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Droid
08-05-2008, 10:57 AM
Some of what JediTricks posted in another thread about possibly quitting collecting Star Wars really hit a chord because of what I've been feeling lately as far as my collection goes.

In short, my collection stresses me out and I'm not sure what to do about it! First, I'll back up to give some perspective.

In the mid '90's, I wasn't very happy with my life. I was pretty lonely. I filled up a lot of that with Star Wars and Star Wars collecting.

I started out doing what Tycho plans to do: I thought I would set up all the scenes I wanted to set up at once. So I made a list of the scenes I thought I would set up. I then bought 11 Darth Vaders or whatever it was. Multiple Chewbaccas, R2s, 3P0s. All the '95 version.

I was nearly a completist when it came to basic figures. I passed on some Deluxe sets I didn't want: Smuggler Backpack, Electronic figures, etc.

I was an opener, but was keeping the packaging.

If they released a figure that didn't fit into one of my currently planned scenes, I'd buy it and build a scene around that figure. So, for example, they released the Death Star Gunner and I started planning a Death Star scene that hadn't originally been planned.

I was under a lot of stress at this time and would relax by hunting. It was easily an obsession. I don't blame Star Wars though; if there was no such thing as Star Wars I am sure I would have found another outlet for my unhappiness. And luckily Star Wars is legal and safe!

I would buy 10 Snowtroopers, 10 Rebel Fleet Troopers, 10 Weequay, 10 Gamorreans. 10 Biker Scouts (on their bikes). Anything close to an army builder I would buy at least 10. For a while I bought every Stormtrooper I saw. I have probably 50 of the '95 Stormtrooper.

Then they started making updates. This Leia's better than the first one (which wasn't hard). This R2 has a periscope. So I'd buy more of that figure, and in some case multiples.

I bought multiples of some figures for no reason. I was so excited they made Tarkin, for example, I bought three or four and kept one carded.

When Episode I came out I was planning for the other two prequels. So I bought extra Panakas, etc. in case the figures were needed for Episode II and III scenes and they didn't re-release Panaka.

I never envisioned the line would last so long or they would make so many figures, though I hoped they would. If I had known how long this would go I would have been very picky about what I bought.

Finally, the space became an issue. I threw away the packaging.

Episode II was a turning point. I disliked the action features so much and was so tired of the redundancy of some of the choices of figures they released that I stopped being a carded figure completist. I got to the point where I couldn't buy one more Darth Vader just because I had all the other carded figures to that point.

I had been storing stuff at my parent's house. Then I got a house of my own and took everything to my new place. The size of my collection horrified me. I couldn't believe how much money I had spent. For me it was like looking at the physical manifestation of mental illness. I am not judging anyone else or their collection, but I realized that for me having more Star Wars toys than I could transport in three or four car trips was beyond ridiculous.

I sold probably 60% of my collection (for a fraction of what I had paid). I gave literally HUNDREDS of carded figures to Toys for Tots because I had stopped keeping up with even opening what I had bought.

I cut way back in what I bought. I probably only buy a couple hundred dollars worth of stuff every year now. I started trying different methods of storing stuff. All the figures stacked loose on top of each other in totes. Splitting them up into small totes based on a scene. I realized I only ever set up one scene at a time so I let go of a lot of the multiple Vaders, etc. that would have been necessary for many scenes at once.

I read articles about how figures shouldn't be kept in Ziplocs and shouldn't be allowed to touch one another in storage and realized I might be hurting my collection, a probelm I still haven't sorted out completely.

But no matter how I shuffle it or store it I still feel like it is just too much. I have an entire large closet and several dressers full of the stuff.

If I get a new figure I dread putting it in the appropriate place with the rest of the collection. If I want to set up a scene it depresses me what a mess I have to make and how hard it might be to pull what I want out of the collection. And then it has to be put back.

So the last few days I pulled a lot of it out with the plan to get rid of even more of it. I started with the Phantom Menace figures. But getting rid of things isn't so easy. I am trying to get rid of some multiples. I am trying to pick the best Obi-wan or Qui-Gon and let the others go. But I have a nostalgia for some of the figures I first bought that aren't as good as some of the later versions. I like the first green Watto even though the later "Watto's box" version is far superior because I remember the early hunt for those first Phantom Menace figures. I feel like I should keep all the Battle Droids or TC-14s because the figures already aren't wearing well and I hope that at least one stands up over time. I can come up with a reason to keep so much of it.

So I set up a kind of cast photo that has just one of each character in the best sculpt for that character. And that alone, just for Episode I, is a lot of figures! If someone came to my house they'd look at JUST THAT and say, "Boy, you sure have a lot of Star Wars figures." not realizing that it wasn't probably 2% of my entire collection.

But yet, I bought the recent Padme Evolutions set becuase it had figures I wanted.

I still admire each individual figure.

But put together I can't admire any of it. It just makes me sick.

With some new bigger pieces coming out that I wouldn't dream of passing up, the Sarlaac, the homestead, I want to make some room, but the whole process is very stressful.

There is some Gollum part of me that while I am picking out toys to get rid of says, "Get your hands off those. Those are mine! All mine! MY PRECIOUS!"

I know what would be smart. I love the original trilogy more. I should just get rid of all the prequel stuff. But then I think, "But I like having an early Palpatine. I would buy a Cliegg Lars in a heartbeat. I sure like my Jedi Council members."

Then I think, "Take it further. You most often set up the droid sale, the cantina, and Jabba's Palace. Get rid of everything but that." Then I think, "Well that would mean you'd get rid of Darth Vader." So I think, "Well, I could keep the main characters." Then I realize I would never get rid of Motti, Lobot, or Admiral Ackbar.

Then I wonder if I'll regret getting rid of so much someday and rebuy it on Ebay, which would really be a waste of money.

I just don't know. My collection depresses me and I would like to change that. But I'm not sure how. I get a real joy out of buying Yarna and setting up the Jabba's Palace scene. I want to get that feeling from my whole collection, but it is just too much.

How do you get rid of things that you love because when put together there are just too many things that you love? The sheer size of the whole makes it impossible to continue to love the individual parts.

mtriv73
08-05-2008, 11:30 AM
It's not depressing for me, just overwhelming (but worth it).

We're in the middle of moving so I just finished packing up my collection. When I figured out I had 2 gallon size ziplock bags full of different astromechs I started to get a little freaked out. Most of my collection is carded and it took up a good 15% of our (very large) storage space. I have every carded figure from 95 till now and many of (what I thought at the time were) the significant variations. While the money I've spent and the space it takes up is a little disconcerting, I also really love to just go down to the basement and look through all of it. It brings me great joy that far outweighs the consternation it also imparts in my life.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-05-2008, 11:40 AM
A good, simple question with a lot more depth required.

I often make SW purchases when I am a bit down, as well as turning down stuff when I'm the same way. But, my collection does not depress me. Most of it is not displayed (mainly just my 400+ comics & books), and I have no diaramas/scenes out.

I've changed from a buy-and-open-one-of-every-figure to a buy-it-if-I-like-it person, which is more relaxing nd enjoyable. I no longer get down about exclusives I missed or scalpers/speculators snagging the new "rare" items, because I chalk that up to an "oh well, guess I won't get that one" belief.

What do I collect?
- action figures (if I like how they look or are a figure I like)
- books (virtually anything that's new gets on my shelves)
- some comics (usually in trade paperback form)
- music (just wish there was more original stuff... Ultimate Editions for the other five films, perhaps? :rolleyes: )
- video (unless it's just in a new packaging)
- some posters (at least one per film) or keychains
- some trading cards (insert "I don't even collect..." comment here :D )
- some clothing (t-shirts, hats, watches, pins, etc.)

That's about it. So, does my collection depress me? No. Does it excite me? Not really, and maybe that's more of the issue.

Ando
08-05-2008, 11:40 AM
I've actually been going through this a bit myself, Droid.

I collected the Kenner line when it relaunched in the mid to late 90's and still have all of it left, but around 1999, I stopped collecting (I bought a couple of figures like Obi Wan, Qui Gon, and Maul, but got tired of it.

My wife has been nothing if not encouraging. She gave me the BMF as a "half-birthday" gift and the AT-TE as an anniversary gift. Actually, she just have me the cash and pushed the cart at MM at TRU, but I digress. She actually really likes the stuff I collect and is the one who inadvertently set me off on this when she bought me the yellow version of the Clone/Stormtrooper Evo set for the first Christmas we were a couple in 2005. And because of that set, I thought "how cool would it be to have a clone army?" And that's been my focus (I've strayed a bit here and there and gotten things I thought were cool). Ever since the battle of Geonosis and the arrival of Yoda and the clones and the Cartoon Network Clone Wars series, my imagination was captured by those images of identical soldiers and their war machines.

So since then, I have gotten multiples of all of the various legions and battallions and squadrons. I have the Delta Squad and Omega Squad, I bought 4 sets of 4 of the all white RC/Super Battle Droid Comic Set, I found 2 gunships on E Bay, my wife bought me one online from Amazon, and bought another for me last year at a specialty shop we have here in Portland. I got the TRU Clone Wars gunship in 2006 and the Hunt For Grievous BP. I bought the 501st, the 212th, the shock troopers, the 41st Elite, the 327th Star Corps... The list GOES ON AND ON AND ON... And Hasbro keeps making the damn things!!!

So with the release of the new items on 07.26.2008, I decided that I want the end to be in sight... I got an AT-TE and some V-19's and plan to get more for my little plastic GAR, and I want a couple of the Wal Mart gunships and the TRU ARC 170's (I missed the AOTC and ROTS lines of vehicles, so I am still playing catch up on them) and the Modified Anakin Jedi Starfighter and handful of the upcoming figures. I'm not army building with the animated line. I will get a few of the figures and the battle packs, but my focus is solely on getting the realistic styled clones and vehicles.

On Saturday night I decided I wanted to set up my new stuff and take pictures to add to my MySpace photo album. So I brought all the bins (unassembled gunships and fighters) up from our apartment complex's storage area, and started unbagging (I keep all my figures in ziplock bags, why exactly is this bad?) all of my Phase I troopers and separating them out. I was only going to focus on the AOTC/Phase I clones for now. By Sunday afternoon, I was out of steam and overwhelmed. By how much I had and how much room we don't have in our little apartment. I didn't even get the gunships out. Until I have room to set stuff up, I don't even unpack most of it or open it. I repacked the AT-TE after I fixed the legs and took some pictures and filled it with troopers.

I know what you mean about the mental illness thing and about the Gollum side of the collector's personality. I'm 31 for crying out loud! But I can see the end and it feels close and what makes me feel okay and not ashamed is that I have 2 nephews that are very young (3 years for one and 6-8 weeks for the other). And I feel like I am doing this for them. Like a steward of a collection that isn't really mine. And don't get me wrong. I'll never be done buying toys. My grandfather collected Matchbox cars until he died in his 70's. But with the exception of the Turbo Tank and possibly a LAAT/c, my clone army is almost complete.

I've gotten kind of obsessive lately and frantic and I just really want to be done. I still love Star Wars, but I feel like what I set out to do had some end point and I feel very close to that end point.

El Chuxter
08-05-2008, 11:42 AM
Last night I was wondering whether to take back Snowbunny Padme, Pom-Pom Clonetrooper, the Sandstorm figures, and Vader. I'm still on the fence, but leaning toward no.

ncbarrett
08-05-2008, 11:48 AM
Early in my marriage I lost my job and couldn't find one for the life of me. So I turned to the only thing I had to make money. The almighty eBay. I sold a lot of Lego sets (many star wars ones Including Jango's slave I). Sold my ST:TNG DVDs (I miss them). Sold various other things that had sentimental value. I sold them because I needed the money.

While it isn't the same situation, it is similar in a way.
Do I wish I still had some of the things I sold? Of course. Am I glad I don't have them? Yes. Because I was providing for my wife and myself. The benefits outweighed the sacrifice.

So my suggestion is this.
If you haven't used a certain figure in the last 3 years, get rid of it (regardless of sentimental value). I am sure you will thin out your collection. Will you miss them? Probably. Will you adapt? Most certainly. Plus if you thin out your duplicates and other ones, you will not feel so guilty about buying the new ones you want.

This is my two cents.
Take it or leave, makes no difference to me. :squareeye

Snowtrooper
08-05-2008, 01:47 PM
I keep a running total of all that I have spent on SW throughout the years. Sometimes when I look at that number I think "Why the hell did I waste so much money on this stuff. I could have bought a car, done some work to the house, or put it to more practical use."

jamesbondo07
08-05-2008, 02:01 PM
I actually am more excited because of buying a new house about 2 years ago. We have a unfinished basement and when I do a family room I am going to set up shelves along one wall from ceiling to floor for my Star Wars figures and be able to set up a couple of larger dioramas. Luckily my wife is very understanding about my hobby.:D

Umbra
08-05-2008, 02:33 PM
My situation is edging on yours Droid.

When I started collecting I was like 10 years old, I recall Boba Fett vs X-wing fights. For a long time I collected figures to open and play with, and set up battles and stuff in our play room. However, I was enamored I guess with the idea of collecting, other kids collected rocks, shells, or coins or something but that never held my interest for long. So I made it my goal to get one of everything.

Trouble started sometime in high school. I no longer was playing with the toys, did that mean I should still open them? WOuld I be more of a colelctor to keep them in the box? THis unfotunatly hit hardest during episode 2. All of a sudden I had boxes upon boxes stacking up everywhere. In addition the play room got convertedinto a spare bedroom, though in turn we added some closets to a refurnished basement.

Near the end of this phase is when I first discovered these forums, I do believe, and through them came to terms with the idea of loose collecting, and therefore was able to go back through some of the stuff and open my favorites for display. Though I only have two shevles available in my room for display, so I had to make the choice to Just display my favorites and otherwise put a number away in storage. This has to rotate out more frequwntly now as newer figures i've waited awhile for come in.

I;ve come to terms with nwo though, that I do not like every figure that comes out, and I dont need the 25th version of Luke or Han, so my incoming numbers are slowing, but then again I am a huge EU fan and follower and with the release of more I can't help but support Hasbro's making of those figures. Unfortunatly, as a recent college Grad i'm still leaching off my parents space, though someday I hope to have enough space to set a lot up again.

However, my main question right now is, what should I do with all the carded figures from the indecisive point in my collecting history? As was pointed out earlier in the thread, Episode 2 figures are filled with action features and gimiks, and many now have been redone in are far finer fashion (episode 2 to 3 Dooku for example). So i have some that are inferior duplicates to ones I have out already, and Others I;m glad to have (such as the younglings) but don;t have room on my limited display shelves to stand, but I don't like the idea of shuffling them straight off into storage. If any more veteran collectors have suggestions, I;m quite willing to listen, this is the only part of my collection that gets me down, the rest I use as a source of geek pride.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-05-2008, 03:34 PM
As a few others have said, I'm sometimes overwhelmed, but not depressed. I'm currently unpacking the figures that were boxed during the move, and now have much more room in which to display them . . . the shelves for the movie figures are now nearly twice as long as before, but it still feels like it's not enough space.

I still get a thrill when I find a new item in the store and open it up and everything; it's always been fun for me, and I don't see that changing. But all the EU stuff - especially when it has no context, or I've absolutely never heard of it before, or is overpriced (see: Crucible set, Rebel TIE Fighter) - is getting old. I love the Clone Wars product, be it from the shows, comics, or Hasbro's minds. But I don't know how long I will still be buying the EU stuff. I usually like it when I get it and it's almost always well-made, but purchasing it in the first place is difficult for me sometimes.

There's only 10 years left (unless they renew the contract, but I don't see that happening), and it will be somewhat of a relief when it ends, but I may as well enjoy it while it lasts. You KNOW it's gonna be weird when it all stops coming.

Ando
08-05-2008, 05:32 PM
I'd like to add an addendum to what I said earlier...

I still get really excited when I find something new that I don't have. It's when I can't find what I know other people are finding or that I know should be out... I get kinda bummed out.

When I found a bunch of the Legacy Collection Saga Legends figures before 07.26.2008 at my local Fred Meyer stores, I was like a little kid.

bobafrett
08-05-2008, 05:50 PM
I have thought mant times about selling off my collection, mostly figures, and other stuff that just collects dust. I'm much to busy between working 65 + hours a week, and starting married life. I hardly ever get a chance to pull out the figures and look at them individually. The last time I did so, it was for the purpose of getting pictures for my insurance in the event that they would get lost in a fire or theft.

Then I start thinking about some of the collection that was given to me from friends, and what would they think if they were to come over, and I only had the higher end collectibles like GG busts, or statues, how would they feel about my getting rid of something they gave, or bought for me.

I've always wanted to have my home decor to be something similar to what my dad has, with pictures and decor filling space. If there is one thing that drives me batty, it's being in a place that has nothing except maybe a couch, a coffee table and maybe a TV but not much else, baren walls, empty spaces in the corners. My choice of decor went from what I thought I would like, to shelves and shelves, and crates of Star Wars memoribilia and toys, and posters, and pictures.

I still get goose pimples whan I hear a Star Wars song played somewhere, I still get giddy when I see a Star Wars movie playing, but now that I'm getting older I look around, and ask myself, "Is this holding me back from being able to get a house of my own?", or "What am I going to do with this when I'm 60, will I ever grow completely out of it?". My wifes friends that visit just shake there heads, but I think I'd rather have my collection, then to have her idea of home decor. I mean look what she did to my Vader sculpture.

PAA_707
08-05-2008, 05:54 PM
Damn man, reading this made me feel like a junky. I barely started collecting Star Wars back around April/May. I started out with nothing but Legos. Of course I opened my Legos, more than half the satisfaction is building them. Anyhow after I've bought everything out I wanted, I noticed there's not many options, and I got to the point where it was either buy the same ones. Or pay outrageous amounts for retired ones off EBay.

Well I started buying retired ones off EBay, paying ridiulous amounts. Paying $20-$30 for a previously priced $5-$10 set. Then when these new sets for Clone Wars came out, the prices were just too high. I like the cartoon figures, but paying those high prices I want the originals.

I've always eyed the action figures, and considered buying some. But neer actually did it. And I passed on a bunch of deals, like a dummy. Last Saturday though when everything new was released I went to Wal-Mart considering buying the AT-TE, Magna Starship, or Republic Gunship. I just wasn't satisfied with the mini figures included, at all.

So boom my action figure collection was born. I bought close to 50 figures since Saturday July 26th. I've already started looking at my collection like damn. But then again I just want to make sure I get everything I want before it's gone. But I have the habit of buyin 1 to keep in the package and 1 to open. I have to do it. I just don't want to regret in the future, like I have in the past. Ruining some valuable collectibles. But who knows which ones will really turn out to be "valuable."

Ando
08-05-2008, 06:08 PM
I've been blessed and spoiled by my wife. She's been supportive and encouraging. And I don't overdo it on where my stuff gets displayed. I keep a few things on top of the big bookshelves that hold our books (most of which are her's) which are on either side of my big LCD TV and stand. We have managed to keep a good balance of my crap vs. her stuff. She's taken up knitting recently and while we were on vacation, she knit me a Yoda doll. Now I am trying to get her to knit herself a Princess Leia cap with the buns.

She's even talked about us collecting LEGOs when we have a house big enough for them all to be set up.

We both get our own spending money each month for whatever we want plus it makes it easier to buy gifts for birthdays and Christmas and to keep it secret, so it's not like I am spending all of our money on "magic beans" whenever I can. And every once in a while when we are out shopping, one of us will want something but be out of/low on money, and the other one will say "pay with the joint account" as a special treat.

It's all been very balanced, but lately I've been feeling the highs and lows at their extremes and outside of this forum, it's kinda hard to say "hey, I'd like to talk about my feelings regarding my Star Wars toy collection" and be taken seriously, so I really appreciate this thread for that.

Blackened88
08-05-2008, 06:33 PM
I understand how you feel. Ive been collecting since the Star Wars Special Endition movies came out, seen every movie for the first time in the theatres, the way its supposed to be. Since watching Episode IV at the age of 9 i started collecting, nothing big just the figs i wanted and i was happy. That continued until Ep III came out and i started army building clones. It had to be 5 of each clone they ever made and it was so stressful trying to find 5 of each. If im to go back and take out my Ep III clones its not fun because its like i gotta take out all 5 plus any other clone from that battalion and i just cant enjoy it. It was more fun when i had less. It got to the point where i just stopped opening and figures start stacking up and opening five of each clone gets annoying real fast. So i stopped army building Original Triliogy so i can concentrate on building clones. For a while it was depressing me andi still love my collection its just to big to have any fun really and was considering to stop collecting. But with The Clone Wars its like a chance to start over so im taking a different approach. Im only buying two of each clone and im already happier, saving money and theres more love to give to each clone since theres less and its easier to take out and just have some fun.

bigbarada
08-05-2008, 06:36 PM
I wouldn't say depressed as much as annoyed at times by all the space it takes up and all the money I've spent on my collection. My vintage collection takes up the most space, but that stuff is an investment of sorts. Although caring for it and trying to preserve the condition takes all of the fun out of owning it most of the time.

For the modern line, I disregard every figure sculpted prior to 2001 and most figures prior to 2004. I've boiled my prequel collecting down to just a few Clone Wars items and even then no main characters, just Clonetroopers and Battle Droids (to include Super Battle Droids, Destroyer Droids, and the vehicle sized droids from Geonosis).

For OT modern action figures, I focus mainly on ROTJ figures, Cantina/Mos Eisley characters and a select few ESB figures. Even then, I only focus on what I consider to be the best of the best.

Meaning that, since I don't build dioramas, if Hasbro never updates Admiral Ackbar, for example, then my collection will just have to survive without a modern Admiral Ackbar figure.

I got out of the Army in 2002 with a massive collection of toys and had to move back in with my parents as I went to college and used my GI Bill. So, I went from living in a two-man room with two walk-in closets (since I was a Sergeant, I got the whole room to myself), to a small bedroom with a tiny closet. My collection quickly overtook that tiny room and I only had a 4 foot by 2 foot walkway to my bed and everything else was boxes.

That got old very fast, so I sold my entire vintage collection in one giant lump then proceeded to "purge" the rest of my modern figures (which included one of every figure from 1995-2002 and several vehicles, 12" figures, books, magazines, comics, trading cards, etc.). I kept one tiny shoebox with my most recent POTJ purchases and just carried sealed boxes of action figures to the dumpster and threw them in until everything was gone.

I knew that if I opened the boxes I would be too tempted to keep everything, so the best thing to do was to just blindly toss it all out. It was a traumatic process, but in the end all I felt was relief. $200 spent back in 1995 really means nothing to me now, so it's not something I regret at all (in fact, I feel another modern action figure purge coming on).

Neuroleptic
08-05-2008, 07:05 PM
I used to feel discouraged, because I realized about three years ago that I would NEVER have the room to display everything I had. At the time houses were still much more expensive than they are now (it's certanly a buyers market today!) so I figured I'd never buy a three bedroom house. And now, even if I could, I probably wouldn't use the third bed room for my collection. And here's why.


I had started collecting (again) in 95 and had most of the figures right up until AOTC. After AOTC, I STOPPED collecting for about up until a little after ROTS came out, because I just did not like what was out.

Then one day when I was looking at my collection, I realized that not only would I never really be able to display it all, but I didn't even like about 95 percent of what I had.

Sooo . . .

I bought ONE good book shelf. I allowed myself to fill three shelves of it with opened items. I left two shelves empty, and allowed the top shelf for the AT-AT I was then in the process of restoring.

I allowed myself a small area on the wall for my vintage (77-86) figures. I also kept a recent model kit that I spent almost a YEAR biulding of the X-wing from fine molds (I HIGHLY Reccomend these kits by the way if you can find them on line) and a hamelton collectors plate from the 80s that my mother gave to me when I was 6 since she's deceased.

I sold absolutly EVERYTHING else, and put the money toward new hobbies and the house.

I didn't make anywere NEAR what I paied for them. Even still, I sold them in three large lots on E-bay, and made myself 560 bucks in spending cash. I had more fun with that money than I would have EVER had with the collection.

Today, I have the one book shelf (Still two empty shelves that I use for storage until my collection expands) three small individual shelves on the wall in my living room, and the top of my dresser (still havn't put anything on them) that I am allowed to use to display/expand my collection.

If I ever fill it compleatly, I have set a rule. I MUST sell some of it before I buy new items after that point.

I honestly find myself paring down all the time now here and there. I'll be selling all of my clone troopers but my AT-AP (I think that's what it's called), it's 'crew' of three figures, and my 501st legion clones. All the rest of em? Going bye bye to make room for my jedi star fighter. I have a lot of fun selling things I have changed my mind about on E-bay even if I take a loss.

I now have a collection that I actualy like every last item. I don't keep anything packaged, save vintage figures (and most of them are figures I restore) because the new figures are probably never going to be worth what the old ones are. I also just enjoy desplaying them this way better, because I only buy what I truly like.

These are the rules I have set up for myself when it comes to buying star wars figures.

Rule number 1. I am not allowed to expand my collection beyond the amount of room I have now. This means no Big millenium falcon, or at-te. Darn.

Rule numter 2. I am not allowed to spend more than 20 dollars at a time, with few exceptions. This means no more at-te or big millenium falcon. Darn.

Rule number 3. I am not allowed to spend more than 50 dollars a month ,again, with even more exceptions than Rule number 2. My wife helps me out with this, and despite my griping at times, I am greatful for the help. This means no big millenium falcon or at-te. Darn.

Rule number 4. With the exception of two storm troopers to guard the shuttle ramp, EVERY SINGLE FIGURE MUST BE DIFFERENT. re-paint variations, and new sculpts are ok (people are actualy impressed with the sand trooper batalion I have! Who knew they had so many varieties?) No doubles, at all.

Rule number 5. Every shelf or display area must have some kind of theme. For examples, the top of my book shelf is for the imperial army. Next shelf is for the Y-wing with droids and pilots, next is for the B-wing with droids and pilots. next is for ROTS (501st army, jedi, jedi star fighter and AT-AP) three shelves in the living room are sith shelf, main hero character's shelf, and the third one is for pairs. Han and chewy, R2 3po, Vader luke.

Rule number 6. Everything must be opened, except the vintage figures that mostly consist of packaging that I have re-made. Tip: blister bubles can be found on E-bay.

And I STILL have room to expand my collection.

Sure all that means that my collection remains small by comparison to other collectors, but you'd really be suprised what you can put on one shelf, and it really dose look good displayed out, opened, where you can enjoy it.

I still get excited finding new figures at the store and adding things to my collection too. I doubt this hobby will ever get old so long as I maintain these rules.

Just my advice.

Devo
08-05-2008, 08:20 PM
Kind of depressed at the moment - I have over 2000euros worth of preorders of Hot toys 1/6th stuff - they're mega-expensive to ship to Ireland added to the already mega expensive base price - and then add to that customs. I expect these to be spread apart by weeks and months but still - am I ever going to save any money at all??

I'm forever expanding my toy buying horizons even when I try to set boundaries for myself - buying my first 1/6th was a line I probably at one point swore I wouldn't cross, more dangerous still is I'm now developing 1/6th completism for the particular licenses I'm into.
Like droid whenever I consider off-loading some of my star wars collection I then think of reasons to keep most of the stuff down to the point where theres no point selling so little.
And sometimes things happen in your life that makes the toy collection seem so pointless.

Blue2th
08-05-2008, 08:48 PM
I still like collecting, but I have been overwhelmed by running out of room, so in that respect it gets me down sometimes.

I recently decided that I just want to thin it down to mostly loose figures. They are easy to store in 45 gallon bins, you can separate them according to movie or scene in baggies. If you don't have enough shelf room at least you can easily go dig out what you want and put the other ones back and rotate your display. You can keep lots of toys that way, and get them out of the way.

If I have two of the same vehicle or figure, sell off the extra. Who cares if the value is almost nothing, least you got rid of it.

bigbarada
08-05-2008, 09:07 PM
I recently crossed over into GI Joe collecting, but have learned a lot of lessons from my years of collecting Star Wars. There is always the urge to be a completist, especially when after weeks and weeks of nothing, you suddenly see an entire new wave filling the pegs.

But I'm learning to control that and just focus on characters and figures from the 1982-85 era (basically, everything pre-Serpentor).

I'm going to continue collecting Star Wars from time to time, but I have to cut back severely.

For OT items, I'm just going to focus on figures and vehicles that I wanted from my childhood (pre-1991). Which makes a very short list that has almost been fulfilled:
1. Darth Vader with a removable helmet
2. a correctly scaled Millennium Falcon (the BMF Falcon isn't to scale but it's as close as we will ever get)
3. A-Wing with Green Leader pilot
4. correctly scaled AT-AT
5. Chewbacca with ROTJ hairstyle
6. Artoo with third leg
7. Stormtrooper that can turn his head
8. Kithaba (although I knew him as Barada as a kid)
9. Ephant Mon
10. Han Solo in Stormtrooper disguise
11. Darth Vader's TIE Fighter (the current one is crap, so it doesn't count for me.
12. Dewback with Sandtrooper (really need an update of the 1997 set)
13. Admiral Ackbar
14. Gamorrean Guard
15. Wicket

So that's 6 items from my childhood wishlist that I can check off (5 until I buy the new Falcon). 2 that are confirmed for later this year or next year (A-Wing and Han Stormtrooper). And 7 items to look forward to in the future: big AT-AT, Kithaba, new Vader's TIE, new Dewback w/ trooper (remember the current Darth Vader's TIE Fighter and Dewback were sculpted between 1995-2000, so they don't count to me), Ackbar, Gamorrean, and Wicket.

Of course, there will be exceptions (especially in the case of the Cantina and Jabba's Palace), but those will be taken on a toy by toy basis.

For Prequel stuff, I'm just going to build a small collection around the AT-TE (I already have 75% of that small collection, I just need the AT-TE :) ).

Darth Jax
08-05-2008, 10:18 PM
i find opening my toys typically leads to buyers remorse. i've yet to be disappointed by something i've kept encased in plastic.

once you remove the figure you realize the flaws in the sculpt, areas lacking in articulation, variances in scale or more commonly with the modern figures the wilting legs they have. unless i reposition them frequently time takes a quick toll and they simply warp and won't stand any longer.

galactic heroes are my weak point, they're so darn cute and durable that i can't keep them packaged. they're fun to play with for all ages but they have a definite lack of vehicles in the line.

i'm by no means a completist. i continue to buy vaders if display is superior to what i have already. i don't mind most of the action features, unless they're visually distorting to the character since i keep them packaged. certainly i'm disappointed that most of my collection is in boxes so i can't admire it as much as i'd like. i have no spare space in my place that isn't occupied by it, yet i keep buying more. i get frustrated when there is a long span of time and no new product and get bored so i stop shopping. i end up missing waves or popular figures, but i came to the realization long ago that i'll never have "everything ever made" so i get what i can.

star wars isn't my only vice, but in the other lines i collect i'm even choosier so buy much less. i don't regret any of the $$$ that i've thrown away buying small chunks of petroleum based product (anyone that really believes their collection will ever be worth what they spent for it is simply deluding themselves).

Blue2th
08-06-2008, 12:49 AM
i find opening my toys typically leads to buyers remorse. i've yet to be disappointed by something i've kept encased in plastic.

once you remove the figure you realize the flaws in the sculpt, areas lacking in articulation, variances in scale or more commonly with the modern figures the wilting legs they have. unless i reposition them frequently time takes a quick toll and they simply warp and won't stand any longer.


Some of the packages themselves dissapoint more than the figures though.
I like to collect carded examples if the card is nice.
I've gotten rid of a lot of ROTS figures simply because of that, yet kept much of the tertiary characters loose because they probably will never be produced again, but what's the point in keeping the crappy card? I feel the same way about the new card design that some people like. (to each their own)

There's something to be said about the older figures that are more rigid with less articulation, but have nice sculpting to them. Newer is not necessarily better.
I mean there are some with all kinds of play value but when you try to put them in a loose display they wilt like you say, unless you use them in a vehicle, or they have worse ball-jointed awkward looking heads on them than others.

I don't think it's wrong to set standards on the kind of figures you want to buy. Read reviews of the figures and form an opinion on whether they are even worth buying at all.

I think the first step is to not be a completist (hey maybe that should be one of the twelve steps for action figure addiction lol)
I curbed my buying this go around, and passed on a lot of figures, so there is a heck of a lot less buyers remorse.

Thank you Hasbro for not putting out nice cards with beautiful artwork this time.

Old Fossil
08-06-2008, 08:43 AM
I get frustrated with myself for not having more self-control. I've gotten better with the years, though. I've sworn off anything from the animated Clone Wars line, for example. They are very nice figures but not buying that line is a good way for me to limit myself. I also no longer army build, not even squads. I usually will buy 1 Clone Commander and possibly 1 of his subordinates, as I did with the TAC Gree and Kashyykk trooper. I also stay away from the Battle Packs, since there is usually at best 1 new figure in them. (The recent 2 Legacy Hoth-themed packs are the only BP's I have ever bought.) I haven't bought one of the $20 vehicles since Saesee Tiin's starfighter, now over a year ago.

Unfortunately with the Legacy collection it's different. The Build-A-Droid thing suckered me in to buying the ROTJ Vader just to finish building the R7 droid, the design of which I don't even really care for. And I'm considering buying the Sandstorm figures just so I can complete the R4 droid.

I bought the BMF. I feel a little guilty about it since money is not currently locally abundant.:rolleyes: But it's a purchase for a lifetime, I think, and probably the single most expensive Star Wars item I've ever bought.

I dunno. I love my collection and love buying. I think SW collecting, and action figure collecting in general, is for our generation like the basement train sets of a previous generation. It's harmless fun that we can at times safely obsess over.:love:

Tycho
08-06-2008, 09:28 AM
A lot of Droid's first post PERFECTLY describes how I collected, myself.

I am not depressed by my collection, however I am depressed that it presently is mostly all packed into several storage units because when everyone thought I was as good as dead three years ago, my uncle vacated my old apartment as he thought I'd never be going back there.

I live in a nicer apartment now, but I really need to buy a house and then I can move my collection out of storage and set up all those scenes all over the place - like a whole 5 bedroom house is a museum.

jedi master sal
08-06-2008, 09:36 AM
Wow great yet sad topic...

One thing that has helped me out is to budget. Keeping myself within budget makes me make decisions on what I buy. The big problem there is that I have a large budget for SW stuff. Even though I cut in in half for this year, it's still $3K. Thankfully, I'm not even halfway there this year even with the $855+ I spent on the weekend of 7/26.

I so much want to purge my stuff, yet strangely my fiancee wants me to keep the old crap POTF2 figs. I'm in no way nostalgic for them. Compared to today's sculpt they really are crap. They aren't worth much of anything (check eBay and you'll see).

We're SO close to buying a new home now. Once that happens you can believe I AM going to purge the collection whether she likes it or not. For one, I've long planned to set up large dioramas. Having a bunch of old, unwanted crap around is going to take much needed room away from my much more desireable projects.

Most of my stuff currently is in a large storage unit. THAT part depresses me as I'd rather LOOK at it, than know it's safely tucked away. Every time I go to the unit to put more stuff in it, I can't believe how much I already have.

There is going to be a lot of stuff I'm going to part with. Whether or not I make money, break even, loss money or just plain give it away, isn't going to matter to me so much. I'll just be happy to have the space back and know that I have what I truly WANT as opposed to what I thought I needed.

I've practically cured myself of army building which has helped not only with storing stuff, but with saving money and keeping in budget.

I really and honestly can't say how I FEEL about my collection. I'm glad to have it most times, depressed I can't see it more of that time, frequently upset that I spent so much on it that I could have been in a home by now instead...

I can't wait to get the house. I look forward to seeing my collection again AND paring it down. Yard sale/eBay for sure!

Darth Jax
08-06-2008, 06:54 PM
I've practically cured myself of army building which has helped not only with storing stuff, but with saving money and keeping in budget.


is this the same sal that was buying 50 of every clone??? or did you finally get all of them that you need

Tycho
08-06-2008, 11:35 PM
1) I can't wait to get my house. It will have to be a 5 bedroom, 3-car-garage.

I don't plan to marry. I don't see the point. So living alone, I plan to do what I want.

The first thing I will do is remain in my apartment for at least an extra week or two.

2) I will hire movers to take my collection out of storage and place it in the 3-car-garage. In the moving truck and the garage, I'll try to maintain how I arranged things in storage: a movie-by-movie collection. At least that way it's easier to find stuff.

3) Then I'll move stuff on my own from the garage into my new house:

All Naboo / Endor stuff will go in the living room.

All Coruscant / Death Star stuff will go in the A/V Entertainment Room.

Hoth and Cloud City stuff will go in one bedroom.

Prequel Tatooine, Geonosis, Utopau, and Mustafar stuff will go in another room.

OT Tatooine and Jabba's Palace stuff will go in another room.

Otah Gunga, Kamino, Kashyyyk, Yavin, and Dagobah stuff will go in another room.

Basically, I'll be sorting stuff out like that. I guess a 4-bedroom home could work, but the larger the house I can get, the safer I'll be that everything will fit and not overwhelm any one room.

4) Then I'll inventory the collection, scene-by-scene and make sure I have everything I need.

5) Then I'll re-pack it up, so I can have my furniture moved in, along with the display cases - some having to be custom-made (especially for Geonosis).

6) Then I'll actually start living in my new house and release my old apartment.

7) Then, I'll pick one room at a time, and begin working on permanent displays. I probably will even bring JediMasterSal out here to help me.

I'll likely have several years worth of work I can do to relax and craft my dioramas.

Having that kind of space for my dioramas will make all the difference in the world to me and I'll be super-glad to have my collection then - not at all depressed!

I just hope everything makes it there intact and that batteries don't spoil in some things I can't currently get to in my storage. But it's a chance I HAVE to take as there's really nothing I can do about it right now except hurry to buy a good house and get the show on the road.

Sick as I've become with my medical concerns, which will hopefully be well on the way to being resolved by this point, getting the house and building these great displays is ALL I have left that I'm looking forward to.

Maybe my books will sell and I'll start a new career in the entertainment business - but the house and displays will still be where I spend the money. Maybe I'll find a great girl - but I'll have purchased the house - she'd have to really be something to even be invited to share. And maybe I'll make another foray into elected public service - an interest of mine I've always been passionate about. But the maybes are just that.

Star Wars I can count on. I'm LIVING to put those dioramas up. That's my first priority.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-06-2008, 11:46 PM
I keep a running total of all that I have spent on SW throughout the years. Sometimes when I look at that number I think "Why the hell did I waste so much money on this stuff. I could have bought a car, done some work to the house, or put it to more practical use."That's about my only regret. That and the space it is taking up. However, before I was collecting figures I was still spending plenty, so I would probably have bought more video games, music or gadgets.


i find opening my toys typically leads to buyers remorse. i've yet to be disappointed by something i've kept encased in plastic.In the early days of my collecting, I didn't open much. Just duplicates, most of which were army builder types. I remember opening a POTF2 TIE Pilot and being disappointed that the guns were so huge, that he had trouble holding them in a way that looked right, and he had trouble standing up. This was never a problem with the vintage figures I had. It's things like that - figures that can't stand or hold their weapons, and peg holes that aren't big enough - which bother me more than some incorrect detail on a figure.

I never went overboard on buying figures like Droid did. It never occurred to me to buy multiples of the same figure unless it was an army builder. I figured that someday I would open the figures and set up scenes, but I didn't figure I'd ever have room to have them all displayed at once. Also, since I didn't start collecting until 1999, there were already multiple releases of some of the main characters, so I could buy one of each figure and have more than one Vader to use in different scenes.

At some point, I might want to go through and get rid of some of my figures, but that would be mostly duplicate figures. I'm not a fan of the ROTS Vader figure, but that is essentially the same figures as the one that came with the coin album, and I probably have the same figure as part of some other set. So, I could get rid of the extras. I also am not too sure if I really need all of the different Jedi Starfighter variants. I have a lot of those in boxes taking up space. I could probably keep the main ones that were in the movie and get rid of the rest, especially since I have a lot of them in Titanium series form. With the recent purchase of the BMF, my OTC version of the Falcon might be expendable some day.

With figures, even though there are a ton of different Tatooine Lukes, I would probably keep them all if there was something different about them. While the POTF2 figures look awful by today's standards with their buffed up look, I like having them so that my collection is kind of like an action figure archive. I can see the evolution of the figures. I might display them that way someday, putting all figures of the same character together.

I hear a lot of people on these boards talking about other lines they collect. I couldn't even begin to consider doing that, both with the money and space that would take up. I sort of regret all of the LOTR figures I bought. Without those, I'd have a lot of room in my closet that I could use for my Star Wars collection.

So, I'm not really depressed about my collection, as Star Wars means a lot to me and I like the excitement of getting new figures. I just wish I had more room or a better way to make use of the room that I have.

Tycho
08-07-2008, 02:18 AM
I so agree that Star Wars has deep meaning for me as well - and I'm not about to collect other toy lines.

That being said, I started Star Trek before there was a modern SW collection (Playmates) and I kept up with much of the Art Asylum that I liked.

I got some McFarlane Terminator stuff, but it was very limited.

Transformers can easily bait me with main Gen1 characters and super-realisticaly detailed alt-forms, so I did Alternators and Japanese Masterpieces, and then got most of the movie figures.

But other than the above genres, I will not touch other toy lines. Star Wars is enough for me. It's a huge commitment by itself, and Trek, Terminator, and Transformers (huh - three "t's - go figure...) are only going to have more to buy anyway.

Eventually, Star Trek is going to get a major display in my 3 car garage. I plan to keep a boat in the 3rd space and park the vehicle I drive outside, so I'll make a Trek museum with the majority of the space I have left.

On some staircase landing or showcase alcove - all my Transformers could most likely fit. Maybe a display case will house a model city street for them to do battle on. I don't know.

The Terminator stuff could easily fit in some wall showcase that I put in the kitchen or any small area that's clearly separate from my Star Wars collection and not interfering with it.

Then that's it. I'll admire other people's Batman, GI Joe, Alien vs. Predator, Iron Man, Pirates stuff, etc.

jedi master sal
08-07-2008, 10:57 AM
is this the same sal that was buying 50 of every clone??? or did you finally get all of them that you need

Well, not 59. But depending on the character I would buy in increments of 10 or 20 or 40 or 80. WIth some notable exceptions, such as the Utapau trooper of which I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 120. But I guess it averages out...

Ando
08-07-2008, 11:12 AM
Man, those Utapau troopers were EVERYWHERE in 2006/2007. I bought as many as I could find.

Blue2th
08-07-2008, 11:54 AM
Man, those Utapau troopers were EVERYWHERE in 2006/2007. I bought as many as I could find.

Yeah I bought more of those than any other trooper. It would be nice to get a Legacy AOTC type armor one now.

Ando
08-07-2008, 12:04 PM
They're making a 212th (orange troopers) battle pack that comes with with 4 troopers and Obi Wan. It's a Target exclusive and unfortunately it's the animated style.

Blue2th
08-07-2008, 12:33 PM
It's AOTC phase one armor, so maybe we'll see them eventually. Along with Obi-Wan in phase two armor.

Something to look forward to, to make collecting less depressing (to stay on topic:))

jedi master sal
08-07-2008, 01:45 PM
Ugh, yet more clones I would feel compelled to buy. If they do the realistic phase 1 in the Animated colors, I'm going to try very hard to resist the urge to heavily army build these. Though I know I'll still end up buying 5-10 or them...

Blue2th
08-07-2008, 02:42 PM
I'll make an exception for those. I love the phase one armor, and the orange trimmed troopers.
I wonder if by chance we would get a Commander Cody and an Airborne in phase one. That would be awesome!
With the animated battle pack, and just today I saw an Obi-Wan and Orange trimmed Phase one Clone Trooper in the Galactic Heroes. The Legacy one can't be too far behind hopefully.

plasticfetish
08-07-2008, 04:16 PM
This is a really good thread. This topic seems to pop up every now and then, but I don't think I've ever read so many well thought out replies. Some very good analysis of what makes a collector tick.

I think that regardless of whether you feel good, bad, or somewhere in between about your collecting habits, being able to question them is very healthy. And I've laughed a bit at some of the "rules," but only because I've been doing that (or have tried to) over the last decade.

Interests will wane, and your tastes will change, but if the whole thing just isn't fun anymore, then it's time to purge your collection, and change your habits. Star Wars has been a pretty significant part of what I collect, but I enjoy toys in general, and it's not the only game in town.

The only time that I feel bad about what I've bought, is when I spend money on something, and it turns out to be far less interesting (well made, or whatever) than what I expected. Then it feels "wasted" to me. I can always thin things out a bit, and sell off parts of my collection (and I've had plenty regrets about doing that also), but I simply hate bringing something home, and finding that it sucks.

Space is always an issue, and I've moved three times in the last five years, so I've seen my collection swell and shrink because I've had to deal with finding new homes for it. I really love the "if I can't display it, then I don't need it" rule, but I'll probably always allow myself to store lines of toys that I consider to be "classics," be they modern or vintage.

With the house that we moved into last summer, I've had a year now to decide what I'll be doing with the various rooms, and where there will be appropriate space for display. I don't put everything in every room, but there are going to be "things" all over. Having come to terms with how much room I have to display, say... my Sci-Fi movie toys, I'll probably begin to sort through everything and redetermine what stays and what goes.

...it's kind of the circle of life for any collector I suppose.


I dunno. I love my collection and love buying. I think SW collecting, and action figure collecting in general, is for our generation like the basement train sets of a previous generation. It's harmless fun that we can at times safely obsess over.I think you really nailed it there. Though I'm sure those old basement train guys probably did (and still do) freak out from time to time when they looked at how much attention they where giving to their hobby.

JON9000
08-07-2008, 06:19 PM
I have to hand it to Droid, that was a great post. The meat of it really comes down to this: why do grown ups buy things that are of absolutely no practical use to us? Droid really laid it on the line... people make purchases as a form of therapy sometimes, filling up the holes in their lives with material goods.

You have guts, man. Great post.

Droid
08-07-2008, 07:18 PM
I have to hand it to Droid, that was a great post. The meat of it really comes down to this: why do grown ups buy things that are of absolutely no practical use to us? Droid really laid it on the line... people make purchases as a form of therapy sometimes, filling up the holes in their lives with material goods.

You have guts, man. Great post.

Thanks for that. I am still wrestling with this right now.

The collection was very important to me during unhappy times. Now I am in happier times and the collection is a source of unhappiness. I don't want to give up the collection or stop collecting; I want to make the collection something that isn't a source of stress.

I appreciate everyone's comments. I have tried not to post in the thread once I started it though as I am hopeful people will keep bringing their thoughts, feelings, and ideas. I don't want to come in and make some remark that people view as the end of the conversation.

Collecting is such a big part of our lives and we talk about our collections a lot, but we don't often talk about how the collections make us feel though.

Tycho
08-07-2008, 07:55 PM
I really love the "if I can't display it, then I don't need it" rule,

For sure. This governs what I buy - and my dioramas, and if something fits them, is the determinant of exactly what I can display. For example, from the beginning, I'd always left room for an AT-TE and 2 Homing Spider Droids (though the latter turned out bigger than I thought they'd be). So I had no problem deciding to purchase those items.


Meanwhile, OldFossil's basement train set analogy was spot-on. That's exactly how I'd describe my dioramas and the effort I want to put into them.


people make purchases as a form of therapy sometimes, filling up the holes in their lives with material goods.

Exactly. Human beings are living animals. In biology, life functions are described as being born, eating, sleeping, engaging in sexual activity, and then dying. Assuming we are nothing more special than earth's most complicated animals, and since we don't lack food or shelter if we're able to buy Star Wars toys, I suspect that for all of us they are escapes from our relationships that are frequently more affordable than escort girls.


The collection was very important to me during unhappy times. Now I am in happier times and the collection is a source of unhappiness. I don't want to give up the collection or stop collecting; I want to make the collection something that isn't a source of stress.

Happy times and unhappy times are cyclical and will BOTH repeat themselves throughout our lives. If Star Wars was a relief for you during unpleasant times, it may very well serve as that escape again. If you sell or otherwise alleviate yourself of your collection, you WILL STRESS over restoring it, versus continuing on, getting NEW ITEMS. Storing it away for a while, if you need to get it out of your sight, is a better solution when possible.

How you determine what you purchase might affect your enjoyment of the hobby. I always went forward with this to make the dioramas (like the basement train sets) that I always wished I could do as a child. I don't worry or even pay attention to exclusives, packaging variants, or "having everything." In fact, I primarily LIST what I want (out of things that don't yet exist - like the Corporate Alliance Tank Droid - I "need" 2 of them), and then I purchase something like that once I have the opportunity (2009). If they have variants, or the new animated collection - I just ignore it and don't worry myself over this. The hobby is for my relaxation, not my stress endurance.

So I'm not "a collector," I just probably have more stuff than the 1-of-each or even 2-of-everything guys. And I guess that amounts to "a collection," anyway.

But I can totally relate to what Droid posted. In the summer of 1994 I broke up with my first college girlfriend and I sat mulling over the relationship. While I was being depressed over it, I got out a paper and pencil and drew a picture of "simpler times," and how all I once cared about was setting up my vintage collection in the ultimate dioramas with as many troops as it would take to "look awesome." Ironically, it would be less than a year later when the first 9 figures of the POTF2 collection would surface and I decided to buy "at least 5 stormtroopers this time." Uh yeah. I have at least 100 of the POTF2 stormtroopers today...

But I never bought what I didn't need. This includes battle packs or Evolutions sets that might've tempted me for just 1 figure. I traded for what I needed instead. And so, that is that.

bobafrett
08-08-2008, 08:29 AM
I found it easier than I thought to use some of my extra figures to sell off at a silent auction held at the "Relay for Life" the past two years. I was able to get more than I asked for the figures, with the money going to the American Cancer Society, but with that being said, those figures were doubles of the ones I had, and I had intended to open them and display that around my place. I don't know if I would still find it that easy to part with the remainder of my figures. Also, the doubles were mostly of various troopers, and Vaders, so they sold, but if the figures were something that only a completist like myself would want, I doubt if I could still get anything for them. I really don't have the time to sell off my collection on eBay, and if I did, I question if it would make me less stressed, I mean right now I feel down, because the only thing I have bought from the recent release was Yarna, and Bane. I don't have the money, nor the space to bring to much more into my house (rented).

Qui-Long Gone
08-08-2008, 02:37 PM
I never get depressed by my collection, but sometimes I get bored. Recently my 6 and 2 year olds have taken an interest with SW figures, so now it's fun again. Sometimes I give them my figures or I'll buy them their own. Usually I've enough to give them one of mine because I'm a dork for doubles.....

Because I'm in school again we don't have much $$$ to spend on entertainment, so figures are a nice cheep gift my wife and kids enjoy getting me as much as I enjoy getting them....

They make greak Father's Day, anniversary, Christmas, and Birthday gifts....that covers late spring, early summer, late fall and early winter for me.

I think if your collection depresses you it's time for you to find new hobbies or try to make new friends. These are just toys fuled by the awsomeness of imagination....but the world is full of other great things besides fiction and fantasy. If your collection is bumming you out, maybe you're too possessive of things and should share (like for example, send me your figures you no longer want!!!!).

:D

Ando
08-08-2008, 03:17 PM
...They make greak Father's Day, anniversary, Christmas, and Birthday gifts

My wife and I took our 3 year old nephew to TRU to pick out a Father's Day gift for his dad (my sister's husband).

He picked out an Anakin Skywalker and a Darth Vader for his dad.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-08-2008, 03:30 PM
I found it easier than I thought to use some of my extra figures to sell off at a silent auction held at the "Relay for Life" the past two years. I was able to get more than I asked for the figures, with the money going to the American Cancer Society, but with that being said, those figures were doubles of the ones I had, and I had intended to open them and display that around my place.That's a great idea. If only I had more doubles... perhaps I should go back in time, buy carded figs, so I could then auction them off for good causes. :confused: ;)

My problem is that most (I'd guess 94.9% :p ) of my figs are loose and not unopened, along with the fact I have very few doubles (I'd estimate around 3.3%).

TeeEye7
08-08-2008, 08:28 PM
My problem is that most (I'd guess 94.9% :p ) of my figs are loose and not unopened, along with the fact I have very few doubles (I'd estimate around 3.3%).

What makes up the remaining 1.8%? ;)

Bel-Cam Jos
08-08-2008, 10:05 PM
Different categories. You see, I have 918 different figures, which can be divided into such sub-categories as:
- carded or loose
- Prequel, Original Trilogy, or Vintage
- mint or less-than mint
- etc.

And I can guess at (read: make up :p ) those percentages. 62.1% of people know that. :rolleyes: But I'd say my "guesses" are fairly close amounts.

DarthQuack
08-09-2008, 03:42 AM
Great topic indeed...Mostly for me, it's finances and burnt out(ness) that keeps me from going 24/7/365.....it's really tough for me too, I love SW and have always enjoyed collecting. Just when you don't make as much money as you'd like to be making and have your normal bills it's tough to find the change in the sofa to scrap together to buy things these days. Another thing that could depress me is finding figures, going on the hunt, only to find empty pegs or 6 month old pegs....I don't know, I've been outta the collecting bug for almost a year it feels like, but I do want to pick up the BMF at least.

Sinscia Fat'o
08-09-2008, 04:19 PM
Actually i've been going through a very bad ordeal with my collection, as it's started becoming bigger than my home, and well i don't have room for everything i have and or want to get...which has made some real real issues for me personally.

My other problem is with my girl friend who has been fussing at me for buying figure still...telling me i need to grow up and move on, as she don't understand i collect SW and even IJ because it's an outlet to help me feel better, something to make me feel better. Which from talking with others...I'm not alone on that standing.

But does my collection depress me? No. Does it make me regret the money i've wasted? No. But does it make me mad at times because i don't have the space i would like or have the time to really store and pack away this stuff like i would like to...Yes.

I've personally scaled back a lot. as i have not army built anything for the legacy series and have no real plans to do so. I will buy one of each new figure though...and i did buy the BMF....I had to. Though every new figure to me feels like my last, as i don't know when my GF is going to lay down the hammer on me. LOL. God thats sad.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-09-2008, 04:28 PM
Dr. Phil had a guy on who was said to be "obsessed" with collecting SW. I didn't watch it (I never do), but the commercials made the guy out to be defensive.

bigbarada
08-09-2008, 04:41 PM
When you buy a toy like the BMF Falcon (does BMF stand for what I think it stands for?), then all the uncertainty and self-doubt just melts away. This thing is so big that it's forcing me to let go of more large segments of my collection. However, it is also cool enough that I don't mind.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-09-2008, 04:42 PM
Dr. Phil had a guy on who was said to be "obsessed" with collecting SW. I didn't watch it (I never do), but the commercials made the guy out to be defensive.Here is a write-up (http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/4267/?id=4267&showID=1024) about it.

I think that was discussed in another thread a while back. Both of those people seemed pretty messed up. She didn't even realize the extent of his collection until they were enagaged, and then assumed that he would grow up and stop. He thought cuddling with her was boring.

DarkArtist
08-09-2008, 04:43 PM
I wouldn't say that my collection depresses me, i mean yes i look back on all the stuff i bought and all my hard earned money that landed in Lucas's already gigantic bank account, but to say it depresses me is a little too much.

over the years with the help of George Lucas and Hasbro I was able to journey into a world of endless possibilities and adventure and lose myself in the love a great sci-fi epic. the plastic joys of Hasbro have filled my home with memories that make even the worst days of work fade away with childhood dreams.

i think if i was to agree with the thread the only thing that depresses me is the lack of space for displaying my toys. i like many others would love to have the space to build the landscapes of Hoth, Tatoonie, the Death Star, Coruscant and others and display scenes from the Saga but do to space most of my collection is boxed up in the garage or in large plastic bins until i can get the space to display them in all their plastic glory.

Devo
08-09-2008, 05:41 PM
When you buy a toy like the BMF Falcon (does BMF stand for what I think it stands for?).

It probably stood for Big Millenium Falcon originally but it does have an obvious alternative which I think everyone is taking on instead - when they refer to BMF Falcon or BMF AT-AT. It seems to be the new term for upscaled vehicles in this line. We're all going to retroactively say the BMF TIE fighter and BMF X-wing now.

AmanaMatt
08-09-2008, 05:50 PM
I hear you all - I have similar feels as some of you, from time-to-time. While my collection does not depress me in the slightest, I am a 'neat freak' and as such, the amt of stuff seriously gets on my nerves.

One way I combat this: I figure out what items I am going to donate each year at Xmas time

I've had a collector room for many years and told myself one rule - toys cannot come out of that room - well, I have been collecting since 95 - kept all my originals when I was a kid, so I am now at the point where I need to scale back. That's a lot of stuff.

Having so much stuff makes me feel like a pack rat - not a feeling I care for.

I am currently in the process of selecting what I want to keep, etc!

It is a painful process - one that will take me some time to finish...!

Qui-Long Gone
08-09-2008, 06:28 PM
Here is a write-up (http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/4267/?id=4267&showID=1024) about it.

I think that was discussed in another thread a while back. Both of those people seemed pretty messed up. She didn't even realize the extent of his collection until they were enagaged, and then assumed that he would grow up and stop. He thought cuddling with her was boring.

That guy was a major dork....

Neuroleptic
08-09-2008, 07:51 PM
It probably stood for Big Millenium Falcon originally but it does have an obvious alternative which I think everyone is taking on instead - when they refer to BMF Falcon or BMF AT-AT. It seems to be the new term for upscaled vehicles in this line. We're all going to retroactively say the BMF TIE fighter and BMF X-wing now.

Got a question!

If we ever get a new snow speeder (wich I actualy think should be smaller than the current one . . .) would it be called the BMF snow speeder?

Devo
08-09-2008, 10:55 PM
Nah I don't think they should bother making it smaller. I'd prefer if they'd just give the most recent one accurate cockpit detail. The toy has no piloting control panel at all. Hows luke supposed to fly it.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-09-2008, 10:58 PM
Nah I don't think they should bother making it smaller. I'd prefer if they'd just give the most recent one accurate cockpit detail. The toy has no piloting control panel at all. Hows luke supposed to fly it.

He can use the Force, of course.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-09-2008, 11:01 PM
Hows luke supposed to fly it.Your "ayes" can deceive you; don't trust them. :reallylamepun:

I've always liked the snowspeeder. Underrated vehicle.

Luuuuuuke
08-10-2008, 02:54 PM
I don't think totally well adjusted, happy, socially suave people fanatically collect Star Wars figures. Not to sound too much like an amateur psychologist, but I think action figure/toy collecting as an adult is tied-- even if only a little--to some desire to fill a hole.

And I'm not excluding myself from that assesment. But I don't want to depress and or offend anyone, so I'll leave it at that.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-10-2008, 03:12 PM
Well, we've discussed quite a bit about whether we are depressed by our collections. Does anybody feel repressed or oppressed by them?

Neuroleptic
08-10-2008, 04:12 PM
Nope. But then, I limit the size of mine.

Luuuuuuke
08-10-2008, 04:38 PM
Well, we've discussed quite a bit about whether we are depressed by our collections. Does anybody feel repressed or oppressed by them?

"Oppressed" is a good word. I never thought of that, but it's sort of true. It's gotten to the point where I feel like to ride my collection, or at least some aspects of it, to the very end.

Plus, I simply don't have room for everything. A lot of my stuff is stored, which sucks. I don't see the point of buying stuff just to stack it somewhere.

And when we had an earthquake here in L.A. a couple of weeks ago, it knocked the hell out of most of the figures I had posed on a shelf. I didn't even try to pose them back at that point.

You do start letting your collection gain control of you. I met one guy here in the L.A. area who lived with his parents--who constantly complained because his room was stacked nearly to the ceiling with boxes. He actually had to built a "canyon" to his bed. Talk about being oppressed, or letting yourself be oppressed.

I can't even go to a retail store anymore without reflexively going to the action figure section.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-10-2008, 08:28 PM
I can't even go to a retail store anymore without reflexively going to the action figure section.What else would you buy there? ;)

I've been depressed, oppressed, repressed, supressed, compressed, ironed and pressed, impressed, and presto-change-oed by Star Wars.

Tycho
08-11-2008, 04:12 AM
I don't think totally well adjusted, happy, socially suave people fanatically collect Star Wars figures. Not to sound too much like an amateur psychologist, but I think action figure/toy collecting as an adult is tied-- even if only a little--to some desire to fill a hole.

And I'm not excluding myself from that assesment. But I don't want to depress and or offend anyone, so I'll leave it at that.

There's a lot of truth in this, but it's not entirely the case either.

You can normally socialize with other people, but also want relief from all the idiosyncracies of others, and find the "quiet characteristics" of your little plastic people quite relieving.

As to filling a hole? Well, that's a good way of "adjusting," if you will. Before POTF2 actually came back, I wanted to be collecting again because it was part of a simpler time in my life where I wasn't as "let down" by others (like girls I like) and I had more control over the less complicated.

cookiemonster
08-15-2008, 08:19 PM
Boy what a load of crap, if you feel opressed, surpressed, depressed or any other form of pressed, then your taking this hobby to serious and need a break, I will be honest I have never felt that any hobby has gotten on top of me, if it ever does I will walk away from it, I collect to enjoy the hobby not feel depressed by it.

I am sure most of you are married or have some form of life partner, dont mean the ones that sit alone in their basements playing with their figures, then they may be depressed but I am sure its got nothing to do with figure collecting, I am also presuming you have other interests outside of Star Wars Collecting, so saying figure collecting depresses you is totally crap, it must be other reasons in your life.

Qui-Long Gone
08-15-2008, 08:23 PM
As to filling a hole? Well, that's a good way of "adjusting," if you will. Before POTF2 actually came back, I wanted to be collecting again because it was part of a simpler time in my life where I wasn't as "let down" by others (like girls I like) and I had more control over the less complicated.


Tycho, you always sound like you could use a nice, care-free day at the beach with no cell phone, no computer, no worries and plenty of mimosa and Hooter's waitresses telling you how handsome you are! :D

Tycho
08-15-2008, 10:38 PM
Tycho, you always sound like you could use a nice, care-free day at the beach with no cell phone, no computer, no worries and plenty of mimosa and Hooter's waitresses telling you how handsome you are! :D

I prefer pina coladas or hurricanes, but yeah, that sounds about right.

My ambitions for my novel prevent me from ever wanting to separate from the internet and my cell phone though. You never know when someone will be contacting me with the greatest news I've longed to hear. I just have loads of trouble ever being able to REALLY relax. It's not really in my personality.

Yeah, maybe a day or even one week after I achieve success...

But definitely the girls. I'm not sure if they should be Hooter's girls though. Maybe if they're all mutes? That place gets on my nerves. I wish they'd change their colors. Short-shorts look nice, but that orange is NOT easy on the eyes, and their shouting "Hi! Welcome to Hooters!" every 30 seconds isn't at all easy on the ears.

I think I'd love to open a bikini bar that caters to the deaf.

Peace and quiet...

And I tend to agree with all of Cookiemonster's post.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-15-2008, 10:48 PM
I was kind of joking with the repressed and oppressed thing. Yet another Monty Python/Star Wars connection. "Help, help. I'm being repressed."

LTBasker
08-15-2008, 11:30 PM
In the past couple of years, I have had an increased depression towards the figures I've acquired from the latest lines. I can't completely explain it, as I can't really figure out exactly how I feel about it, but my first feeling is that Hasbro is making too many SW figures that it's become a matter of quantity over quality. I often look at the 30th Anniv. figures I've got, and I know I missed a few in the line, but due to the amount of figures in the line that were pretty weak, and would've skipped if I didn't feel as though I needed a full set, I get such an apathetic feeling from the sight.

I'm definitely going to be more careful this year, so far the only full set I'm concerned about is the first day sticker set, but that's because I find it interesting to have. Aside from that, however, I'm going to force myself to break away from the full set ideal. I'm only going to get the figures that I truly am interested in, and thanks to Hasbro's rereleases and increasing lack of quality, that's very few.

Ji'dai
08-16-2008, 12:07 PM
What depresses me most is the shape my vintage stuff is in. The toys I got from 1978-1983 have a lot of play wear or have broken pieces. I played with the older figures so much the paint has worn off them. The glue on the vehicle decals is dried out and the stickers are falling off. The foam chunks in my Death Star trash compactor and the foam "swamp" on my Dagobah playset have dry-rotted. The cardboard backdrops for the various facade playsets are in really poor shape.

It depresses me to see my beloved toys in this condition, so I don't display them or even like to look at them any more. But I can't bring myself to get rid of them either.

On a positive note, the toys I got from ROTJ to the end of the vintage line are still like new. The DROIDS figures are some of my favorites and I put them on display from time to time.

I think the toys being made now are some of the best in terms of overall sculpt, articulation, and aesthetic. Shame that my enthusiasm for collecting has waned at the same time overall quality has improved. I guess it would've been better to start collecting the modern line more recently rather than when it began in 1995.

Jedi_Master_Guyute
08-16-2008, 12:45 PM
I think I sometimes get iffy about all of the $$ I have put into collecting, but when it boils down to it, I don't regret it at all. I have several HUNDRED SW figures alone as well as about 98% of the Simpsons playmates line, Cult classics, etc, etc, so in total, I probably have a few thousand figures (i'm actually documenting my figures now for insurance purposes; i'll post a total when I have one). I have been selling portions of my collection off though as I don't have room for them and lately, for example, i'm tracking down all 32 unleashed figures I have as I don't have room for them, I like $$ and what am I going to do with 32 of these plastic statues i keep in the box? I like to think that when I get my own house someday, i'll display them. If that doesn't happen, well....

But despite the ridiculous amount of cash, i've put into them, i can pretty much tell you how I tracked down each one of them. Most of them harbor a great deal of hysterical and great memories collecting with friends and at times, family. I think in the next few years i'll sell off some parts of my collection, but very little SW stuff. SW is a part of my life, who i am and my mindset. Plain and simple. :thumbsup:

Neuroleptic
08-16-2008, 01:00 PM
Ji'dai, I think you'd be surprised what you can do with some of those junked out old vehicles, and even a few of the figures if you have any artistic talant.

I enjoy collecting the vintage line, but I can not afford, nor justify spending the kind of money wanted for mint in package figures, compleate loose figures, and compleate vehicles.

So, I have found that with a little creative talant, you can restore (and in the case of vehicles improve) on how they look.

There are many people on E-bay who sell replacement stickers for vehicles and figures, as well as reproduction and original parts to vehicles and weapons for figures. You can even find bubles for figures if you know how to reproduce card backs, and if you dont, you can find kits with the hard work for even that done.

If you clean up some of the vehicles, they'll look fine once you replace the stickers and find parts. I also found that with the At-At, if you use a graphite stick, you can do wonders to make it look more film accurate (I also got lucky and found stickers to the 1990's release of the AT-AT and used them instead since I didn't like the old stickers anyway).

Just pick a vehicle or a figure, and do a little work here and there until you're done. Before you know it, they won't look so sad anymore.

And if you just want to make them look better, you can use water based (acrylic) paints to re-paint the figures if you know what you're doing.

Even loose limbs can be fixed with a little super glue carefully applied to the inside of the joints. Just start turning the joints so they don't glue together, and the glue will help tighten them.

While restoration dosn't increase the value of them, it dose make them more displayable, and for me, I find it more enjoyable to collect the vintage line this way, as well as being more affordable.

Don't know what to tell you about the cardboard for the playsets or the foam though. I think those are probably lost. But if you have the bases to the playsets, they still make good display stands for loose figures.

Ando
08-18-2008, 10:45 AM
You know, when I really think about it, depressed is really the wrong word to describe how I have been feeling this summer.

I love my toys and especially my Star Wars toys.

I think mostly I have been frustrated and stressed out over collecting in general. On Saturday, as I have been doing off and on for the last year and fairly steadily for the last 6-8 weeks, I woke up around 6:15-6:30 am, gotten showered and dressed and headed out to Wal-Mart, a couple of Fred Meyer (a regional retailer that carries clothes, groceries, toys, etc.) then to a second Wal-Mart, then to Target, and then to Toys R Us, then home.

This weekend I was after just TWO things: The Wal-Mart 501st Trooper and Anakin's Modified Starfighter. I went to 2 Wal-Marts and found 2 of the 501st Troopers and 6 stores total and found ZERO of the Anakin Starfighters and it was getting really frustrating and stressful because I have been spending a lot of money of gas lately and what really gets me frustrated and stressed is not finding things that I've been reading about other people finding.

Well, I lucked out on Saturday. I met a person at TRU when I was looking for the ASMJS (I found 2 Grievous so I knew the had had them there!) who works for an independent toy store (a regular Hasbro dealer/retailer, NOT a scalper/comic shop) that specializes in Star Wars and the guy told me he had piles of the Anakin Starfighter and gave me his card.

They can also get exclusives, too. The best part? They don't charge over retail. The prices are rounded up a penny, but the starfighter was $25.00 (vs $24.99 at TRU). I know that this is a $20.00 ($19.99 at Target and WM) vehicle, but now that I literally only have to go to one store once every week or two, I can continue to collect stress free. I gave him my contact info along with a couple of upcoming items that I want and I am all set.

I am so glad that I met this guy when I did. No more WM (our 2 Portland stores SUCK) for me! I will still go to TRU and Target, but my first stop will be this tiny little toy store with lots and lots of treasures. They even have some SOTE, POTF2, AOTC, ROTS, and SAGA 2 stuff. Boxed and on the card.

PS: From what he told me, they had all their Clone Wars/Legacy Collection stuff out on the Fourth of July weekend.

Ji'dai
08-18-2008, 06:51 PM
Ji'dai, I think you'd be surprised what you can do with some of those junked out old vehicles, and even a few of the figures if you have any artistic talant. I've never attempted painting figures. Probably because I'd go nuts trying to get them perfect. Which is why it takes me so long to pick out new figures. I'm so anal about paint jobs that I can spend 30-40 minutes comparing figures in the store before buying. Sometimes I get so frustrated seeing paint problems (both real and imagined) I end up putting them all back and often walk out empty handed.

I seriously considered trying my hand at restoring my vintage die cast Micro Collection figurines a few years ago. I tried finding the original paint colors Kenner used but to no avail.

I figured that with the interest in vintage toys that people would be recreating decal sheets. I'm sure the cardboard playset backdrops can't be too far behind. The foam couldn't be that difficult to replace. Except for the trash compactor foam. I don't think I've ever seen multicolored foam.

Mad Slanted Powers
08-18-2008, 07:03 PM
Just put in real trash to make it more realistic.

Jaff
08-18-2008, 10:39 PM
As I am doing the BEST/WORST poll I am overviewing all the figs as they came out, and see thousands of dollars lost. As a boy I grew up very poor, and Star Wars was my thing. As an adult it was a passion or obsession to fulfill my collecting desires.

When POTF 2 came out I just wanted two of every figure, one to open and one to keep sealed. For years I collected every figure, and every vehicle, deluxe, 3 pack, exclusive, you name it I bought it with the exception of EU stuff. By 2001 I was really spending a fortune, and with the introduction of the Episode II figs I was really grossed out. So I sold every packaged figure. With over 100 figs I ended up getting less than $300. At that point I started looking at my collection more for display than an investment because let's face it, there are very few valuable figs from 1995 and up. Hasbro just keeps resculpting figs making older figs laughable, or they just keep repackaging figs that could be valuable later. That's why I never vote on Legends assortments and I hope to god they never repackage Ephant or other rare figs. Figs that are valuable are more appreciated. My Eeopie is really appreciated. The day they repackage that is the day it turns to be just another worthless item. In the end, I don't want to encourage Hasbro to devalue more figs.

I was one of the lucky ones, though. I didn't start building diorama's until about 2005 when the OTC and VOTC stuff came out. So most of my army builder figs are the newer, more detailed versions.

My problem with my collection is that I'm a sucker for new figs. The new R2 unit in the Hoth Recon Patrol was the only reason I bought the Battle Pack, thus I spent $20 for that fig. Even worse, in 2000 I bought the Amidalla Starship at $100 just for the droid. I don't like vehicles that are not to scale so I sold the starship. Sometimes I feel stupid for doing this and I keep saying, sooner or later I will complete the collection. Yet they keep making rehashes that replace my older figs, and I will buy figs that are improvements over other figs. I have some restraint though. I bought the Han and Luke in Stormtrooper from the comic 2-packs, and I use older fig helmets, thus I don't intend to buy the new Han and Luke from the Legacy collection.

When I look at my collection I see a new car easily, but at the same time I feel young. Since I have 4 kids it helps me to think young when I'm around them and I have a grand time with them. My wife is supportive because we can afford my collection, yet she lectures me on my Sideshow collection. She will say, how much money are those 12" figs when she points above my DVD shelves. For the record it's $2,000 in 3 years.

Space is my big issue now. I display a fourth of my collection, and only 2 vehicles at a time. Thus I have over 8 totes in the attic. I would like a large study when we find the home that's right for us, but the depressing thing is we haven't found it yet, so my figs languish in a hot attic waiting to be free.

Collecting doesn't really depress me, I'm looking forward to the next FILM wave of figures, thus it gives me something to look forward to. I am very frugal now, I only buy film stuff, which is only half of what is produced. I don't buy rehashes or repaints, and I only buy figs that improve older ones. As it stands I have spent less than $500 this year on 3 3/4 figs. Three years ago it would have been 3 to 4 times as much by this time. Next year I forsee it going down more. Within 5 years I'm hoping to be done because they will be making TV figs, Clone Wars, EU, and a bunch of other stuff that movie figures will be far and few. At least that's my hope anyways. Probably by that time I will be tired of redo figs and just say that's it. I'm already heading down that road right about now.

xavier311_max
08-19-2008, 02:16 AM
No my collection does not depress me.
I have been collecting since 1977 and have spent to this date at least $22,000 on my collection and other Star Wars related items.

Now I collected these figures as a kid but have had gaps that have lasted years at times between buying SW toys.

I took time to have fun, travel around the world, date and then meet an incredible girl that I married and now have 2 fantastic kids with that share my love for Star Wars.

I do think that if some people get into buying action figures to fill a void in there lives and lets face it, if not action figures then some would have turned to booze, drugs or some other 'vise' to manifest there feelings.

One thing that I tell people thinking about collecting is, to buy something because you like it and never because you think it will increase in value that you can turn around and sell at a later date. I have seen people spend a ton of money only to experiences self loathing when they find that figure they thought was going to increase in value is now only really worth a fraction of what they paid for.

Have I ever had buyers remorse? Not really. Because I have no problem taking a break from collecting. I know that if I miss a wave of figures today I can always buy them years from now on ebay.
And I guarantee that it won't cost that much more then it does today.

So if you ever feel overwhelmed buy your collection then maybe a break is in order and remember your SW isn't going anywhere

Mad Slanted Powers
08-19-2008, 02:53 AM
Indeed, I never really thought too much about the value of the collection. I just figured that would be an added bonus if it did happen. When I began opening up figures in large quantities, I was looking at the prices in the Brian's Toys catalog and held off on opening some of the more expensive ones, but I've since opened most of those up as well. Most of the figures that I still have carded are early POTF2, duplicates, and characters that I already have multiple versions of opened. Most of my vehicles and multi-figure packs are still boxed. There is a lot more I would open if I had the display and storage setup that I found suitable.

Qui-Long Gone
09-08-2008, 02:46 PM
Although I'm not depressed, I am bummed out....my two year-old has been rummaging through my collection so this week we had to pack it up and pack it away. I took a few loose figures to work just to keep some sense of sanity and I've given my son all my doubles (which are many), but now that everything is packed away for a while I feel so....so.....well, naked I guess. :(

My wife was actually a little bummed too because she's been the one gifting me with the figures, so she feels a little ownership of the collection too, but it's just been too much hassle trying to get my son to quit scaling my dresser to open the glass case and pull out all the figures, so we took it all down. He was actually pretty upset by that too!

Ando
09-08-2008, 02:56 PM
:(

Have you gotten him any of the Galactic Heroes sets yet?

My 3 year old nephew loves them!

Qui-Long Gone
09-08-2008, 03:23 PM
We did, but he wants to play with daddy's figures in the case, and he's not all that interested in the Galactic figs....sigh.....

**Although he'll take any Vader figure and loves the galactic vader figures. So that's good. :thumbsup:

Ando
09-08-2008, 03:28 PM
I let my nephew play with all the Jedi Star Fighters (he calls them rocketships). He likes Saesee Tiin's orange Delta 7 JSF the best.

He also likes to bring me my Ultimate Bumblebee and says "make it a guy...", "make it back to a car", "make it a guy"...

Qui-Long Gone
09-08-2008, 03:35 PM
I think it's great that the toys of our youth have remained popular with the children of our adulthood....it just goes to show how well-thought out some of these stories were, even if they were driven by an over-saturated market.

Look at what still endures: Batman, Transformers, etc.... What toys or characters today have that sort of shot at becoming such lasting icons?

Ando
09-08-2008, 04:26 PM
Favorite SW movie: Empire.

Brother in law's favorite SW movie: Empire.

His kid/my nephew's "favorite" SW movie (he's 3): Empire.

SW is the only line of toys that has been consistent at all 3 major retailers and is the only one that doesn't go on clearance after a week or two at Target.

It's just so much fun to collect that my wife gets into it, too. She knitted me a little Yoda doll and buys me stuff all the time.

Qui-Long Gone
09-08-2008, 04:29 PM
lol Ando I just read you signature line and about wet my pants....

My kids like the original trilogy better than the new ones.....I think Darth Vader always wins in those contests of who had the better characters.

Around these parts SW toys rule the aisles, even when pegwarmming.

Ando
09-08-2008, 04:47 PM
[quote=Qui-Long Gone;637629]lol Ando I just read you signature line and about wet my pants... [quote]

I have to admit, I stole that line from a deleted storyboard/animatic in the Robot Chicken Star Wars Special DVD special features section. It was the funniest thing on the deleted scene section and rivaled just about anything that made the cut on the 22 minute DVD. If you blink, you'll miss it.

bigbarada
09-08-2008, 11:16 PM
Most kids that I know who were introduced to Star Wars through the prequels still like the original trilogy better. That just adds weight to the argument that the OT are simply better films.

Tycho
09-09-2008, 04:43 AM
Most kids that I know who were introduced to Star Wars through the prequels still like the original trilogy better. That just adds weight to the argument that the OT are simply better films.

The prequels had complicated politics to understand.
Darth Maul was deliberately under-used so as to not compete with Vader's importance.
"Star WARS" did not really start until the Battle of Geonosis - the end of AOTC
Dooku was not a scary villain - albeit he was probably the MOST dangerous
Qui-Gon seemed to be the main character of TPM, and he was killed.
The bad guys win the prequels - it's supposed to be that way.
The OT plots are much more simple - easier for the unsophistocated to understand.
Han Solo is just plain COOL! You didn't want to copy his character for the PT, but he benefits the OT.

I'm sure there's plenty more, but these are the basics I thought of first.


I think it's great that the toys of our youth have remained popular with the children of our adulthood....it just goes to show how well-thought out some of these stories were, even if they were driven by an over-saturated market.

Look at what still endures: Batman, Transformers, etc.... What toys or characters today have that sort of shot at becoming such lasting icons?

While Iron Man might not be as new as yesterday, if they run a compelling toy line (moreso than it's been thus far), they could take it to the next level. But superhero lines are harder to sell, as you don't typically have an army of characters. It's a more personal story between a smaller cast.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are still 80's, I guess.

I think the girls' line's High School Musical and Hannah Montana might endure. They could take off in a cartoon direction as Miley Cyrus or Ashley Tisdale grow up.

bigbarada
09-09-2008, 03:05 PM
The prequels had complicated politics to understand.
Darth Maul was deliberately under-used so as to not compete with Vader's importance.
"Star WARS" did not really start until the Battle of Geonosis - the end of AOTC
Dooku was not a scary villain - albeit he was probably the MOST dangerous
Qui-Gon seemed to be the main character of TPM, and he was killed.
The bad guys win the prequels - it's supposed to be that way.
The OT plots are much more simple - easier for the unsophistocated to understand.
Han Solo is just plain COOL! You didn't want to copy his character for the PT, but he benefits the OT.

I'm sure there's plenty more, but these are the basics I thought of first.


I was actually going to say that the OT had a much clearer delineation between good and evil. I think that's why they resonated with audiences better.

Qui-Long Gone
09-09-2008, 03:39 PM
I think the theme of friendship made the OT better than episodes 1-3. TPM attempted this formula, but Obi wasn't too interested in people ("pathetic lifeforms as he called 'em"), Jar Jar turned off everyone, Qui's death/becoming a spirit never was resolved the way Obi's was in 4-6, and the Jedi were pricks....seriously, they were snobs and you couldn't help but root for their demise in ROTS.

With the OT, you could run around the backyard with your friends and everyone could be somebody important, Chewie, Luke, Solo, Lando, Leia, etc.....with the NT, only Anakin and Obi had a "friendship," but even that wasn't compelling until their fight on Mustafar.....

Tycho
09-10-2008, 02:01 AM
I'll agree that the OT had a clearer picture of who was good and who was evil, but that stays in line with what I was saying: the PT is more complicated. Good and evil are not always that simple of concepts. Anakin always thought he was doing everything for good reasons: ridding the sands of Tusken Raiders, saving Padme, stopping galactic civil war and bringing about a New Order.

Darth Vader thinks he is the good guy - he even explains that to Obi-Wan during their duel on Mustafar. He sees the Jedi as dispassionately maintaining the status quo and he is the new black guy, acting as the agent of change. :D

cookiemonster
09-10-2008, 10:54 AM
I will sum up the Prequel Movies in one word, oh I forgot this is a kid friendly site so I will use another word "Crap" - Its the same meaning.

Now the Clone Wars, the original Cartoon and the New Movie/TV Series now this is the Prequel stuff that should have been made in the first place, this harkens back to the OT, with all the adventure and excitement.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-10-2008, 06:22 PM
I will sum up the Prequel Movies in one word, oh I forgot this is a kid friendly site so I will use another word "Crap" - Its the same meaning.

Now the Clone Wars, the original Cartoon and the New Movie/TV Series now this is the Prequel stuff that should have been made in the first place, this harkens back to the OT, with all the adventure and excitement.Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.

bigbarada
09-10-2008, 09:32 PM
He sees the Jedi as dispassionately maintaining the status quo and he is the new black guy, acting as the agent of change. :D

There's a lot of truth there :D which is why I like that hot, young female Jedi from the Hoth system who seems to have popped in out of nowhere.;)

cookiemonster
09-10-2008, 10:36 PM
Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things.

Good Job I aint a Jedi then, lol. I much prefer to be a Scoundrel.:thumbsup:

TheCivilCollector
09-10-2008, 11:47 PM
At last count, I had around 700 figures, all neatly packed away in a single tupperware storage bin. I've also got another two storage bins of vehicles.

I'm an opener, so storage doesn't really require much.

I'm pretty much out of collecting. Once in awhile if I'm in a store and see something really interesting I'll get it, but I don't "hunt" at all like I used to.

Truth is, I think I pretty much outgrew it. After being mostly let down with the prequels and now "Clone Wars", I just don't have the passion for it. Add to that repaying student loans and you have the formula for not dropping cash on new collectibles. I don't even buy Transformers anymore(my other collecting vice).

Someday I'll either put most of my collection in display cases or make my kid really happy when I bust out the treasure trove of toys and say with a smile, "here you go".

waboritas
09-12-2008, 04:08 PM
Just spent a good chunk of time reading this from start to finish. Lots of interesting points. Collect because it brings you enjoyment - not for money/investment, to have more than the next guy, to have 501 501st Clone Troopers. I would say the majority of us did it for fun as kids, that is why I do it now. Last year I bought everything I wanted and spent a lot of $$$. This year I did not buy anything until June - picked up the Naboo and Hoth GH Cinema Scenes and last month used a 20% off coupon to get the BMF, The Geonosis GH and Jedi Starfighter Cinema Scenes. I'd like to get the AT-TE, but we'll see.

I started collecting again in '96, like many of you to replace the collection I jammed into the Milenium Falcon and sold for $10 at a yard sale in 1986 when Star Wars wasn't "cool" anymore. It was fun and there were much better sculpts (albeit on HGH or PGH - Plastic Growth Hormones) and more figures available than before, albeit they pale in comparison to what is on the shelves now. I hoped to one day have a son, who I could enjoy them with at some point - be it playing with them, building dioramas ala model railroading, etc. I was blessed to have that son last year and gave him the GH Jedi Starfighter CS a couple weeks ago. At 18 months, he is fascinated by the bomb dropping feature and pushes it along the floor. When we move into our new home next month, he will go from a Winnie the Pooh themed Room (which he had in his old house) to Star Wars themed room. I am really looking forward to decorating it for him.

I like many of you have boxes of stuff that I have bought over the last 12 years in closets and atics near and far. Other than a select few items, my plan is for this stuff to be used for what it was meant - to play with. I hope it brings him the joy it brought me from 1979 to 1985 as a child of the 80s.

I will continue to support this line and franchise, but will be selective.

PS: I do not sit in my basement and play with my toys, I'm happily married with child, owned a home which I sold and am in the process of buying the 4 bedroom, 3 car garage house mentioned here. I'm a regular guy who drinks good beer and tequila, would rather be hanging with my friends watching football or tailgating at a Pats game (which I've had season tickets for 15 years- my other hobby and passion) than going searching for the prized 3 & 3/4" plastic characters - but I love the hunt too, ****ing off said wife when a package comes in the mail and coming up with new places to hide my latest score to ensure I get some as opposed to getting yelled at.......

Tycho
09-13-2008, 05:43 PM
I don't know why wives / girlfriends begrudge some of you guys your hobbies - except perhaps due to the scarce resources principle - that which is namely money in this case.

When I was younger, I used to fantasize about finding the right girl, leaving my own dysfunctional family, and starting a new life all over which I began with the girl who'd be my "soul-mate."

Now, I no longer believe in that. I need to add that I will not have kids, either. Primarily, because there's a 50% chance (if I live) that I will see them develop the same kidney disease I have, and suffer a brain aneurysm, and die young, or continue to live disabled - possibly seriously disabled. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and will not be the cause of it to my own children. After that fact, I need no stress, and lots of peace and silence. Living alone, I totally control my own home environment - no noise from the TV or stereo unless I'm playing with it, and the air conditioning set to my own preference / tolerance levels. I don't even answer the phone when I don't want to be disturbed. And I sleep and wake up mostly all on my own schedule. I don't think I'd want to adjust to anything new. YES, it is lonely. But that's a small price to pay. I have been lucky to have lots of friends I can call on - or post to on the boards here.

Without a family, buying a large house might seem excessive, but it's my plan TO STAY A CHILD in a sense - and set up my Star Wars collection like model railroad enthusiasts build their train sets. Only I'll space my Star Wars stuff out all over a large house - so that no one room is over-crowded or over-whelming. "Less is more," is hard to imagine being a philosophy I'd adhere to taking into account the size of the collection I have. But if it's spread out, and you're standing in ONE room at a time, it could look that way. That's why I need the large house.

I may be depressed by my collection until I get that large house and can inventory everything. There just isn't the space in my storage facilities (yup - it takes more than 1 storage to contain my collection! :rolleyes: )

But while I hope to have my health restored and get back to some of the things like jet skiing which I used to really enjoy, I also still hope to have some worthwhile relationship with a new girlfriend. But that's just the thing: I wouldn't trade her - and whatever interests she has in USING me - for the enjoyment I get out of my collection.

A girl can try and kiss up to me, but what else does she get besides this Star Wars nerd? A very nice and very free place to live; new cars as she needs them; not having to ever work; travel vacations; her shopping bills paid - wait a minute. I'm not stupid. Yes, I wait for the most attractive girl to make me even notice - but how long will that last? A lot less time than I'll pay alimony (if she doesn't figure I'll die sooner than later and leave her an Anna Nicole Smith estate).

If I can fight off my own lonliness, I have no need for a family. I mean does anybody honestly see a case here? A great girl that wants an exciting as well as reliable friend for a while is all I really need. I'm not trapping myself in other family-situations that can also depress me. So if I can set up my collection - my hobby that I like - it should never depress me.

As additions to this collection become less and less frequent (I've no need for a Captain Antilles from SideShow, and will not buy any of Hasbro's Clone Wars animated-style figures) I won't be depressed that I'm not ranging the toy stores any more.

In fact, I visited Wal-Mart, Target, and Toys R Us yesterday, just for the heck of it (partially hoping I would get the Rebel Pilots Evolutions #2) but I saw nothing else that I wanted to buy. And I left, happy that I was SO CONTENT - and not dependent on buying myself something - anything - to try and make myself feel better. Sure the Transformers Animated looks kind of fun and I spend time admiring each one when I'm in the store (T-Universe Silverbolt as well), but I'm not going to buy them.

I'm not depressed about that. I'm rather happy about it instead.

Qui-Long Gone
09-18-2008, 04:34 PM
Tycho, I've said it before. You deserve to enjoy a day on the beach with two hot blonds and unlimited mimosa. Preferably a beach not near Houston during hurricane weather....and preferable blond women named either Greta, Busty, Honey, or ***** Galore....:razz:

Obsession is Nute
09-20-2008, 11:16 PM
Looks like there is a wide range of expierences guys (no offense female collectors, but we must generalize for a moment) have in their collecting habit with their girlfriends, fiancees, and wives.

To the men out there who have wives that understand and even try to support collecting, you are very lucky and I hope you treat your women right.

For me, if I get into a serious relationship (like marriage), there will have to be a very, very serious conversation on Star Wars. I don't like giving ulitmatums, but it important to set ground rules in all relationships.

1.) I NEED to turn a bedroom or a study room into my Star Wars display room/collecting museum. If we have more kids than available rooms, we either get a new house or start shopping for bunk beds. In turn, SW will be confined to that room and you can decorate the rest of the house, the landscaping, whatever to suit YOUR tastes (I think this is a fair tradeoff).

2.) We are not going to ever discuss placing fixed dollar amount budgetary boundaries on my collecting. I will try my best to consider the needs of the family, but as the person who spends 40+ hours a week making the money to support the family, I am entitled to enjoy a small portion (a couple hundred dollars, at most, unless it is a midnight maddness event) of my income on collecting.

3.) NEVER try and make me choose between you and SW. While I want to spend the rest of my life with you, SW has a (current) 13 year relationship edge on you...so you might not like my choice...

In the end, if you love someone, and they have a hobby or obsession that you do not understand, you should try your best to just let them enjoy it.

I know some people might think "Dude, you are NEVER going to get married if you approach it like that." Well, lets flip this on the ladies and what they sterotypically like.

How would women like it if men demmanded that they rarely go shopping, and when they DID come home with a pair of shoes, a new purse, or some clothes, we gave them the evil eye and lectured them on how "you don't really need that."? At best we would be considered assholes, at worst it would be considered emotional abuse.

Equality and fairness, that is all I ask.

Obsession is Nute
09-20-2008, 11:24 PM
Oh, and keeping in line with the thread topic, NO! My collection never makes me feel depressed. I get nothing but pure joy and excitement from collecting/mycollection. I shudder to think what I would be like without that little joy in my life.

I do feel overwhelmed, somtimes, by the sheer magnitude of things I have collected, and when I do get my Star Wars room, I am probably not going to enjoy completely dusting it every other week.

I do feel a great deal of anxiety on the security of my collection. I really want to insure it. I did a full inventory of my collection and came up with a total cost of $13,200.00. In my state, with a central alarm system, I would have to pay $78.00 a month for full insurance. That is pretty steep considering there are some months where I don't even spend that much on collecting!

Cleaning and security are the only things that depress me. That and the idea that one day, one day that will hopefully never come, I may have nothing left to collect. Nothing new will be produced in the franchise. Now THAT depresses me!

Neuroleptic
09-20-2008, 11:29 PM
Looks like there is a wide range of expierences guys (no offense female collectors, but we must generalize for a moment) have in their collecting habit with their girlfriends, fiancees, and wives.

To the men out there who have wives that understand and even try to support collecting, you are very lucky and I hope you treat your women right.

For me, if I get into a serious relationship (like marriage), there will have to be a very, very serious conversation on Star Wars. I don't like giving ulitmatums, but it important to set ground rules in all relationships.

1.) I NEED to turn a bedroom or a study room into my Star Wars display room/collecting museum. If we have more kids than available rooms, we either get a new house or start shopping for bunk beds. In turn, SW will be confined to that room and you can decorate the rest of the house, the landscaping, whatever to suit YOUR tastes (I think this is a fair tradeoff).

2.) We are not going to ever discuss placing fixed dollar amount budgetary boundaries on my collecting. I will try my best to consider the needs of the family, but as the person who spends 40+ hours a week making the money to support the family, I am entitled to enjoy a small portion (a couple hundred dollars, at most, unless it is a midnight maddness event) of my income on collecting.

3.) NEVER try and make me choose between you and SW. While I want to spend the rest of my life with you, SW has a (current) 13 year relationship edge on you...so you might not like my choice...

In the end, if you love someone, and they have a hobby or obsession that you do not understand, you should try your best to just let them enjoy it.

I know some people might think "Dude, you are NEVER going to get married if you approach it like that." Well, lets flip this on the ladies and what they sterotypically like.

How would women like it if men demmanded that they rarely go shopping, and when they DID come home with a pair of shoes, a new purse, or some clothes, we gave them the evil eye and lectured them on how "you don't really need that."? At best we would be considered assholes, at worst it would be considered emotional abuse.

Equality and fairness, that is all I ask.

:D Yep, quoting the whole shooting match here. Go ahead guys, take a moment and re-read it. Especialy if you're married. It's a hoot! I darn near fell out of my chair laughing.

In todays world, most familys (At least in the U.S.) both the husband and wife work. Thus, if you are spending money on your collection, chances are you may also be spending her money as well.

Budgitary controll (especialy during hard times such as a recession) when you are starting a family is important. Sometimes, that means scailing back your collecting habbits. As with all things, a relationship is a two way street, and that probably means SHE has to scale HER spending back too.

I'll leave the rest for someone else to comment on.

bigbarada
09-20-2008, 11:38 PM
:D Yep, quoting the whole shooting match here. Go ahead guys, take a moment and re-read it. Especialy if you're married. It's a hoot! I darn near fell out of my chair laughing.

I'm not even married and I cracked up laughing! lol

Let's just say that women have a way of getting their hooks into you and "convincing" you to see things their way.:)

Mad Slanted Powers
09-20-2008, 11:57 PM
I think that before you make a major commitment like marriage, you need to know what you are getting into. Objections and concerns should be addressed before marriage. Once married, you have made a commitment to each other. As much as we like our Star Wars collections, if necessary, it is more important to put the needs of family first. On the other hand, she shouldn't be resentful or critical of your collection. Luckily, I don't have to worry about any of that as I am single.

plasticfetish
09-21-2008, 12:21 AM
I know some people might think "Dude, you are NEVER going to get married if you approach it like that."No... uh... no, none of us thought that at all. Nope... not one of us. ;)

TheCivilCollector
09-21-2008, 02:19 AM
Equality and fairness, that is all I ask.

To be fair, what you said sounded a lot like "My way or the highway".

Honestly, I think anyone that has a family should rethink anything that is frivolous in their lives if it can't be shared WITH their family.

It's like those guys that spend thousands of dollars and too much time on their golf game. It's all pretty selfish, no matter HOW much you justify it. Especially if it's a stretch financially. I can't help but think that if I had a family, that $200 a month would go a long way making sure my kids had a college fund.

Obviously, if it's a hobby shared by a father and son (or whomever), it's a different story.

Tycho
09-21-2008, 02:33 AM
WHY would you ever want to get married?

Nute, it sounds like YOU are more important than any hypothetical children you may have.

I sincerely think that if a person is ready to be a parent, it is at a point in their life where their children will forever be more important than they are.

Your kids are the first people you would never hesitate to take a bullet for - let alone give up rooms for YOUR toys :rolleyes:

Do NOT become a parent until your attitude changes. No one says you have to become a parent either. Nevermind whatever YOUR parents say (that they want to be grandparents to watch a baby torture YOU). It's your life. They gave up theirs to raise you. That does not mean you have to give up your life to please them.

If you sincerely want kids, then you'll know when you're ready because your attitude will change on this subject matter.

Next, you don't have to be married in order to have kids. You can adopt or win the custody battle (later - after your ex is done nursing of course - and then YOU get the child support payments by the way - see Kevin Federline for more information).

When you're not married, you can have your parents baby-sit for any evening you use your own money you earn, that you're free to spend however you want, bringing your regular escort girl over for the evening. You know: the one who's 10 years younger and prettier than your wife would be those 10 years after marriage. Then 20 years, 30 years, etc. as you replace the working girls and make more money yourself - also enabling you to set aside more for your kids since you don't owe a wife anything. (NOTE - this is only if your heart is set on being a parent or you have a condom-accident).

Meanwhile, remember, a wife can be replaced by a call-girl, a maid, a cook, and a nurse. And you won't even need all of those seven days a week most likely.

And yes, I realize that these service-girls can't replace a mother for your children. Choose carefully if you're going down that road.

On the off-hand that you dream of a partnership in matrimony, you again must remember who you're deciding you'd take a bullet for. I used to dream I'd find this girl. If I ever do, you guys can laugh at me for my former attitude and I'll be too happy with my girl to really care. But I'm confident that I'd win this bet when things work out predictably MY WAY. And for the rest of you: should I collect my money outside of your divorce court? At any rate, if a girl wants to marry you, she should know the real you. And if you need a room for your toys - she's got to love the man who needs a room for his toys - and let him have it.

Me? I need the whole house for my toys - and there's no "she" that's going to move in and change anything, Darn-it!

Just because there hasn't been a long line of girls in your life that put-out for you, doesn't mean you have to promise everything to keep around the unfortunate one who is actually crazy enough to give it up to YOU.

Yeah, you think that if she leaves, you'll never have sex again. WRONG. As you get older, you'll be attractive just for whatever other successes you achieve in life - especially buying your own home and earning more and more money if you manage your career right. Women will come along and "do things" for you and you can PLAY each one so they think that they're going to marry you. Hah! If you stay unattached, you can move on when you're through with the current one. And if it's really right, you can breed with someone if you absolutely have to create little copy-critters to become a huge lifelong extra expenditure. But like I said: be ready for that and plan on it. Then get custody. Give her visitation rights, and they'll have a mother. Then if you move on to another girl, your children can even have half-brothers and half-sisters (and you can have less than half your income of course).

But human relationships and socially conventional behavior is retarded. "Because that's the way it's always been done" is a retarded reason. Your life is a gift. Take it for yourself, or be really careful about when you make a decision to give it away. Because seriously, if I were ready to take a bullet for my child, I sure as heck would take my freetime and give it up to coach my kid's team, or study with them to help them do well in school, and take them to museums and the library to see how everything's relevant. While I'd raise my children according to "The Next Covenant" (I'm adding a new book to the Bible for my next writing project in case I hadn't announced it before. I am now wondering if I am the Messiah. But that's for another post...) I think I'd also make a darn great parent. My kids would be the greatest porn stars turned politicians...and my new family and followers will all help me reshape this country - and then the world!

Blue2th
09-21-2008, 02:38 AM
Looks like there is a wide range of expierences guys (no offense female collectors, but we must generalize for a moment) have in their collecting habit with their girlfriends, fiancees, and wives.

To the men out there who have wives that understand and even try to support collecting, you are very lucky and I hope you treat your women right.

For me, if I get into a serious relationship (like marriage), there will have to be a very, very serious conversation on Star Wars. I don't like giving ulitmatums, but it important to set ground rules in all relationships.

1.) I NEED to turn a bedroom or a study room into my Star Wars display room/collecting museum. If we have more kids than available rooms, we either get a new house or start shopping for bunk beds. In turn, SW will be confined to that room and you can decorate the rest of the house, the landscaping, whatever to suit YOUR tastes (I think this is a fair tradeoff).

2.) We are not going to ever discuss placing fixed dollar amount budgetary boundaries on my collecting. I will try my best to consider the needs of the family, but as the person who spends 40+ hours a week making the money to support the family, I am entitled to enjoy a small portion (a couple hundred dollars, at most, unless it is a midnight maddness event) of my income on collecting.

3.) NEVER try and make me choose between you and SW. While I want to spend the rest of my life with you, SW has a (current) 13 year relationship edge on you...so you might not like my choice...

In the end, if you love someone, and they have a hobby or obsession that you do not understand, you should try your best to just let them enjoy it.

I know some people might think "Dude, you are NEVER going to get married if you approach it like that." Well, lets flip this on the ladies and what they sterotypically like.

How would women like it if men demmanded that they rarely go shopping, and when they DID come home with a pair of shoes, a new purse, or some clothes, we gave them the evil eye and lectured them on how "you don't really need that."? At best we would be considered assholes, at worst it would be considered emotional abuse.

Equality and fairness, that is all I ask.
I tend to agree with you on most of this. Women like to collect things too.
Heck you could be a typical manly man, spend all your money on beer. during the season she can become a football widow.
More women are beat during the Superbowl than any other time of the year.
You could get sick of her nagging and spend all your money at the strip club after work.
But then those things are considered normal. It's just too weird to have a boyfriend or husband that collects Star Wars.

DarkArtist
09-21-2008, 09:05 AM
Looks like there is a wide range of expierences guys (no offense female collectors, but we must generalize for a moment) have in their collecting habit with their girlfriends, fiancees, and wives.

To the men out there who have wives that understand and even try to support collecting, you are very lucky and I hope you treat your women right.

For me, if I get into a serious relationship (like marriage), there will have to be a very, very serious conversation on Star Wars. I don't like giving ulitmatums, but it important to set ground rules in all relationships.

1.) I NEED to turn a bedroom or a study room into my Star Wars display room/collecting museum. If we have more kids than available rooms, we either get a new house or start shopping for bunk beds. In turn, SW will be confined to that room and you can decorate the rest of the house, the landscaping, whatever to suit YOUR tastes (I think this is a fair tradeoff).

2.) We are not going to ever discuss placing fixed dollar amount budgetary boundaries on my collecting. I will try my best to consider the needs of the family, but as the person who spends 40+ hours a week making the money to support the family, I am entitled to enjoy a small portion (a couple hundred dollars, at most, unless it is a midnight maddness event) of my income on collecting.

3.) NEVER try and make me choose between you and SW. While I want to spend the rest of my life with you, SW has a (current) 13 year relationship edge on you...so you might not like my choice...

In the end, if you love someone, and they have a hobby or obsession that you do not understand, you should try your best to just let them enjoy it.

I know some people might think "Dude, you are NEVER going to get married if you approach it like that." Well, lets flip this on the ladies and what they sterotypically like.

How would women like it if men demmanded that they rarely go shopping, and when they DID come home with a pair of shoes, a new purse, or some clothes, we gave them the evil eye and lectured them on how "you don't really need that."? At best we would be considered assholes, at worst it would be considered emotional abuse.

Equality and fairness, that is all I ask.


I have to say... I read this out loud to my wife who hasn't stopped laughing since. Family always, ALWAYS has to come first over collecting. I mean my wife and I are hopefully expecting our first child, will find out on Thrusday, and yes even though I collect Star Wars and have to have at least 1 of every figure made (Not all the variations, repaints etc) I'm ready to put aside most of the collecting and space issues for family.

I will say all relationships should be open and communication is important for a successful relationship/marriage but to lay down ground rules as outlined in your post is asking for everything you want and saying forget what everyone else needs. I think you need to seriously rethink your post.

Neuroleptic
09-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Oh, and keeping in line with the thread topic, NO! My collection never makes me feel depressed. I get nothing but pure joy and excitement from collecting/mycollection. I shudder to think what I would be like without that little joy in my life.

I do feel overwhelmed, somtimes, by the sheer magnitude of things I have collected, and when I do get my Star Wars room, I am probably not going to enjoy completely dusting it every other week.

I do feel a great deal of anxiety on the security of my collection. I really want to insure it. I did a full inventory of my collection and came up with a total cost of $13,200.00. In my state, with a central alarm system, I would have to pay $78.00 a month for full insurance. That is pretty steep considering there are some months where I don't even spend that much on collecting!

Cleaning and security are the only things that depress me. That and the idea that one day, one day that will hopefully never come, I may have nothing left to collect. Nothing new will be produced in the franchise. Now THAT depresses me!

One other thing. Whatever you paied for your collection on the store shelves, I promise you the vast majority of it has gone down in value by as much as seventy five percent if not more. Your insurance costs will probably not be anywere near as high as you think they would be.

bobafrett
09-21-2008, 08:35 PM
:D Yep, quoting the whole shooting match here. Go ahead guys, take a moment and re-read it. Especialy if you're married. It's a hoot! I darn near fell out of my chair laughing.

In todays world, most familys (At least in the U.S.) both the husband and wife work. Thus, if you are spending money on your collection, chances are you may also be spending her money as well.

Budgitary controll (especialy during hard times such as a recession) when you are starting a family is important. Sometimes, that means scailing back your collecting habbits. As with all things, a relationship is a two way street, and that probably means SHE has to scale HER spending back too.

I'll leave the rest for someone else to comment on.

I've cut way back on my collecting. It has been rough the last year and a half, not only because I'm married, and have other things to think about, but also the pizza delivery job I work at, changed hands/owners/taste and thus many people don't like it, and our business lost a lot of old regular customers. I had nine deliveries this past Saturday night, and I was the only driver. The old pizza place I would have 12 to 15 deliveries on a Saturday night, and we had a second driver who would take another 10 or so. Point being, I don't make the money I used to, add to that the rising gas costs, I don't even like to go out shopping anymore. If I pick up anything these days, it's just a figure here or there. I also like to take my wife out for dinner sometimes, nothing fancy mind you, but just for us to have a little time out together.

cookiemonster
09-21-2008, 11:31 PM
Guys family has to come first, I dont care what family it is, family has to come first.

My wife hates Star Wars because I bored her with it, that doesnt mean she wont get me the figures I want, or let me spend money on them when we have it, hell when we move to the new house we are hoping to get in 2 years time, she already has told me I am getting one room for my Star Wars junk as she calls it, which is fine by me.

I have a good woman and she always will come first, I have wonderful kids (all are four footed, but thats a decision we made together we dont want babys) and these also come first - I have just recently spent 2,000 dollars on vet bills for my beagle, and I dont begrudge him the money, did it mean I had to slow down collecting my Star Wars Items, yes it did, did it bother me, no it didnt.

At the end of the day Star Wars is a Hobby, I collect toys, if asked to give them up tomorrow I could easily do it, as I have done it in the past.

Obsession is Nute
09-21-2008, 11:43 PM
What I am trying to say is that when something is really important to someone, part of what brings joy into their life, shouldn't your partner respect that and try to work with it and not treat it like a child's distraction.

Perhaps the situation would be not so comical if the matter was religion/faith, hunting, a certain career path, whatever may be the issue in contention. It is not a one way street, either. I do not expect more than I am capable in giving.

My current girlfriend is very cool with my love of Star Wars, she does not care for the franchise, or Sci-Fi, or collecting for that matter, but she respects my passion, as I respect hers. She is a Randian objectivist that loves to read and loves to write. I know when she says she wants to spend the weekend in her bed, reading, she means that is what she would rather do, and I want her to enjoy it. We are very close, but not at the point of joint checking accounts, but we work well. We are both very defensive about control over our own lives, but do not seek control over the other. We appreciate each other because we have both had relationships where our ex's appeared to understand our lifestyles, at first, but increasingly wanted to become the center of the universe and the executive of the relationship.

Perhaps my last post was a little too insistant. I just got done AIMing with an ex who I thought I was on good terms with, and we ended up argueing over the our final fight. She wanted to take an expensive trip to Miami for our first anniversary (I would be paying for this, her entire salary went directly to student loans, her car, and apartment). I have good credit and no debt and hate to travel. I told her no, I was not going to pay for that, we could do something nice in the state. She got very passive aggressive and said If I would spend less on Star Wars we could do fun things together. That pretty much crossed the line and it was over. I do not think we were really compatible, but we seemed to be corgal enough when we ran into each other. Anyways, we got into the same fight and I came to vent in the forum. Probably not a wise idea.

bigbarada
09-22-2008, 12:29 AM
What I am trying to say is that when something is really important to someone, part of what brings joy into their life, shouldn't your partner respect that and try to work with it and not treat it like a child's distraction.

I just think that for a marriage to work, the two partners need to put their spouse first. Before themselves and before their hobbies. If you are not ready for that level of commitment, then you're just not ready for marriage.

Which is not a horrible thing, I'm not married because I tend to be a solitary person and my brief periods of loneliness aren't enough to make me want to give up my independence just yet. In order for married life to work for me, I would have to WANT to give up my independence. I don't want to do that just yet, so it would be unfair for me to drag a woman into a marriage if I'm not fully committed to her.

As for Star Wars, I wouldn't necessarily say that it brings joy into my life, but it is a fun little diversion. However, it is one that I would be fully willing to give up for a family whenever I'm ready to have a family. When all is said and done, they're just little bits of cheap, sculpted plastic and in no way comparable in value to a human being.

Ando
09-22-2008, 10:46 AM
My wife and I have been very blessed with good paying jobs and more importantly, we're blessed to have each other.

She's very understanding and supportive of my hobby and doesn't give me grief about my collection. We both get a set amount of spending money to call our own each month and that money is ours to do with as we please. She spends hers on clothes and gifts for me and I spend mine on Star Wars and gifts for her.

To anyone out there who is engaged, dating, or getting married soon, I would suggest a similar system. Before I got married, I suggested this to my wife, explaining that with our own allowance, we could purchase Christmas and Birthday gifts in secrecy and also have some money for our own independent interests and still have a joint account for household expenses and bills and savings.

It's worked very well. And I am in sales, so when I have a REALLY good month, I take the difference between what we budgeted and what I made and split it with her like a bonus. Except for last month, I gave her the whole amount so she could buy herself a camera she'd been saving for.

If you meet the right person, these compromises and give and takes aren't hard.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-22-2008, 06:30 PM
Ando's system sounds good. I always figured that if I was ever married, we'd each have our own account and we would also have a joint account. We'd each contribute a certain amount a month to the joint account and we could do what we want with the rest. It wouldn't necessarily be equal contributions, but equal percentage of income perhaps. It wouldn't be fair to contribute the same amount if one of us made a lot more than the other. Of course, some months might have more expenses than usual, so adjustments would have to be made.

Ando
09-22-2008, 06:47 PM
Ando's system sounds good. I always figured that if I was ever married, we'd each have our own account and we would also have a joint account. We'd each contribute a certain amount a month to the joint account and we could do what we want with the rest. It wouldn't necessarily be equal contributions, but equal percentage of income perhaps. It wouldn't be fair to contribute the same amount if one of us made a lot more than the other. Of course, some months might have more expenses than usual, so adjustments would have to be made.

I happen to make twice as much as my wife, but we both get an equal amount of discretionary spending money each month. We both deposit our checks into the same account and have automatic transfers into our own accounts at set points in the month depending on when either of us get paid.

For us, it just works better this way. Some months are better than others in terms of my sales commission, and I claim husband's perogative and share the extra with my wife 50/50, or give her all/most it one month and take the bulk of it the next like we did last month and this month. I actually took $100.00 of it and deposited it directly into her personal checking account as a surprise for her. (I got the number when I was shredding old checks of hers and kept one so I could do this for her every once in a while...).

I never lord it over here that I make more and would rather contribute to the good of the union and save up/pay down debts. We're married, so whatever "we" make, goes toward joint expenses/bills, etc. And because marriage is a 50/50 partnership, that's how we have chosen to do out allowance budget as well.

I hope anyone reading this gives our system a try. It's very equitable and fair and keeps me in check on the collecting and allows me to go Christmas/gift shopping on the QT without her asking what I bought for $XXX.XX at such and such store.

Being married is awesome and I really lucked out with my wife, but I wouldn't have done it if my wife hadn't agreed to keeping our own personal accounts.

bobafrett
09-22-2008, 09:50 PM
For now, both my wife and I have seperate checking accounts. I pay the rent and all the utility bills, my wife gives me $100 each Friday and buys the groceries for the family, and pays her own car and auto insurance. We opened a joint savings account to deposit all of our wedding money in, and since then she has taken $400, for some bill, another $320 for car repairs, and $50 to lend her sister for gas. She gave me a schedule of which she was going to follow to repay the amounts borrowed and I have yet to see a payment put in there. I don't make a big deal out of it, because I don't want money to start a fight, but I am ticked off that she doesn't or hasn't bothered to put anything back, we are losing interest on that money. That's why I am glad I didn't go about getting a joint checking account. I would rather not think that I have enough money to pay a bill only to find out she has spent it on food or other such stuff. I have a hard enough time keeping my checking account records up to date as it is working some days from 7 am until 10 pm. If and only if I have a little extra cash in my account, will I buy a figure or two.

Obsession is Nute
09-22-2008, 11:40 PM
Your system seems very practical Ando. As someone who has never been married, I never even thought about little things like trying keeping gifts to each other a secret when you have joint accounts.

Tycho
09-23-2008, 01:36 AM
That sounds like you're being very smart BobaFrett. I wish you the best for yourself and your marriage.

If I married, I could never do joint accounts myself. That's too much of a "prize" for a girl to get access to my accounts in the first place. (Besides, it's unlikely she could ever track them all down anyway.) So maybe I should never get married if I'll never trust anyone else. That has nothing to do with the fact that I can be very generous. But for those of you who are married, a girl should never ask for joint account access unless there's a really good reason - and there really is not one. So then you have to ask, who or WHAT does she really love? I learned not to care - as long as I don't give her access but she's still showing up in bed at night. Then again, you all know me to be such a romantic. :rolleyes:

Ando
09-23-2008, 10:04 AM
If I married, I could never do joint accounts myself. That's too much of a "prize" for a girl to get access to my accounts in the first place... But for those of you who are married, a girl should never ask for joint account access unless there's a really good reason - and there really is not one. So then you have to ask, who or WHAT does she really love?

Tycho, I am not privy to your financial situation, but I am going to assume you're well off and financially independent. In your case, I would suggest a prenup? I know you've said marriage isn't for you, so more power to you!

But for the other single guys who aren't in relationships, when you meet the right woman and want to marry, you don't actually have to worry about things like that. I ended a relationship 4-5 years ago with a woman I *WAS* worried about being greedy. She had very possessive attitudes about money (mine AND hers). She made little comments here and there (whether she was joking or not, I am unsure...) about finances (my money is going to be hers anyways, so don't spend it all). She said "This will make a nice starter ring" the day after I proposed(regarding the 1+ carat/platinum ring I gave her). In front of her friend! I told her she'd make a good "starter wife". That dropped her jaw.

The relationship went downhill after the engagement when all we did was fight over the phone (LDR).

But I broke up with her and swore of relationships until I met my current wife who is nothing but trustworthy when it comes to money.

My wife is actually the reason I started collecting again after a dormant period. She got me the Build Your Own Lightsaber kit from Hasbro and the Clone/Stormtrooper Evolution set for our first Christmas as a couple in 2005. She's encouraged and nurtured my inner child and loves me for who I am.

Just something to think about, but you CAN marry the right person and it won't be an uphill battle with fights about money and whatnot. It can be fun and rewarding. I've been really blessed, so I hope that you guys are/will be, too.

Tycho
09-23-2008, 10:29 PM
I still don't "get" why people get married.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-24-2008, 12:28 AM
I still don't "get" why people get married.

Many reasons. Love, friendship, companionship, someone to start a family with. I think convenience plays an important part in many of those things for most people as well. You speak of replacing many of those things with escorts, maids and chefs, but that can cost a lot of money. If you are single and alone, that would make it that much harder to be able to afford. Friends can supply some of the companionship, but they have their own lives to attend to and have other commitments. If there is someone that you have a no-strings sexual relationship with, that can satisfy physical needs, but I think most people would prefer to be able to connect with someone on a deeper, emotional level. I think a spouse makes all these things more convenient. Two people working together can make things easier. Cooking, cleaning, chores, and errands can be split up. If you are both employed, that means more money coming in. If you want to start a family, it would be better to have two people under one roof raising the kids together rather than shuffling the children between two or more places. Of course, these things can be done without having any sort of official sanctioned marriage, but it does require a long term commitment.

Tycho
09-24-2008, 02:59 AM
Let's take this apart:


Many reasons. Love, friendship, companionship, someone to start a family with. I think convenience plays an important part in many of those things for most people as well. You speak of replacing many of those things with escorts, maids and chefs, but that can cost a lot of money. If you are single and alone, that would make it that much harder to be able to afford.

Ah, but say you are paying a mortgage on a home. You can take out a loan against your equity if you need to (or want to). But all the while, you've been paying off what you owe on this asset, and enjoying its appreciation.

If SHE divorces you, she takes that away. It might have to be sold to split the value 50-50. Or it might just become hers - by order of the court - or a stupid act of generosity on your behalf.

Let alone splitting up asset accounts, all this IS MORE than you'd spend for an escort girl visiting you several times a week. Or it might just work out the same.

A high price girl might NOT be sleeping around with everyone all night like a hooker. Say she's $1,000 a full night, and you like her over 3 times a week. That's $3k a week, or $14,400 a year. (So this escort girl probably will have other lovers to make a good income - but only others in a class who can afford this service, so you'd think they'd have health insurance and take care of themselves better than the clients of a $25 hooker). Anyway, now we're at $14,400 a year. Take your payments into an $800,000 house (typical in California) To spend $800,000 with an escort girl at $14,400 per year, it takes 55 years! If MARRIED for 55 years, (say age 30 to age 85) your 85 year old wife is not going to be looking that good...

So is your woman as exciting to talk to about Star Wars collecting?

(or does she just pretend?)

Is your woman as exciting to talk to about sports as your other buddies?

(or does she just pretend?)

Is a pretender motivated by impure reasons? Like keeping your income available in a joint bank account? Could she even be cheating on you and just be really good at pretending? (Look around at the people at your church. Remember the preacher said you're all sinners? Yeah. Well think about that a little more and don't be so gullible.)

But back to the wife vs. the escort girl. In 55 years, are you going to be seeing THE SAME escort girl? If you are, you might as well marry HER. If not - if you looked on the agency's website and picked out some hot 20-year girl from her bikini pictures, then what's to stop you from doing that 10 years later with a new girl who's THEN 20 years old? (or picking out a girl in an age range that you'd prefer) In other words, when you're 85, instead of being with an 85 year old woman, you can choose from age 18 to anything you find reasonable for your specific interests.

If you were going to marry your woman because you were interested in sex with her (and other guys are your better friends who won't tell you how to live your life in your own house) - with the escort service, you now have the better sex at the better price. Cut back or increase your spending as you are able and interested.



Friends can supply some of the companionship, but they have their own lives to attend to and have other commitments.

That's very true. A guy can get lonely with the less single friends he may have. Thus it is important to have other single male friends, and multiple women who might be available to you. But don't worry too much - your married guy-pals will come back to you as soon as they are getting divorced or kicked to the couch for the night.


If there is someone that you have a no-strings sexual relationship with, that can satisfy physical needs, but I think most people would prefer to be able to connect with someone on a deeper, emotional level.

Unfortunately, people think they'll get this by being married. But what if the woman is USING them because the guy wanted to be married, since he thought he'd have this deeper connection - irrationally because the girl is NOTHING like him in the first place. The sexual satisfaction is an instinctual and driving need. Maybe it is all you're going to ever get? Only idiots don't even get that because they're holding out for something MYTHOLOGICALLY better.:rolleyes:


I think a spouse makes all these things more convenient. Two people working together can make things easier. Cooking, cleaning, chores, and errands can be split up.

Very true. You can hire a professional assistant though. If she's hot - even better. You might even be able to make a deal with your escort girl to complete some of these tasks for you for an extra tip. Or you could luck out and find a hot maid who costs 100 times LESS than the escort girl, and does you THOSE kinds of FAVORS because she hopes you'll fall in love with her and give her a ring. While she's hot, let her go on believing that...



If you are both employed, that means more money coming in.

So marriage is for POOR PEOPLE? Tom Leykis made that a fundamental point in his teachings on his show. (He's the Anti-Dr.Phil for any who don't know. And Phil is divorcing - so which one is NOT a hypocrite?) But yeah, if you cannot afford Ashley DuPri (the New York Governor's $3,000 a night callgirl), you marry a 20 or 30 year old because SEX with HER is cheaper - except she will not stay 20 or 30 years old. You will either need viagra, come down with testicular cancer from your inactivity as a male (this is nature's assurance of thinning out the herd of non-breeders), or you'll go from watching porn (when married) to progressing to strip clubs, and finally extra-marital affairs (then divorce when you get caught).

OK: yes the pre-nuptual agreement can protect you pretty thoroughly. Then you can marry with the intent of having free sex until a probable point at which you always (secretly) plan to divorce. The wedding ring will still probably cost you - but I suppose 10 years with the little lady would be $144,000 with the call girl. So even if you spent $14,400 on the ring, you'd have your sex at 1/10 the price of the call girl. Add the attorney's fees for the pre-nup, and you're all clear for your divorce in 10-15 years if you'd like.

Of course, you don't have to stay with the same call-girl. You can sleep with 100's of women - or have your Top 5 on speed-dial. "Who's in your Top 5?"
But seriously - you don't have to wait 10 or 15 years to suddenly be free and say, "I want to experience an Asian, a blonde, a Latina, a brunette, a red head with emerald green eyes..." You can have them all in the same week - and maybe more than 1 at the same time.


If you want to start a family, it would be better to have two people under one roof raising the kids together rather than shuffling the children between two or more places.

Maybe. My parents were completely intolerant of one another, but stuck together only because they thought I should have a mother and a father. I had an upbringing probably very similar to many of you. I spent all my years from when I was a teenager until now as I reach my 30's to UNLEARN all the "morality" that my parents and society taught me. It is not easy to take all those "normal social conventions" or "morality" and reject it. But I am smarter than falling for that. I can think outside the box and lift myself "above the law." I have read the Old Testament and the New Testament. Now I am the Prophet and my own Lord. I will give you The Next Testament!

I am the truth. I am the light. (and I am not insane)


Of course, these things can be done without having any sort of official sanctioned marriage, but it does require a long term commitment.

If you want to have kids: more power to you. You can have the prenuptual in place, and marry and stick around for 13-20 years. I'd recommend at least the minimal amount, to help guide your child into the struggles of puberty. But honestly, they'll really need you for your entire lifetime. If I ever become a parent, I WILL start living for my kid.

Remember to have small families: your kids (if more than one) could be born close together, and then you can leave when they're both ascending to an appropriate young adolescent / adult age. Then stay in their lives - but they'll have their own life by this point, and not want their parents overly involved with it. Assert yourself as necessary, but you don't have to follow them once they start driving, etc.

Meanwhile, also remember to have a small family because $1 million in life insurance is not that expensive to purchase (especially if you opted NOT to have the escort girls, but your kids' mom instead). Now if you and your wife are both insured for $1 million each, and you have 2 kids - you do the math. Now if you have 4 kids - that's only $500,000 each. Not even enough for a house in some areas. (The first measure of whether you have enough insurance is whether your life policy covers the value of your house).

If you have too many children, and your estate cannot be divided profitably to your offspring due to their large number, you may asure that your surviving family equates with TRASH. When I did financial planning, I met a lot of people who thought that whatever was good enough for them, is good enough for their kids. Or their kids would have to earn it if they wanted it. Basically, it sounded to me like they were justifying their selfishness (or laziness - if they couldn't afford insurance and investments and didn't want to work harder to be able to). Obviously, the other school of thought is to make one's kids better off than you are. And you never know what will happen - when they will be the abandoned single-parent or something else happens that YOU cannot control. But you want to be able to help out your kid whether you are alive or not. I think that's being a responsible and good parent.

Anyway, you CAN do all these good things inside of a loving, functional marriage. You have to be very lucky and most people will not find "the right one." They'll believe they have for 15-30 years maybe (somewhere in there lying to themselves to protect them from the trauma of divorce). But maybe marriage will work for you - maybe it won't. I can't say.

But if YOU as a person want to display your Star Wars collection, spend more money on it too, why do you love a person that wants to take that all away from you? What do they offer instead? If it's sex that's so important, why not get it and then get away from whoever offered it if she's going to take away everything else you like? You don't have to make that trade-off. You don't even need to pretend you're cool if you're a nerd. The callgirl, maid, cook, and nurse all love nerds just as much - when they have deep pockets.

Go succeed in life and earn the world for yourself! You CAN live happily - and not alone. But you never need marry!

Blue2th
09-24-2008, 10:32 AM
That's why I support equal rights, equal pay for women. I would love to meet a professional woman who has her own money, has worked hard for it, and makes me sign a pre-nuptual. I make my own money, and it's a matter of pride that I don't want any of hers. In that way I want someone who is at least my equal, or better.
Then why even get married? Good question. Though things can change if you have children, but I have no problem being Mr. Mom.

bigbarada
09-24-2008, 10:43 AM
I don't personally have anything against marriage, but I just know that it's not for me right now.

The only reason I would want to get married would be to have kids. If I'm not going to have kids, then there's no reason for me to get married. Also, the only goal of dating is to find a spouse. So if I have no intention of marrying a girl, then I would just be wasting my time dating her.

So once you establish those two criteria (only date a woman you would marry, and only marry a woman who could produce strong, defect-free children), then that narrows the field down pretty significantly. Which I'm fine with and if it means that I die alone and offspring free, then that doesn't bother me. My spiritual beliefs help me to be at peace with that, also. Even the Bible says that marriage is not for everybody.

Tycho
09-24-2008, 11:33 AM
But aren't you guys totally jealous of the women you might date?

A minute ago, Blue2th was saying why he supports equal pay for the ladies (so do I - for the same reasons) but what about the equal enjoyment of sex for us guys?

An attractive woman can get her satisfaction with the large number of guys with whatever beliefs or lack of moral inhibitions. The ladies go through their days of impossibly irristable strong hormonal desires - and they can easily satisfy them if they allow themselves to. Guys have a tougher time, but perhaps even stronger (and necessary) hormonal-inspired needs for sexual relief. It is not fair or an equal opportunity for a guy at all! Sure, confidence, looks, stardom, or money all help a dude out. But it's still not an equal playing field or Elizabeth Hurley's ex-husband wouldn't have been caught with a hooker - celebrity male and everything. And look at Gov. Elliot Spitzer and Senator John Edwards to go no further.

And while YOU are being "sexually moral," your future wife LIES to you about what she's been doing. She has more opportunity, and motive to make sure you think she's a good girl. When she "goes to bed early so that she can wake up for church," WHO does she go to bed WITH? She's either too unattractive to have other men, and in that case she's actually telling you the truth (and I don't know why you want her then - if she's not actually what you desire and she's still going to limit or stop you from collecting / displaying what you love) or she's getting what you are not, and just covering her "sins" up.

But YOU are the one that's SUFFERING before and after.

Religious morals are RETARDED because they are all about sexual depravation. Seriously. Do you KILL people? If you got laid all the time with whomever you wanted, (a religious "sin") are you also going to kill people?
Society would probably not fall apart if folks enjoyed safe sex.

Now if you worked your butt off to pay to support your wife or daughter, you might KILL any guy who was using them for sex while your wife or daughter went behind your back. You are working and she is betraying your trust and enjoying herself while you SUFFER. Furthermore, if a guy knocks up your daughter and isn't paying for your grandchild, he has forced you to work more for nothing you (at least PLANNED) on getting enjoyment from.

You work to attain money to eat, clothe yourself, and have shelter, then for extra to support your retirement, and support your present entertainment. You trade some of the money to attain sex - why you give your money to a woman, versus say your best buddy that you enjoy Star Wars with and are more excited to share what other stuff you love with (like the football game). But the woman offers you sex. That's the bottom line. It's just that sex with the wife is really, really expensive when you look at the overall picture of all your years you plan to be married.

But back to BIBLICAL LIVING, those rules first given in the 10 Commandments, were intended to control motivation for MURDER. You'd lose control of your anger if your wife or daughter was running around while you were working, and then lumping more expenses upon you so you cannot comfortably afford to eat, clothe yourself, have a desirable shelter (nice home), and save for your retirement, and enjoy all the entertainment you desire (7 AT-TEs for your dioramas if you want that many, for example).

So since SHE is not living Biblically (chances are) - and the reasons for the 10 Commandments excetera are to keep KILLING to a minimal, with Heaven and Hell being superstitious fantasies laid out as motivators to follow retarded rules (though maybe not so retarded for there are people with a lot less inhibitions about killing other people), YOU can always use a condom and enjoy the only life I can offer you PROOF that you have. This versus waiting for Heaven (a superstition requiring faith because no proof exists) and denying your sexuality.

Put another way, denial of sexuality is great for the way it serves the following people:

1) It keeps women more under control, as like rabbits, they'd be mating constantly without sex being deemed more special than that. Fact is: sex is NOT special in some kind of religious or spiritually connecting way. We are a lifeform and it is one of the 5 basic functions that define life (reproduction or the instinct towards that and the act of). Thus the uncontrolled human would and should be having sex with multiple partners all day long.

The attractive woman who subscribes to religious superstition and controls the use of her body, makes everyone else a little less jealous.

2) It pacifies those who cannot get satisfaction themselves:

- the ugly woman who is frustrated
- any man who cannot have sex on demand, at any time
- the poor, who cannot buy their sexual satisfaction any time and on demand
- the elderly, who are the first to support religion and these rules because they can't enjoy "debauchery."
- "children," or minors who've advanced through puberty but can cause unplanned pregnancies
- the physically disabled (no further explanation needed)

So restrict natural human behavior? DUMB. Destined for failure. But I can see where when it works, it's very useful policy. Nevertheless, it's policy I'm smart enough not to have to follow (condom always in the wallet - that sort of thing). You can be smart enough to enjoy your life without bringing someone into it that's going to try to restrict or even prohibit your non-dangerous behavior - in effect, your enjoyment of another major aspect that you now like having in your life (your collection / toy spending habits). You're trading this away for sex, while you can have the best of both worlds if you do things another, unconventional way. Because who says conventions should be relied upon by SMART people?

So don't be retarded and don't let the relationship issues depress you about your collecting. Succeed in life and you will be able to BUY all that you desire. Guys: don't surrender to the enemy that easily. The sexes have always been at war. Know and win for the side that YOU are on! :thumbsup:

This message has been approved by the campaign for the continued male domination of the planet earth. :yes:

Ando
09-24-2008, 11:33 AM
My wife is my best friend and we were best friends before we started dating. Dating was the next logical step to build on our friendship and marriage was the way I was able to keep my best friend all to myself.

That's why *I* got married. I wanted our friendship and love to be permanent.

Plus she's got a great rack.

Blue2th
09-24-2008, 12:48 PM
But aren't you guys totally jealous of the women you might date?

A minute ago, Blue2th was saying why he supports equal pay for the ladies (so do I - for the same reasons) but what about the equal enjoyment of sex for us guys?

An attractive woman can get her satisfaction with the large number of guys with whatever beliefs or lack of moral inhibitions. The ladies go through their days of impossibly irristable strong hormonal desires - and they can easily satisfy them if they allow themselves to. Guys have a tougher time, but perhaps even stronger (and necessary) hormonal-inspired needs for sexual relief. It is not fair or an equal opportunity for a guy at all! Sure, confidence, looks, stardom, or money all help a dude out. But it's still not an equal playing field or Elizabeth Hurley's ex-husband wouldn't have been caught with a hooker - celebrity male and everything. And look at Gov. Elliot Spitzer and Senator John Edwards to go no further.

And while YOU are being "sexually moral," your future wife LIES to you about what she's been doing. She has more opportunity, and motive to make sure you think she's a good girl. When she "goes to bed early so that she can wake up for church," WHO does she go to bed WITH? She's either too unattractive to have other men, and in that case she's actually telling you the truth (and I don't know why you want her then - if she's not actually what you desire and she's still going to limit or stop you from collecting / displaying what you love) or she's getting what you are not, and just covering her "sins" up.

But YOU are the one that's SUFFERING before and after.

Religious morals are RETARDED because they are all about sexual depravation. Seriously. Do you KILL people? If you got laid all the time with whomever you wanted, (a religious "sin") are you also going to kill people?
Society would probably not fall apart if folks enjoyed safe sex.

Now if you worked your butt off to pay to support your wife or daughter, you might KILL any guy who was using them for sex while your wife or daughter went behind your back. You are working and she is betraying your trust and enjoying herself while you SUFFER. Furthermore, if a guy knocks up your daughter and isn't paying for your grandchild, he has forced you to work more for nothing you (at least PLANNED) on getting enjoyment from.

You work to attain money to eat, clothe yourself, and have shelter, then for extra to support your retirement, and support your present entertainment. You trade some of the money to attain sex - why you give your money to a woman, versus say your best buddy that you enjoy Star Wars with and are more excited to share what other stuff you love with (like the football game). But the woman offers you sex. That's the bottom line. It's just that sex with the wife is really, really expensive when you look at the overall picture of all your years you plan to be married.

But back to BIBLICAL LIVING, those rules first given in the 10 Commandments, were intended to control motivation for MURDER. You'd lose control of your anger if your wife or daughter was running around while you were working, and then lumping more expenses upon you so you cannot comfortably afford to eat, clothe yourself, have a desirable shelter (nice home), and save for your retirement, and enjoy all the entertainment you desire (7 AT-TEs for your dioramas if you want that many, for example).

So since SHE is not living Biblically (chances are) - and the reasons for the 10 Commandments excetera are to keep KILLING to a minimal, with Heaven and Hell being superstitious fantasies laid out as motivators to follow retarded rules (though maybe not so retarded for there are people with a lot less inhibitions about killing other people), YOU can always use a condom and enjoy the only life I can offer you PROOF that you have. This versus waiting for Heaven (a superstition requiring faith because no proof exists) and denying your sexuality.

Put another way, denial of sexuality is great for the way it serves the following people:

1) It keeps women more under control, as like rabbits, they'd be mating constantly without sex being deemed more special than that. Fact is: sex is NOT special in some kind of religious or spiritually connecting way. We are a lifeform and it is one of the 5 basic functions that define life (reproduction or the instinct towards that and the act of). Thus the uncontrolled human would and should be having sex with multiple partners all day long.

The attractive woman who subscribes to religious superstition and controls the use of her body, makes everyone else a little less jealous.

2) It pacifies those who cannot get satisfaction themselves:

- the ugly woman who is frustrated
- any man who cannot have sex on demand, at any time
- the poor, who cannot buy their sexual satisfaction any time and on demand
- the elderly, who are the first to support religion and these rules because they can't enjoy "debauchery."
- "children," or minors who've advanced through puberty but can cause unplanned pregnancies
- the physically disabled (no further explanation needed)

So restrict natural human behavior? DUMB. Destined for failure. But I can see where when it works, it's very useful policy. Nevertheless, it's policy I'm smart enough not to have to follow (condom always in the wallet - that sort of thing). You can be smart enough to enjoy your life without bringing someone into it that's going to try to restrict or even prohibit your non-dangerous behavior - in effect, your enjoyment of another major aspect that you now like having in your life (your collection / toy spending habits). You're trading this away for sex, while you can have the best of both worlds if you do things another, unconventional way. Because who says conventions should be relied upon by SMART people?

So don't be retarded and don't let the relationship issues depress you about your collecting. Succeed in life and you will be able to BUY all that you desire. Guys: don't surrender to the enemy that easily. The sexes have always been at war. Know and win for the side that YOU are on! :thumbsup:

This message has been approved by the campaign for the continued male domination of the planet earth. :yes:

I see no reason why a man can't have as much enjoyment as a woman. Men think of sex every 2 minutes if you believe the saying. Whereas a woman I believe does not as much. They say to get to a woman's heart you have to go through their brain. Whereas a man it is much easier. I do not envy a woman in that regard at all.

I have gotten old enough to where a woman has to go through my brain also. Maybe I think too much now, and sure I would not turn down a good looking bimbo blond, but for anything long term, I guess I subscribe to BigB's thinking (religion has never left me in some respects)

If all else fails, women have their toys and men have Rosey Palmer, but in the end is empty because it is the interaction of another body and soul that makes one complete.
It's just the baggage that comes with it, but still everyone needs to be loved. Life is messy, but that is the challenge.

Lazer Brain
09-24-2008, 12:58 PM
my accountant....aaaa Wife is my best friend and Lover, she spoils me the the extreme. I have a massive star wars collection taking up the most of two rooms in our house, and she lets me do most anything i want and makes more money than i do. and all she wants in return is for me to listen to her rants every now and then. ah yes true love. there are times when my collecting does get in the way, but when hard times do hit , I just sell a few key items on e of bays and us that money to keep up my collecting. this is an interesting post by everyone.
later

Qui-Long Gone
09-24-2008, 02:31 PM
I'm not even married and I cracked up laughing! lol

Let's just say that women have a way of getting their hooks into you and "convincing" you to see things their way.:)


If by "hooks" you mean "boobies" then yes, you are right....wives convince you to see things their way. :lipsrsealed:

Blue2th
09-24-2008, 02:52 PM
my accountant....aaaa Wife is my best friend and Lover, she spoils me the the extreme. I have a massive star wars collection taking up the most of two rooms in our house, and she lets me do most anything i want and makes more money than i do. and all she wants in return is for me to listen to her rants every now and then. ah yes true love. there are times when my collecting does get in the way, but when hard times do hit , I just sell a few key items on e of bays and us that money to keep up my collecting. this is an interesting post by everyone.
later

Man that's a dream girl. (where's the jealous smilie face?)

Mad Slanted Powers
09-24-2008, 07:28 PM
Tycho, it sounds as if you are assuming the worst in women. Given that you seem to be focusing so much on looks alone, perhaps a higher percentage of the type of women that you are attracted to aren't to be trusted. But those aren't the type of women I would be interested in marrying. If you are really that distrustful of them and feel that you're gonna get taken, then by all means you shouldn't get involved with someone like that.

As far as the costs, I don't believe your math. My house payment is about $1000 a month. That means I've paid about $60,000 in the 5 years since I bought my house. That would be the same as if I spent $1000 a month on one of those escort girls. With the escorts, I'm just paying for a temporary thrill with nothing to show for it in the long run. With the house, I have some equity into it. I don't know all the formulas they use in divorce settlements, but if the house payments were coming strictly from my own separate account, I would think that would have to be taken into consideration. If it is common money going into the payments, then she is at risk as well. True, women tend to get the better end of the deal, but a lot of that could depend on how good your lawyer is. When my aunt was getting divorced, her husband was trying to get some of her retirement money.

If sexual satisfaction is all you are looking for, all you need is some tissue and your imagination. If you want more than that, you need to look beyond appearance and find someone who is the right fit for you personality-wise. I'm not saying looks aren't important. I would want someone that I am attracted to, but I probably have a wider range of what I would consider acceptable appearance-wise than you. I like to think of it as a mathematical graph of something like a hyperbola.

Imagine that the x-axis is the physical (appearance, hygiene, athletic ability, etc.) and the y-axis is the mental (personality, intelligence, interests, opinions, morals, etc.). The graph of y = 1/x is a hyperbola. As x increases towards infinity, y approaches zero but never reaches it. Likewise, as y increases towards infinity, x approaches 0 but never reaches it. Thus, the more attractive a person is, I might be willing to tolerate a few more personality "flaws", but there is a point that I won't cross. Similarly, the more I like the person, the more physical "imperfections" I am willing to accept, but only to a point.

Of course, this is a simple two-dimensional representation. Each individual item about a person could get an axis of its own, so you really have to evaluate the entire package and determine if the pros outweigh the cons. I think the problem is that too many people don't think these things through, or if they do, they just assume that the differences will work themselves out. Maybe they go along because they feel that it is what they are supposed to do. In that sense, I agree with you. Don't get married for the wrong reasons. I believe it was Davy Crockett that said "Be sure you are right, then go ahead." A pre-nuptial agreement isn't a bad idea either. It is there to protect both parties involved.

Snowtrooper
09-24-2008, 11:52 PM
Marriage isn't for everyone and no marriage is perfect. Every man & woman has their flaws and weaknesses. Some work through them and stay together. Others obviously don't. Alot of people jump into marriage, thinking that they'll live happily ever after and when that doesn't happen, they bail. And there are those like Tycho described who marry for money, looks, or lifestyle. There are no guarantees. You could do everything right and still end up with a rotten marriage or divorce. I was one of the fortunate ones who didn't have to worry about alterior motives from my wife. I'm ugly, middle class, and don't lead a very glamorous life, yet she married me anyways.

I have several friends who are pretty well off and could easily "get hitched" if they really wanted. But they're happy being single and no amount of setting them up will ever change that.

Tycho, not that you need me tell you this, but you should do whatever you are comfortable and happy with. If that is being single, so be it. But should you ever change your mind, there are girls out there who are loyal. It just takes time and a little luck to find them.

Turbowars
09-25-2008, 12:13 AM
there are girls out there who are loyal. It just takes time and a little luck to find them.I don't think the term Loyal and girls go together. I'd love to be proven wrong. I'd say just one of you here knows what happened to me and I wont go into that, but my collection is gone. I donated it all. and I don't miss it one bit. I realized I used collecting to get away from my horrible marriage. I still love SW, but no longer have an attachment to the cheap toys. Don't miss them one bit. My life is now the best it has ever been and if it took what happened to wake me up I'd go through what I did in a heart beat.

Tycho
09-25-2008, 02:19 AM
Turbowars helps to illustrate a great point about biology's determinants for classifying anything as alive. High School Biology 101 test question:

1) a life is born
2) a life eats
3) a life sleeps
4) a life reproduces (mates / has sex)
5) a life dies

And that life process fits into the ecosystem (which is why we should save the whales, etc.)

So if we are only animals, where does our capacity for creativity and appreciating things like Star Wars fit? It's a distraction from #4 - sex.

Avoiding No.'s 1 and 5 above, and noting that with No. 3, you pass out eventually if you lack sleep, we're left with the question "how does Star Wars relate to eating and having sex?"

Well, if you don't eat, you'll get very hungry and it will become an impossible distraction and urge to satisfy or you will die. In the event of catrostrophic bodily systems failure, you'll take food and drink over Star Wars if you really need to. Sure - you can skip a meal to afford a Comic 2-pack, but that's not what I mean.

Now, if you don't have sex, you might very well develop male cancer. When you die, nature thins the herd of non-breeders. Usually, men take matters into their own hands first. When one is well-fed, well-rested, and sexually satisfied, one concentrates on life's distractions. In many cases this might be work, career advancement, etc. but often it is things that bring you pleasure - as you're always trying to seek elusive contentment and satisfaction. Star Wars can tempt you to use it to fill this void.

So my belief is that anything you do beyond eating or sleeping, involves making a SUBSTITUTION for SEX.


Tycho, it sounds as if you are assuming the worst in women.

Yes, I recommend this. If you plan for the worst case scenerio, anything else will be better and hurt and disappoint you less.


Given that you seem to be focusing so much on looks alone, perhaps a higher percentage of the type of women that you are attracted to aren't to be trusted.

Very true. This is because they have many men offering them many options. Ever consider why a lot of the most attractive women you saw in high school were underachievers and lured to drugs? (rhetorical question) Anyway, the bad boys make their moves first, and some women take a long time to learn their lesson. Still, it's not fair for the young doctor who marries one of these girls for a trophy wife. The Doc has spent all his life studying in med school and never lived out in society. The girl has already slept with everyone else in that society, and she trades the leather bikergirl jacket for something to wear to tea with her husband's medical practice colleagues. That's real fair for the GUY. :rolleyes:

We must defend opportunities and priviledges for MEN here and now, and forever after!


But those aren't the type of women I would be interested in marrying. If you are really that distrustful of them and feel that you're gonna get taken, then by all means you shouldn't get involved with someone like that.

That's why I'm saying I'm NOT interested in marrying. I was in Target tonight to buy toilet paper (hey- we all need it). That's the only reason I went. Sure enough, attractive girls stimulated me and motivated me to try and meet them. (But they didn't want to join me in squeezing the Charmin)


As far as the costs, I don't believe your math. My house payment is about $1000 a month. That means I've paid about $60,000 in the 5 years since I bought my house. That would be the same as if I spent $1000 a month on one of those escort girls. With the escorts, I'm just paying for a temporary thrill with nothing to show for it in the long run. With the house, I have some equity into it.

Very true. Your argument is good thus far. (But it assumes you can't fund both pursuits at the same time - the girl and the house - and it doesn't -at this point - bring a wife into the equation).



I don't know all the formulas they use in divorce settlements, but if the house payments were coming strictly from my own separate account, I would think that would have to be taken into consideration. If it is common money going into the payments, then she is at risk as well. True, women tend to get the better end of the deal, but a lot of that could depend on how good your lawyer is. When my aunt was getting divorced, her husband was trying to get some of her retirement money.

OK, in very general terms, MadSlantedPowers is heading in a logical direction.

1) We can hope that his first sentence is correct: that if the husband paid for the house, in a divorce, he gets to keep it. But we assume he can continue to pay his mortgage PLUS alimony, as if the wife is unskilled and unemployed at the time of divorce, the court won't leave her homeless. The husband might not be able to afford both payments, and wind up losing his house. A vindictive wife would even try to make it so.

2) If the wife is at risk, so is the husband: he is at risk that she will try to change his mind about the divorce, and when he is 50, he would be stuck with a nearly 50 year old spouse, who he is no longer attracted to. Thus, she is limiting him from using whatever resources he can, to bribe a 20 year old that he will be more attracted to. This assumes that you want to be involved with the opposite sex FOR SEX because your buddies that you are most excited to spend time with discussing sports and Star Wars, are just not enough.

3) You better hide your retirement money as best you can, too. I recommend cash value accumulating life-insurance policies. Withdrawals are tax-free, too - unlike 401Ks and IRAs. And you aren't penalized for being under 60 years of age (59.5).


If sexual satisfaction is all you are looking for, all you need is some tissue and your imagination.

You can use Handi-wipes, too. However, it's great to mix things up a little and a real girl can do a little bit more than a blow-up doll. They train them as far north as Alaska. ;)


If you want more than that, you need to look beyond appearance and find someone who is the right fit for you personality-wise.

I really WANT to be proven wrong because I find the one girl who can change my whole outlook on this topic matter. But in the meantime, I separate who I look for appearance-wise, and how much I enjoy the non-sexual companionship of my buddies who share interests of mine. Thus, I am fulfilled by having great relationships in my life that offer me companionship. I just seek sexual fulfillment elsewhere. But I am not letting a girl come in and control my collecting / Star Wars displaying habits, because - as I made a case above - I need that (Star Wars) distraction from my sexuality.


I'm not saying looks aren't important. I would want someone that I am attracted to, but I probably have a wider range of what I would consider acceptable appearance-wise than you.

Maybe you do. I just don't settle for anyone other than who I'd be really attracted to - because for me - that's the whole point. (the only point). But YES, I hope for even more. That I'm not completely sure I'll never find it, leaves there being an opening for that one girl to come along who could totally prove me wrong. (leaving me happy to be proved wrong)

By the way, some of you might recall - I think I met her. This girl has a boyfriend and the fact that she's cheated on him to be with me, does reinforce everything I've been saying. Anyway, I occasionally continue to see this girl (she's as into politics as I am - and she reads sci-fi books, amongst other interests we have in common). If I wind up dating this girl - and she could prove to be trustworthy for me (uh, yeah - look what she's doing now) - then I'll see the foot in my mouth (maybe her foot - mmmmm.) But anyway, this is all very unlikely.


I like to think of it as a mathematical graph of something like a hyperbola.

In your example, you note that the more intelligent and interesting a girl tends to be, the less physically attractive she is. Do I have that right? You saw Christian Bale in American Psycho, didn't you? (I love that movie)

So the unattractive woman will allow a guy to keep his collection, since she's afraid she won't be able to keep the guy.

Reversing that - the attractive woman will tell a guy everything to do, because he knows that if he disappoints her, he will very quickly find himself replaced.

Getting back to the thread's main topic, where do I see that leaving our piles of Hasbro plastic?

It depresses us when we realize either consciously or subconsciously that its massive accumulation does not banish our sexual dissatisfaction by just adding one more action figure, ship, or vehicle. There's so much to sort through and inventory!

It depresses us when we realize what a pile of stuff we accumulated, trying to find that sastisfaction, many of it improved upon with updates, leaving us with how many versions of the same thing?

By contrast, we have moments of elation - like when us diorama dreamers realize that young Owen and Beru Lars are being made into figures, and we'll get to run to Wal-Mart to purchase them. That high lasts a day or two in length. And the high from purchasing the Big Millennium Falcon or the AT-TE lasts a lot longer. But it's all more exciting than a completist finding the latest Darth Vader. (being a completist would so depress me! You also have to look at the realities for Hasbro being the producer and Vader being a staple of the line)

So there are highs and lows to this hobby. Being aware of them, and why some of the lows are actually lows, can help you help yourself, tremendously.

Qui-Long Gone
09-25-2008, 02:17 PM
Yes, I recommend this. If you plan for the worst case scenerio, anything else will be better and hurt and disappoint you less.

only a Sith deals in absolutes.....:D







Oh crap! Now I'm a SITH!!:Par:


I've always found that a glass half-full can get fuller, but a glass-half empty will never taste good, no matter how full.....



I got that from a retired fortune cookie maker. :thumbsup:

So Tycho, to reference Freud, is a lightsabe just a lightsaber?

bigbarada
09-25-2008, 03:09 PM
Turbowars helps to illustrate a great point about biology's determinants for classifying anything as alive. High School Biology 101 test question:

1) a life is born
2) a life eats
3) a life sleeps
4) a life reproduces (mates / has sex)
5) a life dies

And that life process fits into the ecosystem (which is why we should save the whales, etc.)

So if we are only animals, where does our capacity for creativity and appreciating things like Star Wars fit? It's a distraction from #4 - sex.

Avoiding No.'s 1 and 5 above, and noting that with No. 3, you pass out eventually if you lack sleep, we're left with the question "how does Star Wars relate to eating and having sex?"

Well, if you don't eat, you'll get very hungry and it will become an impossible distraction and urge to satisfy or you will die. In the event of catrostrophic bodily systems failure, you'll take food and drink over Star Wars if you really need to. Sure - you can skip a meal to afford a Comic 2-pack, but that's not what I mean.

Now, if you don't have sex, you might very well develop male cancer. When you die, nature thins the herd of non-breeders. Usually, men take matters into their own hands first. When one is well-fed, well-rested, and sexually satisfied, one concentrates on life's distractions. In many cases this might be work, career advancement, etc. but often it is things that bring you pleasure - as you're always trying to seek elusive contentment and satisfaction. Star Wars can tempt you to use it to fill this void.

So my belief is that anything you do beyond eating or sleeping, involves making a SUBSTITUTION for SEX.


Well, I don't believe that we're animals. There is no real scientific evidence that links us to the animals kingdom and things like creativity, appreciation of beauty and art can't be accounted for in the evolutionary model. If Darwinism was true, then those things shouldn't exist.

BTW, when I say appreciation of beauty, I'm talking about something like looking at a sunset and finding it beautiful. You're obviously not sexually attracted to the sunset, so beauty goes beyond sex.

So I would disagree 100% with your last statement.

Qui-Long Gone
09-25-2008, 03:47 PM
beauty goes beyond sex


Sounds like you've been reading Kant.


I would agree with you BB, beauty -true beauty - is so much more than sex, although I doubt we would be able to separate sex from beauty...well, let me think about that last one. Ugly people have sex too!

I also agree Darwin cannot account (among other things) for beauty, but I would suspect that nature surely has some capactiy to appreciate beauty. Certainly some flowers and animals use beauty for reproductive reasons, but surely (I don't know scientifically) nature can embrace beauty beyond sex too....??? Or maybe that is the delineation between us and the rest.

Tycho
09-25-2008, 09:13 PM
See, I think I believe that everything beyond eating and sleeping - and ensuring that one CAN eat and sleep - falls into the category of the pursuit of sex. I guess I'll repeat myself: collecting Star Wars is a distraction from the pursuit of sex.


Well, I don't believe that we're animals. There is no real scientific evidence that links us to the animals kingdom

That's a very old debate for another thread. I think that were both crystal clear on where each of us stand on opposite sides of this issue, without ANYONE here second guessing it. Therefore, I won't contribute to the fall of a great discussion thread (and neither was BigB. - he's OK by me! :thumbsup: )


and things like creativity, appreciation of beauty and art can't be accounted for in the evolutionary model. If Darwinism was true, then those things shouldn't exist.

But Qui-Long Gone made an excellent point that in nature, animals use things like displays of color (or beauty) to attract their mates (for sex). When we as humans CREATE, we are also doing it to attract success, and the sex that is made possible by it - or to attract praise and other rewards that distract us from lack of sex (thereby it all being sexually motivated one way or the other, whether we actually have sex or not).


BTW, I understood your definition of beauty with regards to the sunset, etc.

Spending time appreciating it is a distraction to hold you over during a time that you're lacking sex (or are too tired from already just having had sex). It makes you psychologically content.


So I would disagree 100% with your last statement.

I know, but my theory is very plausible and not disproven. The same argument is made for Creationism (intelligent design) and those that laud it do so because they say IT is not disproven. I should think I get an equal benefit of the doubt with my teachings as the Prophet of the Next Testament.

Neuroleptic
09-25-2008, 09:25 PM
. . . what dose this have to do with being depressed by your collection?

I'm lost here. The last time I looked at this thread, it was preaty civil. But now it seams to have turned into a HUGE debate about morals, belife in the universe revolving around sex, and why people shouldn't get married.

:D I'm feeling kinda like someone who just walked into a bar to have a quiet drink, and I open the door and find the whole place in one big brawl . . .


. . . And why do I think Tycho is in the dead center of said brawl? :D

Devo
09-25-2008, 10:10 PM
Well, I don't believe that we're animals. There is no real scientific evidence that links us to the animals kingdom and things like creativity, appreciation of beauty and art can't be accounted for in the evolutionary model. If Darwinism was true, then those things shouldn't exist.

BTW, when I say appreciation of beauty, I'm talking about something like looking at a sunset and finding it beautiful. You're obviously not sexually attracted to the sunset, so beauty goes beyond sex.

So I would disagree 100% with your last statement.

Coming into this late and haven't reviewed the thread so I'm sorry if I'm making points already debated or that aren't relevant to everyone elses points that in turn are not in any way relevant to the topic!! >>inhales<< but as I see it we eat, drink, sleep, urinate, defecate and have sex - just like animals - thats pretty good evidence right there. And appreciation of art and beauty derives from our more evolved brains - whose to say those 'mere animals' wouldn't develop the same capability given the required timescale. Of course that point is moot if you don't accept evolution in the first place but hypothetically.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-26-2008, 12:49 AM
And appreciation of art and beauty derives from our more evolved brains - whose to say those 'mere animals' wouldn't develop the same capability given the required timescale. Of course that point is moot if you don't accept evolution in the first place but hypothetically.But what about those animals that have been around longer than us? Time hasn't given them a creative spark.


. . . what dose this have to do with being depressed by your collection?

I'm lost here. The last time I looked at this thread, it was preaty civil. But now it seams to have turned into a HUGE debate about morals, belife in the universe revolving around sex, and why people shouldn't get married.

I'm feeling kinda like someone who just walked into a bar to have a quiet drink, and I open the door and find the whole place in one big brawl . . .


. . . And why do I think Tycho is in the dead center of said brawl?Ah, but everything is connected. Yes, the thread has drifted off topic a bit, but the question was, "Are you ever depressed by your collection?" Why would we be depressed by something we willingly chose to do? It seems that common answers revolve around seeing the size of our collections and realizing how much money we spent on it, and that we could have done so much more with our time and money. It also seems to have impact on relationships for some people, either keeping us from having them, or straining the ones we have.

So, all of this discussion is good in that it may help people in relationships find solutions or put things in perspective, and it may help people not in relationships be prepared for what they may have to deal with if they ever are in one. While I don't approve of Tycho's attitude about and behavior with women, I do agree with him on one aspect of this. Be careful of what you are getting yourself into in a relationship. I'm probably as unlikely to get married as Tycho is, but for different reasons. I think there are plenty of good women out there that aren't just out to fleece you, and many of them are willing to put up with collectors as evidenced by all the married people on SSG. I just seem to have other issues that make me feel as if no one is compatible with me.

plasticfetish
09-26-2008, 01:16 AM
BTW, when I say appreciation of beauty, I'm talking about something like looking at a sunset and finding it beautiful. You're obviously not sexually attracted to the sunset, so beauty goes beyond sex.I dunno. Whenever I see a great sunset, I always get a boner.


. . . what dose this have to do with being depressed by your collection?Yeah... off topic, but this is a pretty loose one, so no big deal.

(Mostly I'm thinking that this thread belongs in General Discussion though.)

Tycho
09-26-2008, 01:34 AM
. . . what dose this have to do with being depressed by your collection?

As others pointed out, it is a worthwhile discussion about relationships we're having, but that is connected with collecting.

As "collecting" seems to be an attempt to find other joy and fulfillment in life
and thereby a substitution or obstacle for many relationships.


I'm lost here. The last time I looked at this thread, it was preaty civil. But now it seams to have turned into a HUGE debate about morals, belife in the universe revolving around sex, and why people shouldn't get married.

Actually, I think it's still VERY civil. What about the rest of you guys? We hashed out our positions on controversial stuff already - and we know from experience that each of our fundamental beliefs won't change. I think we can steer it back to covering Star Wars most specifically again.


:D I'm feeling kinda like someone who just walked into a bar to have a quiet drink, and I open the door and find the whole place in one big brawl . . .


. . . And why do I think Tycho is in the dead center of said brawl? :D

'cause I'm here! Let me buy you a drink if I get to throw the first punch - or not. Sometimes you just like to drink and brawl. It's not like anyone in a Star Wars group is going to get their arm cut off or anything. :D


But what about those animals that have been around longer than us? Time hasn't given them a creative spark.

I agree with MSP here. His point doesn't disprove evolution, but it does make it clear that some animals have reached their highest potential - at least that we can see. Now I'm all for getting my house cats to drive so they can go to the store and pick out their own darn food and I don't have to deal with all the complaining. But this hasn't happened yet.

I mean my keys are on the kitchen counter right now. Either of them could jump up there and get what they need to start my Jeep. I think the primary reason they don't do this is so that they can MAKE ME DO IT. It's a conspiracy I tell you. My own cats are plotting against me!


Ah, but everything is connected. Yes, the thread has drifted off topic a bit, but the question was, "Are you ever depressed by your collection?" Why would we be depressed by something we willingly chose to do?

Because many people here are doing it because they aren't satisfied by other things they try to do, and they remember with fondness how satisfying their childhood might have been with these toys, when Star Wars was all they had to worry about. This doesn't describe everyone, of course. Many want the figures they never could have as a kid, from Han Solo in Stormtrooper Disguise to Wedge and Uncle Owen. But the question of this thread is "Are you ever DEPRESSED by your collection?" So it's not about the thrill of getting an Ephant Mon figure, Wuher, or Yarna. It's about what THAT (specifically) does NOT do for you - or why you could have all these toys that a poor child might dream of having, and still be depressed.


It also seems to have impact on relationships for some people, either keeping us from having them, or straining the ones we have.

So, all of this discussion is good in that it may help people in relationships find solutions or put things in perspective, and it may help people not in relationships be prepared for what they may have to deal with if they ever are in one.

But MSP says:


I think there are plenty of good women out there that aren't just out to fleece you, and many of them are willing to put up with collectors as evidenced by all the married people on SSG.

While true, MSP and I have different ideas about what makes up a good woman -for a love partner, as opposed to just a friend. There are lots of great women out there who hopefully COULD be your good friend. But for a guy and a gal to be just friends, they both have to have the same exact clarity on what defines their relationship. Also, that cannot change. Finally, they have to be able to deal with their friend-of-the-opposite-sex's angst with their love relationships. They may indeed take a generalized negative outlook on the opposite sex. And the comments and attitude they might develop is not intended to denegrate their friend-of-the-opposite-sex, but definitely does serve the person with the pessimist's attitude as their protection, their defense, their construct for self-support that they are leaning on.

Put another way, when a guy says "all women are b's," he's making an excuse for himself and any relationship woes he may have (which may or may not be his fault). But this way, he shortens the time he is sad and depressed about that situation, and as The Terminator said in T3 (referring to his program for basic human psychology) "Anger is a more useful emotion."

So "feel your anger. It gives you focus!...Give in to your anger. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete!"

It makes things "Quicker, easier, more seductive." And what is wrong with that?

Mad Slanted Powers
09-26-2008, 01:56 AM
I agree with MSP here. His point doesn't disprove evolution, but it does make it clear that some animals have reached their highest potential - at least that we can see. Now I'm all for getting my house cats to drive so they can go to the store and pick out their own darn food and I don't have to deal with all the complaining. But this hasn't happened yet.My God have you learned nothing from Toonces?!!!



So "feel your anger. It gives you focus!...Give in to your anger. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete!"

It makes things "Quicker, easier, more seductive." And what is wrong with that?Because with the light side you are calm, at peace. A much better state of mind to be in meesa thinks.

Tycho
09-26-2008, 02:29 AM
Someone asked me the other day if I was at peace. I thought about it and said, "No." But by not being at peace, I am driven - always trying to achieve something better. I have times when I feel content - but I like my drive which I get from not being at peace, never being satisfied.

I do use my anger and my hate. I credit it with seeing me through my tragedy of several years ago, when I couldn't even walk. I was so angry I never stopped pushing myself. And now I'm back to my distempered "normal" for me.

Perhaps people here erroneously thought that if they were driven to complete a collection, they'd FEEL better. If that hasn't happened, it's understandable why they're depressed when they look at a huge disorganized pile of plastic and realize what it cost them.

But while Star Wars MAY ACTUALLY or may not actually be their answer for satisfaction (it does just fine for me sometimes) this topic has been great for exploring.

Ando
09-26-2008, 10:55 AM
You know, not to get even MORE off topic, but even if cats *could* drive to the store to buy their own food, I think anyone who has been around cats long enough would agree with me that they would choose *NOT* to drive to the store to buy their own food.

It's sort of like women and putting the seat down. They can put it down for themselves, but they choose not to. Fortunately I'm running a "seat up" household because I was blessed with a wife who knows how to put it down for herself.

Qui-Long Gone
09-26-2008, 01:33 PM
I agree, cats would not drive to the store to get their own food. They would send the dog. :squareeye

I don't know about women not putting the seat down for themselves.....I think most do.....but none, at least that I know, put the seat up for men.

darthvyn
09-26-2008, 01:45 PM
things like creativity, appreciation of beauty and art can't be accounted for in the evolutionary model. If Darwinism was true, then those things shouldn't exist.

BTW, when I say appreciation of beauty, I'm talking about something like looking at a sunset and finding it beautiful. You're obviously not sexually attracted to the sunset, so beauty goes beyond sex.

while i'll step aside from the subjective notion of "appreciation of beauty" since we all know by now that it resides in the eye of the beholder, the concept that art has nothing to do with sex is preposterous. art is a process of creation, passion, and sensuality, as is sex.

other than fruit (which has its own sexual connotations dating back for centuries) what is the single most popular art subject? NUDES! to say that artwork depicting nudes is simply for anatomical study is false, it was ALWAYS meant to push boundaries, entice, scintillate, arouse the senses, ever cause a visceral reaction before any intellectual one. it's about feeling. sensuality, passion.

if you want to call that a "substitute" for sex, i guess you can. i tend to believe it's simply another outlet for our energies.

Qui-Long Gone
09-26-2008, 01:55 PM
art is a process of creation, passion, and sensuality, as is sex.

That is a good description of some art, especially if you were born during the Enlightenment.

Art is also a process of intellect, which rarely has much to do with sex.

Art is also a process of critique, the critique of humanity, institutions, existence, politic, etc. Art has as much to do with rhetoric as it does feeling.

darthvyn
09-26-2008, 03:44 PM
That is a good description of some art, especially if you were born during the Enlightenment.

Art is also a process of intellect, which rarely has much to do with sex.

Art is also a process of critique, the critique of humanity, institutions, existence, politic, etc. Art has as much to do with rhetoric as it does feeling.

before there can be critique or intellect on any subject displayed in art there must be the creation of the art, and that is born of passion (the drive to create in and of itself, or the drive to express your emotion, or the drive to express your opinion) and sensuality (the artistic sense of form, composition, color, medium, etc.)

i was correlating art and sex based on their similarities at the base level. all art is born of creation, passion and sensuality at the base level, even if it holds to loftier ideals such as intellect and critique above and beyond. but then, sex does as well, because you can have the ideal of love on top of all the passion and sensuality.

mabudonicus
09-26-2008, 04:05 PM
so you've never jagged off to a Renoir???

Sounds like the polar opposite of being "depressed by your collection", this whole art/sex/sunrise-boner deal

:beard: Iso&Baws

Tossin ropes acrosst yer AT-TE etc

CaptainSolo1138
09-26-2008, 04:43 PM
so you've never jagged off to a Renoir???I'm more a fan of the Renaissance. If its named after a Ninja Turtle I can assure you I've hammered out more than one.

Tossin ropes acrosst yer AT-TE etcMy Imperial Shuttle looks like its been covered in silly string.

Rocketboy
09-26-2008, 09:51 PM
Renoir?
No.

Pollock, Lichtenstein, Hockney, Close, and Hopper?
Oyes.

bobafrett
09-27-2008, 10:58 AM
other than fruit (which has its own sexual connotations dating back for centuries) what is the single most popular art subject? NUDES! to say that artwork depicting nudes is simply for anatomical study is false, it was ALWAYS meant to push boundaries, entice, scintillate, arouse the senses, ever cause a visceral reaction before any intellectual one. it's about feeling. sensuality, passion.




I had wanted to attend an art class in my younger years where they sketched nudes, but it was mostly because I wanted to see a naked woman.

Obsession is Nute
09-27-2008, 02:37 PM
:: Laughs. :: I LOVE this.

Topic Thread: "Are you ever depressed by your collection?"

Current items on the floor. Cats driving to get their own catfood and nude artwork.

I heartily contribute to off topicness, but the two subjects we are on are so off-the-wall it is awesome!

Also, Qui-Long, I beg you not to reference Kant again. If my G/F is around I could suffer collateral damage from the insueing explosion.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-27-2008, 04:03 PM
Also, Qui-Long, I beg you not to reference Kant again. If my G/F is around I could suffer collateral damage from the insueing explosion.Why, does her family have a blood feud with the Kants? Or is it like that Steve Martin routine about philosophy. He asks the audience if they took philosophy in college and then he comments about people putting their hand up half way because they are so confused after having studied philosophy. He then says that other classes are all about facts and numbers and you forget it all. With philosophy, you remember just enough to screw you up for the rest of your life.

Obsession is Nute
09-28-2008, 01:55 AM
She hates Kant's writings for a number of reasons. Primarily, as an objectivist, she subscribes to a conrete, objective reality, which Kant argues is entirely impossible. She has other reasons, but I have a harder time following.

I understand and appreciate her passion for a solid foundation of reality, but to be honest, you could argue in circles, over and over again from the perspective of any philosopher and not accomplish anything.

I am all about being entertained, happiness is my desired goal. More Toonces and less Kant!

Mad Slanted Powers
09-28-2008, 02:04 AM
How do we know anything is real? I could be dreaming all of this. Maybe our dreams are real and this is not real. We could be asleep like in The Matrix.

Obsession is Nute
09-28-2008, 02:16 AM
My girlfriend would lecture you for HOURS on senses and reality. Failing that, she would beat you over the head with a copy of Atlas Shrugged.

Philosophy is her thing, Star Wars and politics is mine. Lets get back to why we are all here...Star Wars!

Tycho
09-28-2008, 06:34 AM
:: Laughs. :: I LOVE this.

Topic Thread: "Are you ever depressed by your collection?"

Current items on the floor. Cats driving to get their own catfood and nude artwork.

I heartily contribute to off topicness, but the two subjects we are on are so off-the-wall it is awesome!


I laughed so hard when I read this! I haven't had so much fun in a thread like this in forever.

So are you ever depressed by your cats going around naked and quoting Kant?

Devo
09-29-2008, 11:12 AM
But what about those animals that have been around longer than us? Time hasn't given them a creative spark..

Again I'm no expert but its a case of some animals get all the luck. Theres all sorts of different factors involved to suggest why some animals stay much the same while others change. I just can't grasp why anyone would smell what they've just done in the toilet and think we are in some way special and not animals.

Old Fossil
09-29-2008, 12:15 PM
Again I'm no expert but its a case of some animals get all the luck. Theres all sorts of different factors involved to suggest why some animals stay much the same while others change. I just can't grasp why anyone would smell what they've just done in the toilet and think we are in some way special and not animals.

That's the beauty of religion: it allows you to profess belief in all kinds of wonderful, fantastic, crazy things.:laugh:

pbarnard
09-29-2008, 12:49 PM
Again I'm no expert but its a case of some animals get all the luck. Theres all sorts of different factors involved to suggest why some animals stay much the same while others change. I just can't grasp why anyone would smell what they've just done in the toilet and think we are in some way special and not animals.

The Red Queen hypothesis...ah Dawkins, the last thing you ever did in the lab before becoming a philosopher full time.

Mad Slanted Powers
09-29-2008, 06:21 PM
Again I'm no expert but its a case of some animals get all the luck. Theres all sorts of different factors involved to suggest why some animals stay much the same while others change. I just can't grasp why anyone would smell what they've just done in the toilet and think we are in some way special and not animals.Some animals get all the luck? We seem to be the only one that got the luck. We're special because we built a toilet and a sewer system to take care of it.

Blue2th
09-29-2008, 07:02 PM
I am depressed that our high-riding days of getting action figures might be coming to a close. :cry:

Obsession is Nute
09-29-2008, 10:02 PM
I know, Blue2TH, the idea of there being no new Star Wars toys really depresses me! Although, it might force me to learn a new skill, like sculpting...maybe then I will FINALLY have my ROTS Nute Gunray!!!

I am not too worried about it happening in the near future. George and pals seem pretty intent on giving us new material, and with it young cash-rich fans. They will hopefully swell our ranks or at the very least sustain us for a few more years.

Here is an interesting thought for side discussion...What percent of people, do you guys, that become fans, eventually (like over a few years) drop out of the habit VS the people that go on to continue collecting for decades?

Also, I am not concerned about the line dying because I thought I read something last year that Hasbro renewed their liscense with Lucas until 2016 or something of that sort. I am sure that is not a gaurentee to PRODUCE actions figures, but still, it is comforting to know Hasbro was intent on keeping dibs on the franchise until then.

Devo
09-30-2008, 09:16 AM
I know, Blue2TH, the idea of there being no new Star Wars toys really depresses me!

I'd think it was a pity about what figures we didn't get before the line ended but I'd be relieved on the other hand. Of course I'd probably just find something else to spend my money on instead of doing the sensible thing and saving.



Some animals get all the luck? We seem to be the only one that got the luck. We're special because we built a toilet and a sewer system to take care of it.

Essentially I'm only debating the opinion that humans are not members of the animal kingdom. I think it shouldn't be up for debate in the first place. It was a few pages back but I'm pretty sure it came up. I accept that we are special animals as we build our toilets and most of the time use those to dispense with our bodily waste.

Old Fossil
09-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Essentially I'm only debating the opinion that humans are not members of the animal kingdom. I think it shouldn't be up for debate in the first place. It was a few pages back but I'm pretty sure it came up. I accept that we are special animals as we build our toilets and most of the time use those to dispense with our bodily waste.

Yup. Even birds will carry away waste from their nest.

Blue2th
09-30-2008, 11:07 AM
If you think about it, we could be human-animal hybrids.

Tycho
09-30-2008, 11:17 AM
I'm liking some of the things Nute has contributed to this thread.


I know, Blue2TH, the idea of there being no new Star Wars toys really depresses me! Although, it might force me to learn a new skill, like sculpting...maybe then I will FINALLY have my ROTS Nute Gunray!!!

Those of us into diorama building have a lot of "work" to do in this hobby, beyond what Hasbro, and subsequently Toys R Us, can provide for us.

- many of us need to buy a large home, or take the steps to work up to one. That is definitely (when a carefully planned finance) something that cannot hurt us - as we'll gain value in our equity and much of it motivated by our "stupid hobby."

- then a lot of us need to spend money and time on purchasing protective enclosures for our display scenes and doing the creative / artisitic work to establish the context and tone with which they are displayed.

To keep with the original topic of this thread: the pursuit of being able to afford the real estate and then subsequently craft the displays that we really want to showcase our purchases, might all be frought with failures and set-backs, and then long paths to our achieving success. Part of the journey will undoubtedly involve dealing with depression. I think that's only natural.

The whole process is related to someone's savings, earnings, career advancement, and achievements in education.

So hold on: I've just established that your success with your Star Wars collection mirrors your success in life.

So wait a minute: now how much you could enjoy your Star Wars collection is actually related to how well you do in school, at work, and with your personal finances. (Everything we already discussed about marriage and family only serving to complicate this further).


I am not too worried about it happening in the near future. George and pals seem pretty intent on giving us new material, and with it young cash-rich fans. They will hopefully swell our ranks or at the very least sustain us for a few more years.

I disagree. With capitalism's latest economic set-back, I don't think we're due for a new "cash-rich" generation. Maybe, as inheritences pass through - but remember, investments and retirement planning just took a big hit. Now we'll have to watch to see if a majority of people hang in there, or are forced to (or emotionally influenced to) liquidate.


Here is an interesting thought for side discussion...What percent of people, do you guys, that become fans, eventually (like over a few years) drop out of the habit VS the people that go on to continue collecting for decades?

Well, I'm not "a collector." I saw the POTF2 stuff and loved it, wanting to badly to build dioramas. I purchase with thought only to my dioramas. I won't "collect" Luke Skywalker just because he's got a new sculpt with a moisture vaporator (the TAC figure looks like Phil Collins and I don't want it just for the sake of completing any collection - that's not why I'm into this stuff.)

So I'd say I'll never quit, but I stopped buying Darth Vader a long time ago. Let the line re-card him, re-sculpt him, whatever the marketing geniuses think they need to do. I don't need any of the main character figures really - at least not re-dos of the same versions I already have. So I'll stick around and pick up Young Owen and Young Beru for example (3 of each probably) and ignore the rest.

I never started "collecting," so I can't really quit. I'll just always be watching to see if I can buy something I like.


Also, I am not concerned about the line dying because I thought I read something last year that Hasbro renewed their liscense with Lucas until 2016 or something of that sort. I am sure that is not a gaurentee to PRODUCE actions figures, but still, it is comforting to know Hasbro was intent on keeping dibs on the franchise until then.

2018 actually. I honestly do wish the best of luck to them. Their success is my success, as one thing I DO collect from them is stock shares and it's made me money. Along with that, the obscure characters I want to fill in my dioramas - like Red Leader and Wioslea will get produced as long as Darth Vader keeps selling.

I'm depressed when I think of the large amount of stuff I have in storage - which I didn't inventory and pack even (due to my nearly being declared dead!) and what stuff might carry old batteries, and how many AT-STs legs might be bent.

I'm depressed because I need to get through my health challenges (like a kidney transplant) before I can deal with a large real estate purchase - which will provide me with the space in order to organize everything I have in storage and build my dioramas.

I'm excited and living for the chance to do and correct all that lies immediately above (amongst other things in life).

I don't intend to let anything stand in my way (nor complicate it).

Blue2th
09-30-2008, 11:27 AM
That's what my original comment was about that you mentioned Tycho.
That the peoples finances and the way things are going could all come to an end within months if not a few years.
In other words economic factors. Not to mention figures are already going up in price because of the cost of materials and labor, and China's emerging middle class.

Darth Jax
09-30-2008, 10:00 PM
all i can say is i'm glad i gave up on this thread about 10 pages ago

Obsession is Nute
10-01-2008, 11:12 AM
Tycho, I agree that in the event of an economic depression or collapse, the survival of Star Wars toys is not likely to be a major concern for most. However, I am not that concerned because in our age of Keynesian intervention economics, an economic depression would likely only occur in the event that the Federal Government was not longer solvent due to a complete failure of the dollar. Nobody would benefit from this, rich or poor, foriegn or domestic, so I would imagine the intervention of foriegn governments with more credit to prop up their export markets to stave off recession or depression (US). If that did not work, this would be because American debt was so collassal that even the wealth of other world powers could not temporarily absolve it or because the foriegn monetary units were also worthless because of their own economic issues.

Also, when I mentioned young "cash-rich" individuals, I was referring to the ages of say 8-18. Children and teens that have few or no financial obligations but still consume or have consumer activity done on their behalf. You should take the term "cash-rich" with a a grain of salt, remember the days when you thought $20.00 was a big deal? For a 8 year old, that can be a big deal, or at least it was for me back in the 90's.

Qui-Long Gone
10-01-2008, 02:14 PM
all i can say is i'm glad i gave up on this thread about 10 pages ago

That's be best comment EVAR. lol

Blue2th
10-01-2008, 02:31 PM
Yeah, but you guys keep coming back for a peek. :rolleyes:

Qui-Long Gone
10-01-2008, 02:33 PM
That's what cracked me up about his comment!lol

Tycho
10-01-2008, 03:09 PM
I'm trying to remember what (if any) were the clues that Darth Jax was no longer liking the direction of this thread?

Mad Slanted Powers
10-01-2008, 06:57 PM
For me, this page is just starting the 10th page with this post. You need to increase your posts per page.