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NightCastle
12-08-2009, 05:31 PM
DH, who makes that micro (smaller than the micro machines) ornament of the Defiant that you have?

Darth Duranium
12-08-2009, 06:15 PM
You guys know of any wwebsites that have pics of these ships? I am afraid that I have not really watched beyond season 2 of the original series, but I am a sucker for good ship designs (Sulaco, anyone?)

Sorry, I don't Clone157 but QMX have put out an F-302 Fighter and they're about to release the dreaded "Death Glider" soon. Both are expensive ($85-$115/ea) but pretty nice though. I'd love cheap little versions.

http://www.scifilog.com/redir.cgi?/node/26616

I love the Sulaco too... puts the gun into gunboat diplomacy, huh? The Narcissus, Betty, Dropship, and Derelict Ship are all awesome in my book. Alien had great ships. I've always loved the ships from 2001:ASO too.



DH, who makes that micro (smaller than the micro machines) ornament of the Defiant that you have?

It's a Hallmark from this set:
Pretty amazing for its size, really.

Darth Windu
12-08-2009, 10:16 PM
clone - depends if you're talking Stargate or Star Trek, I'm not sure which.

Anyway try stargate.wikia.com for Stargate, and memory-alpha.org and search for the ship types there. :) Also for BSG try en.battlestarwiki.org

Actually on that, does anyone else think that the ships from Stargate and Battlestar would easily fit together?

Blue2th
12-08-2009, 11:29 PM
Got my Enterprise 09 today from BBTS. Unfortunately the saucer section has 6 large bubbles on the top and 2 on the bottom that look like heat damage or some kind of de-lamination of the plastic.

Has any one seen this problem yet?

Sent them an e-mail asking for a replacement and how to return this one. Hope they oblige.

Other than that, I guess I can live with the details. It definitely looks a little better than the Refit, and is not wonky and crooked. Though the only diecast part of it is about 75% of the secondary hull. The plastic aft section of the right nacelle bends outward and is not straight either.

NightCastle
12-09-2009, 12:52 PM
Though the only diecast part of it is about 75% of the secondary hull. The plastic aft section of the right nacelle bends outward and is not straight either.

If you saw my pictures, Blue2th, it seems that the nacelle issue is not uncommon. Sorry that you got one with a bubbled saucer. Best of luck with the RMA, etc.

DH, thanks for the info.

Size variations aside, which model of the defiant would you say would be most appropriate to hang with the 1/7000 scaled Romando models? (I'm pretty certain it is the ornament I was asking about, but I would like some validation on this certainty)

Darth Duranium
12-09-2009, 03:09 PM
I'll validate that certainty for ya NC... here's a pic of said Defiant with a few Romandos. Hope it helps. The MM and F-Toys ones would be too big for the Romando E.

Blue, I had 5 of those lumps on the top primary hull of my SDCC refit... sounds like the same issue. Thanks for the info on 1/32 scale. I'm still waiting for my Karaoke Cruiser Ent to arrive from BBTS. Frick! I'll let you know if mine's the same... I suspect so.

DW, I'd have to say that I think BSG ships are perfect for the SW Universe; many Stargate ships look more like Babylon 5 or Andromeda to me. Maybe it's the CGI style...

NightCastle
12-09-2009, 04:43 PM
I'll validate that certainty for ya NC... here's a pic of said Defiant with a few Romandos. Hope it helps. The MM and F-Toys ones would be too big for the Romando E.


SWEET!! Thanks!

Blue2th
12-10-2009, 10:10 PM
Blue, I had 5 of those lumps on the top primary hull of my SDCC refit... sounds like the same issue. Thanks for the info on 1/32 scale. I'm still waiting for my Karaoke Cruiser Ent to arrive from BBTS. Frick! I'll let you know if mine's the same... I suspect so.



Yeah they e-mailed me back and said they would replace it if someone's CC gets declined, because as of now they are out of stock.
They said they would check it for bubbles if and when they get one. I think it's heat damage from sitting in a hot warehouse or on the docks in Long Beach.

All good and well, but I'm not holding my breath. I just ordered one from Entertainment Earth. They had them in stock "hot off the truck" so I got one there. If BBTS gets one and sends it I'll have another, or take a credit. I think they said I could keep the defective one too, so that'll be 3. :rolleyes:
Always had good luck with EE. I didn't think I could get one individually, as they are "by the case" sort of sellers.
I don't expect them to last long as they are sold out everywhere else I've checked. So get them while they're (bubbling) hot. :cross-eye

Darth Duranium
12-14-2009, 05:14 PM
My HW Ent XI hasn't arrived after 3 weeks, and BBTS is a little slow on a response. :whip:

Might have to get one from EE too!:upset: Not thrilled about this.

Darth Duranium
12-16-2009, 12:21 AM
Well, after almost a month, my HW Enterprise XI arrived from BBTS... I am pleasantly surprised at how good it is!

I lucked out... got a good one with no bubbles on the primary hull, no weirdly angled saucer or nacelles, and no funky seams on the neck or secondary hull... a nice fit all around. Wow.

Gotta say I'm extremely surprised at how much I like it... it certainly lacks painted detail (almost nothing on the bottom of the ship) and the secondary hull's escape pod is sad (looks like the gas cap from a car)... but it's quite decent otherwise.

The deflector dish and transparent blue bussard collectors look pretty good, and they captured the overall shape of the ship quite well. The saucer's nice and thin and the sculpting's fairly sharp there... I'd give it an 7.5 out of 10. I imagine Hallmark's will blow the hatches off this one but this will do quite nicely until then.:thumbsup:

I hope we get the Narada soon... supposed to be out this month... but I wonder. But damn, I want a Kelvin even more!!!!

Has anyone seen the new Ent on store shelves yet?

NightCastle
12-16-2009, 09:17 AM
Well, after almost a month, my HW Enterprise XI arrived from BBTS... I am pleasantly surprised at how good it is!
...

Has anyone seen the new Ent on store shelves yet?

Glad to see you finally got it and it was a good specimen.

I've been looking, but haven't seen any yet. I will more-than-likely check again this weekend.

nooker21
12-17-2009, 01:02 PM
I finally got a set of the F-Toys models, and my Enterprise D has a weird gap in the neck. Is this endemic to all of the F-Toys molds, or is something missing there?

Darth Duranium
12-17-2009, 01:25 PM
My F-Toys Ent D has a tight seam where the neck meets the secondary hull, but there's no gap whatsoever.

Can you post a pic, Nooker? Should be able to tell if it's normal or not...

nooker21
12-17-2009, 01:44 PM
Here's a pic of the gap:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f124/nooker21/DSCN5773.jpg

Darth Duranium
12-17-2009, 03:54 PM
Jeez Nooker... yours has definitely got a huge gap... it's a pretty tight seam on mine. I've attached a pic so you can see how it should look. Hope it helps...
Hopefully they'll send you another.:thumbsup:

nooker21
12-17-2009, 04:28 PM
Yeah, I cannot figure out how that gap even came to be. It doesn't look like a mold imperfection, as the parts do come together nicely. It almost look like a piece is missing, but from your pic, it is all one molded part. It's just weird...

nooker21
12-17-2009, 04:33 PM
Actually, I think I see the problem. Do they insert a separate piece of the fuselage into the middle before they paint it? If so, it doesn't look like it lined up properly and is thus raised a bit preventing the saucer from coming all the way down. It doesn't look flush compared to yours, but it's still hard to tell from the photo...

Darth Duranium
12-17-2009, 04:59 PM
Here's a few more pics for you, Nooker.

Nope, there's no insert... there's just the 2 pieces (secondary hull and neck) and they should line up flush. It seems to me that the top or bottom piece is clipped on yours... doesn't quite fill the gap... I can't tell which one it is from your photo.

Here's a few more pics of mine for you... maybe we can sort it out.

Darth Duranium
12-17-2009, 05:02 PM
It's definitely the bottom (secondary hull piece) that's been shaved off on yours, sorry to say... I just had a better look.

NightCastle
12-18-2009, 03:05 PM
Nooker, sorry that your F-toys one was a dud. Most of the posters and purchasers (that I have come across) of that model have been smitten with theirs. I think yours has to be that one in a large batch that had a bad molding. I had a similar issue with an Ent Refit from F-toys where one of the nacelles was tilted. I got another for relatively cheap and it was practically perfect.

Speaking of Enterprise D, though, I finally was able to find a few Johnny Lightning models (Sans Cheese) that showed up on that Bay place. I got one and when I received it, I put the stand into place and a very small bit of the paint around the stand chipped, so I went looking for a backup. I found another one that sold very cheap (approx $5 USD) and when I got it, I noticed a difference between it and the first one.

I know that there was a White Lightning released of the cheesy one that was suppose to be all silver, but was there a White Lightning released of the first Enterprise D from Johnny Lightning? The reason I ask and show the pictures is that the first one (shown in the pictures on the left) has a pearlescent sheen to it and the second one I got, has a bluish hue that matches that of the Future Ent D. Did I stumble across a White Lightning Enterprise D?

Darth Windu
12-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Wow bit odd, they both look great anyway NC!

As for the F-toys Ent-D mine lacks the gap as well so yeah must've just gotten a bad one. They are fantastic though, especially the Defiant.

nooker21
12-19-2009, 02:25 AM
I don't know, I'm looking at my secondary hull, and it seems that down the centreline, there is a distinct "step" that your Ent doesn't have. if you take the saucer away, you can even see a small opening on mine. This is real mysterious. I keep thinking that maybe there is acentre bit they put in before they paint it, because if it's assembled properly, you can't even tell the secondary hull is made of two pieces. And I've tried pushing it down to get it to snap into place, but I don't want to force it and break it (it would also potentialy crack the paint). Oh well, all the other ones I received are fine...

Darth Duranium
12-19-2009, 01:15 PM
It's gotta be a mould issue, Nooker... there's only the 2 pieces that join together. Hopefully, they'll send you another Ent D. I like the F-Toys set... and their Ent D's the only one that's "correctly" painted robin's egg blue. Wish the stand didn't block the deflector dish, though that might not be so bad with yours, at the moment anyway.:frus:

Wow NightCastle... that is cool! It's got to be a White Lighting if it has pearlescent paint, but it's different than any WL Ent D I've seen before (all I've seen were silver). The aztecing on the hull is totally different than the regular release... I'm pretty certain it's not just a variation. Congratulations, bro... that is quite an awesome find!!!:thumbsup: Good on ya!

NightCastle
12-19-2009, 06:42 PM
Wow NightCastle... that is cool! It's got to be a White Lighting if it has pearlescent paint, but it's different than any WL Ent D I've seen before (all I've seen were silver). The aztecing on the hull is totally different than the regular release... I'm pretty certain it's not just a variation. Congratulations, bro... that is quite an awesome find!!!:thumbsup: Good on ya!

And to think, all I was wanting was a normal Ent D JL and ended up stumbling upon this. I am definitely happy. It is unfortunate that it has a few pieces that chipped off, but otherwise it is very neat looking.

Thanks DH.

Blue2th
12-21-2009, 02:45 PM
That's gotta be a White Lightning D, probably from wave 3. I don't think JL did the silver ones till later waves. Wow!
I think it's the first time I've ever seen one.
Definitely rare$$.
Nice find Nightcastle. :cool:


Just got my HW 09' Enterprise from EE. Not only does it not have a bubbling saucer, but it came in a nearly mint box too. I applaud EE for that.

Don't know what I'm going to do with the BBTS one except maybe carve the tops of the bubbles, and do some battle damage of my own. The holes will have to be hull breaches I'm thinking. Unless I could make pin holes in the bubbles and try to press them down.

I was looking at all the other ships in Star Trek 2009 during the space station scene and the Kelvin and none of the parts of the other ships look compatible with the Enterprise.

NightCastle
12-21-2009, 04:12 PM
That's gotta be a White Lightning D, probably from wave 3. I don't think JL did the silver ones till later waves. Wow!
I think it's the first time I've ever seen one.
Definitely rare$$.
Nice find Nightcastle. :cool:


Just got my HW 09' Enterprise from EE. Not only does it not have a bubbling saucer, but it came in a nearly mint box too. I applaud EE for that.

Don't know what I'm going to do with the BBTS one except maybe carve the tops of the bubbles, and do some battle damage of my own. The holes will have to be hull breaches I'm thinking. Unless I could make pin holes in the bubbles and try to press them down.

I was looking at all the other ships in Star Trek 2009 during the space station scene and the Kelvin and none of the parts of the other ships look compatible with the Enterprise.

Thanks Blue2th!

Glad to know you finally got a decent 2009 Ent.

Yeah, after rewatching the movie recently, there were not many ships that had similar nacelles or orther parts to the Ent, so kitbashing may be kindof hard.

Darth Duranium
01-06-2010, 01:19 AM
If someone had made a Kelvin, it might have been possible to kitbash it into more "new" fleet ships, I guess. The new Ent sure is a radical departure from the rest.

Thanks to the uber-cool Darth Morpheus, I just got the Hot Wheels KBoP and Reliant... both are much nicer and smaller than I thought they'd be. Lovin' the dangerous wing angles on the BoP and the Reliant's a sharp tool too! I'm glad they fit well on the shelf!

Y'know, after relently bashing the line when it first came out:p, I gotta say that I've grown to like the line a whole lot! The SDCC Refit's a classic example of Lipstick On A Pig, but the others are pretty good! I like their new Ent... and I'm glad it ain't any bigger.

Does anyone have a HW Ent D? How tall is it on the stand, and low long is it front-to-back? Is it worth getting?

Hey... where's our frickin' Narada?:D

clone157
01-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Since this thread has started losing steam, I thought I would ask you guys a question. Which ships are in scale to one another, across all lines, all manufacturers?

Darth Duranium
01-19-2010, 08:17 PM
Since this thread has started losing steam, I thought I would ask you guys a question. Which ships are in scale to one another, across all lines, all manufacturers?

Agreed, the steam level is pretty sad. I do what I can.:D:whip:

Could you be more specific... do you mean Starfleet ships VS Star Wars ships? Or Starfleet ships scaled to each other? Or Enterprises in scale? Need more info...

clone157
01-20-2010, 12:30 AM
I meant amongst Starfleet vessels, or Star Trek vessels in general. I must confess that I really only collect the Starfleet vessels, with a few Klingon exceptions. And my light up Borg Cube.

Darth Windu
01-20-2010, 12:53 AM
Oh just to let everyone know, I've emailed F-toys about any plans for new Star Trek ships (I translated it into Japanese and included the original English too) but haven't received a reply.

Will update if I do get tone.

Darth Duranium
01-20-2010, 06:17 PM
Came across some "Mattel prototypes" on eBay... these were never done, apparently. MM scale. Looks legit to me.

Up for auction is a one of a kind prototype USS Defiant NX-74205 model and base from the show Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The model was created at Mattel back in 2003 as a potential licensing direction for Hot Wheels. This was part of a pitch long before Hot Wheels eventually went forward with their current line of 7” diecast ships. The actual patterns came from scanning in competitive Star Trek ship models and then digitally outputting SLA prototype models. The model ship you are bidding on is the actual SLA ship and not a casting made of resin. It is 45mm long and 33mm wide. No molds were ever made. A small casting of a Star Trek-type stand was created and this is how it was presented to upper Mattel management. The scale and size is very similar to the old Micro Machines line and was meant to fit into the standard 1/64 scale Hot Wheels packaging. The mock package that was created is long since gone. Comes with a full letter of provenance from the Mattel Hot Wheels designer. This is a very rare item that never went forward to production.


Nice one, DW... good luck with F-Toys!

OK Clone157... I'll take a swing at scaled Enterprises, for what it's worth!

NX- F-Toys (possibly Romando)
1701 - JL or F-Toys
1701 Refit - JL or F-Toys
1701-A - JL
1701-B - Konami or Furuta
1701-C - Furuta (no other options)
1701-D - Corgi (twice the length of JL TOS Ent)
1701-E - Hallmark (yeah it's too small... the AMT model (3 Ent set) one's a better size)... the cancelled Corgi E would have been great
2009 Ent - Mattel

What do youzes think?

Darth Duranium
01-20-2010, 08:12 PM
Last shot...

Darth Windu
01-20-2010, 11:39 PM
Nice find DH. They don't look too bad, would've been interesting to see a finished version.

NightCastle
01-22-2010, 04:57 PM
OK Clone157... I'll take a swing at scaled Enterprises, for what it's worth!

NX- F-Toys (possibly Romando)
1701 - JL or F-Toys
1701 Refit - JL or F-Toys
1701-A - JL
1701-B - Konami or Furuta
1701-C - Furuta (no other options)
1701-D - Corgi (twice the length of JL TOS Ent)
1701-E - Hallmark (yeah it's too small... the AMT model (3 Ent set) one's a better size)... the cancelled Corgi E would have been great
2009 Ent - Mattel

What do youzes think?

Clone157 have you looked at the Romando line? They all have 1:7000 scaled relationships and I think they are all relatively well scalled to each other except the miranda class seems a little large. that scale is a bit on the small side though. The Romando line, however, does have a chase 1:7000 scaled Deep Space Nine that I think is well proportioned to the ships.

Darth Windu
01-23-2010, 12:43 AM
I'd love to get my hands on one of those DS9's :(

Actually the Romando Enterprise-E is an almost perfect fit for the Micro Machines line. Little bit bigger than the MM Ent-E, but far far far better detailing.

clone157
01-23-2010, 09:11 PM
I saw most of the Remondos posted on ebay before christmas, but I haven't found a job in 2 years, and couldn't afford them. I love their Ent E with removable bridge. I want to ask, if working backwards from the AA Ent E, what would that scale question look like?

Darth Windu
01-25-2010, 06:18 AM
Well the playmates Ent-D is to scale with the AA Ent-E, no idea about the AA Ent-D. Also the Furuta Defiant is roughly to scale with the AA Ent-E, but not sure on any others.

NightCastle
01-25-2010, 02:35 PM
Oh yeah, and I think the MM Enterprise C might be a close fit to the scale of the Romandos. Sorry, forgot to mention it.

I remembered seeing a post in one of these forums that showed the scale of the Furuta Defiant relative to the AA Ent E and I thought it was a pretty decent representation. so, if you want, feel free to go looking for it among the non-star wars / star trek ships forums.

clone157, best of luck in your search for a job.

Darth Duranium
01-25-2010, 10:28 PM
That scale is a bit on the small side though. The Romando line, however, does have a chase 1:7000 scaled Deep Space Nine that I think is well proportioned to the ships.

Agreed, it's a pretty small scale. They're not exactly heavy-duty either! Still, the Romandos have nice detailing and paint... and I agree, they are in scale. Sorta. I forgot about that line as a set though I've got 'em.:cross-eye BTW, there's 2 Ent E's... one regular and one dark.

I've got their DS9 but it suffers from excessive bendiness out of the box. It is a nice size and fairly well-detailed, though. It's not a truly a "chase" ship because you get most of the individual pieces of it with the ships... a pylon here, a docking port there. Hallmark's is nicer and a lot more rigid, IMO.

Has anybody picked up the Hot Wheels Battle Damaged reboot Enterprise? I've got one in the mail... think it might end up as a rarity.

Has anybody seen the HW BD KBoP yet? I can't detect any difference in the ship's paint from the pics I've seen. Is "Bounty" written on it?


clone157, best of luck in your search for a job. Agreed! My best to you too. Just to torture you a little more:), here's some pics of the Roms.

clone157
01-25-2010, 10:42 PM
Great pics! Anyone know where the Playmates DS9 fits in the scale question? Thanks for the good wishes guys!

Darth Duranium
01-25-2010, 11:17 PM
No worries!

It's probably about twice the diameter of the Romando... much larger. It would suit the JL sized ships better than any other, I'd think.

NightCastle
01-26-2010, 09:04 AM
Just to torture you a little more:), here's some pics of the Roms.


Hey DH, did you touch up your Romando DS9? It looks like it has been through a few battles.:yes:

Darth Duranium
01-26-2010, 05:03 PM
No actually, it's just a lousy old pic with way oversaturated colour. It's really quite a bit lighter and cleaner-looking than in the pic, but the flash washed out all the detail so I had to darken it down a lot in P-shop. Agreed, from the pic, it looks like DS9 has been duking it out with a Dominion fleet!

It's in a box... I really should reassemble it and add it to my shelf 'o ships again. And take a better picture, huh?;)

Y'know, darkening it down (maybe with a light colour wash) is a good idea!

Darth Duranium
01-28-2010, 10:10 PM
Came across these on eBay... seem legit. Some interesting choices, especially the "early Romulan ship" and Hawking.:thumbsup:

The last one's (Pralor) a sketch done for Voyager, supposedly by Sternbach.

ThePainkiller
01-31-2010, 08:56 PM
Anyone know of a ~1/1500 scale of the Original Enterprise? TMP or Series. Im trying to match one up with my AA Ent-E and A Ent-D?

ThePainkiller
01-31-2010, 09:03 PM
So I took a chance on a JJprise Micro Machine on eBay. I figured it was going to be a custom as I didnt know any ships in this scale were out for STXI.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/EASportsRacer13/photo-16.jpg

When I got it, my thoughts were confirmed until...I flipped it over.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e306/EASportsRacer13/photo-15.jpg

On the underside of the saucer was an iridecsent Aztec pattern. Its barely visible in the pic, but its honestly amazing. The patterns are less than a mm apart. This led me to believe its not a custom. Also it has a stamp Registered trademark to CBS and says 2009 B.F.I. China. Does anyone know what this is or where it came from?

Also it has some imperfections. Atop the primary hull on either side of the rear sensor/deflector knob are two "putty" blemishes. They are also on the underside of the saucer and on each side of the "neck" of the stardrive section. Its made of firm plastic, harder than normal MMs.

Darth Duranium
02-01-2010, 12:05 AM
Hi Painkiller and welcome to the forum.

Pretty sure that JJ-Prise is a custom mod of the keychain...going for $6 on eBay (I paid the same last summer), though I've seen custom mods of them going for crazy prices. Somebody puttied up the holes, and drilled a new hole for a MM stand. I must get around to doing that someday... the holes are a bit much. Here's my old post.

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=684721&postcount=239

Agreed, cool laser etching (I guess) on the bottom of the saucer. I think it's pretty good for its size... perfect for MM. Pretty tight sculpting.

I'd suggest the 40th Ann. Corgi TOS Enterprise as a good candidate for your AA Ent E. This list might help, but it's not all that accurate or complete:

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/Trekscales.cfm

The JJ-Prise (a.k.a. The Karaoke Cruiser) that came with Target Blu-Ray disc might work well at 1/1500, too. Not sure about a refit Ent, though.

There's loads of comparison pics further back in the 2 Trek ship threads...

Darth Duranium
02-03-2010, 04:59 PM
My "Battle Damaged" HW Karaoke Cruiser Edselprise arrived today... here's a comparison pic. It might turn out to be a rare one... haven't seen many out there and the HW line's apparently ending. I like it... pretty decent replica. Can't wait for Hallmark's, though.

Looks like the Saratoga (Reliant repaint) got the axe. The Narada's already dead. :cry: Sad. Would have killed for a Kelvin.

Has anybody seen the Battle Damaged "Bounty" KBoP yet? Wondering about the paintjob...

clone157
02-03-2010, 07:46 PM
Here in the ATX we have not seen the wave with the new ent. The only stores I have seen to even carry the line (by the way, I go to 6 wal-marts, 5 Targets, and 2 TRUs every week or so) was Target. After the clearance of the figures, I have not seen any of the ships at all, much less either of these 2 waves. I didn't even know about the battle damaged versions. Anyone know if these are carried by places like Spencer's or Hot Topic? I usually avoid the malls like the plague.

Darth Duranium
02-09-2010, 12:28 AM
I just came across the Target (Best Buy here) Star Trek XI blu-ray that came with the Enterprise model. On eBay, they're going for over $50!
I can't believe it's double its original price already! WTF? Glad I got one early. The same thing happened with the Blade Runner set that came with the Police Spinner.

Darth Windu
02-09-2010, 08:01 AM
I'm still after the Hot Wheels 09 Enterprise. Cheapest I can find is AUD$30.

Darth Duranium
02-10-2010, 07:55 PM
Is that on store shelves or on eBay? I've never heard a report of them turning up at retail anywhere.
They were going for $15 on eBay last week, but I don't know if they'd ship outside the US. It's a hassle sometimes... I feel your pain.

Darth Windu
02-11-2010, 01:54 AM
Yeah that's through eBay. They've never (the entire line) popped up in Australia that I'm aware of, and unfortunately a lot of US sellers, including e-stores, charge an exorbitant amount to ship to Australia.

Darth Duranium
02-11-2010, 06:04 AM
It really ****es me off when stores decide to triple the postage costs simply because they have to fill out a customs dec. Though, I must admit that a lot of online retailers have improved greatly over the past year or so... I was stuck with eBay exclusively in the past. If I can help out, lemme know DW.

I've never seen the new Ent at stores here, but the first HW wave did show up a local comic shop for the ridiculous price of $25/ea. Puh-leeze.

I came across an interesting proto today on eBay... it's a leggy JL Voyager.

Star Trek USS Voyager with Landing Gear Tooling Model

The Johnny Lightning: Legends of Star Trek line of collectible starships is one of the most detailed ever released in it's scale. (Or any scale for that matter.) As the lead designer of the line, I designed every detail of this ship through careful and meticulous measurement of original models and reference. While I was designing the Voyager, I thought it would be cool to make a variant (which later became a regular release) that included the Voyager's landing gear. This is the tooling model that I approved for production. From the model, metal molds or "tools" were created to mass produce this ship which was released in 2007. Paramount was so happy with this line that they have used it as a benchmark for every other Star Trek release since.

There is only one of these prototypes in existence. In fact, you can see that the detail on this model is just a hair sharper than the final production pieces. For years, it was proudly displayed on my desk inside a protective display case as a pinnacle of my toy design career.

It does look sharper than the production model... deeper sculpting. Kinda cool.

I miss Johnny Lightning. :cry:

Darth Duranium
02-11-2010, 07:02 AM
I was just checking out the rest of the HW "Battle-Damaged" wave... I think I'll leave it at the new BD Ent, unless they really drop in price.

Darth Duranium
03-14-2010, 09:59 PM
I removed my SDCC Ent Refit from its case... easy peasy: 1 screw and it pops out. I'm gonna put a light-up Hallmark Enterprise into the drydock, and replace the Hot Wheels insert artwork at some point.

So, here's some pics of the ship, some from angles you can't normally see:


Terrible sculpting, lousy paint... the HW refit is pretty frickin' bad, IMO. Well, at least it sits fine on an unmodified Johnny Lightning stand so it fits on my shelf now.

I do like the black deflector, simply because it's different than the rest, though yellow would have been good, too.

BTW, someone is selling all 4 of the first HW ships for $25 on eBay right now... a good deal... but don't say I didn't warn ya about the abysmal refit. :D

Blue2th
03-16-2010, 08:54 PM
That is pretty sad looking Refit DH. The close ups just confirmed it for me. I still haven't bought one, don't plan on it.

Ever seen a one billionth scale Enterprise?
Now that's small scale: ;)
http://www.nerdesque.com/2010/03/09/ion-enterprise/

Darth Duranium
03-17-2010, 07:02 PM
Hey Blue! Where you been? Hope you're feeling better.
I don't blame you for skipping that refit... Mattel really blew it. Glad I got it cheap but I'd probably skip it too, given a second chance. Well, at least I can feel some satisfaction that by posting pics of it, I've probably cost Mattel a few more sales. :D

That billionth-scale Enterprise is the most fantastic waste of scientific ability I've seen in a long time! It is a new pinnacle of geekdom.

Maybe Beverly Crusher has a shelving unit that will fit a nano-sized starship collection.

Here's another geek device below... might just have to get me one in silver.

http://www.slashphone.com/media/data/796/spaceship-phone-1.jpg

I've read that a lot of scientists are working on producing tiny satellites and probes these days... wonder if they'll ever get nano-small. And William Gibson was always talking about nanite machines creating buildings by themselves... powered by quantum computers. Just a matter of time, I guess.

Blue2th
03-17-2010, 08:28 PM
Hey DH, been hanging out at SSG when I can, though busy working in Santa Fe at a high end body shop. Pays the bills ok, but puts an hour on each end of the day for commute.

Yeah like Wesley Crusher's Nanites huh? Life imitates art. Kinda cool the possibilities.

Pretty cool lookin' phone. Kinda retro, kinda modern.

Hasn't been much to buy lately, so filling the gaps in my 21st Century Toys 1:32 plane collection is all, though I better get a Diamond Ex. Enterprise D before they disappear.

Guess the only thing in ST small scale to look forward to is the Hallmark Enterprise. :ermm:

clone157
03-17-2010, 10:44 PM
Went to my local toy store today and saw the new SCEA Protector from Galaxyquest. I thought it looked okay, but was not ready for the size. I was hoping for Action Fleet size, but it is almost as big as some of the AA Trek ships. Now I understand the $40 price tag.

Darth Duranium
03-18-2010, 05:20 PM
You hit it on the head, C157... nice but way too big, IMO. I wish they'd done a small pre-painted one.
Minimodelmadness has a Johnny Lightning-sized garage kit resin Protector but it'd be a lot of work... maybe I'll pick one up someday. Never give up, never surrender! :)

Came across a Johnny Lightning prototype Borg Cube on eBay... cool but I wouldn't pay the $100+ asking price for it. Interesting that the base is red...

Darth Windu
03-19-2010, 08:20 AM
Wow, didn't realise anyone made toys from Galaxy Quest. Very much a niche market I'd think, which generally means expensive.

Still want an Akira though. Why can't anyone make an Akira in a decent size?!?!?!

JediTricks
03-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Ever seen a one billionth scale Enterprise?
Now that's small scale: ;)
http://www.nerdesque.com/2010/03/09/ion-enterprise/Awesome find. What a lazy model builder, looks more like the Ent C. :D


Went to my local toy store today and saw the new SCEA Protector from Galaxyquest. I thought it looked okay, but was not ready for the size. I was hoping for Action Fleet size, but it is almost as big as some of the AA Trek ships. Now I understand the $40 price tag.Oh? I hadn't heard of this piece, that might be worth getting. I'm reading that it's a model kit that's pre-built and has a removable bridge ship. Is that the same one?

Darth Duranium
03-22-2010, 05:36 PM
Yep JT, it's the same one. By Grabthar's hammer... if I collected AA size, I'd get one for sure. :)

Came across an Ertl test shot of the Ent D on eBay. Aside from the coloured resin, the clear deflector is missing the ridges...

clone157
03-22-2010, 11:36 PM
Yeah, the Galaxy Quest line is up for perusal at BBTS. But it is hard to get a sense of scale. There is this piece a model version and a pack with their blaster and communicator.

Darth Duranium
03-30-2010, 09:50 PM
Just came across these in an auction. Apparently, like me, they occasionally dock at Starbase Heineken. :D

Not excited about the Ent D but I kinda like the Voyager, despite the dark blue paint and weird-looking bridge. The reserve looks scary and 45 quid shipping puts each of them well out of my price range for such things.

I think someone will pay a lot for them, though. Don't see them often.

"The Ships of Star Trek by 'Legends in 3 Dimensions'

Modellers Greg Aronowitz & Ron Mendell captured the beauty and power of the Ships of Star Trek. Each piece is made of cold cast resin, hand painted to capture every detail of the ships. This beautiful master-crafted collectible is accompanied by a numbered Certificate of Authenticity."

Darth Duranium
03-30-2010, 09:53 PM
More pics...

Darth Duranium
03-30-2010, 09:54 PM
The rest.....

Darth Windu
03-31-2010, 04:49 AM
Not bad, but they've gone far too heavy on weathering and not enough on detailed painting. I'd probably still pass at $20 or so.

Darth Duranium
04-02-2010, 11:18 PM
Finished off my Romulan Valdore from Nemesis... it's a resin garage kit from Minimodelmadness. Sorry about the washed-out flash pics from my abysmal camera... honestly, it looks much better in real life. Anyhoo, you'll get the general gist :ninja::

JediTricks
04-11-2010, 10:44 PM
Yep JT, it's the same one. By Grabthar's hammer... if I collected AA size, I'd get one for sure. :)Cool, thanks for the info!


Not bad, but they've gone far too heavy on weathering and not enough on detailed painting. I'd probably still pass at $20 or so.Agreed.


Finished off my Romulan Valdore from Nemesis... it's a resin garage kit from Minimodelmadness. Sorry about the washed-out flash pics from my abysmal camera... honestly, it looks much better in real life. Anyhoo, you'll get the general gist :ninja::Not bad. The outriggers are something I didn't expect though, they're pretty big when looking from the front, I didn't remember that at all from the movie design.

Darth Duranium
04-13-2010, 05:46 PM
Not bad. The outriggers are something I didn't expect though, they're pretty big when looking from the front, I didn't remember that at all from the movie design.

Yup, they're there, but the garage kit's pontoons are way too beefy.

These renders are from John Eaves' site.

JediTricks
04-13-2010, 06:42 PM
Thanks, that's exactly what I thought. Boy, that ship is so thin, even as a realization of the Star Trek 3 Bird of Prey concept being Romulan, this is a narrow design.

Darth Windu
04-14-2010, 05:20 AM
I quite like the Valdore actually, very nice ship. The garage kit looks nice, but again, too pricey. Just a pity that companies like Romando with their near Micro Machine scale stopped producing ST ships.

Darth Duranium
04-22-2010, 12:43 AM
Thanks DW. Actually, the kit was only $12 direct from MMM (not through eBay) so it wasn't buku bucks. I've got their addy if you want it.
I'd love a Romulan shuttle or Reman Scimitar too.

Darth Duranium
04-26-2010, 09:27 PM
I've had the JL Ent Refit for about 5 years. While dusting yesterday, I noticed that it's actually a White Lightning. As you can see, it's a ridiculously subtle difference for Series 2: it's got a tiny pearl Starfleet insignia on the secondary hull.

Still, a nice surprise. It pays to check your Series 2 ships! ;)

JL Series Two: Red Alert
- USS Enterprise NCC-1701 refit
- USS Enterprise NCC-1701 refit with battle damage from Star Trek II: TWOK
- USS Enterprise NCC-1701 with battle damage
- "Cloaked" Klingon D7 Battle cruiser
- USS Reliant with battle damage from Star Trek II: TWOK
- Enterprise NX-01 with battle damage from "Azati Prime"

BTW, I picked up 2 "proper" White Lightnings over the last few weeks... the Galileo and Reliant. Paid less than $10 each... I just love the war of attrition that is eBay!

clone157
04-26-2010, 09:40 PM
Can I get a cc on that addy? I need some more Romulan and Klingon vessels for my fleets. Why cant a company pick up the rights from the MMORPG? I've been seeing some great designs from some of my friends.

Darth Duranium
04-27-2010, 10:55 AM
Can I get a cc on that addy? I need some more Romulan and Klingon vessels for my fleets. Why cant a company pick up the rights from the MMORPG? I've been seeing some great designs from some of my friends.

PM sent.

I can only imagine how much a license to make Trek ships would cost! I'm amazed that Federation Models and their various garage kit makers seem to be going strong after so many years.
Minimodelmadness are generally much cheaper than FM but they were forced to take their own site down, I reckon. They're still lurking on eBay though (seller: gwl2817).

Not that LFL and their team of lawyers are any better... actually, they seem even worse. LFL slapped Anigrand Models and their U.S. distributors with a C&D recently. :ninja:

JediTricks
04-28-2010, 07:27 PM
Dang, that is super subtle on the White Lightning. I just checked, mine does not have it. :(

Darth Duranium
04-29-2010, 09:57 AM
Yeah, I've got the whole wave and only one was a WL... but I wasn't expecting any of them to be WLs so I was quite pleased.
The rest of the WLs from other waves are a lot easier to identify, if you've been lucky enough to score any.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-26-2010, 04:03 PM
Thanks DW. Actually, the kit was only $12 direct from MMM (not through eBay) so it wasn't buku bucks. I've got their addy if you want it.
I'd love a Romulan shuttle or Reman Scimitar too.

Hey, Darth, been on "Hiatus." Nice to be among Trek friends again.

Can I get that addy, too. Do they do business online?

Thanks!

Darth Duranium
05-26-2010, 06:50 PM
Hey Spec,
Thought you'd disappeared into the spectral world for good!
PM sent.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2010, 12:21 PM
Hey Spec,
Thought you'd disappeared into the spectral world for good!
PM sent.


Nah, just been real busy at work and at home (still trying to catch up). My interest kinda waned as a result. Glad to be back. Hope to perk things up again for myself in the hobby. Don't know if any exciting new ships have come out in the past few months. I have a lot of catching up to do. Thanks for the PM. Will look into it.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2010, 06:47 PM
Finished off my Romulan Valdore from Nemesis... it's a resin garage kit from Minimodelmadness. Sorry about the washed-out flash pics from my abysmal camera... honestly, it looks much better in real life. Anyhoo, you'll get the general gist :ninja::

Beautiful job painting this, Darth. I just realized these don't come painted. What kind of paints do you use, if you don't mind me asking? Do you airbrush and then add in the small details with a small brush? I'd love to get this, too. Gotta figure out how I'm gonna paint it, though.

Darth Windu
05-27-2010, 10:47 PM
Don't know if any exciting new ships have come out in the past few months.
No, none at all, let alone any that are exciting. The whole scene is pretty dead.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-28-2010, 01:36 PM
No, none at all, let alone any that are exciting. The whole scene is pretty dead.

Sad. We need another motion picture to get the manufacturing juices flowing again.

Were there any decent ships from the last movie, besides the HW Ent? I've kinda been out of the loop.

Darth Duranium
05-28-2010, 07:25 PM
Glad to see you back, Spec. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the kind words about my Valdore. Actually, it was a pain in the arse to sand, paint, and assemble, like most resin garage kits.

Here's a page that shows the right way to do all that stuff.
http://actionfleetunlimited.com/techniques.html
The dude (Unreality) really knows his stuff, and I recommend his galleries.

Then there's my method! I still use WM spray primer (a must) and enamel spray paint but now I use it in the airbrush, not directly out of the spray can. Then I mask around the warp engines etc. with Tamiya tape and airbrush or hand-paint them. Last, I use ink washes to darken or flatten detail areas.

I'm still not happy with the 6 light green "domes" on the top hull... I just couldn't paint 6 perfectly round dark green circles in the centre of them. And believe me, I tried. So frickin' tiny! I'm gonna try a green Sharpie one of these days or see if I can find decals... unless somebody has a better idea.

I agree with DW: there's been very little new product in the small spaceship universe lately... for any franchise. The only small Trek line that's still in production is Hallmark... and that's 1 ship a year. Still, their new Ent's out in July, apparently. Can't wait!

There were a few other JJ Ents besides the 2 Hot Wheels Ents: the MM-sized keyring, the Target Blu-Ray disc holder (quite nice), the big Playmates one, the small Amazon QMX one ($$$), and the huge QMX one ($$$$$$$). Burger King did a pretty decent shuttle which I have yet to finish modding. That's about it.

I wonder: is our little starship niche too small to survive in these economic times? It would sure seems so!

clone157
05-30-2010, 11:11 PM
So I just popped in Starfleet Command in my pc and I sooo wish that someone would look at the ships that have been created just for the different video games. between these designs and those in the new MMORPG, you can make a whole new fleet of ships. I wonder if you would have to pay for two licenses to make those.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-31-2010, 12:45 PM
Darth, I bought the Valdore along with the Andorian Cruiser (haven't got them yet). Gail sent me a price list via email, w/ the Valdore @ $20, but I got it from her Ebay @ $15. The Andorian ship was $10.

I'm gonna be hard pressed to bring them to life, though. If it was a challenge for you w/ your experience...

Thanks for that link, and your tips. I assume you glue the thing together first, then prime and paint. I like the idea of using washes to bring out detail areas. I even wonder, for people like me who have no experience w/ the air brush, if after spraying lightly w/ a spray-can primer, using a few layers of light washes to build up the basic color in subtle shades might be effective. I just don't think I'll be able to make the time and $$ commitment for the airbrushing panoply. By the way, what is "WM" spray primer?

Decals would probably be the way to go for those little circles, if you can find the right size. Or maybe you can use the head of a small finish nail or wire brad or a pin as a stamp to dab a tiny amount of paint. Would be hard to center the circle exactly, though. How tiny are those domes, 1/16" - 1/8" in diameter? http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/romulan/battlecruiser_valdore.jpg

I haven't looked into the HW line lately. I do have their 1st Ent from the movie. And i have the Blu-Ray disc holder one from Target. Haven't assembled it yet, though. :sad:


I wonder: is our little starship niche too small to survive in these economic times? It would sure seems so!

You would think the opposite would hold true, since many people may not be able to afford a collection of larger scale ships. For the most part, small scale is pretty affordable, I'd say. (although not as affordable as prior to the '09 movie.) And I imagine there are enough nerdy trekkies out there to wanna partake of the hobby. Where else can you amass such a fabulous fleet as in the small-scale universe?

Darth Windu
06-01-2010, 07:43 AM
You would think the opposite would hold true, since many people may not be able to afford a collection of larger scale ships. For the most part, small scale is pretty affordable, I'd say. (although not as affordable as prior to the '09 movie.) And I imagine there are enough nerdy trekkies out there to wanna partake of the hobby. Where else can you amass such a fabulous fleet as in the small-scale universe?
I'd assume the same thing, but alas it's not so. After all, if it were true then the Star Wars 3 3/4-inch scale vehicles would be shelved and the Titaniums would still be in production.

To me, small-scale ships are the best as you get to display a lot of them; they're cheaper; and you can get a much larger range. Go figure.

Anyway I've submitted a question to DST regarding their electronic ship line, will let you guys know if I get a reply.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-01-2010, 05:35 PM
OK, I thought I knew this a while back but I'm now a little unsure:

How many Konami Star Trek volumes were produced? Just the one, right? And the Konami Klingon Battlercruiser in the lot is the K’t’inga class; with a special re-release of the same thing but with the ST logo as an addition to the base, right?

So, the Ebay seller offering the Battlecruiser “A” ( http://cgi.ebay.com/Konami-SF-Movie-Star-Trek-Klingon-Battle-Cruiser-/390200233425?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad9bf0dd1 ) and the other one selling the Konami "D-7" ( http://cgi.ebay.com/Konami-Star-Trek-KLINGON-D-7-CLASS-BATTLE-CRUISER-/330436927384?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cef935f98 ) are selling the same thing, even though the latter is NOT a D-7 but a K’t’inga... right? Everyone still with me and awake?

I suspect that there were only 2 Konami Klingon Battlecruisers produced, both K’t’inga class.

clone157
06-01-2010, 10:40 PM
I think they are the same thing, just with different names that the sellers put on them. BTW, check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-New-Constellation-Class-Ship-3-resin-kit-/370390180274?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item563cf9a1b2
and this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-New-Agripa-class-cruiser-3-inch-resin-/370328101190?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5639466146
Thes are pretty cool, not the best sculpts, but they aren't the worst I've seen. These guys have a few other interesting things as well, especially from Battlestar.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-02-2010, 12:03 AM
I think they are the same thing, just with different names that the sellers put on them. BTW, check this out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-New-Constellation-Class-Ship-3-resin-kit-/370390180274?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item563cf9a1b2
and this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-New-Agripa-class-cruiser-3-inch-resin-/370328101190?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item5639466146
Thes are pretty cool, not the best sculpts, but they aren't the worst I've seen. These guys have a few other interesting things as well, especially from Battlestar.

Hmm, the sculpts would require some gettin' used to; pretty rough and tumble. Interesting, but too stylized and Lego-like for my taste. Almost like fugitives from a bizarro, pseudo-parallel universe; they should be painted dark grey with glowing red eyes... I mean lights. :squareeye Perfect for gamers, I reckon. The metal Klingon escort fleet looks much better—but man, they're tiny: http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-Klingon-escort-fleet-Unpainted-/370324644624?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item563911a310

Darth Windu
06-02-2010, 12:07 AM
Spec - absolutely correct. Konami only made the K'tinga-class, NEVER the D-7.

clone - hmm I have to admit, that Stargate BC-304 is mighty tempting, though expensive. I've wanted a mini of that ship for a while now...

Darth Duranium
06-02-2010, 05:50 AM
Yep, just 1 volume of Konami and F-Toys. Pretty much the same with HW and Corgi... they just repainted wave 1 and called 'em wave 2. JL and Furuta scaled back their waves at the end, too. Playmates' mini-ship line was stillborn. Not so encouraging. Well, Hallmark keeps carrying on, so that much is cool.

That's right, there are 2 different BASES that are supplied with the Konami "Klingon Battle Cruiser" (agreed, a K'tinga)... 1 is the "rare" chase variant. Whoop-de-frickin'-doo, huh? The ship's identical so I didn't bother with the chase base. There's an identical Konami Enterprise E with a different "chase" stand, too. I did pick up the Konami KBoP 'cuz it's a unique ship! Does anyone give a rat's arse about the stand?

I'm pretty meh on those minis that clone157 posted, gotta say. I've been tempted by their Kelvin but I haven't been able to pull the trigger... a bit too roughly hewn, methinks. The dude that Spec posted sells ships as "FASA-like" on eBay and there are a few (like the Ent J) that I've considered... but I haven't bought any yet. Has anybody else? Some look a decent size.

Spec, I painted the Valdore before assembly... I think you'll find out that to do otherwise would make painting impossible, due to the hull arrangement. Nice get, BTW... happy to help! The Andorian ship should be cool, too. I picked up their Botany Bay for $6... it's unpainted in the pics below but it's assembled before painting, obviously.

The only real difference I've found between spray paint and airbrush paint is that the airbrush gives you (much) better control of the amount of paint you lay down. That's important with garage kits because the details aren't deeply etched in, but so long as you lightly prime and paint holding the spray can FAR away you'll do fine.
The Valdore's wings are particularly lightly etched, detail-wise so I'd advise major caution there.
My general advice: Tamiya tape's great for masking off stuff like the warp engines, but don't let it dry out too long before you paint or the paint bleeds. My ink wash is just india ink and alcohol, both from the dollar store... go light at first and build up colour. Buy a good (expensive) fine detail brush... makes a huge difference. I like flat enamel paint (lacquer for metallics) and $1.44 Wal-mart (WM) "Color Place" grey primer. I used 2-step epoxy for assembly but Krazy Glue gel would be fine, too.

BTW, John Eaves' site has amazing ref shots here:
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/valdore-o-rama/

Those green domes are really tiny, Spec... I think I'm gonna try it with a fine-tipped green Sharpie real soon, unless I can find some decals (doubtful)... I'll let you know if it works. Good luck with yours.

Good luck with DST, DW. :thumbsup: I wish they did small ships.

BTW, I love this site (thanks Drexfiles):
http://nimoysunsetpie.tumblr.com/
It's pretty warped. ;)

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-02-2010, 05:03 PM
Much obliged, Darth. I too considered that Botany Bay from gwl2817, but since I have the MM one—painted—I passed it up.

Yeah, you gotta love that valdore-o-rama! Beauty-full!


So, as of now, here's the meat n' potatoes of my wants to "complete" my fleet of Ent-based ships:

1701-D Future (JL-R3)
Galileo II (JL-R5)
Grissom (Fur)
Stargazer (Fur)
Orbital Shuttle (MM)
Vulcan Command (HM '04)
Klingon B'Cruiser-K't'inga Class (Konami or HM '09, still can't decide)
Klingon Battleship/Cruiser-Negh'Var Class (MM)
Romulan Scout (MM)
Cardassian Destroyer (Fur)

Wish that I could find all these in one place, with FREE shipping! :lipsrsealed:

And then there are Ebayers (http://www.starbaseavalon.com/star-trek-micro-machines-klingon/ (http://myworld.ebay.com/o.c.p.101/)) who sell a bunch o' "MM-like" kit-bash ships—mostly Klingon, and too much $$$—that I'll have to look at more closely and research for accuracy. Most of them I've never heard of; like the Klingon Command ship: http://compare.ebay.com/like/250640580535?var=lrgimg&sort=BestMatch that I could not find online, save for this which looks like a different ship altogether: http://starfleetcommand3.filefront.com/screenshots/File/25556/1

Are these kit-bashes based on the Trek universe as we know it or are they completely fan-based concoctions?

Darth Windu
06-02-2010, 11:12 PM
From having a quick look, I'd say the majority are complete fanon. The Je'Hadar Cruiser and Breen Warship look legit, but the others have never appeared in any Star Trek series or film.

Darth Duranium
06-04-2010, 12:56 AM
So, as of now, here's the meat n' potatoes of my wants to "complete" my fleet of Ent-based ships:

1701-D Future (JL-R3)
Galileo II (JL-R5)
Grissom (Fur)
Stargazer (Fur)
Orbital Shuttle (MM)
Vulcan Command (HM '04)
Klingon B'Cruiser-K't'inga Class (Konami or HM '09, still can't decide)
Klingon Battleship/Cruiser-Negh'Var Class (MM)
Romulan Scout (MM)
Cardassian Destroyer (Fur)

...Are these kit-bashes based on the Trek universe as we know it or are they completely fan-based concoctions?

Luckily enough for you Spec, most of your M&P list should be fairly cheap on eBay (under $10/ea), excepting the Future D, HM KBC (my favourite KBC), and maybe the Stargazer. Yeah, shipping's another matter... don't imagine that 1 seller's gonna have them all, unless you find an astoundingly great eBay lot. Good hunting.

I agree with DW about that garage kit stuff... most are ships designed for gaming so many are pretty distant from the blessed sacred canon. Amen. Still, fleet variety is nice and it's not like Paramount didn't slice and dice (Slapchop?) ships too. Yeager anyone?

I'm told that Titanium/JL scale has become much more popular (than MM scale) with gamers these days... this is good news as far as I'm concerned. aSucks that no new ships have come from official sources in a while. Garage kits are better than nuthin'.

The MM Negh'Var is pretty damn small compared to the JL scale... I'd love a JL-sized one to replace mine, actually. The unpainted Botany Bay isn't particularly well made but it is a better size... it replaced my MM one.

So which ships are on your appetizer, side dish, and dessert lists, Spec? :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-06-2010, 09:51 PM
The MM Negh'Var is pretty damn small compared to the JL scale... I'd love a JL-sized one to replace mine, actually. The unpainted Botany Bay isn't particularly well made but it is a better size... it replaced my MM one.

The Negh'Var definitely begs to be bigger. The MM one looks dwarfed next to JL for a flagship of the Empire.


So which ships are on your appetizer, side dish, and dessert lists, Spec? :)

Oh, I dunno, I'm still discovering this ship or that that I don't have. I just remembered the Playmates Captain's yacht is another one that I want. Too 'spensive at $25, though.

Darth Duranium
06-08-2010, 03:31 AM
Agreed, the MM Negh'Var is a shrimp, even for MM! I think someone's made a garage kit... might be worth checking out.

Do you mean the Captain's Yacht that came with the PM Insurrection Ent E? I wouldn't mind one either but $25 is steep. Anybody know exactly how big it is? Looks to be about MM size.

I came across a pewter (coloured at least) Yacht on a website... I think may be Rawcliffe but the base looks suspiciously like Playmates. Anybody know?

A couple other ship oddities in there, too.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-08-2010, 08:47 PM
Do you mean the Captain's Yacht that came with the PM Insurrection Ent E? I wouldn't mind one either but $25 is steep. Anybody know exactly how big it is? Looks to be about MM size.

That's the one. The Ebay seller notes the length at 2-1/4".

I just got the Valdore and the Andorian Cruiser and I see what you mean about the difficulty in building and painting these things. I'll have to take several deep breaths before I can dive in.... can you say: Watchmakers loupe!

BTW, informative page on shuttles et al: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/starfleet_shuttles.htm

NightCastle
06-08-2010, 09:33 PM
I have the captains yacht that you are discussing. It is packed away, but I will see about getting a picture this weekend. I will take a picture of it relative to a JL Enterprise.

By the way, have any of you heard that NECA announced today that it will produce Trek Clix? Possibly including ship representations in click form.

Darth Windu
06-09-2010, 05:19 AM
NC - don't suppose you'd be willing to sell it? :D

Also, what are NECA clix?

NightCastle
06-09-2010, 09:20 AM
Sorry Darth Windu, I had a hard time finding it and the only reason it is packed away is because I was planning on moving to a new place where I would have more space, but the plans were changed at almost the last minute.

NECA (well known for their models and busts of famous movie and television characters) took over the WizKids/HeroClix game line within the last year. HeroClix is a game based on super heroes that uses a clickable dial that reflects the abilities and statistics of the heroes. Apparently NECA signed a deal with CBS Consumer Products. It is possible that they will focus only on the people within the Star Trek universe, but in the announcement below it is unclear. It is possible that they may pursue a version of the game utilizing the ships, which could result in miniatures of the ships and an easier game than FASA, to play.

Announcement:

[June 8, 2010] (Hillside, NJ) – WizKids/NECA and CBS Consumer Products today announced that they have entered into an agreement wherein WizKids/NECA will create HeroClix branded miniature games to be sold both physically and digitally, set in the Star Trek universe, including all of the Star Trek television shows and Star Trek feature films.

“Star Trek changed the way people think about the future,” said WizKids/NECA President Lax Chandra. “We are thrilled at the opportunity to marry our innovative game design and exceptional miniatures with the incredibly rich Star Trek franchise. We believe HeroClix and the Star Trek Universe are ideally suited for cooperative gaming and table top miniature simulation and will speak to gamers in a new and compelling way.”

The first WizKids/NECA Star Trek game will release around Christmas, 2010 with additional expansions to follow.

About WizKids/NECA:

A wholly owned subsidiary of the National Entertainment Collectibles Association Inc. (NECA), WizKids/NECA is a New Jersey-based game developer and publisher dedicated to creating games driven by imagination. The HeroClix brand is the most successful collectible miniatures games on the market today, with over 250 million miniature game figures sold worldwide. For additional information, visit www.wizkidsgames.com (http://www.wizkidsgames.com).

©2010 WizKids/NECA LLC. All rights reserved. HeroClix and WizKids are trademark of WizKids/NECA LLC.

® & © 2010 CBS Studios Inc. STAR TREK and related marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. All Rights Reserved

Darth Duranium
06-09-2010, 08:07 PM
Yeah Spec, it's a bit of a mission to get these garage kits finished... in less than 2 years or so, anyway. :) I've got a bunch of resin ships in a box somewhere and I'm trying not to buy more until I've done them. The MMM models all require quite a bit of work, huh? The more expensive ones from other garage kit makers have tended to be moulded better with fewer imperfections... but MMM's nice and cheap.

Thanks for the Clix info NC... it might be interesting if they do something like they did for Alien and Halo. I would be very happy if we saw some 3 to 4 inch ships! :thumbsup: I hope they focus on the new flick... the new Trek logo was on the press release I saw. Still, I think it's likely that they'll primarily make WOTC-sized figures and beasties so I'll likely have to pass on the line. I hope we get some shuttles at least.

NC, did the Playmates Insurrection Ent E come with a painted Captain's Yacht AND the pewter coloured one, or just the pewter? I thought I saw painted ones on eBay and the box photo shows a painted yacht. Maybe I'm mixing this up... wouldn't be a first. ;)

NightCastle
06-09-2010, 09:59 PM
DH I got the cap yacht from eBay. It was plastic like micro machines. It came with an arm that I think was suppose to be used to connect it to the ent e model.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-10-2010, 06:07 PM
Holy miniature rarities! Didn't realize the Furuta Stargazer was so hard to find. No sign of one on Ebay... past or present. Same goes for the Furuta Cardassian Destroyer.

Darth Duranium
06-11-2010, 05:13 AM
I found a few pics of the painted Cap's Yacht... wouldn't mind it at all. I guess the pewter-coloured one's a bonus item.

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2216473620032577752SDVSDv

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2100259090032577752TzdjoE

Yeah Spec, I'm told that Furuta Vol 1 has gotten pricey these days, but I did come across a Cardie under $10... PM sent. I'd probably offer a fiver... I don't think they're much in-demand, unlike the Furuta Defiant, Stargazer, and Equinox.
Anyhoo, good hunting.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-11-2010, 01:16 PM
I found a few pics of the painted Cap's Yacht... wouldn't mind it at all. I guess the pewter-coloured one's a bonus item.

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2216473620032577752SDVSDv

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2100259090032577752TzdjoE



Yeah, that's the Playmates one selling on Ebay for $25+s/h. I guess it came painted originally. There's another Ebay seller that had it for slightly less ($20 Buy-it-now that incl. s/h) but looked like he had painted on red stripes and possibly other painted areas that look kinda sloppily done to me: #160441417244

Appreciate the heads up on the Cardassian bug.

Darth Duranium
06-11-2010, 03:42 PM
Does anyone own the PM Insurrection Ent E? I'm still curious as to which Yacht(s) came with it. Both the painted (not custom) and pewter versions look legit to me.
Good hunting with the Cardie, Spec!

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-11-2010, 03:49 PM
Does anyone own the PM Insurrection Ent E? I'm still curious as to which Yacht(s) came with it. Both the painted (not custom) and pewter versions look legit to me.
Good hunting with the Cardie, Spec!

Here are pics of it: http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/23843096VXowvmuzgi

Darth Duranium
06-11-2010, 04:02 PM
Yeah dude, but where's the pewter one from? It doesn't look fan-painted to me.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-11-2010, 04:05 PM
Yeah dude, but where's the pewter one from? It doesn't look fan-painted to me.

Looks like the pewter one is from Rawcliffe:
http://www.nostalgicnook.com/startrekpewters/morestartrekpewters.html
http://www.nostalgicnook.com/images/308_rawcliffestcaptyatchpewter.JPG
(http://www.nostalgicnook.com/startrekpewters/morestartrekpewters.html)

Darth Duranium
06-11-2010, 04:36 PM
Thanks Spec. Yeah, that's what I originally suspected was the case. Looks like it's about an inch longer than the painted Playmates one, if the info's correct.
Hmmm.... wish I'd picked one up cheaply a while back! That size is much better than MM/PM, in my opinion. Don't relish painting it, though!

NightCastle
06-12-2010, 03:32 PM
Here is the pic I promised that gives the scale of the painted yacht to the JL TOS Ent. Sorry, I don't have the pewter one. The guy who sold it to me, modified a Micro Machines stand to fit the hole on the bottom of the yacht.

JediTricks
06-12-2010, 04:44 PM
Do you mean the Captain's Yacht that came with the PM Insurrection Ent E? I wouldn't mind one either but $25 is steep. Anybody know exactly how big it is? Looks to be about MM size.
It's slightly larger than MM size. I haven't measured it though, and I sadly don't remember where mine is.


DH I got the cap yacht from eBay. It was plastic like micro machines. It came with an arm that I think was suppose to be used to connect it to the ent e model.Yeah, a long red "warp" type arm, IIRC, it plugs into a hole at the underside of the saucer of the Ent.


That Pewter one is clearly not the Playmates one, it has far more detail.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-14-2010, 01:21 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned here, but Hallmark will be releasing their JJ Ent in less than a month. Lots of lights on this one. I particularly like the sides of the warps lighting up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ize33DCuhn0

To quote the alternate-Scotty: "...it's very exciting!"

...especially since the HW one is kinda meh, in my opinion.

Darth Duranium
06-14-2010, 05:25 PM
I liked the HW Karaoke Cruiser Edselprises a lot more than I thought I would Spec, but I'd agree they are both on the cusp of meh-dom.

Thanks for the video link... hadn't seen all the cool lighting on the Hallmark. Agreed, the nacelle edge lights are wicked! I would have liked a few blinking lights but still, I can't wait to get my mitts on it!

I hope we get the Kelvin next year, but I'd settle for an Ent C. :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-14-2010, 10:53 PM
Aside from the giant golden loop atop the main hull—I'm slowly acquiring the ability to blissfully ignore these on the HMs a la way of a lobotomy—the only thing that displeases me about the 2010 Ent as I see it in the video is that when the lights are not on, those areas look way dark. But what the heck you gonna do? :cross-eye

Darth Duranium
06-15-2010, 04:54 PM
I guess we'll have to see how it looks on the shelf... I still suspect it'll still blow the nacelles off the competition. :)
Those golden hoops come off very easily with a pair of pliers... leaves a tiny circular hole which is easily filled or overlooked. I've removed quite a few.
My beef is that the lights only stay on for about 10 seconds or so... but I don't really miss the wire.

BTW, did you grab that Cardie Galor, Spec?

Darth Duranium
06-17-2010, 09:49 PM
I picked up a Superman Returns "playset" at the dollar store and got a groovy new Kryptonian ship... for a buck! Plus a little Supes for the wife's Xmas village. :)
Don't get me wrong: I'm not a huge fan of the flick, apart from 2 astounding sequences.

I think the ship looks a bit like the Crystalline Entity from TNG so I drilled a hole and stuck it on a spare JL stand. It's not quite so bronzey in real life... more like the resin equivalent of quartz.

Wasn't there a crystal ship on the original BSG or Buck Rogers TV show, too? I can't remember which... anybody know? Maybe both, considering the footage re-use. ;)

I have very few animation starships but I'd love a Titanium/JL sized X-Jet... why no Titanium when Hasbro had the Marvel license? A Justice League Watchtower and Javelin would be kewl, too.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-21-2010, 08:56 PM
That crazy Crystaline stuff's not quite my cup-o-tea, Darth. Looks like a Christmas tree topper from Liberace's estate.

But I was watching ALIENS for the umteenth time, and it got me thinkin'... So I got online and discovered the Konamis! They look mighty fine! But alas, not cheap. The Galoob Dropship looks downright silly in comparison.

http://www.mikes-tanks.com/Future.htm#Colonial_Marines

The diecast Aoshimas look fantastic, but too big and way too 'spensive @ about $200 for the Dropship!

waggy
06-22-2010, 10:23 AM
Hi all,

Really enjoyed reading this thread. It's got me thinking about starting a little collection, probably mainly TNG, DS9 and Voyager based.

First model of a Star Trek ship I ever had was the original TOS Enterprise by Dinky. It was given to me one Christmas in the late 1970s (think I was about 7 or 8) and I couldn't have been more excited. It was mostly diecast metal apart from the top of the saucer and the nacelle pylons. Found a few pics on this site:

http://www.apieceoftheaction.net/2009/10/dinky-toys-spotlight-uss-enterprise-358.html

A good one is worth a bit now on ebay, but mine didn't survive my attempts at simulating "battle damage" with my dads soldering iron. That didn't work out too well for the Enterprise or the soldering iron....

Brought a Furuta model a few months back, before I read this thread, just to see what the quality was like. Got the wave 2 Farragut 'cause it was really cheap. Maybe not the best choice it seems. As mentioned in this thread some time back, some of the molding ain't great,it doesn't fit together too well and it all seems a little stacked up and wobbly at the back.

Anyhow, out of that massively huge range of 2 ships that I've owned, the Dinky one was the best. Be nice to hear what you guys reckon is your single best Star Trek model. If a temporal anomaly started to swallow up your collection and you only had time (sorry...) to save one, what would it be?

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-22-2010, 12:56 PM
Welcome, waggy! Good to see there’s yet one more small-scale Trek ship lover out there.

That Dinky Ent is a hoot. Very cool-looking. You gonna try and acquire one anew? (God bless Ebay!)

I’m relatively new to the hobby myself, having had my passion rekindled by the 2009 movie. My first Trek model was the old AMT 1701 kit from 1968 or 1969 (http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-AMT-S951-STAR-TREK-U-S-S-Enterprise-1701-NISB-/220622157687?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item335e1af777) when I was wee lad of 10. (Yep, I’m getting a little long in the tooth.) It had the light-up domes and nacelles. I was in love with it, but unfortunately, both pylon/nacelle assemblies could not survive the glue-job and gravitational pull took its inexorable toll.

I currently have a collection of Enterprise-based small scale ships, along with some choice larger models like the 3 Bandai Ents.

I owe a lot of what I’ve learned about the hobby this past year from the great folks in this forum, who are always at the ready to inform and opine (and certainly entertain).

It’s pretty tough to choose one favorite ship out of the fold. I’d have to say the Corgi Klingon Bird of Prey is currently my most prized piece. Truly exceptional sculpt and detail, And it’s diecast, too—quite heavy. Second would maybe be a 3-way tie between the Johnny Lightning (JL) 1701 Refit from Series 2, the JL 1701 (TOS) from Series 1 and the F-Toys 1701 (TOS). How’s that for decisiveness!? The snap-together, light-up Bandais are also magnificent, but they are in a larger class (not quite as large as the Diamond Select models)—but I’ve read that they could be somewhat challenging to assemble and I have yet to build mine.

Darth Duranium
06-22-2010, 02:53 PM
I highly recommend the Konami Alien sets, Spec. Awesome sculpts, nice paint, sharp Japanese detailing... top notch. Shame that the Konami sets are pricey these days.... they were quite cheap when they were new. The Konami Dropship and Nostromo are a little fragile, though.
There's also a "Betty" from Alien 4 that came with a large "Aqua Alien" figure (Kenner)... it's about MM size. I can post a few pics if you want to check out the scale of anything.

I've stopped collecting Aoshima scale stuff, but those diecast Aliens vehicles look really sweet. I've got the Action Fleet Aliens ships but they can't compare to Aoshima whatsoever. But then again, they're not $150+.

Welcome to the forum, Waggy. Thanks for the link... that site's a lot of fun.
Dude loves his toys!

Hehe... I remember that Dinky Ent very well, though I never owned one. A childhood friend had one (and the Mego bridge set) and we used to play with it a lot as kids. I remember it as being pretty heavy... it's best not to fling it at your buddy's head. :)

Like Spec, my first Ent was probably the AMT TOS Ent or maybe it was the refit model from TMP. I loved the light-up refit especially... years later I picked up the Bandai refit which is quite an impressive substitute for my long-dead AMT one. Did you find a Bandai refit Spec? I know you were looking a while back.

It was the Hallmark Trek ships that got me into small ship collecting as an adult starting around 1992. I have a bunch of larger ships but I've pretty much settled into smaller scales these days. I just won a cheap White Lightning Klingon D-7 last night so I'm still hooked.

Very hard to choose just one ship to save from the temporal vortex (does it mean we'll see the rest of our ships in the future or the past? :))... you just get so attached to 'em all.
Among the best:
Corgi KBoP (agreed, very nice... Konami's nice too)
JL White Lightning TOS Ent/ F-Toys TOS Ent (tough call)
Hallmark Ent E or KBC or 2006 TOS Ent (really tough call)

The Furuta Farragut's actually less droopy than the Romando one... but I'd definitely agree that this ship hasn't been done well yet. The MM's not bad.
At least Furuta did a nice job on the Prometheus, Stargazer, Defiant, Ent C, and Equinox.

waggy
06-22-2010, 03:32 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome guys.

That Corgi bird of prey looks like it might be first on the shopping list.
Not sure about buying another dinky enterprise though, worried it might not live up to my fond (rose tinted?) memories of it. Tried that before with an old kenner diecast millenium falcon I had as a kid (suffered a similar fate to my dinky enterprise...). Got one off ebay and I couldn't help noticing the poor detailing and inaccurate moulding. Didn't seem to worry about that as a kid.

That AMT enterprise looks good, though I'm really crap at building models.
Hate to think what it would look like if I had a go at building one!

I'll keep a look out for the JL range, they look really nice. Not that many for sale on this side of the pond though.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-22-2010, 05:21 PM
Did you find a Bandai refit Spec? I know you were looking a while back.

Yep, got all 3 Ents (1701Refit, NX-01, 1701-E). Haven't built a single one.




Among the best:
Corgi KBoP (agreed, very nice... Konami's nice too)
JL White Lightning TOS Ent/ F-Toys TOS Ent (tough call)
Hallmark Ent E or KBC or 2006 TOS Ent (really tough call)


I might take a look at Hallmarks a little more closely. I know I still want the 2009 KBC, at least. Darth, do you know which of the better Hallmarks, at least of the ones you have, light up without the umbilical cord? In other words, which ones are battery lighted? I noticed from pics that the Vulcan Command ship has wires sticking out of it. Hate that... don't intend on actually stringing any of these ships on a tree.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-23-2010, 06:50 PM
Just nabbed the HM BCruiser for a pretty decent $18 including s/h. Been stalking this wild thing for awhile. At the same time Team USA won Group C to advance. All in all, a pretty good day!

Leaving on holiday on Friday so probably won't be online for a couple of weeks. Cheers, mates!

Darth Windu
06-24-2010, 07:24 AM
Greetings waggy, always nice to see a new...well username... :D

For myself, it's very hard to choose a single model that's my favourite. Always bene a big fan of the Defiant, and I'd have to say the F-Toys version is the best. The paintwork and detailing is superb, and better than the Furuta, although the model itself is a bit on the small side.

Darth Duranium
06-25-2010, 05:26 AM
I bought a diecast Kenner Falcon too, Wag... the one with the improbably tall landing gear, n'est pas? Agreed, it's pretty far from accurate but it was a great toy at the time. The Titanium Ultra Falcon is a great alternative... much nicer, cool features like an opening interior and cockpit, similar size and weight. Cheap! Awesome.:)
The "new" Corgi TOS Ent compares to the Dinky Ent as the Ultra Falcon compares to the Kenner Falcon. Sorted!
Luckily, them Corgis are easy to find in the UK... I picked up both of mine from UK sellers (Ent D and KBoP). I've actually picked up a few JL White Lightnings from the UK real cheap, but that was before the last movie came out and everything changed. BTW, where in the UK are you, Wag?

Have a great holiday, Spec! Yeah, just completing the Bandai refit was a major deal for me... a lot of frickin' steps to assemble it... but it was fun and weirdly satisfying once complete. Plus, no painting req'd meant that it actually got done within say, a decade.
I've got all the HMs except the overpriced 1991, actually. Here's a pic with the HM info you requested...easier than typing it out. ;)

I like the whole F-Toys set too, DW... pretty sweet detailing on all of them. Real shame there was no Volume 2. BTW, real shame about Rudd, the Socceroos', and the All-Whites' premature exits, too! Bummer.

JediTricks
06-25-2010, 07:10 PM
Welcome aboard Waggy! I love the Art Asylum / Diamond Select Toys Enterprises, but I'd have to say that Corgi Klingon Bird of Prey is probably the best of the best, great paint and the metal gives it a special something. I think folks in this thread are a little overly generous when it comes to the Johnny Lightning line, it's fair but has plenty of weak spots.


I have only the '91 and '92 ornaments there. Sadly, the '92 talking Galileo doesn't work on LED light strings, only on classic light strings, and I bought several LED strings the last few years so that's generally what we use.

waggy
06-26-2010, 06:01 AM
@Darth Windu and JediTricks, thanks for the welcome, nice to be here.



For myself, it's very hard to choose a single model that's my favourite. Always bene a big fan of the Defiant, and I'd have to say the F-Toys version is the best. The paintwork and detailing is superb, and better than the Furuta, although the model itself is a bit on the small side.

I have to agree, the defiant is one of my favourite ships. Maybe not one of the best looking (the refit constitution wins that one for me), but I like the concept and its basic military/utilitarian construction. JL never made a (DS9) defiant did they?



I bought a diecast Kenner Falcon too, Wag... the one with the improbably tall landing gear, n'est pas? Agreed, it's pretty far from accurate but it was a great toy at the time. The Titanium Ultra Falcon is a great alternative... much nicer, cool features like an opening interior and cockpit, similar size and weight. Cheap! Awesome.:)
The "new" Corgi TOS Ent compares to the Dinky Ent as the Ultra Falcon compares to the Kenner Falcon. Sorted!
Luckily, them Corgis are easy to find in the UK... I picked up both of mine from UK sellers (Ent D and KBoP). I've actually picked up a few JL White Lightnings from the UK real cheap, but that was before the last movie came out and everything changed. BTW, where in the UK are you, Wag?


Hey I've got the ultra titainium falcon too! Yep it's loads better than the kenner. Love that little landing ramp that drops down.
I'm living in south east Wales, just a couple of miles from the English border. Quietly supporting England in the soccer World Cup. Not too many England fans here in Wales!

Darth Windu
06-26-2010, 08:33 AM
JL never made a (DS9) defiant did they?
Correct. I got all excited when JL announced the 'Defiant', and like many others were bitterly disappointed when I found out that it was just a redo of the TOS Enterprise.


I like the whole F-Toys set too, DW... pretty sweet detailing on all of them. Real shame there was no Volume 2. BTW, real shame about Rudd, the Socceroos', and the All-Whites' premature exits, too! Bummer.
Indeed. :( Also yeah very disappointing about how Rudd lost his job, and a shame about the Socceroos, but to be realistic they'll never win the World Cup. As for the All-Whites, they did quite well, New Zealand seems to think they did allwhite :D

Darth Duranium
06-26-2010, 05:28 PM
I think folks in this thread are a little overly generous when it comes to the Johnny Lightning line, it's fair but has plenty of weak spots.

Hehe... that's how I feel about the AA line, actually. :)


JL never made a (DS9) defiant did they?

Hey I've got the ultra titainium falcon too! Yep it's loads better than the kenner. Love that little landing ramp that drops down.
I'm living in south east Wales, just a couple of miles from the English border. Quietly supporting England in the soccer World Cup. Not too many England fans here in Wales!

No, just an Enterprise "Mirror darkly" Defiant from the TOS era as DW mentioned. Yep, disappointed here.

Yeah that ramp is cool... the Ultra MF's a great ship for the money.

Wales, huh? Is that a country, Boyo? Did you get one of those mining hats with lights on 'em when you moved there? :) Hehe... just kidding. That's my usual taunt at my Welsh friend who lives here.

We're huge England supporters too, but it's ok to fly the colours here. Can't wait until tomorrow to teach the Bosch some manners! :)
What goes on tour stays on tour, oi oi oi!


Indeed. :( Also yeah very disappointing about how Rudd lost his job, and a shame about the Socceroos, but to be realistic they'll never win the World Cup. As for the All-Whites, they did quite well, New Zealand seems to think they did allwhite :D

Not sure "All-Whites" was the name to go with in South Africa. :) Oy vez! "Socceroos" wasn't too fear-instilling either, but good on Oz for getting to the big show in the first place. Our team didn't even get that far.

Yeah, I think Rio Tinto and the big conglomerates paid for Rudd's departure. It's pretty shocking stuff, IMO. I hope Rudd returns as an Independent. :bandit:

Darth Windu
06-27-2010, 06:48 AM
No, just an Enterprise "Mirror darkly" Defiant from the TOS era as DW mentioned. Yep, disappointed here.
Well that and "The Tholian Web" from TOS. Still, I guess they were trying to maximise the use of the mold, but using the name 'Defiant' for anything other than the DS9 ship was a really bad idea IMO.


Not sure "All-Whites" was the name to go with in South Africa. :) Oy vez! "Socceroos" wasn't too fear-instilling either, but good on Oz for getting to the big show in the first place. Our team didn't even get that far.

Yeah, I think Rio Tinto and the big conglomerates paid for Rudd's departure. It's pretty shocking stuff, IMO. I hope Rudd returns as an Independent. :bandit:
lol never thought about that with the All-Whites :D

Nah Rudd apparently is in talks to return as a Minister, just obviously not the of the Prime variety. Hopefully it all works out.

I also agree with JT - the JL's never really floated my boat, especially my rather dodgy USS Yamato.

waggy
06-27-2010, 12:12 PM
Wales, huh? Is that a country, Boyo? Did you get one of those mining hats with lights on 'em when you moved there? :) Hehe... just kidding. That's my usual taunt at my Welsh friend who lives here.

We're huge England supporters too, but it's ok to fly the colours here. Can't wait until tomorrow to teach the Bosch some manners! :)
What goes on tour stays on tour, oi oi oi!


Yep, I'm right in old mining country here, we got plenty o leeks and much singing in the valleys. and dragons. Found a few welsh phrases that might be of use if you ever visit these damp hills.

To be spat out Klingon style...

Ble mae'r toiled
Mae fy hofrenfad yn llawn llyswennod

Just watched England loose against Germany in the world cup. v poor. nuff said.

Found this, you guys have probably seen it already but there's good pics showing comparisons between various refit enterprises. The wave 3 furuta looks tiny. Probably too small even to be in scale with the wave 2 Enterprsie B.

http://stores.ebay.com/MicroNation/Star-Trek-Furuta-Konami-F-toys.html

Iechyd da!

Darth Duranium
06-28-2010, 12:40 AM
JT, fetch the Comfy Chair!
Waggy is clearly trying to pass off "My hovercraft is full of eels" as a valid Klingon to Welsh translation for "Where is the toilet?". ;)

Yeah Wag, the English team sucked arse... not surprising the Germans stomped us. 'Nuff said. :upset:

Furuta really cheaped out on the last set (3A & 3B) but there were a few ships from that set that were ok. The refit is disappointing... hell, it's MM sized.

Despite the tedious poo-pooing :), I think I like the JL refit best in this scale with a close second to the F-Toys. The Hallmark 1701-A's pretty good too.

DW, they're saying Rudd got axed 'cuz he's such a surly bastard to work for but I dunno, the timing seems pretty suspect to me. But I'll defer to you... I've never even heard of the (ex-Welsh) woman who's taken over as PM or the other issues that led to his downfall.

BTW guys, Drex is back:

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/

The NX refit's starting to grow on me... I like the new hull colour. I agree that it's way too advanced for its time but it's still pretty cool.

clone157
06-29-2010, 11:59 PM
I really want a 4" version of that one!!! I am just too afraid of wasting an F-toys NX-01 and NCC-1701 to make it.

Darth Windu
06-30-2010, 03:35 AM
Hi, Not so much a question as a comment regarding Q&A 90 (Star Trek). I noticed you mentioned that the lingering issue regarding making the Defiant into a large ship, and I had a suggestion that may work. Different companies such as Furuta and F-toys have made brilliant small-scale non-electronic toys of the Defiant, the Furuta version being very expensive if you can find it. As Furuta seems completely done with the Star Trek line, why not simply buy or rent either their Defiant mold.cast or the one currently owned by F-toys? DST could then make an electronic large Defiant ala the size of the AMT model/Playmates Defiant, and as a pack-in, a small-scale plastic Defiant! This would suit those who want a big Defiant to enjoy all of the details, whilst also giving a small Defiant that is perfectly to scale with your previously released Enterprise-E and Enterprise-D. Possible?


DSTChuck: I suppose something like packing a small defiant in would be possible, but again the electronic one would be out of scale with the rest of the line, which is the issue. Its something fans will just have to accept if the time comes.
They don't seem blown away with my idea, but at least didn't dismiss it out of hand. :) I thought it was a good one.

Darth Duranium
06-30-2010, 07:46 AM
Seems they don't hate your idea at all! I think it's a good one but I wonder if DS9 has enough of a following.
Yeah DW, relative scale is a major issue for all of the starship lines... DS/AA is no different, though you'd think they'd have a lot of flexibility due to their hefty size.

Exactly how big would a Defiant have to be to be in correct scale with the AA Ent E? I guess that's a debatable issue. :)

Another question for youzes: is the AA NX Ent rare or scarce in some way? I've seen it going for a good price on eBay recently and I'm thinking of selling mine.

Darth Windu
07-01-2010, 10:45 AM
Well realistically there's no chance they'd be able to do a scaled electronic Defiant - it would have to be the size of the F-toys/Furuta Defiants in order to be in scale, hence my suggestion.

As for the NX-01 not rare really, just that it was made a while back and AA have no plans on re-releasing it. The whole supply/demand thing really, demand is the same but there's a dwindling supply.

Darth Duranium
07-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Cheers DW... good to know. I take it that they're not planning on re-releasing it then... good news for me. ;)
It's quite a nicely done ship, gotta say.

waggy
07-07-2010, 06:49 AM
Just missed out on a JL voyager on ebay :(. Theres only 1 on ebay at the moment and its the landing gear version which I'm not fussed about.
I've been looking for ships roughly in scale with one another, so I've worked out some very rough scale for a few ships. I don't own any of these ships, so the sizes are taken from various websites and my math is crap so bear that in mind...



12.0cm Furuta Voyager 344m 1/2860 (would be 13.7cm at 1/2500)

4.4cm Micro Machines Klingon BOP 110-150m 1/2500 (110m) 1/3600 (158m)

9.5cm JL Voyager 344m 1/3600

14cm Furuta Enterprise B 470m 1/3300 ( would be 13cm at 1/3600)

6.8cm FToys Defiant 120-170m 1/2500 (170m) - 1/1760 (120m) 1/2180 (148m)

14.5cm Konami Ent B 470m 1/3240
11.3cm Konami Reliant 243m 1/2150
14cm Konami Ent Refit 305m 1/2180
14.5 Konami Ent E 685m 1/4720
13cm Ftoys Ent D 643m 1/4950
13cm Konami K'tinga 214m 1/1650


Ftoys make a few at 1/2500 scale. The furuta voyager is a little small for that scale but not too far off. The furuta enterprise b is close enough in scale to the JL voyager. Theres a lot of debate about the size of the BOP but the micro machines version would fit in anywhere between 1/2500 and 1/3600.

Darth Duranium
07-07-2010, 09:48 AM
You may wanna check this page out, Wag.

http://www.starshipmodeler.com/trek/trekscales.cfm

Might save you some time, though I notice that F-Toys and Konami aren't listed.

waggy
07-07-2010, 10:29 AM
thanks for the link, looks like I'm slightly on a few of them. I guess it depends a bit on the source of the "real" ship sizes. I got mine from here:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/fleet-charts.htm

Darth Duranium
07-07-2010, 08:27 PM
Ship sizes are endlessly debated by the Trek community... I wouldn't wanna wade into that hovercraft full of eels! I'd imagine that SSM would be reasonably accurate though, but I dunno for sure.

There was a lot of squawking about the latest Ent's "real" size recently... went on for months!

waggy
07-08-2010, 05:56 AM
You're right, me thinks thats a can o worms best left unopened! As long my runabout ain't bigger than my galaxy class maybe I should be a little less fussy.
I wonder what the welsh is for OCD...

Darth Duranium
07-08-2010, 10:21 AM
I could get pretty good dose of OCD about Catherine Zeta-Jones. Nummy.

Judging by the SSM list, I think it's pretty much impossible to find the ships exactly scaled to each other so I don't even try anymore! If the ships look good together, I'm happy. I do try to keep similarly-sized ships together on the shelf, rather than mixing Runabouts with Ent Ds. :)

If you're wondering how certain ships look next to each other, let us know and we can post some comparison pics. Between us, we've got you covered, I'd think.

BTW, I dug out my Ultra Falcon yesterday... I'm still well chuffed by it.

JediTricks
07-08-2010, 05:53 PM
Hehe... that's how I feel about the AA line, actually. :)Wow, that's pretty bold. I don't agree at all, the AA line has little issues within itself, the JL line has much bigger ones within itself.


Found this, you guys have probably seen it already but there's good pics showing comparisons between various refit enterprises. The wave 3 furuta looks tiny. Probably too small even to be in scale with the wave 2 Enterprsie B.

http://stores.ebay.com/MicroNation/Star-Trek-Furuta-Konami-F-toys.htmlGreat find! I didn't realize how small the Furuta wv 3 was, or how bent the Konami is. All of them have odd paint things, each one has something I could like and something I could dislike.



JT, fetch the Comfy Chair!
Waggy is clearly trying to pass off "My hovercraft is full of eels" as a valid Klingon to Welsh translation for "Where is the toilet?". ;) Ever since Wikipedia dropped Klingon as a translated site, I've been in the dark. :p


Despite the tedious poo-pooing :), I think I like the JL refit best in this scale with a close second to the F-Toys. The Hallmark 1701-A's pretty good too.Ugh, I can't even look at the JL Ent-A straight on without getting annoyed, the top of the saucer is so wrong it sickens me, and the nacelles aren't glued on straight. Plus, the underside of the engineering hull is all wrong.


The NX refit's starting to grow on me... I like the new hull colour. I agree that it's way too advanced for its time but it's still pretty cool. Um... way too advanced for even TOS and the movie era. The long curve of the lower hull reminds me of the Excelsior. I wonder what it'd look like upside-down tho'. ;)

The lower part of the saucer looks offset at a weird position.



They don't seem blown away with my idea, but at least didn't dismiss it out of hand. :) I thought it was a good one.It's a good idea! One just smaller than the Playmates one scaled to the Ent-A that comes with a second smaller one in scale to the Ent-D or -E would be outstanding.

Plus, it's not like their line's scale is all that accurate anyway.



Exactly how big would a Defiant have to be to be in correct scale with the AA Ent E? I guess that's a debatable issue. :)Well, it's debatable because there's no set size for the Defiant. Ex Astris Scientia has this article: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/defiant-problems.htm which says 120m, which is under 1/5th the length of the Ent-E. Using their fleet charts, here are a couple different takes on the 120m comparison:

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and here is another take on the side comparison, but at the midline:

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As you can see, in scale to the Ent-D or -E, it'd be MM sized or just a bit bigger, which is to say, very little. Even scaled to the Ent-A, it'd be around the size of the Hot Wheels Klingon Bird of Prey without the width of the wings. Scale seems to be impossible for DST on the Defiant so they should just toss the idea if they're not going to use Windu's idea.

Bernie
07-10-2010, 10:23 AM
Hello,

I am new at this board. I enjoyed this thread for a longer time and now I registered. Sorry for my bad english, but I am from germany and no native speaker.

I am a star trek fan for a long time and also an fan of building small models. A couple of months ago I decided to collect star trek ship models. Im order to compare the models to each other I decided to buy models that are about in the same scale. Because of the excellent F-Toys, which I buyd at first, I decided to collect 1:2500 and 1:5000 scale. Thank you all very much for your helpful threads and photos, which made it very much easier to choose between the different manufacturers.

A few weeks ago I bought the AMT/Ertl Deep Space 9 with fibre optics on ebay for a very small price. Unluckily there is no instruction sheet in there. Is there anybody, who would be so kind and scan his instruction to a pdf-file and send it to me per E-Mail. That would be very helpful.

Greetings from Germany
Bernie

NightCastle
07-10-2010, 10:43 PM
Welcome waggy and Bernie. Sorry Bernie, I don't have the instructions for the DS9 you have I have the one that has to be put together after buying several other matching scaled ships. It was from a Japanese company.

I did, however, get my Hallmark 2010 Abramsprise. It is very nicely detailed. It makes the Hotwheels version look very bad. It was like comparing the JL TOS ent to the Furuta one. The Halmark Ent is very detailed. Unfortunately, it is going to be a stocking stuffer from my wife. But I got to pick it out to make certain it was a good specimen. Yeah for that! So, I won't be able to post any picks. I'm sure someone here will get it and post some.

Cheers.

waggy
07-11-2010, 06:04 AM
Thanks NightCastle. Having to wait till Christmas is tough. Your wife is very organised, I don't start christmas shopping till 4.30pm on the 24th December.

Hi Bernie, I don't have the DS9 model either but theres a link on the amt/ertl site to request model instructions. Bottom left on this page:

http://www.ertltoys.com/brand/amt/2005/pm_star_trek.shtml

might be worth a try.


I could get pretty good dose of OCD about Catherine Zeta-Jones. Nummy.


now theres something from wales worth obsessing over. :thumbsup:


This guy here mentions fake trek F-Toys:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Checklist-for-F-toys-Star-Trek-Fleet-Collection-Vol-1_W0QQugidZ10000000008786429

I've seen a few fake furuta planes but I haven't heard of any fake trek ships. Is he just knocking the competition or are there really fake ones out there?

JediTricks
07-11-2010, 04:49 PM
Good luck Bernie, I wish I could help ya but I don't have that one.


Fake F-toys, that's awful.


Yesterday I saw for the first time ever the Hot Wheels die-cast JJprise at TRU! It was the Battle Damaged variant, but still the first time I've seen this tooling in the wild, as it were. I didn't realize the packaging was different from the rest of the line, it has that '09 movie styling to the box. Same stand though. At $13, I realized I just don't like the JJprise enough to buy it no matter how rare.

Darth Duranium
07-12-2010, 02:07 AM
Wow, that's pretty bold. I don't agree at all, the AA line has little issues within itself, the JL line has much bigger ones within itself.

Bold like radioactive wasabi, baby. :) I’d agree that they ALL have issues, but since we’ve already had a robust debate about JL/Furuta (etc.) vs. AA/Bandai a few years back, I’ll refer you to my earlier bold statements (and yours too!). :) I just don’t think we’re gonna find much agreement on this, and our collections speak for themselves. Peace!

Thanks for the Defiant shots. What is it with Trek and their scale issues? Drexler’s the first to point out that the FX dep’t were constantly screwing around with relative ship scales. If it looked “good” onscreen, they’d throw the “canon” dimensions out the airlock. Plus, a ship said to be 5000 km distant always looked nose-to-nose in the aired shot. “Standard orbit” was often a bit dodgy, too.
One thing I liked about the new BSG was that they strove to be a bit more realistic about that stuff… and that the ships got steadily more beaten up as the show progressed, unlike Voyager.


A few weeks ago I bought the AMT/Ertl Deep Space 9 with fibre optics on ebay for a very small price. Unluckily there is no instruction sheet in there. Is there anybody, who would be so kind and scan his instruction to a pdf-file and send it to me per E-Mail.

Hi Bernie and welcome aboard. We were in Berlin and Köln a few years ago and we watched Trek in German for the first time… a surreal experience for us English speakers. I believe that Trek is quite popular in Germany… cool!

Glad you found the Trek threads helpful… I sure do.

You can request DS9 instructions:
Email your name, postal mailing address, and the UPC code (numbers under the bar code) to FAQ@rc2corp.com. In the subject line of your email write "Instructions Request". Good luck!


...I have the one that has to be put together after buying several other matching scaled ships. It was from a Japanese company.

I did, however, get my Hallmark 2010 Abramsprise. It is very nicely detailed. It makes the Hotwheels version look very bad. It was like comparing the JL TOS ent to the Furuta one. The Halmark Ent is very detailed. Unfortunately, it is going to be a stocking stuffer from my wife. But I got to pick it out to make certain it was a good specimen. Yeah for that! So, I won't be able to post any pics. I'm sure someone here will get it and post some.

That's the Romando DS9, I'm guessing. I've got it, too. Nice but it’s a weird colour, huh?.

My Hallmark Ent's in the mail from the US (auction for half the Canadian MSRP!) and should be here very soon... I'll take a few HW/HM comparison shots when it arrives.
BTW, it's exceedingly cool that your lady would love a Trek ship in her Xmas stocking. But a 4 month wait to open it? That'd be torture, bro!


Now theres something from wales worth obsessing over. :thumbsup:

I've seen a few fake furuta planes but I haven't heard of any fake trek ships. Is he just knocking the competition or are there really fake ones out there?

Safer than obsessing over Hannibal Lector (Hopkins) or Dawn French. :)

Yeah, there are a few bootlegs of small Trek ships out there (Furuta Vol 2 and MM mostly), plus rip-offs of the Konami Classic Galactica.
I’m not at all convinced that Trek F-Toys have been bootlegged: they did not sell well in Japan (no Vol 2!) so they’re probably getting dumped cheaply in Thailand or HK without boxes. I think that eBay seller needs a golden shovel!


Yesterday I saw for the first time ever the Hot Wheels die-cast JJprise at TRU! It was the Battle Damaged variant, but still the first time I've seen this tooling in the wild, as it were. I didn't realize the packaging was different from the rest of the line, it has that '09 movie styling to the box. Same stand though. At $13, I realized I just don't like the JJprise enough to buy it no matter how rare.

I might have died of shock if you’d bought it, knowing how big a fan you were of the new flick, JT. :}
But you might have been able to flip it on eBay for double its cost… distribution was pretty lousy for the BD wave and the JJ-Prise seems to be somewhat rare, as you mentioned. Do you still loathe the movie or have you warmed up a bit to it?


BTW guys, I came across a Hamilton Enterprise C the other day. I don’t think it’s great at all but it would be nice to have another small Ent C besides the Furuta and the MM.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/01/the-collective-review-of-hamiltion-star-trek-trek-ship-collectibles/

Bernie
07-12-2010, 11:36 AM
@waggy and Darth Hiatus: thank you for the link. I recently sent an E-mail-request. Lets see, what will happen.


Hi Bernie and welcome aboard. We were in Berlin and Köln a few years ago and we watched Trek in German for the first time… a surreal experience for us English speakers. I believe that Trek is quite popular in Germany… cool!

Yes, indeed, I know many people here in Germany who like Star Trek and there is always a TV station showing any of the series. At the moment one episode of DS9 every day rather night in the week and some episodes at the weekeend.


I’m not at all convinced that Trek F-Toys have been bootlegged: they did not sell well in Japan (no Vol 2!) so they’re probably getting dumped cheaply in Thailand or HK without boxes. I think that eBay seller needs a golden shovel!

I recently bought 3 F-Toys from a seller in Thailand and there was only one box in the package, but the modells were all just fine. So I don't think these have been fake ones.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-13-2010, 03:34 PM
I've got all the HMs except the overpriced 1991, actually. Here's a pic with the HM info you requested...easier than typing it out. ;)


Thanks much for the HM chart, Darth. Very helpful, indeed.

Just opened up my first HM: the 2009 Klingon BC. Very, very impressive! The only bummer of sorts is that the wattage emitting from the torpedo maw is definitely too wimpy. Nevertheless, this is one fine lady. Might even be my 2nd fave ship behind the Corgi BoP. As a result, I am now officially hooked on the Hallmarks. I just purchased the Vulcan command ship, as well, and looking forward to the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2010 Ents. Now if I can just decide eyehook or no eyehook or how to properly display them in the bookcase! Somebody stop me!!

JediTricks
07-13-2010, 03:53 PM
Bold like radioactive wasabi, baby. :) I’d agree that they ALL have issues, but since we’ve already had a robust debate about JL/Furuta (etc.) vs. AA/Bandai a few years back, I’ll refer you to my earlier bold statements (and yours too!). :) I just don’t think we’re gonna find much agreement on this, and our collections speak for themselves. Peace!It's been a while since we had that argument though. IIRC, you feel that AA/DST are overpriced for their size and little flaws; while I felt JL are crap at any price with their heavily inaccurate sculpts, weak assemblies, and odd deco choices. I still think I'd win that argument. :D


Thanks for the Defiant shots. What is it with Trek and their scale issues? Drexler’s the first to point out that the FX dep’t were constantly screwing around with relative ship scales. If it looked “good” onscreen, they’d throw the “canon” dimensions out the airlock. Plus, a ship said to be 5000 km distant always looked nose-to-nose in the aired shot. “Standard orbit” was often a bit dodgy, too.
One thing I liked about the new BSG was that they strove to be a bit more realistic about that stuff… and that the ships got steadily more beaten up as the show progressed, unlike Voyager.They were shooting as cheap and fast as they could, serving the story first rather than the models, and doing most of it optically which requires much more care than in the computer if you want it done right. That's why BSG scaled so well, they had that stuff predetermined in the computer, all their shots were digital including the camera so the math was predetermined. Also, their writers aren't as interested as writing for the ships and the tech behind them as Trek writers were.


I’m not at all convinced that Trek F-Toys have been bootlegged: they did not sell well in Japan (no Vol 2!) so they’re probably getting dumped cheaply in Thailand or HK without boxes. I think that eBay seller needs a golden shovel!The ones without boxes are probably back-doored from the factory, or even manufactured for sources other than the original, using someone else's tooling for back-door needs is still bootlegging, even if it's the same assembly line.



I might have died of shock if you’d bought it, knowing how big a fan you were of the new flick, JT. :}
But you might have been able to flip it on eBay for double its cost… distribution was pretty lousy for the BD wave and the JJ-Prise seems to be somewhat rare, as you mentioned. Do you still loathe the movie or have you warmed up a bit to it?Yeah, if I was more of a scalper I absolutely would have sold it. If I wanted anything right now, I would have traded it. If I thought anybody here wanted it badly, I might have picked it up for ya's, but none of that seemed to be the case.

No, I still really don't like the movie, I gave it a second chance and it still is totally crap. It's flat as an action movie, and it's downright insulting as Trek.



Thanks much for the HM chart, Darth. Very helpful, indeed.

Just opened up my first HM: the 2009 Klingon BC. Very, very impressive! The only bummer of sorts is that the wattage emitting from the torpedo maw is definitely too wimpy. Nevertheless, this is one fine lady. Might even be my 2nd fave ship behind the Corgi BoP. As a result, I am now officially hooked on the Hallmarks. I just purchased the Vulcan command ship, as well, and looking forward to the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2010 Ents. Now if I can just decide eyehook or no eyehook or how to properly display them in the bookcase! Somebody stop me!!The eyehooks are what have kept me away from the HM line (that and the prices, yikes). I would go without, but then I'd want to fill it with putty and paint over it, which is beyond my drive, so I pass.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-13-2010, 04:24 PM
It's been a while since we had that argument though. IIRC, you feel that AA/DST are overpriced for their size and little flaws; while I felt JL are crap at any price with their heavily inaccurate sculpts, weak assemblies, and odd deco choices. I still think I'd win that argument. :D

My 2 cents: I think I've seen only 3 of the AA/DST ships in person. The HD 1701, the E and the latest D. I've been underwhelmed with all of these. Granted, the overall sculpt looks good. But the details definitely lack the crispness and awe that a ship that size ought to have. Hence they look too much like a children's toy than a collectible. The Bandais outperform them by a landslide, in my grading scale. The trouble w/Bandais is they require lots of blood, sweat and tears. The JLs have issues as well, but in my opinion, their small size goes a long way to ecxuse them, if you will. But for the life of me I can't understand that God-awful sensor dish!


No, I still really don't like the movie, I gave it a second chance and it still is totally crap. It's flat as an action movie, and it's downright insulting as Trek.

Whah? You didn't like the 2009 Star Trek movie?! :whip:



The eyehooks are what have kept me away from the HM line (that and the prices, yikes). I would go without, but then I'd want to fill it with putty and paint over it, which is beyond my drive, so I pass.

Well, the eyehooks kept me at bay, too. But Darth convinced me that they can either be live with or easily removed. Still can't decide which. They're actually smaller and less obtrusive than I expected. Trouble is if you remove them, you have to invent a new way to display the ship. As far as the price, well I got the Klingon BC for $18 incl. S/H, and the Vulcan Command ship was $14.50 incl. S/H.

JediTricks
07-13-2010, 05:16 PM
My 2 cents: I think I've seen only 3 of the AA/DST ships in person. The HD 1701, the E and the latest D. I've been underwhelmed with all of these. Granted, the overall sculpt looks good. But the details definitely lack the crispness and awe that a ship that size ought to have. Hence they look too much like a children's toy than a collectible. The Bandais outperform them by a landslide, in my grading scale. The trouble w/Bandais is they require lots of blood, sweat and tears. The JLs have issues as well, but in my opinion, their small size goes a long way to ecxuse them, if you will. But for the life of me I can't understand that God-awful sensor dish! The HD-1701 is a bad example, that's just a repaint of the regular one which is emulating the lack of detail on the TV model from the '60s. The E has very nice detail I'd say and I can't think of where you'd find it lacking. The fine details on the D are a bit broader and have a little Playmates in them, but the overall I think holds up well. And considering these start at $35 now where the Playmates ones started at $20 just around 20 years ago, I don't see how this is unfair. The Bandais cost 2 to 3 times as much as the AA/DSTs and require you do a TON of work, and then they still come up with gapped seams that spill light out places they shouldn't, and they're a tad on the small size compared to the AA/DSTs. That's not to say they're not good, but they're not blowing the AA/DSTs out of the water in this sliding scale.

The JLs I don't see anything, they have weak, soft sculpts all over and almost no sculpted surface details, they rely on tampographed decos that sometimes are misaligned, and they use poor colors for the base plastic. And the JLs went for $7 to $10 which is pretty high for a hollow, often-misglued piece of plastic from a die-cast company. And the amount of recycling tools they did was offensive, but you had to buy them because the next wave wouldn't get released without better sales, and then the next wave would come and it's 80% the same tools yet again. They were fair at best and then had too many problems and strings attached for me to forgive.


Whah? You didn't like the 2009 Star Trek movie?! :whip:Was there a Star Trek movie release in '09? I only remember a lame Star Wars knockoff with the name "Star Trek" from that year, but my memory may have been scrambled by staring into pointless lens flares for 2 hours.


Well, the eyehooks kept me at bay, too. But Darth convinced me that they can either be live with or easily removed. Still can't decide which. They're actually smaller and less obtrusive than I expected. Trouble is if you remove them, you have to invent a new way to display the ship. As far as the price, well I got the Klingon BC for $18 incl. S/H, and the Vulcan Command ship was $14.50 incl. S/H.IMO, no ship should be forced to accommodate its stand, if it can't be enjoyed in-hand, it's not what I'm looking for.

As for pricing, that's great if you can get the ones out now or recently that weren't popular, but the majority are very expensive on the aftermarket.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-13-2010, 06:30 PM
...The E has very nice detail I'd say and I can't think of where you'd find it lacking. The fine details on the D are a bit broader and have a little Playmates in them, but the overall I think holds up well. And considering these start at $35 now where the Playmates ones started at $20 just around 20 years ago, I don't see how this is unfair. The Bandais cost 2 to 3 times as much as the AA/DSTs and require you do a TON of work, and then they still come up with gapped seams that spill light out places they shouldn't, and they're a tad on the small size compared to the AA/DSTs. That's not to say they're not good, but they're not blowing the AA/DSTs out of the water in this sliding scale.

It's not like there are very many options out there. I think the AAs are decent. That said, my main complaint is that *for their size* I expect to see more. More detail. Crisper detail. Less toy-like. Look at the extaordinary detail in F-toys and at such a small size. You look at the F-toys TOS 1701 and you can't help but marvel. I don't get that feeling at all with AA ships. They leave me wishing for more. And I agree about the Bandai assembly flaws, though I have yet to attempt mine.


The JLs I don't see anything, they have weak, soft sculpts all over and almost no sculpted surface details, they rely on tampographed decos that sometimes are misaligned, and they use poor colors for the base plastic. And the JLs went for $7 to $10 which is pretty high for a hollow, often-misglued piece of plastic from a die-cast company. And the amount of recycling tools they did was offensive, but you had to buy them because the next wave wouldn't get released without better sales, and then the next wave would come and it's 80% the same tools yet again. They were fair at best and then had too many problems and strings attached for me to forgive.

Probably an accurate assessment, albeit a bit harsh. I still think JL presents accurate proportions and paint in their small-scale ships in comparison to most of their similarly-scaled competitors. I like their TOS 1701, 1701 Refit, 1701-A, 1701-D, 1701-D Future, KBC, Romulan BoP and shuttlecrafts. Furuta and Konami I've found also to be very inconsistent. And HW leaves a lot more to be desired. So no one is perfect. F-Toys probably comes the closest, but they only produced what, 6 models? Corgi at a slightly larger scale is a quality product, but again, very limited ST production.


IMO, no ship should be forced to accommodate its stand, if it can't be enjoyed in-hand, it's not what I'm looking for.

Fair enough.

Darth Duranium
07-14-2010, 01:15 AM
Thanks much for the HM chart, Darth. Very helpful, indeed.

Just opened up my first HM: the 2009 Klingon BC. Very, very impressive! The only bummer of sorts is that the wattage emitting from the torpedo maw is definitely too wimpy. Nevertheless, this is one fine lady. Might even be my 2nd fave ship behind the Corgi BoP. As a result, I am now officially hooked on the Hallmarks. I just purchased the Vulcan command ship, as well, and looking forward to the 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2010 Ents. Now if I can just decide eyehook or no eyehook or how to properly display them in the bookcase! Somebody stop me!!

No worries, Spec. I just corrected and updated that chart... someone else created the bulk of it. Welcome back, BTW.
Agreed, the HM KBC is simply fantastic (paint and sculpting)… best small version of that ship, IMHO. Gotta say that I like most JL versions too, and the Konami makes for a great escort for the HM… identical in size and it’s a cool sculpt. All the manufacturers seemed to do a pretty good job, oddly enough. Even the Furuta KAC’s pretty good.

I’ve picked up a bunch of really cheap (like $5) extra HM ships so that I can drill holes for bases, yank the eyelets, and chop cords off. If I don’t have a corded spare, I won’t do surgery… it just wouldn’t be right. :)
Furuta Vol 1 & 2 stands work really well for post-op ships, but I’ve bodged together a variety of different stands for my HMs over the years. I can take a few more pics, if you’d like. Plus, some HMs come with their own stands too, as you know. Shame that they stopped.
The HM KBC is quite weighty and well balanced so it’ll sit beautifully on any flat-topped stand. The Vulcan CS is more problematic for me simply because I have only 1 and the cord makes balancing a pain in the arse. The warp ring glows really nicely, so I suck up my rage... for now. :)



It's been a while since we had that argument though. IIRC, you feel that AA/DST are overpriced for their size and little flaws; while I felt JL are crap at any price with their heavily inaccurate sculpts, weak assemblies, and odd deco choices. I still think I'd win that argument. :D

The eyehooks are what have kept me away from the HM line (that and the prices, yikes). I would go without, but then I'd want to fill it with putty and paint over it, which is beyond my drive, so I pass.

The hell you say! En garde! :) Sure JL missed the mark on some (TOS Ent’s deflector in particular) but keep in mind they were originally $3 to $4 each, not present pricing. For their size, I still think that they’re a great value. Some JLs like the Ent D, first Voyager, and AGT Ent have appreciated greatly… usually over $30-40 apiece now.
I ain’t budging a Vulcan inch. :)

HM has gotten pricey when bought brand new from the HM store, but most are very cheap on eBay if you bid well. The tiny hole left by the removed eyelet is so miniscule and symmetrical that I’ve never bothered to fill any of them, actually. Honestly, it’s a pinprick-sized recessed hole and eyelet surgery’s a cinch.


My 2 cents: I think I've seen only 3 of the AA/DST ships in person. The HD 1701, the E and the latest D. I've been underwhelmed with all of these. Granted, the overall sculpt looks good. But the details definitely lack the crispness and awe that a ship that size ought to have. Hence they look too much like a children's toy than a collectible. The Bandais outperform them by a landslide, in my grading scale. The trouble w/Bandais is they require lots of blood, sweat and tears. The JLs have issues as well, but in my opinion, their small size goes a long way to ecxuse them, if you will. But for the life of me I can't understand that God-awful sensor dish!

Well, the eyehooks kept me at bay, too. But Darth convinced me that they can either be live with or easily removed. Still can't decide which. They're actually smaller and less obtrusive than I expected. Trouble is if you remove them, you have to invent a new way to display the ship. As far as the price, well I got the Klingon BC for $18 incl. S/H, and the Vulcan Command ship was $14.50 incl. S/H.

To me, the HD Ent looks like someone yakked on the saucer (spacesick?)… and I agree that the lack of painted detail on many AAs is hugely disappointing. Very toy-like to me, too… big seams, all plastic, weird base colours there, too. Keep in mind that I own a few AAs so I’m not gonna dismiss them as “sickening” or “crap”, but they should’ve done better for the pricepoint, IMO. No shortage of repaints from AA… plus the selection of ships is even more limited than JL’s.

Agreed, Bandai’s refit’s seams/light leaks are an issue, and don’t even get me started about Playmates ships! Still, I couldn’t resist a few BDs and PMs, too. I buy them on a case-by-case basis. But never by the case.
Agreed, eBay is the ONLY way to buy HMs… even new. But I’m annoyed that my 2010 Ent’s still in the post, though! Grrrr.


The HD-1701 is a bad example, that's just a repaint of the regular one which is emulating the lack of detail on the TV model from the '60s. The E has very nice detail I'd say and I can't think of where you'd find it lacking. The fine details on the D are a bit broader and have a little Playmates in them, but the overall I think holds up well. And considering these start at $35 now where the Playmates ones started at $20 just around 20 years ago, I don't see how this is unfair. The Bandais cost 2 to 3 times as much as the AA/DSTs and require you do a TON of work, and then they still come up with gapped seams that spill light out places they shouldn't, and they're a tad on the small size compared to the AA/DSTs. That's not to say they're not good, but they're not blowing the AA/DSTs out of the water in this sliding scale.

The JLs I don't see anything, they have weak, soft sculpts all over and almost no sculpted surface details, they rely on tampographed decos that sometimes are misaligned, and they use poor colors for the base plastic. And the JLs went for $7 to $10 which is pretty high for a hollow, often-misglued piece of plastic from a die-cast company. And the amount of recycling tools they did was offensive, but you had to buy them because the next wave wouldn't get released without better sales, and then the next wave would come and it's 80% the same tools yet again. They were fair at best and then had too many problems and strings attached for me to forgive.

Was there a Star Trek movie release in '09? I only remember a lame Star Wars knockoff with the name "Star Trek" from that year, but my memory may have been scrambled by staring into pointless lens flares for 2 hours.

IMO, no ship should be forced to accommodate its stand, if it can't be enjoyed in-hand, it's not what I'm looking for.

As for pricing, that's great if you can get the ones out now or recently that weren't popular, but the majority are very expensive on the aftermarket.

Never had issues with bent JLs or misaligned paint... maybe I'm just lucky. I think JL's aztec-ing and overall paintjobs are awesome for their size.
The AA E’s good but still kinda toy-like and glossy/plasticky-looking to me. Probably AA’s best. I still like the HM more, though.
Yeah, the Bandai’s are a serious task to build but the Japanese really do a nice job with sweet pre-painted (yes!) detail. I totally agree that present pricing is way too high but I still covet a Bandai E.

Hehe… well, at least you’re consistent about heaping scorn on Trek XI, JT… I had this crazy hunch you’d still feel the same way. :) Ah, well.
Couldn’t disagree more… Trek desperately needed a radical blood transfusion and they pleasantly surprised almost all of us Trek fans with the new flick. Almost all of us. ;)
It was paced like an Indy flick, instead of the aging, ponderous and clichéd treknobabble we all grew to love over the years. Fresh, fast, and funny with loads of glorious spectacle!
By the way, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and (especially) Enterprise hijacked enormous amounts of stuff from the SW universe, too. Square or Xindi Death Star, anyone?


It's not like there are very many options out there. I think the AAs are decent. That said, my main complaint is that *for their size* I expect to see more. More detail. Crisper detail. Less toy-like. Look at the extaordinary detail in F-toys and at such a small size. You look at the F-toys TOS 1701 and you can't help but marvel. I don't get that feeling at all with AA ships. They leave me wishing for more. And I agree about the Bandai assembly flaws, though I have yet to attempt mine.

Probably an accurate assessment, albeit a bit harsh. I still think JL presents accurate proportions and paint in their small-scale ships in comparison to most of their similarly-scaled competitors. I like their TOS 1701, 1701 Refit, 1701-A, 1701-D, 1701-D Future, KBC, Romulan BoP and shuttlecrafts. Furuta and Konami I've found also to be very inconsistent. And HW leaves a lot more to be desired. So no one is perfect. F-Toys probably comes the closest, but they only produced what, 6 models? Corgi at a slightly larger scale is a quality product, but again, very limited ST production.


Agreed on almost every point, Spec! To get the best of the best available, you’ve gotta pick and choose from the various lines. Unless you can afford Master Replicas or QMX. Or $300K at Sotheby's. :)
That was my original point exactly: for pernickity folks like us, they ALL have issues! Even the venerable F-Toys are too lightweight, can have some seam issues, and the stands are barely adequate, IMO. Still, they’re pretty awesome and I really wish they’d carried on. Sucks that Playmates dropped the mini-ships, but they’d have probably been totally underwhelming à la Hot Wheels.

By the way, I’m blaming JT for dragging me back into the fray! :whip:

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-14-2010, 08:07 PM
I’ve picked up a bunch of really cheap (like $5) extra HM ships so that I can drill holes for bases, yank the eyelets, and chop cords off. If I don’t have a corded spare, I won’t do surgery… it just wouldn’t be right. :)
Furuta Vol 1 & 2 stands work really well for post-op ships, but I’ve bodged together a variety of different stands for my HMs over the years. I can take a few more pics, if you’d like. Plus, some HMs come with their own stands too, as you know. Shame that they stopped.
The HM KBC is quite weighty and well balanced so it’ll sit beautifully on any flat-topped stand. The Vulcan CS is more problematic for me simply because I have only 1 and the cord makes balancing a pain in the arse. The warp ring glows really nicely, so I suck up my rage... for now. :)


I'd be very nervous about drilling a new hole on the underbelly of a ship. I'm fairly handy with tools but I'd rather not poke holes that I may regret. The HM KBC is nice and flat so for now I have it resting perfectly level atop a small plastic pizza box center that looks like a miniature 3-legged round table that sits in the middle of your pizza when you open the box lid. A bit lame but turned upside down it accommodates the cruiser nicely on the 3 "legs." Been looking at possibly a wire holder like this: http://www.kyledesigns.com/product/ORNAMENTS-HOLDERS-2S/Small-Chrome-Holiday-Ornament-Display-Stands.html?meta=GBASE&metacpg=ORNAMENTS-HOLDERS-2S&utm_source=gbase&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=&utm_campaign=ORNAMENTS-HOLDERS-2S Of course just to ship that particular bugger from Northern Calif. to Southern Calif. costs at least $8.50 plus 9.75% state tax... so... I think naught! Besides, at 8" it's too tall for my current shelf layout.

I'd love to see pics of your solutions, Darth.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-16-2010, 09:00 PM
Anyone have the time?: http://www.techchee.com/2009/04/28/star-trek-clock/

That's one way to display your MMs if you misplace the stands.

JediTricks
07-18-2010, 02:26 PM
It's not like there are very many options out there. I think the AAs are decent. That said, my main complaint is that *for their size* I expect to see more. More detail. Crisper detail. Less toy-like. Look at the extaordinary detail in F-toys and at such a small size. You look at the F-toys TOS 1701 and you can't help but marvel. I don't get that feeling at all with AA ships. They leave me wishing for more. And I agree about the Bandai assembly flaws, though I have yet to attempt mine.You haven't seen the AA 1701-A then, I would guess. Even their NX-01 has really good detail, but the Ent-A is IMO a home run. I would point out though that these start at $30-$35, have a lot of paint apps, and a lot of lights and sounds. That's a lot for a little, these aren't hand-made studio models, there's only so much fine detail you can get out of tooling, the material simply won't give you any more than the technology will allow it. The detailing on something like the Furuta Ent-E is excellent, but a lot of it is suggestion because at that scale it can fool the eye a lot easier than a larger scale, and it too reaches the limits of what molded detailing can do. And it's only around 1/5th the base price of the AA despite being much smaller AND having no lights and sounds, and less paint apps.

IMO, the small ships are all about the illusion of finer detail by putting a lot of it on, and then the Japanese brands get away with seeming superior by using paint apps to enhance (although the seams on the F-toys Ent-A is hardly fine crafting). I mean, look at the Konami Ent-A, it looks great, but the bridge is well out of scale to the rest of the saucer, it gets away with this because it's small scale and it distracts the eye with other stuff. The AA has much smaller issues and can't even try to get away with that stuff. If you scaled up any of these little ships to the 18" size, they'd look no better than Playmates products. Look at the full-sized photos in this gallery of various Japanese gashapon Trek toys: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gojulas/sets/72157620110388420/
They are very nice for what they are, but up close they are nowhere near as good as the AA/DSTs at that level, they can't even keep their surfaces free of pitting and molded straight.



Probably an accurate assessment, albeit a bit harsh. I still think JL presents accurate proportions and paint in their small-scale ships in comparison to most of their similarly-scaled competitors. I like their TOS 1701, 1701 Refit, 1701-A, 1701-D, 1701-D Future, KBC, Romulan BoP and shuttlecrafts. Furuta and Konami I've found also to be very inconsistent. And HW leaves a lot more to be desired. So no one is perfect. F-Toys probably comes the closest, but they only produced what, 6 models? Corgi at a slightly larger scale is a quality product, but again, very limited ST production.Compare the JL Borg Cube to the Japanese one (Furuta, Romando?), compare the the JL Ent-A against any but the Furuta vol 3 version, compare the JL NX-01 to the F-Toys. And their Miranda-class or Klingon D7 to any of the others.



The hell you say! En garde! :) Sure JL missed the mark on some (TOS Ent’s deflector in particular) but keep in mind they were originally $3 to $4 each, not present pricing. For their size, I still think that they’re a great value. Some JLs like the Ent D, first Voyager, and AGT Ent have appreciated greatly… usually over $30-40 apiece now.
I ain’t budging a Vulcan inch. :)You're right, they were $4 for the first wave because they were supposed to be die-cast and pulled all the metal out of the vehicles, putting it into the stands, which they knew wouldn't fly with the collectors at a higher price. Then it went to $6 during wave 3 and 4. I forgot how annoyed we all were when these first came out: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=25788
(The whole MM forum is littered with threads about these).


HM has gotten pricey when bought brand new from the HM store, but most are very cheap on eBay if you bid well. The tiny hole left by the removed eyelet is so miniscule and symmetrical that I’ve never bothered to fill any of them, actually. Honestly, it’s a pinprick-sized recessed hole and eyelet surgery’s a cinch.Photos?


Never had issues with bent JLs or misaligned paint... maybe I'm just lucky. I think JL's aztec-ing and overall paintjobs are awesome for their size. I don't mean this to sound as jerky as it does, but I simply do not believe you on this one. I just read through the forums posts about these from back in the day, there wasn't 1 person who didn't have misglued nacelles on the NX-01, for example. I think this is being viewed through rose-tinted glasses.

Also, what "overall awesome paint jobs" are you talking about? I certainly don't remember any home runs with any aztecking, though I didn't get any wave 4s. But waves 1 - 3 have really weak paint, lots of details lacking, bad base colors, issues galore.


The AA E’s good but still kinda toy-like and glossy/plasticky-looking to me. Probably AA’s best. I still like the HM more, though.It's the high contrast between the base color and the main aztec paint apps, due to AA/DST using the CGI source files for their design and not taking into account the source files don't have movie lighting applied to them.

And the HM is better than the AA? This thing? http://quityourdayjob.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/enterprise-e.jpg
It's the only thing I've seen of it, but I'm certainly not blown away. And it's at least $20, doesn't have as many sounds or lights or paint apps or a stand, and the detail looks fair but not mind-blowing.


Hehe… well, at least you’re consistent about heaping scorn on Trek XI, JT… I had this crazy hunch you’d still feel the same way. :) Ah, well.
Couldn’t disagree more… Trek desperately needed a radical blood transfusion and they pleasantly surprised almost all of us Trek fans with the new flick. Almost all of us. ;)Trek needed vision, this wasn't vision, this was generic JJ Abrams action/adventure junk. You can find lots of Trekkies and Trekkers who were dissatisfied about it. There was nothing Trek about it, they didn't speak to the human condition, they didn't expound upon a better future, they didn't explore strange new worlds and seek out new civilizations, no wonder even at the things trying to kill them. They simply threw out everything Trek at the core of Trek, the stuff that didn't need to go, and held onto the basest of trappings to make a cheap recreation of Star Wars with a screenplay specifically crafted to fit a studio system. There was nothing inspiring about that film, no love for the extrapolation of existing science into the ideas of tomorrow. Real Trek inspired countless innovations in today's world, inspired countless young people to become scientists and astronauts and diplomats and military that strive for something better; this New Coke Trek inspires nothing but killing and mindless action and a sense that in the future everybody's still the same jerk with the same problems and the same stupid solutions that didn't work today.


It was paced like an Indy flick, instead of the aging, ponderous and clichéd treknobabble we all grew to love over the years. Fresh, fast, and funny with loads of glorious spectacle! Not 1 thing in that film was fresh, nothing. It wasn't Trek cliches, but it was blatant cheap cliches cribbing as hard as they could from better works. Just because Rick Berman ran Trek into the ground after DS9 doesn't mean that was at Trek's core, it wasn't, Nemesis and Voyager and Generations and Enterprise and Insurrection are all the Berman school of studio phone-ins, not at all what Trek is at its core.


By the way, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and (especially) Enterprise hijacked enormous amounts of stuff from the SW universe, too. Square or Xindi Death Star, anyone? There is no defense for the Xindi thing, but the same can be said for anything "ST:Enterprise". The Borg Cube as a Death Star is not an apt comparison though, the Borg Cube moving fast, being an overwhelming starship, and using assimilation. Just because something is big doesn't mean it's a Death Star.



Anyone have the time?: http://www.techchee.com/2009/04/28/star-trek-clock/

That's one way to display your MMs if you misplace the stands.Ugh, what a waste of MMs. I hope they used the pewter sets at least. But there's a marked lack of sense, some ships facing outwards, the layouts making no sense, having no rhythm, and it's a $20 clock you can buy at Target for only $110 with the clearance-oftened pewter MM set glued onto it (hastily :p).

Darth Duranium
07-18-2010, 06:47 PM
I'd love to see pics of your solutions, Darth.

That's either the same clock, or someone's actually been "manufacturing" more of those clocks for a while now. Not so impressive, to put it nicely.

OK bro, here's a bunch of shots of the HMs on the hoof.

I forgot that I filled the holes on the Ent D and E (it's been a while!) with putty, so the holes are very hard to see... They're on Furuta stands, obviously. The other holes are au naturel, so to speak. ;)

Darth Duranium
07-18-2010, 06:51 PM
Next up, the KBC and a few more... sorry, too lazy to take them all down.

Darth Duranium
07-18-2010, 06:58 PM
Excuse the dust... a few more. Probably should fill the Voyager's hole, but it's much less noticeable than it looks in the enlargement.

Darth Duranium
07-18-2010, 07:37 PM
The rest... I hope you get the idea.

Yup JT, a few of your comments do indeed come across as jerkish, but I'm pretty used to your contrarian ways by now. :) :) :) I don't get my knickers in a knot about such things. But ya could probably dial down the hyperbole a titch, though.

Anyhoo, here's my JL NX-01s... they're all pretty good mould-wise, IMO. I have the AA NX-01 so I can honestly say that it's ok but still suffers from looking cheap and toy-like. I mean, who cares if the nacelles are perfect if the overall impression is sullied by crappy materials and underwhelming detail.
None of the comments in that JL thread were mine so it's not a case of rose-coloured glasses re: the JLs. The paint on the JL Ent D and the last aztec-ed Miranda were indeed awesome, IMHO. Check them out... they're quite cool.

BTW, apart from a few WLs, I never paid more than $3-4 for any JL ship. Bought them by-the-wave on eBay when they were new so they really were that cheap. Great value, at that price anyway... dunno about $30+ each.

If you're gonna blow up pics to compare 3" ships with their MUCH larger cousins, of course the details are gonna look sharper on the big ones. The point is that they're smaller representations and their details are designed for the eye at that smaller scale.

Anyway, enjoy the pics, warts and all. Some of the bodged-together stands are better than others, but you guys'll get the gist.

JediTricks
07-18-2010, 08:18 PM
That's either the same clock, or someone's actually been "manufacturing" more of those clocks for a while now. Not so impressive, to put it nicely.Glue, clearanced pewter MMs from KB before they closed (those pewter sets were clearanced there for almost a decade), and that clock at Target. If someone really were to pay you $100+ for that, you'd keep doing it too. ;)


OK bro, here's a bunch of shots of the HMs on the hoof.

I forgot that I filled the holes on the Ent D and E (it's been a while!) with putty, so the holes are very hard to see... They're on Furuta stands, obviously. The other holes are au naturel, so to speak. ;)Dang, I didn't realize the hole in the Ent-D was that small. You cut rectangular holes for the Furuta stands?

I still ain't gonna jump into the HMs though, they're too much moolah for me and stuff like the thick saucer on the Ent-A make me cry, but they don't look as bad off the eyelet as I expected.



Yup JT, a few of your comments do indeed come across as jerkish, but I'm pretty used to your contrarian ways by now. :) :) :) I don't get my knickers in a knot about such things. But ya could probably dial down the hyperbole a titch, though.I told you I didn't want to get back into it. I will defend to the death the opinion that the JLs are bad bad bad though, everything about the way that line was run came off terribly IMO. The rest I don't see how you can claim is hyperbole, you can say those elements don't bother you as much, but I don't see how you can claim they're a stretch.



Anyhoo, here's my JL NX-01s... they're all pretty good mould-wise, IMO. I have the AA NX-01 so I can honestly say that it's ok but still suffers from looking cheap and toy-like. I mean, who cares if the nacelles are perfect if the overall impression is sullied by crappy materials and underwhelming detail.Yeah really, step off AA, the JL NX-01s already have crappy materials and underwhelming detail coming out their ears, and there's a BILLION of them because JL had to release another one almost every wave. Seriously though, your pic reminds me why I don't display my JLs anymore, talk about mediocre paint and soft details, I cannot fathom what you see in them from that picture.


None of the comments in that JL thread were mine so it's not a case of rose-coloured glasses re: the JLs. The paint on the JL Ent D and the last aztec-ed Miranda were indeed awesome, IMHO. Check them out... they're quite cool.I meant rose-tinted glasses as a wider nostalgic thing, not compared to your particular past comments. I would check out the last Miranda-class (The USS Majestic?) had JL not made it impossible to find. I don't remember my D being that good, but I can't verify it with mine as it's "somewhere", 1 nacelle wasn't glued on straight so I just put it away.


BTW, apart from a few WLs, I never paid more than $3-4 for any JL ship. Bought them by-the-wave on eBay when they were new so they really were that cheap. Great value, at that price anyway... dunno about $30+ each.So you're going to ignore the shipping factor on them? Or did you get good shipping prices too? Or did you just buy whole cases so you got stuck with extra stuff? I can show you plenty of discussions here about the difficulty getting them, the base price being $4 to start (and not Canadian $4), etc..


If you're gonna blow up pics to compare 3" ships with their MUCH larger cousins, of course the details are gonna look sharper on the big ones. The point is that they're smaller representations and their details are designed for the eye at that smaller scale.That goes both ways though, you can't take the AA ships to task for not having even FINER details when they have lots of detail as it is simply because the small ship have a bump to represent an RCS thruster that the the AA ship has a detailed sculpt that looks toyetic to you because it's not even finer and wearing 6 paint apps.

Anyway, my original point wasn't that the smaller ones don't hold up to the AA/DST at different scales, but on their own. The Furuta Ent-E doesn't have straight warp pylons and it has a notable gap, detail or no detail. The saucer on the JL Ent-A is massively wrong, and has a nacelle glued on wrong 100% of the time, whether or not they sculpted 2 bumps for the phasers. That's big-time stuff, so to say the DST Ent-D doesn't hold up because it's details aren't as sharp as the F-toys is not a fair comparison to the DST. To say a $35 item that's as big as the Ent-D should somehow be as good as a $2,000 version is unrealistic and again, unfair. You don't like it, that's fine, but there are still objective ways to look at it.

Darth Duranium
07-18-2010, 10:56 PM
Glue, clearanced pewter MMs from KB before they closed (those pewter sets were clearanced there for almost a decade), and that clock at Target. If someone really were to pay you $100+ for that, you'd keep doing it too. ;)

It blows my mind to think that someone would actually buy one.
I'm gonna git me some glue and hit the Dollar Store!:thumbsup:


You cut rectangular holes for the Furuta stands?

Pretty much, JT. Once the wires were off, I just expanded the tiny holes into a slit for the Furuta stand, using the Dremel (a.k.a. God's Tool). Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.


I still ain't gonna jump into the HMs though, they're too much moolah for me and stuff like the thick saucer on the Ent-A makes me cry, but they don't look as bad off the eyelet as I expected.

Yep, them holes ain't so bad. Some HMs are pretty awesome (3rd TOS Ent), some not so much (1701-A). Lights up nice but I totally agree that the A's saucer is wayyyyyy too thick.
I hope this doesn't mean you're not gonna get some 2012 Preview shots at the SDCC Hallmark booth for us. Hopin' it's the Kelvin or the Ent C next year.


I told you I didn't want to get back into it. I will defend to the death the opinion that the JLs are bad bad bad though, everything about the way that line was run came off terribly IMO. The rest I don't see how you can claim is hyperbole, you can say those elements don't bother you as much, but I don't see how you can claim they're a stretch.

Well you said that you've been sickened and made to cry by the JL and HM ships, so I can only assume there's gotta be some hyperbole in there, dude. :D


Yeah really, step off AA, the JL NX-01s already have crappy materials and underwhelming detail coming out their ears, and there's a BILLION of them because JL had to release another one almost every wave. Seriously though, your pic reminds me why I don't display my JLs anymore, talk about mediocre paint and soft details, I cannot fathom what you see in them from that picture.

We're at opposite ends of the wormhole on this one, JT. :) I don't display my big ships anymore for essentially the same reasons. Plus their gargantuan enormity. ;)
Agreed, JL badly mis-managed the line and drove us mad with uninspired repaints, though their paint did improve as time went on.
The NX is not one of my favourite JLs (F-toys is much better) but I took the pic because you said you didn't believe me when I said mine weren't bent.


I meant rose-tinted glasses as a wider nostalgic thing, not compared to your particular past comments. I would check out the last Miranda-class (The USS Majestic?) had JL not made it impossible to find. I don't remember my D being that good, but I can't verify it with mine as it's "somewhere", 1 nacelle wasn't glued on straight so I just put it away.

Oh ok. Yeah, they were a nightmare to find in stores, especially the last waves. And yeah, I've heard plenty of reports of bad glue, too. Like I said before, maybe I've been lucky... I did get that Columbus/Galileo II hybrid shuttle.
Still, compared to Hot Wheels, they're built like a Rolls Royce.


So you're going to ignore the shipping factor on them? Or did you get good shipping prices too? Or did you just buy whole cases so you got stuck with extra stuff? I can show you plenty of discussions here about the difficulty getting them, the base price being $4 to start (and not Canadian $4), etc..

No I just bought them by the wave (generally $14 each back then) but I can't recall shipping, but it would've been cheap if I'd gone for it. So say $20/wave inc. shipping, roughly. It was the only way to get them.


That goes both ways though, you can't take the AA ships to task for not having even FINER details when they have lots of detail as it is simply because the small ship have a bump to represent an RCS thruster that the the AA ship has a detailed sculpt that looks toyetic to you because it's not even finer and wearing 6 paint apps.

Anyway, my original point wasn't that the smaller ones don't hold up to the AA/DST at different scales, but on their own. The Furuta Ent-E doesn't have straight warp pylons and it has a notable gap, detail or no detail. The saucer on the JL Ent-A is massively wrong, and has a nacelle glued on wrong 100% of the time, whether or not they sculpted 2 bumps for the phasers. That's big-time stuff, so to say the DST Ent-D doesn't hold up because it's details aren't as sharp as the F-toys is not a fair comparison to the DST. To say a $35 item that's as big as the Ent-D should somehow be as good as a $2,000 version is unrealistic and again, unfair. You don't like it, that's fine, but there are still objective ways to look at it.

I've always said that the only way to get a good small-scale Starfleet is to pick and choose from the various lines. All of these toys have their shortcomings and none are anywhere close to perfect, unless you're buying MR or QMX. But at least in small scales you get some choice and variety.

Where we disagree is in the value of the small ships: I think that the imperfections are far less significant than you do, and I think that they represent their subject matter very well, for their size. Plus they seem less "toyetic" to me, despite (arguably) being moulded less accurately.

Did anyone come out with additional decals/templates for the AA ships? For me, that would really put them over the top. Hell, I'd love (affordable) decals and templates for the small ships, too. They could all use some work, IMO.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-19-2010, 02:06 PM
Next up, the KBC and a few more... sorry, too lazy to take them all down.

Nice stand on the KBC, Darth. Where'd that come from? Did you cobble it together? Thanks for taking the time to snap and post!

OK, gentlemen, I don’t have many JL Ents, but here's what I do have, with a few comments:

TOS 1701 (1st release): Sagging nacelle; tried to heat-straighten, broke off, glued back straight. Like overall gray color much better than F-toys' white. Oh, if not for that dish...
TOS 1701 (1st release): Got a second one. Straight nacelles this time.
NX-01 (1st release): Sagging nacelle. F-toys has much better detail, but I like paint better on JL, and stand does not bury into dome.
1701 Refit (2nd release): Straight nacelles. Beautiful paint. My fave Refit/A outside the Bandai (which I may never build. Would like to look see the AA one.)
1701-A (4th release): Straight nacelles, but saucer hull was loose, had to re-glue. Aztecing OK but color off—tan instead of grayish—and overall finish is way too glossy. Hate the torpedo ribbon, so removed it. Didn't like the result at the attachment point so glued it back. Overall disappointing. Like the Refit better.

JT, I'm not sure I will ever attempt building the Bandai Ents so I'd like to take another look at the AA TOS 1701, 1701-A and E. I definitely did not like the D. Trouble is there is no store I can visit to view these, and they almost always look so much better online than in person. The other issue is size (who says size doesn't matter?) at 16" long, these muthas require a hangar.

Darth Duranium
07-19-2010, 06:02 PM
Nice stand on the KBC, Darth. Where'd that come from? Did you cobble it together? Thanks for taking the time to snap and post.

No worries, Spec. Hope the pics helped re: the eyelet dilemma. I'm not gonna win any awards for my stands but they do the trick.

Y'know, I'm not sure where that KBC stand came from... it says Lucasfilm on the bottom of the base but for the life of me, I can't remember what it came with. :) Probably a model of some kind... it's heavy model-gauge plastic. The stand came as-is... I didn't modify it it in any way.

Wow Spec... JL glue issues galore... I'm surprised there are so many! I can now see why some peeps are less-than-thrilled with the line.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-19-2010, 07:01 PM
You haven't seen the AA 1701-A then, I would guess. Even their NX-01 has really good detail, but the Ent-A is IMO a home run. I would point out though that these start at $30-$35, have a lot of paint apps, and a lot of lights and sounds.

Hmm, I was reading the Amazon reviews on the AA 1701-A and aside from the common complaint of the stand (ball and socket), someone noted that "NO LIGHT shines through the deflector dish (painted black?!) and TOO MUCH LIGHT shines through the saucer section." Is that possible, that no light shines through the deflector??

In fact, all the AA ships on Amazon garner reviews that are all over the place regarding their quality control. Apparently Mrs. Gump's box o' chocolates caveat could be referenced here as well. Except when one spends $35 and gets stuck with a nut and chew, you can't discard it into a napkin.

By the way, this looks like a nifty solution to the problematic AA stands:
http://www.trektoy.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=2798

(http://www.danmartin.net/toys/trek/stand/4-done.jpg)

Darth Duranium
07-19-2010, 10:19 PM
Hmm, I was reading the Amazon reviews on the AA 1701-A and aside from the common complaint of the stand (ball and socket), someone noted that "NO LIGHT shines through the deflector dish (painted black?!) and TOO MUCH LIGHT shines through the saucer section." Is that possible, that no light shines through the deflector??

The AA 1701-A definitely has a lit deflector... check out this "review" here. Lighting appears identical to the Hallmark... bridge, impulse section, nacelles. Neither have lights on the photon launchers, sadly.
http://www.wow-tube.ru/view.php?video=2gRgIJGXQu8&feature=youtube_gdata&title=Star+Trek+USS+Enterprise+NCC-1701+A+Starship+Review

Unfortunately, the reviewer's stand snapped off "when something fell on it" leaving the ball joint lodged inside. He had to dig it out and throw away the stand apparently. Someone wrote that they bought a prototype version of it and the plastic used on the proto stand was even more brittle. Must be built by Toyota. :)

The stand for the lightweight AA NX-01 seems fine to me, but I can see how their Ent D would be seriously challenged.

I had a similar drooping issue with my JL Ent D (wanted to droop forwards) but I was able to finally fix it with a tiny piece of putty on the ball.

BTW, we just saw Inception tonight... pretty interesting flick but not the FX action extravaganza they promised in the trailers, à la Blade Runner. Cool to see Shinzon back in action, too. A very Philip K Dick kind of Matrix/Mission Impossible mashup, with a complex Hitchcock/Kafka flavour. Quite worthwhile (some amazing visuals) but it covers a lot of ground we've seen before, IMHO.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-20-2010, 02:03 AM
OK, I think I'd get the AA 1701-A if I could find it. Alas, it proves harder to find than dilithium crystals, and probably just about as costly. :( May have to settle for the Khan version? But even that one'll run you at least 40-45 U.S. clams w/ shipping! Blast it! 'I don't like to lose...'

waggy
07-20-2010, 03:45 AM
BTW, apart from a few WLs, I never paid more than $3-4 for any JL ship. Bought them by-the-wave on eBay when they were new so they really were that cheap. Great value, at that price anyway... dunno about $30+ each.



been watching this auction. didn't stand a chance.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300445995844

Darth Duranium
07-20-2010, 04:57 PM
Spec, if I come across one I'll let you know. I think you should build your Bandai(s) too, BTW! :) You have the pow-wah!

Crikey, Wag! $283 has got to be a new record for a JL. I was eyeballing that seller's NX-02 Columbia but $88 is out of my price range for such things. Somebody paid $42 for a BROKEN WL Klingon ship. Madness!

And that WL TOS Ent (series 2 with the tiny insignia) went for almost $50. Why anyone would pay that much for the lamest of WLs is beyond me. It pays to check your Series 2 ships.

I got my Hallmark JJ Enterprise (a.k.a. the Karaoke Cruiser) in the post today so I took a few comparison pics for y'all (with the HW & Target/Best Buy Ents).

It's good but it has some issues, of course. Nice paint, great bright LEDs, a titch smaller than the HW ones. But I loathe where they put the light button (in front of the goddam bridge!) and the saucer could be slightly thinner, but I'm still pretty happy with it. Detailing's pretty sharp and it's a nice size.

A stand is gonna be problematic... not much room for a hole because the batteries go into the bottom of the secondary hull, next to the screw. Gonna have to sort something out, though. :lipsrsealed:

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-20-2010, 11:51 PM
Spec, if I come across one I'll let you know. I think you should build your Bandai(s) too, BTW! :) You have the pow-wah!

Hey, thanks! Right now my 3 magnificent virgin Bandais are resting in unspoiled peace (and in glorious pieces) in their boxes. Wish I could muster the cohones... they really are unbelievably beautiful things. I'm just afraid of screwin' 'em up.



I got my Hallmark JJ Enterprise (a.k.a. the Karaoke Cruiser) in the post today so I took a few comparison pics for y'all (with the HW & Target/Best Buy Ents).

It's good but it has some issues, of course. Nice paint, great bright LEDs, a titch smaller than the HW ones. But I loathe where they put the light button (in front of the goddam bridge!) and the saucer could be slightly thinner, but I'm still pretty happy with it. Detailing's pretty sharp and it's a nice size.

Darth, thanks once again for the invaluable pics! From the front view comparison it's apparent that the HM saucer edge completely lacks that distinctive rounded flair that's such a becoming, signature feature of this ship. Ticks me off that they blow off an important aspect of the sculpt as that! More bothersome to me than the location of that bleepin' cli***is affronting the bridge. Also, judging from the pics, it appears that the pylons lack a similar sweeping curve to them—although I may be wrong about that. I really was excited about this baby but flashing lights and overly etched lines can't make up for a faulty sculpt. I think I'll just have to pass this flashy beastie up; especially since I already have the HW and the Target ones. This one simply leaves me uninspired and disappointed.

Darth Duranium
07-21-2010, 07:51 PM
Hey, thanks! Right now my 3 magnificent virgin Bandais are resting in unspoiled peace (and in glorious pieces) in their boxes. Wish I could muster the cohones... they really are unbelievably beautiful things. I'm just afraid of screwin' 'em up.

If I could pull it off, I'm 100% certain that you could too. I'm hardly a professional modeller... hadn't really built anything since my teenage years. There are a lot of steps but everything fits very well. The instructions are pretty decent too, from what I can remember. No painting makes it 1000 times easier for newbies... I don't remember using glue, for that matter.
I just plugged away at it over a few winter nights and it came out fine, though not a nice as some of the pro customized ones, obviously.



Darth, thanks once again for the invaluable pics! From the front view comparison it's apparent that the HM saucer edge completely lacks that distinctive rounded flair that's such a becoming, signature feature of this ship. Ticks me off that they blow off an important aspect of the sculpt as that! More bothersome to me than the location of that bleepin' cli***is affronting the bridge. Also, judging from the pics, it appears that the pylons lack a similar sweeping curve to them—although I may be wrong about that. I really was excited about this baby but flashing lights and overly etched lines can't make up for a faulty sculpt. I think I'll just have to pass this flashy beastie up; especially since I already have the HW and the Target ones. This one simply leaves me uninspired and disappointed.

No worries... glad the pics help!
Yeah Spec, I'd agree that the rounded saucer edges are missing... they're too sharp. I guess they thought the additional window and deck detailing around the rim would make up for it. I do like the paint apps on the saucer though... the HW looks barren in comparison.
The pylons are curved like the others, but they're thicker than the HW or Target... I guess they accommodate the weight of the lighting in the nacelles and the wires.

It looks nicest in profile, IMO. Can't see the cl** either! :)
I like that the "neck" is not so short (like the HW) and I'm really impressed by the nacelle lighting and detailing. I'd recommend that you check it out at the Hallmark store before you pass on it... my camera sucks. :whip:
Short video here but it doesn't show all the lights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP2j3-tLLpg

BTW, next year they're doing a Romulan Warbird. I'm kinda disappointed... where's our damn Kelvin? :( And what's with them blue nacelles?

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-22-2010, 12:34 AM
It looks nicest in profile, IMO. Can't see the cl** either! :)
I like that the "neck" is not so short (like the HW) and I'm really impressed by the nacelle lighting and detailing. I'd recommend that you check it out at the Hallmark store before you pass on it... my camera sucks. :whip:
Short video here but it doesn't show all the lights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP2j3-tLLpg

BTW, next year they're doing a Romulan Warbird. I'm kinda disappointed... where's our damn Kelvin? :( And what's with them blue nacelles?

Hmm, the neck does look a tad short on the HW. But I can still see that "love button" from the starboard profile of the HM in that short clip. It sticks waaay up there, proud as Mary! I will however go to the Hallmark store on Sat. where I hope see it in the "flesh." :D Lights do look mighty fine, though.

Man, that 2011 Romulan Bird sure doesn't do it for me, at least from the pic. I'm perfectly content with my pretty JL.

Darth Duranium
07-22-2010, 02:28 PM
Big E keep on turnin'
Proud Mary keep on burnin' :thumbsup:

I'd make a few more comments but I think we're already getting into dangerous territory, so to speak. :)

Yep, it does stick out... I really wish they'd stuck it behind the bridge, at least. My least favourite "feature" for sure.
Lemme know how you feel when you see it "in the flesh"... I'm curious if you'll resist the temptation.
In making a stand for it, I realised that the HM Reliant and HM Ent A will sit perfectly on a Furuta (A&B) stand without any modifications. Cool! So I cannibalized the Reliant's old metal stand for the new Ent... it balances fine on it without drilling a hole, luckily.

I'll buy the Romulan BoP next year but I'll hate myself for doing so! I'm pretty unhappy with their choice... and I don't think anyone else will be clamouring for it either.

BTW the other day I picked up a Rawcliffe Regula 1 on eBay for $5 + shipping... it might not be all that wonderful but I think it's the only one out there. It'll have to do for now.
I'd like a MM Caretaker's Array too, but I don't think it's gonna happen... ridiculous pricing.
Speaking of space stations, I came across a pic of Mimas the other day... I think there's a giant Pac Man in that Death Star. :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-23-2010, 03:03 AM
In making a stand for it, I realised that the HM Reliant and HM Ent A will sit perfectly on a Furuta (A&B) stand without any modifications. Cool! So I cannibalized the Reliant's old metal stand for the new Ent... it balances fine on it without drilling a hole, luckily.



Pretty cool-looking space lab, for a little runt, Darth! Looks like a Monopoly token! :D

Speaking of the HM Reliant, I just received mine in the mail! Was comparing it to my JL Reliant which is slightly smaller and I always liked. Some observations:

• Sheer amount of detail, advantage HM.
• The saucer is a tad too thick on the HM, but I think it's too thin on the JL. In fact, the entire deck section of the JL looks too thin and flat. Advantage HM.
• Overall sculpt accuracy, advantage HM. (Although, both models have issues. The HM's pylons, for example, are way too thick and angled wrong—from the front they should look completely vertical below the saucer line, not at an angle.)
• Overall paint apps, slight advantage JL. That JL lettering is tough to beat!
• The JL isn't missing the forward phaser bank turret at top center. Hello?!
• The HM has the cool lights; especially nice on the insides of the nacelles. But it does have that proverbial, love(ly) button and the brass loop.

So, clearly I gotta give it to the HM. Pretty decent little piece. (Not sure how it compares with the HW Reliant, which I don't have and don't think I'll get now that I have these two—unless I can be convinced that the HW one is the top-daug and to-die-for!) Now if I can just figure out the stand issue. (Advantage here, JL.) Darth, what's a Furuta "A&B" stand? And what "Reliant's old metal" stand are you using for the new Ent? Splain.

Darth Duranium
07-23-2010, 06:59 AM
(Not sure how it compares with the HW Reliant, which I don't have and don't think I'll get now that I have these two—unless I can be convinced that the HW one is the top-daug and to-die-for!) Now if I can just figure out the stand issue. (Advantage here, JL.) Darth, what's a Furuta "A&B" stand? And what "Reliant's old metal" stand are you using for the new Ent? Splain.

Inigo Montoya: Let me 'splain. [pause]
No, there is too much. Let me sum up.

I sum up with some pics.
The Furuta Vol 3 A&B sets came with garish red and blue (3D chessboard) stands which happen to fit those 2 HMs, if you turn 'em sideways. I'm gonna paint them black and leave it at that. Sorted.

I ended up biting the bullet last night after my last post: I drilled a tiny hole in the bottom of the new HM Ent for a (metal) stand and it worked out fine! Previously, I used that stand for my HM Reliant. I was afraid I'd hit a wire in the process... but I didn't. There's a tiny nub of hard plastic next to the battery compartment which I drilled into. The stand was a dollar store item and it'll need a black paintjob too, instead of electrical tape wrapped around the base. :). Didn't need glue... it's a tight fit.

BTW, I don't think HM's saucer's rim is as inaccurate as we thought... looks less rounded in the first pic to me. I think the thickness of the saucer's throwing us off.

The HW Reliant is about 50% bigger than the HM/JL/Furuta/Konami and is a decent sculpt but it lacks much in the way of painted detail, to say the least. Very skippable if you've got the JL and HM, IMHO.

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-24-2010, 06:37 PM
BTW, I don't think HM's saucer's rim is as inaccurate as we thought... looks less rounded in the first pic to me. I think the thickness of the saucer's throwing us off.

Well, laddie, I beheld the lass with me own eyes and lemme tell ye, she's no garbage scow. The detail is clearly superior to the HW. And those lights are alright! But the saucer rim does lack any roundness that I could see. (Somehow that really bugs me!) And that neck looks like a fugitive from the WWE! The pylons, too, are bulky. Nevertheless, I may stalk her for about $20 or so and sell my all too mediocre—albeit by now quite rare—HW on Ebay.

BTW, I noticed the screw on the bottom hull rests inside a shallow well that might accept a dowel of the right diameter tipped with a spot of Quakehold putty to keep things snug. It just might work.

Someday I oughtta paint the inside of my white Billy bookcase black. Your pics always remind me how much nicer the ships look displayed against the blackness of space.

Darth Duranium
07-26-2010, 10:29 PM
No garbage scow... d'you mean she should be hauled away... as garbage? :)
Hehe... yep, my camera truly does suck... I really did think that you'd like the HM a lot more in person. Less toy-like than the HW.
Agreed, she's a beefy wench in a few places but some areas (like the HM's ample nacelles) push the HW toward the plank. If you lengthened the HW's neck and attached the HM's nacelles, lights, and paintjob to it, you'd have a Mary to proud of.

I just couldn't wait any longer. :) I paid $25 US for mine (+$4 shipping) which is considerably less than the $45 CDN ($43.50 US) box price + tax I'd have paid at the HM store here. The US box price is $33 so HM Canada are gouging bilge rats. Yarr. Hell, there's French on the US box so it's not like they prepared special packaging for Canada. Fifty lashes! :whip:

Lemme know if your dowel idea works... it'd be a much less terrifying approach than mine.:ninja: I can't remember why I didn't go that route but it was probably due to paranoia about wires, the dodgy thinness of the surrounding plastic, or the construction of the battery compartment. I think it's glued or slotted in, not part of the frame halves so weight and torsion could be issues. How will you change the batteries if you use putty?

Thanks, man... black paint really makes the stands much less obtrusive so the ships pop better, IMHO. My original thought was have an LED or fibre-optic starfield behind the ships but I've never found a simple and cheap solution. Any ideas?

Spectre o'the Phaser
07-28-2010, 02:01 AM
My original thought was have an LED or fibre-optic starfield behind the ships but I've never found a simple and cheap solution. Any ideas?

Having given it little thought myself, and knowing nothing about LEDs and fiber optics, I can imagine neither a cheap nor a simple solution. Apparently there's such a thing as fiber optic fabric, but I'm sure it ain't cheap: http://www.starceiling.co.uk/fibre_optic_fabric.html

Darth Duranium
07-28-2010, 06:09 PM
Cool stuff... it would be awesome to have something like that behind the ships.
Some other examples here... they even have "twinkling" units, though that wouldn't make much sense for deep space.

On another note, a couple of JL customs came up on eBay a few weeks back. The Akira-like ship went for $65 I think; the other one for $25. Both are pretty nice... might try kitbashing a few myself.

Darth Duranium
07-28-2010, 06:11 PM
A few more shots:

JediTricks
07-29-2010, 04:00 PM
Sorry to bypass the discussions we were having earlier, I stopped around #671 for Comic-Con, so I'll get back to that when I have a little more time.

But I saw something the last day of Comic-Con that I wanted to share with y'all, it was a booth that was showing Star Trek items that were to be auctioned off next month in Las Vegas. Most of them were props from Deep Space Nine, and it was great to see them, including some TOS-themed props from the Tribbles DS9 episode, but there were a few other items.

Among them, there was the Ent-E dedication plaque; an unused, unpainted, but complete Defiant filming miniature from DS9; and the thing that blew my mind, the physical study model built off the Ralph McQuarrie Star Trek Phase II Enterprise! I've only seen a few pics in books, and the drawings Ralph did, so seeing it in person and up close and from different angles blew my mind. I took as many pictures as I could, you can see it's mostly I believe foamcore and a few model kit parts, but it says so much about what could have been, and it's a little reminiscent in some of these angles of the Ent-D.

I've posted half-sized pics of what I shot (just quicker to upload that way) to Imageshack, here are the McQuarrie Enterprise model:
http://img227.imageshack.us/g/img0059lk.jpg/

And here's the Defiant pics:
http://img832.imageshack.us/g/img0076s.jpg/

Remember to click each pic in the gallery to view full-sized, the Defiant has some very nice detailing on it.

Darth Duranium
07-30-2010, 09:46 AM
Very cool, JT... especially the McQuarrie foamcore Ent pics. I've always been intrigued by it from the concept paintings... kind of a cross between a Star Destroyer (or Acclamator?) and the TOS Ent to me. I didn't realise that the pylons were so thick and vertical before these shots.
Still, nice lines and a very graceful feel. I love McQuarrie. Period.

Interesting that the JJ Ent has beefed-up nacelles, too.
I've gotta try kitbashing one someday or maybe pick up a garage kit.

Thanks for all the SDCC pics... especially the Hallmark shots. Shame there's so few ships on offer from anyone anymore... but I do appreciate the pics.
Enjoyed the Hasbro interviews a lot too... they really know their lines and seem to care. I was hoping for a Titanium question, though. :)

BTW guys, Drex TV (?!) starts today over at Drexfiles. :thumbsup:

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-01-2010, 11:29 AM
...the thing that blew my mind, the physical study model built off the Ralph McQuarrie Star Trek Phase II Enterprise! I've only seen a few pics in books, and the drawings Ralph did, so seeing it in person and up close and from different angles blew my mind. I took as many pictures as I could, you can see it's mostly I believe foamcore and a few model kit parts, but it says so much about what could have been, and it's a little reminiscent in some of these angles of the Ent-D.


Very interesting stuff, JT. I had no knowledge of this McQuarrie Ent. and that Paramount had been planning a new ST series. If only...

Maybe Paramount and the Syfy channel could work something out. Preferably in my lifetime. One can hope...

By the way that saucer on the McEnt. reminds me of a bountiful sand dollar. :D

On another note, I picked up the HM TOS Ent for a couple of bucks on Ebay. I was initially quite impressed with it, but upon further exam and direct comparisons to the F-toys I think I'd give the nod to the latter. Some key points for me:

I gotta say, the sculpt is not superior on the HM as I expected. In fact I would say that the F-toys sculpt is even a tad sharper, more accurate overall; pylons especially are better proportioned and much better angled—they're way too low on the HM. The only superior areas on the HM appear to be the impulse engine area and the insides of the nacelles. The windows are more deeply stamped on the HM, but I really think that's a minus since it's not crisply done. The paint is pretty much the same, although the HM has a couple of additional details. The F-toys actually has a very light gray to the base color whereas the HM is white. And what's up with that front of the neck section painted grey on the HM?!

The bottom line is that I gotta give the definite nod to the F-toys, even though the lights and the sound is cool on the HM.

JediTricks
08-01-2010, 04:40 PM
Very cool, JT... especially the McQuarrie foamcore Ent pics. I've always been intrigued by it from the concept paintings... kind of a cross between a Star Destroyer (or Acclamator?) and the TOS Ent to me. I didn't realise that the pylons were so thick and vertical before these shots.
Still, nice lines and a very graceful feel. I love McQuarrie. Period.I'll be honest, there wasn't anything in that case I noticed once I saw that McQuarrie study piece, I shot the others mainly out of "oh yeah, that too" interest. The McQuarrie was the star in my eyes. Like you, I've always been intrigued by it, it's repulsive as Trek and yet fascinating as history and McQuarrie especially. Then seeing it in person it changed a lot of my perceptions about it.


Interesting that the JJ Ent has beefed-up nacelles, too. Everything on the JJprise is thoughtless and meaningless design by committee. There's no sense of science to it, no extrapolation of ideas, it's just "hot rod it up here and there, then take ideas of past Enterprises so the Trekkies don't get mad", and it comes out an awkward amalgamation. I believe the pylons on the JJprise are "beefed up" because of the added neck, which is the same reason as on the McQuarrie, they added more neck and then didn't want the nacelles lower than the saucer. Unlike the McQuarrie which I can look at for quite a while, I cannot stand to look at the lines of the JJprise.


Enjoyed the Hasbro interviews a lot too... they really know their lines and seem to care. I was hoping for a Titanium question, though. :)Glad to hear it. I didn't think to ask Titaniums mainly because their most recent answers have explained their position, they want it to come back but the market isn't supporting it so they're looking to find the right venue. Honestly, I don't think the pricepoint can be supported anymore unfortunately, and there aren't any exciting ships left to do really.



Very interesting stuff, JT. I had no knowledge of this McQuarrie Ent. and that Paramount had been planning a new ST series. If only... Well, Roddenberry carried a lot of his ideas over to TNG, so it all worked out in the end. But look up more about Phase II and you'll seem some fascinating ideas all around. That McQuarrie piece is something special and unique to me, it comes from a time where sci-fi was going in 3 directions at once, before Star Wars had even taken over really, and there were myriad of ideas.


Maybe Paramount and the Syfy channel could work something out. Preferably in my lifetime. One can hope... Paramount did this already dude! Voyager launched UPN - the United Paramount Network - a few decades after it was supposed to launch with Star Trek Phase II! Unfortunately, Paramount turned Trek into corporate crap, ripping its soul out of it by then.


By the way that saucer on the McEnt. reminds me of a bountiful sand dollar. :DHuh, yeah, I see that now. The more I look at these new angles of this piece, the more I see seeds of ideas for the Ent-D. The rounded saucer "sand dollar" shape; the wider, tapering engineering hull; and the overall larger size of it specifically. But it's definitely its own thing too, and McQuarrie's idea was for a very much larger starship here.



And back to past conversations...


It blows my mind to think that someone would actually buy one.
I'm gonna git me some glue and hit the Dollar Store!:thumbsup:It blows my mind that someone would pay $100+ for it.


Yep, them holes ain't so bad. Some HMs are pretty awesome (3rd TOS Ent), some not so much (1701-A). Lights up nice but I totally agree that the A's saucer is wayyyyyy too thick.For me, the 1701-A is the benchmark of a line, if it can't get that one right, it has lost me.


I hope this doesn't mean you're not gonna get some 2012 Preview shots at the SDCC Hallmark booth for us. Hopin' it's the Kelvin or the Ent C next year. I'm not a shooter, and didn't even walk through the Hallmark booth this year, I was too busy. Steve shot HM on Thursday but hasn't posted the non-SW pics yet.

Looking at other coverage, it appears the new ship is the TOS Romulan Bird of Prey, which IMO is a snore (they did a good job, but it's a simple design that's been done a lot the past decade).


Well you said that you've been sickened and made to cry by the JL and HM ships, so I can only assume there's gotta be some hyperbole in there, dude. :DI said the poor design on the HM Ent-A saucer made me cry, I just didn't say if it was on the inside or not. The JL line I admit to some hyperbole, but it was a debacle the entire way and I stand by my anger towards the ONLY Trek vehicle line in the US at that time, and they screwed it up royally.


Oh ok. Yeah, they were a nightmare to find in stores, especially the last waves. And yeah, I've heard plenty of reports of bad glue, too. Like I said before, maybe I've been lucky... I did get that Columbus/Galileo II hybrid shuttle.
Still, compared to Hot Wheels, they're built like a Rolls Royce.Now who is guilty of hyperbole? :p I've seen plenty of JLs built as badly as the HW.


No I just bought them by the wave (generally $14 each back then) but I can't recall shipping, but it would've been cheap if I'd gone for it. So say $20/wave inc. shipping, roughly. It was the only way to get them.It's a cheat then, anybody who didn't want 3 repaints of the TOS Ent or the Klingon D7 or what have you were screwed royally. And I don't think $20 can be right because each wave had 6 "new" vehicles IIRC.



JT, I'm not sure I will ever attempt building the Bandai Ents so I'd like to take another look at the AA TOS 1701, 1701-A and E. I definitely did not like the D. Trouble is there is no store I can visit to view these, and they almost always look so much better online than in person. The other issue is size (who says size doesn't matter?) at 16" long, these muthas require a hangar.
I display all my AA/DSTs on a stand except for the WOK Enterprise which I have loosely sitting on my computer tower right here resting on the engineering hull and saucer (the see-through plastic of the saucer makes it unappealing to view from underneath, thanks again DST for 2 steps forward, 1 big step back, you cheap fraks!). I do not hang my ships because I want to be able to pick them up easily.



Hmm, I was reading the Amazon reviews on the AA 1701-A and aside from the common complaint of the stand (ball and socket), someone noted that "NO LIGHT shines through the deflector dish (painted black?!) and TOO MUCH LIGHT shines through the saucer section." Is that possible, that no light shines through the deflector??That is not entirely accurate, they're talking about the aforementioned WOK Enterprise, DST's repaint of the Ent-A, where they painted the deflector matte black and didn't put any primer into the wrong plastic they used in the saucer. But when you hit the button, the deflector lights up blue quite nicely in fact.



Unfortunately, the reviewer's stand snapped off "when something fell on it" leaving the ball joint lodged inside. He had to dig it out and throw away the stand apparently. Someone wrote that they bought a prototype version of it and the plastic used on the proto stand was even more brittle. Must be built by Toyota. :)"Something fell on it" is a pretty unlikely scenario, it's a vertical stand. And the ball is very easy to remove, the back side of the receiver joint is screwed on. And DST will replace these stands.


The stand for the lightweight AA NX-01 seems fine to me, but I can see how their Ent D would be seriously challenged.I have had my Ent-A sitting on its stand for years now without incident (I think it fell during an earthquake and luckily survived). It is a wobbly design, and I would have preferred they stuck with the 2-arm stand from the Ent-E, that was stable as all get-out, but not as spacey.



been watching this auction. didn't stand a chance.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300445995844Yeesh! Stupid JL made the market worse by their inclusion. Even the Japanese pieces aren't that crazy. I should sell off my JLs for big coin.



BTW the other day I picked up a Rawcliffe Regula 1 on eBay for $5 + shipping... it might not be all that wonderful but I think it's the only one out there. It'll have to do for now. Yeah, very questionable in the details, but if you cut the base off and flip it upside down, it does double-duty as the Spacedock office from TMP. (They're the same miniature in the films.)


I'd like a MM Caretaker's Array too, but I don't think it's gonna happen... ridiculous pricing.That Array is such a snore in person, I remember when we did the Micro Machines prototype tour back in the day, that piece was such a head-scratcher, and the proto version included was much smaller too IIRC. Not worth the coin.




• The saucer is a tad too thick on the HM, but I think it's too thin on the JL. In fact, the entire deck section of the JL looks too thin and flat. Advantage HM.The Reliant is a very thin saucer, it's the same thickness as the Ent refit design. I don't remember the JL, but the HW is good so I would think the JL is good too.


The HM's pylons, for example, are way too thick and angled wrong—from the front they should look completely vertical below the saucer line, not at an angle.I don't understand this, they're angled in from the front, and swept back from the side. ... Oh, I see, yikes, there's so much wrong going on there, that HM is really bad IMO.



On another note, a couple of JL customs came up on eBay a few weeks back. The Akira-like ship went for $65 I think; the other one for $25. Both are pretty nice... might try kitbashing a few myself.Those are not bad. $65 for a kitbashed custom is too much for something JL, but $25 is reasonable. I don't know about that blackwash they used though, that's not very Trek at all.

Darth Duranium
08-02-2010, 02:43 PM
Very interesting stuff, JT. I had no knowledge of this McQuarrie Ent. and that Paramount had been planning a new ST series. If only...

Maybe Paramount and the Syfy channel could work something out. Preferably in my lifetime. One can hope...

By the way that saucer on the McEnt. reminds me of a bountiful sand dollar. :D

On another note, I picked up the HM TOS Ent for a couple of bucks on Ebay. I was initially quite impressed with it, but upon further exam and direct comparisons to the F-toys I think I'd give the nod to the latter. Some key points for me:

I gotta say, the sculpt is not superior on the HM as I expected. In fact I would say that the F-toys sculpt is even a tad sharper, more accurate overall; pylons especially are better proportioned and much better angled—they're way too low on the HM. The only superior areas on the HM appear to be the impulse engine area and the insides of the nacelles. The windows are more deeply stamped on the HM, but I really think that's a minus since it's not crisply done. The paint is pretty much the same, although the HM has a couple of additional details. The F-toys actually has a very light gray to the base color whereas the HM is white. And what's up with that front of the neck section painted grey on the HM?!

The bottom line is that I gotta give the definite nod to the F-toys, even though the lights and the sound is cool on the HM.

A few thoughts: I just like the HM's overall impression: like a scale model, nice deflector area, tight flat paint, perfect size, good fit, thin saucer, not toy-like to me. I'd agree with your assessment of the F-toys... it's amazingly accurate for its size apart from the pylon connection... but the HM's just much more impressive to me. It is not as accurate but it's still a beauty, eh.:yes:
With Hallmark you're always gonna have thicker pylons due to the lighting, but I cannot fathom why there's grey on the neck either. Whuh?
It is well-scaled for the HW line... weird that Mattel didn't produce one.

Nnnnnoooo!!!.... the base colour issue again! :) Drexfiles proved that the JL's closest for sure, but to me the TOS Ent will always be white. I still can't get used to the grey Remastered version, though it looks good at times.
The one at the Smithsonian (pic) looks a great deal like the HM to me but the F-Toys is probably closest in colour, too. :)

BTW guys, check out the new SOTL animations Drex and Co. have cooked up: http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/drex-tv-01/

They've animated the NX Refit (1st paper model below), XCV Enterprise, Enterprise J, and a slew of others like the Sphinx shuttle... most animations are around the 8:20 mark. Takes a while to load but it's extremely cool! Nice to see the new JJ ships in the mix, too.

JT... so much... can't form a semi-coherent response in time allotted... will get back to you soon! :)

JediTricks
08-02-2010, 04:52 PM
No worries about a response, it wasn't a coherent post I made anyway, just cherry-pick something interesting if you want to respond.


The base color of the Enterprise will always be gray, it was originally gray, it was intended to be gray, you can blast it with light until it looks white, but it's gray. It's sporting gray reflective thermalcoat paint, that was written in the '60s, and it's the logic for why the refit is white and has azteking, they removed the thermalcoat because it weighed a lot.


Thanks for the link to the drex TV video. It wasn't all my tastes, I had to fast-forward through some. The Sphinx is not what I expected, I didn't remember it being drawn as a 2-seater or quite that curvy, and while it's an interesting design, I'm glad they didn't use it on the show, it would have been too odd for the time. The video of the ships of the line moving was fantastic, I could have watched that one of the Ent-A in spacedock for hours. The NX-01 Refit was ok, but needed more ship detail and less dock detail. I rolled my eyes at the JJprise and Kelvin. The stuff with the TOS shuttle and Klingon D7 was fantastic, they need to make little adventure videos like that every week, I'd pay to watch them... well, I'm a cheapskate, so maybe not "pay". :p The Ent-J is still an oddball though, very thin and very flat detail, that one continues to underwhelm me in every format. What was that ship with the Ent-D? Looked like a Federation version of a Cardassian Warship. Oh, and finally we get to see the pre-Federation ring-ship Enterprise do something, that was great, way better than the ST:ENT Vulcan ring ships.

Darth Windu
08-03-2010, 07:49 AM
Well finally back from the USA! Lovely country you folks have there by the way :)

Managed to get to a TRU and picked up the Hot Wheels Bird of Prey and Enterprise-D - very impressed! The BoP's wing features are great, and the Ent-D has a good saucer separation mechanism plus good detailing, glad I picked them up. Unfortunately I wasn't able to pick up a JJ-prise which is what I was most after, but hey can't complain considering that we get none of these in Australia.

Oh also went to the Smithsonian in DC and saw the original filming miniature of the Enterprise from the original series - very cool!!! Nice big model, rather well detailed too for obvious reasons.

Darth Duranium
08-03-2010, 12:31 PM
I'll be honest, there wasn't anything in that case I noticed once I saw that McQuarrie study piece, I shot the others mainly out of "oh yeah, that too" interest. The McQuarrie was the star in my eyes. Like you, I've always been intrigued by it, it's repulsive as Trek and yet fascinating as history and McQuarrie especially. Then seeing it in person it changed a lot of my perceptions about it.

It has definitely evolved from the paintings. Interestingly, there seems to be at least 2 different physical study models hence my confusion about the longer pylons.
The one you shot is known as the "B-24-CLN" and the one in the small pic below is called the Adams/McQuarrie Ent. I guess that's why the pylons are so different.
Very cool that they both (briefly) appeared on TNG and/or Trek III. I love that Trek always doffs its hat to its history.


For me, the 1701-A is the benchmark of a line, if it can't get that one right, it has lost me.

That's what infuriates me about my HW SDCC Refit... I just can't believe how horribly bent my saucer is. Nothing in my collection comes close to that degree of ineptitude. Hell, the MM one's straighter! If I could get that HW sucker apart, I'd have fixed it but the glue makes it impossible.


Now who is guilty of hyperbole? :p I've seen plenty of JLs built as badly as the HW.

Hyperbole sickens me and makes me cry so I never, in a million years, would ever, ever be guilty of it. :D:D:D


Yeah, very questionable in the details, but if you cut the base off and flip it upside down, it does double-duty as the Spacedock office from TMP. (They're the same miniature in the films.)

Oh yeah! I forgot that they flipped it... flipped it for real. (a fave Usual Suspects line).
That Regula's ok... but nothing to get hung up over. (whew, bad pun!) Here it is on the shelf, for what it's worth.



That Array is such a snore in person, I remember when we did the Micro Machines prototype tour back in the day, that piece was such a head-scratcher, and the proto version included was much smaller too IIRC. Not worth the coin.

Good to know... I'd pay $5 for it but not much more. I'd like more stations and arrays though. There ain't many.

I loved that shuttlecraft animation, too!
That boomerang ship was one of Drexler's rejected Ent J designs, I think. Yeah, I'm still on the fence about the Ent J... I'm not completely sold on the catfish mouth deflector, and it still doesn't seem very large the way it's rendered.
That XCV ringship is stunning IMO... gotta get one someday.



Well finally back from the USA! Lovely country you folks have there by the way :)

Managed to get to a TRU and picked up the Hot Wheels Bird of Prey and Enterprise-D - very impressed! The BoP's wing features are great, and the Ent-D has a good saucer separation mechanism plus good detailing, glad I picked them up. Unfortunately I wasn't able to pick up a JJ-prise which is what I was most after, but hey can't complain considering that we get none of these in Australia.

Oh also went to the Smithsonian in DC and saw the original filming miniature of the Enterprise from the original series - very cool!!! Nice big model, rather well detailed too for obvious reasons.

Welcome back, DW!
Agreed, D.C. is one truly impressive town (apart from the politicians ;)), and I'm a huge fan of the USA, too. Hehe... I remember reading how contentious the Ent's restorations have been at the Smithsonian. Trekkies even wanna argue about that Enterprise! Bless.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-03-2010, 03:58 PM
A few thoughts: I just like the HM's overall impression: like a scale model, nice deflector area, tight flat paint, perfect size, good fit, thin saucer, not toy-like to me.

Hmmm, I don't know, Darth... and speaking of that HM deflector dish area, I noticed that the protruding "antenna" is not; it's but a barely raised silver pimple on a copper face. I'm compelled to reach for the Clearasil. This and the painted neck and the fat pylons and particularly the sagging nacelles make me nuts!




Nnnnnoooo!!!.... the base colour issue again! :) Drexfiles proved that the JL's closest for sure, but to me the TOS Ent will always be white. I still can't get used to the grey Remastered version, though it looks good at times.
The one at the Smithsonian (pic) looks a great deal like the HM to me but the F-Toys is probably closest in colour, too. :)

Watching TOS as a youngster, I used to think the Ent was white, but now I know better. :D I actually like the remastered ship, and the grey color.



Paramount did this already dude! Voyager launched UPN - the United Paramount Network - a few decades after it was supposed to launch with Star Trek Phase II! Unfortunately, Paramount turned Trek into corporate crap, ripping its soul out of it by then.

I couldn't get passed Janeway-with-the-attitude, so I never watched Voyager.



For me, the 1701-A is the benchmark of a line, if it can't get that one right, it has lost me.


I wish there was a manufacturer out there who could make some really nice collectible Trek ships in the Polar Lights or AA/DS scale that collectors can sink their teeth and even their wallets, into. Collectors who don't want to spend hours of blood, sweat and tears of frustration (not to mention $$ on tools and wasted attempts) slaving over a dremel and an airbrush to acquire a worthy model. I wouldn't mind spending a small fortune for some collector-grade ready-made models, at least of the Ents. I just don't have the time, the talent and the experience to produce the desired result from a kit. I look at some of the models achieved by experienced modelers at Starship Modeler and I'm envious. All the power to them, I'm sure they've paid their dues. I think Bandai comes the closest to this level, but even those require assembly and have seams. I'm a big fan of TOS, and none of the AA/DS hacks does it for me.

Darth Duranium
08-03-2010, 06:37 PM
For me, most of the small individual inaccuracies disappear once they're up on the shelf with the Fleet, due simply to their diminutive size. Half the time, I don't see major flaws until they're blown up jpegs on my computer screen. :)

It really is fun to nit-pick, though.

I like these toys/ornaments/models a lot but I'd pay more to get my mitts on a small, perfect Starfleet. Unfortunately, there's not enough other folks who feel the same way as us. Look at SDCC: 30,000 new figures and like, 2 small ships due out next year.

Have you thought about getting someone professional to build your Bandai for you? Gotta cost less than MR or QMX. Perfection is possible at that price, dude. :thumbsup:

vulcantouch-mom
08-03-2010, 10:02 PM
I'm ignorant of the various size codes y'all are using, but wanted to see what was being posted, if anything, recently, on Star Trek models. I'm watching the 2007 special: "Star Trek: Beyond The Frontier" and it's bringing back a flood of memories from 2006 when I first had to move my son's collection pieces so his brother could use the room, temporarily. I'm getting choked up, watching the actual models as they were offered through Christie's, recalling the past weeks I've been packing and re-packing his massive collection for storage of the Star Wars and Star Trek models, figures, magazines, books, music, etc. because I'll soon be moving to Ken's home, having to leave this house by Sept. 26. One of the first models I noticed was VT's Borg Cube. While I had no idea there was a lighted version, and would LOVE to see a picture of it, so I'm off to Google. I've packed large models of the Death Star, Millenium Falcon, Enterprise, and others, along with hundreds of ships and figures from very small to medium. Hmmmmmm, should I be piping in oxygen for them?

I'm so very thankful to have been a young person when "Star Trek" began. I was an immediate fan, but nowhere near the fan VT was. He taught me so much about the series and all the offshoots. I'll miss his reading the books to me in coffee-houses. I still recall the first - involving the background of Odo, and his education. Many treasured memories meld between those of my late son and the ST/SW affinity we shared.

"Live Long and Prosper", y'all :thumbsup:

JediTricks
08-04-2010, 10:49 PM
I know this isn't a small ship, but since the other Trek thread is sleeping, I figured I'd mention here. Buried deep in the underwhelming Comic-Con DST booth this year was the prototype for the Klingon Bird of Prey:
http://photos.actionfigs.com/diamond-select-toys/p54944-dst.html

It looked really nice in person, although they set it up in a way that the wings weren't even and it was buried.

They're also re-releasing the Ent-E mold in Nemesis colors: http://photos.actionfigs.com/diamond-select-toys/p54945-dst.html
I think it looks ok, less dynamic but more screen-accurate, toned down. The base color still isn't gray enough though.


It has definitely evolved from the paintings. Interestingly, there seems to be at least 2 different physical study models hence my confusion about the longer pylons.
The one you shot is known as the "B-24-CLN" and the one in the small pic below is called the Adams/McQuarrie Ent. I guess that's why the pylons are so different.
Very cool that they both (briefly) appeared on TNG and/or Trek III. I love that Trek always doffs its hat to its history.That shot you cited is definitely TNG, you can tell by the softness and lack of detail, TNG was shot on videotape (hence never gonna get HD TNG) and it all had that look. I'm guessing that shot was from Wolf 359.

The lower pylons on that McQuarrie art you added is much more TNG-like than the study model I saw.


That's what infuriates me about my HW SDCC Refit... I just can't believe how horribly bent my saucer is. Nothing in my collection comes close to that degree of ineptitude. Hell, the MM one's straighter! If I could get that HW sucker apart, I'd have fixed it but the glue makes it impossible.What bothers me about the HW mold in general is the stupid neck is designed at the wrong angle, so the saucer tilts WAY up instead of only a few degrees.


Oh yeah! I forgot that they flipped it... flipped it for real. (a fave Usual Suspects line).
That Regula's ok... but nothing to get hung up over. (whew, bad pun!) Here it is on the shelf, for what it's worth.Looks good with those others, but man is it small, I hadn't realized!


That boomerang ship was one of Drexler's rejected Ent J designs, I think. Yeah, I'm still on the fence about the Ent J... I'm not completely sold on the catfish mouth deflector, and it still doesn't seem very large the way it's rendered.
That XCV ringship is stunning IMO... gotta get one someday.The Ent-J's surface detail is meant to be like the surface details of the top of the ST3 Spacedock, so many windows they don't look like more than dashes and pinpricks. Unfortunately, in my book the Ent-J looks like a cheaply-slapped-together frame (the back especially) with a quickie texture dropped on top of it, which gives no frame of reference to its size, hence it seems not that big (which it totally should but fails).



Watching TOS as a youngster, I used to think the Ent was white, but now I know better. :D I actually like the remastered ship, and the grey color.Back when TVs had contrast knobs. :p


I couldn't get passed Janeway-with-the-attitude, so I never watched Voyager.You didn't miss much, there was a smattering of OK lost in a sea of mediocrity.


I wish there was a manufacturer out there who could make some really nice collectible Trek ships in the Polar Lights or AA/DS scale that collectors can sink their teeth and even their wallets, into. Collectors who don't want to spend hours of blood, sweat and tears of frustration (not to mention $$ on tools and wasted attempts) slaving over a dremel and an airbrush to acquire a worthy model. I wouldn't mind spending a small fortune for some collector-grade ready-made models, at least of the Ents. I just don't have the time, the talent and the experience to produce the desired result from a kit. I look at some of the models achieved by experienced modelers at Starship Modeler and I'm envious. All the power to them, I'm sure they've paid their dues. I think Bandai comes the closest to this level, but even those require assembly and have seams. I'm a big fan of TOS, and none of the AA/DS hacks does it for me. Corgi tried, but the market simply isn't there. That's the problem, there's no market for Trek ships at any size for normal retail, it can only work the way DST does it, 1 or 2 a year through specialty retailers.



I'm ignorant of the various size codes y'all are using, but wanted to see what was being posted, if anything, recently, on Star Trek models. I'm watching the 2007 special: "Star Trek: Beyond The Frontier" and it's bringing back a flood of memories from 2006 when I first had to move my son's collection pieces so his brother could use the room, temporarily. I'm getting choked up, watching the actual models as they were offered through Christie's, recalling the past weeks I've been packing and re-packing his massive collection for storage of the Star Wars and Star Trek models, figures, magazines, books, music, etc. because I'll soon be moving to Ken's home, having to leave this house by Sept. 26. One of the first models I noticed was VT's Borg Cube. While I had no idea there was a lighted version, and would LOVE to see a picture of it, so I'm off to Google. I've packed large models of the Death Star, Millenium Falcon, Enterprise, and others, along with hundreds of ships and figures from very small to medium. Hmmmmmm, should I be piping in oxygen for them?

I'm so very thankful to have been a young person when "Star Trek" began. I was an immediate fan, but nowhere near the fan VT was. He taught me so much about the series and all the offshoots. I'll miss his reading the books to me in coffee-houses. I still recall the first - involving the background of Odo, and his education. Many treasured memories meld between those of my late son and the ST/SW affinity we shared.

"Live Long and Prosper", y'all :thumbsup:Good to see you again, Carolyn. :) Here's a breakdown of the acronyms, I'll put them in size order...



MM - Micro Machines
JL - Johnny Lightning
HM - Hallmark
HW - Hot Wheels
AA - Art Asylum
DST - Diamond Select Toys, who basically bought AA, which is why you often will see "AA/DST" since the same mold will come out in boxes from the different companies.

I find reading this thread in general makes me think a lot about Jean, someone says something about getting the MM Caretaker's Array for no more than $5 and I think back to how he would have pounced on that whole line of discussion, and probably made the amazing appear for the exact price (or even less), because that was one of his passions. Also, some of the comments from the others in here about detail at different scales was right up his alley, he and I would bicker a lot about the Micro Machines tiny ships vs Art Asylum biiig ships.

I'm glad to hear you and he talked Trek. It's funny to hear he started by explaining such a specific character like Odo, but in a way it's not surprising, that was kind of who he was, he liked to say he was Vulcan and to some he seemed Ferengi, but I definitely think he was more of an Odo in a lot of ways, the personality and ability to have a very rigid morality that centered on what he believed was right rather than what society said. That makes me wonder what my own mother thinks of her and my Trek times, she was a big Original Series and early movies Trekkie back when I was a young lad, and her father and she watched the show in first run, and I picked it up and ran with it.

vulcantouch-mom
08-04-2010, 11:55 PM
To be perfectly honest, JT, I tried to select a thread that I could enter, rather than goof again and post in the wrong area, initially. Shortly before he died, he'd given me a DPL sale-acquired set of Voyager episodes with strict instructions NOT to watch one disk until he'd shown me another episode he'd taped. We shared weekend evenings w/Star Trek episodes he selected - either DS5 or Voyager, and occasionally TNG. He liked the strength Janeway displayed and we both enjoyed Quark and knew I'd enjoy learning who was who and things the actors were personally well-versed in. I was really surprised to see Dax in "Becker" and a favorite of mine was Seven of Nine, who became a good surprise in "Shark". Robert Picardo now reminds me of David Hyde Pierce (of "Frasier") and Michael Dorn's jets paired him w/John Travolta as actors who fly/own jets. Such a varied and fascinating cast brought so much humanity to their characters that held us in front of our tv's like wee magnets.

Favoring round items, the Deep Space Nine station was always my favorite, and in the Star Wars films, I particularly loved the Destroyer Droids and the wheel vehicle General Grievous rode. That rocked!

Well, time to snooze - packing comes early in the morning. Sister, Shirley, JT's godmother, will be here, as usual to get me going - she lends the experience of having moved numerous times while her now late husband (JT's godfather) was in SAC as a B52 Gunner. She's a pro and VERY organized at that stuff, having had to do it alone, preparing for moving, while keeping things to use for 3 months ahead for her and their 3 boys.

Take care, JT - ooooooo! Now I have 2 JT's?!?

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-05-2010, 03:38 PM
Corgi tried, but the market simply isn't there. That's the problem, there's no market for Trek ships at any size for normal retail, it can only work the way DST does it, 1 or 2 a year through specialty retailers.


I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to corporate business and industry but it seems to me that there are enough collectors of Star Trek worldwide to sustain a line of quality ships and yield enough of a profit margin. I see the tremendous markup of the Bandais sustained over the past few years as evidenced by their Ebay sales.

Darth Windu
08-05-2010, 07:21 PM
In addition, what about the price of the Futura's, specifically the Defiant? It seems the market is there, there just aren't any manufacturers willing to put the effort into making a quality line.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-05-2010, 07:31 PM
In addition, what about the price of the Futura's, specifically the Defiant? It seems the market is there, there just aren't any manufacturers willing to put the effort into making a quality line.

Holly mackerel! I didn't realize the Furuta Defiant was such a Holy Grail! There's one available through Amazon for 100 clams! I think I'll stick to the F-toys one.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-07-2010, 10:55 AM
By the way, seen this auction for the Christie's catalog?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200479722076&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Wouldn't mind getting a set now that it's more affordable. Makes for at least a visual "collection" if one can't own the actual stuff. And how many of us can? I think the photos are supposed to be rather nice.

JediTricks
08-07-2010, 03:37 PM
To be perfectly honest, JT, I tried to select a thread that I could enter, rather than goof again and post in the wrong area, initially.Oh, that's ok, posting something in the wrong section is absolutely not a problem, it can always be moved easily by me or one of the mods. You're always welcome here.


Shortly before he died, he'd given me a DPL sale-acquired set of Voyager episodes with strict instructions NOT to watch one disk until he'd shown me another episode he'd taped. We shared weekend evenings w/Star Trek episodes he selected - either DS5 or Voyager, and occasionally TNG. He liked the strength Janeway displayed and we both enjoyed Quark and knew I'd enjoy learning who was who and things the actors were personally well-versed in. I was really surprised to see Dax in "Becker" and a favorite of mine was Seven of Nine, who became a good surprise in "Shark". Robert Picardo now reminds me of David Hyde Pierce (of "Frasier") and Michael Dorn's jets paired him w/John Travolta as actors who fly/own jets. Such a varied and fascinating cast brought so much humanity to their characters that held us in front of our tv's like wee magnets.Ha, yeah, they have gotten around. 7 of 9 also was a main character on the previous season of "Leverage" on TNT which was a departure from her normal roles. Robert Picardo had a really interesting turn on an episode of Justified as an art dealer who buys Hitler art, but as an actor he's always been incredibly versatile, popping up all over the place. Jean used to make a lot of those connections as well, I guess I know where he got 'em from. :D


Well, time to snooze - packing comes early in the morning. Sister, Shirley, JT's godmother, will be here, as usual to get me going - she lends the experience of having moved numerous times while her now late husband (JT's godfather) was in SAC as a B52 Gunner. She's a pro and VERY organized at that stuff, having had to do it alone, preparing for moving, while keeping things to use for 3 months ahead for her and their 3 boys.

Take care, JT - ooooooo! Now I have 2 JT's?!?2? Uh oh, 2 is trouble. ;) Best of luck to ya in the move Carolyn.




I'm fairly ignorant when it comes to corporate business and industry but it seems to me that there are enough collectors of Star Trek worldwide to sustain a line of quality ships and yield enough of a profit margin. I see the tremendous markup of the Bandais sustained over the past few years as evidenced by their Ebay sales.Worldwide means absolutely nothing. A company has to focus on 1 or 2 major markets in order to succeed, and either the rest of the world will follow or it won't. Licenses are granted by region, distribution is handled by region, pricing is adjusted by region.

France has a line of little die-cast Star Wars ships that come with a magazine that cost an arm and a leg each, it works for them but their attempts at market here in the US haven't done squat, and they struggle in the UK as well.

Right now, Star Trek is a very soft market in the US and North America in general. The reason you see Japanese items sell high on ebay is because of their SCARCITY, not because of their quality. Even the Johnny Lightnings are selling high, and it's only due to their rarity. A very small but very dedicated market here in the US wants to support it, but those niche markets cannot sustain even a mid-sized company, and only a mid-sized company can achieve a license from Paramount who has no idea what value their Trek brand holds, they overvalue it horribly in this respect because they see it as a household-recognizable brand across the nation, without regard to what that can actually achieve at market (very little). The Japanese items also end up undermining the US ones because the Japanese market can afford to be small because their small audience will pay much, much more for even slightly more detail, and they're willing to buy blind-pack items ensuring excess sales.



By the way, seen this auction for the Christie's catalog?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200479722076&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Wouldn't mind getting a set now that it's more affordable. Makes for at least a visual "collection" if one can't own the actual stuff. And how many of us can? I think the photos are supposed to be rather nice.They had that hardcover catalog for sale at the booth where I took those McQuarrie pictures, I thumbed through it and came close to buying it, it's quite nice although the pics aren't as big as I was expecting, but the idea of paying for an auction catalog seemed too ludicrous and I ended up passing.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-07-2010, 03:57 PM
They had that hardcover catalog for sale at the booth where I took those McQuarrie pictures, I thumbed through it and came close to buying it, it's quite nice although the pics aren't as big as I was expecting, but the idea of paying for an auction catalog seemed too ludicrous and I ended up passing.

What was the cost? The ones on Ebay seem like a decent price at $20 + $5 s/h; And I'm assuming it's one and the same as the one you saw: hardcover.. will ask the seller.

JediTricks
08-07-2010, 04:03 PM
What was the cost? The ones on Ebay seem like a decent price at $20 + $5 s/h; And I'm assuming it's one and the same as the one you saw: hardcover.. will ask the seller.
Oh, sorry, I meant to mention, it was $20 there as well.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-08-2010, 12:42 AM
Oh, sorry, I meant to mention, it was $20 there as well.

JT, are you sure they were hardcover? The ones in the auction are softcovers.

JediTricks
08-08-2010, 05:11 PM
Am I "sure-sure"? No. I was fairly confident but now am less so. I didn't pay a lot of attention to the cover, to be honest. My tactile memory is only recalling the deep binding (I hate when pictures are sucked into deep binding, thus distorting and/or hiding part of the picture).

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-09-2010, 12:25 PM
Am I "sure-sure"? No. I was fairly confident but now am less so. I didn't pay a lot of attention to the cover, to be honest. My tactile memory is only recalling the deep binding (I hate when pictures are sucked into deep binding, thus distorting and/or hiding part of the picture).


Yeah, actually that binding scenario sounds like a softcover. That makes me nuts, too. The seller raised his price $10 to $35 w/free s/h after I made a couple of inquiries! Rat-basterd! Now I'm gonna wait to see if it drops before I unfold by wad! It's the principle of the thing; I hate buying when the market is at its peak—even though I've been doing exactly that with the ships, since I started collecting post-Trek movie XI. :upset:

Darth Duranium
08-09-2010, 02:34 PM
I know this isn't a small ship, but since the other Trek thread is sleeping, I figured I'd mention here. Buried deep in the underwhelming Comic-Con DST booth this year was the prototype for the Klingon Bird of Prey:
http://photos.actionfigs.com/diamond-select-toys/p54944-dst.html

It looked really nice in person, although they set it up in a way that the wings weren't even and it was buried.

They're also re-releasing the Ent-E mold in Nemesis colors: http://photos.actionfigs.com/diamond-select-toys/p54945-dst.html
I think it looks ok, less dynamic but more screen-accurate, toned down. The base color still isn't gray enough though.

I think we saw the KBoP at Toyfair and I agree it looked great with the landing gear deployed. I'm pretty sure the E repaint was announced a few months back, too. Not sure if we had pics of it though, apart from the promo shot at EE. I'm not that impressed with the deco... lacks contrast, kinda muddy to me.
Hehe... looks like DST has penchant for repaints, too! :) 1 new ship per year? Sounds like Hallmark.


That shot you cited is definitely TNG, you can tell by the softness and lack of detail, TNG was shot on videotape (hence never gonna get HD TNG) and it all had that look. I'm guessing that shot was from Wolf 359.

I was under the impression that all the elements for TNG (effects, live action, mattes) were all shot on 35mm film and were then composited on video. I'd think it'd be possible to recomposite the elements into HD but I'd much prefer new FX à la TOS Remastered. I wonder if they'll make the Ent D look robin's egg blue in space, though.

BTW that shot was from the fleet junkyard in Unification, though the study models are supposedly at Wolf 359 too. I don't think they've been spotted onscreen, though.


The lower pylons on that McQuarrie art you added is much more TNG-like than the study model I saw.

Not sure which came first, but that model was for sale at yesterday's Propworx Trek auction in Vegas. Drexler, Okuda, Jein, and a bunch of others are selling loads of cool props and stuff. Printed catalogue is available, too.
There's a D-7 TMP prototype (recast from the original) in there too... new to me. I'm glad they built a new one for the flick, but she sure is a classic.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/22122


What bothers me about the HW mold in general is the stupid neck is designed at the wrong angle, so the saucer tilts WAY up instead of only a few degrees.

I've seen a few HW refits that aren't nearly so bent so I'm thinking the issue was factory related... very sketchy production and QC methinks. They held back their JJ-prise for months and should have held back the Refit too.
The newest Hallmark Ent has been reported to have saucer issues too, though mine took a simple twist to (literally) pop it into the right alignment.


The Ent-J's surface detail is meant to be like the surface details of the top of the ST3 Spacedock, so many windows they don't look like more than dashes and pinpricks. Unfortunately, in my book the Ent-J looks like a cheaply-slapped-together frame (the back especially) with a quickie texture dropped on top of it, which gives no frame of reference to its size, hence it seems not that big (which it totally should but fails).

Agreed... the textures are total crap! FAIL! It should have 10 times the detail, instead of blurry pixels. I can see why they didn't use any exterior shots of it on the show.



Corgi tried, but the market simply isn't there. That's the problem, there's no market for Trek ships at any size for normal retail, it can only work the way DST does it, 1 or 2 a year through specialty retailers.

Corgi dumped their Master Replicas Trek license, too. QMX are the only game in town for high-end ships now. I hope they do more small ships, like the one they did for the Amazon Blu-Ray release... but smaller and painted!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2S4E2rHcQg&feature=related




Hi Carolynn! I never knew Jean (he last posted before I joined the gang at SSG) but it seems he really made quite an impact here... lots of friends and fond remembrances to this day. Sounds like he was a cool guy who had great taste in Borg women. :)
Nice of you to keep in touch with his pals... hope you'll continue to drop by.

JediTricks
08-09-2010, 03:28 PM
Yeah, actually that binding scenario sounds like a softcover. That makes me nuts, too. The seller raised his price $10 to $35 w/free s/h after I made a couple of inquiries! Rat-basterd! Now I'm gonna wait to see if it drops before I unfold by wad! It's the principle of the thing; I hate buying when the market is at its peak—even though I've been doing exactly that with the ships, since I started collecting post-Trek movie XI. :upset:I remember the feel of the spine cracking a little when I opened it though, which suggests hardcover.

Sucks about the price raise. Market demand, ya know.



I think we saw the KBoP at Toyfair and I agree it looked great with the landing gear deployed. I'm pretty sure the E repaint was announced a few months back, too. Not sure if we had pics of it though, apart from the promo shot at EE. I'm not that impressed with the deco... lacks contrast, kinda muddy to me.
Hehe... looks like DST has penchant for repaints, too! :) 1 new ship per year? Sounds like Hallmark.We did see the KBOP at Toy Fair, but not "in the wild" the same way as this.

Of course it lacks contrast, that's how it looks in the film.

DST has always had a penchant for repaints, but they try to make them logical. They try to do 2 new ships per year, they have the Excelsior/Ent-B remold ready to go as well, but sales have to appear for 1 to get the other. They'd probably like to do more, but no market support. It took an extra year to get the market pre-sells high enough to make the Ent-D.



I was under the impression that all the elements for TNG (effects, live action, mattes) were all shot on 35mm film and were then composited on video. I'd think it'd be possible to recomposite the elements into HD but I'd much prefer new FX à la TOS Remastered. I wonder if they'll make the Ent D look robin's egg blue in space, though.It was shot on 35mm, which doesn't make as nice an HD remaster as 70mm, but is possible. But it was composited and edited on videotape which is what I was trying to express, that makes transfers to a higher quality format much more expensive. (It was also shot aspect ratio to further screw over the possibility of HD, but that's really just a side point.) And since the Enterprise is the color it is, yes, that will show, although the wash-out is probably going to remain in a lot of shots from the on-set lighting for the miniatures.


BTW that shot was from the fleet junkyard in Unification, though the study models are supposedly at Wolf 359 too. I don't think they've been spotted onscreen, though.Ah, I see.



Not sure which came first, but that model was for sale at yesterday's Propworx Trek auction in Vegas. Drexler, Okuda, Jein, and a bunch of others are selling loads of cool props and stuff. Printed catalogue is available, too.
There's a D-7 TMP prototype (recast from the original) in there too... new to me. I'm glad they built a new one for the flick, but she sure is a classic.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/22122Wow, that's a lot more stuff than I thought. Drex must be buying a new house. ;)

That D7 sure would have looked bad on the big screen.



I've seen a few HW refits that aren't nearly so bent so I'm thinking the issue was factory related... very sketchy production and QC methinks. They held back their JJ-prise for months and should have held back the Refit too.
The newest Hallmark Ent has been reported to have saucer issues too, though mine took a simple twist to (literally) pop it into the right alignment.You could cut the neck clean off and start over and it wouldn't help, it's still designed wrong, you can see it at the top of the photon torpedo section, it's just designed at the wrong angle, there's no assembly or even materials issue which could cause this.

At $20 a ship, I certainly would be reticent to twist anything on it.


Corgi dumped their Master Replicas Trek license, too. QMX are the only game in town for high-end ships now. I hope they do more small ships, like the one they did for the Amazon Blu-Ray release... but painted!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2S4E...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2S4E2rHcQg&feature=related)Corgi is Master Replicas, they are merged companies, not a subdivision of the other, Master Replicas' president is now the man in charge of Corgi. I don't know if the license was dropped or taken away the way it was taken away with Star Wars and Lucasfilm. eFX has it now, the guys who originally founded Master Replicas. But my original point was that Corgi (pre-merger) couldn't make a go of Trek vehicles at the low-to-mid price market because there aren't enough people willing to pay even $20 for a high-quality die-cast, quality-painted Star Trek ship.

Quantum Mechanix I have no faith in, they haven't even tried to be part of the market, they simply release product super expensive in low enough numbers to make their money back. The small size of their Stargate SG1 ships makes the price quite difficult to face compared to the Corgi line at 1/4th to 1/5th the cost.

Darth Duranium
08-09-2010, 04:57 PM
A lot of the Christies auction pics are still on their website and they still sell the catalogue, but you're gonna hate the price, Spec. ($90/$500)
I downloaded most of the ship pics to keep as reference... zero is my ideal price range. :)


We did see the KBOP at Toy Fair, but not "in the wild" the same way as this.

Nah, I think it was in the wild at TF too, if I understand wild correctly.
http://www.cooltoyreview.com/TF2010/DST/



Of course it lacks contrast, that's how it looks in the film.

Fair point... the CGI was pretty sketchy in Nemesis at times. I remember the reflecting sunlight off the ship looked especially amateurish, especially compared to ILM's work on the new film. Yeah, I know they had a decent budget this time, for a change.


DST has always had a penchant for repaints, but they try to make them logical. They try to do 2 new ships per year, they have the Excelsior/Ent-B remold ready to go as well, but sales have to appear for 1 to get the other. They'd probably like to do more, but no market support. It took an extra year to get the market pre-sells high enough to make the Ent-D.

Agreed, from the Q&As they do seem to wanna do more. I didn't know DST had such a hard time garnering retail support though. Playmates had the same problem with their mini-ships line, apparently. Noone wanted 'em, especially after the shelf-warming figure debacle. I did beg Playmates to release them anyway, though. :) You can see how well that worked out.:(

I think a major problem for toymakers is that Trek isn't particularly aimed at kids, despite the Wesley Crushers, Jake Siskos, and Borg Teens. Always seemed forced to me. Plus there's fewer alien critters with bowcasters etc.


It was shot on 35mm, which doesn't make as nice an HD remaster as 70mm, but is possible. But it was composited and edited on videotape which is what I was trying to express, that makes transfers to a higher quality format much more expensive. (It was also shot aspect ratio to further screw over the possibility of HD, but that's really just a side point.) And since the Enterprise is the color it is, yes, that will show, although the wash-out is probably going to remain in a lot of shots from the on-set lighting for the miniatures.

I can live with Starfleet wessels in different hues, so long as they're well made or rendered. I'll just have to wear rose-coloured glasses to compensate for the baby blue Ent D. :)


Wow, that's a lot more stuff than I thought. Drex must be buying a new house. ;)

That D7 sure would have looked bad on the big screen.

Agreed, that D-7 looks fit for TV, not the cinema. Personally, I love the KBC from TMP and both of the Konami and Hallmark versions of it.

I wonder if Ralph McQ's getting a piece of the action for the Ent study model... it was his ship, after all. Drex is getting to be a bit of a pimp these days. Did you see his eyeglasses "testimonial" recently? Puh-leeze.
And he needs to invest in a good microphone if he's gonna do Drex TV! Mumble, mumble, gurgle...


You could cut the neck clean off and start over and it wouldn't help, it's still designed wrong, you can see it at the top of the photon torpedo section, it's just designed at the wrong angle, there's no assembly or even materials issue which could cause this.

I saw a pic of a friend's non-SDCC Refit recently and the saucer tilt was pretty much negligible... I'll try to find a pic. Noone was more surprised (and annoyed) than me. ;)
I have seriously thought about amputating the SDCC Ent's saucer and resetting it (after surgery) but the under-construction stickers make it a truly dodgy proposition.


At $20 a ship, I certainly would be reticent to twist anything on it.

Go boldly, my friend. :)
Actually, if it hadn't popped into place with the absolute minimum of fuss, I would have assuredly sent it back. And MSRP is $32! I'm surprised because HM's QC's been excellent until now.


Corgi is Master Replicas, they are merged companies, not a subdivision of the other, Master Replicas' president is now the man in charge of Corgi. I don't know if the license was dropped or taken away the way it was taken away with Star Wars and Lucasfilm. eFX has it now, the guys who originally founded Master Replicas. But my original point was that Corgi (pre-merger) couldn't make a go of Trek vehicles at the low-to-mid price market because there aren't enough people willing to pay even $20 for a high-quality die-cast, quality-painted Star Trek ship.

Agreed, it's a shame there's limited support for Trek ships. Conversely, this thread's had almost 40000 hits so there's gotta be some interest.

Oh ok, I thought Corgi acquired MR. Good to know.
I didn't realise that Corgi made SW stuff and held the LFL license. Lucasfilm took it away? Please expand on that.... it's news to me. WTMF?


Quantum Mechanix I have no faith in, they haven't even tried to be part of the market, they simply release product super expensive in low enough numbers to make their money back. The small size of their Stargate SG1 ships makes the price quite difficult to face compared to the Corgi line at 1/4th to 1/5th the cost.

I couldn't agree more about their "marketing", but I like their work. I've never been fussy about the SG shows but I like the ship designs and would've bought the Death Glider and F-302 if they'd been priced sanely.

Why are figures a billion times more popular than ships? I'm curious as to what youze guys think.

JediTricks
08-09-2010, 05:49 PM
A lot of the Christies auction pics are still on their website and they still sell the catalogue, but you're gonna hate the price, Spec. ($90/$500)
I downloaded most of the ship pics to keep as reference... zero is my ideal price range. :) Sounds interesting, link?


Nah, I think it was in the wild at TF too, if I understand wild correctly.
http://www.cooltoyreview.com/TF2010/DST/IMO, a toy fair display booth isn't "in the wild", they control the lighting and such.


Fair point... the CGI was pretty sketchy in Nemesis at times. I remember the reflecting sunlight off the ship looked especially amateurish, especially compared to ILM's work on the new film. Yeah, I know they had a decent budget this time, for a change.I wouldn't blame that on the budget, I'd blame that on the director who was trying to "do something different" with Trek.


Agreed, from the Q&As they do seem to wanna do more. I didn't know DST had such a hard time garnering retail support though. Playmates had the same problem with their mini-ships line, apparently. Noone wanted 'em, especially after the shelf-warming figure debacle. I did beg Playmates to release them anyway, though. :) You can see how well that worked out.:(DST is a small company that's a division of Diamond Distribution, which has a very strange way of dealing with their retail partners - nearly all comic and specialty shops. It makes it a slow process for stuff like this, but it ensures they don't fold up shop over failures. It also means though that they rely heavily on preorders and sales of previous items, that's why so many TOS figures were canceled in their line over the last few years.


I think a major problem for toymakers is that Trek isn't particularly aimed at kids, despite the Wesley Crushers, Jake Siskos, and Borg Teens. Always seemed forced to me. Plus there's fewer alien critters with bowcasters etc.IMO, Trek has lost its original voice which didn't need to pander to kids, the original voice was something that was pure and timely and let audiences come to it. Kids aren't looking for the same things they were back in the '60s, or even in the late '80s and early '90s - TNG was the highest-rated syndicated show of all time until Baywatch came around. Also, there's a ton of competition at market for kid attention, and casual consumers demand more value for their money. It's a bad market, but it's also lost the momentum that Roddenberry Trek enjoyed for 25 years - this new movie garnered ZERO momentum back in that direction for Trek.



I can live with Starfleet wessels in different hues, so long as they're well made or rendered. I'll just have to wear rose-coloured glasses to compensate for the baby blue Ent D. :)There should be a logic to it, so it should be by era the ship is from - TOS era has thermal paint, movie era has no thermal paint, TNG and beyond uses different materials for ship building.



I wonder if Ralph McQ's getting a piece of the action for the Ent study model... it was his ship, after all. Drex is getting to be a bit of a pimp these days. Did you see his eyeglasses "testimonial" recently? Puh-leeze.
And he needs to invest in a good microphone if he's gonna do Drex TV! Mumble, mumble, gurgle...Not likely, McQuarrie wouldn't get profits unless the owner sold him part of it before the auction.

I didn't see his eyeglasses testimonial.

Drex TV is free, I could mostly understand him clearly, so I can't fault him for not using higher-quality recording devices.



I saw a pic of a friend's non-SDCC Refit recently and the saucer tilt was pretty much negligible... I'll try to find a pic. Noone was more surprised (and annoyed) than me. ;) Pictures can be taken from angles that naturally hide flaws, it's very easy. I have my non-SDCC version posed on the stand in a way that hides as best it can the angle flaw. Seeing in person is the best way to judge. But I'd be interested in seeing if these are reference-style photos taken from straight on, front and side, that might sell me.


I have seriously thought about amputating the SDCC Ent's saucer and resetting it (after surgery) but the under-construction stickers make it a truly dodgy proposition.You can't glue plastic to metal that easily, you cut that thing off and it'll be difficult to do anything with.


Go boldly, my friend. :)
Actually, if it hadn't popped into place with the absolute minimum of fuss, I would have assuredly sent it back. And MSRP is $32! I'm surprised because HM's QC's been excellent until now.I sure ain't bold enough to risk that much scratch on a small ship that's built funky AND fragile naturally.


Agreed, it's a shame there's limited support for Trek ships. Conversely, this thread's had almost 40000 hits so there's gotta be some interest.SSG has a high page rank and this is a very content-rich thread, so Google links to it very highly. A 54:1 ratio of views to posts isn't outrageously high though, especially for a year-old thread. And keep in mind, we are ranked highly in Google yet in a year we've only tracked 40k views, that's not a big market in a country with 300,000k people. I believe the proper mathematical terminology for that is "bupkis".


Oh ok, I thought Corgi acquired MR. Good to know.
I didn't realise that Corgi made SW stuff and held the LFL license. Lucasfilm took it away? Please expand on that.... it's news to me. WTMF?Corgi didn't make SW stuff, Master Replicas made prop replicas. They were expecting a contract renewal in 2007 and Lucasfilm pulled out, refused all terms, then eventually split the license to Hasbro for Force FX lightsabers and the rest went to newcomer eFX.


I couldn't agree more about their "marketing", but I like their work. I've never been fussy about the SG shows but I like the ship designs and would've bought the Death Glider and F-302 if they'd been priced sanely.I like their work, but only from an artistic perspective. It's too frustrating as a thing that could actually be owned - just not by me.



Why are figures a billion times more popular than ships? I'm curious as to what youze guys think.Personalities, accessories, interaction with other toys like it, the market's reduction in imagination. Same thing for why model building has gone from a major hobby market found even at grocery and drug stores to a tiny niche market in the course of a few decades.

Darth Duranium
08-09-2010, 07:30 PM
Sounds interesting, link?

http://www.christies.com/special_sites/startrek/overview.asp
BTW I posted a bunch of their shots in this thread (I think) a while back.


IMO, a toy fair display booth isn't "in the wild", they control the lighting and such.

Ah so, JT-san. I've been to exactly 1 convention (and zero Toyfairs) so I didn't know there was a distinction to be made. Hard to tell the difference from the flash pics, from my perspective.


I wouldn't blame that on the budget, I'd blame that on the director who was trying to "do something different" with Trek.

At the weekend Trek convention in Vegas, Frakes was quoted as repeating the mantra "I had nothing to do with Nemesis. I had nothing to do with Nemesis" :)
I actually preferred Nemesis to Insurrection, which was Frakes', I believe.


DST is a small company that's a division of Diamond Distribution, which has a very strange way of dealing with their retail partners - nearly all comic and specialty shops. It makes it a slow process for stuff like this, but it ensures they don't fold up shop over failures. It also means though that they rely heavily on preorders and sales of previous items, that's why so many TOS figures were canceled in their line over the last few years.

A sound business model, IMO.
The only thing I buy from Diamond are the SW DeAgostini ships, though they're much cheaper from other sources. BTW there's a seller on eBay hawking a few of them for $3/ each... inc some vehicles that were never made as Titaniums like the AA-9 Transport and Homing Spider Droid (both excellent). Seller's name is justprogs.



IMO, Trek has lost its original voice which didn't need to pander to kids, the original voice was something that was pure and timely and let audiences come to it. Kids aren't looking for the same things they were back in the '60s, or even in the late '80s and early '90s - TNG was the highest-rated syndicated show of all time until Baywatch came around. Also, there's a ton of competition at market for kid attention, and casual consumers demand more value for their money. It's a bad market, but it's also lost the momentum that Roddenberry Trek enjoyed for 25 years - this new movie garnered ZERO momentum back in that direction for Trek.

Well the movie did $385 million at the box office and another $100 million in DVD sales. Pretty hard to argue that there was no momentum seeing as the sequel's in the works and (unbelievably) most of the Trek community was largely happy with it.
Besides, after Enterprise and Nemesis, there was zero momentum to the entire franchise.
But it wasn't a kid's movie, same as most Trek. Seems to me that kids only want films that are based on toy lines or CG characters these days.


There should be a logic to it, so it should be by era the ship is from - TOS era has thermal paint, movie era has no thermal paint, TNG and beyond uses different materials for ship building.

Like white duranium? :)


Not likely, McQuarrie wouldn't get profits unless the owner sold him part of it before the auction.

I didn't see his eyeglasses testimonial.

Drex TV is free, I could mostly understand him clearly, so I can't fault him for not using higher-quality recording devices.

Don't get me wrong... I love Drexxies' site (obviously)... best Trek site ever. But there's been a creeping corporate-ness to it lately.... mikes aside.
I just finished downloading the last 4 Star Trek Phase II fan-made episodes and ripped them to a DVD. We'll have a laugh tonight and see just how good free can be!



Pictures can be taken from angles that naturally hide flaws, it's very easy. I have my non-SDCC version posed on the stand in a way that hides as best it can the angle flaw. Seeing in person is the best way to judge. But I'd be interested in seeing if these are reference-style photos taken from straight on, front and side, that might sell me.

I'll see if I can dig up the pic, Mr. Skeptical :).


You can't glue plastic to metal that easily, you cut that thing off and it'll be difficult to do anything with.

Krazy Glue gel's purdy good but the stickers are still an issue. At worst, it'll end up being a saucer-sepped Refit. :)


I sure ain't bold enough to risk that much scratch on a small ship that's built funky AND fragile naturally.

I still maintain they're not as fragile as you think... they are UL electrical devices and have to stand up to a certain amount of stress.


SSG has a high page rank and this is a very content-rich thread, so Google links to it very highly. A 54:1 ratio of views to posts isn't outrageously high though, especially for a year-old thread. And keep in mind, we are ranked highly in Google yet in a year we've only tracked 40k views, that's not a big market in a country with 300,000k people. I believe the proper mathematical terminology for that is "bupkis".

I can't recall any AF or Titanium threads going so high, but I'm sure 40k doesn't touch the SW figures threads' popularity. Oh well. I guess my favourite threads are all from Planet Bupkis


Corgi didn't make SW stuff, Master Replicas made prop replicas. They were expecting a contract renewal in 2007 and Lucasfilm pulled out, refused all terms, then eventually split the license to Hasbro for Force FX lightsabers and the rest went to newcomer eFX.

Oh ok, I misunderstood. Yeah, I knew about MR's stuff, but I didn't realise they'd been cast out by LFL.



Personalities, accessories, interaction with other toys like it, the market's reduction in imagination. Same thing for why model building has gone from a major hobby market found even at grocery and drug stores to a tiny niche market in the course of a few decades.

Good points, JT. The dearth of imagination strikes a chord, especially.
Seems that the entire toy market's shrinking, based on the size of the toy sections I've seen (from afar) recently. Since the Titanium line and the others died, I rarely go to TRU, WM, hobby or comic shops anymore. Nuthin' for me to buy.

JayJay
08-13-2010, 12:38 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to all for this thread - I was looking for a small-scale TOS Enterprise and Refit and was able to pick up which ones would suit my taste by reading through this thread.

I almost bought the Konami Refit but after seeing the warped nacelle posted somewhere in here I went with F-Toys instead. Nice detail (not perfect, but nice) and it looks proportioned right.

Also, I decided to jazz it up a bit and add lighting. I even thought about splitting the pieces to see if I could dremel-out space, but then I came to my senses and painted it instead.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-13-2010, 12:47 PM
Just wanted to say thanks to all for this thread - I was looking for a small-scale TOS Enterprise and Refit and was able to pick up which ones would suit my taste by reading through this thread.

I almost bought the Konami Refit but after seeing the warped nacelle posted somewhere in here I went with F-Toys instead. Nice detail (not perfect, but nice) and it looks proportioned right.

Also, I decided to jazz it up a bit and add lighting. I even thought about splitting the pieces to see if I could dremel-out space, but then I came to my senses and painted it instead.


Wow, nice job, JJ! I can't believe you managed to add lights at such scale!! How'd you do it? Which parts are lit, exactly, and which are paint? A little hard to tell from the pics.

I've decided that the F-toys TOS Ent is the most impressive to me. The Refit is a toss-up between the JL and the F-toys... would have to do a head to head comparison between those two.

JayJay
08-13-2010, 01:00 PM
Thx Spectre.

It's all painted - with glow-in-the-dark paint. It's too small for me to consider putting lights in it. Someone may have that skill, but not me.

The paint is a bit hard to deal with because it is like a latex - it suspends the glow particles in an emulsion, so it's hard to do detail work with because the consistency is a bit thick. But it's good enough I guess.

Sorry about the pic quality but it's tough to get decent pics in low light. All the little windows glow in pitch dark, but you can't see it in the pics.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-15-2010, 11:13 PM
Are you kidding me? —> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160464734709&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Darth Duranium
08-16-2010, 04:55 PM
Nice job with your Refit, JJ... your precision paint work is most impressive!
What are you using to paint your windows and lights with? A pin? Looks great!

Spec, that price is completely insane! Have people lost their minds?

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-16-2010, 05:29 PM
Spec, that price is completely insane! Have people lost their minds?


I was hoping to secure this fine lady for about 50 clams. Silly me!

JayJay
08-17-2010, 07:54 AM
Nice job with your Refit, JJ... your precision paint work is most impressive!
What are you using to paint your windows and lights with? A pin? Looks great!

Spec, that price is completely insane! Have people lost their minds?

Thank you Darth. And thanks for all the info in this thread. To paint the windows I break a wooden toothpick and pull it apart at an angle to make a sharp point, then trim that point even smaller if necessary. The windows are relatively easy to fill because they are dimples, so I just filled the dimples. I added a few dabs where there are supposed to be running lights.

I used this paint http://www.glonation.com/

It's not bad, even in small doses like this project. The Red glow only lasts about 15-20 minutes (impulse engines/torpedo launchers) but the deflector/engines/impulse dome/windows/arboretum will actually glow for hours after a decent charge (held to a light source for about 2 minutes).

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-17-2010, 10:30 AM
JJ, I do believe you may have started a new trend among small scale collectors here. Thanks for showing us the light!

Beast
08-17-2010, 10:58 AM
I don't think it's been mentioned here as of yet....

But NECA/Wizkids, the same folks behind Heroclix are planning to release a Star Trek ship battle game next year that will include high quality digital sculpts of the various ships from Star Trek. The game, "Star Trek: Fleet Commander" will come in boxed sets that give you a full compliment of ships rather than the Blind Boosters for Heroclix. The first set will be a 2-Player game, featuring Starfleet Vs. Klingons and should be out mid to late 2011.

And some info from someone who was at GenCon and saw how it plays:

Star Trek: Fleet Captains is designed for two or more players and is more adversarial in nature when compared to Star Trek: Expeditions.

Each player begins play with a fleet of ships and starts at opposite ends of an unexplored sector of space. This sector of space is represented by hexegonal cards (which are shuffled before play and placed face-down in a pre-determined pattern). As each ship progresses through the sector, you turn the tiles face up, revealing what is in that part of the sector (a Class-M planet, a Class-J Nebula, empty space, etc...). Hopefully you will discover and acquire resources while simultaneously denying them to your opponent(s).

When conflict inevitably breaks out, you and your opponent(s) will battle it out for sector supremacy. Last fleet standing wins the sector for their respective faction.

The ships in the demo were cardboard mock-ups, but on-hand were the prototypes that WK created just prior to the show. Each was fully rendered as a digital sculpt and created utilizing a 3D printer. They are BEAUTIFUL and its obvious a lot of care went into their design and creation IMHO.

On display were:

Federation:
Soveriegn-Class (i.e. Enterprise E), two sizes
Intrepid-Class (i.e. Voyager)
Galaxy-Class (i.e. Enterprise D)
Constitution-Class, Refit (i.e. Enterprise A)
Excelsior-Class (i.e. Excelsior)

Klingon:
Negh'var-Class (i.e. Negh'var), three sizes
Vor'cha-Class (i.e. Vortas)
K'vort-Class (i.e. "Bird of Prey")
K'tinga-Class (i.e. D-7-Class, ST: TOS)

Each ship will be on a base with a dial and accompanied by a "Ship Card". The Card denotes three different statuses for each ship; normal operating, Yellow Alert, and Red Alert. Each status affects how your dial plays as well as how the game and your opponents interact with you.

There is also a deck of cards involved that each player brings with their fleet, and these are used during gameplay to affect the outcome of battles, player interactions, etc...

This game is also marketed as a non-collectible, non-blind product but will also be built upon the exapandable board game model. Initially, it will offer just Federation and Klingon fleets, but as I understand it there are already plans to offer more ships and factions (for example, a "Romulan Fleet Expansion" box, a "Cardassian Fleet Expansion" box, etc...).

Star Trek: Fleet Captains is due out in mid- to late-2011. It is still in the R&D phase so no price point has been set just yet.

And a bit more info:

http://m.io9.com/5613267/wizkids-planning-two-new-star-trek-games

http://teamcovenant.com/08/14/2010/my-gencon-2010-terrence-miltner/

http://www.gamesalute.com/?p=2578

Here's some pics of the mostly unpainted original digital sculpts:

JayJay
08-18-2010, 07:56 AM
JJ, I do believe you may have started a new trend among small scale collectors here. Thanks for showing us the light!

You're welcome Spectre! This thread helped me choose the right small-scale ship for me.

I was looking into doing the same for my F-Toys TOS 1701, but unfortunately the casting on mine did not make the windows on one side of the ship very distinct (almost not even there), so it's not just a fill-in-the-window process.

Beast - those ships for that game look excellent!

NightCastle
08-18-2010, 07:42 PM
I don't think it's been mentioned here as of yet....

But NECA/Wizkids, the same folks behind Heroclix are planning to release a Star Trek ship battle game next year that will include high quality digital sculpts of the various ships from Star Trek. The game, "Star Trek: Fleet Commander" will come in boxed sets that give you a full compliment of ships rather than the Blind Boosters for Heroclix. The first set will be a 2-Player game, featuring Starfleet Vs. Klingons and should be out mid to late 2011.

And some info from someone who was at GenCon and saw how it plays:


And a bit more info:

http://m.io9.com/5613267/wizkids-planning-two-new-star-trek-games

http://teamcovenant.com/08/14/2010/my-gencon-2010-terrence-miltner/

http://www.gamesalute.com/?p=2578

Here's some pics of the mostly unpainted original digital sculpts:


Actually, I posted the announcement on June 9th (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?p=727935&highlight=WizKids#post727935) after the June 8th announcement occurred, but thank you for the pics and the update to the game. :thumbsup:

Blue2th
08-18-2010, 10:27 PM
Those gaming ships should be nicely detailed with the newer digital technology to create them. I hope they come painted of course. Maybe we'll see some really obscure ships later on, though any Excelsior right away is on my hit list with the only ones being the Furuta mini ship and the Micromachine one. I'm not a gamer and I'll buy these just for the ships.

Bought the Hallmark JJ Enterprise today. I had to look at three of them till I found one that the nacelles line up with the saucer section. Most of the ones I've seen and the ones on display the saucer section is leaning and the nacelles are all wonky looking not lining up from a straight on view. So look em over carefully before you buy one for $32 plus tax if that kind of thing bothers you like it does me.
Thought I'd pass that along for those who haven't purchased one yet.

Darth Duranium
08-19-2010, 02:01 AM
Wow Spec. $226. The market's red hot. It's selective though: the '91 Hallmark Ent's well under a hundred bucks now, and the big Playmate ships seem to go for peanuts.

JJ, thanks for the paint info. Man, it would be so cool to have the whole Fleet all lit up like that! I particularly like your running lights... it's all quite excellent. Two question: how does the paint look on the ships in daylight? And, how long will the paint remain phosphorescent? Years?

Beast, thanks for the update. :thumbsup: I took a few captures from your video link.

Hey Blue. Agreed, digital design bodes well for these... if they can keep the quality up in production. And you've forgetten: Konami, Romando, and Applause also made small Excelsior-class ships. ;)
WTF's up with Hallmark these days? Their QC used to be great. I had an issue with that ship too.



Out of the NECAs, I'm looking forward to the big Negh'var most.

The green one is actual size and paint, but the Sovereign and some of the others are LARGER than their final production sizes are gonna be, according to the nervous NECA rep dude in the video. I hope he mis-spoke. He also mentioned a Prometheus but there's none I saw there.

So anyhoo, we're looking at MM sized or slightly larger... Romando territory.

Blue2th
08-19-2010, 08:46 AM
Konami, Romando and Applause made the Excelsior?

I had no idea. Do you have any of those? I know Applause made a "Lost in the Nexus" diorama with the Enterprise B, and I bought the Konami set of ships and that's an Enterprise B too.
The Excelsior is easy to mistake as the B but the secondary hull is different, particularly up by the deflector (no ridges on the Excelsior) Those Romando ships are impossible to get now so I don't know. Did I miss it DH? arrg!

Anyways I know these new gaming ships probably have to be a soft plastic, but I hope we don't end up with a bunch of warped ships like the Konami's and the Star Wars gaming pieces, but yeah probably more detail with the digital tech.

I like your detailing with the florescent paint btw JJ...and welcome to the only SSSS thread on the web I know of. :thumbsup:

JayJay
08-19-2010, 09:27 AM
JJ, thanks for the paint info. Man, it would be so cool to have the whole Fleet all lit up like that! I particularly like your running lights... it's all quite excellent. Two question: how does the paint look on the ships in daylight? And, how long will the paint remain phosphorescent? Years?

Darth: The paint is ok in daylight. The Red is a brighter hue than I would like but it glows at the right color, and fortunately there aren't a lot of parts that have red (impulse engine at the back being the biggest piece). You would be able to see the paint if held up close because it is like a latex (a bit like rubber cement), but since the scale is so small to begin with, it isn't noticeable at a normal viewing distance (at least for me).

Also, because of the latex-like consistency, it will obscure some of the very fine detail if layered on too thick (like the small lines in the impulse dome. The inner part of the engines still show their ridges though). Since I was experimenting and trying the paint for the 1st time, I actually bought 2 refits in case I screwed up mightily. I chose the one with the most imperfections (some paint overspray on the saucer) to experiment on. Turns out that I can scrape-off any of my paint mistakes with my thumbnail (again, like scraping off a bit of rubber-cement).

According to the claims, the paint glow lasts forever. To protect it, the site recommends a coat of flat finish like any other paint, but I haven't done that (yet).

Darth Windu
08-19-2010, 10:33 AM
Wow, those NECA ships look goooooood! I'm with ya DH, the large Negh'var looks like the pick of the bunch to me, but if the quality is as good as in those pics, I think I'll sign myself up for all of them.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-19-2010, 10:34 AM
Bought the Hallmark JJ Enterprise today. I had to look at three of them till I found one that the nacelles line up with the saucer section. Most of the ones I've seen and the ones on display the saucer section is leaning and the nacelles are all wonky looking not lining up from a straight on view. So look em over carefully before you buy one for $32 plus tax if that kind of thing bothers you like it does me.
Thought I'd pass that along for those who haven't purchased one yet.



WTF's up with Hallmark these days? Their QC used to be great. I had an issue with that ship too.



Woa, I had no idea there were those issues with the HM JJ Ent. I feel lucky to have gotten an "Aryan" one from Ebay. So, what do you think of it, Blue? See the discussion I had w/ Darth in posts 680-682. Does the saucer edge bother you?

Darth Windu
08-19-2010, 10:53 PM
Personally I purchased the Hot Wheels version, and am very happy. There's an obvious seam line at the back where they've glued the two sections of the engineering hull together and then added the shuttle bay, but otherwise quite pleased. At least the nacelles line up properly :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-20-2010, 12:44 AM
Wow, those NECA ships look goooooood! I'm with ya DH, the large Negh'var looks like the pick of the bunch to me, but if the quality is as good as in those pics, I think I'll sign myself up for all of them.

I can't envision them produced as well as the prototypes, but... never know. And whether they'll be painted is another matter, of course. But they do look good. Actually, I almost don't mind them being of one color. Almost. It's just that the rest of my collection are in living color.

Darth Duranium
08-20-2010, 04:20 PM
Konami, Romando and Applause made the Excelsior?

I had no idea. Do you have any of those? I know Applause made a "Lost in the Nexus" diorama with the Enterprise B, and I bought the Konami set of ships and that's an Enterprise B too.
The Excelsior is easy to mistake as the B but the secondary hull is different, particularly up by the deflector (no ridges on the Excelsior) Those Romando ships are impossible to get now so I don't know. Did I miss it DH? arrg!

Oh ok Blue, I thought you meant Excelsior class, not the Excelsior itself. No arrg necessary, you haven't missed a thing! There is one more USS Excelsior though: the Ertl diecast one. Not a bad sculpt but woefully light on paint.

Romando made a MM-sized USS Melbourne but I can't remember which hull/nacelle configuration it is... probably the Ent B one. I'll have to dig it up and check to be sure.


I can't envision them produced as well as the prototypes, but... never know. And whether they'll be painted is another matter, of course. But they do look good. Actually, I almost don't mind them being of one color. Almost. It's just that the rest of my collection are in living color.

I'm hoping we get FULLY painted ships... I'm not too thrilled about mono-coloured ships, actually. Especially for $50! I hope we can buy them a la carte because I'll never play the game.

Blue2th
08-20-2010, 06:07 PM
Wow, those NECA ships look goooooood! I'm with ya DH, the large Negh'var looks like the pick of the bunch to me, but if the quality is as good as in those pics, I think I'll sign myself up for all of them.
NECA huh? they should be easy to get then. Hopefully might see them at retail stores. I know Target caries a lot of gaming stuff, as well as Hastings.

Woa, I had no idea there were those issues with the HM JJ Ent. I feel lucky to have gotten an "Aryan" one from Ebay. So, what do you think of it, Blue? See the discussion I had w/ Darth in posts 680-682. Does the saucer edge bother you?
Well now that you mention it, it definitely not accurate. Oh well, it's still a nice piece to have. I need to go back one year and get the Klingon Cruiser I missed last year though.

So what's next years ship or did I miss the discussion?

Personally I purchased the Hot Wheels version, and am very happy. There's an obvious seam line at the back where they've glued the two sections of the engineering hull together and then added the shuttle bay, but otherwise quite pleased. At least the nacelles line up properly :) It's a good ship. Not as detailed or as much paint work as the Hallmark, but the saucer section edge is accurate compared to the HM. I like mine. Was lucky to have gotten one at all.


Oh ok Blue, I thought you meant Excelsior class, not the Excelsior itself. No arrg necessary, you haven't missed a thing! There is one more USS Excelsior though: the Ertl diecast one. Not a bad sculpt but woefully light on paint.

Romando made a MM-sized USS Melbourne but I can't remember which hull/nacelle configuration it is... probably the Ent B one. I'll have to dig it up and check to be sure.



I'm hoping we get FULLY painted ships... I'm not too thrilled about mono-coloured ships, actually. Especially for $50! I hope we can buy them a la carte because I'll never play the game.

Whew! Thought I missed something. I don't have any Romandos though.

$50, for the starter set? Is that 10 ships?

Darth Duranium
08-20-2010, 07:39 PM
It's a TOS R-BoP, Blue. Can't imagine why.
And a repaint of the Slave I with no lights again, it appears.
BoP here:
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=731386&postcount=680

I think that the NECA nerd said there'll be 20 ships in the starter game: 10 Fed and 10 Klingon. But if the ships are barely painted and shrink further, 50 bones might be pretty steep for me. I didn't buy the BSG game for that reason though I was tempted.

Still, a bigger Negh'var would be awesome, eh DW? It'd be cool to get a few big Romulan capital ships, too.

Blue2th
08-21-2010, 01:57 AM
Oh great a TOS Bird of Prey. :rolleyes: No Kelvin :mad: Thanks anyways.

Maybe we'll get a Kelvin in the Neca sets, or an expansion pack. Don't know how that's going to work though with ships of other eras.

20 ships is not too bad for $50 if they are halfway decent, and they are bigger than the MM's at least.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-21-2010, 10:08 PM
Still, a bigger Negh'var would be awesome, eh DW?.

Yeah, for $15 the MM one leaves a whole lot to be desired. I don't have that many MMs but this is the most underwhelming and scrawny of the lot.

Darth Windu
08-22-2010, 12:38 AM
Yeah the bigger Negh'var would be great. Keeping in mind of course that the ones seen in 'All Good things' which is what the MM's are made from are the Voodeiah (sp?) class, a modified Negh'var. But yes, the MM version never quite looked right, particular as they're even smaller, to a fair extent, than the Vor'cha-class cruisers...

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-22-2010, 11:03 PM
You would be able to see the paint if held up close because it is like a latex (a bit like rubber cement), but since the scale is so small to begin with, it isn't noticeable at a normal viewing distance (at least for me).

Also, because of the latex-like consistency, it will obscure some of the very fine detail if layered on too thick (like the small lines in the impulse dome. The inner part of the engines still show their ridges though). Since I was experimenting and trying the paint for the 1st time, I actually bought 2 refits in case I screwed up mightily. I chose the one with the most imperfections (some paint overspray on the saucer) to experiment on. Turns out that I can scrape-off any of my paint mistakes with my thumbnail (again, like scraping off a bit of rubber-cement).

According to the claims, the paint glow lasts forever. To protect it, the site recommends a coat of flat finish like any other paint, but I haven't done that (yet).

JJ, thanks for the tips. I thought it might be nice to use this paint for the windows on the AA/DST 1701 HD Enterprise that I just ordered. The windows come painted black, or grey, and I thought I might paint many of them a glo-white. I am concerned about the permanency, however. If the paint is like rubber cement and scrapes off with a fingernail that doesn't sound good... now, you probably didn't prime before painting since the scale you were working with was so small... I wonder if that would make a difference. And a flat protective finish doesn't seem to me like it would protect very much because I think it's the foundation or the adherence to the surface that's critical. I just don't know how that would work with tiny windows; seems to me maybe the protective finish would be more applicable to a 2-dimensional project like a painting. Anyway, I'll contact the maker and inquire.

JayJay
08-23-2010, 09:05 AM
JJ, thanks for the tips. I thought it might be nice to use this paint for the windows on the AA/DST 1701 HD Enterprise that I just ordered. The windows come painted black, or grey, and I thought I might paint many of them a glo-white. I am concerned about the permanency, however. If the paint is like rubber cement and scrapes off with a fingernail that doesn't sound good... now, you probably didn't prime before painting since the scale you were working with was so small... I wonder if that would make a difference. And a flat protective finish doesn't seem to me like it would protect very much because I think it's the foundation or the adherence to the surface that's critical. I just don't know how that would work with tiny windows; seems to me maybe the protective finish would be more applicable to a 2-dimensional project like a painting. Anyway, I'll contact the maker and inquire.

No prob Spectre. I definitely did no prep work prior to applying the paint.

Also, when I say I can scrape it off with my thumbnail, I was at the time actively trying to remove a mistake made while painting (overflow of the target area), so it's not that it comes off easily, just that it tends to scrape off more like a blob in bits instead of the way you might associate with regular paint.

Since the F-Toys windows are indents, once the paint is in there I'm not too concerned about it coming off. The AA/DST is a different story if the windows are just flat paint/decals on the surface. I don't have one, so not sure.

Somebody used glow paint from another paint vendor to do some Star Trek stuff. If you haven't seen the pics they are here

http://www.glowforum.com/showthread.php?t=43

To make the Doomsday Machine, he says he mixed the glow stuff in powder form with Testors clear lacquer, so that might be an alternate method to make it more like standard paint.

FYI - to my eyes, the white actually glows in a very light-blue color. They may not be able to make a pure white glow since that is releasing an entire spectrum. Also, the rods/cones in the eye don't pick up color as well in darkness, so maybe that is part of it too.

Darth Duranium
08-23-2010, 03:51 PM
Oh great a TOS Bird of Prey. :rolleyes: No Kelvin :mad: Thanks anyways.

Maybe we'll get a Kelvin in the Neca sets, or an expansion pack. Don't know how that's going to work though with ships of other eras.

20 ships is not too bad for $50 if they are halfway decent, and they are bigger than the MM's at least.

I don't know what Hallmark's smoking either... such weird untimely choices.

The Neca Nerd said something about the games being relegated to the Prime universe ending with Nemesis, so I'm pretty doubtful we're gonna get JJ ships. Sucks!

I think there'll only be a few Neca ships larger than MM size... maybe a couple per "fleet".


Yeah the bigger Negh'var would be great. Keeping in mind of course that the ones seen in 'All Good things' which is what the MM's are made from are the Voodeiah (sp?) class, a modified Negh'var. But yes, the MM version never quite looked right, particular as they're even smaller, to a fair extent, than the Vor'cha-class cruisers...

Agreed DW, it's a pretty runty chunk of plastic! Hehe... I've never heard of Voodeiah Class before... I thought it was just a repainted Negh'Var with extra crap stuck on! :) Silly me.
BTW it's been fun watching the Aussie elections. Rudd's peeps are pretty loyal it seems! I still think that the Julia coup was sponsored and paid for by the big bastard mining companies. :ninja: There have been a few "coincidences" like that here, too.

Wow JJ... thanks for the paint info again! Gonna have to try it for sure.
I really like that Doomsday Machine... I'd love to add one to my collection. You've also got me thinking about black light again, but I have no idea where to find a bulb locally these days. I think they were more popular in 1977 with the furry posters. :)

JayJay
08-23-2010, 10:33 PM
Wow JJ... thanks for the paint info again! Gonna have to try it for sure.
I really like that Doomsday Machine... I'd love to add one to my collection. You've also got me thinking about black light again, but I have no idea where to find a bulb locally these days. I think they were more popular in 1977 with the furry posters. :)

YW Darth.

I give the guy credit for making a really nice Doomsday Machine. I'm thinking that he scratch-built his Constellation though. I'm not knocking him because I think it took a lot of work, but I was just wondering what a modified F-Toy ship would look like going into the maw of that thing (if it was the proper size for it).

I really like the F-Toy version of the TOS ship because the proportions and angles of all the edges seem spot-on to me. If it were re-stenciled U.S.S. Constellation with the requisite damage to it and put in front of the planet-killer, it would make an awesome-looking display.

Darth Windu
08-23-2010, 11:05 PM
Agreed DW, it's a pretty runty chunk of plastic! Hehe... I've never heard of Voodeiah Class before... I thought it was just a repainted Negh'Var with extra crap stuck on! :) Silly me.
BTW it's been fun watching the Aussie elections. Rudd's peeps are pretty loyal it seems! I still think that the Julia coup was sponsored and paid for by the big bastard mining companies. :ninja: There have been a few "coincidences" like that here, too.
Well I'm not sure if the Voodiah class is actually canon, I'll check...no, seems not, my bad. Actually the best way to see the changes are here

As for the election... *facepalm*. There are so many things I can collectively say about the intelligence of the Australian people... Still waiting to see who is going to form Government, though honestly I'd be surprised if we weren't back at the polls very soon.

Darth Duranium
08-24-2010, 05:28 PM
Hehe... so it is a Negh'Var with extra crap stuck on after all. :)
I'd be happy with any version, so long as it's not miniscule.

We've had a hung parliament/minority gov't here for years, actually. It really makes no difference... they're all B.S.-ing clowns anyway.

The Aussie election's unique due to the fact that it's almost exactly a 50:50 split.... kind of a "red state/blue state" scenario. Should be interesting to see what happens.
BTW, Julia's Aussie accent is so strong it always makes me laugh. Wasn't she the Feral Child from Mad Max II? Or "Bruce" from a Python sketch? :grin:

Darth Windu
08-25-2010, 10:20 AM
Well...sort of. The DS9 (ie. 'real' timeline version) has the antenea removed from the wing tips and front; has the 'snake teeth' things at the bottom of the bridge section removed; repainted dark green; and the big torpedo things attached to the underside. I prefer it actually.

As for the election, according to official stats, it's literally 71 seats each for the major parties, with 76 seats needed to govern. We really don't have much experience with hung parliaments. Our federal elections are every 3 years, and we haven't had a hung parliament in about 60 years so it's a pretty unusual circumstance we find ourselves in. Interesting to see what happens from here on in.

Oh and as for Julia, she does have quite a strong accent. Funnily enough though she's a Welsh immigrant, so not a natural aussie at all!

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-25-2010, 03:26 PM
I think we may have done a similar poll in the past, but what the hey, let's liven things up...

1) What are your 3 favorite Ent designs from TV screen and or Silver screen?

2) What are your 3 favorite corresponding small scale models of these ships by manufacturer?



My picks:
1) 1701 TOS (What more can be said about the mother of all Ents)
2) 1701 Refit/1701-A (If this had been developed prior to the TOS, it would be #1, but the fact that the TOS design was completely from scratch earns it top spot in my book)
3) 1701 JJ Movie (A very close third. And the 1701-D gets honorable mention and 4th place)And the small scale makers, respectively:
1) F-Toys
2) JL
3) HM (Too bad there's no stand, and the saucer edge is wrong, wrong, WRONG!)