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jeddah
02-16-2002, 05:56 PM
*posts trembling*

In another forum of which I am a member, I was reading a recent thread where a guy was selling a supercool custom display of his Rebel and Imp AF fleet. He'd used the DS base-plates from the AMT/ERTL TIE display to mount his ships and was now asking what people thought about them.

Near the bottom of the thread a regular member posted the following;

Hey! Those are my ships! I worked at Galoob in the good ol' days of Action Fleet, and those are my babies. I still have prototypes of them. You would not believe the level of detail the original models have. The Sandcrawler, Slave 1, and the Millennium Falcon almost make your eyes hurt just looking at them. The Micro Machine protos are even more impressive.

One year we made an AF scale Death Star trench display for Toy Fair. It was awesome!

It's up to Hasbro, but new Action Fleet ships and two playsets for Episode 2 have been designed and prototyped. For the most part, the ships are taken directly from the ILM CG models. Hasbro is now going to take a "wait and see" approach to size up the appetite for E2 merchandise before they fully commit to the new line. We busted our *** to get the protos ready for Toy Fair only to have them kept in the conference room (along with the other "on the fence" toys) to show only to the larger buyers. Next thing you know, they'll ship 'em off to the Land of the Misfit Freakin' Toys. Hasbro b******s!

I have emailed the member and asked them (read "begged") to pop in for a visit to answer some questions... I hope the answer is yes

jeddah:kiss:
*ps:- probably best not to mention my comments on the B-wing and Imp Shuttle* ;)

JediTricks
02-18-2002, 09:03 AM
I can't wait to see Hasbro's reply... oh wait, I have. Every time I write to Hasbro as a customer, I get the same generic replies, sometimes word-for-word.

I hope Hasbro makes the right choice about AF and I hope they do it soon.

RobertDD
02-18-2002, 09:44 AM
Its not Hasbro he's written too or heard from!

JediTricks
02-19-2002, 02:01 AM
Ah yes, I see that now. I wonder what we'll hear of this.

jeddah
02-19-2002, 02:01 PM
more news on this;



Hi.

Possibly. Do you have any specific questions? I have a strong bond with
those that love AF and MM's. One thing, I can't talk about the new AF
(fingers crossed), I actually should not have even brought it up on the board.

Thanks.


So, any questions? Let me know and I'll email them.

jeddah

britcit3
02-19-2002, 03:27 PM
Hey Jeddah

What is the other board that you're checking out?

Cheers

Britcit

good shot jansen
02-19-2002, 05:25 PM
i have some quextions!

who developed the concept of issuing the series alpha? the episode I series alpha's are some of the most amazing toys ever made (paerticularly cause they were made full sized, as opposed to the classic sa's where the prototype was x-ray size) these are definately the most original toy concept in the entire star wars toy world!

also, i always felt that the entire galoob line was detailed far more than any other toy out there, how were the prototypes even more intricately detailed than the released versions?

were there ever plans to make more of the epic collections. it seemed as though the epic collections were going to cover full trilogies before they were cancelled. if so, were prototypes of other ships from the expanded universe novels ever made?

were there any prototypes made of other expanded universe ships for the action fleet line? other than the virago, e-wing, and tie defender (such as the outrider, ig 2000, hounds tooth, etc......)

r2dee2
02-19-2002, 07:47 PM
jeddah, He may not be "up" on the
packaging differences but on the off chance he does know, I'd really be interested in knowing the reason for the little battle droid emblem on the bottom of the first edition Episode I MM vehicle and figure collections. Comparisons found here. (http://www.twinsuntimes.com/toyforce/mmvehiclecoll.htm)

jeddah
02-20-2002, 02:58 PM
Questions duly sent

:)

jeddah

jeddah
02-23-2002, 06:01 AM
I have the reply :happy: His replies are bolderised :) I could've wept blood when I saw the reply regarding Outrider...

who developed the concept of issuing the series alpha? the episode I series
alpha's are some of the most amazing toys ever made (paerticularly cause
they were made full sized, as opposed to the classic sa's where the
prototype was x-ray size) these are definately the most original toy
concept
in the entire star wars toy world!

Actually, I don't recall that decision, but I'm pretty sure it was Jim. He
was REALLY into the artwork behind the designs. Like myself, he has an
industrial design background. The art aspect was DEFINITELY Jim's strength.
He also forged a relationship with original trilogy designer Ralph
McQuarrie. We were even able to watch Episide 1 with Ralph about a week
before it opened in theaters.

I too liked the fact that the E1 Alphas were created in full size.
Actually, the proto original trilogy Alpha ships were created in the same
scale as the other AF ships. As a cost cutting measure, they were scaled
down. A friend of mine still has the complete set of AF scale protos
(Imperial Shuttle, X-Wing, AT-AT, Snowspeeder, B-Wing, Y-wing, and the Cloud
Car). They are very nice, with very neat paint jobs. He is REALLY into the
Alpha stuff, so he will be thanking me for those until the end of time.

A note on E1 Alphas... What is now being touted as the unproduced
"Sebulba's Pod" Alpha was actually going to include a smaller representation
of Neeva Kee's Pod - not Sebulba's. I believe it was going to be sold
simply as a "Pod Racer" rather than Sebulba's Pod.


also, i always felt that the entire galoob line was detailed far more than
any other toy out there, how were the prototypes even more intricately
detailed than the released versions?

Great question! Damn, the protos are WORKS OF ART! They are all modeled,
painted and constructed by hand, and EVERY detail is sharp. They were
produced at the old Galoob manufacturing facility overseas known then as
"Galco." It was a VERY tight shop. While I have never been there, I am
told that there are areas that even guest from our facility were not allowed
to enter. I other words, they kept their prototyping process a secret.
It has been suggested by someone "in the know," that the original sculpts
and models for the AF and MM ships and figures were carved out of ivory.
That would not go over very well if it got out.

Anyway, details are SO sharp, they blow your mind. The MM ships....I can't
even describe them! Unfortunatelly, the softer plastics used on the
production pieces have a difficult time capturing the details. They also
include features that were not incorperated into the production toys.

The figures in particular are beyond belief. The proto AF figure of Han
Solo actually looks like Harrison Ford! The production piece, on the other
hand, looks like a flesh colored glob of paint with some brown paint added
for hair. I think it all comes down to the detail definition.

One more note... I have also noticed that almost none of the small details
on the protos match up to the production toys, and almost all of the AF
figures are completely different. It is almost as if they made all new
models and sculpts for the production process. Very weird.



were there ever plans to make more of the epic collections. it seemed as
though the epic collections were going to cover full trilogies before they
were cancelled. if so, were prototypes of other ships from the expanded
universe novels ever made?

I really can't help you out with this one all that much. Micros really did
not involve too much design. We would simply give Galco a picture of the
ship and/or the character and they would go from there. One fun aspect of
the micro figures is that we would send them various photographs of Galoob
employees in various poses to serve as a reference for the pose that we
wanted the figure to come in. I guess there's a little bit of us in those
tiny figures.

There were concepts drawn up for E1 "Epic type" toys. They were to be
shaped like books, and when you opened the book, it would reveal a
transforming playset complete with MM ships and figures. They never made it
past the concept stage.

were there any prototypes made of other expanded universe ships for the
action fleet line? other than the virago, e-wing, and tie defender (such as
the outrider, ig 2000, hounds tooth, etc......)"

We did draw up an Outrider, but it did not make it past that. Once we
obtained the Episode 1 license, a number of original trilogy projects were
shelved. This is why the last wave of Action Fleet is so hard to come by.
Everyone, including production, was simply gearing up for E1.


jeddah, He may not be "up" on the
packaging differences but on the off chance he does know, I'd really be
interested in knowing the reason for the little battle droid emblem on the
bottom of the first edition Episode I MM vehicle and figure collections.
Comparisons found here;
http://www.twinsuntimes.com/toyforce/mmvehiclecoll.htm


Yep, you're right. The packaging and the design were two different
departments - sorry. What I did love were the various foreign exclusive
packaging variations. The one that really stands out is the "blister box"
for the transforming head playets. Now those were slick!

He's also asked for the WWW of the forum so hopefully he'll drop in.

If you're reading this Mr Glitch, THANK YOU

:) :) :)

jeddah

good shot jansen
02-23-2002, 09:48 AM
bises upon bises til the end of time for finding this guy!!!!!!!!!

these are some of the best dayum posts since the posts of jkf (jim fong, lead designer for micro machines in the old days of galoob) on the buzz!

finally, the 1st answer that makes sense to the question of what da heck happened to distribution of the last classic af's!

i will think of more questions later, i just wanted to thank you so much jeddah for finding someone from the old days of galoob who's willing to give us a few moments of his time!




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RobertDD
02-23-2002, 10:21 AM
This is a great post! Waht a source of information. I can only agree with GSJ and thank you, Jeddah!

As for the prototype figs, I happen to have a prototype fig of the tie fighter pilot with the George Lucas head and I can confirm that the likeness between the figure and GL is awesome. Also, the details on the suit and the removable helmet are mindblowing and do not match up with the figure that actually came with the tie interceptor at all. The paint job is so good you can count individual hairs in george's moustache.
Finally, the proto fig is about 10% bigger than the final figure. It is made out of some kind of hard plastic, not ivory, which suggest to me that it must be a cast from a (ivory?) sculpt and there might be more of these around (but I would think not too much more). It has been suggested to me that these proto's where the ones used for the trade shows like toyfair and perhaps for the picture on the back of the box (but mine is not the pic on the back of the box for sure!)

jeddah
02-24-2002, 05:33 AM
..but I hope he comes to say Hi himself as he's the real treat not moi.

:kiss:

jeddah

jeddah
02-28-2002, 01:10 PM
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