.de/



I saw that replica ME-262 on TV a while back awesome!
I also saw recently on the web a guy trying to land either a replica? or the real thing ME-109G Gustav at an airshow and one of the landing gears collapsed, but it was a walk-away and looked repairable whew!

Unfortunately that was a real Bf-109G that had the landing gear failure. I would really like to see a real Bf-109 used and not a Hispano version. They don't have the same sleak lines with those bulging engine cowls.

El Chuxter
06-18-2008, 03:27 PM
Eh, JJL, you missed the point of what I was saying. Everyone saw the prequels because they were Star Wars. Some liked them, some did not. But they weren't the groundbreaking films the previous three had been, and are not as universally acclaimed. My point is that Lucas' first movie that's not connected to any of his previous successful endeavors could make or break him in the eyes of future moviegoers.

bigbarada
06-18-2008, 07:26 PM
Eh, JJL, you missed the point of what I was saying. Everyone saw the prequels because they were Star Wars. Some liked them, some did not. But they weren't the groundbreaking films the previous three had been, and are not as universally acclaimed. My point is that Lucas' first movie that's not connected to any of his previous successful endeavors could make or break him in the eyes of future moviegoers.

I agree, the prequels simply haven't made the impact that the original films had. That has nothing to do with how much money they made or how popular they are.

While fanboys and little kids might like them, Lucas has a looooonng way to go if he wants to rebuild his credibility as a filmmaker after the Star Wars prequels.

Blue2th
08-21-2008, 12:31 PM
Some news about "Red Tails" from a Yakface link:

Jackson Eyeing Red Tails
George Lucas wants Mace Windu in the director's chair.
by Jim Vejvoda

August 19, 2008 - During an exclusive one-on-one interview today with Lakeview Terrace star Samuel L. Jackson, the actor spoke with IGN Movies about the possibility that he might re-team with Star Wars creator George Lucas for the latter's World War II production Red Tails.

Lucas has long been developing Red Tails, which chronicles the exploits of the African-American war heroes known as the Tuskegee Airmen. John Ridley penned the most recent draft of the screenplay. Given his box office stature and past history of working with Lucas on the Star Wars prequels and the recently released Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated feature, we asked Jackson if Lucas had spoken to him about being in the picture. It turns out that he has, and that the Bearded One sees Jackson playing a much larger role in the project than just as an actor.

"I just read it like two weeks ago. It's a pretty good script," Jackson began. "At one point (Lucas) was asking me if I'd ever want to direct anything. I said, 'I don't know, man. I'm trying to find things.' He said, 'Well, let me send you this thing. Maybe you might want to direct it.'"

Jackson continued, "Well, I guess if I was gonna direct something George would be a great guy to kind of mentor me through that, especially a big *** special effects flying picture. The script's good. I like it."

But when pressed if he would seriously consider helming Red Tails, Jackson replied, "I don't know. I don't have a year and a half of my life where I wanna stop acting."

Exhaust Port
08-21-2008, 02:38 PM
Whew. For a second there I thought that the article was going to say SLJ was going to act in the movie. I don't think an actor of his age would be appropriate for any role meant for someone half his age. Now directing could be interesting so I hope he does it.

Rocketboy
08-21-2008, 03:01 PM
Whew. For a second there I thought that the article was going to say SLJ was going to act in the movie. I don't think an actor of his age would be appropriate for any role meant for someone half his age. Now directing could be interesting so I hope he does it.Sam Jackson is appropriate for everything.
George Washington biopic? Cast Sam.
Jaws remake? cast Sam as the shark.
X-Men 4? Sam is Charles Xavier.
Girls Gone Wild? Sam can be the chicks.

El Chuxter
08-21-2008, 03:10 PM
Even disregarding the truth Rocketboy speaks, you don't think there'd be some character old enough to be played by Samuel L? (And it's not like the guy is ancient, either.)

I'm not sure about him directing. He has no experience, and every actor can't be a director (or at least a good one). Besides, the cast would be too in awe of his coolness to perform at their utmost.

Exhaust Port
08-21-2008, 03:54 PM
Even disregarding the truth Rocketboy speaks, you don't think there'd be some character old enough to be played by Samuel L? (And it's not like the guy is ancient, either.)

The Tuskegee Training was headed up by whites and so was their Squadron overseas. There were black officers but they were similar in age to their white counterparts (ie Captains in their 20's). I don't think there were any black officers in their 40's in WWII.

El Chuxter
08-21-2008, 03:56 PM
Do you think the only black characters in the film at all will be the Airmen?

Exhaust Port
08-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Do you think the only black characters in the film at all will be the Airmen?

He could be a civilian but rarely is there a US civilian role in a war movie. Yes there were non-airmen blacks in the unit but their age demographic was no different than that of the whites. A 50 year old private? It's something often not portrayed accurately was how young the average US serviceman was in the war. I've heard numbers between 23-26 years old which is much younger than most of the actors in Saving Private Ryan.

This is Hollywood though and we'd probably be MORE surprised if they didn't spice up the real story, historic players, events, etc. Pearl Harbor anyone?

Blue2th
08-21-2008, 07:03 PM
They could take liberties with the story like Michael Bay did with Pearl Harbor.

Samuel Jackson could be a crack pilot's barnstorming dad, teaching him the ropes of high flying. :crazed:

JediTricks
08-21-2008, 07:09 PM
This news gave me the feeling that Sam Jackson is George Lucas' "black friend", the same way Stephen Colbert has one. :p

El Chuxter
08-22-2008, 12:16 AM
I meant he could be in a flashback, or be someone's dad, or something.

Rocketboy
08-22-2008, 12:42 AM
No, Sam Jackson should play EVERYONE in Red Tails.

El Chuxter
08-22-2008, 01:09 AM
That'd actually be awesome.

How long, being totally serious, until some wicked bad actor like Samuel L or Chuck Norris is replicated by way of CG to play every role in a movie?

Rocketboy
08-22-2008, 10:47 AM
That'd actually be awesome.

How long, being totally serious, until some wicked bad actor like Samuel L or Chuck Norris is replicated by way of CG to play every role in a movie?I take that back. Sam Jackson should play almost everyone.
We need a Kristofferson cameo.

Blue2th
08-22-2008, 01:18 PM
I meant he could be in a flashback, or be someone's dad, or something.

That's probably the role he will play, as a retired Tuskegee Airman, telling the tales of his exploits.

Exhaust Port
08-22-2008, 02:35 PM
So it'll be interesting to see if they acknowledge that the Tuskegee unit actually did lose bombers they were escorting during the war contrary to the claim they never lost a bomber.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/01/AR2007040100140.html

Blue2th
08-22-2008, 03:50 PM
I think it's best to tell the truth in historical dramas, especially nowadays that people are more informed about the real historical facts. A lot of our heros we find out they are more flawed people like everybody else.


Has anybody seen the paint schemes on their P-51D's ? Talk about pimp my ride. :yes: http://www.aikensairplanes.com/21st%20century/cen_99236.htm

JimJamBonds
08-24-2008, 11:50 PM
Cool paint job but there were better ones in the war.

TeeEye7
08-25-2008, 07:26 PM
Cool paint job but there were better ones in the war.

While we're on the subject: maybe EP or Blue2th may have an answer to this. I've been trying to find a good book on WWII aircraft nose art for quite some time (in fact, I'm looking for a history on nose art....when did it start, inspirations for it, etc.?). What I've found in the past hasn't been too impressive.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
TI7

Exhaust Port
08-25-2008, 07:41 PM
While we're on the subject: maybe EP or Blue2th may have an answer to this. I've been trying to find a good book on WWII aircraft nose art for quite some time (in fact, I'm looking for a history on nose art....when did it start, inspirations for it, etc.?). What I've found in the past hasn't been too impressive.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
TI7

The only book I have is "World War II Nose Art in Color" which is more of a description of specific aircraft. I found it more interesting for the color pictures more than anything else. It lacks any real history information.

These 2 books look promisingly more historic and include WWI.

http://www.amazon.com/Fighting-Colors-Turner-Publishing-Company/dp/1563119870/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product

http://www.amazon.com/Aircraft-Nose-Art-Motorbooks-Classics/dp/0760313695/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product

Blue2th
08-25-2008, 09:57 PM
While we're on the subject: maybe EP or Blue2th may have an answer to this. I've been trying to find a good book on WWII aircraft nose art for quite some time (in fact, I'm looking for a history on nose art....when did it start, inspirations for it, etc.?). What I've found in the past hasn't been too impressive.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
TI7
I was just going to say, Exhaust Port knows a lot about this stuff. :yes:

I have an old 2000 calender that I kept because it's so big and lots of cool nose art pictures.

I found a Scientific American magazine in an antique mall dated 1942, what was cool about it was a story on nose art done by the Disney artists for the war effort. Probably their most famous was the cartoon "Flying Tiger" on the side of the American Volunteer Group (AVG) P-40 Tomahawks.
Doing a web search I found this on WWII Disney nose art (lots of cool pics)
http://www.skylighters.org/disney/index.html

TeeEye7
08-25-2008, 11:43 PM
Thanks, EP and Blue2th!

I had seen both books on a search to which EP made reference. I guess I need to see them first hand at a book store for an assessment. I still wish there was a book with a good historical background on the subject, though. I guess my quest goes on! Great feature on Disney!

Thanks again, guys! :thumbsup:

Exhaust Port
08-26-2008, 10:59 AM
Disney also designed "Fifinella" which was adopted as the mascot for the Women Airforce Service Pilots or WASPs for short. It's one of my favorites.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/15/Fifinella.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifinella

Blue2th
08-26-2008, 11:05 AM
My favorite, I don't think it's Disney, but I could be wrong, and they still use it today is Felix the Cat running with a bomb.

Exhaust Port
08-26-2008, 01:59 PM
A bit more unit insignias but I find them just as interesting. The Hat-in-a-Ring is a classic and goes all the way back to WWI with an Ohio native son, Eddie Rickenbacher, being the units (and American in WWI) leading ace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/94th_Fighter_Squadron

American pop culture nose art on foreign aircraft is also interesting. Adolf Galland had Mickey Mouse on his Bf109. I also found a RAF Polish unit that had Donald Duck on their Spitfire(s). That's quite a stretch, a Pole fighting for the British with a US cartoon character on their aircraft.

Blue2th
08-26-2008, 05:13 PM
A bit more unit insignias but I find them just as interesting. The Hat-in-a-Ring is a classic and goes all the way back to WWI with an Ohio native son, Eddie Rickenbacher, being the units (and American in WWI) leading ace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/94th_Fighter_Squadron

American pop culture nose art on foreign aircraft is also interesting. Adolf Galland had Mickey Mouse on his Bf109. I also found a RAF Polish unit that had Donald Duck on their Spitfire(s). That's quite a stretch, a Pole fighting for the British with a US cartoon character on their aircraft.

I've got that Adolf Galland Me-109E in 1:18 scale by 21st Century Toys, it's one of my favorites with a yellow nose on it. Always liked it because of the Mickey Mouse. It's super rare now.
They were also supposed to release that very one Polish marked Spitfire in the recent 1:32 scale plane, but opted first for the less colorful Eagle Squadron one. I imagine it's coming out next, if the troubled 21st Century Toys company doesn't go under first.
Currently there's a run on their stuff, prices are going to rediculous amounts. (sorry veering off topic a bit here)

Exhaust Port
08-26-2008, 05:54 PM
I use to collect some of the 12" figures they produced (mostly the Germans) and got out of the 21st Century stuff just as they started blossoming. In the last 5+ years they've been making some awesome stuff. I love the scale tanks and aircraft series so I'm a bit jealous of yours. I think the best thing about their selection is that they produce very specific models. Making a Bf109 isn't enough, they make the G-6 and F-2 with accurate unit and pilot specific paint jobs. Oh I see they have a Dora-9 Fw190. Man that's a great looking model.

Since I've been out of the loop I didn't realize they were having trouble. I've noticed they've shifted their focus away from the 1:6 scale so I'm guessing the interest is with the other scales. What are the rumors regarding their future. I've been mentioning to the wife for a while now that we should start buying all these great toys now for any future kids we have. Kind of like investing in our kids great playtime now. :)

Blue2th
08-26-2008, 06:16 PM
Well the rumour is they are having trouble paying their bills to the Chinese factories, whom have confiscated some of their prize molds, namely the 1:18 ones like the Huey, Cobra and Spitfire etc. that have gone up in price considerably.
Most all the 1:18 models have gone up in price some more than others, like last years Target exclusive BBI Blackhawks and Apaches, have already hit over $100 on the secondary market, and they were $29 originally, and BBI is still going strong. A 21st Century Helicopter can go for over $300. Spitfires from $150 to $200. It's just the expense of making these and the shelfspace they take up is why the major retailers don't carry them anymore, except a few at TRU and online at Target. Walmart does not carry the 1:18 anymore, so that part of their account is gone and it was the major chunk.

If you want to know more about small scale military toys, I just joined this place, lots of knowledgable guys there (kinda like here with the Star Wars :yes:) http://www.warbird-photos.com/gpxd/

BaneMalar
08-26-2008, 08:50 PM
If it was Duck Tales I would go see it...but Lucas has been known to be messing up movies lately...I mean, Idiana...that was pretty weak. When's Stalone directing his next flick

El Chuxter
08-26-2008, 09:23 PM
I sincerely hope you're not dissing on DuckTales.

That show was 1,500% better than the prequels.

Exhaust Port
08-28-2008, 10:45 AM
Imdb lists the director as Anthony Hemingway (who?). Looking at his previous works this is his first movie. Everything else has been TV episodes and only for 2 years. That's quite a leap of faith by GL to pick a guy who's never worked on a movie in any fashion or done much directing to begin with.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0376006/

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-28-2008, 02:51 PM
Imdb lists the director as Anthony Hemingway (who?). Looking at his previous works this is his first movie. Everything else has been TV episodes and only for 2 years. That's quite a leap of faith by GL to pick a guy who's never worked on a movie in any fashion or done much directing to begin with.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0376006/
See: The Clone Wars

Exhaust Port
08-28-2008, 04:41 PM
Oh, darn. :( ;)

cookiemonster
09-16-2008, 03:47 AM
I want this to be a success as I had the honor of meeting a real Tuskegee Airman, I would like GL not to screw this up like he has done with a lot of movies (sorry guys the ones that spring straight to mind are the Prequel Movies and Howard the Duck).

Blue2th
09-16-2008, 10:15 AM
I think it could be a huge success, if there is more action and lots of cool airplanes and hardware.
I know they have to tell the story of the airmen and their difficulties, and it would be hard to tell the story without it, but we already know about that (see Tuskegee Airmen) I think if they focus mostly on the exploits and battles, and even lean toward a race neutral story, it would be better.
Black people must get tired of all the "plight of the black man" stories too and just want to be treated like everybody else.

Good action flicks with the likes of Will Smith, Samuel Jackson, hardly if at all touch on that subject anymore. They are race neutral flicks, and people flock to see them because they are good, not because the lead actor is black.

TeeEye7
09-16-2008, 11:41 AM
I think it could be a huge success, if there is more action and lots of cool airplanes and hardware.
I know they have to tell the story of the airmen and their difficulties, and it would be hard to tell the story without it, but we already know about that (see Tuskegee Airmen) I think if they focus mostly on the exploits and battles, and even lean toward a race neutral story, it would be better.
Black people must get tired of all the "plight of the black man" stories too and just want to be treated like everybody else.

Good action flicks with the likes of Will Smith, Samuel Jackson, hardly if at all touch on that subject anymore. They are race neutral flicks, and people flock to see them because they are good, not because the lead actor is black.

We can only hope that G.Lu heeds this advice. Point well taken!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-06-2009, 04:34 PM
Production has finally begun! (http://www.starwars.com/themovies/other/redtailsrelease.html)


Red Tails Finishes Casting and Begins Production

The Lucasfilm Ltd. production of Red Tails -- a fictional story inspired by the historic and heroic exploits of America's first all black aerial combat unit -- has completed casting and will soon begin principal photography in Europe. Produced by Rick McCallum and Charles Floyd Johnson, directed by Anthony Hemingway (The Wire, Battlestar Galactica) and written by John Ridley (Three Kings) from a story by executive producer George Lucas, Red Tails will star Oscar winner Cuba Gooding Jr. (Jerry Maguire), Oscar nominee Terrence Howard (Crash), Emmy winner Bryan Cranston (Breaking Bad), Nate Parker (The Secret Life of Bees), David Oyelowo (The Last King of Scotland), Tristan Wilds (The Wire), Cliff Smith aka Method Man (The Wire), Kevin Phillips (Pride), Rick Otto (The Wire), Lee Tergesen (Monster), Andre Royo (Heroes), Grammy award winner Ne-Yo (Stomp the Yard), Elijah Kelley (Hairspray), Marcus T. Paulk (Take the Lead), Leslie Odom Jr. (Grey's Anatomy), Michael B. Jordan (The Wire), Grammy nominated singer Jazmine Sullivan, Edwina Finley (Law and Order), Daniela Ruah (Midnight Passion) and Stacie Davis (The Wire).

"I've been wanting to do Red Tails for 20 years, and we've finally got the means to showcase the skill of the Tuskegee pilots," said Lucas. "We're working on techniques which will give us the first true look at the aerial dogfighting of the era. And our top-notch cast will really make this story special."

"I'm thrilled to have such a fantastic cast of actors and such a talented director to work with," said McCallum. "The story of the Tuskegee Airmen represents a milestone in American history, and we're all proud to be paying tribute to their heroic efforts. That cultural significance is not lost on anyone in this great young cast."

FILM SYNOPSIS:

1944. World War II rages and the fate of the free world hangs in the balance. Meanwhile the black pilots of the experimental Tuskegee training program are courageously waging two wars at once -- one against enemies overseas, and the other against discrimination within the military and back home. Racial prejudices have long held ace airman Martin "Easy" Julian (Nate Parker) and his black pilots back at base -- leaving them with little to do but further hone their flying skills -- while their white counterparts are shipped out to combat after a mere three months of training. Mistakenly deemed inferior and assigned only second-rate planes and missions, the pilots of Tuskegee have mastered the skies with ease but have not been granted the opportunity to truly spread their wings. Until now.

As the war in Europe continues to take its dire toll on Allied forces, Pentagon brass has no recourse but to reconsider these under-utilized pilots for combat duty. Just as the young Tuskegee men are on the brink of being shut down and shipped back home, Col. A.J. Bullard (Terrence Howard) awards them the ultimate chance to prove their mettle high above. Undaunted by the prospect of providing safe escort to bombers in broad daylight -- a mission so dangerous that the RAF has refused it and the white fighter groups have sustained substantial losses -- Easy's pilots at last join the fiery aerial fray. Against all the odds, with something to prove and everything to lose, these intrepid young airmen take to the skies in a heroic endeavor to combat the enemy -- and the discrimination that has kept them down for so long.

This actually has me looking forward to seeing the movie. I don't know most of the cast but Terrence Howard and Bryan Cranston should be good in it (Cuba Gooding Jr. has a hit-or-miss thing going on). I'm glad that they kept at least some of the racial themes in there, despite the last few posts in this thread; you can't disassociate this story from racism and go for a color-blind thing, since that will just not work.

Blue2th
04-06-2009, 06:11 PM
That's good news :thumbsup:

When you think about it, them not being able to join their white comrades in battle "leaving them with little to do but further hone their flying skills -- while their white counterparts are shipped out to combat after a mere three months of training," probably made them more ready for combat than the greenhorns shipped off like fresh meat for the front.
More practice flying made them better pilots to survive air battles.
The Germans were no slouches.

Looks like the flight sequences are going to be quite good according to Lucas.

Droid
04-07-2009, 10:49 AM
I am a bit nervous that Lucas, of course, first focuses on how neat the special effects are going to be.

Blue2th
04-07-2009, 11:29 AM
I am a bit nervous that Lucas, of course, first focuses on how neat the special effects are going to be.

You are right there. Hopefully the script and the acting hold up.
At the same time this is his chance to push the envelope with special effects. Most great aviation flicks they had to bring a camera up in the air, film actual flight scenes. This can be limiting because of the logistics involved.

Lucas is an air battle fan, because he used actual footage for reference to make the Star Wars space battles.
I would love to see something that intense for this movie.

I just hope he gets his planes right. The Tuskeegee airmen flew all kinds of different planes, flew in other battles of Europe and the Mediterenean for a while before they got their state of the art shiny silver superior in almost every way P-51D Mustangs and escorted the Bombers over Germany.
They also flew P-40's (Pearl Harbor type) P-47's and P-39's. Not to mention an earlier version of the Mustang the P-51B. Most of these planes were painted in camoflage or olive green, before the allies had the upper hand and quit painting most of the planes mid war.
There are examples still flying of each of these.

Though little things like that don't matter much to the general public I guess. :rolleyes:

JimJamBonds
04-09-2009, 09:44 PM
Sounds pretty good to me, I'm guessing it will be out next summerish? Most of all I'm quite happy to read something involving The Rick.

sirstevefan
04-15-2009, 04:31 PM
What would you guys like in a Red Tails line of toys? There are lots of really cool detailed planes by 21st Century Toys, BBI, and Skyworks. Toy planes make me happy. I know I'm not alone - I hear of fellow men buying these toys, going out, making engine noises, as neighbors watch, scratch their heads, and wonder about our sanity. lol Figures can and should look real cool, like the new G.I. Joe + all his removable belts and webgear. Nice details, Hasbro. Here's what I'd like to see. Planes! Planes! Planes! Also, I'd like figures with nice intricacies like the removable webgear, headgear, straps, goggles, and chutes. :thumbsup: What else would you guys like?

sirstevefan
04-15-2009, 04:50 PM
Would be way cool if Hasbro can emulate the fur of these retro-cool leather jackets with the lamb-skin lining. Kinda like Padme's Ilum figure yet not too much fur... Way cool man. THumbs up:thumbsup:

Blue2th
07-30-2011, 12:59 AM
Red Tails Trailer: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1810095581/video/26098678

Finally! I knew only Lucas could do the air battles justice. I'm seeing a lot of authenticity here. It helps to have Industrial Light and Magic to pull this off. Can't wait.

JimJamBonds
07-30-2011, 11:05 PM
Looks pretty good to me, although the loop-de-loop directly into a successful firing position looks kinda iffy to me, but otherwise looked good!

El Chuxter
07-31-2011, 01:36 AM
Didn't realize the ME262 saw enough action in WWII to show up in the movie, but Google shows me several sources that seem to confirm its accuracy. (Wikipedia, if it's right today, indicates there were a lot more jets than I knew of in the war.)

The CG definitely had a CG look to it, but, other than that really minor quibble, this looks pretty good. I notice that Commodore Major Dad Hearst is in it, and he's awesome.

Blue2th
07-31-2011, 12:04 PM
They didn't deploy the ME-262 in time to make a difference. A good thing, at more than 100 mph faster. They were easy pickings when they had to land them though.

Yeah the CG looks a lot like what you'd see in Star Wars, but with not many of these planes left or flyable, the only way they can do an epic air battle.

Used to be able to buy the 1:18 (or 3.75 scale) planes at Walmart for $39.00. Till Walmart dropped 21st Century Toys and they went out of business. I've got quite a few, but I missed the Tuskeegee P-51. :(
http://www.aikensairplanes.com/21st century/cen_10184s8.htm

They even made an ME-262. You can still get the 2 seater night fighter.
http://www.aikensairplanes.com/21st century/cen_10118s1.htm
As big as a Hasbro Republic Gunship.

TeeEye7
07-31-2011, 09:20 PM
Lucas next needs a movie on the exploits of the WWII Ninth Air Force's 416th Bomb Group! :yes:

sith_killer_99
07-31-2011, 09:42 PM
I will see this!

Blue2th
08-01-2011, 12:18 AM
Lucas next needs a movie on the exploits of the WWII Ninth Air Force's 416th Bomb Group! :yes:

Indeed! I hope this sets a precedent for future films. I know Peter Jackson is working on "Dambusters" so we'll get more WWII bombers in action. There's also rumors of a "Flying Tigers" remake too.


What I really hope will happen is a re-awakening of the large scale pre-built authentic toy airplane market again. Like Sir Steve mentioned in an earlier post (2009) I'm one of those guys. :yes:
Too bad Hasbro didn't buy out 21st Century Toys.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-01-2011, 01:49 AM
Some of it looks like standard-issue period drama, but the battle sequences do look pretty sweet. I'll definitely check it out.

JimJamBonds
08-01-2011, 07:31 PM
Indeed! I hope this sets a precedent for future films. I know Peter Jackson is working on "Dambusters" so we'll get more WWII bombers in action.Really?!?!? SWEET!

Blue2th
08-01-2011, 11:11 PM
Some of it looks like standard-issue period drama, but the battle sequences do look pretty sweet. I'll definitely check it out. At least he's into making the action sequences along the lines of what a Star wars fan would enjoy. Wonder if we'll get a long drawn out debate in the Senate though? Ha!


Really?!?!? SWEET!
Flying Tigers remake:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/john-woo-returning-to-wwii-with-the-flying-tiger-heroes/

(http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/john-woo-returning-to-wwii-with-the-flying-tiger-heroes/)
Dambusters remake:
http://www.wetanz.com/who-you-gonna-call-the-dam-busters/

JimJamBonds
08-15-2011, 07:10 PM
Flying Tigers remake:
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/john-woo-returning-to-wwii-with-the-flying-tiger-heroes/Hmm John Woo, at what point will the doves show up?

nohagent
08-16-2011, 07:39 PM
i think lucas is stuck in this genre. why cant he take the concept of "redtails" but make it star wars and do a rogue squadron movie? Or he can do a movie about how no one thought sullustans could be pilots but they proved the galaxy wrong? i am not joking here, i am completely serious. Rogue Squadron all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blue2th
08-18-2011, 11:23 AM
A newer Redtails trailer: http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=31815

More P-40's in this one.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-01-2012, 11:23 PM
His hour-long interview on Oprah's network didn't tell us much, not much new, that is. I hope to see this film though, soon.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-20-2012, 07:53 PM
And so I did; except I had to go solo to the theater. :( A nice period piece, with good aerial action, as others guessed. It was nice to not have name actors (only ones I recalled were T.Howard, C.Gooding, G.McRaney, B.Cranston), so the story and visuals were the focus.

I didn't notice any 1138s :( but there were several SW-like camera shots or dialogue (simple things like: "I can't see 'em," "watch out for the guns," etc.). It was a fairly-full theater, which was good to see. I apparently sat next to an African American veteran airman from the Korean War, who spoke to another military person next to him, as the credits were rolling. :thumbsup: :salute:

OC47150
02-25-2012, 12:44 PM
I haven't seen it yet. I'm hoping it will go to the second-run theatre in my area. Unfortunately, some movies haven't been making it there.

Bel-Cam Jos
02-25-2012, 04:08 PM
It is only at the 30-screen megaplex, in one of the smaller back theaters, in my area.