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indyjones1981
09-18-2008, 12:06 AM
Fellow IJ Hasbro toy line collectors and fans. We need to start an online petition, send in letters by US mail to Hasbro Corporate HQ and call the Hasbro Corporate Offices. The Marketing/PR Dept or Customer Relations/Service to voice our complaint about the supposed canceling of this line. Even call and send letters to Lucasfilm/Lucas Licensing to voice our complaint/concern. Maybe if we can get enough people to take action we can get the last Raiders wave made and on to stores. That wave looked to be the best wave out of them all. They tease us with the pics at Comic Con and disappoint us with supposed rumors of this wave being shelved.

The original Kenner line at least lasted 2 years from 1982 to 1983. Yeah I had some issues with the current IJ line but overall it was very cool and long over due. Time to get Indy creator and savvy business man George Lucas involved. Perhaps he could redo his licensing contract for Indy with Hasbro. He has the power to save this line himself. Perhaps he could take less of a licensing fee to help this line continue. If the IJ line ends sooner than expected he also looses out on additional money. I can’t see a savvy business man like George Lucas not trying to work out some type of deal or something. Perhaps just finish up the last wave from Raiders that was shown and then pull the plug for this line or do a few additional waves from the other movies. Anyone have any thoughts? Am I crazy or just someone who is a passionate Indy fan/collector?

bigbarada
09-18-2008, 12:47 AM
History has shown that these kinds of petitions do little to no good at all; but if someone sets it up, I'll sign it.

sebillba
09-18-2008, 12:22 PM
Someone on RS has drafted an email and provided a couple of addresses to send it to. I doubt very much they'll listen to us, but it takes no effort to copy and paste the email, so there's no harm in trying. Here's the link: http://threads.rebelscum.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=3411463&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=93&fpart=1#3411463

pbarnard
09-18-2008, 01:30 PM
Fellow IJ Hasbro toy line collectors and fans. We need to start an online petition, send in letters by US mail to Hasbro Corporate HQ and call the Hasbro Corporate Offices. The Marketing/PR Dept or Customer Relations/Service to voice our complaint about the supposed canceling of this line. Even call and send letters to Lucasfilm/Lucas Licensing to voice our complaint/concern. Maybe if we can get enough people to take action we can get the last Raiders wave made and on to stores. That wave looked to be the best wave out of them all. They tease us with the pics at Comic Con and disappoint us with supposed rumors of this wave being shelved.

The original Kenner line at least lasted 2 years from 1982 to 1983. Yeah I had some issues with the current IJ line but overall it was very cool and long over due. Time to get Indy creator and savvy business man George Lucas involved. Perhaps he could redo his licensing contract for Indy with Hasbro. He has the power to save this line himself. Perhaps he could take less of a licensing fee to help this line continue. If the IJ line ends sooner than expected he also looses out on additional money. I can’t see a savvy business man like George Lucas not trying to work out some type of deal or something. Perhaps just finish up the last wave from Raiders that was shown and then pull the plug for this line or do a few additional waves from the other movies. Anyone have any thoughts? Am I crazy or just someone who is a passionate Indy fan/collector?

He could, but his genius was coming up with the idea of licensing the figures to begin with. Lucas himself has no concept on things like case assortments, sculpting, figure design etc. Plus, I don't think Lucas would want to renegotiate the license because he wouldn't want to give back any money that Hasbro has already paid to secure it. Lucas has been paid, he's back at Skywalker Ranch.

This is Microeconomics 101, supply and demand. There comes a point where there's too much supply, no/not enough demand, that's it's just smarter to shut it all down and not make anything.

If subsequent waves were made, they're sitting around someplace in a warehouse next to the Ark of the Covenant probably. Hasbro will try to find some one somewhere to take them off their hands, dumping them onto the market as an exclusive some day.

Indy as a line doesn't have that long of a life due to a lack of sheer volume of characters, and citing 30 year old facts doesn't mean those same facts apply to today with regards to the toy industry and how long things have a shelf life.

Think for a second about the films. Indy's true foes were the archeological wonders he's going after. The human villians were only there to complicate the finding of the piece, not really true foes. It's the lack of playsets with highly interacive obstacles and traps that really dragged the line down. So what if a kid has an Indiana Jones, he has no ancient strong hold to try and escape from with a priceless artifact.

DarkArtist
09-18-2008, 02:19 PM
i'd sign a petition just to see the line continue till we get some of the really cool characters. i would even suggest mail-aways of Brody, and maybe even Donovon to keep the collectors intrigued.

sadly Hasbro needs to understand yes it's a toy geared for kids but toy collecting and buying is mainly falling into the hands of the adults who have grown up watching their favorite characters battle out on the screen. i mean i liked Indy IV and Mutt was ok but do we really need 3 different versions of him. Yes indy is the star of the series however do we need various different sculpts of the same character that maybe has one minor detail different then the rest (Vader comes to mind here as well.)

i think Hasbro really needs to have an online store that is always fully stocked, for those of us who can't find the figures we're looking for and perhaps Hasbro needs to rethink how to pack a case. instead of 3 Mutts and 3 Indy's maybe one of each character so there is enough for everyone. also stop packing in the same characters with different waves, i mean i know you need to have core characters but the Last Crusade wave should have been all Last Crusade and maybe 1 Indy.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-18-2008, 03:15 PM
Well, what other characters do you guys want that would justify continuing the line? The rest is literally just a lot of boring old men (and the occasional woman). Come to think of it, most of the line has been just that . . .

bigbarada
09-18-2008, 09:30 PM
The rest is literally just a lot of boring old men (and the occasional woman). Come to think of it, most of the line has been just that . . .

That simple fact is what guarantees that any Indiana Jones toy line, no matter how ingeniously marketed, will never have a long life in the toy aisle.

I don't really understand how this new movie was supposed to make young kids fans of Indiana Jones. All a kid sees on the screen is a 60-year-old man running around in a brown suit. He looked even older and more feeble than Sean Connery did in Last Crusade.

There's just nothing there for kids to latch onto, especially when the other options in the theater are Iron Man, Batman and Incredible Hulk.

I wish they had started releasing the Indy figures back around Christmas time 2007, this way we could have gotten a couple of waves of figures from each of the first three films before the Crystal Skull figures started to hit the stores.

Rik Duel
09-19-2008, 12:02 AM
That's exactly why they should just let it go on a little longer. It's SO close to being a great complete set. It can't be good P.R. to abruptly kill a line that they were very recently hyping and blame it on everybody else. Doing 10 or 12 more figures seems like a small price to pay to appear a little classy and not alienate thousands of customers (a lot of whom are also loyal Star Wars buyers).

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-19-2008, 02:36 AM
Name me five possible unmade figures that aren't old people or generic soldiers.

Engineernerd
09-19-2008, 07:44 AM
Name me five possible unmade figures that aren't old people or generic soldiers.

From Raiders:

Dietrich (the German commander that has the melting face)
Barrnca (The guy Indy whips in the opening sequence)
Katanga (Captain of the ship)
Jock (Pilot of the sea plane)

And Just so you could have an Indy in ever wave:

Indy in a bath robe (Packing scene)
Indy in a suit (class room scene)

I'd be just as likely to buy any of them as I would a character like Bane Malar.

Old Fossil
09-19-2008, 08:59 AM
I would add, from Last Crusade:

fat Boy Scout (with bugle)
spectacled Indian
"Fedora"

(These would go well with the young Indy figure we already have.)

Kazzim (he has been mentioned before here)(with removable shirt!)
Elsa (Berlin outfit)

and for your Indy in every wave:

Indy in Nazi Officer's uniform

I LOVE the idea of these (and the Raiders figures you mentioned, Engineernerd), but they'd never do well en masse at Wal-Mart.

sebillba
09-19-2008, 09:01 AM
The ROTLA wave already previewed had five figures that are neither old men or generic soldiers:

Indy in German disguise
Marion in white dress
Toht (he's not that old, is he?)
German Mechanic
Satipo

And if Toht is classed as an old man, how about Maharajah Singh?!

And as for more Indys, don't forget Club Obi-Wan Indy in white tux.... this had previously been "confirmed" for wave 2 next year.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-19-2008, 02:03 PM
From Raiders:

Dietrich (the German commander that has the melting face)
Barrnca (The guy Indy whips in the opening sequence)
Katanga (Captain of the ship)
Jock (Pilot of the sea plane)

And Just so you could have an Indy in ever wave:

Indy in a bath robe (Packing scene)
Indy in a suit (class room scene)

I'd be just as likely to buy any of them as I would a character like Bane Malar.
See, the fact that you had to give explanations for these characters means that the general public will have no idea who they are. With SW background characters, they are all at least visually interesting; here, it's just random guys who are not even immediately recognizable as being from Indiana Jones.


I LOVE the idea of these (and the Raiders figures you mentioned, Engineernerd), but they'd never do well en masse at Wal-Mart.
I agree. I think the line had a good run . . . sure, you could make a Maharajah, a fat boy scout, and a second Elsa, but is anyone - answer honestly - chomping at the bit to have these? I feel they really hit the main highlights here already and it would be all downhill from here.

bigbarada
09-19-2008, 04:32 PM
I think they could stand to do one more wave of each of the original three films, but after that it's just more version of Indy combined with characters that are just not recognizable enough to carry an entire wave.

Rik Duel
09-19-2008, 09:24 PM
Well sure, none of these figures, including Indy, are really up any modern-day kids' alley, so forget 'em. All I ever see buying toys (G.I. Joe and hot wheels for sure and Star Wars most of the time) are sweaty fat guys anyway. Let Indy have a crack at that awful market share!

Engineernerd
09-19-2008, 10:03 PM
See, the fact that you had to give explanations for these characters means that the general public will have no idea who they are. With SW background characters, they are all at least visually interesting; here, it's just random guys who are not even immediately recognizable as being from Indiana Jones.


I can tell you before their figures I couldn't have told you the names of Bane Malar, Ak-Rev or Umpass Stay. They all have less screen time than any of the Indy figures mentioned here. And with Bane Malar, there's not even enough of him in the film to tell if he matches the figure.

I also disagree, I think there are number of people that would know who Jock is. He's actually mentioned by name in the film with Reggie (I'll leave off the description, y'all know who he is.)

As a side note, Mrs. Nerd has had a better idea of who the Indy figures have been that most of the SW figures.

Neuroleptic
09-19-2008, 10:50 PM
You know, the moment this line got announced, I looked at the figures, and decided to get only two of em, then call it quits. And those two are only for a custom fig I'm making.

I never did see this line making it very far. I expected it to hold out maybe until the holidays this year, and perhaps early next year. Like others said, you pretty much only have ONE main character to work with, a few co stars from each film, a hand full of baddies, and that's it. Shows over. There just aren't enough characters to keep the line alive, even if there were enough buyers (which judging by how many of these I see on shelves around here, there just aren't).

They gave it a go, and they really did give it a good shot. They covered the main hitting points, and I think Hasbro is right in bowing out gracefully before we reach the point where these things sit on the clearance shelf for the next six years if they don't already.

This line was mostly made to cash in on the new movie. After that, any money they got was a bonus. I doubt Hasbro ever expected the line to survive even as long as it did. They mostly seemed to use it for training purposes for a new factory (Did they ever work out the problems with painting these figures?).

Look on the bright side. They can now put there focus back on star wars, and this year they didn't exactly do all that bad.

In short, I hate to be a spoil sport guys, but this line was doomed from the start.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
09-20-2008, 12:44 AM
I can tell you before their figures I couldn't have told you the names of Bane Malar, Ak-Rev or Umpass Stay. They all have less screen time than any of the Indy figures mentioned here. And with Bane Malar, there's not even enough of him in the film to tell if he matches the figure.
I knew the drummers, but I'd never heard of Bane Malar (or seen him). Nevertheless, they all have that "Star Wars look" about them. Hell, in the vintage days, the figures didn't even have real names and they were still recognizable.

Let me put it this way - if you were a kid, who'd only seen the Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies once each (or, hell, not at all), would you rather have an alien in a cool costume with a cool gun or a generic man with generic accessories?

Even in the Star Wars line, "boring" figures don't tend to do well (see: Malakili, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, Neimoidian Warrior, Lushros Dofine, Rebel Honor Guard, Imperial Officer). The Indiana Jones is almost nothing BUT boring figures, unless you're a really diehard Indy fan.

I agree with everything Neuroleptic said.

bigbarada
09-20-2008, 01:06 AM
Not every movie translates well into action figure based toy lines. As pbarnard said earlier, this line should have been focused on environments for the figures to interact with.

The strength of the Indiana Jones movies is their real world feel despite dealing with artifacts that carry supernatural powers. While that works great for the movies, it simply doesn't translate into compelling action figures for kids who are bombarded with colorful monsters, spaceships and giant robots every time they turn on the TV.

mm74md
09-22-2008, 01:24 PM
I don't see how this line could go on (although I'd like to see some other figures) with every single store still sitting on the first few waves.

My son used some of his birthday money to buy the Indy with horse and the german truck. Even though he has seen the movies (except Temple of Doom) he has no desire to ask for these or buy on his own. Most 8 year old boys feel the same way.

Neuroleptic
09-22-2008, 01:47 PM
While wandering my local Wal Mart today, I decided to look and see what they had on the shelf for Indiana Jones while I was searching through Star Wars stuff.

I didn't even find the Jones section.