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Tycho
03-28-2009, 01:32 AM
Well, first before we cover specific scenes, they did troop builder sets, usually with 4 figures.

There were:

Endor Rebel Soldiers
Rebel Fleet Troopers
Sandtroopers
Stormtroopers

for OT troop builder sets, this begs for there being:

Snowtroopers, Bikerscouts, Hoth Rebel Soldiers, Jawas (include variants)

For the Rebels, variant headsculpts would be great.

This concept could apply to the PT with:

Naboo Royal Security, Naboo Royal Guards, Coruscant Senate Guards (face showing underneath open-style helmet), Battle Droids, Super Battle Droids, Destroyer Droids, Gungan Warriors, Tusken Raiders, Geonosian Warriors. The humans with their faces showing should have variant ethnicities.

Hasbro made the AOTC Clone Trooper 4-packs with ranked officers Cmdr, Capt, Lt, Sgt. and regular all-white grunts, clean and battle-worn.

They would later do some of the ROTS units in various ways.

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Meanwhile, let's start with the REAL battlepacks. At least ONE MAIN CHARACTER usually anchors these, which sucks for us mainstream collectors, as we're already likely to own them. (I've barely ever bought battlepacks myself - but they are designed as gift items or impulse buys for kids in reality). So these are the battlepacks:

IMPERIAL FORCES: (this set also included an E-Webb, Mouse Droid, weapons)

AT-ST Driver
Stormtrooper
R4-19 (black R4)
DARTH VADER - this is the first of many Darth Vaders to be included in BPs

I finally got a black R4 unit from the BAD concept in the current run of figures.

JEDI WARRIORS (Geonosis): (this set also included the Jedi detention device)

Plo Koon
SaeSee Tiin
Sirch Fi-Ek (the Nikto Jedi I've also seen as Fi-Ek Sirch)
OBI-WAN KENOBI (AOTC)

I wish I could've gotten the Jedi Detention device that Dooku used to hold Obi-Wan Kenobi on Geonosis.

THE BATTLE OF HOTH: (this set also included a TaunTaun)

R3-A2
PRINCESS LEIA (Hoth)
LUKE SKYWALKER (Hoth)
CHEWBACCA (Hoth)

By giving up R3-A2, I managed to split this battle pack with a friend so I could get the TaunTaun with belly slit.

SKIRMISH AT CARKOON: (this set also included the sailbarge cannon)

Klaatu
Barada
Nikto
HAN SOLO (Sarlaac Battle)

I got the sailbarge cannon with Deluxe Slave Leia (POTJ)

ULTIMATE BOUNTY: (this set also included Aurra's swoopbike)

Aurra Sing
IG-88
BOBA FETT
Bossk

My friend gave me the Swoopbike years later, as he's not too familiar with the EU. It's strange how this set mixes the bike and Aurra from the PT with OT bounty hunters. Boba Fett has a speederbike stored in Slave-One, and Zuckuss, Dengar, or 4-LOM were all available by this time.

Moving on to 2004, we saw:

ENDOR AMBUSH: (included Speederbike)

Bikerscout
Endor Rebel Soldier (new Saga style)
Logray
WICKET
HAN SOLO (Endor)

NABOO FINAL CONFLICT: (included Kaadu)

Naboo Royal Guard (a harder to get figure at this point in the E1 line)
Battle Droid
Gungan Warrior
CAPTAIN TARPALS (not really a mainline character, but he's the most describable as headlining)

In 2005 Battle Packs were the most prolific yet:

ASSAULT ON HOTH:

General Veers
3 Snowtroopers
Probot

This kind of covers the need for a Snowtrooper army builder set, but how many General Veers figures can one use?

CLONE ATTACK ON CORUSCANT:

ARC Trooper Clone Commander
4 Clone Troopers (Coruscant gray)

(this takes care of one of the E3 Clone Trooper sets for army building.)

IMPERIAL THRONE ROOM:

Imperial Dignitary
Stormtrooper
2 Royal Guards
EMPEROR PALPATINE (E3 version)

JEDI TEMPLE ASSAULT:

3 501st Clones
1 ARC 170 Pilot (this makes little sense to include here, but the figure is useful)
DARTH VADER (in Anakin Skywalker form)

JEDI VS SITH (CLONE WARS)

Assaj Ventress
GENERAL GRIEVOUS
MASTER YODA
OBI-WAN KENOBI (in Clone Armor)
ANAKIN SKYWALKER (Yavin Duel)

This was sold with the exclusive Anakin as bait, and the Obi-Wan sucked and only 3 years later did an improved version of Obi-Wan in clone armor surface for 2008.

JEDI VS SEPARATISTS

Mace Windu
OBI-WAN KENOBI (AOTC)
ANAKIN SKYWALKER (AOTC)
JANGO FETT
DARTH MAUL - why the heck is he included. Maul wasn't a Separatist!

REBEL VS EMPIRE:

Stormtrooper
DARTH VADER (again, but with removeable helmet)
HAN SOLO (Endor Bunker)
CHEWBACCA
LUKE DEATH STAR II (the crappy version from 2003)

2006 saw battle packs continue....

BATTLE ABOVE THE SARLAAC:

Weequay
BOBA FETT
LANDO SKIFF GUARD
LUKE JEDI KNIGHT
HAN SOLO SARLAAC BATTLE

JEDI VS DARTH SIDIOUS:

Kit Fisto
SaeSee Tiin
Agen Kolar
MACE WINDU
DARTH SIDIOUS

this set's perfect if you want to set up this scene, but buying individual figures would bring you higher quality.

SITH LORD ATTACK:

Battle Droid
Security Battle Droid
DARTH MAUL
OBI-WAN KENOBI
QUI-GON JINN

MACE WINDU'S ATTACK BATALLION:

Clone Commander (in airborne gear)
3 Clone Troopers
MACE WINDU

SKIRMISH IN THE SENATE: (includes Senate Speaker Car)

2 Shocktroopers
DARTH SIDIOUS
MASTER YODA

They still have yet to make the correct Darth Sidious figure for the Yoda duel scene.

THE HUNT FOR GRIEVOUS: (Clone Wars):

3 ARC Troopers
Heavy Gunner Clone
CAPTAIN FORDO (ARC Trooper)

2007 saw the most battlepacks ever: 22 of them!!!

THE BATTLE OF GEONOSIS:

Aayla Secura
OBI-WAN KENOBI
Super Battle Droid
COUNT DOOKU
JANGO FETT

BATTLE ON MYGEETO:

Ki-Adi Mundi
Cmdr Bacara
Galactic Marine
Super Battle Droid
Tri-Droid

BETRAYAL AT BESPIN:

Boba Fett
DARTH VADER
PRINCESS LEIA (Bespin)
CHEWBACCA
HAN SOLO (Bespin)

This set could have appropriately included Lando, but I don't know how you sacrafice any of the other principal characters included.

CAPTURE OF THE TANTIVE IV:

2 Rebel Fleet Troopers
2 Stormtroopers
DARTH VADER

(This set is almost perfect for troop building, but by including another Vader it turned me off)

DROID FACTORY CAPTURE:

C-3PO / Battle Droid head mix-up
Destroyer Droid
JANGO FETT
ANAKIN SKYWALKER (AOTC)
R2D2 (flying)

JEDI TRAINING ON DAGOBAH:

Darth Vader Apparition
YODA
LUKE (Bespin)
R2D2 (Dagobah)
OBI-WAN KENOBI (spirit)

AMBUSH ON ILLUM:

2 Chameleon Droids (one uncloaking)
PADME AMIDALA (snowbunny)
C-3PO (wrong one - shouldn't be gold yet)
R2D2

ARC 170 ELITE SQUAD:

2 Clone Pilots
2 Clone Troopers (ARC Fighter markings)
R2 Droid (no official name)

AT-RT ASSAULT SQUAD (includes 2 AT-RTs - large battle pack):

2 AT-RT Drivers
1 Clone Commander (Kashyyyk)

ATTACK ON KASHYYK (The Force Unleashed):

2 Wookiee Warriors
2 Stormtroopers
DARTH VADER (again)

BATTLE RANCOR (with Rancor):

Fallucian Rider

BETRAYAL ON FALLUCIA:

Aayla Secura (she's necessarily included here):
3 Clone Troopers (starcorps, 1 with removeable helmet)
Commander Bly

I bought this one as it was useful

THE ULTIMATE BATTLE OF ENDOR (includes AT-ST, 2 logs):

AT-ST Driver (gray hair) - nice figure
2 Biker Scouts
Stormtrooper
CHEWBACCA
HAN SOLO (Endor Bunker)
Oochee (Ewok)
Widdle Warrick (Ewok)


THE ULTIMATE BATTLE OF HOTH (includes AT-ST, Turret Cannon):

AT-ST Driver (younger version)
3 Snowtroopers
LUKE SNOWSPEEDER PILOT
HAN HOTH
Rebel Officer
Rebel Soldier

This set could've almost been worth it for the Turret Cannon.


BANTHA with TUSKEN RAIDERS: (includes Bantha):

Bantha Riding Tusken Raider
Tusken Female with Infant
Tusken Sniper with Massiff


HOTH PATROL:

I think this is the 2 Snow Scout Troopers on Speederbikes

STAP ATTACK: (includes 2 STAPs)

Silver Super Battle Droid
2 Pilot Battle Droids

TREACHERY ON SALEUCAMI: (includes 2 Clone speederbikes)

Commander Neyo
Clone Trooper

SPEEDER BIKE RECON: (includes 2 Clone Speeder Bikes)

2 Clone Troopers

SHIELD GENERATOR ASSAULT:

Imperial Lt. Renz
Rebel Nik Sant in Biker Scout Disguise
HAN SOLO (shield bunker)
R2D2 (shield bunker blast damage)

LARS HOMESTEAD (with Lars Homestead Entrance, vaporator, womprat):

Uncle Owen
Aunt Beru
Sandtrooper

ULTIMATE BATTLE PACK: PIT OF CARKOON (with Sarlaac and Skiff):

Weequay
BOBA FETT
HAN SOLO
LUKE SKYWALKER
LANDO CALRISSIAN

There are more battle packs that you can fill in and discuss here, but these are the basics that are interesting to write about.

Tycho
03-28-2009, 01:44 AM
Alright, so THESE are the ones I bought:

THE BATTLE OF HOTH: (this set also included a TaunTaun)

R3-A2
PRINCESS LEIA (Hoth)
LUKE SKYWALKER (Hoth)
CHEWBACCA (Hoth)

By giving up R3-A2, I managed to split this battle pack with a friend so I could get the TaunTaun with belly slit.

My friend gave me Aurra Sing's Swoopbike years later, as he's not too familiar with the EU.

SKIRMISH IN THE SENATE: (includes Senate Speaker Car)

2 Shocktroopers
DARTH SIDIOUS
MASTER YODA

They still have yet to make the correct Darth Sidious figure for the Yoda duel scene. I originally bought 2 of these sets but I'm not sure if they're in storage or if I returned them, as I plan on building custom Senate halls for each of the prequel movies.


AMBUSH ON ILLUM:

2 Chameleon Droids (one uncloaking)
PADME AMIDALA (snowbunny)
C-3PO (wrong one - shouldn't be gold yet)
R2D2

I wanted to make this scene anyway - with Luminara and Barris, and Yoda as well.

BETRAYAL ON FALLUCIA:

Aayla Secura (she's necessarily included here):
3 Clone Troopers (starcorps, 1 with removeable helmet)
Commander Bly

I bought this one as it was useful

TREACHERY ON SALEUCAMI: (includes 2 Clone speederbikes)

Commander Neyo
Clone Trooper

This set is perfect and very useful when combined with Deluxe Stass Allie.


LARS HOMESTEAD (with Lars Homestead Entrance, vaporator, womprat):

Uncle Owen
Aunt Beru
Sandtrooper

I wanted the homestead and the timing on my eligibility for returning this set to TRU ran out, so I'm keeping it even though I wind up with extras of Owen and Beru. I should've trusted myself to make a custom homestead.

So that's all I bought. Next I'll discuss some pieces I wanted but never could get because I refused to take the bait and get the battle packs.

Darth Jax
03-28-2009, 09:38 AM
BANTHA with TUSKEN RAIDERS: (includes Bantha):

Bantha Riding Tusken Raider
Tusken Female with Infant
Tusken Sniper with Massiff


man that's gotta hurt

bigbarada
03-28-2009, 10:58 AM
man that's gotta hurt

:D

I think he meant to say Bantha-riding Tusken Raider.


I don't remember this set at all:


ASSAULT ON HOTH:

General Veers
3 Snowtroopers
Probot

This kind of covers the need for a Snowtrooper army builder set, but how many General Veers figures can one use?

Mad Slanted Powers
03-28-2009, 11:36 AM
JEDI VS DARTH SIDIOUS:

Kit Fisto
SaeSee Tiin
Agen Kolar
MACE WINDU
DARTH SIDIOUS

this set's perfect if you want to set up this scene, but buying individual figures would bring you higher quality.Actually, Mace is probably the only one you could get a better version of individually. Palpatine isn't that great, but it is the best in this outfit. Plus, the Jedi all come with soft goods cloaks that that carded versions didn't have.



I don't remember this set at all:
ASSAULT ON HOTH:

General Veers
3 Snowtroopers
Probot

This kind of covers the need for a Snowtrooper army builder set, but how many General Veers figures can one use?I got that one. It is an okay set - http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPhoth.asp - but there are much better versions of the figures that have been released since then.

bigbarada
03-28-2009, 11:45 AM
I got that one. It is an okay set - http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPhoth.asp - but there are much better versions of the figures that have been released since then.

Okay, I remember that set now. Just rehashes of outdated figures. Although we do need that Tripod Cannon remade, it's just too big for the VTAC Snowtroopers.

I guess when they're not fighting off the Rebellion, General Veers and Saga Snowtrooper can spend their time laughing at the two Snowtroopers who fell in Wampa poo. :cross-eye

Tycho
03-28-2009, 01:01 PM
Actually, Mace is probably the only one you could get a better version of individually. Palpatine isn't that great, but it is the best in this outfit. Plus, the Jedi all come with soft goods cloaks that that carded versions didn't have.


I don't dislike all softgoods, especially for figures that need to ride in the vehicles, but it was really unnecessary here. The cloaks look too big for the characters, as what usually happens. Also I don't think Agen Kolar came with a softgoods cloak, but all the other Jedi did. To give Mace a more imposing look in this scene, I may very well use my Clone Wars Mace figure from 2003 (realistic style). Yeah, it's quite possible that a better Palpatine in the red outfit has been made (maybe in this battle pack), but I'd be interested in seeing him single-carded.

Tycho
03-28-2009, 01:13 PM
Going through this list, there were some things I wanted out of individual battle packs, but never was able to get:

the Jedi detention device from Geonosis that held Obi-Wan while Dooku interrogated him.

R3-A2 from Hoth's Echo Base

By giving up R3-A2, I managed to split this battle pack with a friend so I could get the TaunTaun with belly slit.




Captain Tarpals made to ride a Kaadu

ANAKIN SKYWALKER (Yavin Duel)

Senate Speaker Car

2 new Wookiee Warriors



2 logs)
Oochee (Ewok)
Widdle Warrick (Ewok)


Hoth Turret Cannon
AT-ST Driver (younger version)
LUKE SNOWSPEEDER PILOT


Silver Super Battle Droid (this would look great single-carded!)

Imperial Lt. Renz
R2D2 (shield bunker blast damage) (but this figure needs to be redone right)

Sarlaac - which needs to be redone, larger and correctly, with a large sand base.

There's also a Hoth set which I did not list as I didn't have the name for it or a picture to look at, but it included the R5 droid with the black head and white body from Echo Base. I always liked that droid and hope it shows up in the BAD options.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-28-2009, 03:07 PM
You are right about Kolar not having a soft goods cloak, but he does have a sculpted cloak as did the carded figure. Kit and Saesee didn't have any cloaks in their carded ROTS versions, and I think these are both perhaps the best versions of the characters. Adding the cloaks to them in this pack makes them more scene accurate.

This is probably the best Palpatine in this outfit, but that isn't saying much. It's the same as a carded version, and doesn't have much articulation. If they could take the Evolutions Sidious body and put this outfit and a better head on him, then we'd have a good replacement for this figure.

If you want to have a complete history of multi-packs, you could go back further to include the Cinema Scenes. Those all had three figures.

POTF2 Cinema Scenes
Cantina Aliens - Labria, Nabrun Leids, Takeel
Cantina Showdown - Dr. Evazan, Ponda Baba, Ben Kenobi
Death Star Escape - Han & Luke as Stormtroopers, Chewbacca
Final Jedi Duel - Emperor, Darth Vader, Luke
Jabba The Hutt's Dancers - Rystall, Greeata, Lyn Me
Jabba's Skiff Guards - Klaatu, Barada, Nikto
Jedi Spirits - Anakin, Yoda, Obi-Wan
Mynock Hunt - Chewbacca, Leia, Han
Purchase of the Droids - Owen, C-3PO, Luke
Rebel Pilots - Ten Numb, Wedge, Arvel Crynyd (actually should be Lt. Telsij)

Episode I Cinema Scenes
Mos Espa Encounter - Sebulba, Jar Jar, Anakin
Tatooine Showdown - Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, Anakin
Watto's Box - Watto, Graxol Kelvyyn, Shakka

And there are also the Jedi Council 3-packs and Geonosis War Room 3-packs

Tycho
03-28-2009, 04:21 PM
There's also the Trash Compactor sets, but there's only 2 figures in each of those, the Cantina sets with the bar assembled (part of it anyway), and so on.

I keep thinking of more of these.

I'm going to do a character re-use analysis pretty soon here.

Anyone want to start with how many times Darth Vader appears in a multi-pack / battle pack?

Troop builders don't count as tons of them are actually wanted and useful.

But Vader, Luke, Boba Fett, Anakin Skywalker, C-3PO, R2-D2, the list goes on.

Do you think selling packs like Betrayal on Bespin will prompt people to buy an extra Lando figure if they were carded collectors and now they have a ready-made scene to open up that only needs a few more figures? (Lando, Lobot, Stormtroopers - probably 8 or so, Bespin Guards)

As I'm not a carded collector of any kind, this doesn't work for me. When a new figure is coming out (Luke Medical Frigate), I list every scene I think I want to do with that figure (uh...1 in this case - the Medical Frigate) and then buy whatever else I need: Leia Medical Frigate, R2D2, C-3PO, 2-1B, FX-7. I also got a deluxe Titanium or Action Fleet Millennium Falcon from a while back to sort of "frame" in my display window, like Luke and Leia are watching it fly away.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-28-2009, 05:15 PM
Since I buy most of the carded figures, I often pass on battle packs that are all rehashes. I don't mind buying set that have figures I already have if there is enough new stuff in it that I want. Most recently, I was kind of on the fence about the Sarlacc and Lars Homestead sets, but decided that the Sarlacc, skiff and homestead dome were enough to make me get the two sets. I passed on the Christophsis set. That was partly due to space issues, but the figures weren't interesting enough, and I think I have some version of those vehicles.

Two packs aren't quite enough to warrant a 'multi-pack' designation (even though there is more than one figure), but those Cantina 3-packs would fit the bill.

It's getting pretty hard to keep track of all the different versions of all the characters. One thing I would like to do is start a thread where we do a character by character analysis. We could discuss which is the best version of each character. In the end, this would be a good resource for people just getting into collecting or those that want to go back and get some of the figures they missed. That way, they wouldn't have to buy ever version of Vader or Tatooine Luke. They could read about the good and bad points of each figure and decide for themselves which to get.

DarkJedi5
03-28-2009, 05:35 PM
Here's my count on Vaders in multipack formats. I included 2-packs but I'm not sure if Tycho wanted to count those or not....

POTF2
Final Jedi Duel – Mostly or All new Vader

POTJ
Vader & Maul Masters of the Dark Side – New Vader
25th Anniversary: Final Duel – New Vader

Saga
Imperial Forces – based on POTJ Thrown Room Vader

OTC
ROTJ Commemorative DVD set – Imperial Forces Vader

ROTS
Rebel vs. Empire – Kit-bashed Vader using head from Saga Thrown Room Duel and body from Saga Bespin Duel.
KB Collector 9 Pack – OTC Silver Vader (a kit-bashed version of POTJ Dagobah Vader)
ROTS Commemorative DVD Collection: Sith Lords – Saga Thrown Room Duel Vader

Saga II
ANH Commemorative DVD Collection – POTJ 25th Anniversary Vader
Death Star Briefing Set – POTJ Masters of the Dark Side Vader

TAC
Order 66 – ROTS Evolutions Vader
Betrayal at Bespin – OTC (500th Figure) Vader
Capture of Tantive IV – POTF2 Commtech Vader
Jedi Training on Dagobah – Saga Silver Vader repaint
Attack on Kashyyk – VOTC Darth Vader
ANH Commemorative Tin – ROTS Evolutions Vader with new head, gloves and torso
ROTJ Commemorative Tin (K-Mart Exclusive) – Saga II Vader Thrown Room
I Am Your Father’s Day Gift Pack – Saga Thrown Room Vader
Darth Vader and Incinerator Troopers – VOTC Vader

TLC
Droid Factory Pack 2 – ROTS Darth Vader

So about 15 times without counting 2 packs or 20 times if you count them.

If you include comic packs too (because some people buy them jut for the one new(ish) figure then there are four more sets to include.

Tycho
03-29-2009, 02:19 AM
One thing I would like to do is start a thread where we do a character by character analysis. We could discuss which is the best version of each character. In the end, this would be a good resource for people just getting into collecting or those that want to go back and get some of the figures they missed. That way, they wouldn't have to buy ever version of Vader or Tatooine Luke. They could read about the good and bad points of each figure and decide for themselves which to get.

I would participate in such a thread. What I'd recommend doing for it is this:

1) Take the figures from 1995 in order of release for discussion:

Tatooine Luke, ANH Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, (the first 9). Then discuss each one at a time while letting others vote or participate as they want to - like about Luke. (Vader will be a LONG discussion!) Then go on to 1996 - There were only 2 or so Luke Dagobahs, maybe a few more TIE Pilots or Han Hoths.

With the 1997 figures, there are only two R5-D4 figures (then and 2006) and only 1 ASP-7 Droid figure ever. Admiral Ackbar only has 1 figure too, for example.

When you come to 1998, Luke Blastshield and Leia All-New-Likeness will already have been discussed, so there's less to cover, as with 1999 and the CommTech Stormtrooper - it will have been covered within the 1995 discussion about Stormtroopers.

Meanwhile, DarkJedi5, thanks for doing the post about Battle Pack Vaders. I can't believe 15 (fifteen) of them so far! Wow. Does anyone here NOT have a Darth Vader figure? Hehe.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-29-2009, 02:44 AM
That would be a good way to keep track of figures. I might not go in that order, though. I'd probably want to start with something easier than Darth Vader or Luke. I'd probably need some help as it would be easy to overlook a figure, particularly one that was a pack-in or part of a multi-pack. So, I would probably bring up a character and list as many versions as I could. Then people could add to the list, comment, and vote for their favorites (or least favorites).

I've been thinking that I might start this after Jaff's figure poll is done. That way, we'll have another long project to look forward to after the Best/Worst figure poll.

Tycho
03-29-2009, 04:23 AM
Yeah, that might be good to wait. But it doesn't necessarily have to be the case. We already brought the idea up and it doesn't interfere with his polling plans. I'll PM Jaff and ask him what he thinks and when he'd recommend someone starts this.

Now I would start with the first 9. It'll make things easy to keep track of that way. But 1 of the 9 at a time:

Vader (no Hayden-Vaders here - designated by a removeable helmet)
Stormtrooper
Obi-Wan (we can specify ONLY Alec Guiness figures here)
Luke (Tatooine only)
Han (Cantina / ANH version only)
Leia (Imperial Senator with hair in buns only)
Chewie
R2
C-3PO (maybe gold Threepios only)

However, all these figures have been done and redone a lot by now.

I don't think the thread will even compete with Jaff's by way of length. So anyway, I'll PM him and see what he thinks.

DarkJedi5
04-08-2009, 01:41 PM
Any word yet from Jaff? I'm eager to get this idea rolling....

Tycho
04-08-2009, 04:38 PM
I got the idea he preferred to wait and let his wave-by-wave best-worst figure poll run it's course first. (He's finishing 2004 I believe).

Honestly though, I don't have the PMs saved any longer and I don't have great recollection about what he said.

DarkJedi5
04-08-2009, 05:03 PM
I love Jaff's Best/Worst poll but I really don't think this thread would have anything to do with that one. He's trying to see what people think is the best and worst Star Wars figure ever made. We're looking to see which figure is the best representation of the main characters in each of their outfits. Some of it would be no real contest (Luke Ceremony for example POTF2 or TAC) and some would require debate (best Luke Dagobah?) Not to mention this one should run much shorter and could probably be done in a month. If Jaff thinks this would be stepping on his toes though I guess we can wait but he still has a lot of ground to cover. About five more lines worth of figures if you include the current CW and TLC lines.

sebillba
04-08-2009, 05:33 PM
I agree, I was looking forward to this as well, though must admit it had slipped my mind until DJ5 reminded me tonight. As much as I enjoy Jaff's poll, this would be completely different, and could even include the vintage line... not just for nostalgic reasons, I would argue that the vintage Yoda, for example, is far superior to any OT Yoda in the modern line. Besides, things seem pretty quiet round here lately, I've even been loitering over at RS to get my voting fix in their wishlist polls, and they've been moving too slowly for my liking.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-08-2009, 06:04 PM
I'll chime in to say that I'm bored by the tedious best/worst poll that we've already done before, so this would be something a little fresher; I don't think we have to wait for the other poll to get done since, as these fine chaps have said, it's something different altogether.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-08-2009, 08:14 PM
In that case, I'll try and get it started soon, maybe this weekend. After my last posting, I started going through the lists I had started to make before. Given how many figures have been made of many of the core characters, there will be quite a list to sort through for each of them.

So, I'll keep thinking more about how I want to approach this. I think before this thread started, I had sorted all the POTF2 basic figures into groups, but hadn't worked on it for quite a while. A couple weeks ago I went through the POTF2 Deluxe figures and Cinema Scenes. At this rate, I wouldn't be ready for months. However, I don't need to have everything sorted and classified to get started. Actually, the thread itself can be used to get things straightened out. It's not going to be simply a poll. When we do have voting, I want to be able to use it to assess all the figures, perhaps in a way similar to what RS was doing with their most wanted figure poll last year.

So, it might work something like this. I'll introduce a figure and list the various versions that have been released, and then we can discuss what we like and dislike about them. It might be easier to list a few at a time for those that have many versions. This will give people a chance to become familiar with each version. I know that for me, with so many figures having been released, it becomes difficult to remember what the distinguishing features were of each release, particularly with something like Darth Vader.

After some discussion, I can then ask people to rate the figures on a scale something like this:

0 - This figure is an abomination. I'd throw it in the trash, but the garbage is too good a place for it.

1 - The only reason to have this figure is that it is the best or only version that has been made.

2 - A decent figure, but could be better/has been done better.

3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character.

4 - The best version of this figure, if not one of the better figures of all time.

Of course, this process and this scale is not set in stone, and I'm open to suggestions. However, my goal when we are done is to have a list of all figures, grouped by character, and sorted by rating.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-08-2009, 08:54 PM
I'll be more than happy to help make the initial figure lists, if you need my help.

DarkJedi5
04-08-2009, 09:01 PM
I've got more free time than I care to admit so if you need help making a list for a certain character I can pitch in too.

Tycho
04-08-2009, 09:09 PM
First I agree with JabbaJohnL - the 1981 vintage Yoda remains to this date, the best Yoda that has ever been done. I guess I'll save the rest of that debate for when MSP discusses Yoda.

MSP:

I'd take this one character at a time - not several. There's too many versions of many of them.

I actually have a plan for this one. Anyone really want me to do it? I'd want to work jointly with MSP to tabulate the stats. He's really great at that. This is what I'd do or suggest as far as the poll is concerned.:

1) Take the figures from 1995 in order of release for discussion:

Tatooine Luke, ANH Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, etc. (the first 9). Then discuss each one at a time while letting others vote or participate as they want to - like about Luke. (Vader will be a LONG discussion!) Then go on to 1996 - There were only 2 or so Luke Dagobahs, maybe a few more TIE Pilots or Han Hoths.

With the 1997 figures, there are only two R5-D4 figures (then and 2006) and only 1 ASP-7 Droid figure ever. Admiral Ackbar only has 1 figure too, for example.

When you come to 1998, Luke Blastshield and Leia All-New-Likeness will already have been discussed, so there's less to cover, as with 1999 and the CommTech Stormtrooper - it will have been covered within the 1995 discussion about Stormtroopers.

If you want to start with vintage figures (1970's / '80's) then we always can.

A vintage figure discussion would open with R2D2's and continue on that subject until posts died down. Every R2D2 would be discussed through 2009, and what was forgotten, would be brought up by the participants in the thread.

It looks as if we start in 1995, Ben Kenobi (Sir Alec Guiness likenesses) will start us off (in my example - and I'm using RS's photo archive order to base my process off of).

Then we'll see when people posting dies off and then tally the results. This gives time to people to say, "Oh yeah. I forgot about that figure. I want to change my vote."

By the way, if I initiate the poll, I don't want to provide the links to all these figures' photos. I'm just throwing my name in the hat, but keep that in mind if you select me to moderate this poll. Then again, we can add someone else to the poll "moderator" staff who can dig up the photo links if that is really important to a lot of you.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-08-2009, 09:33 PM
First I agree with JabbaJohnL - the 1981 vintage Yoda remains to this date, the best Yoda that has ever been done. I guess I'll save the rest of that debate for when MSP discusses Yoda.
That was sebillba who said that, but I'll take any agreement I can get. ;)

I like your way of doing the poll, and I suppose we could also include the vintage versions. That would only add one or two versions to each character, so you might as well.

Tycho
04-08-2009, 10:07 PM
Well, when you come to Han Solo,

In my mind, these are different figures:

Han Solo (ANH)
Han Hoth
Han Bespin
Han Carbonite
Han Endor
Han AT-ST Driver

and they should not compete against each other.

Maybe after the whole poll is completed, we can choose our favorite amongst all the Han winners.

Then how do you handle Vader?

Vader figures (basic)
Vader w. removeable helmet (Hayden)
Vader w. removeable helmet (Sebastian)

and what of Anakin figures? Here I'd just let Sith Eyes figures compete with E3 figures, but not AOTC or TPM ones. They're too different.

Is Qui-Gon Tatooine different from Jedi Qui-Gon? I'd say yes. I'd also say that we could open that up to allow for the Jedi Duel figures to compete in that area with the E1 Accessory Robes on them. It's crazy.

But R2D2? I'd say let all of them go: flying, sensor scope, lightsaber launching, etc.

Yet C-3PO? 3 categories:

Naked
Junk
Gold

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-08-2009, 10:23 PM
I agree on Han. For Vader, I was thinking separate them between ANH and ROTS/ESB/ROTJ, with the removable helmet figures all in there.

For Anakin, it would be TPM slave, AOTC Padawan, and ROTS. TPM Padawan can't compete against anything so there's no need for a poll or discussion.

I say we take the figures as they are and not imagine how they'd be with added accessories.

For R2-D2, you might as well throw all of them in there. But I think we can take this on a character-by-character basis.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-08-2009, 10:39 PM
I'd take this one character at a time - not several. There's too many versions of many of them.

I actually have a plan for this one. Anyone really want me to do it? I'd want to work jointly with MSP to tabulate the stats. He's really great at that. This is what I'd do or suggest as far as the poll is concerned.:

1) Take the figures from 1995 in order of release for discussion:

Tatooine Luke, ANH Han Solo, Princess Leia, Chewbacca, etc. (the first 9). Then discuss each one at a time while letting others vote or participate as they want to - like about Luke. (Vader will be a LONG discussion!) Then go on to 1996 - There were only 2 or so Luke Dagobahs, maybe a few more TIE Pilots or Han Hoths.

With the 1997 figures, there are only two R5-D4 figures (then and 2006) and only 1 ASP-7 Droid figure ever. Admiral Ackbar only has 1 figure too, for example.

When you come to 1998, Luke Blastshield and Leia All-New-Likeness will already have been discussed, so there's less to cover, as with 1999 and the CommTech Stormtrooper - it will have been covered within the 1995 discussion about Stormtroopers.I think one at a time might be a bit slow, especially when we get to Vader, but I wouldn't have a problem doing it that way. Anyone have any suggestions as to how the rate them? I would like something similar to what I suggested which puts figures into a few easy to understand categories that range from "For Completists Only" to "Essential - Every Home Should Have One." Perhaps after each version of a particular figure has been rated, we could have a run off of the top scorers to determine the ultimate version. That may only be necessary for the core characters of which there are countless versions.


Well, when you come to Han Solo,

In my mind, these are different figures:

Han Solo (ANH)
Han Hoth
Han Bespin
Han Carbonite
Han Endor
Han AT-ST Driver

and they should not compete against each other.

Maybe after the whole poll is completed, we can choose our favorite amongst all the Han winners.

Then how do you handle Vader?

Vader figures (basic)
Vader w. removeable helmet (Hayden)
Vader w. removeable helmet (Sebastian)

and what of Anakin figures? Here I'd just let Sith Eyes figures compete with E3 figures, but not AOTC or TPM ones. They're too different.

Is Qui-Gon Tatooine different from Jedi Qui-Gon? I'd say yes. I'd also say that we could open that up to allow for the Jedi Duel figures to compete in that area with the E1 Accessory Robes on them. It's crazy.

But R2D2? I'd say let all of them go: flying, sensor scope, lightsaber launching, etc.

Yet C-3PO? 3 categories:

Naked
Junk
GoldWith characters like Han and Luke, different outfits are definitely separate. I'd say with Vader, if he's in the suit, they can all be classified as the same. The removable helmet is just a feature that might make it better than others for most people (for some, Hayden under the helmet might make it worse than other). I agree with your assessment of Anakin. I think a lot of these questions can be answered as we get to each figure. Also, since we are doing one figure at a time, it may not matter until we get through all versions of the character. Then we can decide which ones to include in any run-off voting that may occur, and which group to put it in in our final report. In the end, the final report should be a reference guide for people. They can look up Qui-Gon, see all the different versions of him listed there and how they are rated. Perhaps a brief description of each figure will be there, and a brief write-up of the character that summarizes why people like or dislike certain figures. Some like soft-goods, others loathe them. Some hate ball-jointed necks, others don't have a problem with them. That way, a person can look at the list and say, "Well, that figure rated highest, but this other figure rated pretty well and I think it looks better and has the features I want."

Mad Slanted Powers
04-08-2009, 11:08 PM
TPM Padawan can't compete against anything so there's no need for a poll or discussion.Actually, I would still want to discuss and rate the figure. It would give people an idea as to whether this is a figure worth getting. For some, just the fact that it is a distinct figure would make it worth getting, so it is important to have it on the list for those that are completists in terms of character and outfit.

TheDarthVader
04-08-2009, 11:36 PM
hey, just wanted to say that i would like to participate in that kind of discussion about the best version of a figure. you guys have my full support. good luck!

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-09-2009, 12:00 AM
Actually, I would still want to discuss and rate the figure. It would give people an idea as to whether this is a figure worth getting. For some, just the fact that it is a distinct figure would make it worth getting, so it is important to have it on the list for those that are completists in terms of character and outfit.
Ah, okay. So you want to discuss the merits of every figure ever or just the unique or best ones? If we do every one, that will take forever, as there are over 1000 figures by now if you include multipacks and so forth.

EDIT: I'm going to start compiling the list for Tatooine Luke so we can look at it and see what we need to change or do differently.

sebillba
04-09-2009, 01:55 AM
By the way, if I initiate the poll, I don't want to provide the links to all these figures' photos. I'm just throwing my name in the hat, but keep that in mind if you select me to moderate this poll. Then again, we can add someone else to the poll "moderator" staff who can dig up the photo links if that is really important to a lot of you.

I could help with the links; I already have all my figures on a database with the links attached, so could easly copy and paste these. I don't pretend to have everything, but I have most versions/updates of (at least) all the movie characters.

The only problem is, with the time difference, I'm often asleep when these discussions are going on, so I'm a bit late chiming in, but I'm happy to help if I can.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-09-2009, 02:39 AM
Here is the list of the Tatooine Luke releases:

*Luke Skywalker – Star Wars, 1978
*Luke Skywalker – The Power of the Force, 1995
*Luke Skywalker’s Desert Sport Skiff, 1996
*Luke Skywalker, Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene – The Power of the Force, 1997
*Luke Skywalker with Blast Shield Helmet – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Gunner Station Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Luke Skywalker with Blaster Rifle and Electrobinoculars – The Power of the Force, 1999
*Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model – The Power of the Force, 1999
*Luke Skywalker, Swing to Freedom Silver Anniversary set – Power of the Jedi, 2002
*Luke Skywalker and Landspeeder* – Star Wars “Saga”, 2002
*Luke Skywalker (Tatooine Encounter)* – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003/2004
*Luke Skywalker – “Vintage” The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004
*Luke Skywalker, Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004
*Luke Skywalker, Millennium Falcon Crew set – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004
*Luke Skywalker, Early Bird Certificate Package – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) – The Saga Collection, 2006
*Luke Skywalker, Commemorative Episode IV DVD Collection* – The Saga Collection, 2006
*Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Luke Skywalker, Training on the Millennium Falcon Battle Pack – The Legacy Collection, 2008

Asterisks indicate that a figure was previously released, but there was a change to packaging or some such thing, so collectors can figure out which version they like best. I figure this is a complete list; the only thing I didn't include was that the Tatooine Encounter figure was released first as a numbered figure and later as a Hall of Fame entry, which I have designated by the 2003/2004 thing, but I don't think anyone really cares.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-09-2009, 02:42 AM
Ah, okay. So you want to discuss the merits of every figure ever or just the unique or best ones? If we do every one, that will take forever, as there are over 1000 figures by now if you include multipacks and so forth.Yes, that is why I think it might be better to do a few at a time. We could get through them much quicker. As we progress, we will eventually get to repacks and repaints, and we can decide if there is enough difference to warrant a separate vote on that figure. We could just say, "This figure is the same as the Saga version," and our final report would list both releases as being the same. Or we could say, "This figure is a repaint of the Saga version, is your opinion of this one any different?" Our final report would then list the figures together as being the same sculpt, but indicate which one people liked better.

There won't be too many figures where this will really be an issue. A lot of figures have only one sculpt. Many that have multiple sculpts haven't been redone so many times that it is hard to keep track of them all. Vader, ANH Luke, ANH Han, C-3PO, R2-D2, Chewbacca, Yoda, ROTS Obi-Wan, Clones and Storm/Sand/Snow/troopers will be the main ones that will take a while to get through.

I think that with something like the Cantina or Jabba's palace, after rating the individual figures, we could group figures together and have a runoff to determine the most essential figures from each of those scenes.

Keep the ideas and suggestions coming.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 02:04 AM
So, any other ideas or suggestions? Should I just go ahead and start something this weekend? As per Tycho's suggestion, I'll probably start things off with discussion about all the Ben Kenobi figures (only OT old Ben figures, no PT Obi-Wan figures). The thing I'm uncertain about at this point is how we want to rate the figures. It might be best to discuss the figures first, make sure we have accounted for them all, and determined which ones are actually unique figures. When rating figures, is something similar to the scale I proposed acceptable? I probably won't use those exact descriptions, but something with the same general idea.

So, let me know if I should just go ahead and get this going, or whether we should take time to discuss it further here. Some of the finer details can be ironed out as we go.

Tycho
04-11-2009, 02:23 AM
Do we really need a rating system?

I like the idea of a real DISCUSSION on the figures, and then having people JUST PICK ONE.

If you can have only 1 Ben Kenobi figure, which will it be?

It's a fill-in-the-blank answer that can be easily tallied and doesn't require calculus to quantify the answer.

If you go ahead and do this, I'm ready to participate BTW - but please post a link to the thread in this thread here so we'll all know about it. Thanks!

sebillba
04-11-2009, 02:44 AM
I'm raring to go with this as well. Just a quick check of my database, I have 10 different releases of old Obi-Wan, of which 9 are unique, plus 3 spirit/ghost figures - would we include these now, or would these be voted on separately? (Personally, I think they should all be lumped together since they're essenially the same costume, albeit a very different appearance.) I could post the links for these if you like... I have the links ready from RS, apart from the new Legacy figure which isn't in their archives yet, but we could use YakFace for that one.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Do we really need a rating system?

I like the idea of a real DISCUSSION on the figures, and then having people JUST PICK ONE.

If you can have only 1 Ben Kenobi figure, which will it be?

It's a fill-in-the-blank answer that can be easily tallied and doesn't require calculus to quantify the answer.

If you go ahead and do this, I'm ready to participate BTW - but please post a link to the thread in this thread here so we'll all know about it. Thanks!I would like to have some sort of rating, even if it is just thumbs up or thumbs down. With the Best/Worst poll, a lot of good figures get overlooked because they are in direct competition with other good figures. With this project, we can evaluate all the figures.

Still, even if we rate the figures, I think it is best to have a discussion first. That will also give us a chance to add any releases that I might overlook in my initial post. It will also give us a chance to discuss what might be the best way to get a figure if it has been re-released.


I'm raring to go with this as well. Just a quick check of my database, I have 10 different releases of old Obi-Wan, of which 9 are unique, plus 3 spirit/ghost figures - would we include these now, or would these be voted on separately? (Personally, I think they should all be lumped together since they're essenially the same costume, albeit a very different appearance.) I could post the links for these if you like... I have the links ready from RS, apart from the new Legacy figure which isn't in their archives yet, but we could use YakFace for that one.

I'll go ahead and get it started then. I just went through and tried to find all the Ben figures and it looks like I have 7 unique versions, 3 spirits, and one concept figure. I'll post a link here once I've got it up and running, and then you can add anything I may have missed.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 01:41 PM
Thread started here - http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=40272

Sebilba, I am wondering how your database is set up. The problem I ran into is in copying and pasting the links. If I just copy and paste, it won't bring the links with it. Since I've been creating it in a web page program, the tags wouldn't be the same even if I copied the source. I was able to manage all right though.

sebillba
04-11-2009, 04:01 PM
It's just a very basic Microsoft Works Database, with the following categories, which are useful to me:

Number (every figure is allocated a number, making them easier to identify if bagged up and packed away)
Character Name
Outfit / Scene
Species
Source (ie, which film, book, etc)
Accessories
Year of release
Range (ie, POTF2, POTJ, TLC, etc)
Comments
Location (loft or cabinet)
Link

The links are just copied and pasted from RS, and I don't seem to have any problems transferring them here in the same way, either as a straight paste, or using the hyperlink icon.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 05:14 PM
Well, to make it look like I did with the link attached to the text description, the format has to be left bracket, url= followed by the link and a right bracket. Then the link text followed by left bracket, slash, url and right bracket. If I just copy from the web pages I'm creating, it won't carry the link with it. If I show the page source, it has the actual html code, not the sort of code that works here.

I guess I could display my web page, copy the link and put it in here with the link button, then go back and copy the text and put it the proper place. This would require doing it one link at a time. What I did instead was copy the html source to a text editor, then did a find/replace to change the code to the proper format. Then I went through and cleaned up what I missed. Then I was able to paste the whole thing at once.

If I had the links and the descriptions I used here in a spreadsheet, I could use a formula to concatenate the text the way I wanted. However, my figure spreadsheet doesn't have links and doesn't have the descriptions like I have them here.

So, unless there is a simpler way that I am missing, I think what I did was easier than going back and forth copying and pasting each one individually.

sebillba
04-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Most of that went over my head tbh :crazed: but whatever you did, it seemed to work just fine. And yes, from my database I would need to copy and past each link individually. Well, I could copy a whole block of links in one go, and then add in the description next to each one, but your post looks a lot clearer.