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JediTricks
08-04-2008, 08:54 PM
Well, let's get the ball rolling on this. Hasbro liked our figure poll results, and wants more data like that, so we said we'd like to do up a vehicles poll and they seemed to like that idea. I'm not sure what event we could give them the results on, Toy Fair is next February, Comic-Con is next July, and I'm not sure what else they are going to in the meantime. We could also try to submit the results sooner via email channels.

I am not entirely sold on any of the poll methods out there, but I am curious which methods folks want to see.

I'd also like to see a list of potential vehicles by source rather than by size, I think seeing everything together will give us a better idea of what we're up against and what we'll have to do to get it done.

omnithx
08-04-2008, 09:19 PM
That's a great idea. Since I'm primarily an OT kind of guy, most of my wish list is either obvious or too obscure for it to be made, anyway here goes.

ANH- Tantive IV
- SoroSuub V-35 Landspeeder ( Lars family landspeeder)
- Ubrikkian 9000 Z001 (Landspeeder at front of cantina)
- Bespin Motors Vid Spider THX 1138 (Near cantina)
- Mobquet A-1 Deluxe Floater (Another backgroundspeeder)

ESB- Rogue 3 Snowspeeder ( w/ Wedge in Snowspeeder outfit)
-Needa's Shuttle
- Medical Frigate

ROTJ- The Khetanna (Jabba's Sail Barge)
-Endor landing platform to attach to Endor AT-AT to and place Imperial Shuttle on. ( Not really a vehicle, but I'd buy one!)

DarthBrandon
08-04-2008, 09:19 PM
Well, let's get the ball rolling on this. Hasbro liked our figure poll results, and wants more data like that, so we said we'd like to do up a vehicles poll and they seemed to like that idea. I'm not sure what event we could give them the results on, Toy Fair is next February, Comic-Con is next July, and I'm not sure what else they are going to in the meantime. We could also try to submit the results sooner via email channels.

I am not entirely sold on any of the poll methods out there, but I am curious which methods folks want to see.

I'd also like to see a list of potential vehicles by source rather than by size, I think seeing everything together will give us a better idea of what we're up against and what we'll have to do to get it done.


I'm all for polls here, but I would like to see them broken down into mid-size vehicles (Jedi Starfighter/AT-ST) & Large Size vehicles (SailBarge/Blockade Runner). (Rough price point doesn't hurt either)

ANH: Rebel Blockade Runner (Most Wanted)
ESB: AT-AT (Larger Re-done)
ROTJ: Sailbarge (2nd Most Wanted)
TPM: Sith Infiltrator (Larger Redo) Or Gungan Sub
AOTC: Padme's Ship (Gets Blown up at start of film)
ROTS: Palpy's Shuttle (3rd Most Wanted)

bigbarada
08-05-2008, 01:08 AM
I'll support large vehicles like the Blockade Runner and Sailbarge for those who want them, but I wouldn't buy either one.

My nominations:

AT-AT - larger and rebuilt from scratch
AT-ST - ROTJ Endor version, large enough to hold two drivers
Speeder Bike - Endor speeder bikes, all new
TIE Interceptor - all new
Darth Vader's TIE Fighter - all-new, rebuilt from the ground up
SPHA-T - probably impossible to make
Republic Gunship - all new and big enough to carry around the AT-TE
B-Wing - correctly scaled
Y-Wing - correctly scaled

Battle Droid
08-05-2008, 05:50 AM
TPM:

MTT
Small Battle Droid Carrier
Nute Gunray's Neimoidian Shuttle.
Droid Starfighter (Transformable)

AOTC:

AT-TE Dropship
Dooku's Geonosian Solar Sailer

ROTS:

Corporate Alliance Tank Droid
Droid Gunship
Techno Union Starfighter
General Grievous' Neimoidian Shuttle (Retool of Nute Gunray's Shuttle)
Techno Union Hardcell Class Interstellar Transport
Tri-Droid (Accurate size)
Vulture Droid (Repaint)

EU:

Banking Clan Ground Armored Tank
Ultra Battle Droid (Huge version of the Super Battle Droid)
Trade Federation Gunboat
Scorpenek Annihilator Droid
Siesmic Tank (From first Clone Wars cartoon)

pegger
08-05-2008, 07:44 AM
TPM - Bongo, more racing pods - all of them.
AOTC - Ricksaw (the one on Tatooine), AT-TE dropship
ROTS - Emperor Palps shuttle, Padme's shuttle
ESB - Rebel Transport, Cloud Car, AT-ST (resized as BB said)
ROTJ - Speederbikes (these really need to be re-done), TIE Interceptor (with proper cockpit)

Oh, and Home One (just joking JT)

Tycho
08-05-2008, 09:13 AM
The Droid Starfighter / Vultcher Droid needs to be molded in harder plastic for a good transforming one.

It is long past time that electronics were put into some kind of TIE Fighter to get Ben Burt's award-winning rattlesnake laser cannon sound and lion's roar fly-by noise. If they can't use a watch-style battery to power it, then go back to the old mold with the hand-hold / battery compartment on the back of the cockpit. It was inaccurate, but the re-mold is out there now for all who want to buy this. I myself would love the electronics. Also, firing missiles could be added to the TIE Interceptor, and the electronics and firing weapons would easily be fitted to the TIE Bomber. Vader's TIE could also easily accomodate the electronics, but I don't want to buy another one and would still rather have the option to fleet build with the regular TIEs that now feature electronics.

Dooku's Solar Sailor could be a very interesting vehicle to do.

The Gungan Sub (Bongo) is long overdue.

I'd like both of Padme's ships.

I think JediMasterSal is yearning to be the nominee to construct this poll.

Yes, I think that a movie-by-movie approach, irregardless of size, might be interesting - we did the figures that way. However, that's NOT what Hasbro asked for. I was there, and while it's open to interpretation, I think they wanted a free-for-all listing poll, irregardless of source or size. With figures, the list is a huge list to manage with hundreds of possibilities. With vehicles, we're already looking at maybe less than 50.

So if the list jumps around in obvious price-points say from the sailbarge to the Lars' landspeeder ($100 - $20), they're not concerned with that. Hasbro will determine what to charge for the toys. While the Star Destroyer might be impossible to make pencil out, we can at least prioritize our demand for the ship and let Hasbro cross it off.

This one can be very, very simple - and that's all it needs to be.

Sal already ran this poll before - we could even just e-mail his previous results - but the Sailbarge took the top slot. I'd predict it will again based on many people's comments around the forums. Now do we need 20 brackett tournament polls and 5 more run-offs to explain this? I think we can just do one listing poll and wind up with very accurate results.

bigbarada
08-05-2008, 06:01 PM
The Droid Starfighter / Vultcher Droid needs to be molded in harder plastic for a good transforming one.

It is long past time that electronics were put into some kind of TIE Fighter to get Ben Burt's award-winning rattlesnake laser cannon sound and lion's roar fly-by noise. If they can't use a watch-style battery to power it, then go back to the old mold with the hand-hold / battery compartment on the back of the cockpit. It was inaccurate, but the re-mold is out there now for all who want to buy this. I myself would love the electronics. Also, firing missiles could be added to the TIE Interceptor, and the electronics and firing weapons would easily be fitted to the TIE Bomber. Vader's TIE could also easily accomodate the electronics, but I don't want to buy another one and would still rather have the option to fleet build with the regular TIEs that now feature electronics.

Dooku's Solar Sailor could be a very interesting vehicle to do.

The Gungan Sub (Bongo) is long overdue.

I'd like both of Padme's ships.

I think JediMasterSal is yearning to be the nominee to construct this poll.

Yes, I think that a movie-by-movie approach, irregardless of size, might be interesting - we did the figures that way. However, that's NOT what Hasbro asked for. I was there, and while it's open to interpretation, I think they wanted a free-for-all listing poll, irregardless of source or size. With figures, the list is a huge list to manage with hundreds of possibilities. With vehicles, we're already looking at maybe less than 50.

So if the list jumps around in obvious price-points say from the sailbarge to the Lars' landspeeder ($100 - $20), they're not concerned with that. Hasbro will determine what to charge for the toys. While the Star Destroyer might be impossible to make pencil out, we can at least prioritize our demand for the ship and let Hasbro cross it off.

This one can be very, very simple - and that's all it needs to be.

Sal already ran this poll before - we could even just e-mail his previous results - but the Sailbarge took the top slot. I'd predict it will again based on many people's comments around the forums. Now do we need 20 brackett tournament polls and 5 more run-offs to explain this? I think we can just do one listing poll and wind up with very accurate results.

I think the release of the Falcon and AT-TE and talk of Hasbro continuing the BMF trend, has gotten people more optimistic about big vehicles. So I believe, if the poll was run again, the results would be much different.

I would personally prefer these to be broken down by size, since there are so many unmade speeders and podracers that I would never buy and I would hate to see them pushing other, larger, more iconic vehicles out of the top spots.

DarthBrandon
08-05-2008, 06:27 PM
I think the release of the Falcon and AT-TE and talk of Hasbro continuing the BMF trend, has gotten people more optimistic about big vehicles. So I believe, if the poll was run again, the results would be much different.

I would personally prefer these to be broken down by size, since there are so many unmade speeders and podracers that I would never buy and I would hate to see them pushing other, larger, more iconic vehicles out of the top spots.

Amen to that, I agree 100% that it should be broken down according to size.

obi-dad
08-05-2008, 08:01 PM
Size matters not... I was thinking 2 polls, OT & PT, but then again, maybe just a free for all. Like Tycho said, there really aren't that many different vehicles and even less ones that Hasbro would even consider (like a star destroyer or some split second one like the Lars landspeeder in the garage).

I'm sure there are a LOT of vehicles we could find that multiple people on the forums would say they would buy, but getting 7 people to say they would buy some obscure ship or 5+ foot long ship will not convince Hasbro to make it.

I know Jedi Defender's figure list were just enter your top 10 and each vote counted equally, so whatever got the most votes won. That or what the 2nd poll was here where the votes were ranked (#1 worth more than a #10 vote). Both of those methods makes sense to me, but hopefully we could get more than 12 people to vote... I"m thinking I remember at least one of the breakdown threads showing only 12 people voted.

DarkArtist
08-09-2008, 05:10 PM
let's see i would love to see the following ships made:

The Outrider - since we have an all new falcon we need an all new scaled verison of Dash's Ship, plus it's in ANH Special Edition
Imperial TIE Defender - just a great ship design from the PC Game TIE Fighter
The Moldy Crow - Kyle Katarn's trusty rusty tramp freighter from Dark Forces
Imperial Star Destroyer - true it's a pipe dream but a fellow can dream
Tantive IV - another pipe dream but still would be cool to see
Droid Gunship - ROTS - cool design and would good in a droid display
Rebel V-Wing - Rogue Squadron Video Game
Rebel E-Wing - Rogue Squadron Video Game

Devo
08-09-2008, 11:22 PM
Vehicle-wise its OT only for me from here on - I'm not buying the AT-TE and any other PT vehicle would be less necessary in my book (was 'definitely' buying it when I first saw it but my expenditure on 1/6th figures has forced a rethink)

We should probably exclude from our voting the really implausible capital starships, I doubt even extreme bias and vote cheating in this poll would get those made.

candidates I'd vote for:


BMF Desert Skiff (doesn't have to be in scale with hypothetical Sailbarge, just want it to fit all the figures its supposed to with room to fight)

BMF ROTJ AT-ST walker

BMF ESB Rebel transport (same size as the old one but new sculpt)

BMF Jabbas sailbarge

ESB echo base troop carrier (though they'll probably shrink this and stick it in a battle pack)

large wing (BMF) TIE fighter with electronics

edit: BMF Sandcrawler

V-35 (Mos eisley)Landspeeder

void spider airspeeder

and OK I'd buy a BMF Slave I, just don't see a great need for one

Umbra
08-10-2008, 01:03 AM
I'm not a big vehicle guy due to major space issues, even if i like the vehicle like the new TIE. (also, i've missed the Gunship at every release ;-;) but I think Dooku's solar sailor could be realllly cool

Jargo
08-10-2008, 09:07 AM
hasbro wants input on what people want. forget about feasability. leave that to the hasbro guys. if we just list what we want and produce a sheet of data listing them all with a number of how many people have said they want something it doesn't matter about what tops a list. there should be no 'winner' or 'loser' it should just be a list of vehicles with a people percentage next to each one.

That said here's what I'd buy.

ANH
BMF sandcrawler
Imperial landing craft
BMF Dash Rendar's Outrider
V-35 Landspeeder (yellow and white not the Lars' version)
T-16 Skyhopper
Void Spider airspeeder (outside cantina)
A-1 Deluxe floater (used speeder lot and cantina)
Ubrikkian air speeder pod (outside cantina entrance)
S-Flare Swoop (conehead's ride)
BMF Y-wing with attachable/detachable hull plating.

TESB
BMF Slave-1
Echo base flight deck transport

ROTJ
BMF Sail barge Khetanna
BMF Desert Skiff (minus the landing gear and silly 'play' features, plus clear stand)
Imperial speeder bike
BMF AT-ST (2 figure cockpit, stronger hips so the cockpit doesn't droop, sharper detailing)

TPM
Aurra Sing's Swoop (as shown on the POTJ force file not the thing that came with the battle pack)
Naboo Gian landspeeder
Coruscant air taxi
BMF Sith Infiltrator


AOTC
Lars' baby Skyhopper from homestead garage
Rickshaw speeder & droid
Yellow twin pod airspeeder from senate parking lot
Red airspeeder from senate parking lot
Grey airspeeder from senate parking lot
Dooku's solar sailer

ROTS
Palpatines shuttle
Neimoidian shuttle
Bail Organa's airspeeder
Anakin's airspeeder
Jedi airspeeder
Techo union starfighter
Yoda's Dagobah landing pod
Republic army swamp speeder

EU
Dengar's Punishing One
Bossk's Hounds Tooth
IG-88's IG-2000
Zuckuss' Mist Hunter
Kyle Katarn's Moldy Crow

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-10-2008, 01:56 PM
I don't necessarily know if breaking them up into price points would be the best idea, unless done fairly vaguely (as in, small like speeder bikes, medium like Jedi Starfighters, large like X-wings, and extra-large like the BMF).

Should we break them up by film or by trilogy? There may be a few cross-over ships between films, but not any between trilogies. But by film could work too.

Also, I'd like for a tentative list to be set up, with a period of a few days for people to add their own ships to it (after the current free-for-all). That was missing in the figure poll, and I kept thinking of figures I wanted that weren't in the main list.

Tycho
08-11-2008, 07:39 AM
The figure poll MSP did had the write-in phase, movie-by-movie. The voting lists were generated that way.

Then later, after 2 different methods were employed to come up with the Top 50 figures from there, 35 were voted for regardless, signaling that a majority of the list really represents.

As to vehicles, like I said: Hasbro just wanted us to tally up list votes.

People that only want to spend $20 per vehicle will skew their top votes that way, and a majority (I'd guess) will still cast their ballot first for a large "BMF style" Jabba Sailbarge.

All that happens when you split the votes up by movie or size, price point, etc. is that you get to have multiple Top 10's, and then if you put them into a bracket-style run-off, you wind up with the same Top 10 that you would if you just asked for that in the first place.

Now if you look at what Hasbro's done in 2007 (2 vehicles: V-wing, Sith Infiltrator) and 2008 (6 vehicles: AT-TE, BMF, V-19, Homing Spider, Grievous' Fighter, AT-AP), you get the idea that they're willing to do maybe 4 per year as the median??? (I'd wishfully think anyway).

So if we did a Top 10, we basically might then give them a "to do list" for 2-3 years:

2009
Sailbarge
Cloud Car
Tank Droid
Bongo Sub

2010
Droid Gunship
BMF AT-AT
Wookiee Catamaran
Lars Family Landspeeder

2011
Dooku's Solar Sailor
Bail Organa's airspeeder

Then we take a new vote. Maybe we could do a Top 20, but I wouldn't go further than that. There wouldn't be a point and anything beyond a simple list style will just complicate things and probably yeild the same result via just a more confusing and less-straight-forward process.

obi-dad
08-11-2008, 07:55 AM
Vehicle-wise its OT only for me from here on - I'm not buying the AT-TE and any other PT vehicle would be less necessary in my book.

We should probably exclude from our voting the really implausible capital starships, I doubt even extreme bias and vote cheating in this poll would get those made.

My thought almost exactly. I even agree to most of the vehicles he voted for. I wouldn't ban voting on the capital ships, but I definitely won't vote for them. Like I've said before, they would pretty much have to be at least 5 feet long (the Tantive IV to make it even quasi in scale to figures and other vehicles) and between price and size, I don't think they would sell well. And since I want Hasbro to be very successful in all SW avenues they try (they quit making playsets since they've determined playsets weren't profittable), I'm only voting for those I think have a chance to be good sellers (whether I want the actual vehicle or not).

Old Fossil
08-11-2008, 08:13 AM
The only must-haves for me would be:

BMF AT-AT

BMF Sandcrawler

and maybe

BMF Slave I

DarthBrandon
08-11-2008, 09:39 AM
My thought almost exactly. I even agree to most of the vehicles he voted for. I wouldn't ban voting on the capital ships, but I definitely won't vote for them. Like I've said before, they would pretty much have to be at least 5 feet long (the Tantive IV to make it even quasi in scale to figures and other vehicles) and between price and size, I don't think they would sell well. And since I want Hasbro to be very successful in all SW avenues they try (they quit making playsets since they've determined playsets weren't profittable), I'm only voting for those I think have a chance to be good sellers (whether I want the actual vehicle or not).

A 5 foot long Tantive IV is so do-able ( & would be quite successful if done right) as it could be put in a box the same size as the Falcon & broken down into 2 sections much like the mandibles on the Falcon. The rear of the ship is wide & the front is very narrow which would work quite well packaging wise. We get one nice looking ship that serves as a huge a%s playset. Much more fun than re-doing every O.T. ship we already own. I would like some new stuff myself. RBR & SB FOR ME PLEASE HASBRO.

obi-dad
08-11-2008, 10:19 AM
A 5 foot long Tantive IV is so do-able ( & would be quite successful if done right) as it could be put in a box the same size as the Falcon & broken down into 2 sections much like the mandibles on the Falcon.
Well, that's where I (and I'm only speaking for myself here) have to respectively disagree. What others (and I've read of at least 3 people) consider do-able and what I consider do-able are too different things. Yes, Hasbro could make it, but I would predict VERY LOW sales. I read on this site where the original plans for the Falcon were to have it be a foot longer and Hasbro nixed it... on the MOST ICONIC SW ship out there. I've read BMF threads for SSG, RS, JD, GH, ... etc, even on a few local sites where countless people love the design, but due to cost and size, they weren't buying the Falcon. Now, how many more people wouldn't buy the Tantive IV, which has much less screen time and would be significantly larger? If Hasbro made a to-scale & accurate playset/diorama version of the hallway and room that we first see Princess Leia in, I'd be first in line to buy it. But, I'd leave the 5' vehicle, no matter how they boxed it, on the shelf. Again, this is only my opinion, vote for it if you like. My votes will be going to BMF Sailbarge, BMF AT-AT, BMF AT-ST, BMF sandcrawler, larger jabba's skiff, updated clould car, Echo base flight deck transport, and possibly BMF Slave1.

bigbarada
08-11-2008, 11:36 AM
Well, that's where I (and I'm only speaking for me here) have to respectively dissagree. What others (and I've read of at least 3 people) consider do-able and what I consider do-able are too different things. Yes, Hasbro could make it, but I would predict VERY LOW sales. I read on this site where the original plans for the Falcon were to have it be a foot longer and Hasbro nixed it... on the MOST ICONIC SW ship out there. I've read BMF threads for SSG, RS, JD, GH, ... etc, even on a few local sites where countless people love the design, but due to cost and size, they weren't buying the Falcon. Now, how many more people wouldn't buy the Tantive IV, which has much less screen time and would be significantly larger? If Hasbro made a to-scale & accurate version of the hallway and room that we first see Princess Leia in, I'd be first in line to buy it. But, I'd leave the 5' vehicle, no matter how they boxed it, on the shelf. Again, this is only my opinion, vote for it if you like. My votes will be going to BMF Sailbarge, BMF AT-AT, BMF AT-ST, BMF sandcrawler, larger jabba's skiff, updated clould car, Echo base flight deck transport, and possibly BMF Slave1.

Agreed, I would have devoted 5 ft. to the Falcon, if Hasbro had decided to make it full scale to the figures. I would also devote 5 feet to a BMF AT-AT; but that's it. I wouldn't buy a 5 foot long Blockade Runner, not even on clearance for $50. I just wouldn't want to devote that much space to it.

Maybe a 5 foot long Medical Frigate, but only if I could mount it on a wall.

Cane_Adiss
08-11-2008, 12:34 PM
I nominate these to make the polls:

1. Jabba's Sail Barge (Khettana)
2. Twin Pod Cloud Car (all new)
3. Cruisemissile Trooper (all new)
4. Luke's landspeeder (all new)
5. Endor Speeder bike (all new)
6. Bongo (Gungan sub)
7. Swoop (as seen in ANH special edition)

Tycho
08-11-2008, 03:13 PM
I also wanted the question answered "could a company produce made-to-order capital ships?"

There would be a non-refundable deposit required upon pre-order. My 5 foot Blockade Runner was estimated to run $250 if mass-produced. I don't know if it'd HAVE to cost that much, but let's say it did.

If you wanted it, you'd be required to put 50% down, or maybe $100 and have it be non-refundable. The other $150 would be charged at the time the product was ready to ship - with "warning - about to be charged, e-mails" like SideShow does.

Then the company producing these would profit almost 2-fold if people canceled an order and they re-sold the same physical ship in a "second-chance offer." Though they wouldn't have to take the ship out of production, ever. It would just be "made to order." However, they could adjust the paint on the Tantive IV from ANH to ROTS, for example.

With a Star Destroyer, I'm not sure how they'd vary it, but maybe something major like having one be prepared for Vader, another for Grand Admiral Thrawn. Or packaging differences? Exclusive differences?

Anyway, I'm not sure how the cost-revenue model would look for a made-to-order model, but you'd need some incentive to get as many early orders as possible - like SideShow does with their exclusive ordering windows on pre-order days. That way you'd recover the mold production costs as quickly as possible, which would be necessary in any business model.

My ship cost me about $700 to make - partially because I made some mistakes and went back to correct them. But assuming you could get the costs down, the more you sold, the lower the average cost per ship of course.

Ando
08-11-2008, 04:05 PM
I would like to see a new Outrider (roughly the same size as the old Falcon mold) and a new Slave I in both Jango and Boba color schemes.

DarthBrandon
08-11-2008, 07:18 PM
I also wanted the question answered "could a company produce made-to-order capital ships?"

There would be a non-refundable deposit required upon pre-order. My 5 foot :love:was estimated to run $250 if mass-produced. I don't know if it'd HAVE to cost that much, but let's say it did.

If you wanted it, you'd be required to put 50% down, or maybe $100 and have it be non-refundable. The other $150 would be charged at the time the product was ready to ship - with "warning - about to be charged, e-mails" like SideShow does.

Then the company producing these would profit almost 2-fold if people canceled an order and they re-sold the same physical ship in a "second-chance offer." Though they wouldn't have to take the ship out of production, ever. It would just be "made to order." However, they could adjust the paint on the Tantive IV from ANH to ROTS, for example.

With a Star Destroyer, I'm not sure how they'd vary it, but maybe something major like having one be prepared for Vader, another for Grand Admiral Thrawn. Or packaging differences? Exclusive differences?

Anyway, I'm not sure how the cost-revenue model would look for a made-to-order model, but you'd need some incentive to get as many early orders as possible - like SideShow does with their exclusive ordering windows on pre-order days. That way you'd recover the mold production costs as quickly as possible, which would be necessary in any business model.

My ship cost me about $700 to make - partially because I made some mistakes and went back to correct them. But assuming you could get the costs down, the more you sold, the lower the average cost per ship of course.

This could be a decent Idea, & I would definately support a Blockade Runner along with a Sailbarge.:thumbsup: I'm not sure why people would not want a RBR or Sailbarge, but they want all the old vehicles re-sized. I'm not sure I want to devote space to already made vehicles many times over to get them a little bigger. Since I have all the ships they released (with multiples of many) thus far that I wanted, I don't believe I need the BMF treatment on say an AT-AT, AT-ST, Skiff, Clould Car, Rebel Transport, or Slave1. I'd much rather have something that has not been made or been re-done in a while (like you Tycho) like a Blockade Runner (could be 3 to 4 feet long for all I care as long as it's made, or just give me a hollow shell to work with) or the Sailbarge. I'm pretty sure if they decide to BMF the AT-AT/AT-ST, Slave 1 or even the Sandcrawler they would flop sales wise. The AT-AT did not have stellar sales 1st & 2nd time around (they went on clearance or are still on the shelves), the same for the Sandcrawler & the others weren't flying off the shelves either. I really can't see people lining up to get their BMF AT-AT or Sandcrawler (I'd really like to see this one done though) if the the 1st & 2nd round didn't fair that great & now they will have to pay more for it on top that. The Falcon IMHO is about the only ship that could pull it off & the word on it's sale stats aren't out yet. I really hope the larger vehicles do great on the market as it could leave room for things that have not been made to be done properly. I hope we can have a poll for large vehicles not yet made along with a poll for mid size vehicles. We can also have a poll for re-do's if that's what others want as well (I can respect that I guess). Myself the only other BMF vehicles I would buy besides the Falcon/RBR/ or Sailbarge is the Sandcrawler (needs justice to be done on it) & Palpy's Shuttle from ROTS. If Hasbro does not produce the following mentioned above I will save a great deal of money. If Hasbro decides to go the route of re-do's then again I will save a great deal of money. Either way it's a win win situation for me.lol

BTW I hope the answer to the question is if Hasbro won't do it , they will get someone else who will.

Another cool idea could be the build a BMF ship concept for the RBR a la ultimate battle pack concept. You could have the cockit in one, the mid section split into two different battle packs, the rear also broken down into 2 battle packs along with figures & accessories (tables chairs, gun racks etc) & you have one cool concept. 60X5 is $300.00, but you get a ton of figures/accessories; plus you get to put together one cool a** ship. On a side note the Rebel Blockade was originally supposed to be the Falcon until they switched it to the one we've grown to love over the years.

FundingMyAddiction
08-18-2008, 10:58 PM
I'd love to see huge versions of a Sandcrawler and the Slave I.

For other vehicles, Dooku's Solar Sailor ranks at the top for me, followed by Palpatine's Shuttle, Jabba's Sail Barge, and Yoda's Escape Pod.

Also, a new Cloud Car (though I know they said it isn't "aggressive enough").

Jaff
08-18-2008, 11:04 PM
I would be extremely happy if they made an AT-ST to scale. If the legs detatched the box would be no bigger than the Ultimate Battle Packs.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Bongo or more, to scale vehicles. If they are to scale I'll buy em.

I would just like to request no more Jedi starfighters, TIE's of any kind, X-Wing's, B-Wings, Y-Wings, A-Wings or any other constantly rehashed vehicles. Stop with the rehashing. Make new stuff, and make it to scale, otherwise don't make anything at all. Vehicles are peg warmers in most stores, it's because it's the same old stuff, just walk into a toys R Us and you can plainly see it.

bigduke6
08-19-2008, 06:24 PM
Larger AT-AT
Larger Y Wing

cookiemonster
08-19-2008, 07:38 PM
EU - Imperial Troop Transport (Vintage Kenner)
EU - Right Scaled Outrider
EU - Hounds Tooth
EU - The Virago
EU - Any of the Mini Rigs (Vintage Kenner)

ANH - Tantive IV
ANH - Proper Scaled X-Wing
ANH - Proper Scaled Y-Wing
ANH - Proper Scaled Sandcrawler
ANH - A New Landspeeder

ESB - Rebel Troop Transporter (Vintage Kenner)
ESB - Cloud Car
ESB - AT-AT
ESB - Proper Scaled Snowspeeder
ESB - The Millennium Falcon (with a New Smuggler Land (done correct this time) and Chewbacca)

ROTJ - AT-ST Walker
ROTJ - Speeder Bike
ROTJ - Correct colored B-Wing
ROTJ - Home One
ROTJ - Jabbas Skiff

JediTricks
08-19-2008, 11:56 PM
I dunno what it is, but it seems like we're not getting any traction here, no poll ideas. I'm really exhausted right now, but we need the brain trust to get on this.

Cane_Adiss
08-20-2008, 12:08 AM
I think the poll should just be a one round thing, since there are far fewer vehicles than characters that can plausibly be made. Everyone should submit a list of the ten or 15 vehicles they'd most like to see made, in order from most wanted to least wanted. The poll would include vehicles from all movies and the EU. The point system could be used like in the character polls with your first choice getting 10 or 15 points and so on. When the poll ends we just compile the results and we'll have a list of 15 or so vehicles we as a community would most like to see done.

Tycho
08-20-2008, 01:00 AM
I think the poll should just be a one round thing, since there are far fewer vehicles than characters that can plausibly be made. Everyone should submit a list of the ten or 15 vehicles they'd most like to see made, in order from most wanted to least wanted. The poll would include vehicles from all movies and the EU. The point system could be used like in the character polls with your first choice getting 10 or 15 points and so on. When the poll ends we just compile the results and we'll have a list of 15 or so vehicles we as a community would most like to see done.

That's all Hasbro wants.

Of course we could alphabetize the poll winners. Then divide their score by 6, then alter the results so the next vehicles we record for the list are whichever crafts made an appearence in their respective movie immediately prior to that first vehicle being seen. Then we could take these new vehicles, and alter the list again, recording the third ship to be seen after that vehicle makes its appearence in the movie, unless the name of the vehicle starts with the letter "T." In that case, the next vehicle to appear in a film that is piloted by a Sith Lord will be recorded. Then the scores will all be re-tallied. Those vehicle's scores will be multiplied by 7.142 with that exactly 2 subtracted from that new total. Those vehicles will be then re-ordered but re-arranged so they are listed in descending movie order - for example ROTJ to TPM. Then I think we can present this final list to Hasbro with a 9 page guide to the rules that established the system we used to tally these scores.

There - that is an idea on how to conduct this poll. Or we can just list the top 10 vehicles that we each want to buy - regardless of size or genre - from most-wanted to less-wanted, and we'd be giving Hasbro what THEY want. :rolleyes:

Why does everyone want to make this so complicated? What Cane Adiss is suggesting was what should have been done the week after Comic Con. It will not be up to us what size a vehicle is, what price it will be, or what sources Hasbro chooses their products to be made from. We just give them a list. I guess mine is:

1) Jabba's Sailbarge
2) Corporate Alliance Tank Droid
3) Droid Gunship
4) Wookiee Catamaran
5) Clone TurboTank
6) Twin Pod Cloud Car
7) IG-2000
8) Prince Xizor's Virago
9) Gungan Bongo Sub
10) Naboo Gian Landspeeder

I think... But if they made all of the above, I'd buy it. I want the Lars Family Landspeeder and a Yuuzhan Vong Corral Skipper too, though.

Cane_Adiss
08-20-2008, 10:23 AM
My final list would be (i think):

1. Jabba's Sail Barge
2. Cruisemissile Trooper (all new)
3. Twin Pod Cloud Car
4. Xizor's Virago
5. Gungan Bongo
6. Luke's Landspeeder (all new)
7. "Octopus Ship" (from the Clone Wars movie)
8. Asajj Ventress's starfighter (from Clone Wars cartoon)
9. Speeder Bike (ROTJ all new)
10. Guri's Stinger

JediTricks
08-21-2008, 04:40 PM
I think it has to be at least 2 rounds, or else the results are spread too thin. How many vehicles do we have so far?

Banthaholic
08-21-2008, 08:48 PM
I think we def need to include some of the smaller scale vehicles. I know alot of us are in awe at the upcoming Yavin battle pack because of the inclussion of the sled, and would like future battle packs to have similar offerings. Maybe results from a poll like this could spark this.

Small scale I'd like to see:
- troop transport from Hoth
- Bail Organa's ROTS speeder
- Yoda's escape pod
- Lar's family Speeder
- small speeder Anakin took to get in on Mace vs Sideous
- Swoop that ran into Roto in Ep IV SE
- Droid fighters in CW blue deco
- Rickshaw droid and cart from E2
- Geonosis Execusion cart
- Palpatine's senate 'pod'
- E1 naboo speeder

Additionally I'd like to see
- Jabba's Sailbarge
- Imperial Landing Craft
- Cloud Car
- Specific Rebel Pilot versions fo snowspeeder, b-wing, x-wing, y-wing, a-wing
- Bongo
- MTT
- Chrome Naboo Starfighter E2 version
- Solar Sailer
- Clone Cannon's from E2
- Wookie Catamoran (sp)
- Droid gunship
- Droid tanks
- Turbotank

EU
-Ventress's ship from Clone Wars Volume 1 cartoons
- Magnaguard starfighter
- and the ship Anakin & Ahsoka took to Tatooine in the Clone Wars movie

JediTricks
08-22-2008, 09:05 PM
My first concern was that smaller vehicles would get crushed by the more popular, larger ones, but the separate polls would make that work out in the results.

I hate to say it, but I think after Hasbro's answer on the speederbike, we're gonna have to put it into the poll.

FundingMyAddiction
08-28-2008, 09:50 PM
My final list would be (i think):
8. Asajj Ventress's starfighter (from Clone Wars cartoon)


I can't believe I forgot that one. I'd definitely want the fan-blade fighter too. I think they could make a pretty interesting vehicle out of it.

jedi master sal
09-17-2008, 08:25 AM
So is anyone going to make the official poll or what? Are we using the info in this discussion thread instead?

Shame to see this has dropped off the first page...

Tycho
09-17-2008, 11:33 AM
I agree with you Sal.

jedi master sal
09-17-2008, 03:37 PM
I agree with you Sal.

Say, how have you been Tycho?

Isn't your surgery coming up soon?

Hope all is well bro, or will be VERY SOON!

Tycho
09-17-2008, 11:08 PM
Thanks Sal. We'll PM the rest, but everyone can know my surgery is hopefully happening October 21.

From day to day, I feel good sometimes, and badly most of the time. I'll post an update in the General Discussion section I guess.

JediTricks
09-18-2008, 04:21 PM
No, we're not going to use this thread. I think people are just not as interested in participating, unfortunately. The number of ideas in here has been pretty much limited to just a list of their personal wants, no concepts on how to run it or anything. And we need someone with a lot of drive to do this with a statistician's eye, right now nobody is compiling a list of vehicles suggested, nobody is coming up with voting concepts. I am very busy lately, so until I get some more free time, I can't run this myself.

Tycho
09-20-2008, 02:47 AM
What's so complicated?

Ask people to make a list of their ranked Top 10 and then tabulate the data.

That's all Hasbro wants to look at.

Not a list of how all the ships rank alphabetically if they're spelled backwards (there goes any advantage for the A-wing)

JediTricks
09-22-2008, 08:38 PM
It's unscientific this way. Look at the data we handed them from MSP's polls, that was much better.

Tycho
09-23-2008, 01:54 AM
I didn't realize that you were a scientist! That's great. Can you make a better Incredible Hulk?

Anyway, MadSlantedPowers was able to such a great job and provide such interesting data because there were so many possibilities - like 175 at least.

Vehicles are no where near that number, even if you include EU offerings. It's not that complicated and I'm all for not making it become so.

jedi master sal
09-23-2008, 09:14 AM
I have to concur.

I DID propose a couple of options for the poll. We shouldn't have a poll on how to run the poll. Let's just do this and get the info no matter how detailed, scientific or not.

To say that noone had stepped up to the plate is (to be nice) untruthful. I've run the vehicle poll for a couple of years now and as stated above proposed a couple of ways to run a new one.

If it's just a matter of the way in which it was run, then someone else might want to propose a new plan. Otherwise, we're remaining stagnant and that doesn't at all look well upon us as a website, or fans' interest in vehicles altogether.

If the info we give Hasbro isn't what they want, let them tell us that. And let them tell us how they want it presented. Tycho mentioned that they were interested in our info. So I'd think regardless of specifics, any info we can give them will be beneficial.

I know I ran the vehicle poll quickly last time. If it needs to be a slower pace so we can potentially get more involvement so be it.

However it should be noted that not all collectors collect vehicles, and there are not as many vehicles to choose from.

So there really isn't as great a need to have a long drawn out poll.

Here's another proposal:

Have a poll for all the vehicles, but alongside that run sub-categories of polls.
These sub-categories can be:
Size
Cost
Each specific Movie/EU

This way we can give Hasbro detailed info on which ships we like in what order of each main size grouping (Small/Medium/Large), as well as pricepoint ($20-30/$30-50/$50+), and again preference per movie (six seperate mini polls-one for each movie and another that encompasses EU).

In doing so, we let Hasbro know which ships at what sizes and costs and from what movies are most deisired. The overall poll will basically be a popularity contest kind of thing, but will have notations in the info we give Hasbro to say how those ships faired in the sub-category polls.

To start this all off we ask everyone to list vehicles they'd like to see made (that they would buy...). Direct reference for each ship needs to be given for obscure ships-meaning background vehicles form the movies and ANY EU ship as that is not in the mainstream of the overall fandom. While we collectors may know for instance who owns the Lady Luck, chances are, the average fan doesn't. If a person doesn't know the name of a ship, but what it looks like, then describe it in the post and I'm sure someone here can help figure out which ship that person means.

A running list would be kept in the first post of the ship/vehicle proposal thread and it will be asked of anyone adding to the list, not to repeat ships already listed.

Since I've experienced this first hand, I know that the vehicle list can get a bit out of hand with very obscure ships. So, while people may like the ship, it should be urged to take into account a reasonable possibility of it being made. Very nearly all of the obscure ships from the last poll dropped off the radar after the first or second stages of the last vehicle poll.

We don't want to muddy up the list with say 100 EU ships that really have no chance of being made. Movie ships of course are going to get the most interest from Hasbro (based on the history of the line thus far), so everyone needs to consider that.

This is why it would be important to have the subcategories of polls. This way EU doesn't get forgotten.

Okay, so how about that for a poll plan with details?

Ando
09-23-2008, 09:48 AM
That sounds like a plan and a half, JMS.

bigbarada
09-23-2008, 11:22 AM
Weren't the figure polls broken down by films with a separate poll for EU? I think it should be the same with the vehicles except, since there aren't as many per movie (especially in the OT), then the polls should be broken down by Prequel Trilogy, Original Trilogy, and EU.

The Clone Wars series' would be lumped in with Prequel era stuff and any vehicles that people want from the Droids and Ewoks cartoons would fall into the EU category. For example, if someone really wanted the White Witch, Trigon or a new Ewok Battle Wagon, then they would vote for those in the EU poll.

jedi master sal
09-23-2008, 04:45 PM
That's not a bad idea either BB. So three sections PT, OT, EU.

That sounds reasonable.

We could have people list their top 10 from each of the three sections, then list their top 10 over all from the 30 they listed in the specific section polls. That would be a good way to break it down per era, as well as give the overall popularity.

I guess it's going to depend on how much info do we want to give Hasbro and how broken down into specific bits do we want to show this info.

Tycho
09-23-2008, 10:48 PM
I want to put it on record again, that I support JediMasterSal running an OFFICIAL site poll for this subject, just like I supported MadSlantedPowers on the action figure poll. JMS can use similar methods to MSP, too. It's just that JMS has had a stake in the vehicles on this site for so long, it is being respectful to him to let him run this poll. Furthermore, he's open-minded and seems to have BigBarada (and myself) in concurence with his thoughts on how to do this. Let's just get it done.

I also want to add - with no disrespect to my friend JT - that MadSlantedPowers just started his poll and didn't wait for JT's approval if I recollect. As long as posts don't break the forum rules here, members can start whatever threads they want. Look at some of my crazy topics I started (everyone sniff their Mouse Droid....whewww! That was a good one. OK - where was I? Oh right. The poll....)

So what I'm saying is (Green Martians eating my brain!!!!) is that JMS should just start it, maybe with OFFICIAL in the title (and starting with an explanation of how many polls there will be, and the process etc. - trying to be brief, moreso than thorough) and if EVERYONE is participating, JT will support it as the official site poll as we're all already participating. That's what happened with MSP's poll - and trust me, JT did not want to buy the Lars family action figures, and espcially not Jocasta Nu! (Jedi Librarian action figures rock! I wonder if we could vote on her having a library book cart in the vehicle poll? It could have a hidden pop-out proton torpedo launcher with a bright pink missile.)

Anyway, let's just get the show on the road - and support Jocasta Nu's library book cart in the next vehicle poll!

bigbarada
09-24-2008, 12:05 AM
The only thing to really consider is should there be a cap placed on the vehicle size or pricepoint? This wasn't much of an issue for figures, with the exception of beasts and Jabba the Hutt, so it was easy to say that only figures that could fit on a standard 6" by 9" action figure card would qualify.

So what about vehicles that would blow away even the BMF Falcon's size and MSRP? I'm sure we could fill the entire top five with 5'-6' toys like Star Destroyers and Blockade Runners that would push the $200-$300 pricepoint, but would that really be in the best interest of the poll? Because it's pretty much a guarantee that none of those toys would ever get made.

I would propose that we place a size limit of 30 inches on the longest side (the length of the BMF Falcon) and $150 maximum price. If it can't be made properly with those two criteria, then it doesn't qualify to be included in the poll. That would exclude the Star Destroyers, Droid Control Ships, Death Stars, etc.

It's just a suggestion to keep the poll from going too far out of reality and it won't bother me if you decide not to limit it in that way.

jedi master sal
09-24-2008, 08:40 AM
I have to concur with you completely on this BB.

While I'd love to have a Star Destroyer and Tantive IV toy, I KNOW Hasbro would never do it justice to the size, since they are Massive ships. So yes, let's keep the ship size to a minimum, taking into account for relative accuracy of the vehicle.

That means NO star destroyer, no Tantive IV (yes, I know there was a prototype LONG ago...ever wonder why it never saw the light of day...and let's not forget the utter disappointment felt by most of us at the lack of size issue with Darth Maul's ship...).

Now this begs the question then, do we include the Sandcralwer, Jabba's Sailbarge, and the Turbo Tank. I say yes to all three as at the size BB mentioned they'd be "relative" to size in scale. Comparing those to say the AT-AT, which we all know is grossly unscaled, yet still a great toy.

Okay, so I'm going to take some time today and get this all planned out, then I'll start a post for vehicle/ship submissions. Again folks, PLEASE keep the obscure ships to a minimum. As said before, these fall off dramtically in the polls anyways as most of us, even the hardcore collectors just don't have a clue as to what the ships are. Taking that into account if even WE dont' know the ships, what makes anyone think the "average" fan would be interested in them enough to warrant production?

Movie ships yes, this includes the cartoon movie as well as the cartoon tv shows. EU yes, but please try and keep those submissions to more well known ships/vehicles.

Look for the submissions thread in a day and the poll to follow a few days after that, once we've established a good list of ships. Details about submissions will be in that thread.

-Sal

Tycho
09-24-2008, 10:53 AM
Sal, I think I might still vote for a star destroyer, depending upon how many options you allow us (number of ships one can list - say a Top 10 versus a Top 20).

The star destroyer can be done for those who remember GI Joe's USS Flag aircraft carrier. Yeah, I remember Hasbro saying they lost money on that and "never again." But who knows? Star Wars can sell things like the BMF.

Anyway, I'd be looking for a 7-9 footer. Out of scale yes, but capable of at least launching the TIE Bomber (a very flat-winged TIE) - and exactly how I'd build a custom one.

Anyway, if you limit me to 10 choices, I might stick with more things I need and KNOW that Hasbro can make - like the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid which fits the $20 price point nicely. (Hasbro hinted to me at Comic Con that they are making this, actually. Should we vote for it to support it, or take it for granted that it's coming out and for that reason choose other ships and ignore the Tank Droid?)

But for me, any list begins with Jabba's Sailbarge, and then whatever else I have room for depending upon the poll's instructions and limitations.

Then again, you could just ask me to list everything I want in ranked order: Sailbarge down to ship #35 or something. Then you could just take my Top 10 and ignore the rest - say if a Yuuzhan Vong Corral Skipper is my vote #11 and that doesn't make your cut-off for the rank number you will work with.

To me, while I'm disappointed I can't get all of my 35 ranked ships, Hasbro is not going to make 35 ships in one-to-two years. So Sal can create a final ranked list of our Top 10, and then repeat the polling process when they are all made, shipped, stocked, and bought by happy collectors, after the passage of one-or-two more years. Then maybe a Yuuzhan Vong Corral Skipper would be the most recognizeable and desirable ship left to be made - in 2014 or something. (They have the licence until 2018 anyway)

But a star destroyer might be #15 or something on my list, because the IG-2000 is more plausable even if it's EU status makes it less recognizeable (IG-88's ship from SOTE) but I'll rank the destroyer if given enough options to do so.

jedi master sal
09-24-2008, 02:14 PM
Okay, here's what I'm thinking.
First we have the thread for people to give suggestions of vehicles/ships they would like to see made (and would buy).

From there we'll pare it down to OT, PT, EU.

Once the final list is made of suggestions, I'll list them in one of the three categories. Next to the entry, I'll also put an approximate pricepoint, link to what the ship looks like (this is why I need anyone submitting suggestions to post a link of their suggestions), and if need be a brief description of where the ship is most notable from. If a movie ship, then I'll say which movie and about what seen it's most prevalent in. If it's EU, then I'll look up the links provided by members. Members please be advised that I may ask you for more information on your suggestions, especialy with regards to obscure/EU ships. So be prepared to help. It's not only I that will need this, but letting Hasbro know EXACTLY what the source is for the ship will help to sell it to them.

There will be four polls. One each for the sections: OT, PT, EU. As well the fourth one for the overall popularity of any ships from the list that will be generated by member suggestions.

This fourth poll is important as some people may not like EU at all, or other not the PT. So by being able to vote in overall popularity, they can put all their votes towards one facet they like, if they wish.

In each section poll, you will be asked to pick your top ten. If there are ten CLEAR winners, then no run-off poll will be needed for a given section. If the votes are close, then we'll have a run-off of the close ones ONLY to determine the top ten.

For the overall poll, you will pick 20. See how this enables you to slant it towards your liking... This will create a run-off for the top ten.

After these polls, I'll tabulate the info, and pass on to Hasbro the top 10 from each poll, as well as the from top to bottom each associated approximate pricepoint.

Now for an added bit of fun, we will have a FIFTH poll. This one will be for those absolutely wild ideas that Hasbro may never do. THIS is where you will suggest/vote for ships like the Tantive IV, Star Destroyer and the like. Since we know it's unlikely for Hasbro to make these, we don't want to water down the polls by including them in. However we also do not want to totally alienate them either as however unlikely they may be, there may eventually be a possibility of them being made. You may include your suggestions for this poll in with the suggestion thread, but be fair warned that I will use reasonable judgement to include/not include them in the regular polls and that you may end up seeing them in the fifth poll instead.

This fifth poll is not just about SIZE of ships, but also VERY obscure ships as well. Again, I'm going to use common sense on this. If a ship is only mentioned in one or two places (books, comics, card games, etc.) then it's likely going into the 5th poll. If it's been showcased however in some fashion, but just isn't as well known as movie ships then it does have the opportunity to be in the regular polls.

Example, TX-130 Saber Tank. Not only has this vehicle appeared in video games, but comics as well, and will soon be a LEGO ship. So there is substantial reason to put this in the regular polls.

I will come up with a preliminary list of all five polls from the suggestions. If anyone feels that a ship on the 5th poll should go into the main poll and one of the sub-category polls, they please respond in that thread and why. Please not just an answer of something on the order of "because I want it." Make your case as to why it should be on the other polls. This isn't to be argumentative either. It could be I don't know all of the sources for a suggested ship and that it's more popular than I thought. So you'll just be enlightening me. However this does also open up the chance for rebuttal from other members who may look to strike down your argument. I'll weigh all these points carefully, make a decision on any contested ships, then make the final poll lists.

Again from there you will post your top 10 IN ORDER from 1 to 10. A number 1 vote will get 10 points a number 2 vote will get 9 points, etc. The main poll will work the same except it will be your votes from 1-20, with 1 being worth 20 points.

I'll begin the suggestion poll tomorrow, so start thinking of ships/vehicles to suggest AND get your references (links) ready!

We're moving forward with this thing! LET'S ROLL!!!!

Tycho
09-25-2008, 02:42 AM
Many thanks and Kudos to JediMasterSal. His proposal will be accurate and fair.

For those needing reference links for their ships that Sal requested:

www.wookieepedia.com

www.starwars.com

www.wikipedia.org (last resort)

Just go to one of these sites, type in the name of what you're suggesting in the search bar, and copy the URL in your address bar and post it here (in Sal's new poll thread, rather) with the link tool in your reply box (the globe with the chain link beneath it)

It's a fair request from Sal so he doesn't have to do all the work.

jedi master sal
09-25-2008, 08:43 AM
Suggestion poll posted!!! Please go there to start suggesting your vehicles/ships!

Go here for that thread.
http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?p=640060#post640060
That is the OFFICIAL start to the vehicle/ship polls.

-Sal

JediTricks
09-25-2008, 08:47 PM
I don't mean to insult you Sal. That said, the truth is that I don't find the vehicle polls done in the forums in the past to be very scientific, never have, which is why I've never put them in the news and when you came to me asking to do this, I said I wanted it done differently. This should not be a surprise to you, we discussed it in PM enough that I bothered creating this very thread over it.

I didn't say nobody stepped up to the plate, I said "nobody is compiling a list of vehicles suggested, nobody is coming up with voting concepts" and that's was true, it's not meant to hurt your feelings or demean you, it's meant to point out that those things are not happening in this project.

And might I point out Sal that before this week, you had 2 posts in this thread, and they weren't giving ideas, so don't give me grief on this.


I'll say it again, if someone has the drive to put together a list of all the potential vehicles needed, that'd go a long way to making a good choice.



Weren't the figure polls broken down by films with a separate poll for EU? I think it should be the same with the vehicles except, since there aren't as many per movie (especially in the OT), then the polls should be broken down by Prequel Trilogy, Original Trilogy, and EU.I like that idea, "phase 1" that way, then "phase 2" is against each other.


The Clone Wars series' would be lumped in with Prequel era stuff and any vehicles that people want from the Droids and Ewoks cartoons would fall into the EU category. For example, if someone really wanted the White Witch, Trigon or a new Ewok Battle Wagon, then they would vote for those in the EU poll.Makes sense.


Tycho, you may want to consider whether or not the site supports the poll. Whether it gets put in the news and how the site's weight gets put behind it when it's turned in. And since this is SEPTEMBER, the only close-by event I know of to even give it to them will be Toy Fair, so again, it'll need site support. But don't expect me to give my endorsement if I don't agree with its methods, and don't even think of using "official" in the title without checking with Steve or me first. You have some nerve claiming I supported MSP's poll because of who voted for it - half those voters wouldn't have been there if I hadn't put it in the news. We discussed the methods ahead of time, and while we didn't agree on how to run it, his presentation was scientific and open enough that even though I felt it wasn't the best method, it was worthy of being supported before the second vote came in. I stand by my convictions, and a handful of votes isn't going to be enough to sway me if I don't believe in something. So anybody trusting you on this matter is being led down the primrose path.

JediTricks
09-25-2008, 08:58 PM
Just looked over the poll. It's way too wordy, I can't actually figure out what it's saying. There are too many provisos and confusing concepts in that opening post. I am not lying when I say that reading the opening post in that suggestion thread was painful. Asking readers to keep up with the list without actually providing one at the opening post was unrealistic as well.

I am not trying to criticize because of a power trip or personality conflict, I am making constructive criticism to ensure that the final result is the best one we can produce. You might have noticed that folks are doubling up concepts already, a clearer explanation might have avoided that.


BTW, do we have a timeline for this series of polls yet? Any idea when we're going to give them results if we start now?


And Tycho, what the hell are you talking about, links updating in 12 hours? You mean you're going to link those vehicles? Does that really warrant a big to-do in your post, one requesting the reader's attention more than the actual entries? It shouldn't.

Tycho
09-25-2008, 09:18 PM
And Tycho, what the hell are you talking about, links updating in 12 hours? You mean you're going to link those vehicles? Does that really warrant a big to-do in your post, one requesting the reader's attention more than the actual entries? It shouldn't.

I had to go to dialysis and I wanted to post my Want-List. Now I'm having company over in a few minutes, so I wanted to explain why I didn't follow Sal's directions. Using the EDIT button, I'll be able to, but except for maybe the IG-2000, Virago, and Corral Skipper, I think most people already are familiar with my choices anyway. Still, I will provide a picture of Jabba the Hutt's sailbarge in case anyone doesn't recognize it.

Then I'll delete my message (in bold) about the update.

JediTricks
09-25-2008, 10:13 PM
Dude, trust me, not many folks followed the rules, you don't need to blast them with "I AM LINKING, HERE IT GOES, 12 HOURS FROM NOW"

Tycho
09-26-2008, 02:31 AM
Hey, anything I can do to help....:yes:

jedi master sal
09-26-2008, 01:56 PM
JT, I personally think the figure poll was WAY more confusing than the new vehicle polls/suggestion thread. Could I have boiled down the explanation, sure. However it would have been at the cost of understanding how the polls would work and why people might consider suggesting ships and where those suggestions would have been placed.

If I had simply said something on the order of "ok folks post your wants here." Then said AFTER the fact that I'd be separating them (as I stated I was going to) there would have been an outcry no doubts from all sides.

So by explaining it in detail, there should be no questions as to why certain ships are being placed in certain polls.

On the timeline...

I already thought the first suggestion post was long enough and didn't want to have people read yet more info (that wasn't pertinent to the suggestion thread specifically).

The polls may run shorter or longer depending on how many ships there are per sub-category. Most likely there will be run-off polls, so I as yet can't clearly state exactly how long it will be.

However I'll venture an estimate, but it's just that, so take it with a grain of salt.

Let's say we get 150 suggestions. All of those go in the main poll. People will be allow to vote for their top 20 out of that list. Depending on the vote count, we'll take 40-50 of the top vote getters on to a run-off poll. The reason for the range of 40-50 is to allow for clear vote getters to move on, while some near the 40-50 top vote getters may be so close in votes that we'll have to move them on to the next phase. Let's say the top 40 are pretty clear in amount of votes, but the next 5 all have the same amount of votes then the next 3 after that have one voted less each, then there is a reasonably large gap of votes for the next closest. It would mean we'd take 48 ships into the next poll and vote again on these but only our top 10. I'll rank all of the 48 by number of votes as well as give votes points based on what position they were voted in, per member's vote list. This will let Hasbro know not only how many votes a ship received, but how popular it was.

The same method will be applied to the subcategory polls. However since they will have less ships than the main poll, we may only need one phase in a specific poll.

The basic schedule for the suggestions/polls will be like this:
After the suggestions have been made and the deadline passes, I'll post the preliminary polls. Cases can be made at this time for ships to be moved to a different section. This will have a one week period for changes. Once that week is up, the final poll lists will be made.
The first poll will be the OT, then PT, then EU, then Fantasy. Each poll will run for one week. However, if there is a large amount of ships in one section compared to the others, that sub-category poll may run an additional few days to hold a run-off poll.
The final Main poll will take two weeks, as we will most definitely have a run-off poll. So all told it's going to take at least 9 weeks but could be more, from now until the end of all of the polls. That will put us into December.
That's good timing in a way. First it's like a small present to Hasbro for Christmas. (well our wish lists....but also a present in the sense that it's free market research from the most devoted fans) As well, it's something we can post on the main page for the beginning of 2009 to help kick the new year off.

As to asking folks to read over the suggestion thread, I don't think that's too much to ask. Nor is providing a link to the ship they are suggesting. Beyond helping me out as well as providing references for Hasbro, it will weed out the most obscure ships. Obscurity in figures is one thing. Obscurity in vehicles where the slots for product is much more limiting is quite another thing. And again, given past history of the vehicle polls, the obscure ships have never faired all that well with maybe one or two rare exceptions. (Hence the fantasy poll to allow for some recognition of those most obscure vehicles.)

The polls will be very straightforward. The list gets posted in the first post of the poll. Depending on how many entries for that category will depend on how many you can vote for. I'll post that then, not now, as I don't yet know the number of ships per category. Number of votes and placement of votes will be tabulated and if need a run-off poll will be conducted.

Rinse and repeat for subsequent polls...

JediTricks
10-03-2008, 03:02 PM
I'm sorry, what did you just say Sal? I got all crosseyed looking at that post. :p Seriously though, if it can't be said in a simple fashion, it's not going to get through. Asking people to read over all that material may not be asking too much, but it is asking too much because they simply won't do it. You want them to participate, that's the bottom line, so we have to make it easier for them to do so. Complicating the voting process is not going to do that. One cannot even skim that post, it's too dense and confusing, but I can guarantee you this: from what you just said, there is NOTHING simple about this.

jedi master sal
10-03-2008, 03:34 PM
Well, you didn't like my first suggestion. Noone else was coming up with one. You wanted something similar in approach to MSP's poll. THAT one was complicated to me. So I came up with this.

By the responses in the suggestion thread, it wasn't all that difficult. Did every post a link, no, were there repeats, maybe. But for the most part we got what we needed from the suggestion thread. Tomorrow it gets even easier.

Knock this poll if you want, but I've got enough experience with the vehicle polls over the last 2-3 years. I knew we only needed a week for suggestions, but also knew some people would gripe about the short time to post. Extending it a week provides that extra time. In that extra week, there wasn't that many new posts.

My suggestions will be the last in that thread as I have to look over the whole thread. If all of my suggestions are covered by others, cool.

Anyway...tomorrow brings another day and another opportunity for SSG members to help influence the future direction of vehicles/ships for the SW toy line. No matter how you slice it, that has to be a good things for we collectors in general.

Ando
10-03-2008, 04:01 PM
I found this poll to be pretty straight forward, myself.

JediTricks
10-08-2008, 02:34 AM
I don't want there to be animosity, but at this point I cannot support this poll. I will review the process more deeply when I have free time to put into it, but it won't be this week as I am unbelievably busy (this is basically my first visit to the forums in a week).

I do not want to go forward at this point without a good solid timeline, regardless of polling method. Let's figure out a payoff point and work backwards from there.


I am a little perplexed at the claim that MSP's method was confusing, it had 2 parts:
Phase 1 - gather top votes for each source;
Phase 2 - pit top results from each source against each other, pushing the highest onto the final list and making room for new entries from round to round.

If we applied that to vehicles as we have them presented now, it'd look something like:
Phase 1 - vote for each source, 4 sources - PT, OT, EU, Fantasy - allowing for new entries to either get votes or not.
Phase 2 - spread over the course of several polls, we supply top entries among all 4 sources and each poll we skim the top 4 entries off, adding new entries from those sources. If we do 5 rounds, we get a top 20 list. If we do 10 rounds, a top 40 list.

Play with the numbers of skim and rounds to get your final list whatever shape you like. Then supply Hasbro with results from each separate source's poll and the phase 2 master poll.

Obsession is Nute
10-11-2008, 03:33 PM
I am generally not buying large vehicles anymore, they are too big and I do not have enough room. I will buy them if they are a vehicle favorite, though. I prefer hard or soft plastic over metal.

Here is what I would like to see in one scale or another.

1.) Nute Gunray's Nemoidian Shuttle
2.) Corporate Alliance Tank Droid
3.) Vulture Fighter
4.) Dooku's Solar Sailer.
5.) Xizor's Virago/Starviper
6.) Guri's Stinger
7.) Star Destroyer
8.) Super Star Destroyer
9.) The Maelevolence
10.) The Invisible Hand
11.) Trade Federation Battleship
12.) Recusant Class Destroyer
13.) Muunificent Frigate
14.) Venator Star Destroyer
15.) Acclamator Star Destroyer
16.) Home One
17.) The Eclipse

dr_evazan22
10-11-2008, 04:26 PM
Will there be any consideration, or polls, as to the scale that we're voting on? My assumption is that everything we're voting for will be 3-3/4" (sorry Sal, but I wasn't able to read thru the entirety of your posts).

jedi master sal
10-12-2008, 09:42 AM
Will there be any consideration, or polls, as to the scale that we're voting on? My assumption is that everything we're voting for will be 3-3/4" (sorry Sal, but I wasn't able to read thru the entirety of your posts).

No worries, dr_evazan.

The vehicle poll is specifically for 3 3/4 vehicles. However note that there is a "fantasy" section. his is for those ships that are most likely too large to be done as 3 3/4 ships.

After the polls are done, there will be a post poll discussion thread to talk about scale sizes for one (among other things such as pricepoint and pack-ins).

So if you'd like to see these ships done as Titanium or Ultra Titanium, Action Fleet, etc., then that would be the thread to voice your desires as to scale.

Beyond the results of the polls, a detailed letter would be given to Hasbro, noting the discussion regarding scale (to 3 3/4), reasonable pricepoints, pack-ins, electronics, use of vehicle in other scale lines such as Titanium, etc.

So the simple answer is scale is not being considered in the polls, however WILL be considered in the post discussion.

cookiemonster
10-12-2008, 11:05 AM
Are these choices allowed, just let me know

1 Imperial Troop Transport (Vintage Kenner)
2 Any of the Mini Rigs (Vintage Kenner)
3 Proper Scaled X-Wing
4 Rebel Troop Transporter (Vintage Kenner)
5 Cloud Car
6 AT-AT
7 Proper Scaled Snowspeeder
8 AT-ST Walker
9 Speeder Bike
10 Jabbas Skiff

JediTricks
10-13-2008, 01:29 AM
Will there be any consideration, or polls, as to the scale that we're voting on? My assumption is that everything we're voting for will be 3-3/4" (sorry Sal, but I wasn't able to read thru the entirety of your posts).Everything is meant to interact with 3.75" figures, though scale is a bit of a sliding scale.


If you're interested in Titaniums, I think we can get a similar poll going there after Toy Fair (I predict/hope there will be a number of new releases shown there). In fact, anybody who wants to start the "what should be on that poll?" thread in the Titanium section, that would be a great start right now.



Are these choices allowed, just let me know

1 Imperial Troop Transport (Vintage Kenner)
2 Any of the Mini Rigs (Vintage Kenner)
3 Proper Scaled X-Wing
4 Rebel Troop Transporter (Vintage Kenner)
5 Cloud Car
6 AT-AT
7 Proper Scaled Snowspeeder
8 AT-ST Walker
9 Speeder Bike
10 Jabbas SkiffThe Kenner vehicles should be allowed in the EU poll.

The rest seems reasonable to have, but I'm not sure how Sal wants to categorize stuff like the AT-AT and Skiff, they're almost big enough to be "fantasy".

cookiemonster
10-13-2008, 05:49 PM
Well if everything is ok thats my list.

JediTricks
10-13-2008, 06:37 PM
Ok, make sure to vote in the poll series that starts Wednesday, those polls will determine the list, this thread was only for what vehicles will go in the poll.

cookiemonster
10-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Will do, how long is the poll going to run for.

JediTricks
10-13-2008, 07:04 PM
Ok, so from the current poll, I've moved from it into the "Fantasy" poll the following:


AT-OT (All Terrain Open Transport) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Open_Transport)
UT-AT (Unstable Terrain Artillery Transport) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unstable_Terrain_Artillery_Transport)
Clone Turbo Tank (Juggernaut) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy_Assault_Vehicle/wheeled_A6_Juggernaut)
Padme's Naboo Yacht (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/H-type_Nubian_yacht)
MTT (Multi-Troop Transport) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Multi-Troop_Transport)

Here's my thinking, anything as large as the AT-TE or Queen's Royal Starship or Millennium Falcon is unlikely, we got those but they were all said to be "special". The vehicles above are pretty large as well, and while Hasbro could squeeze something like the Royal Yacht down pretty far, I am not sure that's what the fans want.

(I ended up leaving the AT-TE Carrier Gunship in the poll because it technically could be delivered cheaper than the AT-TE, sorry for any confusion when I originally put it with the above.)



AOTC
Lars' baby Skyhopper from homestead garage
Yellow twin pod airspeeder from senate parking lot
Red airspeeder from senate parking lot
Grey airspeeder from senate parking lotCan you get me any source info, names or pics, on these?


Anakin's airspeeder
Jedi airspeederIs there a difference between these 2?

JediTricks
10-13-2008, 07:08 PM
Will do, how long is the poll going to run for.Each round will run 2 weeks, although today's poll is open 2 days early because it has the most number of options, and I wanted to see what needed tweaking while it was still fresh in my mind.

The next round will start a week from Wednesday, so round 1 and 2 will run concurrently half the time.

If everything goes as planned, the series should end in mid-January.

cookiemonster
10-13-2008, 07:29 PM
Sounds cool.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-13-2008, 08:41 PM
So, wait, you put the Clone Wars stuff in with the EU stuff where it actually belonged, right?

cookiemonster
10-14-2008, 12:06 AM
Or are you going to run it as a seperate poll, the Clone Wars vehicles that is.

JediTricks
10-16-2008, 01:53 AM
So, wait, you put the Clone Wars stuff in with the EU stuff where it actually belonged, right?Yuppers!


Or are you going to run it as a seperate poll, the Clone Wars vehicles that is.I thought about that, and ultimately don't want to go there until we have a LARGE amount of material to fall back on. Once we know what ships are there 2 seasons in and mean something vs ships that seem big now yet will fall off the map by February. If it's important, go ahead make a good argument and I'll listen.

cookiemonster
10-16-2008, 12:17 PM
Actually just a suggestion but I would like to see the Clone Wars run seperately from the EU, as it is more cannon than the EU.

JediTricks
10-16-2008, 04:27 PM
How is Clone Wars more canon? It's just a TV show, like Ewoks and Droids, and Clone Wars 1.



10.) LAAT (even though i think this would have to dwarf the BMF in order for it to be accuarte.)In terms of size, it'd have to be about the length of the BMF to work, but consider that the majority of the LAAT/c is open space, it's just a cockpit, a spine, and wings. Do I honestly think they would do this? No. Do I even think it'd be a fun toy? No. And could it lift the AT-TE? Almost certainly not. But I do think they could pull it off for $50 to $75 rather than $100+. Yeah, and that's what kept it from being a "fantasy" entry.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-16-2008, 04:29 PM
How are they "more canon"? They're a TV show just like Ewoks and Droids, and Clone Wars 1.
Leland Chee has said that this show and the live action are in a new continuity level (in his system) below the films but above the comics and novels and so forth. Maybe it's because of Lucas's greater involvement?

JediTricks
10-16-2008, 04:39 PM
Ugh, I hadn't put any thought into the 5 levels of canon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon) nonsense. So the Clone Wars are "T-Canon", aka "television canon", but not "G-Canon" - which itself is inconsistent with statements made by Lucas and Sansweet. Anyway, my point about it being on the same level as Ewoks and Droids remains the same, those are also T-canon (just like the Ewok movies are) yet we consider them EU.

Any other arguments for separating the Clone Wars from the EU poll? I am thinking this over on my own as well, but still not sold.

cookiemonster
10-16-2008, 04:47 PM
Well the Clone Wars, I think what happens here is going be more akin to the Movies and tie directly into these, where as Ewoks the Animated Series and Droids were stand alone, same as the Ewok Movies and Holiday Special were stand alone - they werent directly influenced by the 6 Movies.

So thats one reason why I think the Clone Wars should have its own list, I agree with you that the others TV Series and Movies should be classed as EU (Looking forward, to putting forward the White Witch from droids in the EU).

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-16-2008, 04:53 PM
I agree that the Clone Wars are more important than most other EU - the show and movie are being seen by far, far more people than have even read one SW book or comic, I bet, and I find the show to be much better than 99% of other EU.

However, there are only ten Clone Wars ships on the list right now. I can't imagine too many more being added anytime soon, and everyone's list would literally have to include every ship on there whether they actually wanted it or not. There could be a few more added, but not too many more, and if they're not already on the list, I doubt many people would be truly clamoring for them.

So, anyway, I think the Clone Wars ships should stay with the EU. Maybe if we re-do this poll in a few years, after the show has introduced a lot of more ships, the CW list could stand on its own, but not for now. To add to that, off the top of my head, I can't even think of ten non-CW EU ships that I would want, so my list would be useless.

cookiemonster
10-16-2008, 05:31 PM
Now I agree with you that the Clone Wars Animated TV Series at the min hasnt got that many ships I can think of about 10 likewise, however saying that this would also be a chance to get some vehicles from the original Clone Wars series as well, hell even the Clone Wars comics, as long as it had to do with Clone Wars, there is loads of vehicles out there, thats the reason why I think the Clone Wars should be handled seperately.

JediTricks
10-17-2008, 05:21 AM
Ok, I've closed the preliminary list thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39043), it's getting too confusing for me to juggle both threads at this point. We will be taking more options if you have them and can produce sufficient source material to back them up.


As for the Clone Wars discussion, please feel free to chime in on that, I am listening to all options. Part of me feels they are no different than any EU source and certainly don't deserve a special poll when no other individual source gets a poll, but I also don't want the EU poll to get mired in Clone Wars votes.

If we did a Clone Wars poll, it'd be both Clone Wars sources combined, they share lineage and vehicles.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-17-2008, 12:40 PM
Now I agree with you that the Clone Wars Animated TV Series at the min hasnt got that many ships I can think of about 10 likewise, however saying that this would also be a chance to get some vehicles from the original Clone Wars series as well, hell even the Clone Wars comics, as long as it had to do with Clone Wars, there is loads of vehicles out there, thats the reason why I think the Clone Wars should be handled seperately.
In the preliminary lists, the Clone Wars list had ten entries, combined from both the micro-series and the new series/film.

I do agree, though, that if we add the Clone Wars comics/novels to this, that would expand the list and make it stand alone better. There are a few CW-era ships on the other EU poll; I think they should all be in the same place, wherever that ends up being.


Part of me feels they are no different than any EU source and certainly don't deserve a special poll when no other individual source gets a poll
The Clone Wars isn't limited to one source, though; there's a crapload of material covering these years (some would say too much). To me, anyway, it's the area of EU I'm most familiar with, and I'm willing to bet it's the same for many others. As I said, it's certainly the most well-known to the average casual collector or kid. Sure, the comics and video games are popular, but they don't get near the exposure that the new movie or show do and will.


but I also don't want the EU poll to get mired in Clone Wars votes.
I can pretty much guarantee that, if the Clone Wars were included in the EU poll, my list would be only CW ships.

Will we eventually be voting on finalists from all the polls combined? That would be a way to show how the Clone Wars vehicles would match up to other EU vehicles.

I think I just undermined my last post. Er, so anyway, if it's a list from both shows and the comics and everything else CW, then I say have it be standalone. If not, then throw it with the EU, at this point.

Lord Malakite
10-17-2008, 02:03 PM
Alright, just a few more EU suggestions for the list. :p

TIE/D Automated Fighter (from Dark Empire, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, Dark Empire II and Empire's End
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_automated_starfighter
TIE Vanguard (from "A New Hope Limited" - Star Wars Customizable Card Game)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Vanguard
TIE Aggressor (from Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed expansion)
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Aggressor
V-Wing Airspeeder (from Star Wars: Rogue Squadron and Dark Empire) I think I saw a "V-Wing" on Sal's list already, but I don't think it is the same one as this.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/V-wing_airspeeder
Buick (from Star Wars: Battle for Naboo, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader and Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike) :D Alright, this one is a bit of a joke, but it would still be fun to see if anyone would actually vote on it, and (if it did make the final list) the reaction on the Hasbro guys' faces when you suggest it.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Buick

JediTricks
10-18-2008, 04:02 PM
I'm starting to lean towards doing Clone Wars as its own poll, we have the time and it's fresh on people's minds, I don't want the deserving EU vehicles to get squeezed out. Oversized vehicles would still be in the fantasy poll though.

EDIT: It is done. Gives me an excuse to update the news post as well.

JediTricks
10-22-2008, 02:55 PM
Ok, the OT poll is up. http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39175

I put a couple entries from the prelim list into Fantasy, including the Imp Landing Craft and Jabba's Sail Barge.

However, I also added a few new entries that I hadn't seen on any previous lists, so check it out.

JediTricks
10-23-2008, 03:39 PM
Wow, the OT poll has a ton of fantasy entries that have had to be sent back. The prequels poll was nothing like this, I didn't see it coming. We've had a couple decent write-ins though, that was cool. The second AT-ST listing seems to have confused a few people, hopefully it gets sorted out by the end rather than splitting interest.

obi-dad
10-23-2008, 03:58 PM
What if the other polls (or maybe just the fantasy) is created now with the listings (but kept locked until it's ready to start)? That way, people can see if the vehicle in question (maybe too large for the regular OT poll) is covered in the fantasy poll?

just a thought.

JediTricks
10-23-2008, 04:15 PM
We have the majority of the preliminary list in the forums already, I just don't want to overload the voters with too much info thrown at them at the beginning of the thread, that slows down voting. Besides, some folks don't care no matter what is said, my 1 example for the fantasy list was "star destroyer" and someone tried to write that into the OT poll anyway. :p

I will take that idea into consideration though.

JediTricks
10-25-2008, 08:59 PM
Someone has brought up a straight reissue, saying they just want it again. I'm thinking there's no reason to put that one into poll, I know I omitted the word "new" from the title, but that was more about the space with which I had to work. I'll entertain any arguments in favor, but right now I'm leaning towards no.

bigbarada
10-26-2008, 01:26 PM
Someone has brought up a straight reissue, saying they just want it again. I'm thinking there's no reason to put that one into poll, I know I omitted the word "new" from the title, but that was more about the space with which I had to work. I'll entertain any arguments in favor, but right now I'm leaning towards no.

I thought this poll was supposed to focus on all-new vehicles or vehicles that are revamped from the ground up. Adding in straight reissues or repaints seems to defeat the purpose of the poll.

I think the votes for reissues should just not be counted and the person will have to pick new choices before the poll ends. If they don't, then they just lose those votes.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-26-2008, 06:12 PM
We had at least one repaint on the last poll (the Imperial V-wing). But I agree that reissues should be off-limits.

JediTricks
10-28-2008, 07:18 PM
Ok, thanks for the feedback, I think that cements it: reissues are definitely out.

I was a little hesitant to include repaints, but they are different enough that they require a new budget and new packaging, so it's "new enough" to most folks. They'd buy an A-wing but not maybe a green A-wing.



Well - wouldn't the Outrider fall into the same category then?The Outrider is significantly smaller than the Falcon, it could be done around the size of the Republic Gunship or ARC-170; the Imperial Landing Craft doesn't enjoy that luxury.

The Imp Landing Craft is 40 meters long and doesn't allow for much downscaling because of that midsection design, Galoob's Action Fleet version only has room for figures to lay down in there not even sitting upright, and LEGO only pulled it off by thickening it to almost triple proportions (http://shop.lego.com/product/?p=7659&LangId=2057&ShipTo=US) where it really doesn't look right that way. Imagine Hasbro's Imp Landing Craft compared to the Imperial Shuttle, it'd have to be bigger, that alone should spell "fantasy poll" for you.

The Outrider however is only 22 meter, while the Falcon is 35 meters, the ARC-170 is 15 meters, the Republic Gunship is 17.5 meters, and Slave I is 21.5 meters. Since the BMF is scaled down, the Outrider scaled down similarly would be closer to the ARC-170 or Republic Gunship size.


1. Void Spider air taxi
2. 9000 Z001 speeder
I love both of these, but don't need them in 3.75 scale; Action Fleet scale would be better, I think. But if they were made in 3.75 scale I'd definitely buy.I miss Action Fleet, that's a scale where I'd be satisfied with a lot of these entries and wouldn't want them at figure scale anymore, but alas it's not to be. I am not sure I'd want the Void Spider in figure scale, but the 9000 Z001 would be pretty likely, as would the A-1 landspeeder.



I posted my list, and it was tough, out of the 16 or 17 options, I had 13 I culled from that, so it was tough to rank it and tough to kick out 3. Here's my original list of potential choices (in no specific order):

Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier)
Outrider (YT-2400)
A-1 Deluxe Floater landspeeder
9000 Z001 landspeeder
Air-2 racing swoop
TIE Fighter
Slave I
Snowspeeder
AT-ST (hoth)
Laser Ice-cutter
Speeder Bike
AT-ST (ROTJ)
Jabba's Skiff

Tycho
10-28-2008, 08:09 PM
Are people voting for that TIE Fighter with sound effects?

That needs to happen!

When I get a TIE Fighter with real Star Wars sound effects, I'll carry it while running around my whole house imagining it's flying and attacking my BMF! - and I'll be a 4 year old kid all over again. (Something that hasn't happened for at least 2 or 3 minutes already)

JediTricks
10-28-2008, 08:27 PM
I have a question, how should the EU poll options be broken down, if at all? For the first 3 polls, I have 'em broken down by initial source medium, but for EU it's going to be a ton of different sources. Should we do them by era, i.e. Old Republic-era, Rise of the Empire-era, Rebellion-era, New Republic-era, NJO-era, Legacy-era?



I figure I'll just set up the Clone Wars list now, save myself the time tomorrow when I'll have other stuff to do.


- Vehicles first seen in the Clone Wars micro-series -


CR20 Troop Carrier (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CR20_troop_carrier)
Asajj Ventress’ Starfighter (aka (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ginivex-class_starfighter) Ginivex-class, (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ginivex-class_starfighter) Fanblade Starfighter) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ginivex-class_starfighter)
Trade Federation Mini-Sub (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mini-Sub)
Manta Droid Subfighter (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Manta_droid_subfighter)
Saesee Tiin's Eta-2 Jedi Starfighter (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Tiin_fighter.jpg) [green & gray recolor]
Republic Lancer Swoop Bike (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/105-K_lancer_bike)
IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/IG_lancer_combat_droid)





- Vehicles first seen in The Clone Wars CGI movie & cartoon series -

Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-B_Y-wing_starfighter)
Republic Gunship (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucky_Lekku) [show-accurate with new doors and hull design, optional sticker sheet nose art]
Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nu-class_attack_shuttle)
The Twilight (G9 Rigger) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_%28ship%29)
Republic Artillery Gun (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Republic_Artillery_Gun)
Pod Hunter (aka Separatist Boarding Craft) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Separatist_boarding_craft)
Rail Jet Transport Train (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rail_jet) [internal transport cars inside the Malevolence]
Hyena Droid Bomber (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyena_droid) [not yet appeared in the series, but LEGO has one coming Jan '09, images: 1 (http://lego.wikia.com/wiki/8016_Hyena_Droid_Bomber), 2 (http://www.target.com/Lego-Star-Hyena-Droid-Bomber/dp/B001GN3FXY) ]



Hmm, I didn't realize this list was going to be so small. And I even added a few not listed before, plus included the Twilight despite it really belonging in the Fantasy list (it's about as long as the Falcon, but taller and thicker, not even including the wings - my justification is that Hasbro wouldn't even want to do one over $30-$50 as the kid element would totally evaporate). Ultimately, I had to pad it from 11 to 15.

JediTricks
10-28-2008, 08:57 PM
Are people voting for that TIE Fighter with sound effects?

That needs to happen!

When I get a TIE Fighter with real Star Wars sound effects, I'll carry it while running around my whole house imagining it's flying and attacking my BMF! - and I'll be a 4 year old kid all over again. (Something that hasn't happened for at least 2 or 3 minutes already)
Good question, I'm not running the tally so I'm not sure, but at a glance it's getting only a moderate amount of support, 6 people voted for it, 4 of those were ranked highly. You didn't vote for it, I see, you may want to make a new list with it in there. I suspect it'll pick up a little now that it's in the main list rather than a write-in, the poll has a whole week left to go.

bigbarada
10-28-2008, 10:26 PM
I've adjusted my list to account for the Electronic TIE Fighter. I was never really sold on the idea of the Escape Pod, so I have no problem with dropping it from the list.

I've wanted a TIE Fighter toy with that signature flyby sound for as long as I can remember.

Obsession is Nute
10-28-2008, 11:07 PM
God! I miss the Action Fleet Line, best scale ever, IMO.

JediTricks
10-29-2008, 03:27 AM
Round 1: Prequels, is done. The initial tally is posted, and it looks like all but 8 vehicles, 36 out of 44, got votes. MSP will go over the tally later and make sure everything is accurate, then post the absolute final tally here.

I'm not even remotely surprised at the bottom half of the list. The top 10 seem a little jumbled to how I would have perceived it, but still a solid list. My #1 was the #1 on the list, I think that's the first time in any of these polls that's happened, but it was a pretty obvious choice. :p Droid Gunship (#2) got the most votes though, around half of the votes, I think Hasbro's going to have to make that sucker happen somehow (I'm picturing the head is a cockpit that can hold a figure and the body has a bunch of weapons, holding 1 figure would be small but $20 so very likely, 2 or 3 figures would be better but kick it to $30).

JediTricks
10-29-2008, 03:42 AM
Clone Wars poll is up: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39217

pbarnard
10-29-2008, 11:45 AM
How would one cast a vote for none of these? Simply not voting is saying these tallies are good enough for me. Basically say 10 times None from this era?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-29-2008, 12:36 PM
I wrote-in Plo Koon's escape pod, as seen in Rising Malevolence. I don't have any pictures, but you remember it, right?

Oh . . . and what about repaints of Obi-Wan's starfighter? We've seen Anakin's yellow one and Plo Koon's blue-and-white striped one. Should those be added or are they kind of a given?

obi-dad
10-29-2008, 12:52 PM
Are people voting for that TIE Fighter with sound effects?

That needs to happen!

When I get a TIE Fighter with real Star Wars sound effects, I'll carry it while running around my whole house imagining it's flying and attacking my BMF! - and I'll be a 4 year old kid all over again. (Something that hasn't happened for at least 2 or 3 minutes already)

Well, I gave it my #1 spot to weigh it heavier, since not as many people are voting for it. According to my tallies though, it didn't really make a difference.:cry:

DarkArtist
10-29-2008, 01:23 PM
would also like to see:

Chiss Clawcraft with Chiss Pilot
Imperial TIE Defender
Imperial Robotic TIE-D starfighter
Imperial TIE Crawler

JediTricks
10-29-2008, 03:41 PM
How would one cast a vote for none of these? Simply not voting is saying these tallies are good enough for me. Basically say 10 times None from this era?Not voting will lower the vote counts, so that's the way.



1) CR20 Troop Carrier - they can repaint it as the outbound freighter Anakin and Padme took in AOTC - but you'd think this would be in the fantasy category, as they land AT-AT's in these by ESB.I dunno about the AT-ATs claim, but T's right about it being the fantasy category. At 60 meters long, it's pretty big. I only noticed how narrow it was and forgot to take into account the actual numbers. I saw this as about the size of the Republic Gunship, and my misperception may hurt things, but at this point I guess I'll just let it go forward.



I wrote-in Plo Koon's escape pod, as seen in Rising Malevolence. I don't have any pictures, but you remember it, right?Added it, good call. Found it's named Pod 1977, but no pics, I linked to its wiki listing anyway.


Oh . . . and what about repaints of Obi-Wan's starfighter? We've seen Anakin's yellow one and Plo Koon's blue-and-white striped one. Should those be added or are they kind of a given?Find me the examples and I'll consider them. For those, they need to have photo evidence.



Well, I gave it my #1 spot to weigh it heavier, since not as many people are voting for it. According to my tallies though, it didn't really make a difference.:cry:63 points so far, and I only added it a few days ago. It will place, no question, it won't end up near the bottom half with that kind of voting.



Don't really care for anything from the first CW cartoon, although, didn't we already get the Republic Lancer Swoop? I forget if it came with Obi in armor or with a CT. Not really, what Hasbro did was rework the regular speederbike a little, but the whole front half is way different, they didn't really deliver the bike seen in the show:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Lancer_Swoop_Bike.jpg
vs
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/clonewars/sw03cwclonebikeloose.jpg



Hey, if your write-ins aren't in the list yet and I haven't given a reason why not but I have been on the forums, please remember to come to this thread and nag me, I probably just missed them.

Mad Slanted Powers
10-29-2008, 09:46 PM
Here are the results of the Round 1 voting. There is a change from what I posted in that thread. I had one person voting for the Droid Gunship twice when one of the votes should have been for the Droid Starfighter. That moved it into the top 10 ahead of the Naboo Starfighter.

1. Corporate Alliance Tank Droid.....128 points (17 votes)
2. Droid Gunship.....119 points (18 votes)
3. Gungan Sub (Bongo).....107 points (16 votes)
4. LAAT/c (AT-TE carrier Gunship).....103 points (15 votes)
5. Theta-class Shuttle (Emperor Palpatine's shuttle).....85 points (15 votes)
6. Rickshaw with RIC-920 Droid.....76 points (12 votes)
7. Clone Swamp Speeder.....71 points (10 votes)
8. Geonosis execution cart with Orray.....69 points (13 votes)
9. Dooku's Solar Sailer.....68 points (10 votes)
10. Droid Starfighter (Vulture Droid) [fully transformable].....65 points (9 votes)
11. Naboo Fighter [with chrome, removable droid dome].....64 points (10 votes)
12. Wookiee Catamaran.....60 points (10 votes)
13. Bail Organa's Airspeeder.....55 points (10 votes)
14. Trade Federation Troop Carrier.....51 points (11 votes)
15. Tri-Droid [accurate "gigantic" version, different from basic figure].....49 points (9 votes)
16. Neimoidian Shuttle.....48 points (9 votes)
17. Techno Union Starfighter.....39 points (9 votes)
18. Republic Assault Gunboat.....38 points (9 votes)
19. Yoda's Wookiee Evacuation Pod.....35 points (9 votes)
20. Gian Speeder.....32 points (8 votes)
21. Anakin's Jedi Council Airspeeder [alternate colors to Obi-Wan's].....24 points (7 votes)
22. Imperial V-wing fighter [Empire repaint].....20 points (5 votes)
23. Corsucant Air Taxi.....18 points (3 votes)
24. Coruscant Emergency Firespeeder (Fireship).....12 points (6 votes)
25. ARC-170.....10 points (1 vote)
26. Gasgano's Podracer.....9 points (2 votes)
27. Obi-Wan's Jedi Council Airspeeder [alternate colors to Anakin's].....9 points (2 votes)
28. Ben Quadinaros' Podracer.....9 points (1 vote)
29. Teemto Pagalies' Podracer.....8 points (2 votes)
30. Ark "Bumpy" Roose's Podracer.....7 points (1 vote)
31. Ody Mandrell's Podracer.....6 points (2 votes)
32. Dud Bolt's Podracer.....5 points (2 votes)
33. Mawhonic's Podracer.....5 points (1 vote)
34. Stass Allie's speeder bike [using correct speeder bike, not BARC speeder].....4 points (1 vote)
35. Mars Guo's Podracer.....2 points (2 votes)
36. Ratts Tyerell's Podracer.....2 points (1 vote)

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-30-2008, 01:18 AM
Added it, good call. Found it's named Pod 1977, but no pics, I linked to its wiki listing anyway.
Actually, Pod 1977 is the one they find with the viewscreen broken and the dead clone hunched over it. I don't know the number of Plo's pod. They're the same design, though.

I can't find pictures of Anakin's or Plo's starfighter. Here (http://www.yogee.com.au/images/lego_star_wars_Anakin_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg) is Anakin's in Lego form. Plo's is pretty much exactly like his ROTS one, but with the droid in the middle (and the droid is different, too).

obi-dad
10-30-2008, 09:33 AM
Gaging by interest in this discussion thread and the voting (and previous polls) are there any guesses as to what era will be dominant in the overall votes (PT, OT, Fantasy, EU, CW)?

DarkJedi5
10-30-2008, 02:54 PM
I'm surprised the rickshaw droid was up so high. The Padme fig can't even sit in the back so I couldn't really see a use for one. Also the LAAT Gunship carrier seems like it would have to be HUGE to look good toting the new AT-TE. I'm not sure if Hasbro could or would do it justice.

JediTricks
10-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Here are the results of the Round 1 voting. There is a change from what I posted in that thread. I had one person voting for the Droid Gunship twice when one of the votes should have been for the Droid Starfighter. That moved it into the top 10 ahead of the Naboo Starfighter.Rats, that Naboo Fighter was my idea. Thanks for catching the polling issue though, good job.



Actually, Pod 1977 is the one they find with the viewscreen broken and the dead clone hunched over it. I don't know the number of Plo's pod. They're the same design, though.Ok, title and link changed. I also changed the other votes for it to reflect the change.


I can't find pictures of Anakin's or Plo's starfighter. Here (http://www.yogee.com.au/images/lego_star_wars_Anakin_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg) is Anakin's in Lego form. Plo's is pretty much exactly like his ROTS one, but with the droid in the middle (and the droid is different, too).I'll add them.



Gaging by interest in this discussion thread and the voting (and previous polls) are there any guesses as to what era will be dominant in the overall votes (PT, OT, Fantasy, EU, CW)?In terms of reads, the Prequel thread has the most, but in terms of participation it's OT all the way (more votes against less reads). Clone Wars is falling behind the pace of those 2, and the votes in the thread aren't as enthusiastic yet; my guess is EU will be similar but more scattered. Fantasy is a total wildcard, but I have a feeling OT is going to end up with the most push. Once we go head's-up though, that's where anything can happen, more folks may want OT ships but they may have a stronger desire for the top choices from prequel or fantasy or even EU/CW.



I'm surprised the rickshaw droid was up so high. The Padme fig can't even sit in the back so I couldn't really see a use for one. Also the LAAT Gunship carrier seems like it would have to be HUGE to look good toting the new AT-TE. I'm not sure if Hasbro could or would do it justice.I totally agree on both. I find the rickshaw droid to be a snore, it's not in the movie for long and it doesn't do much of anything, it doesn't have any room for play patterns. But, it's what the folks seem to want pretty badly. As for the LAAT/c, there's virtually no way Hasbro would deliver this, it's not aggressive, it's big, it only holds 1 guy, and if one doesn't own the AT-TE then the LAAT/c has no context whatsoever. But if they are thinking about doing one at all, the voters want to put a little push behind that. I believe they could do it for around $50 since it's a rather simple design and most of the toy is just empty space and a couple holding arms.

obi-dad
10-30-2008, 06:39 PM
I have a question that may have been covered earlier in this thread... It seems like the Outrider (and one other vehicle I can't remember at this point) should really be in the EU poll to me. I understand it (and the other un-named ship) were added in the Special Editions, but it's not like we ever see Dash in the movie, or the name of the ship is mentioned in the movie (like the falcon, x-wing, tie-fighter, star destroyer, etc). So, is it because it was added to ANH for a few seconds, or because naming it OT makes it more likely that Hasbro would make it? Because, I would think recongnizabillity (and of course, aggressiveness) would be one of the key factors for Hasbro to make a ship, and it has almost 0 recognizability from ANH and almost all of it would come from EU sourced material. Even when Hasbro released the original ship in 1997, it was in a Shadows of the Empire box, but then again, it was released the same year the Special Edition came out, so what do I know? anyway... i was just wondering.

Tycho
10-31-2008, 03:36 PM
This is my point of view but...

The Prequel Trilogy should get the most votes, participation since there are still the most un-made movie vehicles in that category.

Next, the Fantasy ideas should get the next most votes, since Jabba's Sailbarge (actually is feasible), and the Star Destroyer and Blockade Runner are far cooler choices than most of the OT vehicles left that have never been made before (I'm not looking at re-dos for the moment).

So if we could have anything we wanted - the PT vehicles are practical for Hasbro, and possibly cool designs to some, whether or not they liked the movies. Next, if we could have anything we wanted, the Fantasy vehicles especially from the OT would be most desired, assuming people had space to put these things in (I'd make room - just as most of us did for the BMF and AT-TE - though a Star Destroyer would pose a harder challenge).

The OT basic ships that are left, not counting re-dos, are sort of boring and bottom-of-the-barrel. If some improvements were made, like sound-effects on a TIE Fighter, even I could be persuaded to buy. I'm not going to vote for that, though. I'd rather save money and SPACE.

The Expanded Universe has some appeal to me - limited though. And I suspect that we all have very different wants. I want a Corral Skipper and could care less about the Moldy Crow. The Virago and IG-2000 are high on my list though. All could be done for the $20 price point. I don't know who's going to vote for a Yuuzhan Vong worldship, but not I. In any case, with the EU, you'll see a split between readers and video gamers. They are VERY different kinds of EU fans. And stuff like The Force Unleashed lends itself to a gray area in between.

The Clone Wars is really trying a lot of people's patience. People here are ages 20-40. Kids - real kids - might be into CW, but people here are not so much. The voting stats is evidence in support of that. I might buy the Twilight or the Magna Guards' ships - less chance of the latter - but I'm not even buying the cartoon figures. I'd buy a realistic version of Ashoka Tano and then get one more realistic figure of Anakin, and that'll do me. Put them and a realistic R2D2 in the Twilight and wait to see if that somehow improves my life. Since I don't think that will happen, why bother anyway?

JediTricks
10-31-2008, 05:08 PM
I have a question that may have been covered earlier in this thread... It seems like the Outrider (and one other vehicle I can't remember at this point) should really be in the EU poll to me. I understand it (and the other un-named ship) were added in the Special Editions, but it's not like we ever see Dash in the movie, or the name of the ship is mentioned in the movie (like the falcon, x-wing, tie-fighter, star destroyer, etc). So, is it because it was added to ANH for a few seconds, or because naming it OT makes it more likely that Hasbro would make it? Because, I would think recongnizabillity (and of course, aggressiveness) would be one of the key factors for Hasbro to make a ship, and it has almost 0 recognizability from ANH and almost all of it would come from EU sourced material. Even when Hasbro released the original ship in 1997, it was in a Shadows of the Empire box, but then again, it was released the same year the Special Edition came out, so what do I know? anyway... i was just wondering.It was a tough decision to put the Outrider in that poll. Ultimately, I went with the advice of others, thinking it's better to have it in OT than to top out the EU poll, since the first movie we see it in is the '97 ANH SE. I don't actually think it helps to say it's in the OT though, Hasbro knows the source on it already, and that poll was a little thin, it needed padding, so it's merely an organizational issue.

As for names, we never hear the names of a lot of ships in the movies, nearly all of the Rebel craft go unnamed except for the X-wing class, Slave I isn't named, even the Imperial Walkers and Landspeeder aren't named.

Ultimately, if it places in the top 10, that'll be a monster achievement and prove how much folks want it, that it can place that highly in the coveted OT poll. And at this point, I'm sure it's going to place well, it's got a good number of votes.



The Prequel Trilogy should get the most votes, participation since there are still the most un-made movie vehicles in that category.I dunno about that. If you'll notice, without the podracers (none of which placed anywhere but the bottom, when at all) there's really not that many more than OT, and most aren't majorly noticeable in the film, I think a lot more major prequel ships have already been produced satisfactorily than OT.

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 04:04 AM
Prelim results are up for the OT poll, and it did very nicely. The Outrider, I was pleased to see, placed 4th, that's quite a statement considering the fine choices offered. Unfortunately, the late entry of the TIE Fighter didn't help its sagging numbers, it stalled out (MSP, could you please recheck the votes on that one? I counted 63 points last time I looked). The ROTJ AT-ST fared much better than its Hoth counterpart.

There's a reason that there are 23 vehicles on the current results list, but only 20 entries in the actual poll. The TIE Bomber votes are 1 of the entires that are asking for an item not on the list (a reissue). Luke's Landspeeder was a write-in that I simply missed altogether so it didn't get any play, I feel bad even including it in the poll because it should have been on the list and since it wasn't, it tanked - maybe an asterisk for that listing. And the same thing happened on the B-wing, it wasn't pointed out as a write-in and it got lost in the shuffle.

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 04:45 AM
Doing the EU poll now. The Rogue Shadow is too big for this poll at 65m, so it'll be in the Fantasy poll instead. Likewise, Trigon One doesn't have an official size but the screenshot shows it to be clearly too large for this poll. The Sand Sloth is another.

There's an entry for "Imperial Gunship/Dropship", I need more specifics on this, source material to point to.


Darth Vader's TIE Fighter - all-new, rebuilt from the ground up
B-Wing - correctly scaledBah! I can't believe I missed both of these. You guys are supposed to keep me in check. :p Sorry they didn't make the list, someone else wrote-in B-wing but didn't point out it was a write-in and I missed adding that too.


Damnit! I missed the electronic TIE Fighter someone else listed in this thread, that didn't get added for a whole week to the now-closed poll. So much to juggle. Luke's Landspeeder too. Sorry about that.

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 05:13 AM
Ok, so the EU poll is going up, and it's a real mess. I ended up doing it by era, and the Galactic Republic ballooned out of control with a bunch of TIE variants and mini-rigs which I fear are going to be more noise and static than help. Worse still, 3 of the eras have just 1 vehicle each - Old Republic, Legacy, and NJO. You guys are going to have to cut through the static to send the right message that EU has a place in the line.

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39281

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-05-2008, 12:52 PM
EU doesn't have much of a place in my line. I only picked two "real" EU things and the rest were updates of Kenner ships. So many of the EU vehicle designs don't look anything like Star Wars to me.

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 02:00 PM
That's alright, I understand. Any participation is better than none.

Tycho
11-05-2008, 02:08 PM
For me the EU poll is one I'm very excited about.

If there is a pattern, I largely voted for the Bounty Hunters' vehicles, but I have plenty here to recreate the New Jedi Order's war against the Yuuzhan Vong as well (I'll add extra X-wings to my fleet if they made the other EU ships)

1) IG-2000 [IG-88's ship]
2) Virago [Prince Xizor's starfighter]
3) Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper Starfighter
4) Chiss Clawcraft
5) Skipray Blastboat
6) Z-95 Headhunter
7) Hound's Tooth [Bossk's ship]
8) Vehicle Maintenance Energizer [update of Kenner design]
9) Mist Hunter [Zuckuss' ship]
10) Punishing One [Dengar's ship]

But the cool thing here is that I would fleet-build for the Yuuzhan Vong War and if I am not alone, there is another avenue for Hasbro to sell new vehicles and products to the older fans. CW seems to have tired me and some others I've talked to, but if it sells, I bet the youth is into it.

I would also be interested in Tales of the Jedi era vehicles (Nebulon Ranger, Starstorm-One, Mandalorian Battle Mounts, etc. as well as more figures) but I would have voted for the ships above first, anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 02:17 PM
If they're in unpopular eras, PLEASE write them in even if they don't make your top 10.

Lord Malakite
11-05-2008, 03:46 PM
You missed a few of my suggestions JT.

TIE Vanguard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Vanguard

TIE Aggressor
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Aggressor

TIE Avenger
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE_Avenger

Buick
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Buick

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 04:12 PM
I read both threads and did not see them, which is odd because I do remember saying to myself that there's no way the Buick Electra is getting on that list, even if it was my first car. But I will add the rest.

I put the TIE/ad in the New Republic era since it was used there, and is considered an advance over the TIE Interceptor. I know it's not strictly accurate, but there are way too many TIE variants clogging the Rebellion era.



Some of the bounty hunter ships, like Hounds Tooth, and others in the YV series are pushing 30+ meters in length (considering they're almost like Corellian Gunships but with a YT style cockpit), how is the reasoning on the break down? RPG rules have a rather arbirtrary by lenght/passenger.
20m+ and carries at least 3 is a Space Transport. Below is a starfighter (which can be modified to carry more). Anything 100m or above is considered a capital ship.Ok, so technically that is accurate, but I'm kinda playing loose with certain types of ships, especially when they're identifiable to a specific character AND have a design that can accommodate a cheaty smaller design. Generally, if we don't have a vast understanding of the interior and it's usually piloted by 1 guy, the thought is Hasbro can squash it into scale. They did this with unfortunate results with the original Outrider and with the Sith Infiltrator, but those were confined to the $20 pricepoint, at $30 both would have been likely accepted; the AT-AP is a prime example where they scaled it way down and yet it's still widely accepted.

The Hound's Tooth is a big problem entry since it's 62m, but because of its height and lack of information, it would fit better scaled down to $30. The design of the Lady Luck, unfortunately, is very narrow AND very short, if you put a Lando figure in a realistic toy design of it, he'd be laying down. The Hound's Tooth is shaped a little like the existing Republic Gunship, while the Lady Luck would be more like the Gunship laying on its side, not very realistic or toyetic.

pbarnard
11-05-2008, 04:56 PM
I read both threads and did not see them, which is odd because I do remember saying to myself that there's no way the Buick Electra is getting on that list, even if it was my first car. But I will add the rest.

I put the TIE/ad in the New Republic era since it was used there, and is considered an advance over the TIE Interceptor. I know it's not strictly accurate, but there are way too many TIE variants clogging the Rebellion era.


Ok, so technically that is accurate, but I'm kinda playing loose with certain types of ships, especially when they're identifiable to a specific character AND have a design that can accommodate a cheaty smaller design. Generally, if we don't have a vast understanding of the interior and it's usually piloted by 1 guy, the thought is Hasbro can squash it into scale. They did this with unfortunate results with the original Outrider and with the Sith Infiltrator, but those were confined to the $20 pricepoint, at $30 both would have been likely accepted; the AT-AP is a prime example where they scaled it way down and yet it's still widely accepted.

The Hound's Tooth is a big problem entry since it's 62m, but because of its height and lack of information, it would fit better scaled down to $30. The design of the Lady Luck, unfortunately, is very narrow AND very short, if you put a Lando figure in a realistic toy design of it, he'd be laying down. The Hound's Tooth is shaped a little like the existing Republic Gunship, while the Lady Luck would be more like the Gunship laying on its side, not very realistic or toyetic.

I see where that is going and can live with that. I can also send some scans to you (sorry can't post, copyright) if you'd like of the interiors from Star Wars Gamer Magazine circa 2000/2001.

Lord Malakite
11-05-2008, 04:56 PM
I read both threads and did not see them, which is odd because I do remember saying to myself that there's no way the Buick Electra is getting on that list, even if it was my first car.
How about on the "Fantasy" list then? After all, you never specified that the "fantasy" entries had to be specifically for size issues alone. The Buick could be a "fantasy" entry based upon the absurdity of it. :thumbsup:

Mad Slanted Powers
11-05-2008, 07:51 PM
Prelim results are up for the OT poll, and it did very nicely. The Outrider, I was pleased to see, placed 4th, that's quite a statement considering the fine choices offered. Unfortunately, the late entry of the TIE Fighter didn't help its sagging numbers, it stalled out (MSP, could you please recheck the votes on that one? I counted 63 points last time I looked).Looks like I forgot to include Lord Malakite's votes. That gives 67 points to the TIE Fighter. His votes also moved the Outrider to 3rd.


There's a reason that there are 23 vehicles on the current results list, but only 20 entries in the actual poll. The TIE Bomber votes are 1 of the entires that are asking for an item not on the list (a reissue). Luke's Landspeeder was a write-in that I simply missed altogether so it didn't get any play, I feel bad even including it in the poll because it should have been on the list and since it wasn't, it tanked - maybe an asterisk for that listing. And the same thing happened on the B-wing, it wasn't pointed out as a write-in and it got lost in the shuffle.I pointed out the Landspeeder when it was voted for, but the voter didn't specify what should be different about it from previous releases. You seemed to agree with that.

The updated results:

1. Twin-pod Cloud Car.....176 points (23 votes)
2. Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind for both ESB and AOTC verisons].....123 points (17 votes)
3. Outrider (YT-2400).....111 points (16 votes)
4. AT-ST [larger redesign, differs from ESB design].....109 points (17 votes)
5. Y-Wing Fighter [larger redesign, working droid slot].....89 points (17 votes)
6. Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier).....81 points (15 votes)
7. TIE Interceptor [redesigned for accurate cockpit & wings].....81 points (13 votes)
8. Speeder Bike [redesigned to modern quality, with clear flight stand].....78 points (14 votes)
9. Escape Pod (from Tantive IV) [larger redesign, working top hatch].....72 points (12 votes)
10. TIE Fighter.....67 points (9 votes)
11. Snowspeeder [redesigned with accuracy and all features].....66 points (12 votes)
12. 9000 Z001 landspeeder.....64 points (12 votes)
13. AT-ST [Hoth design, differs from ROTJ design].....59 points (10 votes)
14. Jabba's Skiff [larger redesign].....58 points (10 votes)
15. Void Spider TX-3 Air Taxi.....46 points (9 votes)
16. X-wing Fighter [with callsign stripe stickers].....45 points (7 votes)
17. TIE Shuttle.....40 points (6 votes)
18. Air-2 racing swoop.....27 points (6 votes)
19. A-1 Deluxe Floater landspeeder.....19 points (6 votes)
20. Laser Ice-cutter.....18 points (5 votes)
21. TIE Bomber.....12 points (2 votes)
22. B-Wing.....9 points (1 vote)
23. Luke's Landspeeder.....9 points (1 vote)

JediTricks
11-05-2008, 10:16 PM
I see where that is going and can live with that. I can also send some scans to you (sorry can't post, copyright) if you'd like of the interiors from Star Wars Gamer Magazine circa 2000/2001.It'd probably be better if it was on wookieepedia so the Hasbro guys had it for reference. I think it'd be covered under the creative commons allowance.



How about on the "Fantasy" list then? After all, you never specified that the "fantasy" entries had to be specifically for size issues alone. The Buick could be a "fantasy" entry based upon the absurdity of it. :thumbsup::p



Looks like I forgot to include Lord Malakite's votes. That gives 67 points to the TIE Fighter. His votes also moved the Outrider to 3rd.Nice!


I pointed out the Landspeeder when it was voted for, but the voter didn't specify what should be different about it from previous releases. You seemed to agree with that.Was it that one? There's a lot to keep up with, I only remember we did that with the TIE Bomber, didn't remember the landspeeder. You make a good point, without explaining what should be different, it's a weak write-in.

Lord Malakite
11-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Looks like I forgot to include Lord Malakite's votes. That gives 67 points to the TIE Fighter. His votes also moved the Outrider to 3rd.

And who says your vote doesn't count in the grand scheme of things? ;)


:p
So is that a yes to the fantasy poll? :grin: Because I'd vote for it, and we all now know for certain that my vote counts. :D

Tycho
11-06-2008, 05:19 AM
The results of the OT poll were rather boring.

pbarnard
11-06-2008, 09:25 AM
It'd probably be better if it was on wookieepedia so the Hasbro guys had it for reference. I think it'd be covered under the creative commons allowance.


WotC has sent several C&D's to lots of sites who posted it (at least the internal maps). It's not, long dead issue in some RPG forrums.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-10-2008, 01:34 AM
Even though I brought up Anakin's and Plo's fighters, is it too late to amend the entries to ask for the hyperspace rings that go with them? Hasbro said that the Delta-7B will fit the existing one, and I would rather just get two in the new colors packed along with the starfighters so as not to double-dip down the road.

JediTricks
11-11-2008, 07:08 PM
Yeah, too late, 3 days before the end of the poll after all, and that's something that should have gone in the PT poll anyway.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-11-2008, 07:17 PM
Yeah, too late, 3 days before the end of the poll after all, and that's something that should have gone in the PT poll anyway.
No it's not, they're just repaints of Obi-Wan's ring to match the colors seen in the TV series (Plo's was in Shadow of Malevolence and Anakin's was in Downfall of a Droid). But we still need the ROTS one anyway. At any rate, I suppose I could pose a similar question to Hasbro themselves.

JediTricks
11-11-2008, 08:20 PM
No it's not, they're just repaints of Obi-Wan's ring to match the colors seen in the TV series (Plo's was in Shadow of Malevolence and Anakin's was in Downfall of a Droid). But we still need the ROTS one anyway. At any rate, I suppose I could pose a similar question to Hasbro themselves.Well, you can post a new version of your votes with them written into your Clone Wars list (except the ROTS one, that poll's over), MSP will count them, but the poll is over in a few hours so it's not going to make it way up the list.

I'm gonna work on the Fantasy list right now so I won't have to do the work when it goes up...


- Vehicles first seen in the Expanded Universe & Clone Wars -

Seismic Tank (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seismic_tank) (Clone Wars)
The Rogue Shadow (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rogue_Shadow) (The Force Unleashed)
Trigon One (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trigon_One) (Droids)
Sand Sloth (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sand_Sloth) (Droids)
The Malevolence (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Malevolence) (The Clone Wars)
Eclipse Star Dreadnaught (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eclipse_%28ship%29) (Dark Empire)
Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lady_Luck) (Heir to the Empire)





- Vehicles first seen in the Prequel Trilogy -

MTT (Multi-Troop Transport) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Multi-Troop_Transport)
Trade Federation Landing Craft (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/C-9979_landing_craft)
Trade Federation Battleship (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lucrehulk-class_battleship)
AT-OT (All Terrain Open Transport) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Open_Transport)
Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy_Assault_Vehicle/wheeled_A6_Juggernaut)
Acclamator-class Republic Assault Ship (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acclamator_I-class_assault_ship)
Venator-class Star Destroyer (aka Republic Attack Cruiser) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Venator-class_Star_Destroyer)
The Invisible Hand (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Invisible_Hand)
Radiant VII (aka TPM Republic Cruiser) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Radiant_VII)
Naboo Royal Cruiser (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/J-type_diplomatic_barge)
Naboo Yacht (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/H-type_Nubian_yacht)
Naboo Star Skiff (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/J-type_star_skiff)
Banking Clan Frigate (Munificent-class) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Munificent-class_star_frigate)
Commerce Guild Destroyer (Recusant-class) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Recusant-class_light_destroyer)
SPHA-T (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Self-Propelled_Heavy_Artillery)
Sith Infiltrator (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Scimitar) [significantly larger sized]
Techno Union Hardcell-class Interstellar Transport (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hardcell-class_interstellar_transport)
UT-AT (Unstable Terrain Artillery Transport) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unstable_Terrain_Artillery_Transport)





- Vehicles first seen in the Original Trilogy -

Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sail_barge)
Imperial Star Destroyer (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Destroyer)
Death Star (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Star)
Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tantive_IV)
The Executor (Super Star Destroyer) (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor-class_Star_Dreadnought)
AT-AT (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Armored_Transport) [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit]
Sandcrawler (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sandcrawler) [total redesign, larger]
Imperial Landing Craft (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sentinel-class_landing_craft)
Rebel Transport (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/GR-75_medium_transport)
Medical Frigate (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hospital_ship)
Home One (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Home_One)



That's 36 entries, 7 EU, 18 PT, and 11 OT, not a bad spread really.

JediTricks
11-12-2008, 02:13 AM
Bam! Fantasy poll is up!
http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39347

Mad Slanted Powers
11-12-2008, 08:22 AM
I'll have round 3 results posted when I get home tonight.

Lord Malakite
11-12-2008, 11:41 AM
Bam! Fantasy poll is up!
http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39347

You forgot the Buick. :sad:

Why must you deny the one vehicle of my fantasy? :hurt: A fantasy where Rebel pilots drive through the galaxy like imperial pimps and get paid for having their ladies turn out jedi tricks. :cry:

Beast
11-12-2008, 11:50 AM
You forgot the Buick. :sad:

Why must you deny the one vehicle of my fantasy? :hurt: A fantasy where Rebel pilots drive through the galaxy like pimps and get paid for having their ladies turn out tricks. :cry:
Yeah JT. How could you deny Lord Malakite's fantasy like that.

Next you'll tell him there's no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny.

JediTricks
11-12-2008, 02:17 PM
You forgot the Buick. :sad:

Why must you deny the one vehicle of my fantasy? :hurt: A fantasy where Rebel pilots drive through the galaxy like imperial pimps and get paid for having their ladies turn out jedi tricks. :cry:I didn't forget it.

I actually owned a Buick Electra 225 when I was 16, it was a mighty beast and had pneumatic shocks that could be adjusted by plugging an air pump up to a valve on the bumper. A beautiful car, but its styling was not that of a real pimpmobile.

It's not going on this list. The licensing fees alone would make it unproduceable, even pretending there's a snowball's chance in hell the team would make it into a SW toy.

And there's no Santa Bunny or Easter Claus either.

Lord Malakite
11-12-2008, 03:04 PM
I didn't forget it.

I actually owned a Buick Electra 225 when I was 16, it was a mighty beast and had pneumatic shocks that could be adjusted by plugging an air pump up to a valve on the bumper. A beautiful car, but its styling was not that of a real pimpmobile.

It's not going on this list. The licensing fees alone would make it unproduceable, even pretending there's a snowball's chance in hell the team would make it into a SW toy.

Well, I tried my best. :sleeping: It wasn't a total loss though. I did get to give your name a dirty connotation JediTricks. :D


And there's no Santa Bunny or Easter Claus either.
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tycho
11-12-2008, 03:38 PM
But there IS a Tycho. He's real. I've met him!

Anyway, with regards to the Fantasy Poll - which is the best of these vehicle polls by far, I have a LOT to say.

First my votes explained:

1) Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge - you can feature the most unique different figures actually engaged in a key battle sequence here. This ship is NOT too big to become reality - the POTC's Black Pearl Pirate Ship is the perfect example. Add extra side cannons that pop out of hidden portals, and you make this very fun for kids. (Not to mention the deck cannon that's already sculpted). This has got to be everyone's No.1 pick!

2) Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut) - This is an easy one for Hasbro to knock out. It's bascially a hollow shell, like the Vintage AT-AT mold, adding a lot of big wheels to it. I'm glad they made the AT-TE first, because the TurboTank will be less of a challenge. It could easily be made, sold, and fun for kids to roll around and fire missiles from. Furthermore, it helps complete my Battle of Kashyyyk diorama which is an important factor in why I voted so highly in favor of it.

3) Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner) - While I built one (almost) exactly as I'd want Hasbro to make it, they could produce something like my custom ship and have all the intricate details that the ship requires. The very first battle of any Star Wars movie appeared on screen here. They need to make this ship. Mine is 5 feet long. That's larger than the BMF, presumably twice its size. But it can be done. I of all people know that.

4) Imperial Star Destroyer - I will build this myself, capable of launching my extra TIE Bomber (folded wings) from its belly-port. I only imagine my custom being about 7 to 9 feet long. This IS definitely a fantasy vehicle, but not impossible, considering the USS Flag for the 1980's GI Joe line. The Destroyer will be less impressive to staff, because instead of even dueling Rebel and Imperial personnel, you'll only have the latter and maybe the bounty hunters to display on this ship.

5) Death Star - wishful thinking. Here I envision a playset more than a vehicle. But it was on the list, so I voted for it.

6) Trade Federation Battleship - This would be cool if you could display something so massive.

7) Medical Frigate - The end of ESB is epic as Luke and Leia watch the Millennium Falcon depart in search of Han Solo. I just have a soft-spot for the scene and would spend $$$ to set it up.

8) Naboo Yacht - I would like to display Anakin, Padme, C-3PO, and R2D2 as they blast off Tatooine for their first adventure together - to go to Geonosis and rescue Obi-Wan Kenobi.

9) The Invisible Hand - Playsets might work better here - but I think you could sculpt the whole ship out of scale and still have the bridge, landing bay, and observation chamber where Dooku dies. I plan to set up those scenes. It's not my priority to build it in a toy of the entire ship - but if it were offered - I'd buy.

10) Home One - This would be awesome to set up with Rebel fighters and the Falcon in the hanger bay (and the Imperial Shuttle, too!) The briefing lounge is a scene I'm building anyway. And Admiral Ackbar would get a ship!

Now I liked some of the following ideas:

Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck (Heir to the Empire) - a great EU ship with a lot of character and one that featured all the main cast of characters aboard her at one point or another.

MTT (Multi-Troop Transport) - I like the Lego one. This could be made and look sweet in my dioramas. It's not a priority for me, but I'd definitely buy one or even two!

Radiant VII (aka TPM Republic Cruiser) - I like the ship's style. The Lego version of this craft also looks cool. The color's are nice, too.


Naboo Star Skiff - is Padme's ROTS ship really that big that it's fantasy class? I somehow doubt it and think you could put this in a $20 box. I do want the ship, but not as badly as the AOTC one with a 4-seat cockpit. The ROTS craft is just nicer looking though. So I'd buy this.

Sith Infiltrator [significantly larger sized] - here is where size really mattered. I thought they could do this as a $20 ship until I got it. Maybe my attitude towards it will change again. But for now, I put this one immediately into storage. I don't think it needs to be redone now. I bought it mainly to hang one from my ceiling above my prequel Tatooine displays (not display landed and obviously out of scale to Darth Maul). But if it was redone in a better, larger scale. I think I just might buy.

Well, that's it. Some of the other ships I didn't even list, also have merit. But the ones I discussed I was most excited about - especially the ones I voted for.

So that's the word.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-12-2008, 06:44 PM
Results from Round 3


1. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version).....174 points (20 votes)
2. Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle).....140 points (19 votes)
3. The Twilight.....106 points (16 votes)
4. Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter.....95 points (13 votes)
5. CR20 Troop Carrier.....73 points (10 votes)
6. IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike.....66 points (11 votes)
7. Republic Lancer Swoop Bike.....60 points (11 votes)
8. Manta Droid Subfighter.....55 points (11 votes)
9. Republic Artillery Gun.....50 points (7 votes)
10. Trade Federation Mini-Sub.....45 points (9 votes)
11. Pod Hunter (aka Separatist Boarding Craft).....41 points (9 votes)
12. Republic Gunship [show-accurate with new doors and modified hull design, optional sticker sheet nose art].....36 points (7 votes)
13. Saesee Tiin's Eta-2 Jedi Starfighter [green & gray recolor].....36 points (7 votes)
14. Anakin's Delta-7B Jedi Starfighter [different colors from Obi-Wan's, yellow & dark gray].....32 points (5 votes)
15. Hyena Droid Bomber [not yet appeared in the series, but LEGO has one coming Jan '09].....31 points (7 votes)
16. Plo Koon's Delta-7B Jedi Starfighter [different colors from Obi-Wan's, similar to his ROTS colors].....19 points (3 votes)
17. Plo Koon's life pod [seen in Rising Malevolence].....10 points (4 votes)

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-12-2008, 07:28 PM
Was my request for Anakin's ship to have a hyperspace ring just ignored, or . . . ?

Mad Slanted Powers
11-12-2008, 07:45 PM
Was my request for Anakin's ship to have a hyperspace ring just ignored, or . . . ?

Should I take points away from the ship that is on the list to create a separate entry that has only one vote? Even as it is, his ship was 14th in the voting.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-12-2008, 10:17 PM
Should I take points away from the ship that is on the list to create a separate entry that has only one vote? Even as it is, his ship was 14th in the voting.
Eh, I guess not. You can leave it as it is. I wish I had included this earlier, though. As it was, I guess, we didn't see this in the show until last week, so it's not too bad.

JediTricks
11-12-2008, 10:47 PM
MSP, thanks again, as usual! I'm blown away by the huge points difference between first and second place, and second and third. I thought the Gunship would have placed higher, but generally that list is about what I expected.

Tycho
11-13-2008, 10:23 AM
Results from Round 3


1. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version) - doubt I'd buy
2. Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle) - no thanks
3. The Twilight....yeah - I think I'd want this one if they made it cool!
4. Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter - yes I'd buy one
5. CR20 Troop Carrier no - too much Clone stuff
6. IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike - maybe, but I'm not too interested
7. Republic Lancer Swoop Bike.....OK - if I was getting the IG Droids on bikes...
8. Manta Droid Subfighter....yes. The Kit Fisto episode was cool.
9. Republic Artillery Gun.....eh. I don't think so, but maybe.
10. Trade Federation Mini-Sub.....yes, again I liked the Mon Calamari sequence
11. Pod Hunter (aka Separatist Boarding Craft).....no thanks.
12. Republic Gunship - no. I own 5 already. Maybe 6 but I hope not.
13. Saesee Tiin's Eta-2 Jedi Starfighter - no
14. Anakin's Delta-7B Jedi Starfighter - no
15. Hyena Droid Bomber - I don't know. Didn't see this yet.
16. Plo Koon's Delta-7B Jedi Starfighter -no. Enough from Plo Koon's fans already.
17. Plo Koon's life pod [seen in Rising Malevolence] - no

Devo
11-13-2008, 05:46 PM
These were my votes in the fantasy poll. I voted only for OT vehicles as I've sworn off anything else due to my rising 1/6th expenditure. I know we're supposed to leave aside considerations of feasability and 'likelihood' but I couldn't help factor them in.

1) jabba's sailbarge (obviously I disagree with hasbro's stance on this one. I think its too important a vehicle to not do. More important than many PT 'aggressive' vehicles that have mere seconds of screentime)
2) sandcrawler (because the old one is just ridiculously small, its a lorry not the mobile factory its supposed to be. A larger one would look great in dioramas.)
3) Tantive IV (as tycho said this is the scene of the first Star wars battle - inside and out - I wouldn't care if key parts of the interior occupied what would realistically be the engines)
4) Star destroyer exterior/Executor bridge (I combined these two because I think the notion of them making a full exterior model of the Executor is too ridiculous - more likely they'd make a Star Destroyer and incorporate the Executor's interiors into it which would be fine by me)
5) rebel transport (because it was a vintage vehicle and would suit Hoth dioramas)
6) AT-AT (not imperative for me but it seems a likely candidate Hasbro might consider - could do with more faithfully recreated interiors and exteriors)
7) Imperial landing craft (I place this one here because it would not have to be massive and is therefore a more realistic option than the ones to follow - would add nicely to sandtrooper search dioramas)
8) Home one (forget about the hangar straight off, I know its a 'fantasy' poll but come on - whats the point in even thinking about that. This might have some of the bridge and a shrunken briefing room, which I'd buy this for, but I placed it here because of its sheer unlikelihood)
9) Medical frigate (for only one interior setting seen on film this gets my ninth place - I'd want it out of OT completism but again its unlikelihood makes me not give it much thought)
10) Death star (well...is it vehicle or playset. I can't see a full globe being considered - a sphere would not be conducive to fitting in all the many interiors we would want...I don't think. You'd certainly never get a useful hangar bay in there - I think seperate playsets are the most likely option and Hasbro doesn't want to touch those - maybe UBPs? In any case I don't see the Death star as a vehicle hence its 10th place in my vote)

bigbarada
11-13-2008, 06:34 PM
The AT-AT is number one for me. I'd sell my BMF Falcon to afford a new AT-AT.

The Star Destroyer would also be a "must buy" if done well (meaning about the size of couch); but I doubt I would be able to afford it no matter how much I wanted it.

Everything else on my list would be cool, but unless I had the money and space to spare, then I wouldn't go out of my way to buy any of it.

JediTricks
11-13-2008, 07:30 PM
I know we're supposed to leave aside considerations of feasability and 'likelihood' but I couldn't help factor them in. No, that's more than fine, I would hope all fans would think this way, but they asked to do fantasy so we're letting them leave those considerations aside if they want - however, I think it should be taken into account.



4) Star destroyer exterior/Executor bridge (I combined these two because I think the notion of them making a full exterior model of the Executor is too ridiculous - more likely they'd make a Star Destroyer and incorporate the Executor's interiors into it which would be fine by me)The Executor bridge set is identical to the regular Star Destroyer bridge in the films, so I don't think it's necessary to do this write-in that way, you're just costing the Star Destroyer a vote that way. You're welcome to do so, but it seems very unnecessary.


7) Imperial landing craft (I place this one here because it would not have to be massive and is therefore a more realistic option than the ones to follow - would add nicely to sandtrooper search dioramas)I disagree about how large it'd have to be. The main body is so thin top to bottom that the only way to get figures in there is either to do this ship HUGE (like, 3 times as large as the current Imperial Shuttle) or fatten it up like the blobby LEGO version.



The AT-AT is number one for me. I'd sell my BMF Falcon to afford a new AT-AT.AAACK!!! In the immortal words of Darth Vader, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"


Like Tycho, I'm going to comment on the Clone Wars final results:

1. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version) - I would absolutely buy this. It's a great design, it harkens back to the concept art for the Y-wing, and it's the only vehicle to really bridge the PT and OT designs well.

2. Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle) - I'd buy this, I think this is a nifty design, it's not the most exciting but it actually has an aggressive, bold profile. Plus, it's got troops in the nose, that's cool.

3. The Twilight - I might buy this, but it depends entirely on execution. Scale is right out the window, but features and use of space could make all the difference. I'm betting I wouldn't buy it though because it needs whoosh factor and it'd be next to impossible to get in a satisfying scale.

4. Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter - I'd buy this, it's an exciting design and has some unusual concepts. Plus, it's begging for a cool action gimmick.

5. CR20 Troop Carrier - no thanks. This design is boring to me.

6. IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike - yeah, bikes are cool! Droids on bikes while jousting? Even cooler!

7. Republic Lancer Swoop Bike - I'd only get this if they made the previous. It's not as exciting a design on its own.

8. Manta Droid Subfighter - this thing looks nifty, it'd make a good space design as well, I'd definitely buy it.

9. Republic Artillery Gun - eh, probably not, it's just a gun with a seat on legs, not thrilling. It's like the AT-TE without any of the cool stuff.

10. Trade Federation Mini-Sub - I'd probably buy this, but it's not a thrilling design, it's a little too much prawn and not enough SW.

11. Pod Hunter (aka Separatist Boarding Craft) - I think this thing looks wicked, it took me a minute to really picture it as a toy but once I did, it looks hella dangerous as a fighter, beyond its original intent.

12. Republic Gunship [show-accurate with new doors and modified hull design, optional sticker sheet nose art] - I'd probably buy this if it wasn't too much, I like the spaceworthiness design, it's more believable than the AOTC version.

13. Saesee Tiin's Eta-2 Jedi Starfighter [green & gray recolor] - easy pass, I don't care about these JSF repaints.

14. Anakin's Delta-7B Jedi Starfighter [different colors from Obi-Wan's, yellow & dark gray] - ditto.

15. Hyena Droid Bomber [not yet appeared in the series, but LEGO has one coming Jan '09] - I would buy this, but I'd really hope they'd release a new Vulture Droid to go with it, so they can interact - mommy and baby walking killer droid fighters. Plus, the CIS need more $20 space fighters.

16. Plo Koon's Delta-7B Jedi Starfighter [different colors from Obi-Wan's, similar to his ROTS colors] - see previous JSF comments.

17. Plo Koon's life pod [seen in Rising Malevolence] - I'm not sure about this, it's a pretty boring ship, but it has a lot of storytelling potential for play purposes. If Hasbro could come up with something really nifty for it to do, I'd get it.

Devo
11-13-2008, 08:42 PM
I guess what I meant about the landing craft is that its not a capital ship. Ideally it'd still want to be big but Hasbro would quite likely shrink it a great deal if they went as far as to make it - considering its tiny amount of screentime in the ANH SE.

For the Star destroyer, if you reckon, as I do, that a toy of the ISD would incorporate Executor sets like the bridge and meditation room (since all we saw of a basic ISDs interior was the bridge in ESB) then count my vote for the Imperial Star destroyer as opposed to the Executor. If Hasbro go this big then its going to be one or the other - not both. So let it be the ISD - its frame would be more likely to fit certain interior features anyway

JediTricks
11-13-2008, 08:56 PM
Ah, I see what you mean. There are a few entries on the list that aren't capitals. The AT-OT is technically the most doable, it's the same size as the AT-TE, but since we didn't get a ton of ships like the AT-TE in the past, I treat it, the Naboo Royal Starship, and the Falcon like fantasy entries come true.


The meditation room is a tricky one, that's the element that we don't know is on every SD, but since Kenner put it on their SD back in the day, I think it's fair to expect it on a modern version. Since we're not doing this as playsets (the Death Star entry is a cheat, I'll give you), it's hard to ask specifically for the Executor bridge inside the Star Destroyer body. You may want to not only stick with your write-in, but actually write in the meditation room into it as well.

Devo
11-14-2008, 09:36 AM
The thing is I don't see them making any of these vehicles as big as couches as some have asked - even vehicles like an ISD. So you're never going to get the bridge to fit where the bridge is actually supposed to be in the film model. Likewise on the Tantive IV, all that engine space would have to be used for rooms that wouldn't realistically be there in a real ship. I'd be fine with that. With these vehicles, apart from the likes of the sandcrawler, their main selling point for me is the interiors since we know Hasbro are reluctant to do playsets.

I prioritise the interiors because obviously we're never going to get the ISD in scale with the Tantive or any other vehicle - better to get the interiors somewhat in scale with the figures. For me, the capital ships only need to be as big as they need to be in order to fit the key film sets for the figures. When we're talking that size I don't care about accurate scale between vehicles. We'll never get them made if we insist Hasbro try to make them big enough to be able to fit other ships in their bellies etc. Now, having said that I also don't want Hasbro taking this approach as a license to make it ridiculously small like the Sith Infiltrator - if its possible to make the bridge as big as it is should be in relation to the figures then I'd like that they do that, rather than shrinking the bridge and making the overall ship smaller than the Naboo royal starship.

So yes, although it wouldn't be accurate I'd like them to use the main body of the ISD for the bridge as its the only place a decent sized bridge would fit - I know theres supposed to be windows but I envision a compromise with these just being painted - sculpted frames but painted black with a starfield. I also think someone, maybe stillakid, had the idea of putting the meditation chamber into the tower (supposed to be the bridge) where there'd be some vertical height that it'd need. Of course such a feature might render our Vader 500th set moot.

I'll be back to this thread, just need to see what format the 'write-ins' are taking.

OK I guess my personal (longwinded) write-in for the ISD would go like this:

- Imperial Star Destroyer [featuring bridge in main body - as close to accurate scale&detail as possible / Vaders meditation chamber set below tower - no need for realistic placement of 'rooms' inside ship / size of overall ship dictated only by necessities of interior features rather than concerns of scale with other vehicles / external detail and proportions as accurate as possible]

obi-dad
11-14-2008, 11:04 AM
The thing is I don't see them making any of these vehicles as big as couches as some have asked - even vehicles like an ISD. So you're never going to get the bridge to fit where the bridge is actually supposed to be in the film model. Likewise on the Tantive IV, all that engine space would have to be used for rooms that wouldn't realistically be there in a real ship. I'd be fine with that. With these vehicles, apart from the likes of the sandcrawler, their main selling point for me is the interiors since we know Hasbro are reluctant to do playsets.

This is why I didn't vote for any of these vehicles. To make them large enough just to fit the necessary interiors I want (ie playsets) the vehicles would be way too large, even if they made it like the Falcon, so that not all the ship is in the correct proportions and the ship isn't really to scale with the X-wings/Y-wings/A-wings/Ties, etc. My belief is that Hasbro would never make the Tantive IV & Star Destroyer large enough to fit these interiors (ie the 5-6 ft at least that some have described). I believe Hasbro would reconsider their stance on playsets before making these large enough to interact with figures and have the key requested interiors. As Tycho has stated, Hasbro could do these... and I totally believe they could (but they won't) and that they are much more likely [change their minds and] make the requested playsets/diorama pieces before making these in this scale. I have the ... can't remember what it was called now... Action Fleet??? the 1 to 1 1/2 feet long electronic Tantive IV & Star Destoryer. I would like them larger than that (maybe 2.5-3.5 feet), but I'd much rather have the playsets (due to size & cost) than these vehicles the size required to house all the interiors I would want.

Devo
11-14-2008, 06:59 PM
This is why I didn't vote for any of these vehicles. To make them large enough just to fit the necessary interiors I want (ie playsets) the vehicles would be way too large

Ok but apart from the bridge and Vader's meditation (and Emperor hologram) chamber what Star destroyer interiors, for example, did we ever see? I think these 2 could be fit into a large Star destroyer toy at a decent scale in relation to the figures. Forget about hangar bays. We just have to content ourselves with our own makeshift ones. I admit that Hasbro might not be keen on this, they might insist on fictional action orientated features that would take up space - like the escape pod on the BMF - I would have preferred had that space been used to extend the main hold into a larger area making it less cramped for Lukes sabre practice.


I believe Hasbro would reconsider their stance on playsets before making these large enough to interact with figures and have the key requested interiors.

Yes, I agree here, its possible - especially when we consider that we don't even know if Hasbro will be satisfied enough with sales on the BMF and AT-TE to continue doing BMF pricepoint vehicles.

bigbarada
11-14-2008, 07:31 PM
AAACK!!! In the immortal words of Darth Vader, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"

:D Would that get me banished from the site?:D:D:D

Tycho
11-15-2008, 11:26 AM
My custom Tantive IV does everything you saw the ship do in the movie. Everything.

Its main body (of my 5 foot long ship) is the corridor where 5 Rebel Fleet Trooper action figures are shooting at 11 boarding Stormtroopers and Darth Vader.

A star destroyer never has to be made to scale to this ship - and never will be. But you can do a star destroyer (I plan to) that's about 7-9 feet long.

The customs on the interenet held the Shuttle Tyderium in its underbelly! I just want to hold one bent-wing TIE (bomber or Vader's). The internet custom even launced the regular TIE and the bomber from one of the rear docking bays in the NECK! I think that ship was more the size of a 14 footer though. I don't think you need to go that big. However, the bridge with the crew pits and catwalk were positioned right were they needed to be. There was all the bounty hunters on the catwalk, and probably 3 Imperial Officers in each crew pit. That's good enough.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-15-2008, 12:38 PM
Maybe what should be done instead is have a company make blueprints or plans on how to build your own.

DarkJedi5
11-15-2008, 01:29 PM
That;s actually a pretty good idea. Hard to make money on it though because it would be pretty easy to share them and you're probably only ever gonna build one but I could see a lot of people being interested, or at least enough to merrit the time and energy to create the plans in the first place.

Tycho
11-15-2008, 03:52 PM
LOL. I created my plans for my capital ships (blockade runner, star destroyer, and Jabba's sailbarge) by drawing in my old economics textbook while I was bored in college. At the end of the semester, I didn't sell that book back, but used the patterns to sketch out larger patterns on butcherpaper (real butcherpaper I got from the grocery store). Then I set up my Fleet Troopers fighting my stormtroopers on the butcherpaper, and drew the blockade runner around them. Taking measurements of my final drawing that was on a 1:1 scale with the action figures (the drawing, not a blockade runner that was realistically scaled to the figures), I had a plastics company cut and assemble the parts.

I bought the Collector Series Tantive IV to have the workers keep on site while they were constructing my ship, so they'd know what they were building. I also provided a Hasbro stormtrooper to make sure all the doorways and hatches were correctly scaled to him.

When I own a large house, with the room for such a ship (yes - instead of placing another couch), I will have my star destroyer constructed.

The sailbarge is still a possibility for Hasbro. I will wait several more years. That they made the BMF gives me the echo of hope. However, Hasbro might still not make Jabba's craft as well as I'd imagined it being. In that case, I will probably go ahead with my plans to build my own.

obi-dad
11-15-2008, 08:10 PM
I was REALLY surprised (and disappointed) when Hasbro stated how unlikely Jabba's Sailbarge was. In my opinion, it would be the next most likely canidate. AT-AT's have been released about 3 or 4 times and at least one of those times, they were clearanced out for $9.99. The Slave 1 is pretty close to what it needs to be (well, closer than the AT-AT). And the Sandcrawler is definitely not very aggressive, as Hasbro wants for new vehicles. Jabba's Sailbarge has it's aggressive points, is VERY iconic, and offers a ton of playability.

I've stated over and over my feelings about making a 5+ plus anything (but specifically the Tantive IV & a ISD). Hasbro even stated the orginal plans for the BMF were for a 3-4 foot one, but they made [the designer....can't remember his name] scale it down to what we got. If they won't approve a larger Falcon, then they won't make the Tantive to those scales. But, I wish everyone that wants one, that they get their wish. It definitely would be nice if there was a division of Hasbro that operated under SideShow's (or GG's) business model by making something very detailed to a smaller audience for a larger pricetag. I personally think playsets would sellout if done with this model.

But, back to why I originally was going to post... explaining my votes:

1. Jabba's Sail Barge - I'm really shocked this wasn't minimally in the top 5 of everyone's vote
2. AT-AT - Think I'm reconsidering and putting the Sandcrawler at #2, but this would be so cool to have about 3 of these with a more accurate sculpt and closer to scale.
3. Sandcrawler - creating the "Sale of the Droids" scene with this one is just laughable. Just sitting all the droids side by side is nearly the entire length of the vehicle and 3-po & R1's mid-sections come up over the top of the treads.

For me to spend this type of money and devote the space, the vehicle would have to be from the OT. So, back to the Star Destroyer & Tantive IV... I believe they would have to be at least 5+ feet long to interact with the figures and have the interiors I would want. In that case, I don't believe fans (and especially me) would support these vehicles (due to size & costs) like they could with the 3 I voted for. And, everytime any SW toy fails for Hasbro is bad news for the collectors for the next new thing. Now, if we do a voting poll for playsets including the Tantive hallway and the room c3po, r2 run into and meet leia, the SD bridge, those would be near the top of my list (with the Cantina & Jabba's palace).

Mad Slanted Powers
11-19-2008, 07:24 PM
My apologies, I was preoccupied and didn't realize Round 4 was over. I'll have results later tonight.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-19-2008, 08:46 PM
Here are the results. I totally spaced on this round and forgot to vote, and I just put all the tallies together tonight. Let me know if you see any errors.

1. TIE Defender.....71 points (8 votes)
2. TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank).....65 points (7 votes)
3. Chiss Clawcraft.....64 points (9 votes)
4. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....56 points (8 votes)
5. Virago [Prince Xizor's starfighter].....46 points (6 votes)
6. Ewok Battlewagon.....46 points (6 votes)
7. E-wing Starfighter.....44 points (6 votes)
8. TIE Phantom.....41 points (7 votes)
9. Punishing One [Dengar's ship].....36 points (6 votes)
10. Hound's Tooth [Bossk's ship].....35 points (5 votes)
11. Scorpenek Annihilator Droid [3.5-meter-tall droid].....35 points (4 votes)
12. MAAT (Multi Attitude Assault Transport).....33 points (4 votes)
13. Mist Hunter [Zuckuss' ship].....32 points (6 votes)
14. Vehicle Maintenance Energizer [update of Kenner design].....26 points (5 votes)
15. AT-PT.....26 points (5 votes)
16. TIE Oppressor.....25 points (5 votes)
17. Z-95 Headhunter.....24 points (4 votes)
18. Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper Starfighter.....23 points (5 votes)
19. Imperial Troop Transport [update of Kenner design].....23 points (3 votes)
20. The Moldy Crow [Kyle Katarn's original ship].....22 points (4 votes)
21. The Ebon Hawk.....19 points (2 votes)
22. TIE Hunter.....18 points (4 votes)
23. TIE Interdictor (aka Advanced TIE Bomber).....17 points (4 votes)
24. Skipray Blastboat.....16 points (3 votes)
25. The White Witch.....15 points (4 votes)
26. Endor Forest Ranger [update of Kenner mini-rig].....14 points (4 votes)
27. Slave II.....14 points (3 votes)
28. V-wing Airspeeder [totally different from V-wing Starfighter].....12 points (3 votes)
29. Ultra Battle Droid [5-meter-tall super battle droid variant].....11 points (2 votes)
30. Uggernaught.....11 points (2 votes)
31. CIS Ground Armored Tank.....10 points (2 votes)
32. Bes'uliik [Mandalorian fighter].....9 points (4 votes)
33. Alpha-class XG-1 Star Wing (aka Assault Gunboat).....9 points (2 votes)
34. TIE/ad Starfighter.....9 points (2 votes)
35. Desert Sail Skiff [update of Kenner mini-rig].....9 points (2 votes)
36. Naboo Bomber.....9 points (2 votes)
37. TIE/D Automated Starfighter (aka TIE Drone).....7 points (4 votes)
38. INT-4 (aka Imperial Interceptor) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....7 points (2 votes)
39. The Raven's Claw [Kyle Katarn's second ship].....7 points (1 vote)
40. Trade Federation Gunboat.....7 points (1 vote)
41. Basilisk War Droid.....6 points (2 votes)
42. MLC-3 (aka Rebel Mobile Laser Cannon) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....6 points (1 vote)
43. TIE Aggressor.....6 points (1 vote)
44. Cruisemissile Trooper [total revamp].....5 points (1 vote)
45. CAP-2 (aka Bounty Hunter Captivator) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....4 points (2 votes)
46. ISP-6 (aka Imperial Shuttle Pod) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....4 points (1 vote)
47. MTV-7 (aka Imperial Multi-Terrain Vehicle) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....3 points (1 vote)
48. Naboo Police Cruiser.....3 points (1 vote)
49. AST-5 (aka Jabba's Armored Sentinel Transport) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....2 points (1 vote)

Tycho
11-19-2008, 11:59 PM
I really like and would buy several of the winners here:


3. Chiss Clawcraft.....64 points (9 votes)
4. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....56 points (8 votes)
5. Virago [Prince Xizor's starfighter].....46 points (6 votes)
9. Punishing One [Dengar's ship].....36 points (6 votes)
10. Hound's Tooth [Bossk's ship].....35 points (5 votes)

Good choices people!

Mad Slanted Powers
11-20-2008, 12:35 AM
I forgot to vote. My votes wouldn't have helped the Moldy Crow, Ebon Hawk or Z-95 make the top 10.

JediTricks
11-20-2008, 01:11 AM
I was REALLY surprised (and disappointed) when Hasbro stated how unlikely Jabba's Sailbarge was. In my opinion, it would be the next most likely canidate. AT-AT's have been released about 3 or 4 times and at least one of those times, they were clearanced out for $9.99. The Slave 1 is pretty close to what it needs to be (well, closer than the AT-AT). And the Sandcrawler is definitely not very aggressive, as Hasbro wants for new vehicles. Jabba's Sailbarge has it's aggressive points, is VERY iconic, and offers a ton of playability.Sail Barge if it was done as big as Zizzle's Pirates of the Carribean Black Pearl would be around as long as the Millennium Falcon, a little taller (minus the masts), and about 2/3rds as wide. It'd be bigger than the AT-TE sans legs. Tragically, it appears Hasbro can't produced for Star Wars something that big under $100. We destroyed them with our Sail Barge arguments - in the current media, aggressive, main characters galore, extremely identifiable with a major SW character - but even though they saw what we drove at, they couldn't see all that getting it past the "who, what where, how much?!?" aspect they felt casual collectors would have.



Here are the results. I totally spaced on this round and forgot to vote, and I just put all the tallies together tonight. Let me know if you see any errors.

1. TIE Defender.....71 points (8 votes)
2. TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank).....65 points (7 votes)
3. Chiss Clawcraft.....64 points (9 votes)
4. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....56 points (8 votes)
5. Virago [Prince Xizor's starfighter].....46 points (6 votes)
6. Ewok Battlewagon.....46 points (6 votes)
7. E-wing Starfighter.....44 points (6 votes)
8. TIE Phantom.....41 points (7 votes)
9. Punishing One [Dengar's ship].....36 points (6 votes)
10. Hound's Tooth [Bossk's ship].....35 points (5 votes)
11. Scorpenek Annihilator Droid [3.5-meter-tall droid].....35 points (4 votes)
12. MAAT (Multi Attitude Assault Transport).....33 points (4 votes)
13. Mist Hunter [Zuckuss' ship].....32 points (6 votes)
14. Vehicle Maintenance Energizer [update of Kenner design].....26 points (5 votes)
15. AT-PT.....26 points (5 votes)
16. TIE Oppressor.....25 points (5 votes)
17. Z-95 Headhunter.....24 points (4 votes)
18. Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper Starfighter.....23 points (5 votes)
19. Imperial Troop Transport [update of Kenner design].....23 points (3 votes)
20. The Moldy Crow [Kyle Katarn's original ship].....22 points (4 votes)
21. The Ebon Hawk.....19 points (2 votes)
22. TIE Hunter.....18 points (4 votes)
23. TIE Interdictor (aka Advanced TIE Bomber).....17 points (4 votes)
24. Skipray Blastboat.....16 points (3 votes)
25. The White Witch.....15 points (4 votes)
26. Endor Forest Ranger [update of Kenner mini-rig].....14 points (4 votes)
27. Slave II.....14 points (3 votes)
28. V-wing Airspeeder [totally different from V-wing Starfighter].....12 points (3 votes)
29. Ultra Battle Droid [5-meter-tall super battle droid variant].....11 points (2 votes)
30. Uggernaught.....11 points (2 votes)
31. CIS Ground Armored Tank.....10 points (2 votes)
32. Bes'uliik [Mandalorian fighter].....9 points (4 votes)
33. Alpha-class XG-1 Star Wing (aka Assault Gunboat).....9 points (2 votes)
34. TIE/ad Starfighter.....9 points (2 votes)
35. Desert Sail Skiff [update of Kenner mini-rig].....9 points (2 votes)
36. Naboo Bomber.....9 points (2 votes)
37. TIE/D Automated Starfighter (aka TIE Drone).....7 points (4 votes)
38. INT-4 (aka Imperial Interceptor) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....7 points (2 votes)
39. The Raven's Claw [Kyle Katarn's second ship].....7 points (1 vote)
40. Trade Federation Gunboat.....7 points (1 vote)
41. Basilisk War Droid.....6 points (2 votes)
42. MLC-3 (aka Rebel Mobile Laser Cannon) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....6 points (1 vote)
43. TIE Aggressor.....6 points (1 vote)
44. Cruisemissile Trooper [total revamp].....5 points (1 vote)
45. CAP-2 (aka Bounty Hunter Captivator) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....4 points (2 votes)
46. ISP-6 (aka Imperial Shuttle Pod) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....4 points (1 vote)
47. MTV-7 (aka Imperial Multi-Terrain Vehicle) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....3 points (1 vote)
48. Naboo Police Cruiser.....3 points (1 vote)
49. AST-5 (aka Jabba's Armored Sentinel Transport) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....2 points (1 vote)Can't believe you forgot to vote. Better vote on the Fantasy poll soon then, before you forget that too. :p If you must vote in the EU poll, I'll sign off on that, after all, you are the official tallymaster.

Anyway, thanks for posting the list. I'm supremely bummed at how poorly the Moldy Crow did, and the Virago at 5th is still lower than I'd like.

I am however thrilled at how highly the TX-130 placed.

Good job using the number of votes to break ties, I like that.

I can't believe how spread out these votes are, they are really all over the map! Look how a vehicle with half the votes of the top vote-earner can end up at 32nd place!!!

Mad Slanted Powers
11-20-2008, 01:23 AM
I just kind of lost track of where we were. I know I was a bit confused when I posted last week's results and saw that the fantasy poll had just started. I knew each poll went two weeks and I was wondering what I had missed. I had just forgotten about it and hadn't tallied any votes until tonight. If you say it is okay, I'll post my votes tomorrow, though it probably won't change too much.

Tycho
11-20-2008, 02:40 AM
I am also very pleased with how well Xizor's Virago did in the EU poll.

That the IG-2000 ranked so high is just awesome. I would buy the Clone Wars Magna Guards' fighter ships to fill in for IG-88's ship were those made, but this gave me hope for the bounty hunter's real ship as it appeared in SOTE and the Droids cartoon.

bigbarada
11-20-2008, 10:16 AM
I'm happy to see that the Hound's Tooth made it to the top ten. I was worried when I didn't see too many people voting for it, but those of us who did ranked it high enough for it to make it and I guess the votes were pretty spread out overall.

I'm also please, and somewhat shocked that the Ewok Battlewagon did as well as it did.

Slicker
11-20-2008, 10:47 AM
I'm sorry but I utterly refuse to participate in a poll where the Cruisemissle Trooper doesn't rank higher than fifth. Sorry boys. :thumbsup:

Tycho
11-20-2008, 11:13 AM
While I voted for it, The Hound's Toothe concerns me that Hasbro wouldn't make it big enough. The ship is a light freighter, probably more along the lines of the size of the Millennium Falcon (BMF size).

At a minimum, Bossk needs a cockpit, space for 2 passengers, and 1 or more cages for prisoners. The Pup, a small loading and boarding craft (mini-rig sized) should detach from the ship as well.

The Bounty Hunters open a whole new play pattern for kids and Star Wars, but I don't have any sense that Hasbro will consider this. It's a gamble, granted. And it will require marketing support in the forms of media ads and maybe comic books - and better yet, an animated production.

With rumors that a live-action show might feature Boba Fett, this could still happen that way too, though.

bigbarada
11-20-2008, 02:03 PM
While I voted for it, The Hound's Toothe concerns me that Hasbro wouldn't make it big enough. The ship is a light freighter, probably more along the lines of the size of the Millennium Falcon (BMF size).

At a minimum, Bossk needs a cockpit, space for 2 passengers, and 1 or more cages for prisoners. The Pup, a small loading and boarding craft (mini-rig sized) should detach from the ship as well.

The Bounty Hunters open a whole new play pattern for kids and Star Wars, but I don't have any sense that Hasbro will consider this. It's a gamble, granted. And it will require marketing support in the forms of media ads and maybe comic books - and better yet, an animated production.

With rumors that a live-action show might feature Boba Fett, this could still happen that way too, though.

I really hope that more OT bounty hunters get written into the Clone Wars cartoon. There's no reason why we can't see Bossk, 4-LOM or Zuckuss in the show. Maybe even an adolescent Boba Fett.

I would happily throw these characters' established EU continuity in the fire if it improves chances that their ships get made into toys. I honestly don't care about what some 12 year old short-story says about Bossk, I would rather see him in the show (besides they made him look like a fool in that book).

JediTricks
11-20-2008, 06:48 PM
I just kind of lost track of where we were. I know I was a bit confused when I posted last week's results and saw that the fantasy poll had just started. I knew each poll went two weeks and I was wondering what I had missed. I had just forgotten about it and hadn't tallied any votes until tonight. If you say it is okay, I'll post my votes tomorrow, though it probably won't change too much.Yeah, it's fine, you deserve it considering how much help you've been. Post your vote here and I'll either edit an existing post of yours in that thread, or just move the post to the thread.

Next week, I'll need results for the Fantasy poll before noon Wednesday though, can't forget on that one as that'll be the first round of phase 2.



I am also very pleased with how well Xizor's Virago did in the EU poll.

That the IG-2000 ranked so high is just awesome. I would buy the Clone Wars Magna Guards' fighter ships to fill in for IG-88's ship were those made, but this gave me hope for the bounty hunter's real ship as it appeared in SOTE and the Droids cartoon.IMO, the IG-2000 is the only other Bounty Hunter ship that has any style aside from Slave I. The rest aren't as exciting shapes, but IG-88's ship is actually more interesting than its owner even. Its shape I think would lend well to the $20 pricepoint, even though the ship technically should be much bigger than that.


I'm sorry but I utterly refuse to participate in a poll where the Cruisemissle Trooper doesn't rank higher than fifth. Sorry boys. :thumbsup:IF YOU HAD VOTED FOR IT, IT WOULD HAVE RANKED HIGHER!!! I was the ONLY one who voted for the poor Cruisemissile Trooper. :( Nobody loves the Cruisemissile Trooper. :p

Mad Slanted Powers
11-22-2008, 04:10 PM
The makes the new results as follows:

1. TIE Defender.....77 points (9 votes)
2. Chiss Clawcraft.....65 points (10 votes)
3. TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank).....65 points (7 votes)
4. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....56 points (8 votes)
5. E-wing Starfighter.....47 points (7 votes)
6. Ewok Battlewagon.....46 points (6 votes)
7. Virago [Prince Xizor's starfighter].....46 points (6 votes)
8. TIE Phantom.....41 points (7 votes)
9. Punishing One [Dengar's ship].....36 points (6 votes)
10. Hound's Tooth [Bossk's ship].....35 points (5 votes)
11. Scorpenek Annihilator Droid [3.5-meter-tall droid].....35 points (4 votes)
12. Z-95 Headhunter.....34 points (5 votes)
13. MAAT (Multi Attitude Assault Transport).....33 points (4 votes)
14. Mist Hunter [Zuckuss' ship].....32 points (6 votes)
15. The Moldy Crow [Kyle Katarn's original ship].....31 points (5 votes)
16. Vehicle Maintenance Energizer [update of Kenner design].....26 points (5 votes)
17. AT-PT.....26 points (5 votes)
18. The Ebon Hawk.....26 points (3 votes)
19. TIE Oppressor.....25 points (5 votes)
20. Imperial Troop Transport [update of Kenner design].....25 points (4 votes)
21. Skipray Blastboat.....24 points (4 votes)
22. Yuuzhan Vong Coralskipper Starfighter.....23 points (5 votes)
23. TIE Hunter.....18 points (4 votes)
24. TIE Interdictor (aka Advanced TIE Bomber).....17 points (4 votes)
25. The White Witch.....15 points (4 votes)
26. Endor Forest Ranger [update of Kenner mini-rig].....14 points (4 votes)
27. Alpha-class XG-1 Star Wing (aka Assault Gunboat).....14 points (3 votes)
28. Slave II.....14 points (3 votes)
29. V-wing Airspeeder [totally different from V-wing Starfighter].....12 points (3 votes)
30. Ultra Battle Droid [5-meter-tall super battle droid variant].....11 points (2 votes)
31. Uggernaught.....11 points (2 votes)
32. The Raven's Claw [Kyle Katarn's second ship].....11 points (2 votes)
33. CIS Ground Armored Tank.....10 points (2 votes)
34. Bes'uliik [Mandalorian fighter].....9 points (4 votes)
35. TIE/ad Starfighter.....9 points (2 votes)
36. Naboo Bomber.....9 points (2 votes)
37. Desert Sail Skiff [update of Kenner mini-rig].....9 points (2 votes)
38. TIE/D Automated Starfighter (aka TIE Drone).....7 points (4 votes)
39. INT-4 (aka Imperial Interceptor) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....7 points (2 votes)
40. Trade Federation Gunboat.....7 points (1 vote)
41. Basilisk War Droid.....6 points (2 votes)
42. TIE Aggressor.....6 points (1 vote)
43. MLC-3 (aka Rebel Mobile Laser Cannon) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....6 points (1 vote)
44. Cruisemissile Trooper [total revamp].....5 points (1 vote)
45. CAP-2 (aka Bounty Hunter Captivator) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....4 points (2 votes)
46. ISP-6 (aka Imperial Shuttle Pod) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....4 points (1 vote)
47. MTV-7 (aka Imperial Multi-Terrain Vehicle) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....3 points (1 vote)
48. Naboo Police Cruiser.....3 points (1 vote)
49. AST-5 (aka Jabba's Armored Sentinel Transport) [update of Kenner mini-rig].....2 points (1 vote)

Slicker
11-22-2008, 05:10 PM
IF YOU HAD VOTED FOR IT, IT WOULD HAVE RANKED HIGHER!!! I was the ONLY one who voted for the poor Cruisemissile Trooper. :( Nobody loves the Cruisemissile Trooper. :pI figured that it's like a Presidential election. The person I want won't win so why bother voting? ;)

JediTricks
11-23-2008, 02:49 AM
I figured that it's like a Presidential election. The person I want won't win so why bother voting? ;)
Classy! "Slicker: serving overseas for our values so he won't have to use 'em." ;)


Thanks for your votes MSP, I moved the votes over to that poll thread. Now I'm kicking myself, you pushed my TX-130 down to #3. :( :p But thanks for kicking the Moldy Crow up higher. :cool:


So, I have a question for you all. We're going to be doing phase 2 very soon, and we have to decide - do we run each of the 5 rounds (yes, it's a top 25 poll now) for 1 week, thus ending the whole poll on December 31st? Or do we run each round for 2 weeks, offering more chance for participation, ending the whole poll on Feb 4th? That still leaves 2 weeks before Toy Fair, but it might not have the momentum a faster poll series may. I'm leaning towards 2 weeks per.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-23-2008, 10:13 AM
Is phase 2 going to be done in the same fashion as the figure poll? I'd probably say 2 weeks for each since it still gives time before Toy Fair. However, most of the votes so far usually occur in the first week, so one week might be enough.

JediTricks
11-26-2008, 02:27 AM
Yeah, phase 2 should be very similar to the phase 2 of the figure poll, except I'm thinking of displaying the top 6 or 7 from each class since vehicles has only 5 classes instead of the 7 of the figures.

2 weeks has the advantage of getting more coverage, but 1 week has the momentum, and like you say, most of the votes came in on week 1. I guess I'll decide that tomorrow morning before I head off to my sister's place.

Here's approx. how the votes came down week by week in each:
Round 1 - 41 week I; 2 week II. (Prequels)
Round 2 - 47 week I; 2 week II. (OT)
Round 3 - 27 week I; 3 week II. (CW)
Round 4 - 28 week I; 3 week II. (EU)
Round 5 - 27 week I; 12 week II. (Fantasy)

Ok, seeing it written down, it's clear there's no need for week 2. Looks like staggering the polls hurt turnout for week 2, but helped keep momentum alive. It's looking good for 1-week polls, my only concern is a feeling of repetitive voting for folks who don't get their choices picked right away which might fade after an extra week.


BTW, on the Fantasy poll, I voted, sent you a PM about that and posted it in the thread after reading your proviso.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-26-2008, 02:35 AM
I was still on the computer when I saw your response so I went ahead and retallied.

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....190 points (24 votes)
2. AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit].....123 points (15 votes)
3. Imperial Star Destroyer.....103 points (15 votes)
4. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....92 points (17 votes)
5. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....77 points (12 votes)
6. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....76 points (12 votes)
7. Imperial Landing Craft.....72 points (10 votes)
8. Rebel Transport.....59 points (9 votes)
9. MTT (Multi-Troop Transport).....56 points (9 votes)
10. The Executor (Super Star Destroyer).....52 points (10 votes)
11. AT-OT (All Terrain Open Transport).....52 points (9 votes)
12. Death Star.....51 points (12 votes)
13. The Rogue Shadow (The Force Unleashed).....41 points (8 votes)
14. Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck (Heir to the Empire).....35 points (5 votes)
15. Venator-class Star Destroyer (aka Republic Attack Cruiser).....31 points (8 votes)
16. Techno Union Hardcell-class Interstellar Transport.....31 points (6 votes)
17. The Malevolence (The Clone Wars).....31 points (5 votes)
18. Medical Frigate.....30 points (7 votes)
19. Trade Federation Battleship.....28 points (6 votes)
20. Acclamator-class Republic Assault Ship.....26 points (4 votes)
21. Eclipse Star Dreadnaught (Dark Empire).....26 points (3 votes)
22. SPHA-T.....25 points (5 votes)
23. Home One.....24 points (7 votes)
24. Trade Federation Landing Craft.....24 points (6 votes)
25. Naboo Yacht.....23 points (7 votes)
26. Banking Clan Frigate (Munificent-class).....23 points (3 votes)
27. Radiant VII (aka TPM Republic Cruiser).....19 points (4 votes)
28. Commerce Guild Destroyer (Recusant-class).....19 points (3 votes)
29. The Invisible Hand.....18 points (6 votes)
30. UT-AT (Unstable Terrain Artillery Transport).....18 points (4 votes)
31. Sith Infiltrator [significantly larger sized].....16 points (2 votes)
32. Naboo Star Skiff.....12 points (3 votes)
33. Naboo Royal Cruiser.....12 points (2 votes)
34. Imperial Escort Carrier (aka Storm Commando Carrier) (Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike).....10 points (1 vote)
35. Pulsar Skate.....8 points (1 vote)
36. Seismic Tank (Clone Wars).....3 points (1 vote)

JediTricks
11-26-2008, 02:41 AM
I appreciate the effort, I hope my forgetful ways didn't keep you awake extra long. However, the retally needs 1 more change, the MTT didn't get my vote added (it'd move it to 8th place with 62 points, up 1 slot, wowee).

Man, look how hard the Sail Barge hit at the top, that is a mandate right there.

I'm gonna take off for the night, I suggest you do the same. I really appreciate the big help with this, phase 2 is gonna rock thanks to your work!


This is for everybody: Any other suggestions about how phase 2 should go down, please post them before tomorrow around 1pm PST and I'll take them into consideration.

Tycho
11-26-2008, 02:48 AM
I was online when you posted as well. After I ate 3 gummy bears and had a glass of water, I freed myself up to comment on an excellent poll.

First, the most important vehicle for our entire collection WON!

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....180 points (23 votes)

Hasbro's getting the memo on this, loud and clear! We want a sailbarge!

3. Imperial Star Destroyer.....103 points (15 votes) - more people voted for this than the "silver medal winner" - the AT-AT. A well done star destroyer (7-9 feet long) would be an awesome fantasy to have. Think GI Joe's U.S.S. Flag and stop saying it's physically impossible. Whether it's financially possible and how it is sold and delievered to consumers is another matter though.

4. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....92 points (17 votes)

I made one. I could teach Hasbro a whole BOOK on how to make this ship. My prototype is perfect and exactly what I wanted and what many of you might like. Everything that happened in ANH is possible for the figures to recreate on board my ship. (But there's no hatch for Grievous' fighter as seen in ROTS - as I didn't know when I built the Tantive IV in 1999).


5. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....77 points (12 votes) - easy and necessary.

6. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....76 points (12 votes) - I'd buy!

7. Imperial Landing Craft.....72 points (10 votes) - I'd buy, but don't necessarily need.

8. Rebel Transport.....59 points (9 votes) - I'd buy though I have the vintage one.

9. MTT (Multi-Troop Transport).....56 points (9 votes) - I'd buy this one for sure - maybe even two.

10. The Executor (Super Star Destroyer).....52 points (10 votes) - I'd buy, but this is unnecessary and moreso a fantasy than just having Hasbro make a regular star destroyer.

12. Death Star.....51 points (12 votes) - This one should have won. Somehow a better Death Star needs to be made.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-26-2008, 08:45 AM
Okay, here are the corrected results. Since not everyone types the same description, and so I don't have to retype each one, I just put all of the choices in the same column. Then when I start typing the name, it will autofill. In my haste last night, your MTT vote became a medical frigate vote. I also found a couple other errors.

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....190 points (24 votes)
2. AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit].....123 points (15 votes)
3. Imperial Star Destroyer.....110 points (16 votes)
4. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....92 points (17 votes)
5. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....77 points (12 votes)
6. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....76 points (12 votes)
7. Imperial Landing Craft.....72 points (10 votes)
8. MTT (Multi-Troop Transport).....62 points (10 votes)
9. Rebel Transport.....59 points (9 votes)
10. AT-OT (All Terrain Open Transport).....52 points (9 votes)
11. Death Star.....51 points (12 votes)
12. The Executor (Super Star Destroyer).....48 points (10 votes)
13. The Rogue Shadow (The Force Unleashed).....41 points (8 votes)
14. Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck (Heir to the Empire).....35 points (5 votes)
15. Venator-class Star Destroyer (aka Republic Attack Cruiser).....31 points (8 votes)
16. Techno Union Hardcell-class Interstellar Transport.....31 points (6 votes)
17. The Malevolence (The Clone Wars).....31 points (5 votes)
18. Trade Federation Battleship.....28 points (6 votes)
19. Acclamator-class Republic Assault Ship.....26 points (4 votes)
20. Eclipse Star Dreadnaught (Dark Empire).....26 points (3 votes)
21. SPHA-T.....25 points (5 votes)
22. Home One.....24 points (7 votes)
23. Trade Federation Landing Craft.....24 points (6 votes)
24. Medical Frigate.....24 points (6 votes)
25. Naboo Yacht.....23 points (7 votes)
26. Banking Clan Frigate (Munificent-class).....23 points (3 votes)
27. Radiant VII (aka TPM Republic Cruiser).....19 points (4 votes)
28. Commerce Guild Destroyer (Recusant-class).....19 points (3 votes)
29. UT-AT (Unstable Terrain Artillery Transport).....18 points (4 votes)
30. Sith Infiltrator [significantly larger sized].....16 points (2 votes)
31. The Invisible Hand.....15 points (5 votes)
32. Naboo Star Skiff.....12 points (3 votes)
33. Naboo Royal Cruiser.....12 points (2 votes)
34. Imperial Escort Carrier (aka Storm Commando Carrier) (Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike).....10 points (1 vote)
35. Pulsar Skate.....8 points (1 vote)
36. Seismic Tank (Clone Wars).....3 points (1 vote)

bigbarada
11-26-2008, 09:36 AM
The AT-AT made number 2, nice!:pleased:

JediTricks
11-26-2008, 02:57 PM
3. Imperial Star Destroyer.....103 points (15 votes) - more people voted for this than the "silver medal winner" - the AT-AT. A well done star destroyer (7-9 feet long) would be an awesome fantasy to have. Think GI Joe's U.S.S. Flag and stop saying it's physically impossible. Whether it's financially possible and how it is sold and delievered to consumers is another matter though.At $110 in 1985, the Flagg didn't actually have that fine of detail and was not a great seller, and as such, you've never seen another toy offered at that scale for action figures... ever.


5. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....77 points (12 votes) - easy and necessary."Easy", just sculpt up another hundred-dollar-plus vehicle, take it way out of scale, and sell it to audiences who don't remember seeing it since it was in the film for all of 5 seconds. Of course! Why didn't Hasbro think of that??? :p


So, I'm about to start phase 2. I'm not looking forward to this. :crazed:

Ando
11-26-2008, 03:10 PM
Was the USS Flagg as big as everyone remembers? When I was a kid, a friend of mine had it, and if I remember correctly, it seemed like the deck plates were maybe as long + wide as 2 BMFs.

I haven't seen one in over 20 years, tho so I could very well be wrong. My brothers had the GI Joe Defiant. The box was GINORMOUS, but the actual toy (launcher, booster/station, and shuttle) weren't that large overall.

DarkJedi5
11-26-2008, 03:14 PM
I was never into GIJoe as a kid so I never saw/heard of the Flagg until it came up here. This photo (http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/wishbook/ussflagg.jpg) claims that the Flagg was 7.5 feet long. That does dwarf the BMF so it might be a workable scale for a Star Destroyer.

Ando
11-26-2008, 03:28 PM
I guess I was wrong. It's a lot bigger than I remember.

(That's what she said.)

JediTricks
11-26-2008, 03:31 PM
Yeah, it's that big:
http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/85/ussflagg/


1987's Defiant Space Launch Complex (http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/87/defiant/) was bigger, but not as long. It was significantly wider and much taller (even before you stood it up). So Hasbro did deliver 2 massive sets, but that was in the '80s when vehicles actually sold well and people had space for them. The Defiant was the only set I think that was detailed enough to warrant comparison, the Flagg is largely hollow and detail is fairly low.

JediTricks
11-26-2008, 03:45 PM
Bam! There it is:
http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39433

I took it down to 6 per source, it's tighter that way.

bigbarada
11-27-2008, 02:35 PM
I'm kind of confused as to how this phase works. I know that round 1 is every vehicle that ranked 1-5, but round 2 is vehicles that ranked 6-10?

So does that mean that a vehicle that placed second in phase 1 could potentially be dropped behind a vehicle that placed 10th?

For instance, if the AT-AT (which ranked #2 in phase 1) doesn't make it to the top 5 in phase 2, round 1 and, for some reason, the AT-OT places in the top 5 for phase 2, round 2. Wouldn't that totally misrepresent the results of phase 1? Because the AT-OT would move on to phase 3, while the AT-AT gets left behind completely, even though the AT-AT ranked 8 places higher than the AT-OT in phase 1.

Am I understanding correctly how this poll is working?

DarkJedi5
11-27-2008, 02:53 PM
That's my understanding. The original was a run off of all condidates and this is the refined list to get people to rank it by wave. This way if the AT-AT doesn't make the top 5 and you feel it belongs there, you can vote it first in every subsequent round until it gets enough votes to lock into a spot.

bigbarada
11-27-2008, 05:38 PM
That's my understanding. The original was a run off of all condidates and this is the refined list to get people to rank it by wave. This way if the AT-AT doesn't make the top 5 and you feel it belongs there, you can vote it first in every subsequent round until it gets enough votes to lock into a spot.

So, it's going to run like the most wanted figure poll in that whatever vehicles don't make it in this round get bumped up and are still available to be voted on for next round? If so, awesome!:thumbsup:

It seemed that the rules had changed from that and that's what I was worried about.

Mad Slanted Powers
11-27-2008, 06:23 PM
So, it's going to run like the most wanted figure poll in that whatever vehicles don't make it in this round get bumped up and are still available to be voted on for next round? If so, awesome!:thumbsup:

It seemed that the rules had changed from that and that's what I was worried about.
Yes, it is being done just like the figure poll I did. The only difference is that there are six to choose from in each category in each round, while the figure poll had only five. I guess this was done because there are fewer categories.

Tycho
11-28-2008, 09:05 AM
What size of final list are we making? A Top 20?

DarkJedi5
11-28-2008, 11:07 AM
I think it's Top 25.

Tycho
11-28-2008, 02:40 PM
I'd pick these 16 out of our lists right off the bat. I hope most of them win:

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....190 points (24 votes)
3. Imperial Star Destroyer.....110 points (16 votes)
4. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....92 points (17 votes)
5. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....77 points (12 votes)
6. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....76 points (12 votes)
7. Imperial Landing Craft.....72 points (10 votes)
8. MTT (Multi-Troop Transport).....62 points (10 votes)
9. Rebel Transport.....59 points (9 votes)
11. Death Star.....51 points (12 votes)
14. Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck (Heir to the Empire).....35 points (5 votes)
18. Trade Federation Battleship.....28 points (6 votes)
22. Home One.....24 points (7 votes)
24. Medical Frigate.....24 points (6 votes)
25. Naboo Yacht.....23 points (7 votes)
31. The Invisible Hand.....15 points (5 votes)
32. Naboo Star Skiff.....12 points (3 votes)

I think I deleted a couple others that I wanted because I wasn't sure I had less than 26 at the moment, but there were other smaller vehicles from the other lists like the IG-2000, Droid Gunship, Lars Family Landspeeder, and the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid which I wanted as well.

DarthBrandon
11-28-2008, 07:41 PM
I'd pick these 16 out of our lists right off the bat. I hope most of them win:

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....190 points (24 votes)
3. Imperial Star Destroyer.....110 points (16 votes)
4. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....92 points (17 votes)
5. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....77 points (12 votes)
6. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....76 points (12 votes)
7. Imperial Landing Craft.....72 points (10 votes)
8. MTT (Multi-Troop Transport).....62 points (10 votes)
9. Rebel Transport.....59 points (9 votes)
11. Death Star.....51 points (12 votes)
14. Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck (Heir to the Empire).....35 points (5 votes)
18. Trade Federation Battleship.....28 points (6 votes)
22. Home One.....24 points (7 votes)
24. Medical Frigate.....24 points (6 votes)
25. Naboo Yacht.....23 points (7 votes)
31. The Invisible Hand.....15 points (5 votes)
32. Naboo Star Skiff.....12 points (3 votes)

I think I deleted a couple others that I wanted because I wasn't sure I had less than 26 at the moment, but there were other smaller vehicles from the other lists like the IG-2000, Droid Gunship, Lars Family Landspeeder, and the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid which I wanted as well.

Most of these I would like to have, but if I had to pick just 7 of them; they would be in no particular order (yeah right):

1.) Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner)
2.) Jabba's Sail Barge
3.) Imperial Star Destroyer
4.) Imperial Landing Craft
5.) Rebel Transport
6.) Sandcrawler
7.) Clone Turbo Tank

JediTricks
11-29-2008, 03:59 PM
I'm kind of confused as to how this phase works. I know that round 1 is every vehicle that ranked 1-5, but round 2 is vehicles that ranked 6-10? Where would you get an idea like that? Oh, right, from the OPENING POST! :p
"... here in phase 2 we will take the top choices from all those sources and, through your voting, skim the most wanted vehicles in 5 rounds to create a final top 25 list - round 1 will give us #s 1-5, round 2 will give us #s 6-10, and so on."

So does that mean that a vehicle that placed second in phase 1 could potentially be dropped behind a vehicle that placed 10th?Yes, or not place at all.


For instance, if the AT-AT (which ranked #2 in phase 1) doesn't make it to the top 5 in phase 2, round 1 and, for some reason, the AT-OT places in the top 5 for phase 2, round 2. Wouldn't that totally misrepresent the results of phase 1? Because the AT-OT would move on to phase 3, while the AT-AT gets left behind completely, even though the AT-AT ranked 8 places higher than the AT-OT in phase 1.I don't believe it would misrepresent phase 1. Phase 1 says "how does this stuff rank within its own context", but phase 2 is "how does this work outside its limited context within the realm of all collectors". The Gungan Sub might place highly against other prequel vehicles, but against EU, Clone Wars, and especially OT, it may not place at all. Or people may see it outside of context as less appealing and place it lower than other prequel vehicles that they feel may have a better chance against OT vehicles at market.



So, it's going to run like the most wanted figure poll in that whatever vehicles don't make it in this round get bumped up and are still available to be voted on for next round? If so, awesome!:thumbsup:

It seemed that the rules had changed from that and that's what I was worried about.Hmm, could you LMK what was said in the vehicles poll to give you the idea that it was different from the figures poll?



Yes, it is being done just like the figure poll I did. The only difference is that there are six to choose from in each category in each round, while the figure poll had only five. I guess this was done because there are fewer categories.That is why, yes.


I am so confused by you guys, all this stuff was discussed here before. "Top 25" is used several times here and in the phase 2 poll's opening post.

---

So, my votes came down to the following 11 choices:
Corporate Alliance Tank Droid
Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind for both ESB and AOTC verisons]
Outrider (YT-2400)
AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design]
Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version)
Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle)
IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike
Chiss Clawcraft
TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank)
Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge
AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit]

The order of my final 5 was a toughy to figure out. Ultimately, I went with a mix of pragmatism (how likely is it to get made) and heart (what I want to see most) to make this list:
TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank)
Outrider (YT-2400)
Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version)
Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge
Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind for both ESB and AOTC verisons]

JediTricks
12-01-2008, 05:03 AM
I'm a little concerned. Turnout for phase 2 has been ok, but less than stellar. We can probably get a rough baseline from the sampling we have, but I fear the holiday has messed this poll up. What would you guys say to extending this poll to 2 weeks and doing them all that way afterwards? That would avoid the same troubles that we're bound to run into at the end of December.

DarkJedi5
12-01-2008, 08:56 AM
I guess that's okay as long as it finishes before ToyFair. I mean, that's the whole idea so if it ends with enough time, I'm okay with it.

Tycho
12-01-2008, 12:25 PM
What DarkJedi5 said.

JediTricks
12-01-2008, 04:26 PM
Yeah, if we go 2 weeks per round, it'll end in early February.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-02-2008, 09:28 PM
Okay, then I won't worry about voting or getting results tonight. I should have more time the rest of the week to get caught up on that.

JediTricks
12-03-2008, 03:09 AM
Alright, then it's settled. I'll announce it in the thread, give it a little boost.

JediTricks
12-10-2008, 05:51 AM
So, assuming we hear from MSP with the results beforehand, the next round of voting should be up this afternoon. I think we're going to end up not doing 2 weeks per round after all, that did not work at all, unless we have good reason.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-10-2008, 08:29 AM
Here are the results.

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....72 points (22 votes)
2. AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit].....44 points (12 votes)
3. Twin-pod Cloud Car.....38 points (11 votes)
4. AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design].....31 points (9 votes)
5. Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind for both ESB and AOTC verisons].....25 points (8 votes)
6. Imperial Star Destroyer.....23 points (7 votes)
7. Y-Wing Fighter [larger redesign, working droid slot].....23 points (7 votes)
8. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....20 points (8 votes)
9. Outrider (YT-2400).....20 points (8 votes)
10. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version).....20 points (8 votes)
11. TIE Defender.....19 points (6 votes)
12. Corporate Alliance Tank Droid.....19 points (5 votes)
13. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....18 points (7 votes)
14. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....17 points (7 votes)
15. TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank).....17 points (5 votes)
16. Theta-class Shuttle (Emperor Palpatine's ROTS shuttle).....14 points (4 votes)
17. Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle).....12 points (3 votes)
18. Droid Gunship.....8 points (3 votes)
19. LAAT/c (AT-TE carrier Gunship).....8 points (3 votes)
20. Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter.....8 points (2 votes)
21. E-wing Starfighter.....7 points (3 votes)
22. The Twilight.....7 points (2 votes)
23. Gungan Sub (Bongo).....6 points (3 votes)
24. Chiss Clawcraft.....5 points (2 votes)
25. Ewok Battlewagon.....5 points (2 votes)
26. CR20 Troop Carrier.....4 points (2 votes)
27. IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike.....3 points (1 vote)
28. Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier).....3 points (1 vote)
29. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....2 points (2 votes)

bigbarada
12-10-2008, 08:37 AM
Woo-hoo! Both the AT-AT and AT-ST placed in the top 5! :thumbsup: From the early voting, I was worried that they wouldn't rank that high.

DarkJedi5
12-10-2008, 09:11 AM
I'm with BigB! My 5 were the top 5, not in the order I voted but I'm stoked on these results!

Mad Slanted Powers
12-10-2008, 09:17 AM
Scratch the previous post, I miscounted a couple Y-Wing votes that should have been for the Clone Wars version, thus bumping the AT-ST out of the top 5.

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....63 points (22 votes)
2. AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit].....39 points (12 votes)
3. Twin-pod Cloud Car.....33 points (11 votes)
4. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version).....27 points (10 votes)
5. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....27 points (8 votes)
6. AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design].....26 points (9 votes)
7. Outrider (YT-2400).....25 points (8 votes)
8. Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind for both ESB and AOTC verisons].....23 points (8 votes)
9. Imperial Star Destroyer.....22 points (7 votes)
10. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....22 points (7 votes)
11. TIE Defender.....22 points (6 votes)
12. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....18 points (7 votes)
13. Y-Wing Fighter [larger redesign, working droid slot].....18 points (5 votes)
14. Corporate Alliance Tank Droid.....15 points (5 votes)
15. TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank).....15 points (5 votes)
16. Theta-class Shuttle (Emperor Palpatine's ROTS shuttle).....14 points (4 votes)
17. E-wing Starfighter.....12 points (3 votes)
18. LAAT/c (AT-TE carrier Gunship).....12 points (3 votes)
19. Gungan Sub (Bongo).....12 points (3 votes)
20. Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter.....9 points (2 votes)
21. CR20 Troop Carrier.....9 points (2 votes)
22. Chiss Clawcraft.....7 points (2 votes)
23. Droid Gunship.....6 points (3 votes)
24. Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle).....6 points (3 votes)
25. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....6 points (2 votes)
26. Ewok Battlewagon.....3 points (2 votes)
27. The Twilight.....3 points (2 votes)
28. Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier).....2 points (1 vote)
29. IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike.....2 points (1 vote)

obi-dad
12-10-2008, 09:19 AM
I'm very surprised that the top 5 were all OT, which make me quite happy. Would have been happier with the Sandcrawler than Slave 1, though.

obi-dad
12-10-2008, 09:26 AM
Here are the results.

4. AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design].....31 points (9 votes)
8. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....20 points (8 votes)


Scratch the previous post, I miscounted a couple Y-Wing votes that should have been for the Clone Wars version, thus bumping the AT-ST out of the top 5.

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....63 points (22 votes)
2. AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit].....39 points (12 votes)
3. Twin-pod Cloud Car.....33 points (11 votes)
4. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version).....27 points (10 votes)
5. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....27 points (8 votes)
6. AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design].....26 points (9 votes)

As much as I would like the Sandcrawler in the top 5, it just jumped from 20 pts with 8 votes in your first count to 27 pts with 8 votes in the second. Similarly, the AT-ST dropped from 31 pts with 9 votes to 26 points with 9 votes. If the miscount was only between Y-wing versions, those numbers shouldn't have changed. I know in my own counting I was off, but I'm fairly certain the Sandcrawler didn't beat the AT-ST.

DarkJedi5
12-10-2008, 11:46 AM
To quote Al Gore: "I demand a recount!"

bigbarada
12-10-2008, 11:50 AM
I don't understand how the AT-ST lost 5 points because of miscounted Y-Wing votes. Something doesn't add up.

obi-dad
12-10-2008, 12:46 PM
Ok... I just recounted for myself again and got different numbers than I had the first time and different that MSP. Not sure I trust my numbers either, (this is much harder than it looks) - but updating in a minute...

1 Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge - 71 points (21 votes)
2 AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit] - 44 pts (12 votes)
3 Twin-pod Cloud Car - 38 pts (11 votes)
4 AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design] - 31 pts (9 votes)
5 Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version) - 25 pts (10 votes)
6 Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind] - 25 pts (8 votes)
7 Imperial Star Destroyer - 24 pts (8 votes)
8 Outrider (YT-2400) - 20 pts (8 votes)
9 Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger] - 20 pts (8 votes)
10 TIE Defender 19 pts (6 votes)
11 Corporate Alliance Tank Droid - 19 pts (5 votes)
12 Y-Wing Fighter [larger redesign, working droid slot] - 18 pts (5 votes)
13 Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner) - 18 pts (7 votes)
14 Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut) - 17 pts (7 votes)
15 TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank) - 17 pts (5 votes)
16 Theta-class Shuttle (Emperor Palpatine's ROTS shuttle) - 14 pts (4 votes)
17 Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle) - 12 pts (3 votes)
18 Droid Gunship - 8 pts (3 votes)
19 LAAT/c (AT-TE carrier Gunship) - 8 pts (3 votes)
20 Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter - 8 pts (2 votes)
21 E-wing Starfighter - 7 pts (3 votes)
22 The Twilight 7 pts (2 votes)
23 Gungan Sub (Bongo) - 6 pts (3 votes)
24 Chiss Clawcraft - 5 pts (2 votes)
25 Ewok Battlewagon - 5 pts (2 votes)
26 CR20 Troop Carrier - 4 pts (2 votes)
27 Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier) - 3 pts (1 vote)
28 IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike - 3 pts (1 vote)
29 IG-2000 [IG-88's ship] 2 pts (2 votes)

DarkJedi5
12-10-2008, 01:03 PM
I ran my own count too and while the number of votes is the same (at least total) the numbers seem pretty different from my count. Correct me if I'm wrong (cause this could be the problem) but a 1st place vote is worth 5 points, 2nd=4, 3rd=3, 4th=2, and 5th=1 right?

obi-dad
12-10-2008, 01:12 PM
I ran my own count too and while the number of votes is the same (at least total) the numbers seem pretty different from my count. Correct me if I'm wrong (cause this could be the problem) but a 1st place vote is worth 5 points, 2nd=4, 3rd=3, 4th=2, and 5th=1 right?

right... but I'm here at work and trying to fit it in between things. I got through the first 3 pages without getting interupted, but somewhere after there, I got to a place where I wasn't 100% sure where I was. But I also totaled the number of 1st place votes, 2nd place, etc and those totals look good, there were 34 votes for 1 & 2 place (only one person - I think the first post - voted for only 2 vehicles), 33 3rd place votes (there were 2 people that voted for only 3 vehicles) and 31 4th & 5th place votes.

Edit: I just checked MSP's first count and my count and feel more comfortable. We match exactly on points & # of votes for the AT-AT, Twin-pod car, AT-ST, Slave 1, Outrider & Sandcrawler and the rest of order of 11-29. I do feel VERY confident on the order of the top 5 vehicles that placed in my count, even if I'm off by a little on the exact number of points.

DarkJedi5
12-10-2008, 02:07 PM
Ok... I just recounted for myself again and got different numbers than I had the first time and different that MSP. Not sure I trust my numbers either, (this is much harder than it looks) - but updating in a minute...

1 Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge - 71 points (21 votes)
2 AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit] - 44 pts (12 votes)
3 Twin-pod Cloud Car - 38 pts (11 votes)
4 AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design] - 31 pts (9 votes)
5 Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version) - 25 pts (10 votes)
6 Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind] - 25 pts (8 votes)
7 Imperial Star Destroyer - 24 pts (8 votes)
8 Outrider (YT-2400) - 20 pts (8 votes)
9 Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger] - 20 pts (8 votes)
10 TIE Defender 19 pts (6 votes)
11 Corporate Alliance Tank Droid - 19 pts (5 votes)
12 Y-Wing Fighter [larger redesign, working droid slot] - 18 pts (5 votes)
13 Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner) - 18 pts (7 votes)
14 Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut) - 17 pts (7 votes)
15 TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank) - 17 pts (5 votes)
16 Theta-class Shuttle (Emperor Palpatine's ROTS shuttle) - 14 pts (4 votes)
17 Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle) - 12 pts (3 votes)
18 Droid Gunship - 8 pts (3 votes)
19 LAAT/c (AT-TE carrier Gunship) - 8 pts (3 votes)
20 Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter - 8 pts (2 votes)
21 E-wing Starfighter - 7 pts (3 votes)
22 The Twilight 7 pts (2 votes)
23 Gungan Sub (Bongo) - 6 pts (3 votes)
24 Chiss Clawcraft - 5 pts (2 votes)
25 Ewok Battlewagon - 5 pts (2 votes)
26 CR20 Troop Carrier - 4 pts (2 votes)
27 Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier) - 3 pts (1 vote)
28 IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike - 3 pts (1 vote)
29 IG-2000 [IG-88's ship] 2 pts (2 votes)


This is pretty much how mine shakes out too give or take a point where it doesn't matter. Who's ready for round 2?!

JediTricks
12-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Ok, so the count is definitely off, I know this because the Ewok Battlewagon has 3 votes in the thread tallying 9 points, which is not remotely represented in the poll. At this point, I am going to run a prelim search for the top 11 (the points spread being close from 5 to 11) and see whose numbers match up. I do appreciate the help, but want to be very careful.

DarkJedi5
12-10-2008, 02:48 PM
Well if it helps any here's the top 11 by my count:
1. Sailbarge-70pts-21votes
2. AT-AT-44pts-12votes
3. Cloudcar-39pts-11votes
4. AT-ST-31pts-9votes
5. Clone Wars Y-Wing-25pts-10votes
6. Slave I-25pts-8votes
7. Star Destroyer-24pts-8votes
8. Outrider-20pts-8votes
9. Sandcrawler-20pts-8votes
10. TIE Defender-19pts-6votes
11. Corporate Alliance Tank Droid-19pts-5votes

JediTricks
12-10-2008, 03:04 PM
Ok, so for the Sail Barge, I'm seeing 21 votes and 70 points.

That does help DJ5, thanks.

Getting the same for the AT-AT, 12 votes, 44 pts.

The Cloud Car is 11 votes, 38 points. Hey, 1138!

AT-ST is 9 votes, 31 points. The AT-AT and this had search problems on DJ5's post, I don't know what's up with that, but they don't index properly, so I have to read the thread for those votes.

Clone Wars Y-wing is 10 votes, 25 points.

ANH redesign Y-wing is 5 votes, 18 points. That shows on MSP's 2nd list.

Slave I is indeed 8 votes, 25 points, creating a tie for 5th place. Since MSP biases towards more votes over points, that's how we'll break that tie. Yes, the Slave I is being beaten by a Clone Wars toy. Sorry folks, that's how the ball bounces.

Star Destroyer - 8 votes, 24 pts.

Outrider - 8 votes, 20 pts.

Sandy - 8, 20.

Yeah, I'm going to stop. I think we've got our top 5, you and MSP have done diligence for the top 5, the rest is lining up. I really appreciate the help. Hopefully MSP will be able to take care of the rest of this when he checks back in, but we have our #1 - 5.


And the first 5 on our list are...
1. Jabba's Sail Barge - 70 points (21 votes)
2. AT-AT - 44 points (12 votes)
3. Twin-Pod Cloud Car - 38 points (11 votes)
4. AT-ST (ROTJ redesign) - 31 points (9 votes)
5. Clone Wars Y-wing - 25 points (10 votes)

JediTricks
12-10-2008, 03:52 PM
Round 2 is up! http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39525

Mad Slanted Powers
12-10-2008, 06:46 PM
My apologies for totally messing this up. I calculated everything after I voted the other day. There were no votes since then, but I didn't double check everything. Then I put the results up this morning, and I noticed the the Clone Wars Y-Wing wasn't up there when someone had mentioned that it was. So, I sorted my list by vote and found a couple that had been counted as OT Y-Wings. Then I reposted the results.

Where I think I goofed was in sorting the lists by vote. I think I forgot to include the column that had the points in it. So, the numbers associated with the votes were totally lost. I'll go through and get proper results. My first post was probably correct with the exception of the Y-Wing votes, but I'll see what I get.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-10-2008, 07:18 PM
Here's what I have now. Looks like everything matches my first post except for the corrections to the Y-Wings. My one point difference on the Sail Barge and Star Destroyer with obi-dad's results was my interpretation of Darth Marco's vote. It looks like he voted for the ISD as 5th, but reading what he wrote it appears he chose the Sail Barge.

1. Jabba the Hutt's Sail Barge.....72 points (22 votes)
2. AT-AT [scaled to larger, more accurate cockpit].....44 points (12 votes)
3. Twin-pod Cloud Car.....38 points (11 votes)
4. AT-ST [ROTJ, larger redesign, differs from ESB design].....31 points (9 votes)
5. Y-wing Starfighter (Clone Wars version).....25 points (10 votes)
6. Slave I [larger redesign with repaint in mind for both ESB and AOTC verisons].....25 points (8 votes)
7. Imperial Star Destroyer.....23 points (7 votes)
8. Sandcrawler [total redesign, larger].....20 points (8 votes)
9. Outrider (YT-2400).....20 points (8 votes)
10. TIE Defender.....19 points (6 votes)
11. Corporate Alliance Tank Droid.....19 points (5 votes)
12. Tantive IV (aka Rebel Blockade Runner).....18 points (7 votes)
13. Y-Wing Fighter [larger redesign, working droid slot].....18 points (5 votes)
14. Clone Turbo Tank (aka Juggernaut).....17 points (7 votes)
15. TX-130 Saber-class Tank (aka IFT-X, Republic Fighter Tank).....17 points (5 votes)
16. Theta-class Shuttle (Emperor Palpatine's ROTS shuttle).....14 points (4 votes)
17. Republic Attack Shuttle (aka Nu-class Attack Shuttle).....12 points (3 votes)
18. Droid Gunship.....8 points (3 votes)
19. LAAT/c (AT-TE carrier Gunship).....8 points (3 votes)
20. Asajj Ventress’ Fanblade Starfighter.....8 points (2 votes)
21. E-wing Starfighter.....7 points (3 votes)
22. The Twilight.....7 points (2 votes)
23. Gungan Sub (Bongo).....6 points (3 votes)
24. Chiss Clawcraft.....5 points (2 votes)
25. Ewok Battlewagon.....5 points (2 votes)
26. CR20 Troop Carrier.....4 points (2 votes)
27. Lars Family Landspeeder (V-35 Courier).....3 points (1 vote)
28. IG Lancer-Droid's Speeder Bike.....3 points (1 vote)
29. IG-2000 [IG-88's ship].....2 points (2 votes)

bigbarada
12-10-2008, 08:47 PM
It's interesting that not only did Jabba's Sail Barge rank at number one, but the number of votes and points that it received is nearly double the #2 ranked AT-AT. Can we call that a landslide victory?

obi-dad
12-11-2008, 07:17 AM
I'd call that a landslide.

I'm really curious to see how #6-10 in this poll rank in round 2. I know it's VERY early in the voting, but the Y-Wing (#13) has taken an early commanding lead (but after 3 more people vote it might not even be in the top 5). I'd like to see the Speeder Bike come in high, as not only does it badly need updating, it would be a cheaper vehicle than some of these larger vehicles.

Tycho
12-11-2008, 08:28 AM
It's interesting that not only did Jabba's Sail Barge rank at number one, but the number of votes and points that it received is nearly double the #2 ranked AT-AT. Can we call that a landslide victory?

Yes. I just hope we can call Jabba's sailbarge: designed, mass-produced, shipped, charged to my creditcard, and delivered! Then I'll be a very happy Star Wars collector.

And it's very possible: can you say "Zizzle Pirates of the Caribbean's Black Pearl?"

DarkArtist
12-11-2008, 10:46 AM
Yes. I just hope we can call Jabba's sailbarge: designed, mass-produced, shipped, charged to my creditcard, and delivered! Then I'll be a very happy Star Wars collector.

And it's very possible: can you say "Zizzle Pirates of the Caribbean's Black Pearl?"

i hope so too, but i can already see Hasbro saying this would be a vehicle if done right would be more than the Falcon as well as saying that it's not a cool enough action vehicle to warrant ever being produced. i think we have a bigger hope of Hasbro making a true to scale AT-AT or better yet bringing back the Action Fleet line and incorporating perhaps a new scaled Jabba's Sailbarge in that line.

i do have to say the Zizzle Black Pearl was awesome and $50 for a decent price for the ship. i just wish Zizzle had continued with the line and gave us more POTC stuff.

JediTricks
12-11-2008, 02:42 PM
Here's what I have now. Looks like everything matches my first post except for the corrections to the Y-Wings. My one point difference on the Sail Barge and Star Destroyer with obi-dad's results was my interpretation of Darth Marco's vote. It looks like he voted for the ISD as 5th, but reading what he wrote it appears he chose the Sail Barge.Yeah, good catch. I didn't get that at all, I kept running into it and assuming he meant the ISD since he left it linked, and thought he was talking about how he wanted to also vote the Sail Barge but couldn't.



It's interesting that not only did Jabba's Sail Barge rank at number one, but the number of votes and points that it received is nearly double the #2 ranked AT-AT. Can we call that a landslide victory?We can, Hasbro won't. :p

I found it interesting that all the winners came in fairly respective of their own placings in their polls, except the ROTJ AT-ST which leapfrogged its place a bit in the OT poll.

Tycho
12-11-2008, 07:15 PM
Make the sailbarge an "aggressive vehicle."

Those hatches that opened where Luke landed from a skiff and pulled a Weequay out of - tossing him into the sarlaac: have removeable missile launchers that you can place (3 or 4 of them) at every hatch. Just like the Zizzle Black Pearl, a pirate ship has cannons. Jabba's gangsters are practicing pirates (some of them) - though they practice in space. Still, you can market the Sailbarge that way. I mean the BMF is hard to pick up and fly around - what are you going to be able to hit with its flying missiles? (I'd take Jango's Slave-1 in a plastic spaceship toy fight any day if I wanted fire-power combined with accuracy).

Meanwhile, the deck cannon was made for Deluxe POTJ Slave Leia.

Clip-0n-the-railings cannons could go on the top deck, like the Nikto used in the movie.

The thing is the sight of a major hero-battle-sequence, and THE place to display the most unique sculpts for Star Wars figures. If large enough, you can have the Max Rebo Band, in addition to the REQUIRED space for Jabba.

Other features could be a cockpit (EU) and escape hatch(es) for play. Wheels on the bottom so it would float-roll (if collectors can't see the wheels). I was going to disign my custom to "crack" in half and pivot its "destroyed halves" on a pin, so I could simulate it "exploding" as a TOY feature (unnecessary though).

Stairs (molded) should be in the interior though, so figures can realistically move around the sailbarge. We all hate how figures cannot walk to the cockpit of the BMF.

Anyway, KID PLAY PATTERNS with a sailbarge might have CIS or Republic ground forces attack it (AT-APs or AAT Tanks, Hailfire Droids, Homing Spider Droids, the AT-TE) or have it launch the deck cannon missiles at Droid Fighters or V-19s. Whatever a kid imagines (or the brain-dead folks behind Clone Wars' TV series finally invent. J/K - they're OK some of the time).

I WANT JABBA'S SAILBARGE!!!

DarkJedi5
12-11-2008, 10:09 PM
Anyway, KID PLAY PATTERNS with a sailbarge might have CIS or Republic ground forces attack it (AT-APs or AAT Tanks, Hailfire Droids, Homing Spider Droids, the AT-TE) or have it launch the deck cannon missiles at Droid Fighters or V-19s. Whatever a kid imagines (or the brain-dead folks behind Clone Wars' TV series finally invent. J/K - they're OK some of the time).

That's it! Tycho's on to something. The craft already made an appearance in the movie, but we need to find some way to get collectors to beg those Clone Wars guys to get the Sailbarge some quality face time in a few episodes. Because the AT-TE was very prominent in the movie Hasbro made it. If the Sailbarge shows up in a few more episodes and fans keep hounding Hasbro there's no reason they shouldn't make it.

JediTricks
12-12-2008, 12:05 AM
Make the sailbarge an "aggressive vehicle."

Those hatches that opened where Luke landed from a skiff and pulled a Weequay out of - tossing him into the sarlaac: have removeable missile launchers that you can place (3 or 4 of them) at every hatch. Just like the Zizzle Black Pearl, a pirate ship has cannons. Jabba's gangsters are practicing pirates (some of them) - though they practice in space. Still, you can market the Sailbarge that way. I mean the BMF is hard to pick up and fly around - what are you going to be able to hit with its flying missiles? (I'd take Jango's Slave-1 in a plastic spaceship toy fight any day if I wanted fire-power combined with accuracy).

Meanwhile, the deck cannon was made for Deluxe POTJ Slave Leia.

Clip-0n-the-railings cannons could go on the top deck, like the Nikto used in the movie.

The thing is the sight of a major hero-battle-sequence, and THE place to display the most unique sculpts for Star Wars figures. If large enough, you can have the Max Rebo Band, in addition to the REQUIRED space for Jabba.

Other features could be a cockpit (EU) and escape hatch(es) for play. Wheels on the bottom so it would float-roll (if collectors can't see the wheels). I was going to disign my custom to "crack" in half and pivot its "destroyed halves" on a pin, so I could simulate it "exploding" as a TOY feature (unnecessary though).

Stairs (molded) should be in the interior though, so figures can realistically move around the sailbarge. We all hate how figures cannot walk to the cockpit of the BMF.

Anyway, KID PLAY PATTERNS with a sailbarge might have CIS or Republic ground forces attack it (AT-APs or AAT Tanks, Hailfire Droids, Homing Spider Droids, the AT-TE) or have it launch the deck cannon missiles at Droid Fighters or V-19s. Whatever a kid imagines (or the brain-dead folks behind Clone Wars' TV series finally invent. J/K - they're OK some of the time).

I WANT JABBA'S SAILBARGE!!!I made this argument right to Derryl's face at Comic-Con this year, he got what was being said in no uncertain terms, and as the manager during the most successful times for the brand, he didn't feel it was anywhere near enough to get those kid sales, and without them it wasn't going to happen. Kids have to be convinced, upper management has to be convinced, and Lucasfilm has to be convinced, all these factors have to be convinced. If Derryl thought this thing would sell, of course he'd deliver it to us. You have to convince like 30,000 people to spend upwards of $100 on this thing, and honestly, I can't say I disagree with him, it's not the iconic ship the Falcon is, it's not as recognizable or action-packed, it's not in as many movies, it doesn't DO much of anything, so it's a hard sell in a market that's already a very hard sell for playsets (because, let's be honest, this IS a playset vehicle).

Hell, you'd probably be better off modifying the Black Pearl than expecting this thing. Turn the Pearl over and start putting on features and shapes.

Mad Slanted Powers
12-12-2008, 12:13 AM
The one thing that makes it great for collectors such as us is that it provides a great set to put a lot of our Jabba's palace and sail barge/skiff battle figures. A younger kid isn't going to have a lot of those figures. If something like this is released, they would probably need to have a couple waves of ROTJ figures or a battle pack or two that has the main characters and a few skiff guards and aliens. And of course, a new Jabba sculpt would be nice too.

JediTricks
12-12-2008, 05:07 AM
Maybe we can convince them by ROTJ's 30th anniversary in 2013.

Tycho
12-12-2008, 05:55 AM
IF they are going to do a big vehicle (fantasy scale) at all - what are their alternatives?

- Blockade Runner - OK - it's a good pick - the first ship seen in any SW. It can be remade and re-sold with ROTS colors on it, too.

- Star Destroyer - would be awesome - but much larger size is required, and it showcases conformity in Imperial figures, though bounty hunters can be used, as well as captured Rebels.

- TurboTank - the most likely as it would be a fun child's toy that rolls - and not quite as big (AT-TE sized probably).

- Republic cruiser types (destroyers or pre-Clone Wars ships) - not so exciting except for the clone troop carriers that Jedi commanded.

-Sandcrawler - cool, but not aggressive. I would buy it though.

- AT-AT - granted this would be popular. I would NOT buy it though, as my Hoth diorama is the size I want it to be and I don't have room for a larger walker. Plus the walker is a nostalgic reminder of 1981 which was a great year for SW toys for exactly this reason.

- Invisible Hand (or other Separatist capital ships) - harder shape / structure to realize in a toy. Possible and super cool if done right, but still....

The Sailbarge is almost the natural pick out of any larger vehicle should Hasbro decide to go there again!

obi-dad
12-12-2008, 12:54 PM
IF they are going to do a big vehicle (fantasy scale) at all - what are their alternatives?

- Blockade Runner - OK - it's a good pick - the first ship seen in any SW. It can be remade and re-sold with ROTS colors on it, too.

- Star Destroyer - would be awesome - but much larger size is required, and it showcases conformity in Imperial figures, though bounty hunters can be used, as well as captured Rebels.

- TurboTank - the most likely as it would be a fun child's toy that rolls - and not quite as big (AT-TE sized probably).

- Republic cruiser types (destroyers or pre-Clone Wars ships) - not so exciting except for the clone troop carriers that Jedi commanded.

-Sandcrawler - cool, but not aggressive. I would buy it though.

- AT-AT - granted this would be popular. I would NOT buy it though, as my Hoth diorama is the size I want it to be and I don't have room for a larger walker. Plus the walker is a nostalgic reminder of 1981 which was a great year for SW toys for exactly this reason.

- Invisible Hand (or other Separatist capital ships) - harder shape / structure to realize in a toy. Possible and super cool if done right, but still....

The Sailbarge is almost the natural pick out of any larger vehicle should Hasbro decide to go there again!

Based on what I think would be an appropriate size and then probably cost for these vehicles, I would only buy the Sandcrawler, Sailbarge, and AT-AT. Buying the AT-AT's would really hurt though, because I would need at least 3 and want 4... and due to their size and costs, that would be TOUGH. I agree your assesment that the Sandcrawler is cool, but non-agressive (and probably something Hasbro won't ever do, or if they do, it will be years down the road. And, I agree with JT that if Hasbro thought they could make money off this they would make it. One thing we have to keep in mind, even if 100% of us say we will buy it, last vehicle poll, only 34 people responded with 22 people voting for the Sail Barge. That's not a very large sample size at all... in fact, it is a VERY small sample size of collectors, not kids. But, I would love for Hasbro to give us the chance to prove to them it would sell, I just wouldn't want more that 1 fantasy scale vehicle per year (and better to do 1 every 2 years I would think).

Tycho
12-12-2008, 01:48 PM
JT's even posted the point that Hasbro doesn't make money off vehicle sales, but they boost the figure sales.

By simply re-issuing Jabba sequence figures, Hasbro can profit off the sailbarge:

1) Luke Jedi
2) Leia Slave
3) Han Carbonite
4) Chewie wounded
5) Lando Skiff
6) C-3PO / Salacious Crumb
7) R2D2 - new lightsaber launch
8) Jabba Beast
9) Bib Fortuna
10) Gamorrean Guard (new / old? - multiples either way)
11) Boba Fett
12) Ree-Yees
13) Tessek
14) Weequay
15) Dengar
16) Bossk
17) Klaatu (skiff)
18) Barada
19) Nikto
20) (new) Nikto
21) Wooof (2010 confirmed)
22) Amanaman
23) Max Rebo
24) Sy Snootles
25) Droopy McCool
26) Umpass-Stay
27) Ak-Rev
28) Dodo Bonadonaweedo
29) Jo Yowza
30) Barquin 'Dan
31) the frog dude with the harmonica
32) J'Quille
33) Tanus Spijek
34) Yak Face
35) Rystall
36) Lin Mae
37) Greeta
38) Herme Odle
39) Pote Snitkin (he was on a skiff actually -but so were Han, Chewie, Lando)
40) Ephant Mon (according to EU, was too smart to go out there and risk Rebel attack)
41) Malakali
42) Jawa (x 2)

I mean I probably forgot some characters and not all these (especially the band members) are necessary to fit on a TOY sailbarge - but name 40 or more unique characters that go on a Star Destroyer or the Blockade Runner. My custom Tantive IV can carry upwards of 40 figures, but most are repetative stormtroopers and Rebel Fleet Troopers and the other ship will host mostly repetative Imperial personnel. In any case, the designs of the Jabba characters are much more impressive because they are so diverse!

The sailbarge could make the ultimate Star Wars display and probably out-do the Mos Eisley Cantina in terms of action and diverse characters (size-wise, amongst everything else). Plus you can have 2 skiffs and the Sarlaac, and even display Boba Fett flying somehow.

JediTricks
12-12-2008, 03:56 PM
IF they are going to do a big vehicle (fantasy scale) at all - what are their alternatives?

- Blockade Runner - OK - it's a good pick - the first ship seen in any SW. It can be remade and re-sold with ROTS colors on it, too.I keep forgetting that you're a crazy person. This is a about as likely as them making an entire playset of Mos Eisley.


- Star Destroyer - would be awesome - but much larger size is required, and it showcases conformity in Imperial figures, though bounty hunters can be used, as well as captured Rebels.Unlikely, scale problems, doesn't do all that much in the trilogy.


- TurboTank - the most likely as it would be a fun child's toy that rolls - and not quite as big (AT-TE sized probably).I'm biased here, but I think the odds are poor. The AT-TE isn't selling all that well and it's in 2 movies and the Clone Wars. The Turbo Tank isn't very Star Wars, doesn't have all that much going for it, and is barely recognizable in the film, no kid factor.


- Republic cruiser types (destroyers or pre-Clone Wars ships) - not so exciting except for the clone troop carriers that Jedi commanded.Yeah, pretty much.

-Sandcrawler - cool, but not aggressive. I would buy it though.I doubt many folks would, and that's its problem. Value is in what, exactly?


- AT-AT - granted this would be popular. I would NOT buy it though, as my Hoth diorama is the size I want it to be and I don't have room for a larger walker. Plus the walker is a nostalgic reminder of 1981 which was a great year for SW toys for exactly this reason.Yeah, you said you probably wouldn't buy the Falcon either. The AT-AT is Hasbro's next choice, and for good reason, it's one of the few non-starring vehicles to be VERY recognizable to the general public as "Star Wars", is different enough, has major kid factor, and is aggressive. My guess is its chances are better than 60%.


- Invisible Hand (or other Separatist capital ships) - harder shape / structure to realize in a toy. Possible and super cool if done right, but still....Chances? Zero.


The Sailbarge is almost the natural pick out of any larger vehicle should Hasbro decide to go there again!You'd think, and yet not really. There's Slave I, there's the Twilight which has current media support and yet Hasbro's not pursuing, and the MTT has maybe slightly better chances because it's in current media. But the reality is that this isn't the GI Joe line circa 1984, there isn't an annual giant vehicle or playset to hook Christmas on, the market has changed for large toys and now they have to be very particular. I think if they did a new AT-AT, that'd probably be the last of the large vehicles.



JT's even posted the point that Hasbro doesn't make money off vehicle sales, but they boost the figure sales. That used to be true, but Hasbro's current business model doesn't allow for it anymore because of substantial losses they were taking by going bigger and bigger. Now tooling costs have to be justified right out the door, and it's too bad because it holds "wow" factor back. Hasbro should at least slim the profit margin for something that sells a lot of figures, like an AT-TE - if that thing was $50, it'd be in every kid's christmas pile this year, and that'd sell more $20 vehicles and figures, but that's speculative, if it failed then they'd end up seeing losses they couldn't recoup, which would negatively impact the line, budgets for next season would go down, there'd be less new figures, the market would fade out and the line would end. It's all about risk management. If this was 1983, the Sail Barge wouldn't be a risk at all, but in 2009 it's not well-remembered by the general public and that means casual collectors aren't on board automatically.

pegger
12-12-2008, 08:27 PM
I have a hard time seeing them do a larger AT-AT. I mean, for them to do it right, it would be much bigger than the BMF Falcon.

I could see a "BMF" AT-ST - and would be down with that.

obi-dad
12-12-2008, 10:11 PM
Out of all the vehicles in the poll, I think a "BMF" AT-ST is probably the one I'd be most excited about. I wouldn't be outrageous to buy multiples of and it wouldn't be too large to store. Properly scaled Y-Wings (OT) and accurate speederbikes are up there on that list too.

I mean, I would love Jabba's Sail Barge and a "BMF" AT-AT's, but there would definitely be size and $$$ issues with those and it just seems more likely for the others listed to be made first.

JediTricks
12-12-2008, 10:53 PM
I have a hard time seeing them do a larger AT-AT. I mean, for them to do it right, it would be much bigger than the BMF Falcon.

I could see a "BMF" AT-ST - and would be down with that.
AT-AT is only 22.5 meters tall, it's much smaller than the Juggernaut. The Falcon is 34 meters long and 25 wide, and we got that.

The AT-ST just wouldn't excite the casual collectors that much, I can't imagine people spending $50 or more on it. In full scale, it'd only be about 5 figures tall.

bigbarada
12-12-2008, 11:55 PM
I like the Sail Barge and I would buy it if it was made; but I think the chances of that happening are extremely slim.

The AT-AT is one of the most recognizable vehicles in the saga. In fact, I would rank it as #4, behind the X-Wing, TIE Fighter and Millenium Falcon, on the recognizability scale among casual filmgoers and non-fans. In fact, it might be higher than that because the Falcon and X-Wing have "inspired" so many different designs that many people confuse the imitators with the originals (I actually knew a guy in the Army who believed that the design of the Millenium Falcon was "ripped off" from Battlestar Galactica).

The ROTJ AT-ST would be at #5 on that list, because they were so heavily featured in the Endor battle and are still such a unique design. However, if it was made into a toy, then anything above a $40 price tag would be retail suicide.

The AT-AT is a natural choice for the BMF treatment and it wouldn't have to be that much larger than the current toy. All I would want would be more movie-accurate proportions and no massively oversized head.

obi-dad
12-15-2008, 10:34 PM
I guess I pretty much agree with bigbarada's assessment of the AT-AT, AT-ST & Sailbarge. What I'm curious about is 25% of the current voters have voted for the Tantive IV. Are there really that many people that would spend $150-$300 for a 3-5 foot long Tantive IV (to make it interact with figures, even if not to scale)?

I guess we're a mixed bunch. I'd probably spend the money and yield the space for a better scaled Sandcrawler and that's not a very exciting vehicle, but pretty iconic. Same for the AT-AT & AT-ST's. I'd pay for the interior halls of the Tantive IV, but I can't see buying that big of vehicle.

DarkJedi5
12-15-2008, 11:31 PM
That's pretty much why I will never vote for one of the capital fantasy ships. I wouldn't buy them and I think voting for them at all skews the results of the poll cause Hasbro will never ever make them. That said, everyone should vote for a new Slave I!

Tycho
12-16-2008, 12:37 AM
There's no right or wrong - it's individual preference. But I have to vote for the big capital ships as I want them in my collection (star destroyer, blockade runner, and sailbarge) and I'll have to build them myself if Hasbro doesn't create what I have in mind (I obviously already built the Tantive IV). These ships already have space dedicated for them in how I display my collection.

But as a fan of toys (or unnecessary items I can buy if only as a luxury for myself) I want to support whatever Hasbro comes up with - if the product is suitable.

I want to make action dioramas out of the fighting scenes aboard these ships but "hallways and set props" by themselves just won't do. I like to close off ceiling pannels to achieve the exterior look of the entire ship - just like the BMF and inspired by the OMF.

Now ships like the Invisible Hand or the Rebel Medical Frigate might be too difficult to accurately shape from custom plastic parts. But you never know: at a later time I might be up for that challenge, too. However, I've already designed the star destroyer as to how I'd build it; the sailbarge, too.

obi-dad
12-16-2008, 12:51 PM
btw... I wasn't saying it was wrong to vote for it and I knew Tycho would since especially the Tantive IV is a real passion for him. But I was surprised at the percentage that would. I mean, if I won the lottery or got a drastically different job (ie significantly better pay) where I could afford a large house and all SW items I wanted, then I would vote for it and buy it if it ever was made. I'm just surprised that so many people out of those voting so far would committ that much money and space to the Tantive IV and the Star Destroyer (even though point-wise it isn't as high, 1/5 of the voters voted for it so far). More power to the ones that can afford the $$ and space.