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Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 01:36 PM
Greetings. In this thread, we will be evaluating all the Star Wars figures (4 inch scale) on a character by character basis. My hope is that when we are done, we will be able to put together a guide to help collectors, particularly those who are new or may have missed out on some figures. In the end, we should have a guide that will tell people which figures are the best versions of each character, which figures are some of the best of all time, and which ones aren't worth getting unless you are an absolute completist.

So, we will begin with a discussion of Ben Kenobi. This will cover only "Old Ben" from the Original Trilogy, and not the younger Obi-Wan from the prequels. I've gone through and found all the releases that I could. If you know of any others, even if they are just repacks or repaints, let me know and we can add it to the list. I'm exluding the spirit and concept figures for now. We will discuss them after we have evaluated the regular ones.

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtben.asp)
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2benkenobi.asp)
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2fxben.asp)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2cantinashowdown.asp)
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2benkenobiff.asp)
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjbenkenobi.asp)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thobiwanvader.asp)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 Saga Collectible Cup) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04cupnfigANH.asp) - same as 2000 POTJ
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2004 OTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC15benkenobi.asp) - same as 2000 POTJ
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 OTC Mos Eisley Cantina Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCsscantinaII.asp) - same as 1998 POTF2 Flashback
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vbenkenobi.asp)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 OTC ANH Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionANH.asp) - same as 2000 POTJ
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2006 TSC ANH Commemorative DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscANHdvd.asp) - same as 2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/TLC/basicfigures/34.html)


So, at this point, feel free to discuss any or all of the figures. You can simply state your favorite(s), or go into detail about the good and bad points a figure has. If you had to start all over again, which ones would you consider getting?

sebillba
04-11-2009, 01:49 PM
I can think of two unique Obi-Wans you've missed:

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtben.asp)
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2cantinashowdown.asp)

There's also another re-issue in the Millennium Falcon Passengers set... I think it's the VOTC without his cloak, but still need to check that out.

Tycho
04-11-2009, 01:52 PM
Excellent. BTW, while the spirit figures are of Sir Alec Guiness, they are a different figure like Han Hoth is to Han Endor, representing a different aspect of the character from even a different movie. I don't think they should compete. There ARE different styles of Spirit Ben Kenobis (blue, transparent color-faded).

Now as to discussing Ben Kenobi figures, including the ones Sibillba just thankfully brought up:

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) Not much to say here. He was what he was. I wish I could afford a loose (MINT) vintage collection with as many multiples as I wanted, and the playsets, too. I'd get at least 4 Obi-Wans for the Landspeeder, Falcon, Tractor Beam, Vader duel. This might be more for nostalgia and fun making more displays, but I don't want the expense, nor would I have the room.

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - this was good for a start. He looks like General Robert E. Lee (as portrayed by Martin Sheen) though. Also the landspeeder came out about this time and it took years before we got a soft-goods Obi-Wan who could sit in it, and even though that was later than 1999, it took those 4 years from '95 until we could at least add an E1 Accessory robe to the '95 Ben Kenobi so as to be able to sit him in the landspeeder. :rolleyes: I know Hasbro didn't know how successful restarting the line might be back then, but it was disappointing that this figure could not interact with a vehicle he was a primary focus as being seen in.

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - yuck

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) -eh

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - this is kind of a cool, one-pose wonder.

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - good for Falcon training scenes when Obi-Wan is standing up.

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - nice to have if you like to leave it in the box.

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 Saga Collectible Cup) - same as 2000 POTJ

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2004 OTC) - same as 2000 POTJ

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 OTC Mos Eisley Cantina Screen Scene) - same as 1998 POTF2 Flashback

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - I don't think the headsculpt was great, nor does the skirt matching the molded plastic chest all look like it belongs to the same inner robe. I didn't buy this figure.

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 OTC ANH Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection) - same as 2000 POTJ

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2006 TSC ANH Commemorative DVD Collection) - same as 2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - this figure looks to be about the very best. Too bad I don't need it and don't feel inclined to replace older Ben figures with this one. There will probably be an even better one that comes around at some point. But the headsculpt looks good and the accessory table is nice!

But get used to this happening: Tycho will post stating he didn't buy the very best one. :rolleyes:

Also the Training on the Falcon Battle Pack was not listed. I don't know where that Obi-Wan comes from, but I'm not rating it terribly highly either.

JetsAndHeels
04-11-2009, 02:08 PM
The one from TLC is my favorite, hands down.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 03:01 PM
Okay, I added the two that sebilba mentioned, but couldn't find a decent link for the Training on the Falcon set. It does appear to be the VOTC without the cloak.

For me, there really wasn't a decent Obi-Wan until the POTJ version, but his articulation was limited. I was happy with the VOTC version as it was a big improvement, but the cloak was a bit puffy, and the articulation could be better. Thus, the newest Legacy Collection version makes the VOTC one obsolete. If you had to get just one figure, I would get that one.

Being somewhat of a completist, I did end up getting most of the figures I had missed prior to beginning collecting in 1999. If I was to start over now, I would skip a lot of them, or avoid getting duplicates of the same sculpt. Thus, I would skip the following:

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - no need for gimmicky figures, especially in the bulky POTF2 style.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - extreme poses of figures I could get in another set.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - I'd just get the 2004 OTC Screen Scene instead.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 Saga Collectible Cup) - same as 2000 POTJ
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2004 OTC) - same as 2000 POTJ
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 OTC ANH Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection) - same as 2000 POTJ
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2006 TSC ANH Commemorative DVD Collection) - same as 2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary

I might be inclined to skip the POTJ version and get the DVD set to get several figures at once. However, if those sets are hard to find, it might be easier to just get the individual figures. I never got the DVD sets because I had the figures already, and I never got the Power FX or Collectible Cups.

sebillba
04-11-2009, 03:35 PM
I don't think there'll be too much argument here, the recent Legacy Collection version is by far the best, in sculpt, articulation and accessories. I only got my wave 5 this week, and opened up Old Ben last night.

This is undoubtedly the definitive version of this character, though I still have a soft spot for the POTJ release, and would rate that one quite highly as well. TLC Ben is still not quite perfect - the double neck joint is quite loose on mine (and I'm not sure if it's really necessary), though maybe it's just mine, and he seems to hold a pose ok, so it's not really a problem. The soft goods also took some work, but I eventually managed to get them to look pretty good with the hood down. I've also seen criticism of the fixed "force" pose on the right hand, but that doesn't really bother me.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-11-2009, 07:39 PM
Why did we start with Obi-Wan? Anyway, anyone getting into the hobby now can really skip any of the POTF2 versions. The original one has a crazy leg pose and that old-school split robe. The Power F/X is fun for a little bit but his green saber and hunchback are off-putting.

The new TLC one is the best one, but his neck is too skinny and people might not like the right hand. I would rebuy the figure if they changed these points, but I wouldn't care if they never did.

For aesthetic value, I also like the one that was released in the 25th Anniversary Set (re-released for a 2006 DVD commemorative set). That might be good for people who don't like soft goods robes. His cloak sits a little funky from time to time, and he's essentially a statue, but a damn good one and he looks great with the Vader also included in both sets.

But, again, the TLC one is the best version. He can sit in the landspeeder or on the chairs in the new Falcon (one in the cockpit and one in to watch Luke practice). He looks great with or without his cloak. His table accessory is also quite amazing. I have mine set up with the 2005 Early Bird Luke and the table and chest nearby and it's a nice little setup of Ben's house.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-11-2009, 07:54 PM
Why did we start with Obi-Wan?Tycho suggested it. It was one of the first figures out, and I guess it was first alphabetically, putting it at the top of Rebelscum's list. It was also a little easier than starting with Vader, Luke or the Droids.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-11-2009, 08:00 PM
I already made up a list of Tatooine Luke in the other thread, so that should have been easy for you (albeit without links). Luke, R2-D2, Leia, and Chewie should have been first since they were from the Early Bird set, but this is fine too.

Tycho
04-11-2009, 10:10 PM
MSP started with the Rebelscum Modern Collection List's order. That begins with Obi-Wan. If it's alphabetized, then since there's no "A", there's "B" for Ben.

But we're including vintage, too - just using the order from POTF2's debut.

We'll get to Luke soon enough.

A-
B- Ben Kenobi
C-3PO
C-hewbacca
D-arth Vader
E-
F-
G-
H-an Solo
I-
J-
K-
L-uke Skywalker
M-
N-
O-
P-rincess Leia Organa
Q-
R-2D2
S-tormtrooper

Next wave's all-new characters.... (Luke Pilot, Boba Fett, Lando, Luke Dagobah, Han Hoth, TIE Pilot, Yoda)

We can't forget Han Stormtrooper...

I think with the major characters, doing one character at a time is going to work out fine. There will be a lot of them and then it winds down where we can review several at a time if MSP wants to do it that way. I'd almost prefer not to. By going one at a time, we can do what we're doing here, and make our point about how to yet IMPROVE a character's figure.

Obviously, even with the lead the Legacy Collection Ben Kenobi figure has achieved, it is not regarded as completely perfect by collectors here, and ways to improve it have been suggested.

Question, since I don't have him: Does he have a non-ignited hilt that can hang from his belt? Also, while the table from his hut and the Holo Leia are great accessories, he could also include the blast shield helmet that Luke wore on the Falcon (or does he?) because Luke could come with so many more accessories, that you might as well add to Obi-Wan when you're also suggesting what would make the ultimate figure of Old Ben.

His trunk he retrieved Anakin's lightsaber out of (and that hilt) would also be cool inclusions. They've been done with various Obi-Wan's before, but everything in one package (however unrealistic that might be for Hasbro's bottom line) - as much of it as possible would make for one great Obi-Wan Kenobi!

sebillba
04-12-2009, 02:39 AM
Question, since I don't have him: Does he have a non-ignited hilt that can hang from his belt? Also, while the table from his hut and the Holo Leia are great accessories, he could also include the blast shield helmet that Luke wore on the Falcon (or does he?)

No and no. Everything he comes with can be seen here (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/ActionFigures/TLC/BD34/parts.html) - the lightsaber blade does not detach to create a separate hilt (I think it's all one piece, but will have to check on that), and there's nowhere on his belt to hang it anyway. The little "tea service" is permanantly attached to the table, but Leia can be removed - you can see the little peg she sits on, in the centre of the table.

Kidhuman
04-12-2009, 10:22 AM
A - Anakin Skywalker. He had a vintage figure. Why not start there?

sebillba
04-12-2009, 11:48 AM
Because we're going in chronological order, starting with the first new releases in 1995 - Ben being the first alphabetically of the first 9 figures. Basically, we're following this (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2figures.asp) order.

Snowtrooper
04-12-2009, 01:02 PM
The Obi-Wans that I liked out of these:

Vintage:Its the first Ben that we ever got and it looked more like its character than alot of the vintage figures did.


POTF2 Flashback: It had good articulation for the time. You could put it in the iconic pose. It had a good likeness too. Possibly the best hood up Ben we've gotten.

POTJ: It has possibly the best likeness of any Kenobi figure we've gotten with the possible exception of TLC. The limited articulation means he can't sit down which is how you see him most often when he's wearing this costume.

VOTC: I liked it but it wasn't worthy of the VOTC category. Subpar articulation compared to the rest of the VOTC and the cloak was pretty much a joke.

TLC: It still has cloak problems but not like the VOTC. Best articulation on a Ben Kenobi figure. Likeness is excellent. The loose neck joints are a problem and the neck is a bit skinny. The table was a nice accessory too.

BEST-TLC: Edges out POTJ 2000 due to articulation.

WORST-POTF2 Cantina Showdown: Ridiculous pose and he looks all puffy like he stuffed his clothes full of something.

Devo
04-12-2009, 03:41 PM
Theres no one definitive figure of a robed character - no figure that requires softgoods will ever be definitive for those people who hate softgoods - of which I am one. But the flipside is also true - a figure that needs to be able to move arms and legs, sit down etc can't be definitive if plastic robes prevent all this.

There could be definitive figures of characters like Han solo - as maximum poseability is possible due to his outfits not being robes. His clothes can always be sculpted and no one will complain about that. The potential pitfalls that could and do prevent a Han figure from being definitive is ugly joints, peaheads, poor likeness, innaccurate hairstyles/hairlength/haircolour for particular film, wierd facial expressions, incorrect blasters, mismatched body parts and ANOREXIA!!!! And on some figures hasbro have even been painting the wrong ethnicity (TAC jedi Luke is as black as Lando calrissian!! Captain Typho is now white apparently! Evolutions Qui-gon says Liam neeson is albino!!) If they could just get a handle on these problems we'd ALL be sorted.

But back to Ben Kenobi. I would recommend 3 figures -

POTJ 25th anniversary 2-pack - for the best sculpted Lightsaber Duel figure you will get

POTJ basic figure - for the best sculpted non-robed old Ben you'll get

OTC Dagobah Obi-wan - for the best spirit version

TLC basic figure - for the best all-purpose figure available (but with inherent aesthetic problems due to softgoods and ball-joint neck)

Tycho
04-12-2009, 08:50 PM
But back to Ben Kenobi. I would recommend 3 figures -

POTJ 25th anniversary 2-pack - for the best sculpted Lightsaber Duel figure you will get

POTJ basic figure - for the best sculpted non-robed old Ben you'll get

OTC Dagobah Obi-wan - for the best spirit version

TLC basic figure - for the best all-purpose figure available (but with inherent aesthetic problems due to softgoods and ball-joint neck)

Um - that's four (4) figures, and are you NOT voting for one of them as your absolute favorite?

Actually, I don't know what MSP wants from us in terms of stats he can work with. I just really like the discussion and everyone sharing their opinions about their favorite versions of characters (oh and we can cut you down to 3 above, because we aren't rating "spirit figures" at this particular time, as that's really a different figure altogether (like Han Hoth is to Han Endor).

But this thread is already a great one. I never realized there'd been 14 old Ben Obi-Wan figures already.

bigbarada
04-12-2009, 08:58 PM
When you guys need someone to come up with the comprehensive action figure lists for Ephant Mon, Hermi Odle and Amanaman, let me know and I'll take care of those guys. :p

Mad Slanted Powers
04-12-2009, 11:08 PM
Actually, I don't know what MSP wants from us in terms of stats he can work with. I just really like the discussion and everyone sharing their opinions about their favorite versions of characters (oh and we can cut you down to 3 above, because we aren't rating "spirit figures" at this particular time, as that's really a different figure altogether (like Han Hoth is to Han Endor).

But this thread is already a great one. I never realized there'd been 14 old Ben Obi-Wan figures already.I think that for characters like this in which there are so many versions, I thought it would be a bit much to ask someone to rate every one of them. Plus, if someone is looking to put together a collection of just the essentials, then they would definitely want one of each of the core characters. So, in this case, I think the discussion is better than ratings. As the discussion winds down, I'll post a summary of what people have said.

When we get to characters that have only seen one release, then it might make more sense to ask for a more specific rating. Since you don't have to determine which is the best version, it's just a matter of determining whether it is a quality figure and whether it is worth having in your collection.

I'm uncertain how I should proceed when I get to Darth Vader. There are probably more versions of him than any other figure, and it is so difficult to distinguish many of them. I'm thinking that it might be best to discuss him in stages. We could probably discuss everything through POTJ first, and then try to tackle the releases since then. Many of the later releases will be repacks or minor alterations to previous figures. We could have quite a discussion just trying to figure out which ones are truly unique.

Rocketboy
04-12-2009, 11:13 PM
I prefer my potato chip Ghost of Obi-Wan.

bigbarada
04-12-2009, 11:38 PM
I'm uncertain how I should proceed when I get to Darth Vader. There are probably more versions of him than any other figure, and it is so difficult to distinguish many of them. I'm thinking that it might be best to discuss him in stages. We could probably discuss everything through POTJ first, and then try to tackle the releases since then. Many of the later releases will be repacks or minor alterations to previous figures. We could have quite a discussion just trying to figure out which ones are truly unique.

Vader is a tough one, but there is definitely a visible turning point in the quality of Vader figures. The 1999 Commtech Vader was a significant improvement over every Vader figure that came before.

But for a while there were several different Vader sculpts that were simultaneously being recycled, retooled and rereleased as different Darth Vader figures:
POTF2 Commtech - I've lost count of how many times this Vader figure has been rereleased.
POTJ Emperor's Wrath - was rereleased without all the weird lighting effects in the OTC line and I'm pretty sure he's been used a few multipacks/Battle Packs. Also showed up as a hologram in the 2006 TSC line.
POTJ Masters of the Darkside - I know he showed up again in the Saga HOF sub-line and the OTC line.
VOTC Vader - I don't think he was ever available again individually carded, but he was rereleased in those Collector's Tin Sets.
500th Vader - was reused as the Hoth Vader in the 2006 TSC line.
Evolutions Vader - rereleased twice with a Hayden Christensen head in the 2007 TAC line and the 2006 Collector's Tin; also rereleased as an Evolutions set and recently was individually carded with a new head sculpt and a 2-piece removable helmet.

You could also treat Vaders with removable helmets as a different category. Ep3 Vader should probably be considered a separate category as well.

One anomaly is going to be the POTJ Dagobah Spirit Vader. Is that considered Vader, Luke or just a spirit?

bigbarada
04-12-2009, 11:55 PM
Also, these have all been rereleased at least once, I believe:

2002 Bespin Duel Vader - showed up again in the Bespin Dining Room BP
2003 Throne Room Duel Vader - I seem to remember him being rereleased with a new arm, but I do know that he had the same cape as the Bespin Duel Vader.
2005 Ep3 Vader (with the action feature) - I know for sure he was rereleased with the 2007 TAC Collectors' Coin Album.

Tycho
04-12-2009, 11:57 PM
I think we need to cover all the Darth Vader figures at once. We're answering the question "which one should you really have in your collection?" not "which one from amongst several figures from several years?"

Dagobah Vader (the apparition) should probably be evaluated as a separate figure if spirits, ghosts, etc. are treated appropriately. It's not meant to represent Darth Vader in his usual form.

It won't immediately matter since I think C-3PO and Chewbacca are up before Vader is, and we should handle that. But now there are lists for Luke Skywalkers and Darth Vaders floating around here that could be used wisely as great resources.

Anyway, I suggest we wait and see if any new people that log on moreso during the weekdays have anything more to say about old Ben Kenobi before we leave all discussion of him behind.

bigbarada
04-13-2009, 12:16 AM
Oh yeah, Ben. :o I would pick the TLC version as the best just because it's the only "all-purpose" Ben Kenobi figure that can do everything that he did in ANH (aside from speak, of course). People can argue the merits of soft-goods versus sculpted plastic robes all day long, but if someone just wanted one Ben Kenobi figure, then the TLC version should suit their needs no matter what they plan to do with it.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-13-2009, 12:17 AM
I'll do the Vader list when the time comes, since I know all the differences (or can look up the different versions and tell the differences from there). It's already more complicated than bigbarada has mentioned, but not too horrible. There's more repacks than really anything else.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-13-2009, 12:40 AM
I think we need to cover all the Darth Vader figures at once. We're answering the question "which one should you really have in your collection?" not "which one from amongst several figures from several years?"This I understand. I merely meant that we would discuss a few at a time, because presenting a list of 50 Vaders might be a bit overwhelming.


Dagobah Vader (the apparition) should probably be evaluated as a separate figure if spirits, ghosts, etc. are treated appropriately. It's not meant to represent Darth Vader in his usual form.This I will try to do, along with bigbarada's suggestion of doing removable helmet versions separately.


It won't immediately matter since I think C-3PO and Chewbacca are up before Vader is, and we should handle that. But now there are lists for Luke Skywalkers and Darth Vaders floating around here that could be used wisely as great resources.Indeed, but being 4th in line, he isn't too far off, so I was giving warning that I might do things a bit different with him, but may be open to suggestions.


Anyway, I suggest we wait and see if any new people that log on moreso during the weekdays have anything more to say about old Ben Kenobi before we leave all discussion of him behind.Agreed. Already, it seems pretty clear that the newest TLC version is the best, despite a few flaws people have pointed out (soft goods cloak, neck issues). So, perhaps we should focus the discussion on something else that is not yet clear.

For sculpted robe figures, we have two hood up versions - POTF2 Flashback and the 25th Anniversary. Devo and Mr. JabbaJohnL prefer the 25th Anniversary version, while Snowtrooper preferred the Flashback version. I would probably prefer the Flashback version because it has more articulation. However, the 25th Anniversary version comes with the companion Darth Vader figure and makes a nice display piece in or out of the box. I also suggested that you could skip the Flashback version and get the same figure in the 2004 Cantina Cinema Scene.

However, if you haven't chimed in yet, don't limit yourself to discussing just those two figures. Your opinions on all of them are still welcome.

Tycho
04-13-2009, 01:02 AM
Well I actually did want to chime in on those 2 Obi-Wan figures.

I think if you did not already have a removeable-arm Ponda Baba, and this is of course the only way to get the nostalgia-valued Blue Snaggletoothe's modern update, then getting the Flashback Obi-Wan this way, would be preferred. I prefer the FB over the 25th Anniversary 2-pack as it stands, but I own both. By the way, the same articulation issue with the Anniv. 2-pack that others cited serves my reasoning, too.

The Anniv. 2-pack set is actually a cool thing that I bought that I want to keep packaged. I mean what are you going to do if you opened those figures, but recreate that same scene anyway? So it's perfect the way it is, for what it is. It's just not the best Old Obi-Wan.

Yeah, even though I don't own one, nor do I plan to buy one, TLC Obi-Wan (on pegs in stores now) is by far the best representation of this character. It was originally going to be part of an Obi-Wan Evolutions set, with TPM, AOTC, and ANH represented. (The ROTS General Kenobi figure is still easily available in many markets as a Legends or Greatest Hits figure - whatever they ship him as.)

By the way, don't get confused by my digression: we are only discussing Sir Alec Guiness representations of a living BEN Obi-Wan Kenobi right now.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-13-2009, 02:25 AM
We don't need to move on to Vader yet, but here is a list I just made:

*Darth Vader – Star Wars (Vintage), 1978
*Darth Vader – The Power of the Force, 1995
*Prince Xizor vs. Darth Vader – Shadows of the Empire, 1996
*Darth Vader (Electronic Power F/X) – The Power of the Force, 1997
*Darth Vader, Final Jedi Duel cinema scene – The Power of the Force, 1997
*Darth Vader, Complete Galaxy Death Star – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader, Gunner Station TIE Fighter – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader with Removable Helmet – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader with Removable Dome, Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader – The Power of the Force, 1999 (Flashback Photo)
*Darth Vader with Imperial Interrogation Droid – The Power of the Force, 1999
*Darth Vader (Dagobah) – Power of the Jedi, 2000
*Darth Vader, Masters of the Dark Side – Power of the Jedi, 2000
*Darth Vader (Emperor’s Wrath) – Power of the Jedi, 2001
*Darth Vader (2002 New York Toy Fair) – Silver Anniversary, 2002
*Darth Vader, Figuras de Colecciσn – Power of the Jedi, 2002*
*Darth Vader, Final Duel – Power of the Jedi, 2002
*Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) – Star Wars “Saga”, 2002
*Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003
*Darth Vader (Death Star Clash) – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003/2004*
*Darth Vader, Imperial Forces – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003
*Darth Vader (Return of the Jedi) – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004*
*Darth Vader (The Empire Strikes Back) – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004*
*Darth Vader (A New Hope) – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004*
*Darth Vader, Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004
*Darth Vader – The Original Trilogy Collection “Vintage”, 2004
*Darth Vader – Silver Saga Edition, 2004
*Darth Vader, Darth Vader’s TIE Fighter – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2005*
*Darth Vader (Death Star Hangar) – “Post-Original Trilogy Collection”, 2005*
*Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader (Lava Reflection) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader (Celebration III) – Celebration III, 2005*
*Darth Vader (Special Edition 500th Figure) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader, Collectible Figures and Cups – Revenge of the Sith, 2005*
*Darth Vader, Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader, Evolutions Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader, Collector Pack – Revenge of the Sith, 2005*
*Holiday Darth Vader – Holiday 2005 Edition, 2005
*Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) – The Saga Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader (Free & Exclusive at Woolworth’s) – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader – The Episode III Heroes & Villains Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) – The Saga Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader, The Hunt for the Millennium Falcon: Bounty Hunter Pack – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Commemorative Episode IV DVD Collection – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Episode III Gift Pack – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Death Star Briefing – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Imperial Shuttle – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader (Episode IV), Commemorative Tin Collection – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader (Episove VI), Commemorative Tin Collection – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader, Star Wars #1 Comic Packs – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2006 (two versions available)
*Darth Vader, 30th Anniversary Coin Album – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader (Sith Lord) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader – 30th Anniversary Collection Saga Legends, 2007*
*Darth Vader, Order 66 – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader, Capture of the Tantive IV Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader, Betrayal at Bespin Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Spirit of Darth Vader, Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader, I Am Your Father’s Day set – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Concept Darth Vader (Ralph McQuarrie Signature Series) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader, Star Wars #4 Comic Packs – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader (Hologram) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader (Episode VI Exclusive Edition), Commemorative Tin Collection, 2007*
*Battle-Damaged Darth Vader – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2008
*Darth Vader, Attack on Kashyyyk Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader, Droid Factory – The Legacy Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader – The Legacy Collection, 2008
*Battle-Damaged Darth Vader – The Legacy Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader – The Legacy Collection Saga Legends, 2008*
*Darth Vader with Incinerator Troopers – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader, Empire 1: Betrayal #1 Comic Packs – The Legacy Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader, Infinities: Return of the Jedi Comic Packs – The Legacy Collection, 2008
*Darth Vader, Legends of the Saga – The Legacy Collection, 2009*
*Spirit of Darth Vader, Jedi Training on Dagobah – The Legacy Collection, 2009

I'll have comments on it later. I count 43 unique versions and many other repacks.

Tycho
04-13-2009, 02:36 AM
You see: we'd all really get into this hobby if Hasbro would only make 43 different unique figures of Sio Bibble!

sebillba
04-13-2009, 04:04 AM
I was actually quite looking forward to rating each figure. If we're not doing that, it seems a bit pointless listing every single release of each figure - we might as well all just throw our own choices into the hat and let the discussion progress from there. We will all have our favourites, and we're not likely to forget about those - any versions we do forget, well there's probably a good reason for that. I mean, for characters with multiple versions, we might as well just ignore any POTF2 releases - but if any of them do have any merit (like they might be the only versions without any soft goods), then someone will bring them up. I just think it will get tedious going through lists of, say, Darth Vader figures which we already know aren't the defintive version.

I'm also wondering if POTJ Ben should be classed as a different outfit - in which case it's an automatic "must have". Sure, you get the same look by removing the robe from TLC Ben, but I seem to remember someone saying we should vote on the Jedi Duel and Tatooine versions of PT Obi and Qui-Gon as separate figures, where the only difference is the outer robe.

As for the all-sculpted look for Ben figures, I'm torn between FB and 25th. The FB is slightly less pre-posed and has better articulation, but also has the head/hood as all one piece, with the face painted on, which is one of my pet hates - I much prefer heads to be molded in flesh coloured plastic, with painted details than to be painted with flesh tones. In that way I much prefer the head on the 25th fig, with its separate hood, but because of the pose, it's really best displayed MIB with DV. So both have their plus and minus points, and I can't choose between them, so still display both.

Tycho
04-13-2009, 06:00 AM
There's merit to what Sibillba is saying with the Falcon Training Ben (POTJ) and the cloak-including Bens, because of the Jedi Duel issue figures from the PT (when we get there). However, I'm not sure we need to separate those (the PT Jedi figures). You'll all have your favorites and you'll have reasons for that being the case.

There's still a much larger difference between Tatooine Luke and an X-wing Pilot Luke figure.

But what about Leia Hoth and Leia Bespin Escape? Same outfit minus a vest but with a different hairstyle.

This is going to make us all crazy.

MSP: can you distribute medication?

Devo
04-13-2009, 06:28 AM
Um - that's four (4) figures, and are you NOT voting for one of them as your absolute favorite?

lol When I edited my post to add the Spirit figure I forgot to edit my ''3'' to a ''4''.

I dunno, I would include spirit Ben - its the same character, there are only 3 seperate spirit figures of old ben ever made am I right? I think it'd be pointless to have a seperate discussion on a mere 3 figures...sort of like when theres only a choice of 3 figures in the Best/Worst thread.

I can't point to one single Old Ben figure that I think people should have to the exclusion of all others because I really don't think there is one definitive figure of him..and as I said in my post I don't think its possible in his particular case.

sebillba
04-13-2009, 06:43 AM
I agree with Devo about including the spirit figures, it's essentially the same outfit. The Dagobah Ben looks more like the regular Ben figures than the Falcon Training Ben, it's just a different kind of plastic. Unless it's a complete change of outfit, we should lump them all together.

It's the same with the holo figures - apart from maybe Palpatine, there's only one holo version of each character, so when we get to someone like Aayla Secura or Ki-Adi Mundi, we should just include the holos with the regular figs.

And going back to the robed versions, Ep3 Obi has had virtually the same figure released at least 4 times - two without a cloak (but with slight tweaks to articulation / head sculpt / different accessories), one with a plastic cloak and one with a soft goods cloak, so it wouldn't make sense to count these as different outfits when they're all virtually the same figure.

Devo
04-13-2009, 07:06 AM
As the discussion winds down, I'll post a summary of what people have said.

You should perhaps have a particular format for those posts to make them stand out - in much the same way that Jaff's ''new round'' posts are easily seen or JediTricks opening Q&A posts. You've given yourself some work to do here! :D


One anomaly is going to be the POTJ Dagobah Spirit Vader. Is that considered Vader, Luke or just a spirit?

I'd call him a Vader. A vader shaped spirit technically but he would never be sold as ''Luke skywalker in Darth Vader spirit disguise''!

bigbarada
04-13-2009, 08:55 AM
We don't need to move on to Vader yet, but here is a list I just made:

*Darth Vader – Star Wars (Vintage), 1978
*Darth Vader – The Power of the Force, 1995
*Prince Xizor vs. Darth Vader – Shadows of the Empire, 1996
*Darth Vader (Electronic Power F/X) – The Power of the Force, 1997
*Darth Vader, Final Jedi Duel cinema scene – The Power of the Force, 1997
*Darth Vader, Complete Galaxy Death Star – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader, Gunner Station TIE Fighter – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader with Removable Helmet – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader with Removable Dome, Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game – The Power of the Force, 1998
*Darth Vader – The Power of the Force, 1999 (Flashback Photo)
*Darth Vader with Imperial Interrogation Droid – The Power of the Force, 1999
*Darth Vader (Dagobah) – Power of the Jedi, 2000
*Darth Vader, Masters of the Dark Side – Power of the Jedi, 2000
*Darth Vader (Emperor’s Wrath) – Power of the Jedi, 2001
*Darth Vader (2002 New York Toy Fair) – Silver Anniversary, 2002
*Darth Vader, Figuras de Colecciσn – Power of the Jedi, 2002*
*Darth Vader, Final Duel – Power of the Jedi, 2002
*Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) – Star Wars “Saga”, 2002
*Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003
*Darth Vader (Death Star Clash) – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003/2004*
*Darth Vader, Imperial Forces – Star Wars “Saga”, 2003
*Darth Vader (Return of the Jedi) – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004*
*Darth Vader (The Empire Strikes Back) – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004*
*Darth Vader (A New Hope) – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004*
*Darth Vader, Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2004
*Darth Vader – The Original Trilogy Collection “Vintage”, 2004
*Darth Vader – Silver Saga Edition, 2004
*Darth Vader, Darth Vader’s TIE Fighter – The Original Trilogy Collection, 2005*
*Darth Vader (Death Star Hangar) – “Post-Original Trilogy Collection”, 2005*
*Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader (Lava Reflection) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader (Celebration III) – Celebration III, 2005*
*Darth Vader (Special Edition 500th Figure) – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader, Collectible Figures and Cups – Revenge of the Sith, 2005*
*Darth Vader, Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader, Evolutions Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader – Revenge of the Sith, 2005
*Darth Vader, Collector Pack – Revenge of the Sith, 2005*
*Holiday Darth Vader – Holiday 2005 Edition, 2005
*Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) – The Saga Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader (Free & Exclusive at Woolworth’s) – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader – The Episode III Heroes & Villains Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) – The Saga Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader, The Hunt for the Millennium Falcon: Bounty Hunter Pack – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Commemorative Episode IV DVD Collection – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Episode III Gift Pack – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Death Star Briefing – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader, Imperial Shuttle – The Saga Collection, 2006*
*Darth Vader (Episode IV), Commemorative Tin Collection – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader (Episove VI), Commemorative Tin Collection – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2006
*Darth Vader, Star Wars #1 Comic Packs – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2006 (two versions available)
*Darth Vader, 30th Anniversary Coin Album – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader (Sith Lord) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader – 30th Anniversary Collection Saga Legends, 2007*
*Darth Vader, Order 66 – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader, Capture of the Tantive IV Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader, Betrayal at Bespin Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Spirit of Darth Vader, Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader, I Am Your Father’s Day set – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Concept Darth Vader (Ralph McQuarrie Signature Series) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader, Star Wars #4 Comic Packs – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader (Hologram) – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007
*Darth Vader (Episode VI Exclusive Edition), Commemorative Tin Collection, 2007*
*Battle-Damaged Darth Vader – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2008
*Darth Vader, Attack on Kashyyyk Battle Pack – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2007*
*Darth Vader, Droid Factory – The Legacy Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader – The Legacy Collection, 2008
*Battle-Damaged Darth Vader – The Legacy Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader – The Legacy Collection Saga Legends, 2008*
*Darth Vader with Incinerator Troopers – 30th Anniversary Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader, Empire 1: Betrayal #1 Comic Packs – The Legacy Collection, 2008*
*Darth Vader, Infinities: Return of the Jedi Comic Packs – The Legacy Collection, 2008
*Darth Vader, Legends of the Saga – The Legacy Collection, 2009*
*Spirit of Darth Vader, Jedi Training on Dagobah – The Legacy Collection, 2009

I'll have comments on it later. I count 43 unique versions and many other repacks.

Don't forget the Classic Edition 4-pack Darth Vader, which is essentially just a 1995 rerelease of the vintage mold:
http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2classicedition4pack.asp

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-13-2009, 01:53 PM
If MSP (or whoever) has the time or desire to count all the ratings, then yeah, I suppose we should rate these figures, if you so choose.

For Vader, we can split him up into a few different categories: A New Hope, non-ANH, and oddball (like silver, holiday, concept, etc.). If people wanted, you could also do removable helmet versions, but there is overlap since there are ANH and non-ANH figures that have this feature. You could also pit all the repacks or slight retools against each other to see which version of that one is the best - since the VOTC Vader has been rereleased over and over, for instance, you might rank the Attack on Kashyyyk pack higher than the Grand Admiral Trachta pack, or vice versa.

Snowtrooper
04-13-2009, 05:07 PM
Yeah, that list definitely needs to be broken up. I really don't want to list pros and cons of all those Vaders in one post.

Tycho
04-13-2009, 06:30 PM
PRO: He's articulated and has a cape and a lightsaber.

CON: He's ALSO supposed to be another Darth Vader.

It's about that easy.:rolleyes:

Mad Slanted Powers
04-13-2009, 08:59 PM
I was actually quite looking forward to rating each figure. If we're not doing that, it seems a bit pointless listing every single release of each figure - we might as well all just throw our own choices into the hat and let the discussion progress from there. We will all have our favourites, and we're not likely to forget about those - any versions we do forget, well there's probably a good reason for that. I mean, for characters with multiple versions, we might as well just ignore any POTF2 releases - but if any of them do have any merit (like they might be the only versions without any soft goods), then someone will bring them up. I just think it will get tedious going through lists of, say, Darth Vader figures which we already know aren't the defintive version.These are some good points, but I think the same thing could be said for going through and rating each figure. We know that most of the POTF2 releases and gimmicky figures won't be given much consideration, so they might not be worth rating. Essentially, we are just throwing out our own choices, because you can choose which ones you want to discuss. I just figure it's better to list all the versions we can think of, because I would like to address them all in the final analysis. Also, with so many Vader figures coming in recent years, I can't recall what features each one had, so I couldn't tell you for sure which one my favorite was without having a list and researching them.

I think that it just may be that different figures may require different strategies. Since we didn't have too many Ben figures, it was fairly easy to list them all together and discuss them in one shot. With Vader, as you can see from Mr.JJL's list, that would be too much, and many of the later releases are repacks, or the differences are not always easy to see. I tend not to notice a lot of details, especially since I probably haven't examined most of my figures very closely.

I'm still considering doing some sort of ratings, but for figures with many multiple sculpts, I think it is best to discuss them first. For something like Vader with an obscene number of releases, we can probably weed out half of them as being identical or nearly identical to something else. Then we could have people rate the remaining ones. Also, as MrJJL suggested (or something similar to what he is saying I think), we could determine which is the best way to get a particular release. We've done that a bit with Ben by suggesting to pass up the Flashback figure because you can get it in a Screen Scene.

In the end, I don't want this to just be a way to get the best of each figure. In some cases, a best won't be as clear cut. I'd also like it to be a guide for someone such as myself who sort of a figure completist. I don't need to buy repacks or minor repaints, so I'll pass on some figures and many of the battle packs. If I was starting over right now, I'd probably skip a lot of carded figures and just get the multipacks they appeared in.

If people think we should do ratings, how would you suggest rating them? Would this be acceptable?:

0 - Not worth getting. For extreme completists only.
1 - Not very good, but best or only version of this figure available
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - The best version of this figure, if not one of the better figures of all time

The final rating would be on a 4.0 scale, so I could assign a letter grade if I wanted.

If this is acceptable, then when we are done discussing Ben, I'll eliminate duplicates from the list and ask people to rate the figures. I'm willing to take our time on Ben so that we can get a good process in place for all the other figures.

Tycho
04-13-2009, 10:16 PM
I'd augment your choices like this (adding 2):

0 - Not worth getting. For extreme completists only.
1 - Not very good, but best or only version of this figure available
2 - Just not very good**
3 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
4 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
5- the best version of this character **
6 - The best version of this figure, if not one of the better figures of all time

** - a figure can just not be very good, but not the ONLY version of the character that's available.

** - a figure could be the best version of a character (like the new Grand Admiral Thrawn) but not be one of the better figures of all time. (Thrawn doesn't come even close to comparing to Ephant Mon!)

Mad Slanted Powers
04-13-2009, 11:33 PM
I'd augment your choices like this (adding 2):

0 - Not worth getting. For extreme completists only.
1 - Not very good, but best or only version of this figure available
2 - Just not very good**
3 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
4 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
5- the best version of this character **
6 - The best version of this figure, if not one of the better figures of all time

** - a figure can just not be very good, but not the ONLY version of the character that's available.

** - a figure could be the best version of a character (like the new Grand Admiral Thrawn) but not be one of the better figures of all time. (Thrawn doesn't come even close to comparing to Ephant Mon!)
I think in the first case, if a figure is not very good and there are other versions of it, then it is not worth getting. In the latter, I did say that 3 could be a good choice if you want only one. That could mean it is the best best version.

So, maybe it is just a matter of how we define the numbers rather than needing to add more choices.

sebillba
04-14-2009, 03:17 AM
Your 0 to 4 rating looks ok to me. I must admit, I was unsure of the #1 grade at first, probably for the same reason as Tycho, but the more I think about it, it seems fine for the purpose of this survey. Maybe we could lose the "extreme" from the first category - I have (and am pleased to have) most versions that I would need to rate as '0' but wouldn't consider myself as an extreme completist. But hey, that's just a minor nitpick.

To address Tycho's other point about the best figures of all time, perhaps the top rating could be re-worded to something like "The definitive version of this figure, which needs little or no improvement." This could easily be applied to TLC Thrawn, without comparing him to figures like Ephant Mon (or VTSC Greedo!!!).

Mad Slanted Powers
04-14-2009, 09:42 AM
Yeah, that's the rating problem when it comes to figures with one or few releases. A couple examples I was thinking of were Uncle Owen and Dr. Evazan. In terms of wanting to get one of each character, and more specifically, one of each speaking character, those two would be essential. However, the best versions of them would probably rate a 1 on my scale at best. So, that might suggest people pass. However, they are available in multipacks, so as a set they might be reasonable purchases. That is all info that could be added to a final report on the figures.

I think I used extreme completist on 0 to account for how I might approach collecting. I'd probably put the FX Obi-Wan in that category since I would almost not consider it a regular figure, and it is pretty similar to the basic figures. The only plus would be the base and the light-up saber. However, I see what you mean. POTF2 R5-D4 or Saga "Flying" R2 might get that rating, but those are unique basic figure sculpts, so it is possible I would give them a 1, though most would probably give them a 0.

So, tonight I'll post the scale with slightly different descriptions. I'll consider suggestions others make in the meantime.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-15-2009, 12:05 AM
I eliminated some of the rating description that seemed to limit a rating:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

And a more in depth description of each of the numbers:

0 - I would probably say a figure is not worth getting if it is an epic fail, or just not that great and there are plenty of other versions that are better.

1 - A figure that might normally be a 0 could get a 1 instead if it is the only version of a figure. Some crappy figures might get a 1 just because they have some redeeming value.

2 - This figure might have been a good figure for its time, but is out of date now. It has been or should be improved upon. It could also be a newer figure that doesn't live up to modern standards, but isn't a terrible figure.

3 - These should all be pretty good figures. Possibly, but not necessarily, the best version of a character. Some core characters might have more than one good version.

4 - These will be some of the best figures of all time. Perhaps some won't be perfect, but they will at least be very good figures that are the best versions of their respective characters.


Okay, perhaps I will rate the Obi-Wan figures with my 0-4 scale and give reasons why I rated them that way. Perhaps this will help explain what I think the ratings should represent. I'm only rating unique figures.

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 4 This is obviously the best Old Ben. Some might not want to give it a 4 do to some shortcomings, but I'm more than content with this one.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 3 - Before the TLC one came out, I thought this one was great except for the puffy robe and no leg articulation. Perhaps other would be less generous and give him a 2.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 2 - A good figure and and likeness. I'm tempted to give it a 3 due to the impression I had of it at the time, but no cloak and even less articulation than VOTC.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 I'd probably like to rate this one less than the POTJ, but this does represent him well for the final duel
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 Ditto what I said about the Flashback version. Plus, the set as a whole is cool.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 0 - It's actually an okay figure by vintage standards, but doesn't really fit in with the modern line. There are probably very few that do, and most are probably troopers or aliens.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 0 This one just doesn't look good in it's POTF2 style, and with so many better versions, no reason to get this one.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0 - Extreme pose, and better sculpts of all these characters can all be found in other sets or separately (basically this is a 0 for the whole set, but since we are discussing Ben, it is also saying that he is not a reason to buy this set)
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 0 - Only unique thing about this is the base and the light-up saber. Otherwise, it is probably not as good a other Ben's of the POTF2 era.

If no one has any objections, then proceed to rate the same figures I rated. You don't have to go into details, as many of you already have. I just did for the purposes of illustrating why I rated them the way I did.

Tycho
04-15-2009, 12:27 AM
I already discussed my opinions about the Old Ben Kenobi figures, so I'll just rate them:

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 3

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 2

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 2

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 1 - but he's very necessary if you're collecting the vintage figures.

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 1

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0 -

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 0

bigbarada
04-15-2009, 12:31 AM
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 3 (not perfect, but the best thus far)

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 3 (just for the historical significance of being one of the original 12)

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 2 (an okay all-purpose Ben Kenobi, but he has some glaring problems.)

These are all fine for specific displays or dioramas, but not that great as all-purpose figures:
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 2

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2

These are just outdated and were barely passable when they were first released:
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 0

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 0

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-15-2009, 12:41 AM
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 1
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 0
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 3
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 3
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 2
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 4

sebillba
04-15-2009, 10:26 AM
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 4 I wouldn't class this as one of the best figures of all time, but it's the definitive Ben, and despite its small faults, I'd be happy if it's never re-made, as I don't want to have to buy it again.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 3 a little scene specific without the robe, but still a very nice figure.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 2 a big improvement over POTF2, but the soft goods are terrible (both inner and outer robs), and articulation is either non-existent (legs) or awkward (arms).
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 not a bad figure, but marked down for the pre-pose and painted face.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 again marked down because of the extreme pose.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 2 - I've ranked this based on my own collecting habits - I collect vintage as well as modern, and this is far more essential to me than any POTF2 version.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 0 nothing to say really about any of the POTF2 figures, all mine have been consigned to the loft as they're not needed in my displays.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 0

DarkJedi5
04-15-2009, 12:25 PM
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 4 – It’s the best Ben we’ve got as it can finally sit in a land speeder and remove the cloak and he’s ready to train budding Jedi aboard a light freighter. The weird neck and the gesture made with the right hand are my only beefs but the hand really bothers me.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 3 – If you can live with the crappy articulation and puffy robe knock yourself out.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 3 – A statue and not an action figure by any means, but one of the best sculpted figures of Ben ever. If you’re not going to play with it and display him in the duel scene this would be a great choice.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 2 - A good figure and it works but all it offers is a newish costume that hadn’t been marketed directly like this before.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 1 – Completely outshined by the 25th anniversary version.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 0 - I rate this a 0 but it does deserve to be pointed out that this was one of the first figures to get the line relaunched and so maybe a diehard collector would buy one. If so, I’ll sell you mine.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 0 – Way before my time and I never had any interest in trying to get it either.
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) – 0 – I never understood the point, it’s barely a toy and more like a display piece with a crappy gimmick.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0 - Terrible figure.

TheDarthVader
04-15-2009, 12:29 PM
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 1 (just for the fun factor)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 2
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 3 (this one just seems oddly refined-classic)
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 3
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 4

Snowtrooper
04-15-2009, 10:44 PM
Vintage: 2
1995 POTF2: 0
1997 POTF2 F/X: 0
1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown: 0
1998 POTF2 Flashback: 3
2000 POTJ: 3
2002 POTJ 25th Ann:3
2004 VOTC: 2
2008 TLC: 4

Tycho
04-16-2009, 01:37 AM
It looks like there's going to be 8 or 9 of us voting in this thread, initially (Rocketboy hasn't voted with the new ranking system yet).

I'd suppose it is then almost time to move on to C-3PO, if that is the next character. (RS's ABC order of the modern collection: Ben Kenobi, C-3PO, Chewbacca, Darth Vader...and so on, for the first 9).

Mad Slanted Powers
04-16-2009, 02:07 AM
It looks like there's going to be 8 or 9 of us voting in this thread, initially (Rocketboy hasn't voted with the new ranking system yet).

I'd suppose it is then almost time to move on to C-3PO, if that is the next character. (RS's ABC order of the modern collection: Ben Kenobi, C-3PO, Chewbacca, Darth Vader...and so on, for the first 9).Actually, as long as we are on Ben, I was going to introduce the spirit figures first, along with the concept figure. There won't be many figures there, and then we can move onto C-3PO this weekend.

So, here are the figures.

Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2spirit.asp)
Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2jedispirits.asp)
Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC03spiritobiwan.asp)
Spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp) - repaint of 2004 OTC

Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSDCCmcobiyoda.asp)

Unless I am missing any others, I think you can go ahead and rate these if you want. I don't see much of a difference between the OTC Spirit Obi-Wan and the repaint in the Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack, so just give one rating there. If you happen to think one of them is better, please indicate which one and why.

People can continue to rate the other Ben Kenobi figures as well.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-16-2009, 02:36 AM
*Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 1 - I was going to give it a zero, but it still looks pretty cool. It's not really accurate to anything but it's nifty. I suppose nowadays you could use it as a hologram.
*Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 1 - Ditto with above. It has a different look and feel to it, despite being very similar to that other one.
*Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 4 - I love this one. I figure someday they'll do a new one with soft goods like the 2007 Anakin, but this one is still really good. He really does seem to have a blue sheen to him. I don't have the Battle Pack (there are two versions of the Vader in this set, so I might get the new one when it comes out in a little while), but I think people could just get the basic carded release, as the other figures in that set are done better in their own carded releases.

*Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 4 - I love concept figures and this one is great. He doesn't have much competition but he looks great with all the other concept figures, so get it if you can.

sebillba
04-16-2009, 08:53 AM
*Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 0
*Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 1 - I was going to rate this one the same as the 97 version, but if you want to recreate the scene from ROTJ with Yoda and Anakin, this one is still needed to match the style of the other two (until Yoda is remade to match the TAC Anakin Spirit).
*Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 3 - a very good representation of this appearance of Ben, and I don't need it doing any better - but I can't rate it as one of the best figures of all time.

*Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 3 - ditto above - it's as good as it could be, but far from being one of the best figs of all time. The best thing about this release was the Yoda figure he came with.

DarkJedi5
04-16-2009, 10:42 AM
Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 1 - For a long time this was the best we had and I was okay with that. Mine has been retired since 2004 though.
Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 0 - I know it's the same sculpt but I never liked the color they used and it killed me to use this one over the one above just to match the rest of the figures in the set.
Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 4 - Currently the best we've got but it's only a matter of time before he gets redone with the soft goods like Anakin. I think we could still use a version with the hood up for his appearance on Hoth, "You will go to the Dagobah system...."

Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 4 - I got it to go with the rest of the concepts and it looks great in that context but it's a weak figure on its own and I can see why it was not released generally.

By the way, a new spirit of old Ben figure just popped up on a rumor list for second of the upcoming ESB waves. May get to redo this sooner than later!

Tycho
04-16-2009, 02:38 PM
*Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 2 - I like this figure, at least for nostalgic reasons. It was technically our first "ghost" figure because the Kenner Anakin Skywalker (Sebastian Shaw) was painted and didn't look too much like a ghost. The mail-away Obi-Wan Spirit also proved more poseable than the later re-release of him. That meant his one arm moved. The later one couldn't even do that!

*Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 1 - Isn't this the exact same one as was released before? But his one articulated arm would never move on mine.

*Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 3 - This figure looked pretty good. I wouldn't have planned on buying him, as I didn't need any more Spirit Obi-Wans, but that handstand Luke sold me on the whole wave, and I bought all 4 of the Dagobah training figures to create a new scene with them, along with the POTJ Dagobah Vader. Cool stuff.

*Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 2 - Commander Adama from the original Battle Star Galactica series? What's he doing in Star Wars? Not a bad figure, but not something I wanted or could use. Actually, while he could have been a background extra in one of my dioramas, the strange Yoda really was what turned me off to this set. I never bought one for myself. I rated the Obi-Wan higher than I'd rate the set, btw.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-16-2009, 08:20 PM
Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 0 It doesn't look like the spirits in the other set, and the Obi-Wan there is about the same.
Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 1 Until we get a Yoda in the new style, this is the only way to get all three spirits at once, and the only three that match in style.
Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 2 I like this style for the spirits. The TAC Anakin shows that it could be done a lot better in terms of articulation, though that figure has some shortcomings as well.

Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 3 This is a pretty good figure. Lack of knee articulation probably keeps me from giving it a 4. In addition, this set wasn't as exciting to me as some of the other concept figures.

Snowtrooper
04-17-2009, 06:49 PM
Obi-Wan 1997-2 Even though he's kinda striking a Popeye pose, he looks like a real spirit when hes put on a lightup base. So he gets higher marks for that.

Obi-Wan 1998-2 See above. Tycho, I think the mold is the exact same, but the figure is more opaque than the 1997 one. They gave it a hint of paint to dull the surface.

Spirit Obi-Wan 2004 OTC -3 This ones okay I guess. I'm not a huge fan of it. The clear plastics they used just made it look odd and not like a spirit at all.

Concept Obi-Wan-4 Liked this one and the whole McQuarrie line. It captures the samurai look which is what Lucas had originally envisioned.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-17-2009, 10:18 PM
Okay, people can continue to rate the Ben Kenobi figures, but we are now going to start looking at C-3PO. I've omitted prequel and EU figures. We'll get to those after we get through these. If anyone is aware of any others that should be on the list, let me know.

So, feel free to discuss these figures. Eventually, as we did with Ben, we will pare the list down to the figures we deem unique, and then rate them.

Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3PO.asp)
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3POlimbs.asp) (1982 Vintage)
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp)
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcc3po.asp) - Upper body from removeable limbs version, lower body from Purchase of the Droids version.
C-3PO (Death Star Rescue) (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFc3po.asp) - Repack of Millennium Minted Coin version
C-3PO (2004 OTC #13) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC13c3po.asp) - Repack of Millenium Minted Coin version
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0518c-3po.asp)
C-3PO (2006 Episode III Greatest Battles Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCe3c3po.asp) - Repack of ROTS #18
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc042c3po.asp) - With Ewok Throne and knee articulation
C-3PO (Ewok Deity) (2008 TLC Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCSL06c-3po.asp) - 2006 TSC #042 repack

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp)
C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3polimbs.asp) - Includes net
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3podesertworn.asp) - Desert worn and removeable arm
C-3PO (Tatooine Ambush) (2004 Saga #21) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0321c3po.asp) - Repack of POTF2 Flashback
C-3PO (2004 Commemorative DVD Collection - A New Hope) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionANH.asp) - Repack of POTF2 Flashback version
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) - Includes escape pod
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vc3po.asp)
C-3PO (2006 Commemorative Episode VI DVD Collection - Return of the Jedi) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscROTJdvd.asp) - VOTC repack
C-3PO (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiIV.asp) - VOTC repaint - perhaps should be in the clean category
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC30c3po.asp) - green slime & damaged eye

TheDarthVader
04-17-2009, 11:36 PM
Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 1
*Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 1 -
*Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 5 the only spirit worth having of Ben is a have to have spirit figure IMO
*Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 4

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-18-2009, 12:16 AM
You missed the one from the 2007 Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack, which was the ROTS figure with snow on his feet. There is also the repack of the Ewok Deity figure in the Training on the Millennium Falcon Battle Pack, but without the throne.

Clean
*See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) - 0 - I don't collect vintage.
*C-3PO (1995 POTF2) - 1 - He might look fine for background scenes. I have mine sitting on the back of the landspeeder.
*C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) - 2 - I loved this at the time, but it's outdated now. He's actually molting slightly, so you might be better off with a repacked version.
*C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) - 3 - He looks really good. The subsequent repack had a few variations on the base, but all are fine for whatever reason you want.
*C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) - 4 - Just great. They took the great ROTS one and retooled it to make it better. I unfortunately got the one with the ugly brown joints, but the later (and current) versions have correctly colored ones.

Dirty
*C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids - 3 - Pretty noteworthy for being the only one with a restraining bolt.
*C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - Not bad, but not great. I like the removable arm.
*C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) - 2 - Nice sculpt details (a retool of the AOTC deluxe one), but the flat color looks wrong. The escape pod is cool if a little small. The pod is more notable than the figure.
*C-3PO (2004 VOTC) - 0 - Just not really worth anyone's time. I don't actually think that the tin version is any different, aside maybe from some lighter dirt.
*C-3PO from Ambush on Ilum (2007 TAC) - 1 - The snow effect is not really that convincing, not to mention that he's the wrong color (he should be his AOTC gray). As a repaint of the ROTS figure, it kind of screws up the redeeming qualities of that figure. I suppose you could use him for Hoth scenes if you wanted to.
*C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) - 3 - This one is pretty fun. He didn't have the green goo on him while on the sail barge, and his eye should be flopping out rather than (ahem) erect, but I like it for what it is. His painted leg looks weird, though.

Tycho
04-18-2009, 12:17 AM
I'm working on my votes, but he also missed vintage C-3PO with removeable limbs. There were 2 vintage C-3POs.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-18-2009, 12:20 AM
D'oh, and what about the 1998 removable limbs one? I loved that one back in the day! There's also the pile of C-3PO pieces that came with the 2002/2006 Chewbacca. Are the removable limbs ones going to be separate? The ROTS one can apparently be taken apart, though I've only ever tried the arms.

bigbarada
04-18-2009, 12:48 AM
D'oh, and what about the 1998 removable limbs one? I loved that one back in the day! There's also the pile of C-3PO pieces that came with the 2002/2006 Chewbacca. Are the removable limbs ones going to be separate? The ROTS one can apparently be taken apart, though I've only ever tried the arms.

Yep, the ROTS one could be taken completely apart, I remember well because the legs kept falling off on mine.

Until the ROTS figure was released, I actually think the vintage C-3PO was the best version of the figure. They always seemed to make the head too skinny in all the POTF2 versions.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-18-2009, 01:17 AM
I had the removable limbs one on my original list. I must have removed it when reorganizing. I'll add it and the vintage version to the list.

I decided not to count the one that came with Saga 2002 Chewbacca since it is not a full figure, just a head, torso, and a lump of parts.

I didn't put the Ilum one on there as I considered that EU, and will be on the next list. I'll see if I can find a link to the new battle pack, but it sounds like that is just a repack and won't be one to vote on.

This is why I said we wouldn't rate them yet. I wanted to get our list straight first and decide which ones we would actually be rating.

Tycho
04-18-2009, 02:02 AM
OK, everyone rate which one is your favorite Pote Snitkin now. :D j/k

Mad Slanted Powers
04-18-2009, 02:12 AM
I guess if you are all eager to vote, you might as well go ahead. I added the ones I missed to this list, and removed the repacks. So, rate the figures on a scale of 0-4

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3PO.asp)
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3POlimbs.asp)
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp)
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcc3po.asp) - Upper body from removeable limbs version, lower body from Purchase of the Droids version.
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0518c-3po.asp)
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc042c3po.asp) - With Ewok Throne and knee articulation

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp)
C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3polimbs.asp) - Includes net
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3podesertworn.asp) - Desert worn and removeable arm
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) - Includes escape pod
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vc3po.asp)
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC30c3po.asp) - green slime & damaged eye

sebillba
04-18-2009, 08:59 AM
An iconic character for sure, but since there's no costume changes I get bored with all the releases with very slight upgrades, and they all end up being pretty much the same to me (I'll have the same problem with R2 and Vader), but I'll try and rate them anyway...

Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3PO.asp) - 2 - essential for any vintage collection, and better than many modern releases.
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3POlimbs.asp) - 2 - ditto above... maybe not quite so essential if you only want to display one vintage, but he's worth more than a '1'.
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp) - 0 - 'nuff said.
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcc3po.asp) - 2 - I passed on this, as I thought it was just a rehash of POTF2 (I never looked too closely at it), but bought one later when it was re-released in the Saga line. A very nice 3PO, and I wouldn't have cared if it had been the last one we'd got.
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0518c-3po.asp) - 2 - another one I ignored at first, then had to pay more for when I decided to complete the ROTS basic line-up. I'm sure it's an upgrade on the Coin/Saga version, but I don't really know why. I also think the yellow eyes are a bit cartoony, and are often painted a bit squinty.
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc042c3po.asp) - 3 - the best 3PO so far because he's got knees. But you just know there'll be another one round the corner with elbows as well. Though if it's anything like Tatooine Luke, it'll have elbows instead of knees, and we'll still be waiting for the perfect version. The cartoon boss-eyes also stopped me from giving him a '4'.

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp) - 1 - if I was just getting one 3PO, I'd want him to be gold and shiny. This one is fine if you want him dirty (which I can understand), and he's better than a '1' really, but not as good as the figures I've already rated '2'.
C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3polimbs.asp) - 1- ditto above.
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3podesertworn.asp) - 1 - really, any of these three would make a perfectly acceptable dirty 3PO, but I'm already bored with them.
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) - 0
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vc3po.asp) - 0 - the worst of the VOTC line, a total step backwards for this character, and not worthy of this premium format.
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC30c3po.asp) - 1 - a "fun" figure for kids - as JJL said, the eye should be flopping down, not sticking straight out, and when you push it back in, it just pushes another piece of plastic out the back of his head - so either look is compromised for the sake of a play feature. The only real reason to buy this is to get Crumb.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-18-2009, 02:14 PM
*C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) - 0

*C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 3 - I love the weathering on this one, and I was really excited to get it when I was younger, so it has some sentimental value for me.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-18-2009, 02:55 PM
Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3PO.asp) - 1 - I'm even tempted to give it a 2 because I think it would still fit pretty well amongst the modern figures, but I think there are plenty of modern choices that one could get instead.
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3POlimbs.asp) - 1 - I don't have this one, but I'll give it the same rating for the same reasons.
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp) - 1 - Not really a bad figure, but nothing really special to make it stand out.
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcc3po.asp) - 2 - An improvement over prior figures in that I think this one is the first one with a silver leg.
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0518c-3po.asp) - 3 - A very nice figure and has the removable parts.
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc042c3po.asp) - 3 - I can't give this a 4 because I feel something isn't quite right with the legs. I saw the version in the Training on the Falcon pack today, and noticed the hinge on his right leg was silver to match the leg.

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp) - 1 - It does have the restraining bolt, and until the recent Lars Homestead came out, this was the only way to get Uncle Owen. However, the Flashback version is probably a better figure for the dirty desert look.
C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3polimbs.asp) - 2 - The first modern figure with removable limbs, and the weathering is good for when you have him all in pieces.
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3podesertworn.asp) - 2 - Good for representing the post Tusken attack scene with the dirt and removable arm.
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) - 1 - I only give this a 1 because of the escape pod. The figure itself isn't worth it. The pod itself could be bigger as well.
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vc3po.asp) - 0 - This figure just looks depressing. Perhaps it is meant to represent him as he is trudging across the desert. Very underwhelming compared to the rest of the VOTC/VTSC/VTAC figures.
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC30c3po.asp) - 2 - A good scene-specific figure. Arms are removable, but I don't think the legs are. Probably the best Salacious Crumb figure as well.

Snowtrooper
04-18-2009, 10:17 PM
Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3PO.asp) 2 -Gets points for being one of the first 12 and for not being too bad of a 3P0

C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3POlimbs.asp) 2 -As a kid, I thought it was neat that you could take it apart and stuff it in the net.

C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp) 1 Not too bad for the time it was released. It didn't have the steroid look like alot of the other releases of the time. But its definitely outdated.

C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcc3po.asp) 3 -For the longest time, this was my favorite 3P0. It was the first to have the silver leg on it. But the sculpt has become rather obsolete.

C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0518c-3po.asp) 3 This was an improvement over the MMC version. It had a better headsculpt but its hands were a little messed up. I think he was missing one of his thumbs.

C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc042c3po.asp) 4 -Its the definitive version for now. At some point they'll make one that has articulated elbows. The knee joints were very well done. Early pictures showed them as being rather large, but they ended up looking alright.

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp) 1 -The restraining bolt was nice and so was the dirty wash. It looks pretty outdated now.

C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze rame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3polimbs.asp) 2 -The first removeable limbs 3P0 since the vintage version. I liked the dirt and discoloration but, once again, the sculpt looks very old.

C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3podesertworn.asp) 3 -This is my favorite "dirty" version of 3P0. It isn't sporting the wide stance of earlier releases and it just looks more like the character than most of the others. The removeable arm was also nice.

C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) 0 -I hated this one. It isn't vac metalized like all the other releases. Its shorter than the rest, although that might have been so he'd fit in the pod. And the sculpt just looks rather odd to me. At least the pod was alright.

C-3PO (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vc3po.asp) 0 -This one was awful too. It looks like a 5 yr old sculpted it. The face and the hip area look especially bad. It should have never been released with the other VOTC figures.

C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC30c3po.asp) 2 -I liked the idea of having a slimed 3P0 with his eye hanging out. But I don't like how they made the mechanism work. It just looks bad.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-18-2009, 10:30 PM
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp) 1 Not too bad for the time it was released. It didn't have the steroid look like alot of the other releases of the time. But its definitely outdated.

C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) 0 -I hated this one. It isn't vac metalized like all the other releases. Its shorter than the rest, although that might have been so he'd fit in the pod. And the sculpt just looks rather odd to me. At least the pod was alright.
Speaking of figure height, look at this picture (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TSC/TSC042c3pocomp.jpg&text=POTF2%20C-3PO%20|%20MMC%20C-3PO%20|%20ROTS%20C-3PO%20|%20TSC%20C-3PO) and witness THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING THREEPIO! So, maybe that POTF2 version WAS on steroids.

Snowtrooper
04-19-2009, 10:28 AM
Its just sad. When you think someone as good, clean, and wholesome as C3P0 would never take steroids, evidence pops up to the contrary.

Seriously, I hope that indicates Hasbro trying to get the scale right and not trying to be cheap.

DarkJedi5
04-19-2009, 05:21 PM
Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) - 1 – If you collect the old stuff go for it, but there’s no other reason.
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) - 1 - If you want to display the one scene from ESB where this figure is necessary, otherwise….
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) - 1 – My first 3PO so it gets the benefit of the doubt but it’s not a good figure.
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) - 0 - I passed on this (I thought it was the POTF2 again) it’s better than saga but there’s nothing special about it and it’s not as good as what we’ve got now.
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) - 2 – I bought it, it’s not perfect but it’s pretty good and was the best we had when it came out, I believe. Not too special anymore.
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) - 3 - The knees make this one the best there is. Not yet perfect but they’re getting close on this one.

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) - 1 – An odd stance holds this one back in my opinion.
C-3PO with removable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 2 – If you want to put a 3PO in the cargo net for an ESB diorama this is your best choice.
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 – I think this is the best dirty 3PO for Tatooine displays.
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) – 0 – The figure was terrible but the pod was okay.
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) - 0 – I don’t know who thought this figure was god enough to sell this is the worst 3PO EVER!
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) - 2 – This is the best/only version of this figure with the Jabba slime. If I’m not mistaken though the eye-popping feature should be on a clean 3PO, the slime was only on him for one scene I think.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 1
*Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 1 -
*Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 5 the only spirit worth having of Ben is a have to have spirit figure IMO
*Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 4Did you mean to give Spirit Obi-Wan OTC a 4? A 5 is off the scale.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-23-2009, 01:35 AM
Before we move on to Chewbacca, lets look at the rest of the C-3PO figures.

The Phantom Menace
C-3PO (Episode I) (http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIC3PO.asp) - Naked?!

Attack of the Clones
C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagac3po.asp) - Removable coverings and case
C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagadxc3po.asp) - Swap heads with included red battle droid
C-3PO with Battle Droid head (2006 Saga Collection #017) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc017c3po.asp) - Repaint of Saga 2002 Deluxe
C-3PO with Battle Droid Head (2007 Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLC3PO.asp) - TSC #017 repack
C-3PO with Battle Droid Head (2007 TAC Droid Factory Capture Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACBPdroidfactory.asp) - TSC #017 repack

Expanded Universe
C-3PO (1985 Droids) - Usual spots didn't have pictures, but I found this one (http://www.geocities.com/starwarstrader_nz/images/droids_ewoks08.jpg).
C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPambushonilum.asp) - Repaint of ROTS #18
C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW16c3po.asp) - Animated version
C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp)
Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) - with Concept R2-D2

Let me know if I've missed any. If you want to rate these now, I would say to consider all of the C-3PO with Battle Droid Head figures to be the same and just rate the original Saga Deluxe. If you think one of the repacks/repaints is better, indicate which one.

bigbarada
04-23-2009, 01:46 AM
Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) - 3 (I can't dismiss any of the original 12)
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) - 1
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) - 0
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) - 0
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) - 2
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) - 3 (the best so far, but still far from perfect)

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) - 0
C-3PO with removable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 1
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - 0
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) – 0
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) - 0
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) - 0

So far there really hasn't been a "perfect" Threepio figure. He's always being held back by the vac-metalized coating which blots out fine details and limits articulation. Or suffered from finishes that are just too dull or too dark (in the few instances where vac-metalization isn't used).

Maybe at some point in the future, Hasbro will solve the shininess issue without have to resort to another vac-metalized coating. Until then, I'm still waiting for the perfect, super-articulated Threepio (the current Clone Wars figure is actually the closest so far).

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-23-2009, 02:20 AM
The Phantom Menace
*C-3PO (Episode I) - 2 - It's a little bit outdated, but it's the only TPM C-3PO we have as of now. Well, I guess there's the weird AOTC one, but that's halfway completed. I'd like a new TPM one in the next few years, though.

Attack of the Clones
*C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) - 1 - It's fairly fun as a toy but doesn't look too great.
*C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) - 3 - I actually really like this set, even though pretty much everything here is drooping now, seven years later. The paint is probably the best on one of the later repacks, but I didn't care enough to get any of them, since they're not too different from the original version. I'd say get the original, since it has C-3PO, a battle droid, and another piece of the factory (I'd like to see more of those). Still, I would like an updated AOTC C-3PO as well.

Expanded Universe
*C-3PO (1985 Droids) - 0 - Still don't care for vintage.
*C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) - 1 - I explained this earlier.
*C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) - 4 - This one is great. It looks just like the TCW version and has more articulation than we've ever seen in a C-3PO figure. The light-up eyes look really cool as well. I would like to see them do a movie-accurate C-3PO in this manner.
*C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) - 2 - Not particularly well done, but if you like the idea of this set, then it's fun. I kept mine sealed in the package since I thought it looked nice that way.
*Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) - 4 - Another great McQuarrie figure.

sebillba
04-23-2009, 06:51 AM
The Phantom Menace
*C-3PO (Episode I) - 2 - When this one came out, I was really impressed by the detail. It looks a little outdated now, and a bit goofy (though maybe that's just the character), but it's the best we have, and I'm really not that bothered about getting a better one.

Attack of the Clones
*C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) - 1 - A fun toy with plenty of play value, but without the casings it's not as detailed as TPM version, looks a bit plasticy, and has unsightly holes. And with the coverings, it's a little bulky and looks like someone's spilt Tippex on it.
*C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) - 2 - Another fun toy - not a great figure, but good enough for me. Since it's not vac-metalised, it could easily be re-done SA, and no doubt will be one day. (I didn't realise the Saga versions were so different, I thought it was just a repack - I might've picked one up if I'd known.)

Expanded Universe
*C-3PO (1985 Droids) - 0 - I do collect vintage, but not the cartoon figures. I'm sure it's nice enough and has a certain charm, but would consider this as being for hardcore collectors only.
*C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) - 0 - A poor repaint of a good figure - it doesn't look like snow to me, more like the gold coating has worn off. And if, as JJL says, it's not accurate for this scene, then it doesn't even have any real merit for EU collectors.
*C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) - 3 - I don't collect CW, but I do like the style, and could easily be tempted. This one does look really nice.
*C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) - 1 - This is fine if you want a Christmas novelty, but hardly an essential 3PO to have in your collection.
*Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) - 3 - The McQuarrie figures make a fantastic set, and this is a great representation of one of the most iconic SW concept artworks, paying homage to Metropolis. I can't give it a perfect score though, as a) it's not the classic 3PO, so isn't really essential, and b) it doesn't have knees (though does have elbows - the opposite of the best Saga 3PO!).

Mad Slanted Powers
04-23-2009, 01:23 PM
The Phantom Menace
C-3PO (Episode I) (http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIC3PO.asp) - 3 - The only TPM version we have, and it is pretty good. Some added articulation would make it a 4.

Attack of the Clones
C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagac3po.asp) - 2 The coverings and the accessory case give this figure some added value. However, the coverings also make the figure a bit more bulky.
C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagadxc3po.asp) - 2 - I don't think this figure is as good as the basic figure, but the extra figure and the included accessories make it a good set to have, and you can connect it to the Geonosis playset. I just don't like the sculpt. I think it is the same one they used on the Ultra C-3PO with the escape pod.

Expanded Universe
C-3PO (1985 Droids) (http://www.geocities.com/starwarstrader_nz/images/droids_ewoks08.jpg) - 0 - I think it is the same sculpt as the vintage figure, but unless you are collecting Droids figures, not really necessary to a collection.
C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPambushonilum.asp) - 2 - Despite the inaccuracies others have pointed out, it is still the same decent ROTS sculpt, and it is a nice set to get.
C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW16c3po.asp) - 3 - I'd give this a 4, but it can't be the definitive C-3PO if it is an animated version. Hopefully they can bring this sort of articulation to the regular line so that we can have the ultimate C-3PO.
C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp) - 1 - The figure itself is not that great, but this set makes for a nice Christmas display piece for any Star Wars fan.
Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) - with Concept R2-D2 - 3 - My initial impression wasn't that great because I don't like the look of the figure, but it has some decent articulation, and this entire concept line is pretty cool

bigbarada
04-23-2009, 10:08 PM
The Phantom Menace
*C-3PO (Episode I) - 2 - I'm only rating it this high because it's the only Ep1 version of Threepio that we've ever gotten. It was a ambitious nightmare of a figure to make to begin with and this version is passable, but I would love to see Hasbro give it another try.

Attack of the Clones
*C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) - 1 -fun to play with, but not movie accurate and didn't look so great once he was all put together. However still useful for diorama filler as he makes a great addition to a junk pile.
*C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) - 2 - this is probably the default AOTC Threepio, but it's not a super exciting figure. This definitely could use a super-articulated remake.

Expanded Universe
*C-3PO (1985 Droids) - 0 - never seen this figure, but it's not a great representation of the animated Threepio
*C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) - 0 - never bought this figure, not interested
*C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) - 0 - just dumb
*Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) - 3 - never bought this figure but looks like a good representation of the concept art.
*C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) - 4 - Seriously this is the best Threepio figure ever made! The only real flaw is his finish looks more bronze than gold; but that's something that can be easily overlooked or corrected in a rerelease. I would love to see a realistic Threepio done just like this.

TheDarthVader
04-23-2009, 10:44 PM
Did you mean to give Spirit Obi-Wan OTC a 4? A 5 is off the scale.

Sorry, yes a 4.

and now ole 3po...
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See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) - 1
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) - 1
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) - 1 the paint allows this one to get a point
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) - 0
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) - 2
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) - 4

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) -1
C-3PO with removable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 3 fun figure to own too!
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - 3
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) -0
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) - 0
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) - 1

DarkJedi5
04-23-2009, 10:47 PM
The Phantom Menace
C-3PO (Episode I) – 3 – High marks considering, because it’s the only version of this character. It could be far better, of course, but like I said, this is it.

Attack of the Clones
C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) – 3 – In the novelization of AOTC Shmi is described putting the coverings on 3PO and this figure really captures that very well.
C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) – 2 – More gimmick than action figure but it works. In subsequent rereleases the paint gets a little better but the figure could use more articulation considering.

Expanded Universe
C-3PO (1985 Droids) – 1 – So, not a really good figure but if you’re a carded Droids completist then I guess you need it but otherwise, why would you want it?
C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) – 2 – I don’t consider this the only version of this figure. If you were doing an Illum dio then you could take any all gold 3PO and dust the legs yourself with something. Might even look better….
C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) – 2 – I do not like the animated stuff but if you’re collecting the line it’s necessary.
C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) – 0 – I hate these figures.
Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) – 3 – I’ve loved the McQuarrie stuff for as long as I’ve loved Star Wars. It’s not a great figure (lacks articulation, mine has trouble standing) but it looks good.

Snowtrooper
04-25-2009, 12:00 AM
The Phantom Menace
C-3PO (Episode I) (http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIC3PO.asp) - 2 One of my more favorite figures from E1, but its lack of articulation outdates it.

Attack of the Clones
C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagac3po.asp)-1 It was a good idea, but just looks rather odd either with or without the coverings. The case was nice.
C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagadxc3po.asp) -2 I liked it when it came out originally, but all the subsequent releases have made me rather tired of it.
C-3PO with Battle Droid head (2006 Saga Collection #017) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc017c3po.asp) -0
C-3PO with Battle Droid Head (2007 Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLC3PO.asp)-0
C-3PO with Battle Droid Head (2007 TAC Droid Factory Capture Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACBPdroidfactory.asp) -0

Expanded Universe
C-3PO (1985 Droids) - 2 Not very familiar with it, but it looks ok.
C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPambushonilum.asp) -1 3P0 with snow on his feet, meh.
C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW16c3po.asp) -3 Looks exactly like on tv and has great articulation too. One of the better Clone War figures.
C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp) -2 Not into Christmas figures too much, but its kinda interesting.
Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) - 3 Another great looking McQuarrie figure. My only complaints are that its non-vac metalized and its a bit different looking than the concept art. Just small complaints

Mad Slanted Powers
04-25-2009, 02:13 PM
Okay, people can continue to vote on the Ben and C-3PO figures if they haven't weighed in already. However, we shall now move on to Chewbacca.

Before we start rating the Chewbacca figures, I first want to be sure we have them all and have identified the unique ones. I've put repacks below the original figure and indented them. Some repacks and repaints I listed separately if I felt they had something different or unique about them.

So, first I would like any comments on the list.

Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtChewbacca.asp)
........Chewbacca (1995 POTF2 Classic Edition 4-Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2classicedition4pack.asp)
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewie.asp)
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) (http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKchewbacca.asp)
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2deathstarescape.asp)
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewieboussh.asp)
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewiehothfb.asp)
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mynockhunt.asp)
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcchewie.asp) - repaint of 1995 POTF2 basic figure
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjchewbaccachess.asp)
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjchewiemechanic.asp)
........Chewbacca (Escape From Hoth) (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFchewie.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repack
........Chewbacca (2004 OTC #08) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC08chewbacca.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repack
........Chewbacca (2004 OTC C-3PO Carrying Case) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCcarrycaseC3PO.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repack
........Chewbacca (2004 OTC ESB Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionESB.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repack
........Chewbacca (2006 TSC Commemorative Episode V DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscTESBdvd.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repack
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thhanchewie.asp)
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagachewie3po.asp) - Includes C-3PO parts and net
........Chewbacca with Electronic C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #054) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc054chewbacca.asp) - 2002 Saga #38 repack
........Chewbacca (Legacy Tin Collection ESB) - 2002 Saga #38 repack without C-3PO or net
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc2.asp)
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0314chewbaccamh.asp)
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03trubattlehoth.asp) - Based on 2002 Saga #38, snowy repaint, bowcaster instead of blaster
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vchewbacca.asp)
........Chewbacca (2007 TAC Betrayal on Bespin Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACBPbespin.asp) - VOTC repack
Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0505chewbacca.asp)
........Chewbacca (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPrebelvsempire.asp) - ROTS #5 repack
........Chewbacca (2006 Episode III Heroes & Villains Collection #7) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCe307chewbacca.asp) - ROTS #5 repack
........Chewbacca (2007 TAC Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLchewie.asp) - ROTS #5 repack
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) - based on VOTC with new head
........Chewbacca (2008 TLC Millennium Falcon pack-in) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcBMF.asp) - Early Bird repack
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC005chewbacca.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repaint with chain instead of original accessories
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiV.asp) - VOTC snowy repaint and new head
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC21McChewie.asp)
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks04.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repaint comic style
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacUBPendor.asp) - 2002 Saga #38 repaint, no C-3PO, and bowcaster instead of blaster
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC03Chewie.asp) - based on VOTC now with desert sandstorm sculpt
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/TLC/battlepacks/hothrecon.html) - Early Bird repaint, light dusting of snow

sebillba
04-25-2009, 02:55 PM
Don't forget Vintage (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtChewbacca.asp)!!

This was also recast as part of a POTF2 Classic Edition 4-Pack (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2classicedition4pack.asp).

Mad Slanted Powers
04-25-2009, 03:17 PM
Okay, got them both. I thought I had the Vintage one on there. I guess when I re-pasted from my original list that didn't have it, it was lost.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-25-2009, 05:57 PM
Also, you might want to change some of the descriptions for the retools, as some of them were more significant than you indicated. One that springs to mind is the ESB tin set one; it's not just a repaint since it has a new head. Also, the 2006 Boushh prisoner one has the new chain, so that's something, I guess. I actually don't have that figure so I don't know how it's connected, so maybe never mind on that one.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-25-2009, 07:32 PM
Okay, I updated the ones you mentioned as well as a few others. Does anyone know what version is in the Hoth Recon Control battle pack? There are pics in the link. I haven't found anything on the new tin set, so I don't know what will be in that one.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-25-2009, 11:24 PM
The Hoth Recon one is the Early Bird version with a very light dusting of snow. The Kmart tin set version (http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_004W575784110003P?keyword=star+wars) is the 2002 Cloud City Capture one, without C-3PO or the net.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-25-2009, 11:35 PM
The Hoth Recon one is the Early Bird version with a very light dusting of snow. The Kmart tin set version (http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_004W575784110003P?keyword=star+wars) is the 2002 Cloud City Capture one, without C-3PO or the net.Thanks. Very light dusting of snow indeed.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-28-2009, 10:48 PM
Since there are so many figures here, I've been trying to figure out the best way to go through these. I got it down to 25 figures and I tried to group them as best as I could. Hopefully that will make it easier to rate them. If you don't feel like doing them all at once, you can do one group at a time. So go ahead and rate these as you wish. Let me know if you think there are any I shouldn't have left off this list.

Basic Chewbacca
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtChewbacca.asp)
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewie.asp)
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcchewie.asp) - repaint of 1995 POTF2 basic figure
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjchewiemechanic.asp)
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vchewbacca.asp)
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) - based on VOTC with new head
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacUBPendor.asp) - 2002 Saga #38 repaint, no C-3PO, and bowcaster instead of blaster

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewiehothfb.asp)
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03trubattlehoth.asp) - Based on 2002 Saga #38, snowy repaint, bowcaster instead of blaster
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiV.asp) - VOTC snowy repaint and new head
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/TLC/battlepacks/hothrecon.html) - Early Bird repaint, light dusting of snow

Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mynockhunt.asp)
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0314chewbaccamh.asp)
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2deathstarescape.asp)
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewieboussh.asp)
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC005chewbacca.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repaint with chain instead of original accessories
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjchewbaccachess.asp)
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagachewie3po.asp) - Includes C-3PO parts and net

Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) (http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKchewbacca.asp)
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thhanchewie.asp)
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc2.asp)
Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0505chewbacca.asp)
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC21McChewie.asp)
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks04.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repaint comic style
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC03Chewie.asp) - based on VOTC now with desert sandstorm sculpt

bigbarada
04-28-2009, 11:11 PM
Since there are so many figures here, I've been trying to figure out the best way to go through these. I got it down to 25 figures and I tried to group them as best as I could. Hopefully that will make it easier to rate them. If you don't feel like doing them all at once, you can do one group at a time. So go ahead and rate these as you wish. Let me know if you think there are any I shouldn't have left off this list.

Basic Chewbacca
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtChewbacca.asp)
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewie.asp)
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcchewie.asp) - repaint of 1995 POTF2 basic figure
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjchewiemechanic.asp)
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vchewbacca.asp)
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) - based on VOTC with new head
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacUBPendor.asp) - 2002 Saga #38 repaint, no C-3PO, and bowcaster instead of blaster

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewiehothfb.asp)
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03trubattlehoth.asp) - Based on 2002 Saga #38, snowy repaint, bowcaster instead of blaster
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiV.asp) - VOTC snowy repaint and new head
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) (http://www.yakface.com/TGuide2004/html/TLC/battlepacks/hothrecon.html) - Early Bird repaint, light dusting of snow

Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mynockhunt.asp)
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0314chewbaccamh.asp)
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2deathstarescape.asp)
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2chewieboussh.asp)
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC005chewbacca.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repaint with chain instead of original accessories
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjchewbaccachess.asp)
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagachewie3po.asp) - Includes C-3PO parts and net

Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) (http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKchewbacca.asp)
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thhanchewie.asp)
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc2.asp)
Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0505chewbacca.asp)
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC21McChewie.asp)
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks04.asp) - POTJ Mechanic repaint comic style
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC03Chewie.asp) - based on VOTC now with desert sandstorm sculpt

Any Chewbacca that I don't mention you can just consider to have received a rating of 0 from me.

Rating 1:
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) - the first ever correctly scaled Chewbacca, and I thought it was great when it first came out.

Rating 2:
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) - This is a great default Chewbacca, but is just a little on the outdated side.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - neat figure, but just too much of a statue to rate any higher with me.
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) - a cool figure of the famous concept painting, but not necessary by any means.

Rating 3:
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) - if you can't find the VOTC version, then this one is good enough; but there's just something off about his headsculpt that I don't like very much.
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) - Again, I'm rating this on historical significance alone.

Rating 4:
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) - the best Chewbacca ever made and is easily in the running for one of the greatest Star Wars figures ever.

DarkJedi5
04-29-2009, 01:44 PM
Basic Chewbacca
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) – 0 – For sentimentalists only, unless you’re collecting vintage skip it.
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) – 0 – Again, useless unless you like the 1995 series or need a figure of a gorilla.
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) – 0 – No reason to buy this figure.
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) – 2 – For a majority of ESB this Chewie would work well. I use him in the cockpit of my BMF for the escape from Bespin and he looks just as good as the other figs.
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) – 3 – Probably everyone’s favorite Chewie he’s far and away the most articulated and detailed figure. His “bangs” make him distinctly ROTJ/ESB for me so I don’t really like to use him for ANH display but he’s all we’ve got. Also his hands bug me, the fur limits what you can do with them.
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) – 3 – This one addresses my concerns about the head sculpt unfortunately it was a hard to find exclusive and needs wider circulation.
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) – 0 – Since when is Chewie orange? I don’t know why they chose this sculpt in the first place but this one went straight from the box to the “retired” pile.

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 3 – This is not a great figure but it is the only Chewie that captures his windblown fur. The detail was incredible when it was released and is my favorite for Hoth.
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) – 0 – What happens when you take a lame figure and splash a little white paint on it? Nothing special. I bought this set for the droid and the tauntaun.
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) – 0 – Some one remind me again why I bought this set…. This time they ruined a perfectly good Chewie by having him walk through white paint.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) – 0 – I don’t get this one. It’s the wrong figure for the wrong movie with only enough paint to make him out of place in ANH and ESB combined. Bought this one for the droid and the probe.

Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) – 0 – Not only is this figure crap, it’s cross-eyed crap.
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) – 3 – I like this figure, good articulation, good paint and detail, it really works for the scene.
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) – 0 – I’ve disliked it since the day I bought it.
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 0 – Undersized and bucktoothed. Maybe one of the worst Chewies of all time.
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) – 2 – Much better than the one above but still not a perfect figure. I think the paint holds it back a little.
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) – 2 – I’m torn on this figure. Low marks because from the waist down it looks pretty mangy. High marks because he looks pretty good in the BMF at the table despite being a tight squeeze.
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) – 1 – The accessories are cool but I never was thrilled by this one.

Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) – 1 – Redo this figure! SOTE was a huge milestone for Star Wars and this figure is too terrible to do it justice!
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 4 – I love this figure, he’s a statue but he looks fantastic!
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 3 – I love this figure as well because the hand fur on the VOTC one makes Chewie’s memorable pose from this scene look silly.
Chewbacca (2005 ROTS #5) – 0 – This figure transcends crap to become super crap!
Concept Chewbacca (2007 30th Anniversary #21) – 4 – This one looks exactly like the sketches. Thank God they went a different direction.
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) – 0 – What a horrible figure. I guess it’s what it’s supposed to be but it looks like crap.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) – 0 – Did anyone buy this figure? If the leg had been unbandaged and gashed like seen onscreen I’d have snatched it up but forget a figure based entirely on obscure unused footage. Unless it’s Camie/Fixer/Biggs.

sebillba
04-29-2009, 04:04 PM
I think I'm going to rate these one or two groups at a time, but first I'll repost the rating scale, as I keep forgetting it. Maybe this could be posted at the start of each round?

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

Basic Chewbacca
1978 Vintage - 3 - I'm afraid I'm a sentimentalist over this one! This was my first ever SW figure - I loved it 30-odd years ago, and I can't help loving it now. What it lacks in detail, it more than makes up for in charm - there's just something magical about this figure.
1995 POTF2 - 2 - again, it's very dated, but has high nostalgia value, being the first SW fig I bought in the modern line. It doesn't look that much like Chewie, but the buffness suits him more than most others from this era.
1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin - 1 - never bought this, I didn't think it really added anything to the first version.
2001 POTJ (MF Mechanic) - 3 - a nice, simple figure, not overly articulated, but looks good, and is a significant upgrade on POTF2.
2004 VOTC - 4 - best ever Chewie, and one of the best figures ever made. (I know what DJ5 means about the hands, and it's hard to get him to hold his bowcaster, but you can find faults with all the best figures, and I reckon this has less - or more acceptable - faults than most.)
2005 TSC Early Bird - 4 - VOTC is the ultimate ESB/ROTJ Chewie, this is the definitive ANH Chewie.
2007 TAC Endor UBP - 3 - I really liked the original Saga version, and this looks like a nice repaint. Sadly I never got this one, might have to search one out.

More later.......

Mr. JabbaJohnL
04-29-2009, 05:33 PM
Basic Chewbacca
*Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) - 0
*Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) - 0 - Too short and beefy.
*Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) - 0
*Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) - 2 - It's notable for being the first Chewie in the right scale and doesn't look too bad.
*Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) - 4 - Just great all around.
*Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) - 4 - See above. It's more neutral, which works for more scenes.
*Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) - 2 - It's a little too orange.

Hoth Chewbacca
*Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 0
*Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) - 2 - Eh, not bad, but not great.
*Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) - 3 - Would have been better if they laid off the snow. It looks like he fell into a vat of mayonnaise.
*Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) - 3 - Kind of pointless, since you can barely see the snow. Still, a great sculpt.

Other Scene Specific
*Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) - 0
*Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) - 3 - The better choice if you want a Mynock hunt (say it fast) Chewie.
*Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1 - It should be a 0, but there's no other handcuffed Chewie yet, and you can't really fit any handcuffs around the new figures' wrists.
*Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1 - I like the look, but it's out of scale.
*Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) - 2 - The chain is too long. I never got it but I might look into it.
*Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) - 2 - Fun for its time, but out of date now. I didn't realize until a few weeks ago that the dejarik pieces in the new Millennium Falcon are the same as the ones included with this figure. Chewie kind of has a hard time sitting at the built-in table, so this one looks alright for out-of-ship dioramas.
*Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) - 3 - The accessory is really cool, and it's a pretty alright figure.

Prequel, EU, Etc.
*Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) - 2 - This was my first figure, but apart from that, it's short and a little silly.
*Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 3 - He's a statue but he looks great.
*Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 3 - See above. I think this one is pushing on the wrong wall, unfortunately, but that's the problem of the base, not the figure.
*Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) - 3 - I'd like a new ROTS one, with the proper gun and all, but this one is pretty good.
*Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) - 3 - I love the line but I remember it being hard for this figure to properly get in the rifle holding pose seen in several McQuarrie paintings, which knocks a point off here.
*Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - 2 - Kind of fun, but nonessential.
*Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) - 3 - He's kind of rubbery and too light in color but I still like it.

DarkJedi5
04-29-2009, 06:07 PM
2004 VOTC - best ever Chewie, and one of the best figures ever made. (I know what DJ5 means about the hands, and it's hard to get him to hold his bowcaster, but you can find faults with all the best figures, and I reckon this has less - or more acceptable - faults than most.)

Sebillba, you forgot to give it a score but I have a feeling you'd have gone with a 4.


*Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1 - It should be a 0, but there's no other handcuffed Chewie yet, and you can't really fit any handcuffs around the new figures' wrists.

When watching the film it's clear to see that the binders didn't fit Chewie's wrist either, so it's really just more accurate that way.

Mad Slanted Powers
04-29-2009, 08:32 PM
Basic Chewbacca
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) - 0 - Doesn't work as a Chewbacca anymore compared to the modern line. He looks like a cute little Wookiee child amongst all the others.
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) - 0 - He also doesn't work well as Chewbacca anymore, but he might fit in well compared to all the big ROTS Wookiee figures.
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) - 0 - Ditto the 1995 POTF2. Not much difference between the two.
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) - 2 - A decent figure, more correctly scaled than previous releases. They got a lot of use out of this mold.
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) - 4 - A great figure. Hard to top this one.
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) - 4 - If you want just one Chewbacca, it is this or the VOTC, depending on which head sculpt you like better. This one appears to be a bit taller, and not just because of the head.
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) - 2 - The original was a decent figure. If you didn't have a Chewbacca, this set would be a good one to get with all of the figures, vehicles and accessories in it.

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - I agree with DarkJedi5 that this figure probably best captures the Hoth Chewbacca when they blast the probe droid, but the size and lack of articulation take away from it.
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) - 3 - This is the Saga one again, so a decent figure, and the snow application is better than the next two.
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) - 3 - This is still the great VOTC sculpt, with yet another new head, but it gets marked down for the snow paint app.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) - 3 - This is a great set, but not a very snowy Chewbacca. Still a great figure though.

Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) - 1 - As a set it looks all right, but the carded version in the Saga line looks better.
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) - 2 - I don't have this one open, so hard to judge for sure. Is the mask removable? Doesn't have quite the articulation of the 2002 Saga figure.
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1 - The only one with the handcuffs, but still a bulky POTF2 sculpt. The set as a whole looks all right in the box.
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1 - If you stand him next to the TSC Leia Boussh, his scale isn't too bad
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) - 2 - The POTJ Mechanic sculpt repainted and with a chain. Better than the undersized one, but I like the pose of the earlier one better.
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) - 1 - A decent scene specific figure with a nice accessory, but if you have the BMF, you don't need the chessboard, and you can almost make that pose with the VOTC figure. So, not a necessary figure to get.
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) - 3 - This figure still holds up pretty well, and comes with the net and C-3PO parts.

Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) - 1 - I give it a 1 only because it is the only version of this figure.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - This set makes a nice display piece.
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - Another nice display piece, and you can combine it with the Han & Luke set.
Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) - 2 - The only ROTS version. A decent figure, but could be better. Don't know that we really need another prequel Chewie though.
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) - 3 - Another fine McQuarrie figure. I'd give it a 4 if it had ball-jointed shoulders.
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - 0 - Now that there is a carded, non-comic Han Solo as Stormtrooper, there really is no reason to get this unless you want to have a complete set of the comic pack figures, or like the way the figures in this pack look.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) - 3 - Another fine variation of the VOTC figure, but it's a cut-scene figure and not really essential.

sebillba
04-30-2009, 02:04 AM
Sebillba, you forgot to give it a score but I have a feeling you'd have gone with a 4.

Oops, thanks for catching it - yes, 4 for VOTC. Fixed it.


Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) - 2 - I don't have this one open, so hard to judge for sure. Is the mask removable?

No, you can't take his mask off.

sebillba
04-30-2009, 06:27 AM
Ok, let's see how far I can get with rating the rest. So far they've all scored highly with me, Chewie is one of my favourite characters, and I find it hard to give any of his figures low marks, but I may be more ruthless on the non-classic versions....

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) -1 -I like this figure a lot, it's better than a '1', but I have to rate it relative to the other Hoth Chewies. Nice detail, but underscaled.
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) - 2 - Better scale and articulation than Flashback, but not as good as the next two.
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) - 3 - pobably my favourite Hoth Chewie - based on VOTC, and the new head was a nice touch. However, the head is a little scene-specific, and the excessive paintjob keeps him from being a 4.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) - 3 - a bit pointless - not enough snow to make him a true Hoth Chewie, but hey, even a light dusting of snow means he can only really be used for Hoth scenes. Having said that, he's still a fantastic sculpt, so I can't mark him down any further.

sebillba
04-30-2009, 08:33 AM
Sorry about the multiple postings, it's just easier for me to do it like this when I'm at work.

Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) - 1 - fine as part of the set, but not a great figure on its own - something about the face is off, probably the cross-eyes, but it gets a point for the removable mask.
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) - 2 - a much better looking figure, just a shame the mask is sculpted on.
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1 - gets a point for the handcuffs, but is too dated for use with the new stormtrooper Han and Luke figures.
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 0 - it's that goofy, cross-eyed look again. Nothing to redeem this one.
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) - 3 - I really like the mechanic Chewie, and the metal chain is a nice touch. He looks quite impressive towering over the Saga Boushh.
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) - 1 - I thought this was cool when it first came out, but there's not a lot else you can do with it. If you can get the same pose from VOTC, there's no real need for this one.
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) - 3 - very nice figure, with great accessories. I really liked the way the fur was sculpted hanging from his arms when this came out.

sebillba
04-30-2009, 02:54 PM
Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) - 1 - a very outdated figure, but it was fun to see Chewie in a new outfit.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - looks great, but works better as a statue than an action figure.
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - this also looks really good as part of the full display, but on its own it looks more like Disco Dancing Chewie.
Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) - 3 - I've just had a 'play' with this one, and like it a lot more than I thought - he's very wibbly-wobbly thanks to the unnecessary action feature, but he looks great with the other ROTS wookiees, and can hold his bowcaster much easier than VOTC can.
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) - 4 - Awesome figure. My favourite of the McQ concept set, but even if you don't collect these, he'd fit perfectly in a Cantina diorama.
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - 0 - I completely passed on clown-faced Chewie.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) - 3 - nice sculpt, but why is he suddenly made of rubber?

Snowtrooper
04-30-2009, 11:48 PM
Basic Chewbacca
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) 1 Gets a point for being one of the original 12. He does however, look like he's checking out a female wookie.
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) 0 He looks like he belongs in the MOTU line rather than SW. Glad I never bought him.
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) 0 Same as above.
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) 2 The first Chewie I ever owned actually and its still not too bad.
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) 4 Definitely the best version, maybe one of the best figures of all time. The articulation and sculpt are top notch.
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) 4 Basically VOTC with a different head.
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) 1 He's kind of a weird color and uses an outdated sculpt. But there are worse ones out there.

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) 1 The sculpt just seems a little weird to me. But it has the best snow paint job of any Hoth Chewie.
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) 1 Outdated sculpt and not so great paint job.
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) 3 Gets alot of credit for using VOTC sculpt, but the snow looks mor elike spraypaint.
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) 3 Again, great using the VOTC sculpt, but comes up short when as far as snow paint apps.

Snowtrooper
05-01-2009, 08:34 PM
Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) 0
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) 2
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) 0
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) 1
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) 2
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) 1
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) 2

Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) 1
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) 3
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) 3
Chewbacca (2005 ROTS #5) 2
Concept Chewbacca (2007 30th Anniversary #21) 4
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) 1
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) 3

Tycho
05-02-2009, 02:27 AM
I have to appologize. I just have not felt like talking about C-3PO or Chewbacca just yet. Discussing Darth Vader might certainly turn me off, too.

I can say these things:

C-3PO - I really liked TPM one. Very detailed paint application.

The AOTC one where you put his coverings on was fun - sort of like a different take on the current build-a-droid concept.

Probably the best gold C-3PO was from ROTJ, the Ewok Diety version with bending knees. That one's nice. The ROTS one wasn't bad though.

Chewbacca - the POTJ 2001 Mechanic figure started a nice height / scale standard for Chewie. I think the articulation improved with the Saga Bespin Escape Chewie, and the ROTS Wookiee Rage one was fun.

The VOTC was one VOTC I did buy, but he sort of seems too skinny. I know that is more accurate, but it's fun for me when the figures are sometimes a little more buffed out. What's the Chewie that comes with the BMF? That's a pretty decent figure. I guess I'll pick that one for my favorite, as its original incarnation. (Don't tell me it was the VOTC, hehe).

sebillba
05-02-2009, 02:40 AM
The VOTC was one VOTC I did buy, but he sort of seems too skinny. I know that is more accurate, but it's fun for me when the figures are sometimes a little more buffed out. What's the Chewie that comes with the BMF? That's a pretty decent figure. I guess I'll pick that one for my favorite, as its original incarnation. (Don't tell me it was the VOTC, hehe).

It's the Early Bird Chewie - which is the VOTC body with a new head.

I haven't got the BMF yet, btw, but I will have in just under 2 months time - I know I'm getting it for my birthday... there's a huge Hasbro box in the spare room, which is just too big too hide!! :D

Mad Slanted Powers
05-02-2009, 02:43 AM
The VOTC was one VOTC I did buy, but he sort of seems too skinny. I know that is more accurate, but it's fun for me when the figures are sometimes a little more buffed out. What's the Chewie that comes with the BMF? That's a pretty decent figure. I guess I'll pick that one for my favorite, as its original incarnation. (Don't tell me it was the VOTC, hehe).It's the Early Bird version, which is pretty much the VOTC one with a different head.

Edit - Ah, sebilba already answered your query.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-04-2009, 08:27 PM
I'm gathering links and preparing the list for Darth Vader. Does anyone know which version is packed with the OTC Darth Vader TIE Fighter?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-04-2009, 08:30 PM
I'm gathering links and preparing the list for Darth Vader. Does anyone know which version is packed with the OTC Darth Vader TIE Fighter?
Gee, if only someone had already made a Darth Vader list and posted it earlier in this thread . . .

(It's the one from the Gunner Station.)

Mad Slanted Powers
05-04-2009, 08:58 PM
Gee, if only someone had already made a Darth Vader list and posted it earlier in this thread . . .

(It's the one from the Gunner Station.)
Yes, you have a list, but it didn't say which one it was, and it doesn't have links. I'll be checking your list to see if there are any I forget. I did find a reference that it was the Gunner Station one after I posted the question.

Also, this is going to be a big list. I'll probably post it all at once, but when I weed it down to those we are going to rate, I'll probably do it in smaller groups. Chewbacca was about the limit for what we could handle, I think.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-05-2009, 12:39 AM
There are a few ways to split up Vader, but none of them are really better than the other. You could do by era, year, or figure line, for one. You could do ANH, Hoth, Dagobah, Emperor's wrath, and all-purpose ROTS/ESB/ROTJ Vaders, but there would be more than a few in the all-purpose category. Then there are also quite a few "oddball" Vaders . . . any way could be fine, I suppose.

sebillba
05-05-2009, 01:45 AM
I think it would be good if they could be broken down by movie, so we could get the definitive classic-look Vader from each film. Then another section for alternative versions, like Dagobah "ghost", Emperor's Wrath and Hologram. And a final category for EU - comic packs, concept art, etc. Looking at my own list ANH will be the biggest list, but hopefully many of them will be re-releases, so can be disregarded.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-05-2009, 01:55 AM
But how would you differentiate between ROTS, ESB and ROTJ Vaders? For instance, even the VOTC Vader, first released on an ESB card, has also been released in the ROTJ tin and even a Force Unleashed battle pack (among many other releases).

sebillba
05-05-2009, 02:11 AM
You're right - I'm no expert on Vader, he looks pretty much the same to me from one movie to the next, but I assumed there would be subtle differences. After I posted, I started looking at the figures on RS, and still couldn't really differentiate between them. I thought we could just use the "source" movie shown at the top of each RS page, but it's still very confusing - for example, the Vader in the EpIV Commemorative Tin has Hayden's head, which I would think would automatically make him from ROTS, rather than ANH. Similarly, there's the TAC version with Hayden's head, but it also has the Ob-Wan cloak base, which is clearly from ANH.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-05-2009, 02:28 AM
Perhaps we should just go more or less chronologically by release date and take our time discussing them. In going through them all tonight, I see that not only are there are so many repacks, but some that aren't straight repacks such that there is enough difference that it could be considered a different figure. Plus, there are a few where I'm not certain if RS's descriptions were correct in terms of what figure was being repacked.

First, however, I'll try and put them into groups like I did with Chewbacca and see what I come up with. I got through just about everything tonight and started comparing to Mr.JJL's list. Once I finish with that, I'll start organizing and post something, hopefully tomorrow night.

DarkJedi5
05-05-2009, 10:38 AM
The only differentiation I know of between Vaders mostly comes from the shoulder armor on the OT Vader and ROTS Vader. Other than that the only really obvious difference between ANH Vader and ESB Vader is of course the red eyes but I don't think we've got more than one with red eyes (if we have any that is). I think MSP is right, let's take it chronologically.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-05-2009, 02:54 PM
The only differentiation I know of between Vaders mostly comes from the shoulder armor on the OT Vader and ROTS Vader. Other than that the only really obvious difference between ANH Vader and ESB Vader is of course the red eyes but I don't think we've got more than one with red eyes (if we have any that is). I think MSP is right, let's take it chronologically.
The absolute most obvious thing is that Vader wore his inner cape/robe over his shoulder armor in ANH, and this is reflected on the figures. The shoulder armor is over his cape everywhere else. His ROTS shoulder armor isn't accurately done on any of the figures, so that's irrelevant.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-06-2009, 07:09 PM
Okay, I'll begin with the POTF2 figures, and any versions of them that appeared later on. As per sebilba's suggestion, here again is the scale to rate the figures:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

So, here are the POTF2 era Darth Vader figures. Only rate the numbered ones. The indented ones are repacks. However, you can comment on whether it would be better to get one of the repacks instead of the original.

POTF2
1. Darth Vader (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtvader.asp)
.....Darth Vader (1995 POTF2 Classic Edition 4-Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2classicedition4pack.asp)
2. Darth Vader (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2vader.asp)
.....Prince Xizor Vs. Darth Vader (1996 Shadows of the Empire Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKxizor-vader.asp) - repack of 1995 POT2
.....Darth Vader (1997 Hong Kong Commemorative Edition Imperial Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2hongkongbad.asp) - repack of 1995 POT2 with Boba Fett and Stormtrooper repacks
3. Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2fxvader.asp)
4. Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2finaljediduel.asp)
5. TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gsvader.asp)
.....Darth Vader (2004 OTC Darth Vader's TIE Fighter) - repack of POTF2 Gunner Station figure
6. Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2vaderremhelmet.asp)
7. Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2vaderfb.asp)
8. Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2cgvader.asp) - with removable dome
9. Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2bg-deathstar.asp) - body from POTF2 removable helmet version, head from POTF 2 Complete Galaxy version
10. Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTvader.asp)
.....Darth Vader (2007 TAC Capture of the Tantive IV Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPtantiveIV.asp) - repack of POTF2 Commtech, no saber

Let me know if I'm missing any from this era, or later repacks of these figures.

bigbarada
05-06-2009, 08:27 PM
Okay, I'll begin with the POTF2 figures, and any versions of them that appeared later on. As per sebilba's suggestion, here again is the scale to rate the figures:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

So, here are the POTF2 era Darth Vader figures. Only rate the numbered ones. The indented ones are repacks. However, you can comment on whether it would be better to get one of the repacks instead of the original.

POTF2
1. Darth Vader (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtvader.asp)
.....Darth Vader (1995 POTF2 Classic Edition 4-Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2classicedition4pack.asp)
2. Darth Vader (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2vader.asp)
.....Prince Xizor Vs. Darth Vader (1996 Shadows of the Empire Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKxizor-vader.asp) - repack of 1995 POT2
.....Darth Vader (1997 Hong Kong Commemorative Edition Imperial Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2hongkongbad.asp) - repack of 1995 POT2 with Boba Fett and Stormtrooper repacks
3. Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2fxvader.asp)
4. Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2finaljediduel.asp)
5. TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gsvader.asp)
.....Darth Vader (2004 OTC Darth Vader's TIE Fighter) - repack of POTF2 Gunner Station figure
6. Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2vaderremhelmet.asp)
7. Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2vaderfb.asp)
8. Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2cgvader.asp) - with removable dome
9. Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2bg-deathstar.asp) - body from POTF2 removable helmet version, head from POTF 2 Complete Galaxy version
10. Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTvader.asp)
.....Darth Vader (2007 TAC Capture of the Tantive IV Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPtantiveIV.asp) - repack of POTF2 Commtech, no saber

Let me know if I'm missing any from this era, or later repacks of these figures.

1. Vintage Vader - 2 (I hated this figure as a kid just because he was so skinny and inaccurate, but he grew on me over the years)
2. 1995 POTF2 - 0
3. 0
4. 0
5. 0
6. 1998 Removable Helmet - 2 (only notable as being the first ever removable helmet Vader figure)
7. 0
8. Complete Galaxy - 0 (even though it's the first Vader with a soft-goods cape)
9. 0
10. 1999 Commtech Vader - 2 (a little on the small side, but still useful. Also the most accurate looking Darth Vader of it's time)

sebillba
05-07-2009, 11:24 AM
1. 1978 Vintage - 2 - not a great figure, but I've scored it this highly because it's the only one from this line-up that I still display. It's incredible that while we've had several dozen different Vaders in the modern line, this one sufficed for the entire vintage run.
2. 1995 POTF2 - 1 - completely outdated by today's standards, but at the time I thought this was a pretty cool figure... one of the better figs from the original re-launch series, and comparing it to the previous vintage version, I loved the proper lightsaber and the cape that wasn't just a piece of flat vinyl.
3. 1997 POTF2 Power F/X - 0
4. 1997 POTF2 Jedi Duel - 0
5. 1998 POTF2 Gunner Station - 0 - the first Vader with knees, but the soft goods look kind of raggedy.
6. 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame (removable helmet) - 2 - a real breakthrough in Vader figures, and something collectors had been waiting many years for. It still looks pretty good as an alternative to figures with soft goods.
7. 1998 POTF2 Flashback - 1 - apparently the first Vader with the double cape, ala ANH and red tinted eyes... but doesn't look that special to me - by this time, it was just another Vader.
8. 1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy - 1 - the first Vader with knees and a removable dome. The soft goods cape is also an improvement over the first effort. (Although it's not one of my favourite DVs, and has long since been retired to the loft, it's bugged me for ages that I'd lost his dome... but I've just started to re-organise my displays, and found the dome hidden amongst some other Imperials - amazing how such a small thing could suddenly make my day!!)
9. 1998 Escape the Death Star Game - 1 - same head as Complete Galaxy, but with the superior Freeze Frame body. I can't rate it as highly as the FF, so it still only gets a '1', but really should be 1.5.
10. 1995 POTF2 Commtech - 1 - better proportioned than previous versions, nice pose and cool accessory... however, I don't know if it's just mine, but I was never too keen on the cape, it doesn't seem to hang right on the shoulders (this should also be a 1.5 if I could!).

MSP, when do you plan on posting the results for the first two or three figures we've rated? It seems unlikely anyone else will contribute now, and even if they do, you could always update the results. So far, it seems pretty obvious which is the definitive version of each figure we've looked at, but it would still be interesting to see how our ratings have ranked the others.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-07-2009, 06:46 PM
MSP, when do you plan on posting the results for the first two or three figures we've rated? It seems unlikely anyone else will contribute now, and even if they do, you could always update the results. So far, it seems pretty obvious which is the definitive version of each figure we've looked at, but it would still be interesting to see how our ratings have ranked the others.I was actually thinking of posting the results so far before I got to the next bunch of Vaders. I'll have it sometime tonight.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-07-2009, 08:06 PM
Here is an update of how the ratings have gone so far with Ben Kenobi (OT), C-3PO, and Chewbacca. We've been rating figures on the following scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

I've highlighted in blue all of the ones that have an average greater than 3.

Ben Kenobi (OT)
3.75 (8 votes).....Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC)
2.50 (8 votes).....Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary)
2.38 (8 votes).....Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC)
2.38 (8 votes).....Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ)
2.00 (8 votes).....Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback)
1.00 (8 votes).....Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage)
0.25 (8 votes).....Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2)
0.13 (8 votes).....Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X)
0.00 (8 votes).....Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene)

Spirit Obi-Wan
3.29 (7 votes).....Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC)
1.00 (7 votes).....Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene)
1.00 (7 votes).....Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive)

Expanded Universe
3.43 (7 votes).....Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive)


C-3PO

Clean
3.43 (7 votes).....C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) - With Ewok Throne and knee articulation
2.43 (7 votes).....C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18)
1.43 (7 votes).....See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage)
1.29 (7 votes).....C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) – Kitbash removable limbs & Purchase of the Droids
1.14 (7 votes).....C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage)
0.71 (7 votes).....C-3PO (1995 POTF2)

Dirty
2.00 (7 votes).....C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - Includes net
1.86 (7 votes).....C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - Desert worn and removeable arm
1.57 (7 votes).....C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) - green slime & damaged eye
1.14 (7 votes).....C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene)
0.43 (7 votes).....C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) - Includes escape pod
0.00 (7 votes).....C-3PO (2004 VOTC)

The Phantom Menace
2.33 (6 votes).....C-3PO (Episode I) - Naked?!

Attack of the Clones
2.17 (6 votes).....C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) - Swap heads with included red battle droid
1.50 (6 votes).....C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) - Removable coverings and case

Expanded Universe
3.33 (6 votes).....Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) - with Concept R2-D2
3.17 (6 votes).....C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) - Animated version
1.00 (6 votes).....C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) - Repaint of ROTS #18
1.00 (6 votes).....C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO)
0.50 (6 votes).....C-3PO (1985 Droids)

Chewbacca

Basic Chewbacca
3.83 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2004 VOTC)
3.67 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) - based on VOTC with new head
2.00 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ)
1.33 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) - 2002 Saga #38 repaint, no C-3PO, and bowcaster instead of blaster
1.17 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (1978 Vintage)
0.33 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (1995 POTF2)
0.17 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Millennium Minted Coin) - repaint of 1995 POTF2 basic figure

Hoth Chewbacca
2.00 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) - Early Bird repaint, light dusting of snow
2.00 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) - VOTC snowy repaint and new head
1.33 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) - Based on 2002 Saga #38, snowy repaint, bowcaster instead of blaster
1.17 (6 votes).....Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback)

Other Scene Specific
2.33 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) - Includes C-3PO parts and net
2.00 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14)
1.83 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) - POTJ Mechanic repaint with chain instead of original accessories
1.17 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ)
0.50 (6 votes).....Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene)
0.50 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame)
0.33 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene)

Prequel, EU, Etc.
3.33 (6 votes).....Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21)
2.67 (6 votes).....Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary)
2.17 (6 votes).....Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene)
2.00 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) - based on VOTC now with desert sandstorm sculpt
1.67 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5)
1.00 (6 votes).....Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE)
0.50 (6 votes).....Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - POTJ Mechanic repaint comic style

If you haven't rated anything yet, or have missed rating some of these, feel free to chime in and rate them at any time.

DarkJedi5
05-07-2009, 08:15 PM
POTF2
Darth Vader (1978 Vintage) – 1 – The first Vader. If you like the vintage stuff get one otherwise, skip it.
Darth Vader (1995 POTF2) – 1 – My first Vader so it gets better than a zero but that’s about it.
Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) – 0 – I never liked any of the F/X line, I think the R2 is the best but none of them are great.
Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene) – 0 – Probably a better figure than the first POTF2 Vader but still not worth getting anymore.
TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 0 – Didn’t even buy this one.
Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 1 – A landmark Vader with the removable helmet and some added articulation but not that good by today’s standards.
Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 0 – A step backwards as far as I’m concerned.
Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) -1- This one gets a 1 because it’s a good Vader for what it’s supposed to be.
Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) – 0 – A kitbashed figure is only as good as the sum of its parts. Or less than in this case.
Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – Best of this first batch because of the iconic Vader pose but why released this in a battle pack last year beats me.

Snowtrooper
05-07-2009, 09:44 PM
POTF2
Darth Vader (1978 Vintage) 2 Never owned it as a kid, but always liked it.

Darth Vader (1995 POTF2) 1

Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) 0

Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene) 0

TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) 0

Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) 2

Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback) 2 The first modern SW figure I ever bought.

Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) 1

Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) 0

Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech) 2

Mad Slanted Powers
05-07-2009, 10:27 PM
Darth Vader (1978 Vintage) – 0 – In a way, it is better than the first POTF2 figures, but with all the modern Vaders to choose from, no real need for this one.
Darth Vader (1995 POTF2) – 0 – Too bulky, as most figures from this era are.
Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) – 0 – Ooh, pretty lights, but I'll pass.
Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene) – 0 – Yet another bulky figure.
TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 1 – I'll give this a one because it has a cloth cape, articulated knees, and isn't quite so bulky.
Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 2 – I haven't opened this one, so I'm not sure how well the helmet stays on. A landmark figure, but with the sculpted cape and not much articulation, it doesn't hold up to today's standards.
Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 2 – Despite still being a bit bulky, and having a sculpted cape, I thought this was a pretty good figure. It has articulated elbows and wrists. Later sculpted cape figures didn't work for me as well as this one.
Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) - 2 - The only Complete Galaxy I have. Didn't get it until 2004. I might like the whole package better than the 500th one, though that one is a better figure overall.
Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) – 0 – Better to just have the two figures this one is based on.
Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – I think this is the first non-bulky Vader. A neutral pose with some articulated elbows, but kind of limited in what the arms can do. No lightsaber, but the interrogation droid is a nice pack-in.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-09-2009, 12:49 PM
Here are the next group of Darth Vader figures from the POTJ and Saga line, along with their repacks. Rate only the numbered versions.

POTJ
1. Darth Vader (Dagobah) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjdagvader.asp) - Detachable head, removable faceplate with Luke's face
2. Darth Vader (2000 POTJ Masters of the Dark Side) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjvadermaulmods.asp) - with Darth Maul
....Darth Vader (Death Star Clash) (2003 Saga #32) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0332vaderdsc.asp) - repack of POTJ Masters of the Dark Side figure
....Darth Vader (Death Star Clash) (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFvader.asp) - repack of POTJ Masters of the Dark Side figure
....Darth Vader (2004 OTC #34) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC34darthvader.asp) - repack of POTJ Masters of the Dark Side figure
....Darth Vader (Death Star Hangar) (2005 POTC #10) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC05darthvaderDSH.asp) - repack of POTJ Masters of the Dark Side figure
....Darth Vader (2006 TSC Death Star BriefingScene Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCdeathstarbriefing.asp) - repack of POTJ Masters of the Dark Side figure
3. Darth Vader (Emperor's Wrath) (2001 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTJvaderew.asp) - lightning skull head
4. Darth Vader (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thobiwanvader.asp) - with Ben Kenobi
....Darth Vader (2006 TSC ANH Commemorative DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscANHdvd.asp) - same as 2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary

Saga
5. Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) (2002 Saga #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagavaderbespin.asp) - slashing attack, Bespin walkway parts
6. Darth Vader (Silver) (2002 Silver Anniversary Toy Fair/Fan Club Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagatoyfairvader.asp) - silver, based on POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene
....Darth Vader (Silver) (2005 ROTS KB Exclusive Collector Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05collectorpack.asp) - 9 figures in this set
7. Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) (2003 Saga #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0318vadertrd.asp) - removable helmet, lightsaber throwing action
....Darth Vader (2004 OTC #10) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC10darthvader.asp) - repack of 2003 Saga #18
....Darth Vader (2005 Sith Lords Commerorative Episode III DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05dvdsetColl2.asp) - repack of 2003 Saga #18, with Dooku and Palpatine
....Darth Vader (2007 TAC I Am Your Father's Day Gift Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACfathersday.asp) - repack of 2003 Saga #18
8. Darth Vader (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03imperialforces.asp) - based on POTJ Emperor's Wrath, regular head this time
....Darth Vader (2004 ROTJ Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionROTJ.asp) - repack of Imperial Force Battle Pack figure, with Stormtrooper and Palpatine
....Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Collectible Cup) (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/rots/#cups) - repack of Imperial Force Battle Pack figure

There was also a Vader figure in the "Figuras de Colecciσn" set. It appears to be a repack, probably of the Dagobah figure.

sebillba
05-09-2009, 06:06 PM
POTJ
1. 2000 POTJ (Dagobah) - 2 - a unique Vader, but not really necessary, unless you want to recreate one small, limited scene.
2. 2000 POTJ (Masters of the Dark Side) - 1 - I'm not too keen on this one, it's kind of boring, and something about it doesn't look right to me... maybe it's the combo of plastic inner cape and soft goods outer - go with one or the other please!
3. 2001 POTJ (Emperor's Wrath) - 2 - the lightning skull effect makes this a nice alternative to the regular Vader, and works better than the Saga version (though that had the severed hand, which was a cool upgrade).
4. 2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 0 - a great set, but doesn't really work well on its own.

Saga
5. 2002 Saga (Bespin Duel) - 2 - Windswept Vader strikes a classic pose and is perfect for recreating this pivotal scene, but isn't much use as an all-purpose DV.
6. 2002 Silver - 0 - completely pointless.
7. 2003 Saga (Throne Room Duel) - 2 - not a bad figure, it looks pretty nice, but would be better without the floppy-armed action feature.
8. 2003 Saga (Imperial Forces) - 3 - it may only have basic articulation and not have a removable helmet, but I really like this figure - it's one of my favourite Vaders. Simple, yet classic.

Snowtrooper
05-10-2009, 07:19 PM
POTJ
1. Darth Vader (Dagobah) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjdagvader.asp) 3 -I like the use of transluscent plastic, removeable head, and removeable facemask.
2. Darth Vader (2000 POTJ Masters of the Dark Side) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjvadermaulmods.asp) 2 -It was pretty good for its time, but its sculpt and lack of articulation make it outdated.
3. Darth Vader (Emperor's Wrath) (2001 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTJvaderew.asp) 3 -Liked how you could see the skull and the see through hands.
4. Darth Vader (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thobiwanvader.asp) 1 -A statue and not that great of one.

DarkJedi5
05-11-2009, 01:08 PM
POTJ
Darth Vader (Dagobah) (2000 POTJ) – 3 – I consider this to be the best Dagobah Vader to date. The figure looks great with the clearish plastic and having the removable head with Luke’s face finishes it perfectly.
Darth Vader (2000 POTJ Masters of the Dark Side) – 1 – I didn’t get this one until I bought the DS Briefing set and it’s not a bad figure, it’s just not a great figure either.
Darth Vader (Emperor's Wrath) (2001 POTJ) – 3 – My favorite electrocuted Vader, it works great for a dio of the Emperor being tossed but nothing else.
Darth Vader (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 2 – The Ben was a much better figure and while Vader was fine I wasn’t impressed.

Saga
Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) (2002 Saga #30) – 2 – This is a good figure for the one scene it is from and if it weren’t for the button in his back and the way it makes the cape sit this could have been a really good figure.
Darth Vader (Silver) (2002 Silver Anniversary Toy Fair/Fan Club Exclusive) – 0 – I refuse to give good marks to any silver figure.
Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) (2003 Saga #18) – 1 – I don’t have this one and while the head sculpt looks like a good likeness the action feature looks like it would cause problems on display.
Darth Vader (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) – 0 – While I loved the Dagobah version this one offers nothing new or interesting.

Snowtrooper
05-11-2009, 09:38 PM
Saga
5. Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) (2002 Saga #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagavaderbespin.asp) 2 The windswept cloak just didn't look right to me. Its not a horrible figure, but it failed to capture the moment it was trying to.
6. Darth Vader (Silver) (2002 Silver Anniversary Toy Fair/Fan Club Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagatoyfairvader.asp) 1 Gets a point for being vac-metalized, but thats about it.
7. Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) (2003 Saga #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0318vadertrd.asp) 1 Basically Bespin Duel Vader with a RH.
8. Darth Vader (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03imperialforces.asp) 2 POTJ Dagobah version molded in solid plastic. Not the best or worst out there I guess.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-12-2009, 01:45 AM
POTJ
Darth Vader (Dagobah) (2000 POTJ) – 2 – I don't like the hard plastic cape, and of course the articulation doesn't compare to today, but I like the removable head with the Luke face underneath the removable face plate.
Darth Vader (2000 POTJ Masters of the Dark Side) – 1 – Great that it is no longer the beefed up POTF2 style, but with so many other better figures out there, this one is rather outdated. The way he holds the lightsaber out in front makes it looks like he is fishing or something.
Darth Vader (Emperor's Wrath) (2001 POTJ) – 1 – Once again, I don't like the hard plastic cape, and he has kind of a crooked pose. The TSC version has some nice improvements, so I'd rather have that one. This one might have the advantage on the way the head looks, however.
Darth Vader (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 1 – I think I agree with DarkJedi5 on this one. I gave the Ben figure a 2, but this Vader just doesn't have too much going for it. I'll still give it a 1 because it is part of a nice looking set piece.

Saga
Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) (2002 Saga #30) – 2 – I'd give this one a worse vote, but I think it is a good figure for this specific scene, along with the accessories that come with it.
Darth Vader (Silver) (2002 Silver Anniversary Toy Fair/Fan Club Exclusive) – 0 – A silver figure based on a figure that I gave a 0.
Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) (2003 Saga #18) – 2 – I haven't opened this one, so I can't judge it as well as I would like to. Since it is similar in style to 2002 Saga #30, plus has a removable helmet, I'll give it the same score. I definitely can't give it more than a 2.
Darth Vader (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) – 0 – I can forgive the pose and cape when it was the Emperor's Wrath version, but this is just another awkwardly posed Vader. I only have it because it was a decent battle pack to get.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-12-2009, 02:44 PM
I missed out on the first set of Vaders, so let me do that one first . . .

POTF2
1. Darth Vader (1978 Vintage) - 0 - I suppose I could be giving the vintage figures a 1 since they're interesting as history pieces, but they don't match up with the modern line.
2. Darth Vader (1995 POTF2) - 0 - There's really no point in getting this when they've done so many great versions since then.
.....Prince Xizor Vs. Darth Vader (1996 Shadows of the Empire Comic Pack) - 0 - This one actually has a different pose and cape, but I think that they eventually replaced the original version with this one on the basic card. Still, pretty bad for today's standards.
3. Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 1 - Eh, it's fun for a little bit.
4. Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene) - 1 - I like the set overall, but I wouldn't get this apart from that.
5. TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) - 0 - The gunner station is kind of interesting, but nothing special. I prefer the full TIE to the little stubby thing. I don't know what the going price of the OTC fighter is these days, but they always repack it without the figure, but again, you could use a better Vader.
6. Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1 - I loved the removable helmet and hand when I was younger (though I remember getting it and not remembering that he got his hand cut off by Luke).
7. Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - A pretty good ANH duel Vader.
8. Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) - with removable dome - 1 - The 500th figure is better.
9. Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) - 1 - Not terrible, but not great.
10. Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 2 - I like the sculpt and pose, but it's too small. I'd say get the battle pack to get the troopers, since the COMMTech chip is kind of pointless aside from being a stand.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-12-2009, 09:49 PM
I'm going to move on to the next group of Vaders. If you aren't caught up yet, that is fine. You can continue to rate anything you've missed so far.

OTC/VOTC
1. Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC29darthvaderhoth.asp) - Hoth repaint of 2003 Imperial Forces Battle Pack figure
2. Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04silvervader.asp) - silver repaint of POTJ Dagobah with POTJ Emperor's Wrath head
3. Darth Vader (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vdarthvader.asp)
....Darth Vader (2006 TSC Imperial Shuttle) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCshuttle.asp) - repack of VOTC
....Darth Vader (2007 TAC Attack on Kashyyyk Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPkashyyyk.asp) - repack of VOTC
....Darth Vader (2008 TLC Disturbance in the Force Comic Con Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCDisturbanceCJ.asp) - repack of VOTC, with holo Emperor and base
....Darth Vader & Incinerator Troopers (2008 TAC Force Unleashed Commemorative Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUincinerators.asp) - repack of VOTC
4. Darth Vader (2005 Special Edition 500th Figure) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw05vader500.asp) - based on VOTC, with removable dome, meditationchamber
....Darth Vader (2007 TAC Betrayal on Bespin Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACBPbespin.asp) - repack of 500th figure
5. Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) (http://www.rebelscum.com/otcHolidayVader.asp) - red repaint based on POTJ Emperor's wrath

ROTS
6. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05vaderlava.asp) - lava reflection, based on POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene
7. Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0511vader.asp)
....Darth Vader (2006 TSC Episode III Heroes & Villains Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCe301vader.asp) - ROTS #11 repack
....Darth Vader & 30th Anniversary Coin Album (2007 30th Anniversary #01) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tac01vader.asp) - ROTS #11 repack
....Darth Vader & K-3PX (2008 TLC Droid Factory #2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcDF2.asp) - ROTS #11 repack
8. Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05dlxvader.asp) - with operating table
9. Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05dlxanakin.asp) - Vader armor fits over Anakin figure
10. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05c3vader.asp) - based on POTJ 25th Anniversary, display base with voice chip
11. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swevol_AS-DV.asp) - SA and removable helmet
12. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPrebelvsempire.asp) - kitbashed Saga 2002 #30 & Saga 2003 #18

DarkJedi5
05-13-2009, 12:42 PM
OTC/VOTC
Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) – 0 – Nothing special here.
Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) – 0 – I hate silver figs.
Darth Vader (2004 VOTC) – 3 – An awesome figure that was very good at the time. Now though, the swivel elbows just ain’t what they used to be.
Darth Vader (2005 Special Edition 500th Figure) – 3 – Another great Vader, the removable dome was something we hadn’t seen before (not done well anyway) and the rest of the meditation chamber was tremendous.
Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) – 0 – Holiday figures blow.

ROTS
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) – 0 – What a piece of junk. An out dated mould and a crappy paint idea.
Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11) – 1 – I give it a one just because it doesn’t look as bad as it is. The action feature really limits the articulation.
Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) – 2 – In my heart this figure is at least a three but it’s not the best Vader so I can’t score it like that here. However this one looks great on display and I love it.
Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) – 0 – It’s not a good Anakin figure and it’s not a good Vader figure.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) – 1 – Not a bad figure and looks crisper than the 25th Anniversary one but it’s nothing compared to the Evo or VOTC versions so don’t waste your money on the gimmick.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) – 3 – This Vader has everything you could want in a Vader except a right hand that can hold a lightsaber. Really, I can’t believe they haven’t fixed that by now.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) – 0 – This figure just looks pretty underwhelming, especially right after I look at the Evo Vader.

sebillba
05-14-2009, 03:33 PM
OTC/VOTC
Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) – 1 – as much as love the Imperial Forces figure on which this is based, I found this one completely ignorable.
Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) – 0 - it's silver. 'Nuff said.
Darth Vader (2004 VOTC) – 3 – a great figure, only let down by the swivel elbows.
Darth Vader (2005 Special Edition 500th Figure) – 3 – I've never opened this one, seeing as the packaging forms part of the chamber, but it's basically the VOTC with a removable dome, so I'll score it the same.
Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) – 0 – at least the other Christmas figures recreated the unique versions of the characters on the cards - this one bears no relation to that source, he should've been buliding a snow-stormie to continue the tradition.

ROTS
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) – 0 – this should get a minus score - a 10 year old sculpt that had no place in the ROTS line.
Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11) – 3 – although the action feature compromises the articulation, I think this one displays really well.
Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) – 3 – a great set, with loads of play value, plus the figure itself is a pretty good neutrally-posed Vader - possibly the best non-soft goods version. I would've liked more detail on the head, but that's a minor gripe.
Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) – 1 – another fun set, but as DJ5 said, it doesn't make a particularly good Vader or Anakin. One for the kids (although I enjoyed it myself!).
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) – 0 – same score I gave to the 25th Anniversary. Another one to ignore.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) – 4 – the almost-perfect Vader. It's been improved on slightly with the 2-piece hemet, but seeing as I can't give it 3.75, it has to be a 4. I don't have a problem with the open hand - as long as he can hold saber with one hand, then that's good enough for me.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) – 1 – re-hashed from two older figures, both of which I've already rated a '2', but this one somehow seems less than the sum of its parts.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-14-2009, 10:42 PM
I'm going to be gone for a couple days. I was going to post the next group of Vaders, but I probably won't have time to get to it tonight. So, I'll let you all get caught up on what's been posted so far. I'll post the remaining Vaders on Sunday night. After that, we move onto Han Solo.

Tycho
05-15-2009, 12:39 PM
Oh good. I will participate very thoroughly in a discussion about Han Solo (very favored character for me). Meanwhile, when I return from breakfast, I *might* comment on the Darth Vader figures. Something I thought I never would.

So far with me or without me, the Obi-Wan, C-3PO, and Chewbacca votes went down the way I'd have voted anyway. Of the winners, I own the C-3PO figures. I might have Chewie, or most of his pieces in an earlier version. I'd have to check.

Meanwhile, I love the 1998 Removeable Helmet Darth Vader figure because as a vintage collector back in the day, I'd been so longing for this to come out. 1998 was a special year for me as I got one of my all-time most-wanted-figures, following 1997 where I'd got Rebel Fleet Trooper, Wedge Antilles, and Grand Moff Tarkin - 3 others I'd longed for in vintage days (not to mention Garindan and 1996's Han Stormtrooper Disguise).

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-15-2009, 01:55 PM
Okay, time for some more . . .

POTJ
1. Darth Vader (Dagobah) (2000 POTJ) - 3 - I like this figure. On mine, unfortunately, one of the pegs connecting the head to the body broke off, so I have to display it with the head on the ground. I think this is the only Dagobah Vader to have the Luke face, and no weird muddy cape, so it's the best version.
2. Darth Vader (2000 POTJ Masters of the Dark Side) - 2 - He looks good in a variety of scenes. His arms are a little odd without the elbow articulation, and the plastic inner cape (but not outer cape . . . weird) prevents him from sitting in ships or whatever.
3. Darth Vader (Emperor's Wrath) (2001 POTJ) - 3 - It's a really good sculpt, which is why it's been used so many times since then. This is probably the better of the Emperor's Wrath Vaders, since his hand comes off at the right place and the lightning looks really cool but not overdone.
4. Darth Vader (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - For what he is - a preposed statue - he works well. There are just so many other, better Vaders.

Saga
5. Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) (2002 Saga #30) - 2 - It's always bugged me that this is an ANH Vader (look at the inner cape over the armor) but supposed to be from the iconic ESB scene. The accessories are cool, and you might not notice the inaccuracy if it's on a shelf.
6. Darth Vader (Silver) (2002 Silver Anniversary Toy Fair/Fan Club Exclusive) - 2 - It's an interesting piece but not essential. I won mine in the Jedi Master Points online auctions and still have it carded. I love the look of the lightsaber . . . I'd like to see a red vac-metal protocol droid or something that looks like this.
7. Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) (2003 Saga #18) - 1 - The eyebrows are now outdated, but that's the least of this figure's worries. The helmet and cape fly off every time you use the action feature . . . no thanks. It looks pretty good, though.
8. Darth Vader (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) - 2 - I like it, but it's pretty middle-of-the-road now. It was better several years ago.

Snowtrooper
05-16-2009, 08:51 PM
OTC/VOTC
1. Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC29darthvaderhoth.asp) 1
2. Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04silvervader.asp) 0
3. Darth Vader (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vdarthvader.asp) 3
4. Darth Vader (2005 Special E (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw05vader500.asp)dition 500th Figure) 3
5. Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) (http://www.rebelscum.com/otcHolidayVader.asp) 0

ROTS
6. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05vaderlava.asp) 0
7. Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0511vader.asp) 2
8. Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05dlxvader.asp) 3
9. Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05dlxanakin.asp) 1
10. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05c3vader.asp) 2
11. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swevol_AS-DV.asp) 4
12. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPrebelvsempire.asp) 1

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-17-2009, 02:56 PM
OTC/VOTC
1. Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) - 2 - I don't actually have this one, but I think it would be fine for Hoth scenes.
2. Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) - 2 - Eh, it's nowhere as cool looking as the first one, but it's alright in its own right
3. Darth Vader (2004 VOTC) - 3 - He's a bit skinny, but still really good. Good thing there are more than enough ways to get this one. For the record, this one's also in the Grand Admiral Trachta comic pack, but I don't have that one.
4. Darth Vader (2005 Special Edition 500th Figure) - 3 - Looks about as good as the VOTC one.
5. Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) - 1 - I'll give it a 1 due to the kitschy nature of it. It's pretty ridiculous.

ROTS
6. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) - 1 - See the Holiday Vader . . . it looks pretty interesting, and I had fun getting two of these at the Target morning release of ROTS figures, but it's not a great figure.
7. Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11) - 2 - It works in certain circumstances; I have mine reenacting the "NOOOOO" scene, and I think another in his starfighter, since it works well in ships.
8. Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) - 3 - I doubt they'll redo this, and he looks good once all the armor is on and he's up on the operating table. It's very scene specific but it works for what it's supposed to do.
9. Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) - 1 - It's fairly fun, but not accurate for any purpose.
10. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) - 2 - It's a fun novelty figure and brings good memories with it (as well as the memory of waiting in line for about eight hours to get it).
11. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) - 4 - I love this one. I wish the right hand could hold the saber and be removed at the proper place, but it's still great.
12. Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) - 1 - Outdated for its time and just weird now. I don't have this set but I don't feel like I'm missing much.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-18-2009, 12:03 AM
I'm kind of tired from traveling all day, so I'll try and get around to posting the final group of Vader's tomorrow. I'm just trying to get caught up on e-mails tonight (most of which are thread notifications for this site).

Mad Slanted Powers
05-18-2009, 09:44 PM
Okay, here is the last batch of Vaders. Let me know if there are any that I haven't covered. Go ahead and rate these from 0-4.

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

TSC
1. Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC013vader.asp) - based on 500th figure, removable dome
2. Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc038vader.asp) - based on 500th figure, helmet glued on, crate accesories
.....Darth Vader (2007 TAC Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLvader.asp) - repack of TSC #038 withoutaccessories
.....Darth Vader (2008 TLC SL #13) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLvader.asp) - repack of TSC #038 without accessories
.....Darth Vader & Grand Moff Trachta (2008 TLC Comic Pack #10) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLvader.asp) - repack of TSC #038 without accessories
3. Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc045vader.asp) - POTJ Emperor's Wrath with lightning affect and new arm
4. Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiIV.asp) - based on Evolutions with Hayden head
.....Darth Vader (2007 30th Anniversary #016) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC16vader.asp) - repaint of 2006 TAC tin set, Obi-Wan cloak base
.....Darth Vader (2008 TLC Crimson Empire Crucible Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcEXCrucible.asp) - repack of 2006 TAC tin set

TAC
5. Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC28McVader.asp)
6. Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC48vader.asp) - base on POTJ Emperor's Wrath
7. Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC0812vader.asp) - from The Force Unleashed
8. Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacOrder663.asp) - Evolutions without removable helmet
9. Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks02.asp) - POTF2 Commtech repaint (2 paint variations)
10. Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks09.asp)
11. Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp) - repaint of 2004 Silver Saga Edition

TLC
12. Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC08Vader.asp) - Evolutions with 2 piece removable helmet
13 .Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCcomicpacks11.asp) - white VOTC repaint

There is also Darth Vader (Legacy Tin Collection ESB) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SDCC08/hasbro/presentation/image47.asp), but it's probably just a repack anyway.

sebillba
05-19-2009, 08:54 AM
TSC
Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC013vader.asp) - based on 500th figure, removable dome
Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC013vader.asp) - based on 500th figure, helmet glued on, crate accesories

I'll rate these later, but just thought I'd mention these both have the same link - the second one should be:
Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc038vader.asp)

Mad Slanted Powers
05-19-2009, 09:50 AM
I'll rate these later, but just thought I'd mention these both have the same link - the second one should be:
Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc038vader.asp)Okay, I fixed it.

sebillba
05-19-2009, 10:39 AM
Sorry, just noticed another one...


Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04silvervader.asp) - repaint of 2004 Silver Saga Edition

should be:

Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp)

DarkJedi5
05-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Sebillba beat me to it.

DarkJedi5
05-19-2009, 11:52 AM
TSC
Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) – 2 – I know I gave the original 500th Vader a 3 and this figure is no worse but it looses a point for being just a repaint.
Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) – 3 – Here I buck convention and rate this one higher than it should be because it is a simple repaint. I just really liked that they painted some battle damage on the shoulder, made it more scene specific for me.
Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) – 0 – If you own the first Emperor’s Wrath Vader there’s no reason to get this (and I never did). The arm is inaccurate, the head isn’t as cool and the electricity effect is just plain dumb.
Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) – 3 – I’ll give it a 3 cause it’s just as good as the first and unique enough to justify it but why did this one come in the tin when it should have been in the evo set and vice versa, a Sebastian Shaw head would have been better here.

TAC
Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28) – 4 – This is an incredible figure. It captures the sketches perfectly and the interchangeable heads make far a terrific feature.
Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) – 1 – This is not a good figure. However, because Vader appears once in ESB (though at a smaller size) as a holo character this one isn’t the dumbest holo figure ever. Also, I bought it because as a kid I used to imagine Vader contracting out Boba Fett’s services and so I always wanted a holo Vader, this was just a decade too late.
Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) – 2 – I didn’t buy much of the TFU stuff. I bought Juno as a dio filler, the Shadow guard to complement my other shadow forces, the apprentice evo set despite it not being very well done, an EVO trooper repack to finish of a build-a-droid (the trooper is available for trade…) and this Vader. I was hoping to use it for a Purge dio but the Shaw face makes it less appropriate than a Christensen one would have been.
Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) – 2 – Rerelease that has fewer features and still can’t hold a lightsaber all that well.
Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) – 0 – Nothing redeeming about this figure.
Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09) – 1 – It’s fine for what it is but this is probably one of the most disappointing comic packs ever.
Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) – 0 – How does a spirit get dirty? I guess it’s all in Luke’s head so he can justify it seeing as how Vader would have trekked through the swamp to get to the cave but I don’t remember him being translucent either. No way this one is anywhere near as good as the original release with removable faceplate.

TLC
Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) – 3 – The best Vader to date but still not perfect. The two piece helmet takes it farther than we’ve been before but I don’t ever remember Vader holding his lightsaber in his left hand. And Vader does fight one handed often enough to require figures to be capable of holding things with just the right!
Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) – 2 – Meh, not the sculpt with the bet articulation but I really liked the idea here. Just a thought though: why does Vader have his old lightsaber? It was lost when his hand was severed and if he were to rebuild it, I assume it would look more like Anakin’s and probably not have a red blade.

sebillba
05-19-2009, 05:09 PM
TSC
Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) – 3 – it's basically the 500th again, so I'll give it the same score, even though I didn't bother to buy it. But I'm not really sure what makes this a Hoth Vader - he doesn't even have any snow on his boots!
Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) – 2 – I ignored this one as well. I can't see the point of using a removable helmet sculpt, then gluing the helmet on!
Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) – 2 – I also prefer the previous Emperor's Wrath version, and am not a fan of the lightning effect, but I like the robotic arm reveal, even if it's not screen accurate.
Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) – 4 – it's the Evo version, but this time he can hold his saber in either hand. It's also nice to have the alternative Hayden head, even if it doesn't make sense in an Ep IV tin. Same with the TAC #16; the Obi-Wan cloak makes it very specific to ANH, so why the PT head?? However, that doesn't detract from this being a great figure.

TAC
Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28) – 3 – I love the McQ series, and this is an essential part of that set. Vader isn't as visually different as most of the other characters to their movie counterparts, but I guess that's credit to Ralph McQ for getting him bang on in the first place. The alternative heads are cool, even if they're not hugely different. Swivel elbows stopped me from giving a '4' - look how bad they looks here (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TAC/TAC28McVaderfront.jpg).
Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) – 1 – I always felt ripped off whenever I bought a holo figure, and I vowed this would be my last one (and so far it is). It's ok for what it is I suppose.
Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) – 2 – I only bought one TFU figure (Rahm Kota), I didn't even see most of them - I might've picked this up if I'd seen it, it looks quite interesting, but I don't really feel like I'm missing too much.
Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) – 3 – never bought this one either. It's the Evo Vader again, but loses a point for having the helmet glued on.
Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) – 1 – I don't particularly like this one, but have to admit it does kind of look like it's stepped out of the pages of a comic.
Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09) – 2 – Batman Vader is pretty cool, and the new head was a nice surprise. I don't think I even realised his chest plate was removable as well. No knees kept his from a higher rating.
Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) – 1 – Not a bad figure, but the POTJ version with Luke's face was far more interesting.

TLC
Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) – 4 – I'm sure this will be released again (and again, and again!) with a removable right saber-wielding hand, but this is good enough for me as it is. The definitive Vader.
Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) – 0 – I can accept a holo Vader, maybe a blue-tinted Vader, or even a silver Vader at a push, but a WHITE Vader, WTF??!! I'm sure it makes sense if you're into the comics, but this is really for hardcore EU fans only. Now I'm not anti-EU, I do buy some of it, if it's visually interesting, but I'm afraid this just looks ridiculous to me.

(Phew! It's good to get all the Vaders out of the way at last! Especially since I lost this post halfway though and had to start again!)

Mad Slanted Powers
05-19-2009, 07:58 PM
Okay, I made those two corrections, and added numbers like I have used in the previous groups. Thanks for pointing that out.

Qui-Long Gone
05-21-2009, 09:15 PM
TSC
1TLC
12. Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC08Vader.asp) - Evolutions with 2 piece removable helmet
13 .Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCcomicpacks11.asp) - white VOTC repaint

There is also Darth Vader (Legacy Tin Collection ESB) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SDCC08/hasbro/presentation/image47.asp), but it's probably just a repack anyway.

I vote Vader 2008 TLC BD #08 BEST VADER EVAR....only because it's got everything, articulation, removable helms, oldman Skywalker face with detailed breather!

Great Figure!!!! Definitive Vader for sure.:thumbsup:

Mad Slanted Powers
05-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Finally had a chance to get caught up here. I'll post the rest of my Vader votes tonight or tommorow. We've only had a couple votes on the latest round of Vaders so far. If we get caught up on that this weekend, then we can move on to Han.

OTC/VOTC
Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) – 1 – I'll give this one a 1 just because of the snow.
Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) – 0 – I like the sculpt better than the previous silver figure, but I liked the look of that silver figure better. Either way, no big deal here.
Darth Vader (2004 VOTC) – 3 – A great figure, but has been done better since then.
Darth Vader (2005 Special Edition 500th Figure) – 3 – I'm tempted to give this a lower score, but it has the removable dome, which the VOTC does not. It also has the meditation chamber. However, I wish the chamber was not just half of one, or that you could see the figure better when in the package. If this is the same as the later TSC figure, then it also has the problem that the helmet doesn't stay on.
Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) – 0 – This was the only Holiday figure I didn't get. They should have done something more with it than just paint it red.

ROTS
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) – 0 – I think it actually looks kind of cool, but the old sculpt combined with not being from the movie make it not worth getting (even though I did get to Target that morning and got one).
Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11) – 1 – I don't like this figure. This was a big step backwards for Vader figures. Still, it has some merit over other crappy figures.
Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) – 3 – This is one of the best ideas for a deluxe figure. Certainly better than all of those ridiculous Force flipping things and most of the AOTC deluxe figures. This one actually recreates an iconic scene from the movie.
Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) – 1 – I agree with previous assessments that it is neither a good Anakin nor a good Vader figure. However, it is a decent attempt to provide some play value and economic value into a deluxe package.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) – 1 – A nice display piece, and the sound thing might be cool, but otherwise it is pretty much just a figure we have seen before.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) – 3 – Another great Vader figure, but I won't give it a 4 since the newest one tops it.
Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) – 0 – Considering there isn't really much good in this battle pack, and this is just a kitbash of a couple older figures, this is an easy pass.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-24-2009, 11:13 PM
TSC
Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) – 2 – I'll just give this one a two. I didn't like how the helmet doesn't stay on. Better to just get the original version so as to have the chamber.
Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) – 3 – I actually liked this better than #013 since I didn't have to worry about the helmet not staying on. I'd say it is about as good as the VOTC.
Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) – 2 – I like the head better on the original, but this one has the additional feature of the robotic arm.
Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) – 4 – I guess I'll give it a 4 even though it doesn't have the two-piece helmet of the TLC version. However, it does have the better right hand, and this would be the best version with Hayden's head, even if that doesn't make sense for the OT.

TAC
Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28) – 3 – Another great concept figure.
Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) – 1 – The Commtech version would have been a better choice on which to base a holographic figure.
Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) – 3 – Not really an essential Vader, so I'm tempted to give it a 2, but it's an interesting EU figure.
Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) – 3 – Nothing much new here, but still a solid figure.
Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) – 2 – It seems that only these Marvel comics are actually done in the comic styling, and this Vader does a good job of capturing that look. If they had to use an old sculpt, this was an okay choice.
Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09) – 2 – Another interesting EU figure, but from a non-canon story.
Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) – 0 – Without the removable face plate, this is just an inferior repaint of the POTJ figure

TLC
Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) – 4 – Only the hand probably keeps it from being perfect. This figure also seems taller to me, and thus a more intimidating Vader.
Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) – 2 – This is from an Infinities story, so I can accept that the figure is white. I've only read the ANH Infinities so far, so I'm not sure why he is white here. I think this looks kind of cool, though.

So, that's all the Vaders. A couple regulars haven't voted yet. Tomorrow night I'll post the results so far and introduce the Han figures.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-26-2009, 01:14 AM
Here are the results so far for Darth Vader. Once again, I've highlighted in blue the ones with an average rating of 3 or more. You can still rate these if you haven't yet. However, I'll be moving on to the Han Solo figures shortly.


POTF2
1.83 (6 votes).....Darth Vader with Interrogation Droid (1999 POTF2 Commtech)
1.67 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (w/ removable helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame)
1.17 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1978 Vintage)
1.17 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Flashback)
1.00 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Complete Galaxy) - with removable dome
0.50 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1995 POTF2)
0.33 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) - body from POTF2 removable helmet version, head from POTF 2 Complete Galaxy version
0.17 (6 votes).....TIE Fighter with Darth Vader (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station)
0.17 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene)
0.17 (6 votes).....Darth Vader (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X)

POTJ
2.60 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Dagobah) (2000 POTJ) - Detachable head, removable faceplate with Luke's face
2.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Emperor's Wrath) (2001 POTJ) - lightning skull head
1.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2000 POTJ Masters of the Dark Side) - with Darth Maul
1.20 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - with Ben Kenobi

Saga
2.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Bespin Duel) (2002 Saga #30) - slashing attack, Bespin walkway parts
1.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) - based on POTJ Emperor's Wrath, regular head this time
1.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Throne Room Duel) (2003 Saga #18) - removable helmet, lightsaber throwing action
0.60 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Silver) (2002 Silver Anniversary Toy Fair/Fan Club Exclusive) - silver, based on POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene

OTC/VOTC
3.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2005 Special Edition 500th Figure) - based on VOTC, with removable dome, meditationchamber
3.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2004 VOTC)
1.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2004 OTC #29) - Hoth repaint of 2003 Imperial Forces Battle Pack figure
0.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2004 Silver Saga Edition) - silver repaint of POTJ Dagobah with POTJ Emperor's Wrath head
0.20 (5 votes).....Holiday Darth Vader (2005 Holiday Edition) - red repaint based on POTJ Emperor's wrath

ROTS
3.60 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader Evolutions) - SA and removable helmet
2.80 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Rebuild Darth Vader!) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) - with operating table
1.80 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Lightsaber Attack!) (2005 ROTS #11)
1.20 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Celebration III Exclusive) - based on POTJ 25th Anniversary, display base with voice chip
0.80 (5 votes).....Anakin Skywalker (Changes to Darth Vader) (2005 ROTS Deluxe) - Vader armor fits over Anakin figure
0.60 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) - kitbashed Saga 2002 #30 & Saga 2003 #18
0.20 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2005 ROTS Target Exclusive) - lava reflection, based on POTF2 Final Jedi Duel Cinema Scene

TSC
3.67 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) - based on Evolutions with Hayden head
2.67 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) - based on 500th figure, helmet glued on, crate accesories
2.33 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) - based on 500th figure, removable dome
1.33 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) - POTJ Emperor's Wrath with lightning affect and new arm

TAC
3.33 (3 votes).....Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28)
2.67 (3 votes).....Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) - Evolutions without removable helmet
2.33 (3 votes).....Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) - from The Force Unleashed
1.67 (3 votes).....Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09)
1.00 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) - base on POTJ Emperor's Wrath
1.00 (3 votes).....Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) - POTF2 Commtech repaint (2 paint variations)
0.33 (3 votes).....Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) - repaint of 2004 Silver Saga Edition

TLC
3.67 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) - Evolutions with 2 piece removable helmet
1.33 (3 votes).....Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) - white VOTC repaint

Mad Slanted Powers
05-26-2009, 01:54 AM
Okay, now on to Han Solo. Please rank only the numbered figures below according to the following scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

Let me know if I'm missing any Han figures of his basic ANH outfit. Also let me know if you think one of the non-numbered ones warrants being considered unique, or if one of the numbered ones shouldn't be.

ANH
1. Han Solo (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtHan.asp)
2. Han Solo (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2hansolo.asp)
3. Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CThancantina.asp)
.....Han Solo (Flight to Alderaan) (Saga 2003 #27) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0327hansolo.asp)- repack of Commtech figure
.....Han Solo (Flight to Alderaan) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFhan.asp) - repack of Commtech figure
.....Han Solo (2004 OTC #07) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC07hansolo.asp) - repack of Commtech figure
.....Han Solo (Mos Eisley Escape) (2005 POTC #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC05hansoloMEE.asp) - repack of Commtech figure
.....Han Solo (2004 OTC C-3PO Carrying Case) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCcarrycaseC3PO.asp)- repack of Commtech figure
4. Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2beasthan1.asp)
5. Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gshan.asp)
6. Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2cdhan.asp)
7. Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTJhansolodse.asp)
8. Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thhanchewie.asp)
9. Han Solo (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vhansolo.asp)
10. Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc035hansolo.asp)- Commtech repaint with new head
11. Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tac11hansolo.asp) - headset and gloves
.....Han Solo (2008 TLC Millennium Falcon) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcBMF.asp) - repack of TAC #11

I'm also wondering if you think I should move on to Luke after this, or if I should do all the Han figures first (Hoth, Endor, Bespin, etc.).

DarkJedi5
05-26-2009, 03:13 AM
I'll vote on Han tomorrow but I think we should get all the Hans out of the way and then move on to Luke.

Qui-Long Gone
05-26-2009, 09:38 AM
I'll vote on Han tomorrow but I think we should get all the Hans out of the way and then move on to Luke.

Do all the Hans first! And so...

Vintage 4...hey, it's the first Han!

All others 1-2...sigh

(Exception) VOTC Solo 3...the head isn't quite right otherwise a 4

sebillba
05-26-2009, 10:44 AM
I was going to suggest we move onto Luke next, but it seems I'm already outvoted! I just can't help feeling that some of the regulars have dropped off because they get bored of voting on the same character for too long. But hey, I'm happy to go with the flow.

I'll also vote later.

DarkJedi5
05-26-2009, 10:58 AM
I was going to suggest we move onto Luke next, but it seems I'm already outvoted! I just can't help feeling that some of the regulars have dropped off because they get bored of voting on the same character for too long. But hey, I'm happy to go with the flow.

I'll also vote later.

That's not a bad point. I have noticed that interest has flagged over here and that might be part of the problem. I might be willing to change my vote if the change would raise participation.

Snowtrooper
05-26-2009, 05:48 PM
I missed a few of the last rounds because this is a very busy time of year for me. I'm going to try to catch up hopefully over the next few days.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-26-2009, 11:04 PM
I think I'll do a slight compromise. I'll do the Stormtrooper Hans before moving on to Luke. There aren't too many. In fact, I'll add them to the list now.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2hanstorm.asp)
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2deathstarescape.asp)
Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc1.asp)
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks04.asp) - Stormtrooper disguise, comic shading (variation doesn't have blue on armor, but still has red on helmet)
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC31Han.asp) - based on TAC comic pack #4

So, after we rate these Hans, we will move on to ANH farm boy Luke.

sebillba
05-27-2009, 10:40 AM
ANH
1. Han Solo (1978 Vintage) - 2 - essential for a vintage collection, but not one of the best from the original line - it looks kind of cheap even by vintage standards, and neither head was that great - the first was too small, and the second too big with a worse likeness. I never even had this one as a kid - Bespin Han was my default Han in those days.
2. Han Solo (1995 POTF2) - 1 - obviously it's way outdated now, but it seemed like a really cool figure at the time, and gets a point for being the first Han in the modern line.
3. Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 3 - such a huge upgrade over previous Hans. I love this figure and bought two of them - one for my cantina, and one for general displays, and still have both on display today.
4. Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) - 1 - I actually prefer this one over the original release - he's a bit anaemic, but is less buff/posed, has extra detail on the back of his vest, and I prefer the molded arms to the painted arms of the first version.
5. Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) - 0 - I ignored this one for a long time, but eventually picked up all the gunner stations when I found them cheap. It's nothing particularly special - I guess it was nice to have a gloved Han, but I didn't like the molded on headset.
6. Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) - 1 - this one completly passed me by, but I've given it a point because it's a slight improvement over the GS verion, and it was the first Han to have knees.
7. Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) - 2 - I really like the headsculpt, but the pose is a bit wonky. It's still a nice figure though, and so far the only Han with a stormtrooper belt (though a new one has been confirmed by Hasbro).
8. Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - like all these 25th Anniversary figures, they look awesome when displayed with their counterparts, but don't really work that well as figures on their own. This one is no exception, and is little more than a statue. Also, I dislike how the neck is joined to the body.
9. Han Solo (2004 VOTC) - 4 - the best classic Han ever made - not perfect, but still a superb figure. The legs are maybe a little on the skinny side, and I would've preferred a separate vest - in that way, this was actually a step backwards from the Commtech. But even with these minor faults, this is still one of my favourite figures of all time.
10. Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) - 2 - the headsculpt is probably beter than the original Commtech figure, but the zombie eyes really detract from it, resulting in an inferior figure. Eyes may only be very tiny details, but they can really make or break a figure.
11. Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) - 3 - a step back from VOTC, as the ball joint elbows have been replaced by swivels. Also, it would've been better if the headset was removable. Still a huge improvement over the Gunner Station version.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-27-2009, 01:52 PM
Lemme backtrack here a bit . . .

TSC
1. Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) - 2 - This really is just the 500th figure, right?
2. Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) - 2
3. Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) - 2 - A step backward from the old one; the little red and blue pegs on his wrist broke off on mine, and his glove was removable at the wrong place, but it looks alright overall.
4. Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) - 4 - The best ANH Vader. It would have made more sense to have a Sebastian head, but whatever. It's the best choice for ANH, at least with his helmet on.

TAC
5. Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) - 3 - The helmets are a little off, even though there are two of them.
6. Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) - 2 - Unnecessary but cool.
7. Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) - 3 - There are some issues (like the giant foot) but overall he looks cool.
8. Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) - 3 - I prefer the removable helmet version, but this works.
9. Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) - 3 - Interesting and funky but nonessential.
10. Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09) - 2 - It's just weird, more than anything . . . it would have been better if they didn't mess up the head under the helmet.
11. Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) - 2 - Nothing great.

TLC
12. Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) - 4 - I'd still like one with a more accurate removable hand, but still great. It's nice to finally have the two-piece helmet.
13 .Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) - 3 - Eh, it's strikingly odd, in a good way.

bigbarada
05-27-2009, 03:39 PM
ANH
1. Han Solo (1978 Vintage) 3 (I'm surprised this isn't broken up into the initial 'small head' version and the later 'large head' version.)
2. Han Solo (1995 POTF2) 0 (a nice upgrade at the time, but the muscular stature really makes it useless nowadays)
3. Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) 1 (I must be the only person who thinks this figure is a little overrated. It was a good improvement over the 1995 figure, but I was never too impressed with it.)
4. Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) 1 (this was my default ANH Han for a long time until the Commtech version)
5. Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) 0
6. Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) 0
7. Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) 2 (the pose was a little silly, but I really liked the face sculpt on this figure)
8. Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) 1 (nice reproduction of the promotional photo, but pretty useless otherwise)
9. Han Solo (2004 VOTC) 4! (definitely the best Han Solo figure made so far! Sure his vest isn't removable, but I honestly didn't care.)
10. Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035)- Commtech repaint with new head 0 (I only bought this figure for the action stand)
11. Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) - headset and gloves 1 (his headsculpt is a little weird, and I don't like the articulation)

sebillba
05-27-2009, 06:33 PM
Stormtrooper Disguise
1. Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) - 1 - gets a point for being the very first Stormtrooper Han ever, but is very much part of the POTF2 era, and doesn't hold up well by today's standards.
2. Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1 - same as above, maybe very slightly better, as not quite such an extreme pose.
3. Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - another awesome display set, but not that great as an action figure in its own right.
4. Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - 2 - a much improved figure, with modern detail and articulation, but very annoying it was released in comic colours long before a movie accurate version. I guess the latter would be an easy custom, but I chose to pass on this one and wait for the inevitable realistic deco.
5. Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) - 4 - the definitive version of Han in Stormtrooper Disguise.

Snowtrooper
05-27-2009, 08:40 PM
TSC
1. Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC013vader.asp) 2
2. Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc038vader.asp) 2
3. Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc045vader.asp) 2
4. Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiIV.asp) 4

TAC
5. Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC28McVader.asp) 4
6. Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) 0
7. Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC0812vader.asp) 3
8. Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacOrder663.asp) 4
9. Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks02.asp) 1
10. Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks09.asp) 4
11. Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp) 2

TLC
12. Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC08Vader.asp) 4
13 .Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCcomicpacks11.asp) 3

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-27-2009, 09:12 PM
ANH
1. Han Solo (1978 Vintage) - 0
2. Han Solo (1995 POTF2) - 0
3. Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 2 - It had interesting leg and arm articulation for the scene, which was new at the time.
4. Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) - 0 - With the cruddy 1997 CGI having been replaced in this scene, and better Hans coming since then, there's no real reason to get this one anymore.
5. Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) - 1 - Eh, it's kinda fun.
6. Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) - 1 - See above.
7. Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) - 2 - I know they're doing a new version later this year or in 2010, so you've got options . . . this one's face is weird.
8. Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - It's a little goofy but displays well.
9. Han Solo (2004 VOTC) - 4 - He's a little too skinny, but it's as good as they've gotten with him yet.
10. Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) - 3 - The new head and paint makes it better.
11. Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) - 3 - If people are starting now, I'd advise to just get the Falcon, which includes this one. It's a step back from the VOTC version but the added stuff is cool.

Stormtrooper Disguise
*Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) - 1 - It's not too horribly out of place with the modern stuff, but it's not great, either.
*Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1
*Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - Good for the scene but nothing else. I know they wanted to re-release this; thankfully the scanning crew member won out instead.
*Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - 3 - Funky and bizarre, in a good way.
*Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) - 4 - As far as I'm concerned, they don't need to make another Stormtrooper Han, ever.

bigbarada
05-28-2009, 12:01 AM
Stormtrooper Disguise
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) 2 (like the vintage, he gets it on historical relevance alone)

Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene)0

Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene)0

Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - Stormtrooper disguise, 0

Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) - based on TAC comic pack #4 3 (still some minor problems, I've just never been too happy with the look of the removable Stormtrooper helmets and that Stormtrooper body is not perfect and could use better articulation in the hip area. Otherwise, I won't complain too much if this figure is never remade)

DarkJedi5
05-28-2009, 10:58 AM
ANH
Han Solo (1978 Vintage) – 1 – A one, just for being the first.
Han Solo (1995 POTF2) – 1 – I guess I’m just sentimental about my first Han Solo figure.
Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – This was a big Han Solo for me because he could finally sit in the Cantina and he had a working holster!
Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) – 0 – A real step backwards.
Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 0 – Until recently you could say that this was the only version we had but it has been overshadowed.
Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) – 0 – A kitbashed figure that still isn’t very good.
Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) – 2 – A lame pose and bad headsculpt holds this one back but it’s the only Han we have with the stormtrooper belt he wears after they escape from the trash compactor.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 3 – Compared to the rest of the 25th Anniversary figs, this one gets low marks because the likeness is off and the pose isn’t very useful.
Han Solo (2004 VOTC) – 4 – For my money this really is one of the better figures of all time despite what people may say about the legs.
Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) – 0 – Why would you buy this and not get the VOTC?
Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) – 3 – Much better than the remake, his big weakness is that when building dioramas there aren’t many places to put this figure.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) – 0 – Didn’t eat enough Froot Loops as a kid to get this one and so there’s no nostalgia factor here. The 1997 figure has a more neutral stance and is even less bulky.
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) – 0 – Better than the Froot Loops one but this wouldn’t even come close to blending in with modern stormtroopers so it gets the zero.
Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 3 – I like this one well enough inside its environment but it has no other applications outside of a trash compactor setting and the head sculpt is a little iffy.
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) – 0 – I know, let’s take a figure that could easily be made and that everyone wants and paint it funny so its completely undesirable!
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) – 4 – What initially looks like a great looking stormtrooper turns out to be a great Han as a stormtrooper! I think this one is a great figure.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-29-2009, 10:44 PM
ANH
Han Solo (1978 Vintage) – 1 – 1, as long as it isn't the big-head version. That thing looks weird. As a Han Solo figure, it doesn't really fit with the modern line, but it could still serve well as background or custom fodder.
Han Solo (1995 POTF2) – 0 – No real reason to get these steroid figures with so many better ones to choose from.
Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – This probably deserves better than a two, but I think I'll save that for the TSC one with a better head sculpt. Also, I never liked how the left arm sticks out, and there is no right elbow articulation. The shirt on mine, as well as on the POTJ Death Star Escape figure, seems a bit yellowish.
Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) – 1 – A bit better than the basic POTF2 figure, and you get it with a Jabba figure, even if it isn't the best Jabba.
Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 0 – Better to have the one from the CD-ROM Playset .
Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) – 1 – Looks much better than the gunner station figure.
Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) – 2 – It's not as good as the Commtech, but it is better than the ones I've given 1's and 0's to, and it is a good representation of that scene, even if it is preposed.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 2 – By itself, this isn't much, but these 25th Anniversary sets are nice display pieces.
Han Solo (2004 VOTC) – 4 – A great figure. The only improvement would be to make him less thin. I don't care about a removable vest, as we never saw him without it in ANH.
Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) – 3 – An improvement over the Commtech with a better head sculpt and whiter shirt.
Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) – 3 – Adding a removable headset and ball-jointed elbows might make this a 4.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) – 0 – He didn't even come with a weapon.
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) – 1 – Not as bulky and less preposed than the mail-away figure. In the box, the set looks okay.
Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 2 – Another nice looking set, but outside of that the figure isn't any good.
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) – 2 – Even with the comic coloring, it is still an improvement over the POTF2 era figures, but kind of pointless to get if you don't collect the comic packs now that we have the TLC version.
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) – 4 – I'm sort of hesitant to give this a 4 because of the way the torso articulation is visible. However, the figure has ankle articulation that does not interfere with the peg holes. That's a big thing for me, as I get annoyed by figures that don't fit on pegs.

Mad Slanted Powers
05-30-2009, 07:33 PM
Before we move on to Luke, I just wanted to run the list by everyone first to see if the agree with how I have it laid out. These were all the farmboy Lukes that I could find. Are there any I have missed? Should any of the indented items be considered a unique figure that we should rate? Should any of the non-indented items not be considered unique? Once we get this sorted out, we can go ahead and start rating the Luke figures.

ANH

Basic Outfit
Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLuke.asp)
.....Luke Skywalker (1995 Classic Edition 4-Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2classicedition4pack.asp)
Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2luke.asp)
.....Luke Skywalker (1997 Hong Kong Commerorative Edition Rebel Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2hongkonggood.asp) - with C-3PO and Leia repacks
Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2dlxluke.asp)
Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp)
Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukeblastshld.asp)
Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukefb.asp) - Floppy Hat
Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gsluke.asp)
Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTluket16.asp)
.....Luke Skywalker (2003 Saga #31) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0331lukete.asp) - repack of Commtech with lightsaber instead of original accessories
.....Luke Skywalker (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFluke.asp) - repack of 2003 Saga #31
.....Luke Skywalker (2004 OTC ANH CommemorativeTrilogy DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionANH.asp) - repack of 2003 Saga #31
.....Luke Skywalker (2004 OTC Millennium Falcon Crew) (http://www.rebelscum.com/otcMillenniumFalconCrew.asp) - multipack included with Sam's Club exclusive Millennium Falcon
.....Luke Skywalker (2006 TSC ANH Commemorative DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscANHdvd.asp) - repack of 2003 Saga #31
Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thlukeleia.asp)
Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagalandspeeder.asp)
Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vlukeskywalker.asp)
Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp)
Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc036luke.asp) - floppy hat, poncho, chest
.....Luke Skywalker (2008 TLC Training on the Falcon Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPMFTraining.asp) - 2006 Saga #36 without poncho or hat, but has blast shield and lightsaber
Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC18luke.asp) - with moisture vaporator

Snowtrooper
05-30-2009, 10:30 PM
ANH
Han Solo (1978 Vintage) 1
Han Solo (1995 POTF2) 0 -Possibly the worst of the roid era.
Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) 2 This was the best ANH Han for the longest time. But after umpteen releases and better resculpts, I'm glad to see it go.
Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) 0
Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) 0
Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) 0
Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) 1 Nothing to brag about. I skipped it after I saw it in person.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) 2 -One pose wonder, but not too bad for what its meant for.
Han Solo (2004 VOTC) 4 -The best ANH Han to date. I didn't mind the sculpt or the skinny legs.
Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) 0 -Lame retread of the commtech version.
Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) 3 -A little scene specific, but still a good figure.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) 1 Bought this online, so I didn't have to eat all the fruit loops. It was ok for its time, but looks really outdated now.
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) 0
Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) 2 -Its alright inside the trash compacter and thats about it. Standing on its own, it looks terrible.
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) 2 -I kind of liked the comic paint on it. You knew they were going to release this as a normal figure not too far down the road, though I didn't figure it would take 2 years.
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) 4 -Its great that they used the VOTC ST body, though they could have used the Evo Sandtrooper body and still have gotten a great figure. Not much room for improvement.

sebillba
05-31-2009, 02:08 AM
Before we move on to Luke, I just wanted to run the list by everyone first to see if the agree with how I have it laid out. These were all the farmboy Lukes that I could find. Are there any I have missed? Should any of the indented items be considered a unique figure that we should rate? Should any of the non-indented items not be considered unique? Once we get this sorted out, we can go ahead and start rating the Luke figures.

List looks good to me, I can't think of any you've missed.

Snowtrooper
05-31-2009, 11:28 PM
ANH

Basic Outfit
1. Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLuke.asp) 1
2. Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2luke.asp) 0
3. Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2dlxluke.asp) 0
4. Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp) 2 -The first non-steroid Luke of the modern era and it wasn't too bad. It stands up well even today.
5. Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukeblastshld.asp) 2
6. Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukefb.asp) - 2
7. Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gsluke.asp) 3 -The first figure to get Mark Hamill's likeness decent.
8. Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTluket16.asp) 2 -Better articulation than the flashback, but likeness was worse.
9. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thlukeleia.asp) 2 -Works fine when in the swinging pose, but goofy looking otherwise.
10. Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagalandspeeder.asp) 2
11. Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vlukeskywalker.asp) 3 -Disappointing as far as VOTC goes. Good articulation, but not so great head sculpt and the soft goods were terrible. I suppose its the best ANH Luke we've gotten thus far.
12. Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) 1 -Poor articulation and a lousy likeness. I didn't care for the way the lightsaber was done even though they were going for a vintage style on it.
13. Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc036luke.asp) 2 -It looked alright with the hat and poncho on and had a nice accessory. But its still a mediocre figure.
14. Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC18luke.asp) 2 -It was a decent farmer Luke until you got to the head sculpt which is pretty bad. The "windswept" hair look just doesn't work very well. The accessory, however, was excellent. It was almost worth buying the figure just for that.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-01-2009, 12:28 AM
Okay, since no one seems to object to the list I posted, and Snowtrooper has already posted his ratings, feel free to rank the following Lukes according to the usual scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time


ANH

Basic Outfit
1. Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLuke.asp)
2. Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2luke.asp)
3. Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2dlxluke.asp)
4. Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp)
5. Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukeblastshld.asp)
6. Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukefb.asp) - Floppy Hat
7. Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gsluke.asp)
8. Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTluket16.asp)
9. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thlukeleia.asp)
10. Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagalandspeeder.asp)
11. Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vlukeskywalker.asp)
12. Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp)
13. Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc036luke.asp) - floppy hat, poncho, chest
14. Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC18luke.asp) - with moisture vaporator[/QUOTE]

I'll post the Han rankings in a bit. Also, I'll have updates on the Vaders as a couple votes came in after I last posted the results.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-01-2009, 12:36 AM
1. Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) - 1 - It started the line, more or less, but it's outdated.
2. Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) - 1 - See above.
3. Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) - 0 - Just weird all around.
4. Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) - 2 - He has the molded binoculars, so that's something, I guess.
5. Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 2 - He's a bit tall by today's standards but he works.
6. Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - Floppy Hat - 2 - All the ones from this era are basically passable.
7. Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) - 2
8. Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 2
9. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 3
10. Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) - 2
11. Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) - 3 - He's kind of too short and the soft goods don't work 100%, but I appreciate the effort.
12. Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) - 3 - This is one of the best of the Tatooine Lukes, but it's still not great.
13. Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) - 3 - Probably the best version as of right now, but they could do better.
14. Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) - with moisture vaporator - 3 - Cool accessory, weird head.

They really need to just start from the ground up on this outfit, with super articulation and a good face sculpt. His shirt is a weird shape and soft goods might be the only way to accurately get that, but the VOTC version wasn't really correct. Hopefully they'll make a great version before the line ends.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-01-2009, 12:40 AM
Here are the updated results for the TSC/TAC/TLC Darth Vaders. Once again, I've highlighted in blue the ones with an average rating of 3 or more. You can still rate these if you haven't yet. However, I'll be moving on to the Han Solo figures shortly.


TSC
3.80 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) - based on Evolutions with Hayden head
2.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Bespin Confession) (2006 Saga Collection #038) - based on 500th figure, helmet glued on, crate accesories
2.20 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Battle of Hoth) (2006 Saga Collection #013) - based on 500th figure, removable dome
1.60 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Battle of Endor) (2006 Saga Collection #045) - POTJ Emperor's Wrath with lightning affect and new arm

TAC
3.40 (5 votes).....Concept Darth Vader (McQuarrie Signature Series) (207 30th Anniversary #28)
3.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader & Commander Bow (2007 TAC Order 66 Pack #3) - Evolutions without removable helmet
2.60 (5 votes).....Battle-Damaged Darth Vader (2008 30th Anniversary #12) - from The Force Unleashed
2.20 (5 votes).....Darth Vader & Princess Leia (2007 TAC Comic Pack #09)
1.40 (5 votes).....Darth Vader & Rebel Officer (2007 TAC Comic Pack #02) - POTF2 Commtech repaint (2 paint variations)
1.00 (5 votes).....Spirit of Darth Vader (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) - repaint of 2004 Silver Saga Edition
1.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (Hologram) (2007 30th Anniversary #048) - base on POTJ Emperor's Wrath

TLC
3.80 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2008 TLC BD #08) - Evolutions with 2 piece removable helmet
2.00 (5 votes).....Darth Vader (2008 TLC Comic Pack #11) - white VOTC repaint


And here are the results for Han Solo:

ANH
4.00 (6 votes).....Han Solo (2004 VOTC)
2.67 (6 votes).....Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) - headset and gloves
2.00 (6 votes).....Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary)
2.00 (6 votes).....Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech)
1.83 (6 votes).....Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ)
1.33 (6 votes).....Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) - Commtech repaint with new head
1.33 (6 votes).....Han Solo (1978 Vintage)
0.50 (6 votes).....Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt)
0.50 (6 votes).....Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset)
0.33 (6 votes).....Han Solo (1995 POTF2)
0.17 (6 votes).....Millennium Falcon with Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station)

Stormtrooper Disguise
3.83 (6 votes).....Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) - based on TAC comic pack #4
1.83 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene)
1.50 (6 votes).....Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - Stormtrooper disguise, comic shading
0.83 (6 votes).....Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive)
0.50 (6 votes).....Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene)


I'm surprised the TSC Han got such poor ratings. I thought it was an improved version of the Commtech figure, but I guess others didn't think so.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-01-2009, 12:47 AM
Snowtrooper, I just noticed that you didn't vote for the Flashback Floppy Hat Luke. Also, the reason your list only goes to 13 while mine goes to 14 is that you didn't number one of the figures, not that it makes any difference whether they are numbered or not.

DarkJedi5
06-01-2009, 02:01 PM
ANH

Basic Outfit
Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) – 1 – Never owned any of the vintage figures but always thought that the lightsaber up the arm feature was lame.
Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) – 1 – My first Luke but he is terrible.
Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) – 0 – There is no reason to buy this set, I knew that even as a 12 year old.
Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) – 0 – The first non-steroid Luke was nice then but it’s been retired from my collection for years.
Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 0 – The helmet with the blast shield is the only part of this figure I still use but you could get that in the recent battle pack.
Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 0 – Again, neat accessories and the added articulation was cool at the time but not so great any more.
Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 1 – Since we haven’t seen Luke with headset (yet) this figure is somewhat unique. But the aesthetics in now way fit in with modern figures.
Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 0 – Ooo a toy and a space can opener! That’s about all this figure brought to the table.
Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 2 – This is the only “farmboy” Luke we’ve got that has the white stormtrooper belt (unless you count the Milleneum Falcon gunner with the headset) which adds uniqueness and scene accuracy. The sculpt is good but not great.
Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) – 0 – I missed this one and while the Luke sucks the landspeeder was a big improvement over the POTF2 one (which I think was just the Vintage one re-released).
Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) – 2 – This figure is one of the reasons I’m always nervous about soft goods. Also the likeness is terrible but the detail and articulation in everything else is noteworthy.
Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) – 0 – Why? Why would you make such a terrible figure?
Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) – 0 – Nothing special for me. The chest is cool I guess but I skipped on this one.
Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) – 2 – A very cool pack in and great articulation cannot save a figure with a miserable headsculpt. Why in over 30 years have they never gotten this iconic and important figure right?

sebillba
06-01-2009, 05:22 PM
Great to see VOTC Han is the first figure to receive a perfect score!

Now, on to Luke....

1. Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) - 2 - an iconic figure - it may be fairly naiive, but that's part of its charm.
2. Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) - 0 - this one really typifies how bad the POTF2 era could be. Fine if you wanted a MOTU Prince Adam figure.
3. Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) - 0 - same as above, only worse.
4. Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) - 1 - a huge improvement over previous Lukes, but still very outdated.
5. Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1 - it's basically the POTD figure again, but without the binoculars.
6. Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - the top half is the best from this era - the elbows are basic, but better than nothing, or swivels, and the hands are so much better than just being painted on the ends of the arms. Unfortunately it still has no knees.
7. Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) - 1 - gets a point for its unique look, but I don't really like the sculpted on headset.
8. Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 3 - finally... a Luke with knees!!! Unfortunately the arms are a step backwards from the Flashback, but the swivels work ok for lightsaber action, just a shame it doesn't have separate wrist articulation as well. I've rated it highly, as it's still the best Luke we have, if you prefer the non-soft-goods option. I'd also go for the Saga repack, as it's better to get Luke with a lightsaber, rather than a spanner.
9. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 1- once again, a great display piece, but pretty useless on its own.
10. Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) - 2 - a nice looking set - I never got this, but wouldn't mind picking it up if the price was right - though more for the landspeeder than the figure.
11. Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) - 3 - I didn't much like this when it came out, but it's really grown on me. I would prefer a sculpted tunic, but I don't think the soft goods are that bad - the tailoring is actually very good quality for this scale - at least it's not just cut to shape, with fraying edges. It's a little big round the shoulders, and makes him look like he's got no neck, but apart from that, I really like this figure. I don't have a problem with the size, or the sculpt, and the articulation is top notch. It's a long way from perfect, especially when compared with VOTC Han or Chewie, so I can't give it a '4', but it's the best farmboy we've got so far.
12. Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) - 1 - the telescoping lightsaber is a nice nod to vintage, but there's not really much else going for it. It's also got a painted face, which is very poor in my book.
13. Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) - 2 - I was going to rate this a '3' as well, after all, it's the Commtech body, with a new, improved(?) head, and some cool accessories, but it shoud've been so much better after 7 years.
14. Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) - 1 - great upper body artculation, but no knees or ankles, and the headsculpt is terrible. I know Hasbro had to cut costs on the figure to include the vaporator, but I would've much rather had a perfect Luke after all these attempts, and leave out the vap altogether.

Snowtrooper
06-01-2009, 07:11 PM
Snowtrooper, I just noticed that you didn't vote for the Flashback Floppy Hat Luke. Also, the reason your list only goes to 13 while mine goes to 14 is that you didn't number one of the figures, not that it makes any difference whether they are numbered or not.


Took care of it. I'm getting over one of those summer colds, so my mind is a little draggy and I completely overlooked it. I edited it, so it should be ok now.

bigbarada
06-01-2009, 09:51 PM
ANH

Basic Outfit
1. Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLuke.asp) 3
2. Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2luke.asp) 0
3. Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2dlxluke.asp) 0
4. Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp) 0
5. Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukeblastshld.asp) 1
6. Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukefb.asp) - Floppy Hat 1
7. Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2gsluke.asp) 0
8. Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTluket16.asp) 1
9. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thlukeleia.asp) 1
10. Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagalandspeeder.asp) 0
11. Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vlukeskywalker.asp) 3 (lots of problems but still the best basic Luke to date, and I'm not extremely bothered by the soft goods either)
12. Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) 0
13. Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc036luke.asp) - floppy hat, poncho, chest 0
14. Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC18luke.asp) - with moisture vaporator 0

Qui-Long Gone
06-02-2009, 02:01 PM
I'm curious is there is a Luke that will ever score a 4?

I put most of them between 1-2.5, so I haven't scored them. In general, they are all horrible.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-02-2009, 07:31 PM
1. Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) - 1 - I'll give it a 1 just because it is better than the POTF2 figure.
2. Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) - 0 - I echo exactly what sebilba said. Also, we get an odd weapon with it too.
3. Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) - 0 - Second verse, same as the first.
4. Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) - 1 - At last an improvement, but still not much articulation.
5. Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1 - the offset legs seem to make it a little tippy. The Purchase of the Droids one looks to be the same way. Blast shield is a cool addition.
6. Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - Added articulation, but the hinged elbows don't look the best.
7. Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) - 1 - This looks to have a better pose than the blast shield version, and it's the only one with a headset. I'm tempted to rate it higher, but can't do it.
8. Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 2 - In many ways, better than the flashback version, but still not good enough for me to give it a 3. Cool T-16 model though.
9. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - Another nice display piece. Otherwise, I'd rate it lower.
10. Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) - 2 - Appears to be the flashback repainted. Get it for the Landspeeder.
11. Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) - 3 - Excellent articulation, but kind of a fail on the soft goods. Face is a bit off too. If the material had been more like VOTC Leia's, it might have worked better.
12. Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) - 1 - I'd say it's a better figure than the vintage, as it has ball jointed shoulders. That's the only added articulation it has, and it loses points for having too dark of a shirt.
13. Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) - 2 - The accessories almost make this a 3, but it is just the Commtech with a worse head
14. Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) - 2 - If it had knees and a better head, this could almost be the best Luke to date. The shirt is still a little too dark perhaps as well. Get this figure for the vaporator.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-03-2009, 09:56 PM
Here are the ratings for Luke. These scores illustrate how much we still need a definitive farmboy Luke. VOTC is the clear favorite, but not everyone was willing to give it a 3.

ANH

Basic Outfit
2.83 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC)
1.83 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary)
1.67 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech)
1.67 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) - with moisture vaporator
1.50 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage)
1.50 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) - floppy hat, poncho, chest
1.33 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder)
1.33 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - Floppy Hat
1.33 (6 votes).....Millennium Falcon with Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station)
1.17 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame)
1.00 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene)
1.00 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit)
0.33 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2)
0.00 (6 votes).....Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe)


Next up will be Princess Leia.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-03-2009, 10:09 PM
Next on the list is Princess Leia. In addition to the basic ANH Leia, I'm going to include the Yavin Ceremony and the holographic Leia as well. Let me know if I've missed anything relating to either of these representations of the character.

So, once again, rate the numbered figures according to the following scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time


Princess Leia

ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLeia.asp)
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia.asp)
.....Princess Leia (1997 Hong Kong Commerorative Edition Rebel Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2hongkonggood.asp) - with C-3PO and Luke repacks
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia-anh.asp)
4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leianewlike.asp)
.....Princess Leia Organa (Imperial Captive) (2003 Saga #26) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0326leiaic.asp) - repack of 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame
.....Princess Leia Organa (Death Star Captive) (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFleia.asp) - repack of 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame
.....Princess Leia Organa (2004 OTC #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC09princessleia.asp) - repack of 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTleia.asp)
6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thlukeleia.asp)
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc2.asp)
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vprincessleia.asp)
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp)
.....Princess Leia (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiIV.asp) - Early Bird Kit repack

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia-ceremonial.asp) - Yavin ceremony dress
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leiaceremonial.asp)

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05hololeia.asp) - uses 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame mold

DarkJedi5
06-04-2009, 09:44 AM
What about finishing the ANH Lukes with Yavin ceremony, X-Wing pilot, and Stormtrooper Luke? We voted on Stormtrooper Han and we'll be voting on Yavin Leia this round so why not all the Lukes at once?

Mad Slanted Powers
06-04-2009, 10:16 AM
What about finishing the ANH Lukes with Yavin ceremony, X-Wing pilot, and Stormtrooper Luke? We voted on Stormtrooper Han and we'll be voting on Yavin Leia this round so why not all the Lukes at once?

I think I'll post those after the Leias. We'll go ahead and do the Leias first since I already have them ready and posted. I'm going to be gone for the weekend, so it will be easier for me to post the Lukes when I get back as opposed to doing the next figure - R2-D2.

So, go ahead and vote for the Leias now, and I'll have the remaining ANH Lukes posted on Sunday night (barring any travel delays). Then next week we shall move on to Artoo.

sebillba
06-04-2009, 01:14 PM
I was just about to start my ratings when I noticed you've missed out Vintage (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLeia.asp), which is one of the best ever Leias IMO.

sebillba
06-04-2009, 02:25 PM
Ok, I've gone ahead with my ratings anyway... I've added the vintage, and moved all the other numbers down one.

ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) - 3 - it may be over 30 years old, but it still stands as one of the best classic Leias ever. The sculpt is really nice, and manages to be suitably feminine, without being doll-like.
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) - 0 - shame we can't give out minus scores - this is possibly the worst SW figure of all time. (Made even worse by the fact I had to pay £25 to get one, and it's now a worthless figure that can be regularly found in bargain bins.)
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 2 - a vast improvement, still a little buff under the soft goods, but she looks ok with the dress on. The make-up is also a bit heavy. I can't help feeling this series was aimed more at little girls than regular SW fans/collectors (she doesn't even pack a blaster!).
4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 2- again, much better than the '95 figure, and feels more like a proper action figure than the PLC dolly. Still a little pre-posed, and outdated by today's standards.
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) - 1 - not one of my favourite Leias. It's very scene specific, and I don't like the soft goods or the painted face. While it is important to have a Leia with her hood up, I would prefer a separately sculpted, removable hood.
6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 1 - as with all these sets, it looks great in the package, not so great on its own.
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 1 - as above.
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) - 3 - the only modern Leia as good as the vintage. Ok, it's better. A very nice figure, updated articulation, the soft goods work ok, and it's a nice, delicate sculpt. Some may complain the neck is too long, but it doesn't really bother me. The only thing that stopped me rating it as a '4' is the swivel elbows - a head swap with the new ESB Leia is an easy fix for this, but as that's not an official release (yet) it doesn't count.
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) - 2 - the best hood-up Leia, but I would still prefer a removable hood, and a flesh-molded face. Incidentally, the TAC Tin version wasn't a straight repack, the belt was repainted with more detail, but it's not really worth rating it as a separate figure.

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 2 - see comments for #4
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - I've rated these the same, as I find it hard to choose between them. The PLC one probably looks nicer, but I've always displayed this one instead, partly because it's less doll-like, but also because I used to be more anti-soft goods.

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) - 0 - I don't like holo figures, and this one is posed to hold a gun, but doesn't come with any accessory.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-04-2009, 06:19 PM
Ah yes, thanks for that. I keep forgetting to put those in. When making the lists, I've been using with the web pages I had started making a while back. I was only putting modern figures on those. So, as I get to each character, I start with the list I have, which had gone through POTF2, and then continue on from there, forgetting to go back and put in the vintage. I've added it to my post now.

Qui-Long Gone
06-05-2009, 02:40 PM
ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLeia.asp) 4, Vintage is vintage, so I give all vintage figures a fond-memory default of 4

2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia.asp) 0.00000 Actually this could be a 4 for being amazingly horrible beyond horrible.

3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia-anh.asp) 2, a step up from 95

4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leianewlike.asp) 3, a step up from 97
.....Princess Leia Organa (Imperial Captive) (2003 Saga #26) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0326leiaic.asp) - repack of 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame NA, repacks shouldn’t score in this thread…

.....Princess Leia Organa (Death Star Captive) (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFleia.asp) - repack of 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame NA, see above

.....Princess Leia Organa (2004 OTC #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC09princessleia.asp) - repack of 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame NA

5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTleia.asp) 1, sigh

6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potj25thlukeleia.asp) 0, not as horrible as 95, but a useless figure

7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc2.asp) 0, see above

8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vprincessleia.asp) 2, good potential but a freaky figure in the shoulder, neck, face, body, everything.

9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) 1, for having freakish Seinfeld man-hands

.....Princess Leia (2006 TAC Episode IV Commemorative Tin Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACtinepisodeiIV.asp) - Early Bird Kit repack NA

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia-ceremonial.asp) - Yavin ceremony dress 2, not too bad, but not too good…if only her body wasn’t so butch

11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leiaceremonial.asp) 2, same as above

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05hololeia.asp) - uses 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame mold 0, why anyone wants these holographics is beyond me.

bigbarada
06-06-2009, 12:53 AM
ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) 3 - gets a nod for being the first
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) 0
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) 2 - this is a passable figure of Leia, just too tall.
4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) 0
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) 1 - if you just absolutely must recreate that early ANH scene, then this one will do fine.
6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) 1
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) 1
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) 3 - the only thing keeping this from being a 4 is the swivel elbows, otherwise I loved this figure and never understood all the hate that it gets.
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) 1 - same as the Commtech figure.

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) 1 - a good placeholder until Hasbro gets around to making a better version
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) 0

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) 0

Snowtrooper
06-06-2009, 12:52 PM
ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) 2 -Not too bad even when compared to the rest of these.
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) 0 -Monkey man. Nuff said.
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) 1
4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) 1 -Still a bit monkeyish, but much improved.
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) 2 -The first in the modern line to actually look feminine and not like a man in drag.
6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) 1 -Good in the set, but worthless otherwise.
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) 2 -Also good in the set but oddlooking outside of it. She also looks like she piled on the lipstick.
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) 3 -I thought it had a pretty good likeness and the softgoods on mine weren't too bad. I've seen worse. Balljointed elbows would have been nice and maybe a little shorter neck would have made this the perfect Leia.
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) 3 -This is my favorite ANH. It has a nice sculpt with a pretty decent likeness and is the only hood-up version I have. Its far from perfect, though. The arm articulation is poor and maybe having a ball jointed waist would be nice too.

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) 2 -Its better than the flashback version, but not by much. The head just doesn't look very good.
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) 1 -Suffers from steroids like so many POTF2 figures. I really don't like the face.

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) 0

Mad Slanted Powers
06-08-2009, 01:17 AM
Well, I finally got around to looking at this tonight, but I'm a bit tired from the return trip home, so I will not post anything new tonight. Plus, there are still a couple people who haven't voted for the Leia's yet (me being one of them). So, tomorrow I shall post my Leia votes and then post the Luke Stormtrooper and Yavin Ceremony figures.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-08-2009, 01:28 AM
I changed my mind and went ahead and did it anyway. Here are the next figures to rate, remaining Luke figures from ANH. Vote on the following figures according to the usual scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time


Yavin Ceremony
1. Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukecerem.asp)
2. Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia-ceremonial.asp)
3. Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tac12lukeyavin.asp)

Stormtrooper Disguise
4. Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLukestormtrooper.asp)
5. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2lukestorm.asp)
6. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2deathstarescape.asp)
7. Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2bg-deathstar.asp)
8. Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw02dstc1.asp)
9. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks06.asp) - Stormtrooper disguise, comic shading (variation doesn't have blue on armor, but still has red on helmet)
10. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC30Luke.asp) - based on TAC comic pack #6

sebillba
06-08-2009, 01:56 AM
There's also a stormie Luke in the vintage line: http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLukestormtrooper.asp

Mad Slanted Powers
06-08-2009, 02:09 AM
There's also a stormie Luke in the vintage line: http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtLukestormtrooper.asp

Well, crap in a can. I forgot about that again. It has now been added. Thanks for pointing it out.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-08-2009, 02:00 PM
ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) - 1
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) - 0
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 2
4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 2
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) - 2
6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 3
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) - 3 - It looks too much like a doll, but it's pretty good.
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) - 3 - A bit preposed, but nice.

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 2
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2 - Neither one is really better, and they should do a new one.

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) - 1 - Cool but pointless, as she never appeared as a full-body hologram, or as one with her hood down.

sebillba
06-08-2009, 04:16 PM
Yavin Ceremony
1. Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) - 2 - basic articulation, but looks pretty good. I still like this figure a lot, and couldn't bring myself to retire it, even after I got the TAC version.
2. Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 1 - not bad, the soft goods jacket is quite nice, but it doesn't really compare to the other two here.
3. Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) - 3 - a great figure from the neck down (my only nitpick being the pattern on the sleeves stops at the elbow, when it should go all the way down), but the head is pretty terrible... the sculpt looks ok enough, but it's let down by the anaemic colour and the cowpat hair.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Not much to say here, as most of my comments would be pretty much the same as for Han in Stormtrooper Disguise.
4. Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) - 2 - gets props for being a revolutionary figure, but the little fat peahead looks a bit stupid.
5. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) - 1
6. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 0 - not as good as the '96 version thanks to the overly posed arms.
7. Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) - 1
8. Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 1
9. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) - 2
10. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) - 4

Mad Slanted Powers
06-08-2009, 10:43 PM
ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) - 1 - A decent figure, but the vinyl cape doesn't capture the way her gown should look.
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) - 0 - Haven't opened this, but it looks like she probably would have trouble standing, as if the figure didn't have enough problems already.
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 1 - I like the look of this figure. It's a vast improvement over the first POTF2 figure. However, I can't get her to stand on her own very well. Articulation is still limited. Also, the hood doesn't work in the up position. It seems inside out.
4. Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 2 - Quite often, the skirt or gown on female figures seems really limiting when it is sculpted plastic. This has some clearance above the ankles. Kind of got tired of this sculpt being reused so often, though.
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) - 2 - I've always really liked this figure. It is rather limited in articulation, but I like the mix of sculpted plastic with the soft goods. Probably the best hood up Leia. I'm tempted to give it a 3, as I like it better than some of the 2's, but it's not quite that good. Sometimes I have trouble getting her to hold her gun, and her articulation is still limited.
6. Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2 - I've been giving everything in these sets a 2 (except Darth Vader). Again, nice display pieces.
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - Ditto what I said about the 25th Anniversary set.
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) - 3 - A great figure, but the face doesn't look right. Makes me think of Padmι in the first Clone Wars series. I also wish her feet were big enough to have peg holes.
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) - 2 - Pretty much a statue, and the way it is painted almost makes it look like it is from a different line of figures. For this pose, it is a very good hood up representation of her.

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 2 - A nice looking figure. The best representation of this figure that we have.
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 0 - Way too tall, and I don't like the solid plastic cape. I also can't get her to stand on her own. No need for this with the superior PLC version.

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) - 0 - Just reuses the "new likeness" sculpt. The only holo Leia you need is the one that comes with the Commtech R2-D2.

DarkJedi5
06-10-2009, 12:46 PM
Princess Leia

ANH
Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) – 1 – The first Leia but now a dinosaur.
Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) – 0 – My first Leia but not even sentimentality can save this figure.
Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) – 0 – Skipped this one because I hated the soft goods as a kid and after 12 years, I haven’t changed my mind.
Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 0 – At the time was a good step up (especially over the POTF2) but now it’s nothing special.
Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) – 0 – Another figure that was a must have at the time but has faded into retirement in my collection.
Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 1 – The figure looks good with Luke and in the package but the sculpt isn’t super and the likeness isn’t quite right so by itself it’s pretty bleh.
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 2 – Good in the context of the scene but useless for anything else. Again, just a so-so likeness.
Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) – 2 – Good marks for articulation and scale but the face isn’t that great and the swivel arms is no good.
Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) – 1 – I mean, it’s a good figure but it’s a statue. If you want the most detailed Leia with a hood up pose though, this is it.

Yavin Ceremony
Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - Yavin ceremony dress – 0 – What a terrible figure.
Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 1 – There isn’t a better version but there needs to be. If we get the Yavin Han that’s rumored then this figure is a must.
Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) - uses 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame mold – 0 – Crappy holo fig.

DarkJedi5
06-10-2009, 05:16 PM
Yavin Ceremony
Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) – 0 – Just a bad figure.
Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) – 0 – Not any better than the first.
Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) – 3 – Good enough for me and better than the previous incarnations but still needs work to be perfect.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) – 0 – This figure gets an A for effort. For what it is it looks surprisingly good but it has no place amongst modern figures.
Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) – 0 – Looks worse than the vintage version.
Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) – 0 – The goofy pose works in the packaging but there’s no way these guys would have blended in with rank and file troopers.
Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) – 0 – What is this kit-bashed piece of crap? Man I’m glad I didn’t buy the game.
Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 2 – Good sculpt and it’s nice to have a trash compactor Luke, but it’s a one hit wonder no question.
Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) – 0 – I hate the whole concept of these uselessly painted figures almost as much as I hate the Holiday figures, the silver figures and holo figures. Just stupid.
Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) – 4 – This is not only one of the best Stormtroopers, it’s also the best Luke in Stormtrooper disguise. Never needs to be remade, the best there should ever be. I know people gripe about the height but I do not care.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Leia faired about as well as Luke. No figure averaged above 3. VOTC Luke actually averaged a bit more than VOTC Leia. The Vintage Leia was actually the 2nd best. Here are the results for Leia:


Princess Leia

ANH
2.71 (7 votes).....Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC)
2.14 (7 votes).....Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage)
1.86 (7 votes).....Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit)
1.43 (7 votes).....Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene)
1.43 (7 votes).....Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection)
1.43 (7 votes).....Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame)
1.29 (7 votes).....Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary)
1.29 (7 votes).....Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech)
0.00 (7 votes).....Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2)

Yavin Ceremony
1.57 (7 votes).....Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - Yavin ceremony dress
1.14 (7 votes).....Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback)

0.14 (7 votes).....Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) - uses 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame mold

Snowtrooper
06-11-2009, 09:18 PM
Yavin Ceremony
1. Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) 2 -One of the better POTF2 Lukes. He's still a little beefy, but near as bad as lot of other POTF2 figures. The wide stance I don't care much for.
2. Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) 1 -A little more neutral pose, but I don't like the way the soft goods look on it.
3. Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) 3 -This is an excellent Luke except for the head once again. The sculpt is fine, but the paint job on the head makes it look a little odd.

Stormtrooper Disguise
4. Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) 2 -Pretty good for its time, but looks rather strange 24 years later.
5. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) 1 -Ok for the time it came out but clearly out dated now.
6. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) 1
7. Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) 1 -The slicked back hair was kinda interesting, but other than that its unremarkable.
8. Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) 1 -A statue with one of the most bizarre headsculpts in action figure history. I guess it works for the screen scene, but thats about it.
9. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) 2 -Sculpt was great and I liked the comic coloring, but I can understand why other people wouldn't.
10. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) 4 -Pretty much the perfect ST Luke although he might be a little tall.

Tycho
06-12-2009, 02:52 AM
I'll come back, chime in, and vote.

Princess Leia

ANH
Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) – 1 – I always liked having the vintage Leia figure.

Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) – 2 – I disagree with almost everyone who disses this figure. She came with a lot of plastic with an inner and outer dress and cloak. It wasn't movie authentic, but she represented value to me.

Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) – 3 – This is really my favorite ANH Leia that I own.

Princess Leia Organa (all new likeness) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 2 – This is a good and useful Leia.

Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) – 0 – Uggh! I never wanted to and did not buy this Leia.
The softgoods did not match her top and this figure clearly shows why the Leia Collection figure from 1998 is superior by her utilizing a full, real dress.

Luke Skywalker & Princess Leia Organa (Swing to Freedom) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 1 – Looks nice in the box.

Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 1 – It's alright for what it is. I'm glad I found these sets.

Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) – 2 – I don't own this Leia but it looks like it's pretty good to me.

Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) – 2 – This looks like it's a pretty good Leia to me. I don't own it, but hey, I would have gotten it had I expected it when I bought all my 1995 Leia's for my scenes I planned with her.

Yavin Ceremony
Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - Yavin ceremony dress – 3 – This is the best Yavin Ceremony figure of Leia out there.

Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 0 – This figure was too big (tall) to be Leia and the plastic shell cloak just didn't look right. I never wanted to buy her.

Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) - uses 1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame mold – 0 – useless. I never bought her and I always attend SD Comic Con as I live right there. But I'm not a collector. I'm the (future) diorama guy.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-15-2009, 12:03 AM
Yavin Ceremony
1. Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) - 1 - Perhaps my figure is just a little wonky, but I can't seem to get him to stand on his own. His right foot seems a bit bent in. Perhaps having him on a two peg stand did that.
2. Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 1 - Overall, a better figure I think, but the soft goods jacket detracts from it.
3. Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) - 3 - Improve the head and the skin tone and this would be a perfect figure. It doesn't have ankle articulation, but that might actually be a plus since that often results in poor foot peg holes.

Stormtrooper Disguise
4. Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) - 0 - This just looks odd. The face is kind of fat and looks wrong.
5. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) - 2 - Not too bad for it's time. Better than the mail away Han trooper. More neutral than that one.
6. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1 - Less neutral, but looks okay in the box for that scene.
7. Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) - 2 - A better likeness than the previous versions, and probably a better likeness than the Trash Compactor set.
8. Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - Not a great head sculpt, but it appears to have articulated knees, and makes for a good display set.
9. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) - 2 - Great figure, but the comic coloring kept it from fitting in with the rest of the figures.
10. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) - 4 - Just like the Han Stormtrooper figure, this one can't get too much better.

sebillba
06-15-2009, 01:52 AM
Yavin Ceremony
1. Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) - 1 - Perhaps my figure is just a little wonky, but I can't seem to get him to stand on his own. His right foot seems a bit bent in. Perhaps having him on a two peg stand did that.

Try dunking him in some boiling water, that usually straightens out warped plastic.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-15-2009, 02:24 AM
Try dunking him in some boiling water, that usually straightens out warped plastic.But what will it do to the rest of the figure? How long to leave it in?

sebillba
06-15-2009, 04:58 AM
Doesn't do any damage at all. I only discovered this method last year, and use it all the time now, it really works a treat. Just boil up the kettle, pour into a cup, and maybe leave to stand for half a minute (I don't think you need to wait, but I'm still a bit scared to put them in while it's still absolutely boiling!)... pop the figure in, and usually you see it revert to its factory shape within a few seconds. If it doesn't, the plastic will be soft enough to reshape it yourself, then dunk it in cold water to "set" it.

I've never seen any sign of damage doing this, neither to the plastic or the paint. I've used it on vintage figure too, as well as accessories, Galactic Heroes, you name it, and not had any problems. I've also used it on soft goods to get the creases out and to get cloaks to hang far more naturally (careful with this, it can colour the water, though I've not noticed any fading once it's dry - just don't leave it in too long).

You can also use this method to pop figures apart for customising (though I've had more success with this on Indy figures than SW). And it also works on stuck joints - when they're too stiff, and you're afraid they might break, the old boiling water trick gets them moving just fine.

DarkJedi5
06-15-2009, 10:13 AM
Doesn't do any damage at all. I only discovered this method last year, and use it all the time now, it really works a treat. Just boil up the kettle, pour into a cup, and maybe leave to stand for half a minute (I don't think you need to wait, but I'm still a bit scared to put them in while it's still absolutely boiling!)... pop the figure in, and usually you see it revert to its factory shape within a few seconds. If it doesn't, the plastic will be soft enough to reshape it yourself, then dunk it in cold water to "set" it.

I've never seen any sign of damage doing this, neither to the plastic or the paint. I've used it on vintage figure too, as well as accessories, Galactic Heroes, you name it, and not had any problems. I've also used it on soft goods to get the creases out and to get cloaks to hang far more naturally (careful with this, it can colour the water, though I've not noticed any fading once it's dry - just don't leave it in too long).

You can also use this method to pop figures apart for customising (though I've had more success with this on Indy figures than SW). And it also works on stuck joints - when they're too stiff, and you're afraid they might break, the old boiling water trick gets them moving just fine.

I've had loads of success with this method as well especially on bent guns and staffs. Never tried it on the soft goods though. Some one else was talking about a way to spray them with something to get them to sit better but if boiling works it's probably easier.

sebillba
06-15-2009, 11:16 AM
I've had loads of success with this method as well especially on bent guns and staffs. Never tried it on the soft goods though. Some one else was talking about a way to spray them with something to get them to sit better but if boiling works it's probably easier.

I'm not sure it even needs to be boiling water for the soft goods, but that's what I've tried, and it works. It makes sense for the water to be hot to get rid of creases, but to get them to sit right, I think cold might work as well - just soak it while on the figure, shape it how you want, then it should dry like that.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-15-2009, 01:35 PM
Yavin Ceremony
1. Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) - 1 - It's not horrible, but the odd sculpt makes him work best when bending over to get the medal, which is kind of weird.
2. Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) - 2 - Eh, it's a little better than the other one, even if the jacket is a little too puffy.
3. Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) - 3 - The paint prevents this from being a 4, since it definitely could be.

Stormtrooper Disguise
4. Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) - 0
5. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) - 1 - The POTF2 ones aren't terrible, but they're outdated now.
6. Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 1
7. Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) - 1
8. Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2 - Good for the scene, but nothing else.
9. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) - 3 - Interesting for what it is.
10. Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) - 4 - I doubt they'll do a better one. His belt shouldn't have the detonator, and when you remove it there are two big pegs, so I wish they had fixed that; otherwise, it's good.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-16-2009, 10:29 PM
Here are the votes so far for the latest Luke figures. Just like Han, the Luke in Stormtrooper disguise has a perfect 4.0 average. TAC Yavin Luke did pretty well. Despite the weird looking head, people agreed that it was otherwise a pretty good figure.


Yavin Ceremony
3.00 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12)
1.20 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2)
1.00 (5 votes).....Ceremonial Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection)

Stormtrooper Disguise
4.00 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) - based on TAC comic pack #6
1.80 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) - Stormtrooper disguise, comic shading
1.40 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker & Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene)
1.00 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2)
1.00 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game)
0.80 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF)
0.60 (5 votes).....Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene)

You may still rate these or any we have covered so far if you haven't already. Next up will be R2-D2.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-17-2009, 07:54 PM
Okay, I'll be doing R2-D2 in three parts. The first bunch will be through POTJ. Rate the numbered figures below with the usual scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time



R2-D2

Vintage
1. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2D2.asp)
2. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2D2scope.asp)
3. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2d2saber.asp)

POTF2
4. R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2r2.asp)
...Princess Leia and R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2leia-anh.asp) - repack of 1995 POTF2
...R2-D2 (2004 Commemorative DVD Collection - A New Hope) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionANH.asp) - repack of 1995 POTF2 figure
5. R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2fxr2d2.asp)
6. R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2r2datalink.asp)
7. R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2r2fb.asp)
8. R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTr2holo.asp)

Episode I
9. R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) (http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIr2d2.asp)

POTJ
10. R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjr2nabooesc.asp)

sebillba
06-18-2009, 03:59 PM
I must admit, I've not been looking forward to rating R2 - I like the character ok, but I'm so bored with figures of the little droid. I don't think I can rate any of these above a '2'... as far as I'm concerned, the perfect R2 should have a retractable middle leg, with wheels and realistic wiring on the feet, and that hasn't been made yet, so even the VOTC (when we get to it) will only get a '3' from me, so these have to score lower than that.

Vintage
1. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) - 1 - I love vintage, but this is one of the weaker figures from the line. No middle leg, and the stickers are very cheap.
2. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) - 1 - as above.
3. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) - 2 - I only score this one higher because it's so vastly better than the POTF2 version.

POTF2
4. R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) - 2 - one of the better figures from the early relaunch series... I was really impressed with the detail, having been used to a sticker. And the retractable leg was a cool feature, sadly lacking in more recent versions. Still looks ok today.
5. R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 1 - the electronics were fun, but you can't even turn his head.
6. R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1 - nice accessories but no middle leg.
7. R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - 0 - one of the worst figures ever made.
8. R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 2 - this was my favourite R2 for a long time - he's got the retractable leg, and I like the glittery panel on his head, but he still lacks the finer details of modern figures. Still the best one of this batch, but the scale doesn't allow me to reflect that.

Episode I
9. R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) - 1 - fun gimmick, but doesn't look right with the panels closed.
POTJ
10. R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) - 1 - the first R2 with wheels? But apart from that, it's pretty meh.

bigbarada
06-19-2009, 12:54 AM
R2-D2

Vintage
1. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) 3 (not only the first R2 toy, but the first Star Wars figure I ever owned, so it's a nostalgic choice for me)
2. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) 3
3. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) 1 (after 8 years, they really should have made an R2 with a third leg not this silly gimmick, and the lightsaber looks more like a billy club)

POTF2
4. R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) 0
5. R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) 0
6. R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) 0
7. R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) 0
8. R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) 1

Episode I
9. R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) 0

POTJ
10. R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) 0

DarkJedi5
06-19-2009, 12:57 PM
R2-D2

Vintage
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) – 0 – Usually I give the vintage figs a little love but not this time.
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) – 0 – A nice try but doesn’t look good at all.
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) – 0 – Better than the POTF2 version but so is like every other figure ever made.

POTF2
R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) – 1 – If you want a figure to go with the vintage stuff it should be this one. At least it looks like R2 instead of a legged trashcan with a sticker.
R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) – 0 – Didn’t own it. It’s a display piece and not a toy and that’s fine but doesn’t make it a great figure.
R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 0 – I hate this figure! Okay, it’s a good figure but I over twisted R2’s dome and retracted the datalink so far that it went completely inside his body and was never able to retrieve it.
R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) – 0 – The figure that no one likes. I think they just went about it the wrong way. Not even the lightsaber missile is usable.
R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 3 – High marks for this figure because despite it’s minor flaws, it is the only R2 with a retraining bolt. While on screen, he doesn’t have it for very long, it’s a great detail for any purchase of the droids, Leia’s message, or sandcrawler scenes. Not to mention the holographic Leia was an important accessory.

Episode I
R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) – 0 – This is one of only a few figures I have ever bought that lead to buyer’s remorse right out of the package. This figure doesn’t really look good either way and I never even noticed him using the rockets in the film. And even if he did use rockets in TPM like those on the figure his rocket system would be completely reimagined for AOTC which leaves me wondering what happened to R2 between films?

POTJ
R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) – 1 – A Great figure at the time and a big step forward with the wheels, this figure doesn’t hold a candle to what we’ve got in our droids lately.

Snowtrooper
06-21-2009, 04:55 PM
Vintage
1. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) 2 -Sentimental points. This was the first SW figure I ever laid my eyes on.
2. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) 1
3. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) 1

POTF2
4. R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) 1 -It was OK for the time but the sculpt is dated and the paint job was terrible, at least on mine.
5. R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) 2 -I like the electronic sound effects. It made alot of sense to do something like this. But I'm a bit weary of it after umpteen releases.
6. R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) 1 -Liked the gizmos that came with it, but not very impressive. I didn't know you could retract the periscope so it couldn't come back out.
7. R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) 0 -Gigantic middle leg is a real eyesore. Reminds me of POTF2 R5-D4. I hope they take a crack at this sometime again.
8. R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) 1 -I like the Leia holo that comes with it and the fact that its got a restraining bolt on it. But other than that, its not a whole lot different than the rest of the POTF2 ones.

Episode I
9. R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) 1 -The rockets were an interesting feature, but in light of where the rockets were placed in later movies, this one looks all wrong.
POTJ
10. R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) 1 -Basically a previous release with wheels.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-21-2009, 10:41 PM
R2-D2

Vintage
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) – 0 – It looks like the put a face on the dome, no middle leg, and a sticker for detail which has faded with time.
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) – 0 – An enhancement to the original, but not enough to improve my rating.
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) – 0 – Ditto.

POTF2
R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) – 1 – Much better than the vintage, but the middle leg has an extra thing on it, and the lack of ankle articulation means there is just one spot where all his feet are flat on the ground.
R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) – 1 – I don't have it, but the first Saga one is based on it. I think this is the first one without the chrome dome, however you can't turn it. Lights and sounds add something to it.
R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 1 – Other than the addition of the accessories, this is kind of a step back. It is smaller than the first POTF2 version, and has no middle leg. I like the pop up scope better than later ones where you have to rotate the dome.
R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) – 1 – As bad as we all think this figure is, I won't give it a 0 because it is still the only one with the launching lightsaber feature.
R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 3 – A darn good figure. Non-chrome dome that turns and makes a clicky sound like the vintage. I think this is the first one with articulated ankles. It's also the only one with the mini holo Leia, which is more useful than the full size exclusive holo Leia.

Episode I
R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) – 1 – It would be a pretty good figure, but the rocket panels kind of ruin the aesthetics of the figure.

POTJ
R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) – 2 – First one with wheels, but lacks the ankle articulation and the middle leg doesn't retract. Battle weathering makes it a bit scene specific. Also, the blue is a bit lighter on this figure. Despite all this, I'm going to give it a 2 because I think it is better than the 1's.

Tycho
06-22-2009, 03:19 AM
I Rated the numbered figures below with the usual scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time

R2-D2

Vintage
Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) – 1 – This R2D2 was my very first Star Wars figure EVER!!!

Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) – 1 – This was a fun update to the vintage figure.

Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) – 1 – Better than the POTF2 version!!!

POTF2
R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) – 3 – I loved getting this R2D2, it's nearly perfect and I was excited that he had his middle robot leg.

R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) – 1 –The first R2 to have electronics and a sand-coat.

R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 1 – This figure is acceptable.

R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) – 0 – My score says it all.

R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 3 – a very good and detailed little droid with a useful accessory.

Episode I
R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) – 2 – I like this figure - always did. The action feature is fun even if it has been made unauthentic because R2's rockets are now revealed to be in a different place. But his off-scale size (he's larger than he should be) has appeal to me because it makes him stand out amongst the other figures and really draw your eye to this R2 when he's placed in any scene.

POTJ
R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) – 1 – This R2 is hum-hum. I was never terribly excited by it but I needed another R2 so I purchased it anyway.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-23-2009, 07:55 PM
Okay, another round of R2-D2 figures. This will cover from Saga through ROTS. Use the following scale as usual, and rate only the numbered figures.

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time


Saga
1. R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagar2d2coruscantsentry.asp) - based on 1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X
...R2-D2 (Electronic Lights and Sounds) (ROTS #48) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0548r2d2.asp) - same sculpt as Saga 2002 Coruscant Sentry
...R2-D2 (2007 Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLR2D2.asp) - repack of ROTS #48
...R2-D2 (2008 TLC SL #01) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCSL01R2D2.asp) - repack of ROTS #48
...R2-D2 (2006 Episode III Greatest Battles Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCe3r2d2.asp) - repack of ROTS #48
2. R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagaxwing.asp) - Dagobah
3. R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/saga25thr2.asp)
4. 2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp) - R2-D2 with antlers
5. R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0309r2d2dff.asp)
...R2-D2 (2007 TAC Droid Factory Capture Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACBPdroidfactory.asp) - repack of Saga 2003 #09 without string
6. R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0405r2-d2barge.asp)
...R2-D2 (2006 Commerative Episode VI DVD Collection - Return of the Jedi) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscROTJdvd.asp) - repack of Saga 2004 #05 without accessory
...R2-D2 (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPambushonilum.asp) - repack of Saga 2004 #05 without accessory
7. R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFr2d2.asp) - based on POTJ Naboo Escape figure
...R2-D2 (OTC #12) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC12r2d2.asp) - repack of 2004 Hall of Fame
...R2-D2 (2004 OTC Millennium Falcon Crew) (http://www.rebelscum.com/otcMillenniumFalconCrew.asp) - multipack included with Sam's Club exclusive Millennium Falcon

OTC
8. R2-D2 (OTC #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC04r2d2dagobah.asp) - Dagobah, based on Saga 2002 Coruscant Sentry, but with no middle leg and different sounds
9. R2-D2 (VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vr2d2.asp)

ROTS
10. R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0507r2d2.asp)
....R2-D2 (2006 Episode III Heroes & Villains Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCe311r2d2.asp[/url) - repack of ROTS #07
11. Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05remotecontrolR2D2.asp)
12. R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) - based on VOTC without the accessories

DarkJedi5
06-26-2009, 01:34 PM
Saga
R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) – 1 – A point simply for being a fun figure with lights and sounds. Also the Khouhun were good accessories.
R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) – 0 – If you want a “Dagobah dirty” this isn’t it.
R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) – 0 – I hate silver figures but as they go, this isn’t a bad one.
2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO – 0 – As much as I hate silver figures, I hate holiday ones more.
R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) – 0 – The rockets are okay (after all they are pretty screen accurate) but everyone hates the string. I haven’t got the guts to just get rid of it and glue the silver piece into place yet, but I might very soon. And don’t display this figure where people can see the back either.
R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) – 1 – Good old Bar2-D2 ready with a cold one when all you want to do is sit on your dais and watch a few people flung into the sarlaac pit. The accessory is okay ( could be a lot better) and the droid itself has not stood up well over time.
R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) – 0 – As good an R2 as you could want at the time but the VOTC left this one in the dust.

OTC
R2-D2 (OTC #04) – 2 – I don’t actually like the lights and sounds concept but I think this is the last Dagobah R2 I will ever buy. It could be done with the VOTC body, but it wouldn’t be much better.
R2-D2 (VOTC) – 4 – The Best R2 ever. From now on they should use this for every R2 series droid they ever make again. But because no figure is perfect, I would love it re done ever so slightly so that the panel on the left wasn’t always just glued on.

ROTS
R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) – 0 – POS. I mean really. After VOTC, why would anyone want this?
Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) – 0 – Neat idea but it never appealed to me.
R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) – 3 – Hey look! It’s the first VOTC R2 with his panel glued down! I give it a three cause it’s already a good figure but the panel issue leaves room for improvement.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-26-2009, 10:53 PM
Saga
1. R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) - based on 1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X - 2 - I'll give this one a higher rating than the one it is based on because of the cleaner look, but the head still can't turn, and no retractable middle leg.
2. R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) - Dagobah - 0 - no middle leg, and a chrome dome. Since the TSC version of the X-Wing is probably a better choice, not much of a reason to get this.
3. R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) - 1 - Not sure what figure this is based on. I don't have this one, but it is the one silver figure that I actually would like to have.
4. 2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO - R2-D2 with antlers - 1 - I like the Holiday figure. It make a nice Christmas display, but it's not a great R2 figure
5. R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) - 0 - I haven't opened this one, so I haven't experienced its awfulness first hand. I'm tempted to be lenient and give it a 1, but with the legs being fixed to the side, and the dome that looks more like the recent Clone Wars figure, I'll have to give it a 0.
6. R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) - 3 - It has a retractable middle leg and a nice accessory. His "torso" seems a bit long, though, and the blue is lighter than other figures.
7. R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) - based on POTJ Naboo Escape figure - 2 - I gave the original a 2, so I'll give this one a 2 as well. It is a cleaner version than the POTF figure.

OTC
8. R2-D2 (OTC #04) - Dagobah, based on Saga 2002 Coruscant Sentry, but with no middle leg and different sounds - 2 - I only give this a 2 because of the effects, the base, and it is the best Dagobah R2 we have. My batteries died, though, so I removed them.
9. R2-D2 (VOTC) - 3 - A great figure, but I can't give it a 4 when it doesn't have a retractable leg. I also wish the periscope could pop up without having to rotate the head, and that I could rotate the head without raising the periscope.

ROTS
10. R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) - 1 - The action feature makes the middle leg look weird. I like the caption on this photo (http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/ROTS/rots0507r2d2art.jpg) - "Push middle leg for whatever silly action it's meant to have."
11. Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) - 1 - Looks a bit oversized. I've been tempted to get the RC droids at Target, but decided not to. I almost didn't even include this in the poll. Still, a nice little novelty item.
12. R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) - based on VOTC without the accessories - 3 - In some ways, I like it better than the VOTC because I don't have the extra pieces lying around when I'm not displaying them on the figure.

sebillba
06-27-2009, 09:41 AM
Oops, nearly forgot to rate these....

Saga
1. R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagar2d2coruscantsentry.asp) - 1 - gets a point for the fx, but fixed head means I can't give it any more.
2. R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagaxwing.asp) - 0 - passed on this, don't miss it.
3. R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/saga25thr2.asp) - 0
4. 2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp) - 0 - I guess it has some novelty value, but it's not for me.
5. R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0309r2d2dff.asp) - 0 - should've come with a Happy Meal
6. R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0405r2-d2barge.asp) - 2 - a pretty good R2, with retractable leg and nice accessory. Still lacking wheels and realistic wiring.
7. R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFr2d2.asp) - 1 - nothing special, seen it all before.

OTC
8. R2-D2 (OTC #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC04r2d2dagobah.asp) - 1 - the best Dagobah R2 out there, but I would've preferred they'd used one with, at the very least, a moving head.
9. R2-D2 (VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vr2d2.asp) - 3 - the best R2 so far, great detail and accessories, but R2 retracted his middle leg, he didn't just take it off. If they could make a retractable leg on the very first POTF2 figure, why not here?

ROTS
10. R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0507r2d2.asp) - 1 - another stupid action feature, and IIRC the head accessory is way oversized. I've given it '1' for the booster rockets.
11. Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05remotecontrolR2D2.asp) - 1 - I'm sure this would be fun, but I don't consider this as part of the regular line.
12. R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) - 3 - it's VOTC, so gets the same score.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
06-27-2009, 01:58 PM
Vintage
1. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) - 0
2. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) - 0
3. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) - 0

POTF2
4. R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) - 1 - Great for its time, it can pass in background scenes.
5. R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 1 - I liked the electronics and scenery.
6. R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 1
7. R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) - 0 - The leg is too big and just looks wrong.
8. R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) - 2 - I loved this at the time, but it's a bit outdated now.

Episode I
9. R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) - 2 - It's interesting as a deleted scene figure and looks pretty okay when closed, but it's not great.

POTJ
10. R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) - 2 - Not bad but not great.

Saga
1. R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) - 2 - I like the Kouhuns and the inventive reuse of the old mold, which holds up with the new paintjob. My ROTS version seems to have crapped out on me, though, and I can't open the battery compartment for some reason.
2. R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) - Dagobah - 1 - I don't have this, but it looks passable.
3. R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) - 3 - One of the better silver figures.
4. 2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO - R2-D2 with antlers - 2 - Fun but nonessential.
5. R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) - 0 - One of the worst of all time; it barely looks like R2-D2.
6. R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) - 3 - I was impressed by the neutral quality of him without the bar accessories, even if he's a little boxy. And the Ilum version had snow on his feet, but barely.
7. R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) - 2 - I should still get this, I think, since I never did.

OTC
8. R2-D2 (OTC #04) - 3 - He gets the job done.
9. R2-D2 (VOTC) - 4 - He looks great, finally. Without the chrome dome and the somewhat jarring panels, he'd be perfect.

ROTS
10. R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) - 3 - Eh, a step back from VOTC.
11. Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) - I won't rate this since it's not really a basic figure.
12. R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) - 4 - Basically the same as VOTC.

Mad Slanted Powers
06-27-2009, 10:10 PM
Here are the rankings for the first group of R2-D2 figures. After we get a few more votes on the current group, we'll move on to the last bunch of Artoos.

The Commtech was the only one that did well in this bunch.

R2-D2

Vintage
1.00 (7 votes).....Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage)
0.86 (7 votes).....Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage)
0.71 (7 votes).....Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF)

POTF2
2.14 (7 votes).....R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech)
1.29 (7 votes).....R2-D2 (1995 POTF2)
0.86 (7 votes).....R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X)
0.71 (7 votes).....R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame)
0.14 (7 votes).....R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback)

Episode I
1.00 (7 votes).....R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I)

POTJ
1.14 (7 votes).....R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ)

Snowtrooper
06-30-2009, 12:07 AM
Saga
1. R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) - based on 1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X 1
2. R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) - Dagobah 0
3. R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) 2
4. 2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO - R2-D2 with antlers 1
5. R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) 0 -Possibly the worst R2-D2 of all time.
6. R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) 2
7. R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) - based on POTJ Naboo Escape figure 1

OTC
8. R2-D2 (OTC #04) - Dagobah, based on Saga 2002 Coruscant Sentry, but with no middle leg and different sounds 2 -Has the best SFX of all electronic R2's
9. R2-D2 (VOTC) 4

ROTS
10. R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) 0
11. Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) 3
12. R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) - based on VOTC without the accessories 4

Mad Slanted Powers
07-03-2009, 12:26 AM
I'll wait and see if we get a couple more votes before posting the results of the previous group. Time to keep things moving on though. Here are the last group of R2-D2 figures. Rate only the numbered figures, and rate them using the following scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time


TSC
1. R2-D2 (2006 Saga Collection #010) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC010r2d2.asp) - repaint of Early Bird
...R2-D2 (2008 TLC Training on the Falcon Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPMFTraining.asp) - repack of TSC #10


TAC
2. R2-D2 (30th Anniversary #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC04r2d2.asp) - retooled ROTS R4-G9
3. R2-D2 (with Cargo Net) (2007 30th Anniversary #46) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC46r2d2.asp) - repaint of Early Bird figure
4. Concept R2-D2 (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) - with Concept C-3PO
5. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks06.asp) - repaint of ROTS R4-G9
6. R2-D2 (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp) - repaint of Saga 2004 #05
...R2-D2 (2008 TLC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPJediTraining.asp) - repaint of Saga 2004 #05

TLC
7. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2008 TLC Droid Factory #6) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcDF6.asp[/url) - damaged, repaint of ROTS R4-G9
8. R2-D2 (2008 TLC Shield Generator Assault Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPShieldGeneratorAssault.asp) - Early Bird repaint with battle damaged effects


TCW
9. R2-D2 (2008 The Clone Wars #8) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW08r2d2.asp)

I don't know which version R2-D2 (Legacy Tin Collection Episode III) is, but it is probably a repack, so I won't list it here unless someone has more info on it. Let me know if there are any other Artoos that we haven't covered.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-03-2009, 01:12 AM
There's also the Clone Wars version. We did the Clone Wars C-3PO, so we might as well do Artoo.

TSC
1. R2-D2 (2006 Saga Collection #010) - 4 - The added grime looks great.

TAC
2. R2-D2 (30th Anniversary #04) - 3 - It works well for the scene, but it's very specific. Also, he seems to have a tendency to get warped and also to lean a little when he's connected to the flames. Still, I always like when multiple figures are made to match each other. This could easily also be a 4, but I'd also like to see a neutral repaint of this one for AOTC.
3. R2-D2 (with Cargo Net) (2007 30th Anniversary #46) - 4 - The added grime is a bit much, as he didn't really get messy on Endor, but the accessories are really quite great.
4. Concept R2-D2 (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) - 4 - Another great entry here.
5. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 Comic Pack) - 4 - Stark and interesting-looking.
6. R2-D2 (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) - 3 - It's a little outdated, and I don't have this set, but it looks pretty good.

TLC
7. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2008 TLC Droid Factory #6) - 4 - It looks great for what it's intended to be.
8. R2-D2 (2008 TLC Shield Generator Assault Battle Pack) - 3 - It's kind of a cop-out, but it's pretty good.

Mad Slanted Powers
07-03-2009, 01:40 AM
There's also the Clone Wars version. We did the Clone Wars C-3PO, so we might as well do Artoo. Ah, yes. I meant to include him. I've added him to the list, so go ahead and rate him as well. Thanks.

Mad Slanted Powers
07-05-2009, 07:33 PM
I found another R2 that I missed. Not a very important one, and it was a UK exclusive, but I figured I'd add it in since we've only had one voter so far on the last group. So, here is the updated list with #2 being the new addition.



TSC
1. R2-D2 (2006 Saga Collection #010) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC010r2d2.asp) - repaint of Early Bird
...R2-D2 (2008 TLC Training on the Falcon Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPMFTraining.asp) - repack of TSC #10
2. R2-D2 (2006 TSC UK Woolworths Exclusive Gift Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscEPIIIgiftpack.asp) - silver repaint of Early Bird figure


TAC
3. R2-D2 (30th Anniversary #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC04r2d2.asp) - retooled ROTS R4-G9
4. R2-D2 (with Cargo Net) (2007 30th Anniversary #46) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC46r2d2.asp) - repaint of Early Bird figure
5. Concept R2-D2 (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) - with Concept C-3PO
6. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks06.asp) - repaint of ROTS R4-G9
7. R2-D2 (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp) - repaint of Saga 2004 #05
...R2-D2 (2008 TLC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPJediTraining.asp) - repaint of Saga 2004 #05

TLC
8. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2008 TLC Droid Factory #6) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcDF6.asp[/url) - damaged, repaint of ROTS R4-G9
9. R2-D2 (2008 TLC Shield Generator Assault Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPShieldGeneratorAssault.asp) - Early Bird repaint with battle damaged effects

TCW
10. R2-D2 (2008 The Clone Wars #8) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW08r2d2.asp)

DarkJedi5
07-05-2009, 10:48 PM
TSC
R2-D2 (2006 Saga Collection #010) – 4 – Better than the OTC because of the painted weathering.
R2-D2 (2006 TSC UK Woolworths Exclusive Gift Pack) – 0 – I hate silver figures.


TAC
R2-D2 (30th Anniversary #04) – 2 – Very scene specific but considering it’s trying to portray the same thing that the factory flight figure bombed on says something.
R2-D2 (with Cargo Net) (2007 30th Anniversary #46) – 2 – Not a fan of the paint on this one. The dirt specs make it look like he was splashed with mud, not been cruising Endor.
Concept R2-D2 (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) – 3 – I really liked the McQuarrie series this was not one of the nest of the series but it was an accurate representation.
Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 Comic Pack) – 2 – I bought it as a filler droid. As R2 it sucks.
R2-D2 (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) – 2 – I skipped this set but the R2 was one of the better figures in the set. The clean center leg is a little weird.

TLC
Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2008 TLC Droid Factory #6) – 3 – Scene specific, sure, but I never thought we’d get this figure. I love it.
R2-D2 (2008 TLC Shield Generator Assault Battle Pack) – 1 – Serious problems with this figure. It is not R2 Shield Bunker. It uses the VOTC base so it’s usable but without doors that actually open the effect is lost and the figure is crap.

TCW
R2-D2 (2008 The Clone Wars #8) – 0 – I hate animated figures.

Dice Ibegon
07-06-2009, 07:10 AM
Hope you don't mind me joining in thr ranking of the figures??

Vintage
1. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2D2.asp) 2 – I have a soft spot for most vintage figures
2. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2D2scope.asp) 2 - Ditto
3. Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2d2saber.asp) 2 - Ditto
POTF2
4. R2-D2 (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2r2.asp) 1 – Gets a point for the third leg
5. R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2fxr2d2.asp) 2 – Easily the best of the F/X figs
6. R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2r2datalink.asp) 1 – Looks a little clumsy now
7. R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2r2fb.asp) 0 – Contender for worst fig ever
8. R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTr2holo.asp) 3 – My favourite R2 still
Episode I
9. R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I) (http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIr2d2.asp) 0 – Looks wrong
POTJ
10. R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potjr2nabooesc.asp) 2 – Not a bad R2
11. R2-D2 (2006 TSC UK Woolworths Exclusive Gift Pack) 0
Saga
1. R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagar2d2coruscantsentry.asp) 2 – Like the light/sound effects
2. R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagaxwing.asp) – Dagobah 0 – A bad Dagobah R2
3. R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/saga25thr2.asp) 1 – The best silver fig
4. 2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp) 1 – Fun, but useless
5. R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0309r2d2dff.asp) 0 – Just ugly
6. R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0405r2-d2barge.asp) 2 – Like the accessory
7. R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFr2d2.asp) 2 – Not bad
OTC
8. R2-D2 (OTC #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC04r2d2dagobah.asp) – Dagobah 2 - Like the light/sound effects
9. R2-D2 (VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vr2d2.asp) 1 – Don’t like the vac metalised head on this one
ROTS
10. R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots0507r2d2.asp) 1 – Leg is too long
11. Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS05remotecontrolR2D2.asp) 2 – Not got this one, but looks fun
12. R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) (http://www.rebelscum.com/SW05earlybirdkit.asp) 1 – see point 9

Clone Wars
13 R2-D2 0 – Hate all animated figs without exception

Mad Slanted Powers
07-06-2009, 09:33 AM
Hope you don't mind me joining in thr ranking of the figures??Not at all. Feel free to go back and rank any of the previous groups we rated as well.

Dice Ibegon
07-07-2009, 04:43 AM
Not at all. Feel free to go back and rank any of the previous groups we rated as well.

Thanks :)

Here are my rankings for Old Ben Kenobi:

Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1978 Vintage) - 2
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1995 POTF2) - 1
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X) - 0
Obi-Wan Kenobi (1997 POTF2 Cantina Showdown Cinema Scene) - 0
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 2
Ben (Obi-Wan) Kenobi (2000 POTJ) - 3
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2004 VOTC) - 2
Obi-Wan Kenobi (2008 TLC) - 4
Spirit of Obi-Wan (1997 Frito-Lay Exclusive) - 1
Obi-Wan Spirit (1998 POTF2 Jedi Spirits Cinema Scene) - 2
Spirit Obi-Wan (2004 OTC) - 3
Spirit of Obi-Wan Kenobi (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) - repaint of 2004 OTC - 1
Concept Obi-Wan (2007 TAC SDCC Exclusive) - 3

Dice Ibegon
07-07-2009, 05:03 AM
Onto C-3PO

I don’t know what it is about 3PO, but I love the figures, maybe it is something to do with the fact that the vintage 3PO was my first ever figure or maybe it’s the gold colouring.

Clean
See-Threepio (C-3PO) (1978 Vintage) – 3 – My first ever figure, got a lotta love for it.
C-3PO (Removable Limbs) (1982 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtC3POlimbs.asp) - 2
C-3PO (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3po.asp) - 2
C-3PO (1998 POTF Millennium Minted Coin) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2mmcc3po.asp) - 2
C-3PO (2005 ROTS #18) (http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0518c-3po.asp) - 2
C-3PO (2006 Saga Collection #042) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc042c3po.asp) - 4

Dirty
C-3PO from Purchase of the Droids (1997 POTF2 Cinema Scene) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2purchaseofthedroids.asp) - 2
C-3PO with removeable limbs (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3polimbs.asp) - 2
C-3PO (1999 POTF2 Flashback) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2c3podesertworn.asp) - 2
C-3PO (Tatooine Escape) (2004 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04ultrac3po.asp) - 0
C-3PO (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vc3po.asp) - 0 - Awful awful figure, worst of the VOTC line
C-3PO & Salacious Crumb (2007 30th Anniversary #30) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC30c3po.asp) – 1
The Phantom Menace
C-3PO (Episode I) (http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIC3PO.asp) - 3

Attack of the Clones
C-3PO (2002 Saga #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagac3po.asp) - 0
C-3PO with Droid Factory Assembly Line (2002 Saga Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sagadxc3po.asp) - 2

Expanded Universe
C-3PO (1985 Droids) - 1
C-3PO (2007 TAC Ambush on Ilum Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPambushonilum.asp) - 1
C-3PO (2008 The Clone Wars) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW16c3po.asp) - 1
C-3PO in Santa Suit (2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swsagaholidayedition.asp) - 1
Concept C-3PO (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) – 3

Dice Ibegon
07-07-2009, 05:37 AM
and onto Chewie . . .
I will skip Vader as there are so many variations and will move on to Han, Leia & Luke tomorrow . . .sorry to those who have already posted on these and thanks for letting me add my ratings

Basic Chewbacca
Chewbacca (1978 Vintage) - 2
Chewbacca (1995 POTF2) - 0
Chewbacca (Millennium Falcon Mechanic) (2001 POTJ) - 1
Chewbacca (2004 VOTC) - 4
Chewbacca (2005 TSC Early Bird Kit) - 4
Chewbacca (2007 TAC Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) - 2

Hoth Chewbacca
Hoth Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - 1
Chewbacca (2003 Saga The Battle of Hoth Battle Pack) - 0
Chewbacca (2006 TAC Episode V Commemorative Tin Collection) - 2
Chewbacca (2008 TLC Hoth Recon Patrol Battle Pack) - 2

Other Scene Specific
Chewbacca (1998 POTF2 Mynock Hunt Cinema Scene) - 2
Chewbacca (Mynock Hunt) (2003 Saga #14) - 0
Chewbacca in handcuffs (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape Cinema Scene) - 0
Chewbacca (Boushh's bounty) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) - 0
Chewbacca (Boushh Prisoner) (2006 Saga Collection #005) - 2
Chewbacca (Dejarik Champion) (2000 POTJ) - 1
Chewbacca (Cloud City Capture) (2002 Saga #38) - 2

Prequel, EU, Etc.
Chewbacca (In Bounty Hunter Disguise) (1996 SOTE) - 0
Han Solo & Chewbacca (Death Star Escape) (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) - 2
Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) - 2
Chewbacca (Wookiee Rage!) (2005 ROTS #5) - 2
Concept Chewbacca (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #21) - 2
Chewbacca & Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) - 1
Chewbacca (2008 TLC BD #03) - 1

sebillba
07-07-2009, 06:13 AM
Welcome to the Survey Dice. :)

TSC
1. R2-D2 (2006 Saga Collection #010) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSC010r2d2.asp) - 3 - never bought this, but it’s as good as Early Bird, with some nice extras.

TAC
2. R2-D2 (30th Anniversary #04) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC04r2d2.asp) - 2 - it’s ok, but no middle leg and covered in wee stains. The rockets and flames are cool, but I could never get it to connect properly with the SBD.
3. R2-D2 (with Cargo Net) (2007 30th Anniversary #46) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC46r2d2.asp) - 3 - Early Bird again, and another one I passed on, but kind of wish I’d got it for the accessories.
4. Concept R2-D2 (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACC4McDroids.asp) - 3 - love the McQ concept set, and while this isn’t one of my favourites, it’s as good as it could get.
5. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks06.asp) - 1 - completely ignored this one… I guess it could work as a random background astromech, but it’s not R2.
6. R2-D2 (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPjeditraining.asp) - 1 - this sculpt was good as Bar2-D2, but is outdated by now. Gets a point just for the retractable leg.

TLC
7. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2008 TLC Droid Factory #6) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcDF6.asp[/url) - 3 - really nice figure, good to get a totally new sculpt for this scene, plus it's got a retractable leg. Can't give it a perfect score though, as it can't be used as a neutral R2.
8. R2-D2 (2008 TLC Shield Generator Assault Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCBPShieldGeneratorAssault.asp) - 3 - not completely accurate, but good enough for me. I kind of like that you can take off the battle damage to have a neutral R2.

TCW
9. R2-D2 (2008 The Clone Wars #8) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TCW08r2d2.asp) - 3 - I don’t collect animated figures, but I can appreciate them for what they are. This one has got some really neat extras.

 
 

Dice Ibegon
07-08-2009, 04:55 AM
Here are my ratings for Han

ANH
Han Solo (1978 Vintage) – 3 – Vintage love.
Han Solo (1995 POTF2) – 0
Han Solo (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 3 – Loved this fig for ages.
Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Jabba the Hutt) – 0 – All POTF2 Hans are dreadful
Han Solo (1997 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 0 – All POTF2 Hans are dreadful
Han Solo (1998 POTF2 Millennium Falcon CD-ROM Playset) – 0 – All POTF2 Hans are dreadful
Han Solo (Death Star Escape) (2001 POTJ) – 1 – I hate the pose.
Han Solo & Chewbacca (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 2 – Looks good displayed with Chewie.
Han Solo (2004 VOTC) - 4 – Best Han by far.
Han Solo (2006 Saga Collection #035) – 2 – Don’t like the new head so much.
Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Collection #11) – 3 – Cool, but not the best.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (1995 Froot Loops Exclusive) – 0 – No!
Han Solo Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape) – 0 – Slight improvement, but still No
Han Solo (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor) – 1 – Good in the scene, but been done better.
Han Solo (2007 30th Anniversary Comic Pack #04) – 3 – Loses a point for being EU.
Han Solo (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #31) - 4 – The Best!

Dice Ibegon
07-08-2009, 04:55 AM
and Luke

Basic Outfit
Luke Skywalker (1978 Vintage) – 2 – Vintage love
Luke Skywalker (1995 POTF2) – 0 – POTF2 hate
Luke Skywalker's Desert Sport Skiff (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) – 0 – Pointless (I’d give it –1 if I could)
Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Purchase of the Droids Cinema Scene) – 1 – Much better likeness.
Luke Skywalker (with Blast Shield Helmet) (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 1 – Cool accessory.
Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Flashback) - Floppy Hat – 2 – Better articulation and likeness.
Luke Skywalker (1998 POTF2 Gunner Station) – 0 – Meh! Never got this one.
Luke Skywalker with T-16 Skyhopper Model (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – Was my favourite ANH Luke for ages.
Luke Skywalker (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 0 – Too posed to use.
Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Landspeeder) – 1 – Looked too similar to previous releases.
Luke Skywalker (2004 VOTC) – 0 – Gets a Zero for the awful oversized soft goods - possibly the worst I have ever seen on a figure. I really don’t like this figure.
Luke Skywalker (2005 Early Bird Kit) – 0 – Lightsaber !?!?!?!?
Luke Skywalker (Escape from Mos Eisley) (2006 Saga Collection #036) – 3 – Best one IMO.
Luke Skywalker (Moisture Farmer) (2007 30thAnniversary #18) – 3 – Would be a 4 if the face was better.


Yavin Ceremony
Luke Skywalker (Ceremonial Outfit) (1997 POTF2) – 1 – This was ok for a long time.
Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) – 0 – Soft goods do nothing for this fig.
Luke Skywalker (Yavin Ceremony) (2007 30th Anniversary #12) – 3 – Nearly there with this one.

Stormtrooper Disguise
Luke Skywalker (Imperial Stormtrooper Outfit) (1985 Vintage POTF) – 2 – Vintage love.
Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper disguise) (1996 POTF2) – 0 – No need to get this one.
Luke Skywalker Stormtrooper Disguise (1997 POTF2 Death Star Escape) – 0 – Or this one.
Luke Skywalker (1998 Escape the Death Star Action Figure Game) – 0 – Worst Stormie Luke out there.
Luke Skywalker (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor Screen Scene) – 0 – Very scene specific.
Luke Skywalker (2007 TAC Comic Pack #06) – 3 – EU, so loses a point.
Luke Skywalker (Stormtrooper Disguise) (2008 TLC BD #30) – 4 – Best Stormie Luke.

Dice Ibegon
07-08-2009, 04:56 AM
and finally Leia

ANH
1. Princess Leia Organa (1978 Vintage) – 3 – No modern Leia has topped this IMO.
2. Princess Leia Organa (1995 POTF2) – 0 – Nothing good to say on this one.
3. Princess Leia & R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) – 2 – Not bad, but a bit doll like & lacking articulation.
4. Princess Leia Organa (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame) – 1 – A bit manlike
5. Princess Leia with Sporting Blaster (2000 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – I liked this a lot till the Early Bird version.
6. Princess Leia Organa (2002 POTJ 25th Anniversary) – 1 – Awkward pose makes it unusable in any other context.
7. Princess Leia & Chewbacca (2002 Saga Death Star Trash Compactor) – 3 – Scene specific, but I like the face and pose on this one.
8. Princess Leia Organa (2004 VOTC) – 3 – Let down by the neck.
9. Princess Leia (2005 Early Bird Kit) – 3 – My favourite modern Leia, I don’t care that she is a statue.

Yavin Ceremony
10. Princess Leia & Luke Skywalker (1997 POTF2 Princess Leia Collection) – 0 – Doll doll doll doll
11. Princess Leia (in Ceremonial Dress) (1998 POTF2 Flashback) – 3 – Best we have so far.

12. Holographic Princess Leia (2005 OTC SDCC Exclusive) – 0 – I don’t understand why they made this, totally inaccurate!

Mad Slanted Powers
07-11-2009, 11:03 PM
TSC
1. R2-D2 (2006 Saga Collection #010) - 3 - Pretty much the same as the Early bird
2. R2-D2 (2006 TSC UK Woolworths Exclusive Gift Pack) - 0 - No need to track down this set of repacks. The other silver R2 looks better than this one.


TAC
3. R2-D2 (30th Anniversary #04) - 4 - Not exactly perfect, but this uses the best R2 sculpt we have and the whole flame thing when combined with the Super Battle Droid makes for an impressive display.
4. R2-D2 (with Cargo Net) (2007 30th Anniversary #46) - 3 - Another cool set of accessories to go with yet another VOTC/Early Bird repaint.
5. Concept R2-D2 (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 TAC Celebration IV Exclusive) - 3 - Not exactly my favorite concept figure, but it is pretty well done.
6. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2007 Comic Pack) - 3 - I like how this looks, and it uses the better R4-G9 sculpt.
7. R2-D2 (2007 TAC Jedi Training on Dagobah Battle Pack) - 2 - I forgot about this one when I said the OTC figure was the best Dagobah version. I like this sculpt better, but don't necessarily like the painting better.

TLC
8. Luke Skywalker & R2-D2 (2008 TLC Droid Factory #6) - 4 - I think it really captures the post Death Star Battle R2, and it uses the R4-G9 sculpt.
9. R2-D2 (2008 TLC Shield Generator Assault Battle Pack) - 3 - Could have been done better, but I don't dislike it as much as other people do.

TCW
10. R2-D2 (2008 The Clone Wars #8) - 2 - If only the front panels could stay shut, I think this would be a better way to do the tools on a regular line R2.

Mad Slanted Powers
07-18-2009, 03:39 PM
Here are the updated R2 results for the first two groups that we have done. I was waiting to get a couple more votes on the last round of R2's before moving on to the Stormtrooper. I'll go ahead and move onto the Stormtrooper no later than Tuesday.


R2-D2

Vintage
1.13 (8 votes).....Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (1978 Vintage)
1.00 (8 votes).....Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) (With Sensorscope) (1981 Vintage)
0.88 (8 votes).....Artoo-Detoo (R2-D2) With Pop-Up Lightsaber (1985 Vintage POTF)

POTF2
2.25 (8 votes).....R2-D2 with holographic Princess Leia (1999 POTF2 Commtech)
1.25 (8 votes).....R2-D2 (1995 POTF2)
1.00 (8 votes).....R2-D2 (1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X)
0.75 (8 votes).....R2-D2 with datalink and periscope (1998 POTF2 Freeze Frame)
0.13 (8 votes).....R2-D2 with launching lightsaber (1999 POTF2 Flashback)

Episode I
0.88 (8 votes).....R2-D2 with booster rockets (1999 Episode I)

POTJ
1.25 (8 votes).....R2-D2 (Naboo Escape) (2000 POTJ)

Saga
2.17 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Jabba's Sail Barge) (Saga 2004 #05)
1.50 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Coruscant Sentry) (Saga 2002 #14) - based on 1997 POTF2 Electronic Power F/X
1.33 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Tatooine Mission) (Saga 2004 Hall of Fame) - based on POTJ Naboo Escape figure
1.17 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (silver) (2002 Toys R Us Silver Anniversary Exclusive)
0.83 (6 votes).....2002 Holiday Edition R2-D2 & C-3PO - R2-D2 with antlers
0.17 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Saga 2002 Luke Skywalker's X-Wing Fighter) - Dagobah
0.00 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Droid Factory Flight) (Saga 2003 #09)

OTC
3.17 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (VOTC)
2.00 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (OTC #04) - Dagobah, based on Saga 2002 Coruscant Sentry, but with no middle leg and different sounds

ROTS
3.00 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Early Bird Kit) - based on VOTC without the accessories
1.17 (6 votes).....Remote Control R2-D2 (2005 ROTS Japanese Exclusive)
1.00 (6 votes).....R2-D2 (Droid Attack!) (ROTS #07)

Mad Slanted Powers
07-20-2009, 10:01 PM
Well, on to the Stormtroopers. Hopefully I have all the unique ones. I was working on this a couple weeks ago and haven't revisited it until tonight. Let me know of any others I might have missed. Otherwise, rate the numbered figures listed below according the following scale:

0 - Not worth getting
1 - Not very good, but has some unique or redeeming value to it
2 - A decent figure, but could be or has been done better
3 - A very good figure that is a fine choice if you just want one of this character
4 - One of the better figures of all time


Stormtroopers

1. Stormtrooper (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtStormtrooper.asp)
2. Stormtrooper (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2stormtrooper.asp)
...Stormtrooper (1997 Hong Kong Commemorative Edition Imperial Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/potf2hongkongbad.asp) - repack of 1995 POTF2 with Boba Fett and Darth Vader repacks
3. Crowd Control Stormtrooper (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2dlxstorm.asp)
4. Stormtrooper with Battle Damage (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTstormtrooper.asp)
5. Stormtrooper (2002 Saga Troop Builder Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swstormtrooperset.asp) - Commtech without blast damage
...Stormtrooper (Death Star Chase) (2004 Saga Hall of Fame) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw04HOFstormtrooper.asp) - repack of Saga troop builder
...Stormtrooper (2004 OTC #16) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC16stormtrooper.asp) - repack of Saga troop builder
...Stormtrooper (2004 ROTJ Commemorative Trilogy DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCDVDcollectionROTJ.asp) - repack of Saga troop builder, with Darth Vader and Palpatine
...Stormtrooper (2005 POTC #11) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC05stormtrooperDSA.asp) - repack of Saga troop builder
...Stormtrooper (2005 ROTS Rebel vs. Empire Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPrebelvsempire.asp) - repack of Saga troop builder (legs deformed)
...Stormtrooper (2005 ROTS Imperial Throne Room Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/rots05BPthronerm.asp) - repack of Saga troop builder
...Stormtrooper (2006 TSC Commemorative Episode V DVD Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tscTESBdvd.asp) - repack of Saga Hall of Fame Death Star Chase figure
6. McQuarrie Concept Stormtrooper (2003 Saga #34) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0334McStormtrooper.asp) - Fan's Choice #4
7. Stormtrooper (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03imperialforces.asp) - kitbash of POTJ and Commtech
...Stormtrooper (2004 OTC Darth Vader Carrying Case) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTCcarrycaseVader.asp) - repack of Saga Imperial Forces figure
8. Stormtrooper (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vstorm.asp)
9. 501st Stormtrooper (2006 TSC Comic-Con Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc501ststormtrooper.asp) - VOTC repaint with banner and stand
10. Shadow Stormtrooper (2006 TSC StarWarsShop Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCshadowstormtrooper.asp) - black repaint of VOTC Stormtrooper with silver stand
....Shadow Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Saga Legends) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACSLshadowstorm.asp) - repack of TSC figure
11. Concept Stormtrooper (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC09McStorm.asp) - repaint of Saga 2003 figure
12. Stormtrooper (2007 30th Anniversary #20) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC20storm.asp) - retooled VOTC with removable helmet
13. Governor Tarkin & Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Comic Pack #03) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks03.asp) - repaint of Commtech in comic style
14. Lando Calrissian & Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Wal-Mart Exclusive Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacksWMLCST.asp) - VOTC repaint in comic style
15. Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Capture of Tantive IV Battle Pack (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPtantiveIV.asp)) - clean version of Evolutions Sandtrooper without pauldron
16. Stormtrooper (2007 TAC The Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacUBPendor.asp) - kitbash of TSC Sandtrooper & VOTC Stormtrooper
17. Stormtrooper Commander (2008 TAC GameStop Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUstormcomm.asp) - repaint of TAC #20
....Stormtrooper Commander (2009 SDCC Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tlcTFUstormcomm.asp) - repack of 2008 TAC exclusive
18. Darth Vader & Incinerator Troopers (2008 TAC TFU Commemorative Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUincinerators.asp) - VOTC repaint
19. Emperor Palpatine & Shadow Troopers (2008 TAC TFU Commemorative Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUshadows.asp) - VOTC repaint

sebillba
07-21-2009, 02:11 AM
:cough:vintage:cough:

http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtStormtrooper.asp

Mad Slanted Powers
07-21-2009, 02:58 AM
:cough:vintage:cough:

http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtStormtrooper.asp

Thank you very much. List has been updated.

DarkJedi5
07-21-2009, 10:39 AM
If you're gonna do the TFU commander what about the incinerator troopers and the shadow troopers from the Walmart exclusive set?

http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCTFUincinerators.asp
http://www.rebelscum.com/TLCTFUshadows.asp

Mad Slanted Powers
07-21-2009, 11:30 AM
Okay, I've added those as well, but used the TAC version link since that appears to be their original release. I don't have a TRU so I wouldn't have seen the rerelease of them.

DarkJedi5
07-21-2009, 01:05 PM
Stormtroopers

Stormtrooper (1978 Vintage) – 1 – A point for being the first Stormtrooper figure ever. Actually, it looks better than the POTF2 one in a few ways.
Stormtrooper (1995 POTF2) – 0 – Steroids are bad.
Crowd Control Stormtrooper (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) – 0 – Steroids are still bad, especially if you roll around in ash and have a ridiculous jetpack.
Stormtrooper with Battle Damage (1999 POTF2 Commtech) – 2 – The first good Stormtrooper, this one makes up the bulk of my Stormtrooper units. The pack-in was neat but the blast effect was very weak and never quite worked.
Stormtrooper (2002 Saga Troop Builder Set) – 2 – Didn’t get this one but without the blast damage it’s a plus, without the cool pack-ins it’s a minus so it still breaks at 2.
McQuarrie Concept Stormtrooper (2003 Saga #34) – 2 – Searched high, then searched low. Could not find this figure anywhere. I’m not sorry the TAC version was much better.
Stormtrooper (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) – 0 – Okay, it’s not a bad figure but the positioning of the arms really isn’t good for anything and so I rarely ever use this guy, even if he doesn’t look that bad.
Stormtrooper (2004 VOTC) – 4 – Clearly one of the best Stormtroopers ever made this guy is head and shoulders above the rest.
501st Stormtrooper (2006 TSC Comic-Con Exclusive) – 3 – A neat little nod to the fans who use Star Wars to give back to the community but it doesn’t have a place in my Star Wars collection.
Shadow Stormtrooper (2006 TSC StarWarsShop Exclusive) – 4 – I love this figure. I know the “shadow” concept makes more than a few people gag but this one goes back to the 1979 comics and so for me, that makes it one of the first EU things that didn’t suck. I’m very happy to have a little army of these guys.
Concept Stormtrooper (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #09) – 4 – Just as good as the rest of the concept line. I feel that what appears to be a soft sculpt is really just a good representation of the actual concept artwork.
Stormtrooper (2007 30th Anniversary #20) – 4 – Another great take on the VOTC, the retooled torso allowing the removable helmet paved the way for the Luke and Han in Stormtrooper and the Spacetrooper we got recently. Also, I don’t mind the Jango-headed clones.
Governor Tarkin & Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Comic Pack #03) – 0 – Terrible. The sculpt is out dated and should be retired (I know what I said earlier but I feel there’s no excuse for using an old sculpt when a superior one exists) and the paint makes it totally unusable.
Lando Calrissian & Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Wal-Mart Exclusive Comic Pack) – 0 – Better sculpt than before but he still looks absurd.
Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Capture of Tantive IV Battle Pack) – 3 – It’s fine, but the hole in the back and lame belt are problems resulting from using a Sandtrooper instead of the actual Stormtrooper sculpt.
Stormtrooper (2007 TAC The Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) – 2 – I’m just not sure it’s even possible for Stormtrooper armor to get grass stains. I understand they are trying to tie him into the set but I don’t think the paint was a good idea.
Stormtrooper Commander (2008 TAC GameStop Exclusive) – 0 – While I don’t mind EU I absolutely hate the idea of Hasbro painting and rereleasing Stormtroopers like they’ve done with the clones. I know this is how he looks in the game but I bought hardly any TFU stuff in the first place. Had it still been around after I played the game it might have been different….
Darth Vader & Incinerator Troopers (2008 TAC TFU Commemorative Collection) – 0 – See above about painted Stormtroopers.
Emperor Palpatine & Shadow Troopers (2008 TAC TFU Commemorative Collection) – 0 – See above about painted Stormtroopers. This is even worse because it looks so much dumber than the original Shadow Stromtrooper.

Dice Ibegon
07-22-2009, 04:48 AM
1.Stormtrooper (1978 Vintage) (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtStormtrooper.asp) - 1
2. Stormtrooper (1995 POTF2) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2stormtrooper.asp) - 0
3. Crowd Control Stormtrooper (1996 POTF2 Deluxe) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2dlxstorm.asp) - 0
4. Stormtrooper with Battle Damage (1999 POTF2 Commtech) (http://www.rebelscum.com/POTF2CTstormtrooper.asp) - 2
5. Stormtrooper (2002 Saga Troop Builder Set) (http://www.rebelscum.com/swstormtrooperset.asp) - Commtech without blast damage - 2
6. McQuarrie Concept Stormtrooper (2003 Saga #34) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw0334McStormtrooper.asp) - Fan's Choice #4 - 2
7. Stormtrooper (2003 Saga Imperial Forces Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/sw03imperialforces.asp) - kitbash of POTJ and Commtech - 0
8. Stormtrooper (2004 VOTC) (http://www.rebelscum.com/OTC-Vstorm.asp) - 4
9. 501st Stormtrooper (2006 TSC Comic-Con Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc501ststormtrooper.asp) - VOTC repaint with banner and stand - 3
10. Shadow Stormtrooper (2006 TSC StarWarsShop Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TSCshadowstormtrooper.asp) - black repaint of VOTC Stormtrooper with silver stand - 0
11. Concept Stormtrooper (McQuarrie Signature Series) (2007 30th Anniversary #09) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC09McStorm.asp) - repaint of Saga 2003 figure - 2
12. Stormtrooper (2007 30th Anniversary #20) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC20storm.asp) - retooled VOTC with removable helmet - 3
13. Governor Tarkin & Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Comic Pack #03) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacks03.asp) - repaint of Commtech in comic style - 2
14. Lando Calrissian & Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Wal-Mart Exclusive Comic Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/TACcomicpacksWMLCST.asp) - VOTC repaint in comic style - 4
15. Stormtrooper (2007 TAC Capture of Tantive IV Battle Pack (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacBPtantiveIV.asp)) - clean version of Evolutions Sandtrooper without pauldron - 1
16. Stormtrooper (2007 TAC The Battle of Endor Ultimate Battle Pack) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacUBPendor.asp) - kitbash of TSC Sandtrooper & VOTC Stormtrooper - 2
17. Stormtrooper Commander (2008 TAC GameStop Exclusive) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUstormcomm.asp) - repaint of TAC #20 - 2
18. Darth Vader & Incinerator Troopers (2008 TAC TFU Commemorative Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUincinerators.asp) - VOTC repaint - 3
19. Emperor Palpatine & Shadow Troopers (2008 TAC TFU Commemorative Collection) (http://www.rebelscum.com/tacTFUshadows.asp) - VOTC repaint - 0