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never_ending_fett
02-20-2009, 10:30 AM
I've been working on this for 8-10 months on and off...well mostly off...I haven't touched it in 6-7 months until recently. The prospect of getting more cantina figures in the current wave got me excited about it again. I was kinda "stuck" in the building phase partially and I was just tired of working on it. I'm back in full swing working on it and I have since found these forums and all of the great work that's done here and thought I'd share and also allow some critique to help me along the way.

Let me preface this with the fact that this is the first diorama I have built and I didn't find very many resources as to how to do it so I've been more or less "winging" it since the beginning so keep that in mind

The idea is for it to be the full cantina, inside and out scaled to the figures. Each wall of 3 alcoves will be removable, as well as the roof and possibly the dome over the foyer will be removable to be able to see in and take pictures etc.

I started out with the floorplan as drawn by Jason at Cantinacustoms. That site has been my "go-to" source for all things cantina related from the beginning of this project. I scaled up the floorplans and then photoshopped a 1" by 1" grid over the top so I could line it up correctly. I then printed it out in sections. After cutting out where I needed to trace (I sometimes needed to print the same section more than once to cut different sections out for this) I traced the whole thing onto 4 20x30 sheets of foam core; which makes the base 40x60, with some room at the front for the outside as seen in the movie.

After getting the whole thing traced, I then glued down sand (very amaturish compared to what I've seen on this site, I know) everywhere inside the cantina where the floor would be and then glued the plastic grate (the same sewing form that Daigo_Bah and others have used) over the top of the sand. I also built the steps leading up to the foyer and the foyer itself higher using foam core.

From there I started building up the walls of the foyer and some of the outside using styrofoam.

I think that brings us up to the first set of progress pictures. The descriptions are above the picture it corresponds to:


Here you can see the grate glued down over the sand and the built up foyer area.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_18971.JPG


and an arial view to see the most of it traced out with the grateing glued down over the sand. At this point not all the grating was down. Also you can kindof see where I elevated the bandstand a little.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_19021.JPG

here's a close-up of the grating with the sand under it. I stuck Ponda in for scale reference and to see what the arm would look like on it after it's cut off. I plan on pooring more sand to fill in the holes a little and then spraying some sort of adhesive over the top to hold it in....eventually if I ever get done with the rest http://threads.rebelscum.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_19032.JPG

here you can see the beginning of the structure of the foyer and parts of the exterior.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_19071.JPG

here is the beginning of the exterior including the front door
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_19092.JPG


more of the exterior including the curved are. You can see drawn onto the base where the jut outs of the wall will be where the pack animal is tied in the movie. Those will be added to the exterior stucture later.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_19111.JPG

here's the start of the back/right 2 alcoves including the bandstand and the one luke gets knocked into. I've stuck a couple of bith in for scale reference and to see how it looks. You can also see Greedo sitting on the outcropping of the arch...it's the wrong alcove but he's there just for reference.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_20125.JPG


here you can see how the structure of the alcoves is made.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_20152.JPG

here you can see how the section of alcoves lifts up
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_20164.JPG

the inside of the section of alcoves...the inside arch in one of the alcoves was not in place yet
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/IMG_20192.JPG


that was virtually all the progress that was made up until recently. I had made part of the back wall, the angled alcove on the same wall, and the other 3 alcoves, which because of how they were stored for 6ish months had to be rebuilt anyway.

The next post will show the progress I've made since restarting to work on it.

never_ending_fett
02-20-2009, 10:35 AM
Here you can see where I have covered the foam core in dry-wall spackle and painted it, including the stripes which have been misted over, a technique I stole from Daigo-Bah. I've also started the preliminary work on the bar itself and the base of the distillery. I've also stuck some figures in for scale and because I wanted to see how they look. You can also see the PVC connector pieces I'll be using for tables.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09631.jpg

different angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09661.jpg

part of the back wall this is with the "han shoots greedo" side alcoves removed to see in for better angles. You can see part of the inner workings of the "working" back door that slides open. Also there's my first custom that I've made for the cantina; the infamous "cantina dude"
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09681.jpg

different angle of the bar, you can see into the back rooms as well as one of the stools and the start of a table.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09701.jpg

another angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09711.jpg

another angle. here you can see the start of the archway into the foyer, I again stole the texture of the arch from Daigo-Bah.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09731.jpg

a shot looking down into the cantina...the one side is still removed
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09751.jpg

the "han shoots greedo" side removed, by itself. You can see the "chair rail"/molding above where the chairs will be on the inside of the alcoves.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09771.jpg

this shows having both sections of removable alcoves in place. You can see the backdoor area with the door closed and parts of the inside of the structure of the alcoves still open for access to install the lights when I get to it.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09841.jpg

a more arial view, you can see pretty much everything that's done up to this poing
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09852.jpg

a view towards han and greedo. Han is sitting one of the stools that ben and luke use during their negotiation with Han (since the chairs aren't made yet). Greedo is where he is supposed to be, on the outcrop of the arch. You can see the thickness of the walls is scaled to the size of the figures based on Greedo sitting there.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN09861.jpg

a view from the front to the back
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0988.jpg

a different angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0990.jpg


That's all the pictures and all the progress I have to this point. Over the weeked I'd like to try and get the bar and the base of the distillery done, get the tables made, string the lights for the tables, and start on the foyer. How much of that gets done who knows but that's the plan for now.

Let me know what you all think of the progress so far. I know I've got a long way to go and there's a lot of clean-up work and touch ups that need to be done, other than that critique away! I'd love some suggestions as to ways to improve and what other next steps I should take. Like I said, this is my first dio I've built so keep that in mind :)

Kidhuman
02-20-2009, 10:51 AM
Looks real nice

DarkArtist
02-20-2009, 06:44 PM
that's some really cool work. nice job

Droid
02-20-2009, 08:22 PM
That's awesome! I hope to do a much more simple cantina diorama myself someday. I will take almost a diorma view, where the wall is removed from the outside and you're kind of just looking in and everyone just so happens to be looking the same direction so you can see the front of the figures.

Let me know how you make the distillery. If Hasbro never produces one, I intend to.

Please keep posting pictures of your progress.

Slicker
02-21-2009, 02:15 AM
Holy carp! That things ginormous.*























*that's what she said...

never_ending_fett
02-21-2009, 02:47 PM
Holy carp! That things ginormous.*



thanks.... :p

mabudonicus
02-23-2009, 09:23 AM
Pretty solid so far, can't wait to see it once you've smoothed out all the rough. Once you get moving on it, this kind of thing gets easier and easier. Keep us posted!!
:beard: Iso&Baws
THAT will be a PLAYset

pbarnard
02-23-2009, 10:42 AM
One thing I found that works better than sand and plaster or spackle to make stucco look is "popcorn" ceiling paint. Gives a nice rough texture, applies to most surfaces, and it takes spray paint so you have a pretty limitless color palette.

never_ending_fett
02-23-2009, 10:57 AM
I actually thought about using that, but couldn't find it at walmart when I was ready to start doing it. The thing is, if I would have waited to find the paint elswhere I may not have gotten around to working on it for months...just the way I am. When I put my mind to something there's no stopping me; but it's the putting my mind to it that's sometimes the issue lol.

You are right mabudonicus, the more that gets done the easier it is to work on since the finish line gets closer and the whole thing is easier to visualize as done which just spurs you on to do more.

never_ending_fett
02-23-2009, 02:15 PM
I didn't get near as much done over the weekend as I had hoped, hopefully some more tonight, but here's some of what I did get done.


We don't serve their kind here....your cat....it'll have to wait outside
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0991.jpg

OK that one wasn't so much progress as it was fun...

and a different angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0992.jpg

here you can see part of what I did get done over the weekend, the interior domed area of the foyer. This is part of the exterior structure that supports the dome on the inside.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1005.jpg

it's hard to tell exactly the shape of the inside of the dome, but it's hard to tell in the movie too, but I think I matched the shape pretty well. It's unpainted of course and the spackle hasn't been added to the lower section below the ledge where the chairs will go. You can also see where I need to fix the archway; reglue, re spackle, repaint...
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0998.jpg

a different angle, you can see where the wall where the droid detector will go isn't done yet
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN0999.jpg

the backside of the structure that forms the dome. It's formed by 4 foamcore arches and strips of chipboard sort of basketweaved and taped down. Then the inside was spackled
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1001.jpg

and a different angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1002.jpg

the inside of the dome structure, as you can see this portion is removable as well. The plan (I think) is to build the outer dome over this structure in a similar way so that the roof of the foyer is all one big piece leaving the foyer mostly how you see it in the progress shots before the dome was started (easy access, easier to pick up and move etc)
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1003.jpg

a little bit of scale reference of the dome structure
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/DSCN10041.jpg

I've got my wife working on making the tables while I work on the other things. I hope to get a good amount done today including the finished dome and several tables, don't know if I'll get pictures for tomorrow or not.

pbarnard
02-25-2009, 11:02 AM
What are you making the tables from?

never_ending_fett
02-25-2009, 01:48 PM
What are you making the tables from?

The tables you see in some of the progress pictures are nowhere near the finished product, I've changed the slats and they look alot better now...

The tables are made from 1 1/2" PVC connector pieces from lowes. The slats on the sides of the tables are strips of foamies from Walmart and hot glued on. (they were strips of foam core but it didn't cut very even and was too thick) The tops of the tables are foam core cut into a circle and set into the center of the PVC connector a little down from the top to make the ridge around the top of the table. The lights are plastic spacers I found at Lowes. I will have christmas lights strung up through the base and into the tables and into the plastic spacers. For all 13 tables I'm making it added up to less than $10 which is alot better than $8 a pop for the tables that come with Braniac. I'll get a side by side comparison pic of my tables and the Hasbro table and a picture of the individual pieces at some point soon.

pbarnard
02-25-2009, 01:54 PM
You just gave me an idea. And it works better than the Cantina Build article (he suggests PVC with PVC end caps). But using 2 varying sets of PVC chopped up and than filling in your own table top makes a lot more sense. GOOD IDEA.

never_ending_fett
02-26-2009, 10:39 AM
Time for some small updates


It needs some touch-ups, paint on the trim and some sanding and maybe filling in some of the pits but here's the base of the distillery
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_015.jpg

and probably paint the top to better match the sides...
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_014.jpg

The inside of the foyer is getting closer to completion. Not sure yet if I'll use the hasbro droid detector or build one.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_012.jpg

Some detail on the creation of the tables: I'm using 1 1/2" PVC connectors, gluing strips of foamies for the slats on the sides and putting a cutout piece of foamcore a little below the top to give the tabletop the ridge as seen in the movie and the hasbro version. Here you can see the size difference.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_001.jpg

here you can see what I'm using for the lights on the tables, plastic spacers from lowes. on the hasbro tables these would seem too big, no room for drinks on the table etc. With the pvc there's room for the light, drinks and a place to kick up your feet and relax, even if a bounty hunter is trying to kill you.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_004.jpg

Here we have Christmas lights strung underneath the base and through a couple of the tables. This is taken from the bandstand side with that wall of alcoves removed.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_016.jpg

a wider shot
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_019.jpg

taken from the distillery with the banstand side alcoves back in place
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_020.jpg

a romantic dinner for 2
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_022.jpg

that's all the progress pics for now.

up next is continued work on the foyer, my wife finishing making the tables (she's awesome!), fixing/redoing the bar, making the chairs for the alcoves and the foyer, wall details, the exterior of the foyer area/entrance including the dome, the list goes on and on. The more things there are to work on for this project the more it allows me to have a little ADD; work on this part awhile, work on something else...

let me know what you all think, areas to improve, ideas...

sebillba
02-26-2009, 10:51 AM
This is looking amazing - the lights really bring it to life. Awesome work! :thumbsup:

Droid
02-26-2009, 03:10 PM
I am really enjoying this. Thanks for sharing.

I am really interested in seeing what you do with the drink distillery.

never_ending_fett
02-26-2009, 04:25 PM
I am really enjoying this. Thanks for sharing.

I am really interested in seeing what you do with the drink distillery.

That'll probably be one of the last things I work on, cause frankly it kinda scares me lol

pbarnard
02-27-2009, 10:58 AM
That'll probably be one of the last things I work on, cause frankly it kinda scares me lol

Got an IG-88 head? Wire hangars? Thread spools? Marker Caps?

never_ending_fett
02-27-2009, 12:19 PM
I've got a pretty good idea of how I'm going to do it, and I know I need several IG-88 heads, I'm probably going to use wire hangers and DIY artificial flower stems. I don't just want to throw it together I'd like to get the "pipes" pretty close to screen accurate. There's also a couple other things there besides the IG-88 heads that I want to get closer to the real deal than just marker caps and spools. It can be done pretty easily, but I want to take my time and do it well...

Droid
02-27-2009, 12:47 PM
I don't just want to throw it together I'd like to get the "pipes" pretty close to screen accurate.

That's the problem I think. Every time I look at it I just see a big mess. I can't see how many pipes there really are and what hooks in to where.

pbarnard
02-27-2009, 12:53 PM
Just suggeting things that you can use as a base to build it up from there. I'm only aware of the one IG-88 head. Most of the rest can be done with spools and marker caps by creative use of spacing materials.

never_ending_fett
02-27-2009, 12:55 PM
Yeah, it's going to take some studying and comparing of different views, looking at screen shots, behind the scenes photos, and then there's the blueprints...

What I might do is open pictures in photoshop and trace one pipe in one color as far as possible then find the same one in other pictures and map each one out that way as best I can.

From what I can tell there are some pipes that run from the back wall, others from the ceiling, others from the base...it's a mess that's why I say it scares me a little lol

I've been making so much progress in the last few weeks I don't want to see that come to a screeching hault because I'm focusing on this detail...that's why I'm putting it off. I also only have one IG-88 head to use at this point...

never_ending_fett
02-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Just suggeting things that you can use as a base to build it up from there. I'm only aware of the one IG-88 head.


I'm pretty sure there's at least 4, maybe more.

never_ending_fett
02-27-2009, 01:02 PM
http://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/047462c0.jpg

this is the first pic on Jason's webpage if you want to check out the whole thing...

anyways there's at least 2 visable, one on each side of Wuher's head, and possibly a third just behind the one on the right, and I'm pretty sure it is based on other pictures that I don't want to dig up at the moment...

pbarnard
02-27-2009, 01:03 PM
Are you sure about the pipes from the back wall (which maybe a door depending on the source used)? Just asking because there are several things wrong with my cantina mostly due to budget so long term if I can ever set up a decent wood shop, it's going to get remade.

The simple way to get more IG-88 heads, find a customizer who does casts or learn to make a simple push mold out of sculpey and do the casts that way.

never_ending_fett
02-27-2009, 01:10 PM
There is definately an archway , but there are 3 or 4 pipes that connect above the arch.

I've thought about doing the push mold...again when I get closer to being done I'll start really analyzing what I'm doing with it and how.

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. If I find the right shape pen cap or spool I might use some of it or use it as a base to build off of.

never_ending_fett
03-03-2009, 07:28 AM
Update time! The more I see it come together the more I want to do to get it done. I was out of town on Saturday and didn't get much of a chance to work on it on Sunday, but I did do some over the weekend including friday and Monday too...

Here I've started work on the exterior dome. The braces are in place.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_023.jpg

here you can see it in a little more context with more of the front exterior. Also visable is the curved area with the tie-ups for pack animals etc.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_025.jpg

different angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_027.jpg

started work on adding the chipboard, luke for scale
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_030.jpg

spackled and painted...also added the parts that stick out of the dome, and painted the tie-up rings
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_031.jpg

good start on the front exterior including the dome
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_034.jpg

different angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_035.jpg

closer in on the doorways...notice the sign above the door...it will be lit and have red lettering as seen in the film...still looking for a better shot to see exactly what to put on it.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_038.jpg

through the door, into the foyer and past
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_043.jpg

started work on the roof above the doors and the continuation of the dome
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_047.jpg

and another angle. The roof is all one piece with the interior and exterior domes and is removable.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantina_Progress_049.jpg

Tonight I'd like to get some more work on the roof/dome area as well as finish stringing the lights under the base and through the tables which are all finished now.


As always comments and critiques are welcome. Let me know what all I should improve expecially before it's done as it'll be easier to fix things now rather than later. I know there's still some touch ups etc but I'm talking more major things...
Thanks for looking!

never_ending_fett
03-09-2009, 10:36 AM
Well, it's been about a week since the last update so this one will be kinda longish. I didn't get as much done as I would have liked, but I did get a pretty good amount done.

these first 3 shots show more progress on the exterior dome as well as the sign above the door with the light behind it. The dome is all one piece and is removable. The roof will eventually meet the wall and look as seemless as possible and still let the dome be removable.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_001.jpg

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_002.jpg

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_003.jpg

tables and lights in place on the banstand side. some of the lights are just sat in place and not glued down flat yet.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_004.jpg

christmas light stuck through the base ready for a table. I have a second circle of foam core that goes below the light to help keep light from shining out at the bottom of the tables.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_005.jpg

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_006.jpg

all tables and lights pretty much in place. some of the stools need to be glued down better still.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_007.jpg

a little different angle and a little more "glow"

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_008.jpg

apparently they do serve their kind here after all...really though who would or could try and stop them

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_009.jpg

a little test shot

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_010.jpg

a little mood lightling... i need to lower the molding on the wall above the chairs...

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_011.jpg

chairs.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_013.jpg

chairs in the foyer
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_014.jpg

chairs in the alcoves

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_016.jpg

test shot again. once the molding above the chair gets lowered to where it should be this is going to look really good!

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_017.jpg

some customs i've made so far for the cantina...these are the first customs I've ever done.

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_018.jpg

[/img]http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_019.jpg[/img]

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_020.jpg

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_021.jpg

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_022.jpg

http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_024.jpg


as always comments and suggestions are welcome!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-09-2009, 05:39 PM
Wow, that's really looking good! The lights are awesome!

JediTricks
03-10-2009, 05:01 PM
Dang, that's quite cool! Love that shot with the cat in there, I'd be having a heart attack if my cat were in a custom diorama I did. :p

Do the christmas lights put out a lot of heat in that settting? They have a warmer tone than LEDs, so I can totally understand using them, but I'd fret about the heat (and the fact that they'll eventually need replacing).

never_ending_fett
03-10-2009, 06:18 PM
Thanks for the comments guys.

The cats getting in there does make me a little nervous, but he's pretty careful, a couple of the others not so much (we have 5). The lights in the tables etc don't really get that hot, the ones underneath the base that I wrapped in electrical tape because they were showing through do get a little warm. I don't plan on having it plugged in for long stretches so it shouldn't be an issue.

JediTricks
03-10-2009, 11:06 PM
"Careful cat"? Oxymoron. :p


I can't imagine not having a display that cool turned on as much as possible.

never_ending_fett
03-11-2009, 09:11 AM
"Careful cat"? Oxymoron. :p


compaired to his brother, yes he's careful, but yeah...you're right lol

they got used to sitting there when it was just sitting not getting worked on for like 6 months or more so they don't really understand that it isn't some place that they should be. It's built pretty strong so I'm not too worried. Now once the figures are all in their proper places and I've spent 45minutes trying to get one figure "just right"....then I think i'll flip out a little more when they try to get in it, but it won't be where it's at by then it'll be in the Star Wars room with the rest of my collection, which they aren't supposed to be in; we keep the door closed most of the time, hense not having the lights plugged in very often.

Kidhuman
03-11-2009, 09:16 AM
Really nice work. I love the way it is moving along. I really wish I had the patience and time to create stuff like this. Also the room

never_ending_fett
03-11-2009, 10:36 AM
This week I would like to finish the bar itself, possibly finish the exterior dome, the interior of the foyer, customize some more figures that hasbro hasn't made yet, and maybe start installing the lights on the walls inside the alcoves. That's pretty ambitious so I doubt I'll get to all that, but we'll see.

never_ending_fett
03-16-2009, 09:27 AM
I didn't get as much done this weekend as I would have liked...but when do I ever lol.

Minor updates:

here's one of the alcoves set up pretty close to as seen in the movie...the molding needs to be lowered, which I've done since taking the picture as you'll see later in this update.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_025.jpg

a little different angle and no flash
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_026.jpg

I am not sure how she got in there and was able to turn around, but I guess it's spacious enough lol
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_028.jpg

the bar section is pretty much done at this point...
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_029.jpg

well...done minus the distillery pipes etc.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_030.jpg

the band pretty much set up and ready to play including 2 custom instruments...the stand-up bass type thing and the "drums" (not visable in this shot) I also threw together a stand for the omnibox as well as a stool.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_032.jpg

an arial shot, better view of the "drums"
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_033.jpg

different view of the "drums"
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_034.jpg

custom stand/stool for the omnibox... it sorta looks like one of those scooters at the grocery store/walmart
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_035.jpg

I did get the lights installed in the alcove walls on the Han side set of alcoves.
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_036.jpg

differnt angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_037.jpg

another angle
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_038.jpg

a little bit of flash
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_039.jpg

greedo confronting Han
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_040.jpg

a little wider shot
http://threads.rebelscum.com/photogallery/data/500/medium/Cantiana_progress_041.jpg

that's it for now. Questions, Comments, and Criticism welcomed and encouraged!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-16-2009, 04:03 PM
The red and blue lights look killer! I have a few questions, too . . . are you going to go through and smooth things over? Much of it still looks kind of bumpy, like the bar. Speaking of which, is that the proper height? It looks a little low. Overall though, it's still looking great.

never_ending_fett
03-16-2009, 05:11 PM
What do you mean smooth things over? The walls etc are supposed to look like stucko so the texture is pretty much how I was wanting it...where on the bar are you seeing it as being bumpy? on the top? the sides? between the trim and the top? The shape?

There definately are alot of things to go back and tweek and fix for sure, the more things that get pointed out the better, as I want it to look as good as I can, I'm just not sure what specifically you are talking about with it being bumpy.

The bar I'm not sure if it's too short or not. I was thinking it might be. I was sorta judging the height based on Kabe but I think a little bit more hight might be good. it does look short based on the other figures...so I might add some height. Thanks for pointing it out.

Keep the comments coming...it just helps me get it to be as good as possible!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-16-2009, 11:49 PM
What do you mean smooth things over? The walls etc are supposed to look like stucko so the texture is pretty much how I was wanting it...where on the bar are you seeing it as being bumpy? on the top? the sides? between the trim and the top? The shape?
I'm kind of a perfectionist (read: anal), so I see places where it's raggedy around the edges (around where the white meets the gray). There are also places where there seem to be overall waves, as if the gray parts were taken and smooshed slightly. You know what I mean? Maybe I'm having a hard time explaining myself.


The bar I'm not sure if it's too short or not. I was thinking it might be. I was sorta judging the height based on Kabe but I think a little bit more hight might be good. it does look short based on the other figures...so I might add some height. Thanks for pointing it out.
Here (http://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/176f4fd0.jpg) is Kabe next to the bar, and here (http://cantinacustoms.tripod.com/231f46d0.jpg) is a shot with more humanoids next to it (note Dannik Jerriko and Dr. Evazan). And don't forget, that POTF2 Luke you're using is tall compared to the current scaling; and in the film, Luke bent down a little to rest his elbows on the bar, as I recall.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, but as you said, I'm just doing this for accuracy's sake. :D

never_ending_fett
03-17-2009, 07:07 AM
No, this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for (as well as a few "Wow"s and that's "awesome"s to stroke the ego lol). I'm in a weird possition as I am sometimes overly critical of my own work but at the same time I'm also very proud of it so I either only see some of the flaws or I don't see any at all. Getting other people's input really helps put some perspective on things.

I think what you are seeing is where the trim (which is an extension cord) is hot glued onto the foam core. I'll see if I can smooth it out or pull out some of the extra hot glue or paint it white or something...maybe a combination of it all. that might fix the wavy that you are seeing which I'm not sure if I see or not...I'll have to look at it again when I get home from work.

The first time I made the bar (and the top wasn't cut very well) I thought it looked a little too tall so when I did it the second time I think I over compensated and went too short. I was looking at it closer and it's even too short next to the base of the distillery so it will definately need to be raised.

JediTricks
03-17-2009, 05:44 PM
Well, it does look like it's coming together really well. The new lights add a ton of ambiance without the flash.

That's a heck of a droid detector! :D

I see what JabbaJohn is getting at with the gray and white on the bar.

I like the floor a lot, very accurate.

sebillba
03-18-2009, 05:36 AM
Sorry to go slightly off subject, but I've just noticed your Luke figure has both elbows and knees! I've tried swapping these figures around at the waist without any success... did you just swap the arms over? I'm guessing you used the boiling water method - did they just pop in and out easily enough, and fit well in the new sockets? I'm reluctant to just try it, as I've messed up figures before trying to swap over limbs.

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 07:00 AM
Thanks for the comments, I'll definately work on tweeking the bar, especially if it's that noticable.

I really like the way the lights in the wall came out too. They are battery operated, in a set of 10 so I can seperate each section of alcoves still without being connected by any cables. They are also alot smaller than the christmas lights which worked out great. I got them from Michaels, they are meant for lighting flower arangements. Each light is just white, all I did to change the color was draw all over them with a thick red or blue sharpie which worked better than I expected it too.

Yeah, I switched out Lukes arms. Boil and popped. They were kindof a pain to get back in, and the left arm doesn't match up to the body exactly right, I might need to shave a little of the top of the shoulder area to make it look right. I couldn't tell you what version any of the parts came from. I started with the Luke I had been using forever in my old cardboard pop-up dio that hasbro made. I picked up about 3 other Luke's to use for customs at a collectable store and figured that while I was working on switching heads and everything else I might as well put together a better luke. so he does have articulated arms and knees and a different head...I really just needed him to be able to sit down on the stool to talk to Han and the figure I was using didn't have articulated knees. Good eye for catching that.

sebillba
03-18-2009, 07:31 AM
Thanks for that. If it's not a straightforward swap, I think I'll just leave it for now, unless I can find a couple of spare Lukes to try it out on. You never know, one day Hasbro might actually make a definitive SA farmboy Luke, and we'll have a central character that matches up to the quality of all the blink and miss 'em background figures!

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 07:53 AM
the left arm isn't horrible and a quick cut with an exacto should fix it. What I've done for the cantina is really my first work on customizing figures and though it can be frustrating it is alot of fun.

If anybody has any suggestions for updated figures to use (like Han or Chewie, or Luke) let me know as I was out of collecting from The end of the Blue Card Saga till now so if I missed any better figures to use I'll see if I can track them down. This is especially true of Chewie as I need him to be able to sit properly in the alcove with Han.

sebillba
03-18-2009, 08:27 AM
The best Han and Chewie are from the VOTC line (Vintage Original Trilogy Collection):
http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vhansolo.asp
http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vchewbacca.asp
Chewie has been repacked a couple of times with a more neutral expression - I think one was from the "Early Bird" set.
I reckon you already have the best Luke... if you want more articulation, then it's VOTC again, but he's ruined by soft goods: http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vlukeskywalker.asp
Edit: Here's the Early Bird set: http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 08:39 AM
Thanks, that helps. I'll most definately start looking for that chewie. I like the hand gesture on the commtech han I'm using for him poking at the wall behind him when he shoots greedo, but other than that the Han is a big improvement too. I'm undecided on the Luke...he looks pretty good, not sure about the face and I'm still on the fence on the SG...they either look great or horrible and this one looks pretty good I guess, much better than the medical frigate bath robe that's coming out soon.

sebillba
03-18-2009, 08:52 AM
No worries. The commtech Han was scene specific for the Cantina, so should fit your needs pretty well, whereas the VOTC is more of an all rounder. I don't hate the Luke as much as most seem to, but I would still prefer one that fits in more with the aesthetics of other (all-plastic) figures. But you're right, his tunic is definitely far superior than the new bathrobe Luke... it's just incredible how s/gs seem to be getting worse, not better.

I totally recommend the Chewie though, it's one of the greatest figures ever! And this one is probably my favourite figure of all time, if you're looking to upgrade any of the secondary characters (you just need to swap the vest): http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC-Vgreedo.asp :love:

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 09:17 AM
That greedo looks pretty nice, but I hate the SG vest, so I would definately swap that out for one of the ones I have already. That would be one of the last figures I'd swap out. The quality of Soft Goods is so hit and miss it seems. I like the new Ben from the current ANH wave...his "skirt" is a little long and sometimes makes it hard to get him to stand correctly but other than that the SG work well for him.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-18-2009, 09:28 AM
I'll just chime in to say that the VOTC Chewie has the ROTJ haircut and an open mouth, so I do think the ANH version would work better. It came in the Early Bird set, as well as in the new Millennium Falcon. It's more neutral all around.

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 10:18 AM
Thanks for that info too. Basically the difference is that his hair was combed back right? Any ideas where I might be able to find one of the ANH versions? I would like to get the BMF but the wife isn't ready to let me drop that kinda cash on one, especially since I'm also working on the cantina and a Boba Fett costume at the same time.

sebillba
03-18-2009, 10:33 AM
Here ya go: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/STAR-WARS-Early-Bird-exclusive-CHEWBACCA-loose_W0QQitemZ220361361654QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item220361361654&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 there are others on ebay, but this looks like the cheapest.

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 10:37 AM
Cool! If it's still there friday I'll probably pick it up! Thanks!

sebillba
03-18-2009, 10:39 AM
He's got 12 available, so you should be ok. ;)

never_ending_fett
03-18-2009, 10:46 AM
He's got 12 available, so you should be ok. ;)

I guess I missed that, thanks for the heads up!

never_ending_fett
03-20-2009, 09:54 PM
I went ahead and got the early bird chewie. I also ordered a set of 2 moisture vaporators from ebay while I was at it. What's the best 3po and r2 for this scene? I may not update those, but something to think about for later...

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-20-2009, 11:53 PM
The best C-3PO overall is the one from the TSC line that had the Ewok throne. He's been re-released in the Saga Legends line a few times as well as in that Training on the Millennium Falcon set. However, he may be a bit too bright (although he did have his oil bath before the cantina, so it could be okay). That same set has a version of the vintage-style R2-D2, which is probably your best bet right now. Which versions do you have for it now?

never_ending_fett
03-21-2009, 10:25 AM
I think the 3P0 is the purchase of the droids version...don't know for sure, I bought it loose years ago...same for R2, which I think is the 95 POTF2, shiny crome dome and retractable 3rd leg...