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pbarnard
04-07-2009, 04:30 PM
Yep, Star Wars is still popular even in those who were too young to see the prequals!

http://www.slate.com/id/2215160/?GT1=38001

Yet another set of boys and their friends are hooked. The Saga still lives!!!:love:

Maybe I should stop making little boys and girls into veal. :thumbsup:

JediTricks
04-07-2009, 05:06 PM
I dunno what it is about that article, but it rubs me the wrong way. There's a slight disdain for Star Wars, and an odd misunderstanding about the structure and which movie the kid saw and which he didn't, and ultimately it concludes with nothing (it also misses the 3rd act of ANH, calling the escape from the Death Star the film's climax). I liked that kids were engaged when it came to why Obi-Wan died, that was really cool, a 6-year-old thinking about and being challenged by the philosophy of self-sacrifice rather than just being wowed by a big choreographed action scene. But I didn't get what the author was driving at with all the talk about the prequel material considering it doesn't enter into the main story of the article whatsoever.

pbarnard
04-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Most of her writing is crap on that site. 20 somethings getting puked on by the new economy etc.

I just take it at least her kids (and apparently their friends) are discovering Star Wars and enthralled just as we were. So Star Wars and all hobbies associated with it should live on at least one more generation.

Jargo
04-07-2009, 05:30 PM
*bangs head on desk repeatedly*

I really hate angst-y mothers. especially those who who buy into psychobabble. worying about star wars? jebus she should be glad tyhe babysitter didn't show the kids horror movies and porn. really want to grab some people and drag them into the real world where there's real things to worry about like getting food on the table and heat in the home. making it to the end of the street without getting knifed robbed shot or raped.

where i live the most prolific criminals are the ten/eleven year olds. and I don't even live in the worst part of town.

star wars is just lightweight fairystory fluff. some people need to get a grip and take the rose tinted spectacles off.

as for star wars living on. big deal. it's just a bunch of movies.

JediTricks
04-07-2009, 06:34 PM
Most of her writing is crap on that site. 20 somethings getting puked on by the new economy etc.

I just take it at least her kids (and apparently their friends) are discovering Star Wars and enthralled just as we were. So Star Wars and all hobbies associated with it should live on at least one more generation.
The OT is "true", as such, it never surprises me when a new crop of kids gets into it. I'm just glad to see the recent prequel hype and the overblown effects of the PT haven't dampened the OT's impact for them.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-07-2009, 08:31 PM
I read this article a few days ago when they first linked to it on the official site. This lady is a dip****, plan and simple. I don't even think she's seen the movie, or she would realize that there's nothing to worry about. How dare a child's imagination be sparked, oh, the horror!

sith_killer_99
04-07-2009, 11:33 PM
Who is this twit and why has ANYONE given her a vehicle for expressing herself. Is she the owner of the site?:confused:

Tycho
04-08-2009, 02:13 AM
Harry Potter teaches children about witchcraft and that's what Satan wants.

Kids will start believing in fairytale nonsense stuff instead of the "world history" they're brought up with in their culture. Oh. Wait a minute... :rolleyes:

Slicker
04-08-2009, 02:56 AM
I couldn't even finish that article. I love how all at the same time she makes her kids out to be utter geniuses, makes herself and her no doubts cowardly husband out to be great parents, and bashes the Holy Trilogy for being violent.

And then she lets her kids watch Bob the Builder. Why not Phineas and Ferb?!?!

Tycho
04-08-2009, 11:06 AM
A woman's perspective on Star Wars might be worthless. I said "might be" and don't mean my statement to include all women.

But a lot of men are predisposed to violence and being excited by it and the competition involved with it.

I am. I always have been. Deep down I'm a killer, combatant, even murderer in some places in my heart. That's who I am. I won't appologize, but I'll shoot you if you really feel like you can't live with it.

It's only whatever intellect I have that restrains my violent impulses - but I seek out violent music (Metallica) and other expressions of violence (Star Wars for a stint on the lighter side of it, maybe Rambo for the heavier blood and guts, stuff). And many women are just too different from men to understand that.

I hope this woman doesn't wind up divorced and raising her children as a single mother. Her boys need a parent who understands them. She is obviously very ill equipped to do this herself.

Snowtrooper
04-08-2009, 12:50 PM
There are far bigger evils out there to worry about than SW. If she thinks that by not showing her kids anything violent that they will never act violent, then she's an idiot.

Tycho
04-08-2009, 03:26 PM
It's funny, but that was exactly the Jedi philosophy in place in the prequels.

The kids would be taken as infants to be sheltered in the Jedi Temple as Younglings, and raised in accordance with a lot of this lady's philosophy.

That's why Anakin at age 9, was "too old to begin the training." He had been influenced by the crueler outside world, and competition and a sense of vengeance had been incorporated into him. Not to mention any plans he made for his life beyond slavery, whereas a Jedi's life was "enslaved" to serve others and embrace discipline with one's gifts with the Force.

On the other hand, the stoic Qui-Gon, sort of emotionless to the point where criticism was sent for Liam Neeson's acting and George Lucas' directing, was exactly the way a Jedi should be. He was older and wiser.

Obi-Wan was shown in contrast to that when he got majorly enraged with Darth Maul and nearly lost that fight.

"He's too reckless."

"So was I, if you remember."

Luke took maybe millions of lives when he destroyed the Death Star. He was not shown, nor would a Jedi ever, reveling in his victory going "Take that you mother-F'rs! That'll teach you to never shoot at me! I win! Nieener - Nieener - Nieener! :P "

But our humanity shows through in the characters we come to know in SW in the long term. Obi-Wan's frustrations with Anakin cause him to be sarcastic and short-tempered with him. So even Kenobi isn't perfect, but rather deals with a difficult situation he's put in, and to top it off, it seems to change him. In Clone Wars, I couldn't imagine Qui-Gon Jinn taunting Ventress and acting with such disrespect. He never even spoke to Darth Maul. He just respected him as an opponent and fought.

True, there is more passion in Obi-Wan's fights, taunts, and everything. But it is not the traditional Jedi way. If you notice, Yoda is actually teaching Jedi knowledge to both Dooku and Sidious, when they do battle. He confronts the Dark Side. Obi-Wan seems to make his fights personal at times.

Yes, I know taunting can throw an opponent off and make them reckless, too. It works on Ventress to say the least - and it adds emotion, passion, to the story being told.

But another point to be made is that Obi-Wan was raised in the temple, sheltered, and yet it was still his nature to develop frustration, sarcasm, impatience, wit, and other qualities that invest emotion.

Bringing it back to this lady and her kids, you can't breed that out of human nature. If you do, it creates effeminate males who are too nurturing and kind to be good at being traditional males in the first place. In any case, that doesn't seem natural to me.

Ando
04-08-2009, 04:22 PM
My wife told me about this article as we were driving to dinner last night and I stumbled onto this thread as I was about to ask her to send me a link to it.

Just another uppity anti TV/anti fun lefty woman. Poor kids.

Snowtrooper
04-08-2009, 07:17 PM
Bringing it back to this lady and her kids, you can't breed that out of human nature. If you do, it creates effeminate males who are too nurturing and kind to be good at being traditional males in the first place. In any case, that doesn't seem natural to me.


This is true. We see this all too much now days:men who don't know how to act like men. Fortunately, we're not all like that at this point. But as time goes by, it seems to get worse.

Tycho
04-08-2009, 07:51 PM
I whole-heartedly agree with Snowtrooper above.



Just another uppity anti TV/anti fun lefty woman. Poor kids.

Why do you think she's a "lefty?" It sounds to me like she's a Conservative Christian-type, just as if Sarah Palin wrote this article.

I won't evaluate that in this forum section. That's what we have The Rancor Pit section for, but I disagree with this lady's way to bring up her children regardless of whichever side of the politcial spectrum she comes from.

When I was a child, I was sent out of kindergarten (during recess of all times) and had to have my mother pick me up from the principal's office.

I was choking a fellow student on the playground.

My hands were crushing his windpipe and I was saying, "What happened to the plans you intercepted? Several transmissions were made to this ship by rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you!"

Granted, I might have killed another kid. At that time, I would have been fascinated by the experience. But I mostly wanted a gun, to wear a black vest, and kill green people by shooting them under the table - but I couldn't get my hands on a gun at that age and I've still never met any green people outside of Comic Con (and I suspect they weren't really green). :crazed:

Was Star Wars a bad influence on me? You could make that argument. But it also directly saved my life and brought more friends than I could count into my life, and prompted my interest in beginning a writing career. I'd say it has done a lot more good than bad in my life.

I saw the OT movies as they debuted (actually taking in ANH in 1979 when it returned to theaters for a short run to promote Empire Strikes Back).

Mad Slanted Powers
04-08-2009, 07:55 PM
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Why do you think she's a "lefty?" It sounds to me like she's a Conservative Christian-type, just as if Sarah Palin wrote this article.No, conservatives complain about sex, liberals complain about violence.

Tycho
04-08-2009, 08:29 PM
No, conservatives complain about sex, liberals complain about violence.

Not this "liberal." I like my sex AND violence. :D

Meanwhile, I was LOL at your quick analysis. I gathered you said it half-jokingly, but with some knowledge it might actually be true.

I think I'll start that topic in The Rancor Pit for a friendly debate. Or heck, maybe even a friendly agreement?

Ando
04-09-2009, 10:14 AM
I use the term lefty to not necessarily describe a person *political* views, but more in general their (what I consider compared to my own) backwards thinking. Especially when it's an extreme opposite of my own. I read that article and it just doesn't register in my brain right. She reminds me of someone who would force her family (husband included) to eat vegan or vegetarian, too.

I don't know this for a fact, I am just overgeneralizing. I live in The People's Republic of Portland, so I see and hear about this sort of parenting on a semi regular basis.

I agree with your point about effeminate and ineffective males and men.