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Darth Windu
08-26-2010, 12:17 AM
Awww, poor widdle Defiant, she gets no love :cross-eye

Anyway since we're restricting ourselves to Enterprises, mine are

My picks:
1. Enterprise-E. Sleek, powerful, and menacing all at the same time. A gorgeous design.

2. Enterprise-D. She's huge! A big beasty, the Ent-D could take on pretty much everything the quadrant could throw at her. Well, except for an old Klingon scout ship...

3. Enterprise-B. I've always liked the Excelsior design, and love the Ent-B modifications even better. Just something about the design.

Small scale ships:
1. Hmm, tossup between the Konami and Romando. Konami has superb detailing (PHASER STRIPS!!!!!!!), but is soft and has ordinary paint. The Romando is much smaller, but is 'stiffer' and well detailed, plus it has a detachable saucer section.

2. Hot Wheels. The F-Toys is great too, but the Hot Wheels version I think is better detailed, paint is great, plus the saucer detaches revealing the battle bridge etc, even though the bloody phaser strip isn't painted!

3. I have to say Micro Machines. The Furuta is nice, but it's too 'smooth' and loses some of the great detailing that makes the Ent-D standout from the Excelsior. I don't have the Konami.

JediTricks
08-26-2010, 02:36 AM
http://www.christies.com/special_sites/startrek/overview.asp
BTW I posted a bunch of their shots in this thread (I think) a while back.Thanks for the link!


At the weekend Trek convention in Vegas, Frakes was quoted as repeating the mantra "I had nothing to do with Nemesis. I had nothing to do with Nemesis" :)
I actually preferred Nemesis to Insurrection, which was Frakes', I believe.Awesome that he kept saying that. Insurrection was his. I hated Nemesis, and only disliked Insurrection.


A sound business model, IMO.
The only thing I buy from Diamond are the SW DeAgostini ships, though they're much cheaper from other sources. BTW there's a seller on eBay hawking a few of them for $3/ each... inc some vehicles that were never made as Titaniums like the AA-9 Transport and Homing Spider Droid (both excellent). Seller's name is justprogs.I don't know how smart a business model it is to build a market though. No risk, no reward. They've done way too much to deflate the market rather than build it, which is a bit parasitic to Trekdom IMO.

Not a bad price, but the $8 shipping is a bit much for my tastes (understandable though it may be).





Well the movie did $385 million at the box office and another $100 million in DVD sales. Pretty hard to argue that there was no momentum seeing as the sequel's in the works and (unbelievably) most of the Trek community was largely happy with it.
Besides, after Enterprise and Nemesis, there was zero momentum to the entire franchise.
But it wasn't a kid's movie, same as most Trek. Seems to me that kids only want films that are based on toy lines or CG characters these days.Box office is meaningless in a discussion of quality and its affect on the momentum of the fandom. Indiana Jones 4 made $320 million and nobody seems to be champing at the bit for more. Transformers and its sequel made $720 million and they're an incomprehensible mess. Box office determines whether corporate Paramount will make another Trek movie, not vision or message or even what the fans really want. You ask the average moviegoer to think about JJ's Trek and they couldn't tell you 5 things that happened, much less 1 that inspired them. It's forgettable, gets butts in seats and nothing more.

Enterprise and Nemesis are part of the problem, they are not an example of the cure any more than JJ's awful Trek is. Nobody of the larger audience is going out after any of those and buying replicas of phasers and starships from those turkeys for their desks, nobody is thinking about Trek anymore and JJ's movie hasn't really changed that, beyond the generic summer blockbuster buzz that is always floating about.


I'll see if I can dig up the pic, Mr. Skeptical :).I look forward to that.


Krazy Glue gel's purdy good but the stickers are still an issue. At worst, it'll end up being a saucer-sepped Refit. :) Krazy Glue is fair at metal, but there's a lot of stress put on that point. Also, you are going to be gluing the neck to paint, not metal, I had forgotten about that aspect.

And finally, the saucer-sep line is where the saucer meets the neck, not where the neck meets the engineering hull. Probert did drawings of this.


I still maintain they're not as fragile as you think... they are UL electrical devices and have to stand up to a certain amount of stress.Every year at Comic-Con I see broken displays at HM. And my HM Trek ornaments feel fairly brittle. For that kind of money, it's not worth the risk for me. So I guess it's up to you to put your money where your mouth is. ;)


I can't recall any AF or Titanium threads going so high, but I'm sure 40k doesn't touch the SW figures threads' popularity. Oh well. I guess my favourite threads are all from Planet Bupkis MM spotter thread was at 47k views, as was VT's MM fashion thread, and Marilyn's thread about VT hunting down bargains, and the MM ebay thread had 44k.



Just wanted to say thanks to all for this thread - I was looking for a small-scale TOS Enterprise and Refit and was able to pick up which ones would suit my taste by reading through this thread.

I almost bought the Konami Refit but after seeing the warped nacelle posted somewhere in here I went with F-Toys instead. Nice detail (not perfect, but nice) and it looks proportioned right.

Also, I decided to jazz it up a bit and add lighting. I even thought about splitting the pieces to see if I could dremel-out space, but then I came to my senses and painted it instead.Dang, that's cool, great work.


Thx Spectre.

It's all painted - with glow-in-the-dark paint. It's too small for me to consider putting lights in it. Someone may have that skill, but not me.

The paint is a bit hard to deal with because it is like a latex - it suspends the glow particles in an emulsion, so it's hard to do detail work with because the consistency is a bit thick. But it's good enough I guess.

Sorry about the pic quality but it's tough to get decent pics in low light. All the little windows glow in pitch dark, but you can't see it in the pics.That's fantastic, I like the idea of using GITD paint, never would have occurred to me.



Are you kidding me? —> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160464734709&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:ITUgh, that's unholy.



Thank you Darth. And thanks for all the info in this thread. To paint the windows I break a wooden toothpick and pull it apart at an angle to make a sharp point, then trim that point even smaller if necessary. The windows are relatively easy to fill because they are dimples, so I just filled the dimples. I added a few dabs where there are supposed to be running lights.

I used this paint http://www.glonation.com/

It's not bad, even in small doses like this project. The Red glow only lasts about 15-20 minutes (impulse engines/torpedo launchers) but the deflector/engines/impulse dome/windows/arboretum will actually glow for hours after a decent charge (held to a light source for about 2 minutes).That's awesome. Have you considered pointing a blacklight light source at it to give it a constant glow? Blacklight LEDs would work nicely, I'd think.



I don't think it's been mentioned here as of yet....

But NECA/Wizkids, the same folks behind Heroclix are planning to release a Star Trek ship battle game next year that will include high quality digital sculpts of the various ships from Star Trek. The game, "Star Trek: Fleet Commander" will come in boxed sets that give you a full compliment of ships rather than the Blind Boosters for Heroclix. The first set will be a 2-Player game, featuring Starfleet Vs. Klingons and should be out mid to late 2011.

And some info from someone who was at GenCon and saw how it plays:


And a bit more info:

http://m.io9.com/5613267/wizkids-planning-two-new-star-trek-games

http://teamcovenant.com/08/14/2010/my-gencon-2010-terrence-miltner/

http://www.gamesalute.com/?p=2578

Here's some pics of the mostly unpainted original digital sculpts:Wow, thanks for the pics, that's really neat, I hope they make it to market. Too many times this sort of thing doesn't, but I definitely would want in just for the ships. Also, I hope they don't end up putting big holes or permanently attached stands into these.



Out of the NECAs, I'm looking forward to the big Negh'var most.

The green one is actual size and paint, but the Sovereign and some of the others are LARGER than their final production sizes are gonna be, according to the nervous NECA rep dude in the video. I hope he mis-spoke. He also mentioned a Prometheus but there's none I saw there.

So anyhoo, we're looking at MM sized or slightly larger... Romando territory.I've always found the Negh'var to look a tad sleepy unless it's way bigger than other ships put with it.

I agree with you on the Romando size comment.



There is one more USS Excelsior though: the Ertl diecast one. Not a bad sculpt but woefully light on paint.Ah yes, I remember that one from when I was a kid, I really liked it, but ended up bashing it after the white paint got scratched. I bashed it under the premise of "battle damage" (I did this with a lot of toys that got a little messed up).


I'm hoping we get FULLY painted ships... I'm not too thrilled about mono-coloured ships, actually. Especially for $50! I hope we can buy them a la carte because I'll never play the game. TOTALLY! Nothing would bum me out more than paintless ships.



I think we may have done a similar poll in the past, but what the hey, let's liven things up...

1) What are your 3 favorite Ent designs from TV screen and or Silver screen?

2) What are your 3 favorite corresponding small scale models of these ships by manufacturer?
Ok, I'll play...
1)


A) A. :D either 1701 refit is jake by me
B) 1701-E
C) 1701-D (but I'm probably the most versed in this ship)

2)


A) I'm not particularly in love with any small-scale version. I love the Art Asylum one, but it's not small-scale. I'll go with the Racing Champions pewter one for small-scale, it's not perfect but it's decent and has straight lines.
B) Furuta
C) Galoob saucer-separating version.



For the Defiant, my favorite small-scale version is the Rawcliffe pewter keychain, actually. It's quite good, especially with the keyring removed from the tail (which is easy with pewter), I actually used mine for my keys so it's a little beat down tho'.

JayJay
08-26-2010, 01:20 PM
I would have to go with

1) TOS. The original and classic. It has graceful lines and is not " noisy" in superfluous detail (which I think is almost a requirement for space ships after Star Wars). I think Jefferies deliberately made the support pylons a bit thin to visually emphasize that it was floating in space (just a guess). Sure the deflector dish is a bit dated, but it was the '60's after all...

2) Refit/A. Still the classic design but updated. I think the smaller engines (larger rest-of-the-ship) was Roddenberry insisting that the engines would be comparatively smaller but more powerful as technology advanced (culminating in the look of the "D" - not my favorite).

3) E. Generally (very generally) the basic design. By that I mean it is proportioned in primary/secondary/nacelles at a similar ratio to the original.

For me, there is something in the proportion of the 3 sections of the ship (maybe Fibonacci? Fractal?) that makes me prefer those. While Roddenberry may have been intellectually correct about engine advancement, I do not think he was aesthetically correct for the ship design. For me, the ship needs to strike an emotional cord as well as a scientific one because in the stories it is almost another member of the crew.

I only have the F-Toy, so can't speak for the rest.

The one thing I thought a bit out of place on the refit was the photon tubes. With transporter materialization so common in that time, I always visualized the ship from TOS simply materializing the torpedoes outside the ship (but close enough on launch to be protected from an enemy's transporter disruption), which is why there are no "holes" in the ship for weapons. Then the torpedo was like the Scout ship in Journey To Babel - on a "suicide" mission that makes it hard to outrun.

I guess it looked better for Spock's body to be launched that way though in TWOK.

JediTricks - thx. I just have it near a table light and it is enough to make it glow at night for a good while after turning the light off.

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-26-2010, 03:46 PM
I would have to go with

1) TOS. The original and classic. It has graceful lines and is not " noisy" in superfluous detail (which I think is almost a requirement for space ships after Star Wars). I think Jefferies deliberately made the support pylons a bit thin to visually emphasize that it was floating in space (just a guess).

Yes, I agree. The ship does give the impression of being built to float in space, as opposed to supporting its "skeletal" structure; it appears less fit to ever enter a gravitational atmosphere than any other ship design I can think of. But that's neither here nor there, I suppose. I just never tire of eyeing this thing semi-circumnavigate my telly screen.


2) Refit/A... The one thing I thought a bit out of place on the refit was the photon tubes. With transporter materialization so common in that time, I always visualized the ship from TOS simply materializing the torpedoes outside the ship (but close enough on launch to be protected from an enemy's transporter disruption), which is why there are no "holes" in the ship for weapons. Then the torpedo was like the Scout ship in Journey To Babel - on a "suicide" mission that makes it hard to outrun.


Interesting take. But I just don't see how the torpedo can be transported... and then launched from outside the ship. The laws of ballistics (even in space) and all that sort of thing... Captain, ya canna change the laws of physics!

JediTricks
08-26-2010, 04:19 PM
Check it out, the newspaper Star Trek comic strips, someone put them online: http://www.hassleinbooks.com/startrek/
In the first UK one, Kirk says "sufferin' starships!" :rolleyes:


Not to get too technical, but a photon torpedo is self-propelled, it doesn't matter where it originates, just tell it to go and it'll go, whether in a launcher or not. That said, photon torpedoes are full of antimatter and deuterium, which aren't exactly the easiest or safest things to put through the transporter. Until Voyager, it wasn't done at all, partly because it's a cheap-out piece of writing, and partly because it's a really bad idea from the in-universe physics perspective. At the very least though, you cannah beam through raised shields.

JayJay
08-26-2010, 06:40 PM
Check it out, the newspaper Star Trek comic strips, someone put them online: http://www.hassleinbooks.com/startrek/
In the first UK one, Kirk says "sufferin' starships!" :rolleyes:


Not to get too technical, but a photon torpedo is self-propelled, it doesn't matter where it originates, just tell it to go and it'll go, whether in a launcher or not. That said, photon torpedoes are full of antimatter and deuterium, which aren't exactly the easiest or safest things to put through the transporter. Until Voyager, it wasn't done at all, partly because it's a cheap-out piece of writing, and partly because it's a really bad idea from the in-universe physics perspective. At the very least though, you cannah beam through raised shields.


Agree with you JediTricks that it's a bit of a cop-out writing-wise, but Star Trek would always bend the science a bit for the story. Plus, transporting anti-matter 1st happened explicitly when they wanted to blow-up that vampire gas-cloud thingy in "Obsession" (yes, not the most memorable episode...).

The shields thing I guess would have to come from post-TOS (but "active" during TOS and never explained? wink, wink) when they explained the "rotating shield frequency" idea (Trials and Tribbleations and I think ST 7?). Assuming you know your own shield frequency you could slip it past - but if it was up to me to make-it-up, the torpedo would only auto-arm after it's sensors told it that it has passed outside your own shields (to avoid accidents), and your shields would protect it as it materialized.

Anyway, it's my own made-up reason for why there are no weapons holes in the TOS ship (for lack of another reason).

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-26-2010, 08:18 PM
I was remiss to not attend the Photon Physics class at the academy.

Darth Duranium
08-27-2010, 03:30 AM
Yeah same here, Spec. Once quantum torpedoes came out, just couldn't keep my mind on the old tech. ;)
Boothby slapped me around for that.

I'd agree that torpedo tech was re-invented as necessary. They hollowed them out and sent people (dead or alive) in them. Beamed them into Borg vessels. McCoy knew how to "lock and load" 'em for use with gaseous anomalies. Not Trek's most consistent tech to be sure.

My Ent design picks (tough call):

1) Ent E - Sleek, graceful, battleship lines

2) Ent Refit/A - Jeffries tweaked to perfection

3) Ent C - a superb merging of TOS and TNG tech, a feisty little "lost" ship

Best makers:

1) Hallmark - best size, fine detailing, great deflector
(Romando, Konami, & Furuta are all pretty decent though)

2) F-Toys - sculpt is awesome (with honourable mention to JL's paint & HM's
paint & lighting

3) Furuta (I don't have the Hamilton or Franklin Mint, MM's too small)


JT: "I hated Nemesis, and only disliked Insurrection."

Hehe... yeah, tough call there. :) I liked Shinzon slightly better than the flapjack-faced Sona guy. Killing Data was moronic, though.

For me, Insurrection contains TNG's most unforgivable "jump the shark/nuke the fridge" sequence: Picard does the Mambo. Simply dreadful.
Stick a fork into "Prime" Trek from that moment on.

I'd think that the new Trek cast and universe will return to the exploration/ high-concept SF side of Trek as time goes on... but the new flick's job was to introduce the characters and throw them into a shared peril where they bond. Without boring us to tears or mambo sequences. :)

Good Trek flicks like TWOK, Trek VI, and FC were all about popcorn action, too. I find that the new film isn't any more vacuous than those.
Transformers: horribly reviewed movie made exclusively for kids and the toys sell like hotcakes; Trek gets great reviews and the toys stiff due to the lack of kid appeal.

JediTricks
08-27-2010, 03:55 PM
Agree with you JediTricks that it's a bit of a cop-out writing-wise, but Star Trek would always bend the science a bit for the story. Plus, transporting anti-matter 1st happened explicitly when they wanted to blow-up that vampire gas-cloud thingy in "Obsession" (yes, not the most memorable episode...).

The shields thing I guess would have to come from post-TOS (but "active" during TOS and never explained? wink, wink) when they explained the "rotating shield frequency" idea (Trials and Tribbleations and I think ST 7?). Assuming you know your own shield frequency you could slip it past - but if it was up to me to make-it-up, the torpedo would only auto-arm after it's sensors told it that it has passed outside your own shields (to avoid accidents), and your shields would protect it as it materialized.

Anyway, it's my own made-up reason for why there are no weapons holes in the TOS ship (for lack of another reason).Until the later years of TNG, I think Trek really tried to follow the logic of science rather than bend it to its will. It took few liberties, but tried to stay true whenever possible. In "Obsession", they transport the antimatter down in a special pod that has to be primed in a somewhat lengthy process, one could argue that pod's priming is the extra safety features that would make use in photon torpedoes possible. Also, Kirk's obsession with the gas cloud creature made him take risks that are beyond normal, even for him.

The shield beaming thing is in a few TOS episodes, I am pretty sure, though like most technologies on the show, they played fast and loose with it depending on the author.

A photorp is full of antimatter, it's dangerous as soon as it's "filled", so I don't think it'd be reasonable to play around with that in the transporter system.

As for holes/tubes, Matt Jefferies kinda fudged with that, he wanted the ship to be as smooth as possible for some reason, I forget what, but he had a logic to it. There's no phaser emitters either. So the thinking is that they're recessed and open only when fired.

BTW, according to Memory Alpha, photon torpedoes DO need the launcher to propel, they pick up a warp field from the launcher tube. I don't remember reading that in the TNG tech manual, but it's been 16 years since I went through it with a fine-toothed comb. That does a good job explaining why they can work as mines but not torpedoes without a tube (they were expressly mentioned as being capable in the TOS writers bible, I believe).



Yeah same here, Spec. Once quantum torpedoes came out, just couldn't keep my mind on the old tech. ;)
Boothby slapped me around for that.

I'd agree that torpedo tech was re-invented as necessary. They hollowed them out and sent people (dead or alive) in them. Beamed them into Borg vessels. McCoy knew how to "lock and load" 'em for use with gaseous anomalies. Not Trek's most consistent tech to be sure.Trek had torpedo casings specifically since Wrath of Khan, mainly for the drama of loading them, and then using casings for probes and coffins. I don't think that's an unreasonable use though, it differentiates them from phasers and disruptors, you have a different behavior from them, so they should be a different tech than just another energy weapon. McCoy wasn't the one to figure out melding gas-sensors into a photorp, it was Uhura's idea and Spock figured out the physical marriage of the 2 technologies.



JT: "I hated Nemesis, and only disliked Insurrection."

Hehe... yeah, tough call there. :) I liked Shinzon slightly better than the flapjack-faced Sona guy. Killing Data was moronic, though.Shinzon is really cheap in my eyes, and then doesn't deliver on the concept they were going for, the guy isn't Picard's equal, he's just a petulant jerk who gets his comeuppance from being the same obsessed idiot every other Khan-wannabe was. Plus, his rise to power comes 100% from cheap writing, not any skill on his part.


For me, Insurrection contains TNG's most unforgivable "jump the shark/nuke the fridge" sequence: Picard does the Mambo. Simply dreadful.
Stick a fork into "Prime" Trek from that moment on. Insurrection was a lazy, crappy episode of TNG that has been bloated by budget and success into "having a good time!" crap. It reeked of Voyager-type writing and interplay which was unbearable, and then let the characters take it unseriously. It was pretty bad, but underneath there was at least a TNG story (albeit a boring one we had seen done). Nemesis was an angry response to the detractors on Insurrection, it was trying to be something different, to appeal to too many moviegoers at once rather than organically come from somewhere Trek, and it lashed out in nasty ways as only a summer blockbuster film can, while undermining a lot of the Trekness of it.



I'd think that the new Trek cast and universe will return to the exploration/ high-concept SF side of Trek as time goes on... but the new flick's job was to introduce the characters and throw them into a shared peril where they bond. Without boring us to tears or mambo sequences. :)That is crap in a hat, it's a lousy excuse, it's just giving a free pass. Until Enterprise, every single introduction to a new Trek arm was about exploration and hope AS it introduced the cast and universe. Then Enterprise came along and its prequelness gave the writers free rein to just play in the universe because the audience is already familiar with the universe and the message of Trek, so they could just go with action cliches and such. Enterprise was terrible but at least it tried to have a hand at cowboy diplomacy, JJtrek was worse, it only paid lipservice to diplomacy in 1 brief moment at the end, and then it went back to big splosions and mind-numbing action, badly-written characters interacting largely through the forced plot rather than who they were. You go back to TOS, the classic movies, and the first 4 or 5 seasons of TNG, and it's real Trek without sacrificing any of its soul, while this new movie has no soul to sacrifice.


Good Trek flicks like TWOK, Trek VI, and FC were all about popcorn action, too. I find that the new film isn't any more vacuous than those. Then you are closing your eyes to what those movies are. I've had this same argument in the JJtrek thread already though, I'm sick of it, but if you cannot see the greater stories in Wrath of Khan, Undiscovered Country, First Contact, Voyage Home, you're just not paying attention.


Transformers: horribly reviewed movie made exclusively for kids and the toys sell like hotcakes; Trek gets great reviews and the toys stiff due to the lack of kid appeal. Do you just type this sort of thing to hear the keyboard clacking? :p Transformers was godawful but it was meant to be godawful to an adult audience, Bay hated the idea of making a kiddie toy movie so he's done everything he can to keep robots out of them, and when they are there, they are so violent and offensive that the films get PG-13 ratings. The second movie toyline hasn't performed especially well either.

JayJay
08-27-2010, 04:54 PM
for him.

The shield beaming thing is in a few TOS episodes, I am pretty sure, though like most technologies on the show, they played fast and loose with it depending on the author.


That's true. I couldn't remember which movie it was, but as always there is YouTube for that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35brUCRkgIk

The Klingons tap into Geordi La Forge's visor, receiving an image of the shield frequency reading of the D and sync their torpedoes to pass through.

I forgot that scene where Data curses. lol

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-27-2010, 04:55 PM
Until Enterprise, every single introduction to a new Trek arm was about exploration and hope AS it introduced the cast and universe. Then Enterprise came along and its prequelness gave the writers free rein to just play in the universe because the audience is already familiar with the universe and the message of Trek, so they could just go with action cliches and such. Enterprise was terrible but at least it tried to have a hand at cowboy diplomacy, JJtrek was worse, it only paid lipservice to diplomacy in 1 brief moment at the end, and then it went back to big splosions and mind-numbing action, badly-written characters interacting largely through the forced plot rather than who they were. You go back to TOS, the classic movies, and the first 4 or 5 seasons of TNG, and it's real Trek without sacrificing any of its soul, while this new movie has no soul to sacrifice.


Personally, I enjoyed ENTERPRISE very much. Likewise, I enjoyed NEXT GEN and TOS. Each series had its share of dogs. But the characters and the writing and the visuals in all three were fine by me. So, I'll continue to watch the reruns and the movies because they entertain me.

JediTricks
08-27-2010, 05:37 PM
That's true. I couldn't remember which movie it was, but as always there is YouTube for that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35brUCRkgIk

The Klingons tap into Geordi La Forge's visor, receiving an image of the shield frequency reading of the D and sync their torpedoes to pass through.

I forgot that scene where Data curses. lol
Ugh, that would be Generations, which uses that cheapest of all possible gimmicks to kill the Enterprise. It violates prior TV canon which expressly forbid that (rotating shield frequencies having been adopted after the Borg invasion) and it was just lame, lame, lame. Even the writers of Generations make multiple apologies for the film on the blu-ray commentary track.

Darth Duranium
08-27-2010, 07:24 PM
Hey JJ... I remembered, there is a tiny Constellation made by Romando... about a third of the size of the MM. Here it is against the Doomsday Mailing Tube. (pics below)


McCoy wasn't the one to figure out melding gas-sensors into a photorp, it was Uhura's idea and Spock figured out the physical marriage of the 2 technologies.

C'mon, dude. Since when did McCoy do surgery on photon torpedoes?
"Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an assistant gaseous-anomaly photon torpedo reconfigurer". :)

BTW, the gas torpedo was a pretty lame and inorganic deus-ex-machina device to defeat the Khan-like baddie, IMO.
Similarly, it was cheesy writing that got Kirk "killed" in the deflector room in Generations, IMO.


Shinzon is really cheap in my eyes, and then doesn't deliver on the concept they were going for, the guy isn't Picard's equal, he's just a petulant jerk who gets his comeuppance from being the same obsessed idiot every other Khan-wannabe was. Plus, his rise to power comes 100% from cheap writing, not any skill on his part.

I agree with much of what you say, though to a much lesser degree. BTW, the Sona guy's background was cheap exposition too. I thought F Murray seemed even less threatening though, more of an incompetent whingeing clown with bad skin borrowed from Gilliam's "Brazil".


Insurrection was a lazy, crappy episode of TNG that has been bloated by budget and success into "having a good time!" crap. It reeked of Voyager-type writing and interplay which was unbearable, and then let the characters take it unseriously. It was pretty bad, but underneath there was at least a TNG story (albeit a boring one we had seen done). Nemesis was an angry response to the detractors on Insurrection, it was trying to be something different, to appeal to too many moviegoers at once rather than organically come from somewhere Trek, and it lashed out in nasty ways as only a summer blockbuster film can, while undermining a lot of the Trekness of it.

I honestly didn't see very much of a difference between Nemesis and most of the other "prime" films, stylistically or content-wise. Must have missed it! The FX are under par, but better than V at least.

Ships sluggin' it out in space, white hats vs black hats, an alien threat... the usual fare for a Trek flick. If you want to pick it to shreds, ALL the Trek films are easy targets. BTW, "Trek-ness" is a very subjective thing... like Q-ness.

To me, JJTrek was much closer to the spirit of the original TV show than anything since.... especially the humour and its focus on drama and character. The opposite of TMP. Not everything worked but it was the best Trek film in many years.
IMHO, the TWOK and TNG formulas were milked dry and had cobwebs on their teats. :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-27-2010, 09:50 PM
Ships sluggin' it out in space, white hats vs black hats, an alien threat... the usual fare for a Trek flick. If you want to pick it to shreds, ALL the Trek films are easy targets. BTW, "Trek-ness" is a very subjective thing... like Q-ness.

To me, JJTrek was much closer to the spirit of the original TV show than anything since.... especially the humour and its focus on drama and character. The opposite of TMP. Not everything worked but it was the best Trek film in many years.


I agree 110%

JayJay
08-28-2010, 09:36 AM
Hey JJ... I remembered, there is a tiny Constellation made by Romando... about a third of the size of the MM. Here it is against the Doomsday Mailing Tube. (pics below)



Ha - that's great. If the DoomsMail travels by standard courier speed it will never reach Federation space.

IMO the new Trek does re-emphasize the "action-adventure" flavor of the original series, but it did borrow a lot of the mythos from Star Wars (the Narada is the Death Star "with enough power to destroy an entire planet", Kirk (the "farm-boy") gets into a fight in a bar, but is guided by a wise, older warrior).

Still, one would have to ask - what else could Abrams do? The series was flagging. At least he was able to inspire enough interest that now there is a chance of more movies and new stories.

And at least there is homage paid to TOS. Chris Pine pretty much went his own way in the role, but there were two spots in particular I sensed he was deliberately channeling Shatner. First, the way he says "Spock, it'll work." when told their odds of success, and second right near the very end when he walks onto the bridge, pauses, then abruptly says "Bones - buckle up!" That pause/"Bones" was pure Shatner/Kirk. :D

Blue2th
08-28-2010, 11:51 AM
Now if we could just get some more small scale ships from the new movie.

There are elements from all the movies and series I don't like, but generally I like them all, with the Final Frontier being my least favorite.

Am a big fan of Enterprise

JayJay
08-28-2010, 12:36 PM
Now if we could just get some more small scale ships from the new movie.

There are elements from all the movies and series I don't like, but generally I like them all, with the Final Frontier being my least favorite.

Am a big fan of Enterprise

To be honest, I wasn't thrilled with the look of the ship in the new Trek. For me, it was ok, but didn't make the hit-parade.

Still, I figured they have a habit of introducing "updated" designs pretty frequently, and the movie ship would be the incarnation of "Menagerie" in the series. I just shrugged and figured they have to leave room to make the upgrades as the ship and movie-series evolves from start-point.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the next movie has near its beginning a scene where Kirk inspects an upgraded ship before embarking on the next adventure.

The Hallmark TOS ship is actually looking pretty good to me. May have to pick one of those up sometime...

Darth Duranium
08-28-2010, 03:45 PM
Ha - that's great. If the DoomsMail travels by standard courier speed it will never reach Federation space.

IMO the new Trek does re-emphasize the "action-adventure" flavor of the original series, but it did borrow a lot of the mythos from Star Wars (the Narada is the Death Star "with enough power to destroy an entire planet", Kirk (the "farm-boy") gets into a fight in a bar, but is guided by a wise, older warrior).

Hey, noone noticed who the Face of Doomsday on the mailing tube was! I put a good 30 seconds into photoshopping that pic (#3). Wasted time! :ninja:

Ah JJ, but the Planet Killer from Doomsday Machine existed long before the Death Star. Quake with fear, puny Earthlings! A giant paper mache Horn of Plenty is gonna git ya!
Shhhh... it's just a model! :D

I find the ANH/JJTrek comparisons to be specious, actually. There are a few structural and pacing similarities but to me, films like Eragon or LOTR more closely parallel the SW mythos. I never thought I was watching a SW film at any point during JJTrek. Kirk = Luke? Hardly, methinks.

There are good things in all the Trek series and films, IMO.
And agreed, there are some seriously heinous episodes of all of 'em.
Like Blue, I'd make a special exception for the abysmal Trek V which should be buried somewhere. Blech.

BTW, I'm not wild about Church's JJPrise design but I'm ok with it.
And I too would love more "new" Starfleet ships! Where's our frakkin' Fleet?

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-28-2010, 04:32 PM
There are elements from all the movies and series I don't like, but generally I like them all, with the Final Frontier being my least favorite.

Am a big fan of Enterprise

Enterprise is my favorite Trek series beyond TOS. And then comes NextGen. I never did get into DS9 or V-ger. There's something about Enterprise that captured my heart... (besides T'pol I mean)

Be still.....
:love:

JayJay
08-28-2010, 06:40 PM
Hey, noone noticed who the Face of Doomsday on the mailing tube was! I put a good 30 seconds into photoshopping that pic (#3). Wasted time! :ninja:



That's right - let me think about that one...

Ok.

Ed Miarecki?

http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kg_star-trek_tos_1701_studio_model-090.jpg

Spectre - yes. My theory on that is she is real the reason earth decided to start diplomatic relations with Vulcan (who cares about warp drive and technology?) :lipsrsealed:

7 of 9 wasn't bad either on Voyager, but for some reason I could never recall the stories afterward... :rolleyes:

Spectre o'the Phaser
08-28-2010, 09:17 PM
Hey, noone noticed who the Face of Doomsday on the mailing tube was! I put a good 30 seconds into photoshopping that pic (#3). Wasted time! :ninja:

Sorry, DH, dunno the dude.



I never thought I was watching a SW film at any point during JJTrek. Kirk = Luke? Hardly, methinks.

Agreed. Actually, I never cared for SW or Skywalker.



BTW, I'm not wild about Church's JJPrise design but I'm ok with it.


I dunno, I just like the darn thing. Heck, I think it's well-designed. An excellent "modern" variation to the Jefferies classic.

Darth Duranium
08-29-2010, 05:03 PM
You know him, you love him, you can't live without him: the Face of Doomsday is the late, great Billy Mays, TV huckster extraordinaire. Maybe I should have picked the Sham-Wow guy, but his cocaine-fuelled heart hasn't exploded yet. ;)

I think the new JJEnt will grow on me, but it's the other Fleet ships that really intrigue me. I particularly liked the Kelvin and the catamaran-like Starfleet ship (Mayflower?). I'd also love a Starbase One!

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-01-2010, 03:22 AM
Well, now I've seen it all. I just received my first AA/DST... the TOS 1701, HD version, purchased from an Amazon-associated seller, and before even breaking the seal something catches my eye on the right nacelle: it's... it's the Terran Empire sword poking the earth like in an an olive martini.

Checking the other nacelle... nope, nada.

Then, at the bottom of the box visible through the plastic, the spare lower hull piece shows, you guessed it, another sword-in-the-olive. In a mild state of shock, I search the packaging. Was I sent the I.S.S. version by mistake? Nay! Here there be writing: "Blah, blah, blah... TOS 1701... HD version... blah, blah, blah."


'No Blah, blah, blah!' :upset:

Clearly, the wrong parts were used in assembly, borrowed from the "Mirror, Mirror" I.S.S. Enterprise. Unbe-freakin-leavable! What masterful assemblage! What quality control!

Can you say, print a return label?!

Blue2th
09-01-2010, 09:36 AM
That's weird Spec. Though I've gotten some questionable stuff at Amazon. Usually it's very damaged packages.

I didn't know they made an I.S.S. Enterprise TOS.

If it was an I.S.S. NX-01 though it would be worth all kinds of bookoo bucks. They go very high on evil-bay.



I first thought that was Billy Mays, then some middle eastern guy, or some ST producer you didn't like DH. I should have used my logical reasoning, eliminated the improbable and I would have nailed it on the first guess.

I too am interested in the Kelvin. It's very TOS-like. Too bad it's not the next Hallmark. I'm very disappointed with their choice of the TOS Romulan Warbird.

Darth Duranium
09-01-2010, 03:37 PM
I agree with Blue: that is weird, Spec. They must be bodging ships together from old parts, huh? Are the nacelles the right colour?

Amazon must have seen your avatar's evil goatee and figured that you'd be ok with an ISS version. :) Personally, I've never ordered from Amazon US due to crazed int'l shipping costs.

I do have a JL Galilieo Shuttle that is painted Columbus on the front, a bent Konami Reliant, a wonky HW refit, a bent HM JJ-Ent... the quality control guys must have been asleep at the switch on those days, too. :ninja: At these price points, they're all the same, it seems.

Yeah Blue, "improbable" summed up Billy's products all right. Oxyclean your local star cluster with the Doomsday Tube 3000!
Billy Mays... Cyrano Jones for a new generation. Is that a beard or a decorative dead tribble on his face? :D

I'm almost finished modding/repainting a Burger King toy JJ-shuttlecraft and then I'm gonna try to slap together a Kelvinator out of spare model parts. It annoys the hell out of me that we haven't got one yet from any legit source. I came *this* close to getting a Playmates proto from my friend there but things fell through, sadly. Doh!

Agreed, Hallmark choice of the R-BoP is just plain bewildering. Zero logic applied. Huge disappointment here, too. And the retread Slave I is even worse! :whip:

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-02-2010, 12:34 PM
I agree with Blue: that is weird, Spec. They must be bodging ships together from old parts, huh? Are the nacelles the right colour?

I don't know whether this happened at the "factory" or aftermarket. The box appeared sealed, but I didn't spend too much time analyzing it. The nacelle in question appeared to be of the same base color as the rest of the ship, but I can't be sure of that now. That thing is back on its way to Amazon. I emailed the seller directly to let him know and he believes it was mis-packaged at the factory as they "never carried the Mirror Mirror version."


Personally, I've never ordered from Amazon US due to crazed int'l shipping costs.


That's gotta suck. What about Amazon Ca? is that much different? I'm always purchasing from Amazon. Good deals, free shipping and no tax. Their customer service as far as returns is also outstanding. The only issue I have is their packing; they often pack so the contents aren't secured and slide around in the shipping box. They just don't seem to get it. :mad:

Darth Duranium
09-02-2010, 09:57 PM
That's gotta suck. What about Amazon Ca? is that much different? I'm always purchasing from Amazon. Good deals, free shipping and no tax. Their customer service as far as returns is also outstanding. The only issue I have is their packing; they often pack so the contents aren't secured and slide around in the shipping box. They just don't seem to get it. :mad:

I wish. NO other country can touch the US's distribution model.
But on the other hand, Black Friday riots at US malls scares the hell outta me. It's a tough call sometimes. :)
Amazon.ca isn't hooked up to all those other vendors, for some reason. It's great for books, DVDs, CDs, etc. but not much else.

I'm sure I've beeyauched about this before but our stupid GST (goods & services tax) is supposed to be paid on most imported items over $20, plus they slap on a $7 brokerage fee and delay arrival by days. That, plus insane int'l shipping costs from some big US vendors like EE really kills a lot of e-business from Canada. Shipping from the US to peeps up here is quite cheap, btw... costs maybe 20% more than regular USPS lower-48 service, but it's slower.

I find int'l shipping from Japan, HK, Germany, and the UK to be much faster than USPS or Canada Post, btw. Not the cheapest, though. Still, JP and HK are fast like Fed-Ex.

99.9% of eBay sellers are willing to help us skirt these imperial tax entanglements so I always go through eBay for ships over $20. A few online friends and the family have helped me out, too. And Upstate N.Y. is only a few hours away by car.

* * *

BTW guys, I've been working on my Burger King toy JJ Shuttlecraft (a.k.a Standard Shuttle 1)... thought I'd post an update pic with a pic of the original condition.

I've thinned the wing thickness, dropped the engine and added intakes, added a new bottom, painted, inkwashed some panel lines... check it out. Still needs decals and more colour detailing, especially red.

More pics when it's done, if anybody wants to see 'em. It's just slightly wider than the JL Galileo. Not too bad for 99 cents.
Comments & ideas welcome, as always :)

Blue2th
09-03-2010, 01:04 AM
Nice DH! :thumbsup: Something to do in the small scale Star Trek ship deprived world.

Are you going to do more painting to it, or is it done? Looks cool. Going to have to buy one.

Darth Windu
09-03-2010, 10:22 AM
I'm sure I've beeyauched about this before but our stupid GST (goods & services tax) is supposed to be paid on most imported items over $20, plus they slap on a $7 brokerage fee and delay arrival by days. That, plus insane int'l shipping costs from some big US vendors like EE really kills a lot of e-business from Canada.

I find int'l shipping from Japan, HK, Germany, and the UK to be much faster than USPS or Canada Post, btw. Not the cheapest, though. Still, JP and HK are fast like Fed-Ex.
WTF??? You have to pay GST on top of international purchases? That's insane! We have a GST too, but it's only on domestic purchases/services, not international.

As for postage itself, from the US is insane. It's extremely expensive, and it's slow. I've found in my experience that, for Australia anyway, if you want cheap, fast shipping, get things from the UK and Hong King. So much better than the US it's not funny.

Darth Duranium
09-06-2010, 10:47 PM
Nice DH! :thumbsup: Something to do in the small scale Star Trek ship deprived world.

Are you going to do more painting to it, or is it done? Looks cool. Going to have to buy one.

Thanks, Blue! It'll be a pretty cheap addition to your shuttle fleet. It was easy to paint but a pain finding decent ref pics.
Lemme know if you need any.
I think I'm gonna add some red detailing and touch up a few areas but it's pretty much finished. Oh yeah, gotta stick it on a stand, too.


WTF??? You have to pay GST on top of international purchases? That's insane! We have a GST too, but it's only on domestic purchases/services, not international.

As for postage itself, from the US is insane. It's extremely expensive, and it's slow. I've found in my experience that, for Australia anyway, if you want cheap, fast shipping, get things from the UK and Hong King. So much better than the US it's not funny.

Yeah DW, it's pathetic. That's why peeps fudge the dec. forms. The gov't figured that Canadians would buy everything from mega-cheap US mass e-tailers and wipe out Cdn retail and tax revenues... so they've set a ridiculously low $20 limit. North American "free trade" is a joke a far as I'm concerned.

JP and HK shipping is usually very high for us here in N.A... but I can't believe how ridiculously fast it arrives! I usually buy in bulk from the UK so shipping's pretty reasonable but small single packets are expensive. US shipping's still cheapest for me but it's damn slow these days.

The most expensive shipping I've ever paid was for a Super Star Destroyer from Brazil. Shipping to you in Oz was much cheaper. :)

EDIT:

Got some GREAT news, y'all! It appears that F-Toys released another Trek ship at a con in JP! Woo Hoo!
Link here, pics posted below!

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ftoys/

http://modelgeek.kitmaker.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6982

Looks like the new Trek logo's on the "limited edition" box... could there be some JJ ships coming up in the F-Toys collection? Hmmm.

The ISS Ent looks freakin' sweet! But shouldn't it have pointy-nippled bussard collectors? :) Regardless, I'll take one! EDIT: Just ordered one from eBay!!!!!! :)

Darth Windu
09-08-2010, 04:13 AM
Ah I get it DH, ha, yeah 'free trade' indeed. UK shipping for us is great - I ordered 16 Star Wars and Tank Deagostini's from the UK and paid 50 pounds all up for all 16 - that's still over 35% off retail here.

Funnily enough with shipping, I was dealing with the Smithsonian because of a faulty product. It costs USD$23 for them to FedEx a replacement to me, it cost me AUD$5 to send my one back. Crazy.

The new ISS Enterprise looks great, and yes it should have pointy nacelles but of course it's just a repaint. I still want my Akira though. Come on f-toys!!!

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-08-2010, 09:36 AM
Got some GREAT news, y'all! It appears that F-Toys released another Trek ship at a con in JP! Woo Hoo!

The ISS Ent looks freakin' sweet! But shouldn't it have pointy-nippled bussard collectors? :) Regardless, I'll take one! EDIT: Just ordered one from eBay!!!!!! :)

Frack! I don't see any on Ebay.

By the way, very nice job indeed on the JJ shuttle, DH.

Darth Duranium
09-08-2010, 10:06 PM
DW, are you trying to buy the original series Ent from the Smithsonian? It'd look great hanging over the mantlepiece, gotta say. That $5 AUD Fedex fee sounds freakishly low... but I couldn't say why, either. Bizarre. Maybe partially pre-paid?

I've been buying most DA ships from the UK too... wheeling and dealing with magazine sellers and (allegedly) fudging dec forms. Mwa-ha-ha. :twisted: The price for many DAs just dropped to $10.80 USD at TFAW but I paid less than that for most of them, like you. :thumbsup: Their shipping sucks arse anyway.
Are you still finding them at stores there? They died out here.

BTW congratulations, I'll bet you're well chuffed by Julia's win as PM, eh? Mais non? I am... she always makes me smile. We have Michael Hogan from BSG to best represent the "hoser" Canuck accent, and now you guys have got Julia's trucker "Strine" on tap! :D


Frack! I don't see any on Ebay.

There's still 1 seller with 2 left. I'll send you a PM with the details, Spec. I think it'll be rare and sought-after ship in the future.
Interesting that F-Toys still has the Trek license.


By the way, very nice job indeed on the JJ shuttle, DH.

Thanks! It's not too bad for a happy meal toy. :thumbsup:

Darth Windu
09-08-2010, 11:03 PM
DW, are you trying to buy the original series Ent from the Smithsonian? It'd look great hanging over the mantlepiece, gotta say. That $5 AUD Fedex fee sounds freakishly low... but I couldn't say why, either. Bizarre. Maybe partially pre-paid?

I've been buying most DA ships from the UK too... wheeling and dealing with magazine sellers and (allegedly) fudging dec forms. Mwa-ha-ha. :twisted: The price for many DAs just dropped to $10.80 USD at TFAW but I paid less than that for most of them, like you. :thumbsup: Their shipping sucks arse anyway.
Are you still finding them at stores there? They died out here.

BTW congratulations, I'll bet you're well chuffed by Julia's win as PM, eh? Mais non? I am... she always makes me smile. We have Michael Hogan from BSG to best represent the "hoser" Canuck accent, and now you guys have got Julia's trucker "Strine" on tap! :D
Haha no I'd love the original Enterprise, have a photo with her so I was pretty chuffed with that. No the item was actually a simple neck tie, that they wanted $23 shipping for. My $5 was just normal airmail, not fedex but honestly, why would it cost $23 to send a tie?

I'm honestly not sure if they still sell the deagostini's here in store or not. I know I could order them through a newsagent, but none carry them on a regular basis as far as I know. Then again I only bought one at retail, which was the first deagostini Tank - Tiger I - for the intro price of $5.

As for Julia relatively pleased, though I'm sick of both major parties at the moment, thinking of starting my own. :thumbsup:

Blue2th
09-09-2010, 02:10 AM
Don't know how recent this is, or mentioned here lately but a ship database for Star Trek 2009 has been added to this site.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/stxi_ships.htm

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-09-2010, 05:51 PM
There's still 1 seller with 2 left. I'll send you a PM with the details, Spec. I think it'll be rare and sought-after ship in the future.


Hmm, looks like the seller ended the auction with 2 ships still unsold. Time will tell if these things become ultra rare. Be very careful poking antennas into the bussard collectors on yours, DH.

Darth Duranium
09-12-2010, 06:24 PM
Yeah, that's weird that the solitary seller on eBay would end the auction, if that's what happened... it didn't say "ended by seller" so I'm not sure WTF's up.
Mine was shipped and there was 1 sold before mine. Was it still available when you first saw my post with the auction details, Spec?

It seems that noone had even heard of this ship outside of Japan... maybe he's holding on to it and is hoping that interest and its value will increase.
I'm thinking that it's gonna be very rare indeed, judging by their apparent paucity so soon after the Tokyo event. I will have to think carefully about modding those bloody bussard collectors. Still, it'll annoy me if they're left as-is! An ISS Ent should have proud and perky "high beams". :)


Don't know how recent this is, or mentioned here lately but a ship database for Star Trek 2009 has been added to this site.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/stxi_ships.htm

Yeah dude, I think we've talked about that page but there's not much there either, unfortunately. I wouldn't mind picking up the Art of Star Trek book (or whatever it's called) to see more stuff about the new ships.


As for Julia relatively pleased, though I'm sick of both major parties at the moment, thinking of starting my own. :thumbsup:

I'm always up for a party! Count me in! :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Yeah, that's weird that the solitary seller on eBay would end the auction, if that's what happened... it didn't say "ended by seller" so I'm not sure WTF's up.
Mine was shipped and there was 1 sold before mine. Was it still available when you first saw my post with the auction details, Spec?

It was available for about a day or two after you alerted me. Shoulda bought one; resale value if nothing else. :twisted:

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-19-2010, 12:07 PM
Simply magnificent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfLze1zqsgQ

JediTricks
09-20-2010, 06:38 PM
C'mon, dude. Since when did McCoy do surgery on photon torpedoes?
"Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an assistant gaseous-anomaly photon torpedo reconfigurer". :)He only assisted, and really only because they wanted to give him something to do, since most TOS-era stories end with McCoy giving advice and then going away for act 3. ;)


BTW, the gas torpedo was a pretty lame and inorganic deus-ex-machina device to defeat the Khan-like baddie, IMO.
Similarly, it was cheesy writing that got Kirk "killed" in the deflector room in Generations, IMO. IMO, IMO. ;) Here's the problem, the cloaking device being able to shoot was a deus-ex-machina in that universe, so to outwit them they needed an equally-powerful one. Honestly, EVERY starship should have already been using that sort of thing for the same reason to begin with, it shouldn't have been a new idea to them.



Well, now I've seen it all. I just received my first AA/DST... the TOS 1701, HD version, purchased from an Amazon-associated seller, and before even breaking the seal something catches my eye on the right nacelle: it's... it's the Terran Empire sword poking the earth like in an an olive martini.

Checking the other nacelle... nope, nada.

Then, at the bottom of the box visible through the plastic, the spare lower hull piece shows, you guessed it, another sword-in-the-olive. In a mild state of shock, I search the packaging. Was I sent the I.S.S. version by mistake? Nay! Here there be writing: "Blah, blah, blah... TOS 1701... HD version... blah, blah, blah."


'No Blah, blah, blah!' :upset:

Clearly, the wrong parts were used in assembly, borrowed from the "Mirror, Mirror" I.S.S. Enterprise. Unbe-freakin-leavable! What masterful assemblage! What quality control!

Can you say, print a return label?!You might have contacted DST directly, they're supposed to be pretty good about such things if they have any more. They may not though. That's certainly a weird one, I hadn't heard of anything remotely similar happening.

BTW, the TOS Ent is a fine piece, but it's pretty drab compared to everything else in their arsenal, including NX-01, and you guys know how I feel about ST Enterprise.



I wish. NO other country can touch the US's distribution model.
But on the other hand, Black Friday riots at US malls scares the hell outta me. It's a tough call sometimes. :)
Amazon.ca isn't hooked up to all those other vendors, for some reason. It's great for books, DVDs, CDs, etc. but not much else. The black friday thing is WAY overhyped, there's nowhere near as much craziness as the media would have you believe. What's that, the media sensationalizing something well out of proportion for readership? Never! ;)



Simply magnificent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfLze1zqsgQThat looks great, the interiors are amazing. I did have to mute it when it got to the New Coke Trek music though.

I do wonder why he went with unfocused LEDs for the "self-lighting lights" though as they won't cast the shape needed and diffuse too early.

I love how the deflector comes on, I do wish the yellow glow would phase out when it phases in though, and I'd like to see the nacelles phase on the same way.

Is the bridge on that Polar Lights kit really that tall and squared off, or did they alter it for the lighting kit to fit?

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-21-2010, 01:47 AM
The black friday thing is WAY overhyped, there's nowhere near as much craziness as the media would have you believe. What's that, the media sensationalizing something well out of proportion for readership? Never! ;)


Yes, absolutely.


That looks great, the interiors are amazing.

I do wonder why he went with unfocused LEDs for the "self-lighting lights" though as they won't cast the shape needed and diffuse too early.

The lighting came in a kit from Trekmodeler.com for nearly $300 (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVB1rdnaI0&feature=related). But are you talking about the flood lights at the base of the pylons and the ones that light up the insignia atop and under the saucer? I dunno, I'll have to watch TMP again to compare, but they look pretty good to me.



Is the bridge on that Polar Lights kit really that tall and squared off, or did they alter it for the lighting kit to fit?

Again I'd have to refer to the movie, but I don't think so; look at the still at 5:37. My guess is that the angle at 2:30-2:40 along with the light glowing through the bridge "windows" just make them seem taller than they really are.

I gotta say, I'm pretty blown away by this thing. If only I had the space, and the time, and the decal skills. :sad: Maybe, someday...

Amazingly, the kit retails for only $80 and can be landed for as little as $60. The light kit, though is at just under $300—unless you opt for the "do-it-yourself" light kit from the same maker for under $200. Still, I think it's well worth it for under $500 if a lighted model turns out half as good as this video shows it.

Darth Duranium
09-21-2010, 05:36 PM
It was available for about a day or two after you alerted me. Shoulda bought one; resale value if nothing else. :twisted:

Well, you can lead a Horta to water... :whip:
Haven't seen any more since but I'm sure more will turn up, sooner or later, like a Milli Vanilli shirt.


Simply magnificent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfLze1zqsgQ

Couldn't agree more. Whew, the lighting's phenomenal. Sweet shuttlebay, too.:thumbsup:


He only assisted, and really only because they wanted to give him something to do, since most TOS-era stories end with McCoy giving advice and then going away for act 3. ;)

I did say assistant gaseous-anomaly photon torpedo reconfigurer. ;)
Sure, and on TOS, you could always count on McCoy for the wrong advice every time, just before he went away. Tell ya, considering he'd just killed a guy on the table, I wouldn't have let him touch my torpedo under any circumstances. ;)


IMO, IMO. ;) Here's the problem, the cloaking device being able to shoot was a deus-ex-machina in that universe, so to outwit them they needed an equally-powerful one. Honestly, EVERY starship should have already been using that sort of thing for the same reason to begin with, it shouldn't have been a new idea to them.

Maybe some clever plot device a la Hunt For Red October/U-571 or a carefully laid trap by Kirk would have been a better finale, instead of Assistant McCoy's magic bullet.
IMO, IMO!



The black friday thing is WAY overhyped, there's nowhere near as much craziness as the media would have you believe. What's that, the media sensationalizing something well out of proportion for readership? Never! ;)

Relieved to hear it. Out of the places I've been, I gotta say that folks in Japan are wayyyyy more hardcore when it comes to love of shopping, far beyond anything I've seen here or in the US. Personally, I'd as soon pass a gallstone as schlep around a mall.

Yeah, I once heard that the media actually over-hyped something one time, so that must have been it. :ninja:


That looks great, the interiors are amazing. I did have to mute it when it got to the New Coke Trek music though.

Funny, I thought the themes worked very well together. Now all the guy needs to do is get some dental mirrors and a spacedock.

New Coke Trek? New Coke's formula deviated too much from expectation so it flopped hard.... not the most apt analogy, IMHO.
I see it more like Duff beers: it may come in different bottles but it's still the same old Duff. :)


Amazingly, the kit retails for only $80 and can be landed for as little as $60. The light kit, though is at just under $300—unless you opt for the "do-it-yourself" light kit from the same maker for under $200. Still, I think it's well worth it for under $500 if a lighted model turns out half as good as this video shows it.

I agree, it's a great value compared to MR or QMX and nicer in many ways. The deflector's supercool the way it is, if you ask me.
Don't forget to calculate in the cost of a dremel, airbrush, compressor, paint, extra decal kits, brushes, tape, aztec templates, resin accurizing parts, etc. .... plus endless hours! I have much respect for that guy's skill level and sheer perseverance! Building the frickin' Bandai nearly killed me. ;)

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-21-2010, 06:54 PM
Don't forget to calculate in the cost of a dremel, airbrush, compressor, paint, extra decal kits, brushes, tape, aztec templates, resin accurizing parts, etc. .... plus endless hours! I have much respect for that guy's skill level and sheer perseverance! Building the frickin' Bandai nearly killed me.

The kit includes aztec decals, which is what the guy used. http://www.round2models.com/models/polar-lights/starship-enterprise. The large engineering patterns and pylon colors are decals, too. There’re also additional decals coming out soon for this kit: http://www.round2models.com/models/accessories/mka001-decals.

This guy has a whole host of videos on this project—haven't seen most of them yet. Took him 6 months! As daunting as it would be, I find myself fantasizing about attempting it someday, but I don’t know if I’d have the time—until I retire, maybe. With that ready-to-go lighting kit it is a tantalizing idea, though. The skill level [2 ages 10 and up] is encouraging. Would have to build a smaller prelim model or two to warm up as I have no recent experience in modeling. I built some crudely done kits when I was in high school, but no airbrushing at all. I did use an airbrush once about 20 years ago to build a small Tamyia waterline series ship that actually turned out pretty good. I had borrowed a compressor from work. Those things are expensive so maybe I’d be able to get by with using spray can paints. But for such a huge undertaking as this maybe I could go all out get a compressor... hell, I dunno...

One thing's for sure; if I did this it would consume me entirely. It would become my opus.... my Sistine chapel... I would never see my children.... my wife would leave me... my dog would forget me... but... damn that thing is cool!

Being a Trek ship fan isn’t easy. Somebody stop me!

And then there's the pizza cutter: http://gizmodo.com/5644351/ncc+1701-pizza-cutter

Darth Duranium
09-21-2010, 10:03 PM
Ain't nobody gonna stop you here, Spec! :) That ship will turn your life into a Tom Waits song, apparently. I disagree on one point: your dog will still love ya.... they're like that.

Pretty awesome decal sheets... and four of them, huh? I've seen aftermarket sticky aztecing templates for painting it, too.
BTW, I want all of the shuttlecraft from that kit!

A buddy gave me an excellent vintage Paasche airbrush (from the 50's!) so I picked up a hose and a water trap for $25, and a NOISY-AS-HELL oil-less compressor for $50. That's about the level of investment I was willing to make, and noise for a few minutes is better than paying megabucks for an "airbrush compressor". As you know, airbrushes are a cinch to use; it's the cleanup that sucks arse.
You're kinda pernickity like me Spec, so I think you'd be completely underwhelmed from spray paint, no matter how skillfully applied.

That custom paintjob, crisp modelling, and god-like lighting setup ain't Level 2, dude! More like Level 200 or so! I wish I had that skill but there's no way I'll be able to devote 6 months to that project either... and sadly, mine wouldn't look nearly as nice even if I could.

I still think you should have a lash at the Bandai ships you've got... but double the amount of time you expect to spend building 'em. It ain't difficult, but there's a lot to do.

Been hemming and hawing about that pizza cutter for a while now. I bought the 1701 beer opener for the pal who gave me the airbrush, funnily enough.
It's a great decorative item on his kitchen wall (very heavy chrome, well-made in the UK), but it's not a particularly great opener, really.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/kitchen/bd88/

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-22-2010, 04:33 PM
That custom paintjob, crisp modelling, and god-like lighting setup ain't Level 2, dude! More like Level 200 or so! I wish I had that skill but there's no way I'll be able to devote 6 months to that project either... and sadly, mine wouldn't look nearly as nice even if I could.

I still think you should have a lash at the Bandai ships you've got... but double the amount of time you expect to spend building 'em. It ain't difficult, but there's a lot to do.


[Sigh] Right now I feel like a very frustrated child who can't have his toy. Man, this thing has really gotten under my skin! I need a firm Vulcan hand upon my temple and a soft whisper: " f o r g e t ..."

DT, which Bandai(s) have you conquered? I'm kinda turned off with them in the face of this Polar Lights siren. I've read from several starshipmodeler.com sources that there are a lot of problems with the Bandais in the form of ill-fitting parts and gaping seams and parts falling off—particularly on the 1701-A. I don't know if they would make me happy—I'm seriously considering selling them as I would continue to pine over the "big A."

The AA/DST 1701-A that recently purchased is not bad for what it is, but clearly too much toy and not enough "collector model."

Here's a built PL 1/350 selling on Ebay—can't judge the quality due to the poor photography. I do notice a relatively large seam on the back of the "neck" which indicates that maybe it's was not thoroughly prepped: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110587329988&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Darth Duranium
09-22-2010, 11:02 PM
Discipline, 007. Discipline. :whip:

The eBay one really illustrates my point: I could probably build something like that one but the first one you showed was in a different league... clearly built and painted by a Mah-stah with a lot of hours put in. Still, the second one's pretty cool. Damn though Spec, they're huge! Wouldn't wanna ship that sucka in the post.

One drawback to using all those decals is that decals eventually yellow, but that can be minimized to a large degree if steps are taken.

I have the Bandai refit (not A) and that's it. It looks tiny and lacklustre compared to the first PL one with the $300 lighting rig, custom shuttlebay etc. but I do like it better than the AA. The paint and fit were excellent but it's tricky getting the electrics in.
There are some unattractive visible seams, especially those ringing the top of the saucer and at the bottom of the pylons. For perfection, you'll definitely have to look elsewhere and pay many more shekels.
Somebody's fuzzy video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m88wwDwHyco

The Bandai E looks quite excellent to my eye. If I owned one, I'd be hard pressed not to build it.

JediTricks
09-26-2010, 04:51 AM
The lighting came in a kit from Trekmodeler.com for nearly $300 (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVB1rdnaI0&feature=related). But are you talking about the flood lights at the base of the pylons and the ones that light up the insignia atop and under the saucer? I dunno, I'll have to watch TMP again to compare, but they look pretty good to me.Yeah, all the floodlights you mentioned, but the pylon ones were the first I noticed. I know controlling lighting at this scale is harder than the movie prop, but it's not even close in what I saw.


Again I'd have to refer to the movie, but I don't think so; look at the still at 5:37. My guess is that the angle at 2:30-2:40 along with the light glowing through the bridge "windows" just make them seem taller than they really are. No, I don't think that's the case, when it's removed there's a shot of the bridge and it has long "legs". I suspect they had to replace the bridge or augment it with not 1 but 2 lights underneath.



I gotta say, I'm pretty blown away by this thing. If only I had the space, and the time, and the decal skills. :sad: Maybe, someday...It's not that big, so it's really the time and skills, which is what breaks my heart, I simply don't have either, and especially not the latter. I've always been HORRIBLE with stickers and water-slide decals on just cheap sets, this is a thousand times more complex. I'm also bad at model building in general though, I still have my old fingerprints glued to my desk from when I was a teen building kits.


Amazingly, the kit retails for only $80 and can be landed for as little as $60. The light kit, though is at just under $300—unless you opt for the "do-it-yourself" light kit from the same maker for under $200. Still, I think it's well worth it for under $500 if a lighted model turns out half as good as this video shows it.
Mindblowing. Even moreso when you see what the rest of what this guy went through to do it: http://showcase.netins.net/web/marc111creations/PL_Enterprise_Refit_WIP_1.htm



Maybe some clever plot device a la Hunt For Red October/U-571 or a carefully laid trap by Kirk would have been a better finale, instead of Assistant McCoy's magic bullet.
IMO, IMO!I'd say it's a similar magic bullet to the Red October one. They used the enemy's weakness against him.


Relieved to hear it. Out of the places I've been, I gotta say that folks in Japan are wayyyyy more hardcore when it comes to love of shopping, far beyond anything I've seen here or in the US. Personally, I'd as soon pass a gallstone as schlep around a mall. The key here is to avoid the "doorbuster" early morning super-sales, they're too much effort for what they are. I have had good luck on Black Friday in the recent past, and really bad luck too, but only in terms of sales, never crowds.


New Coke Trek? New Coke's formula deviated too much from expectation so it flopped hard.... not the most apt analogy, IMHO. New Coke sold very well after its release, for a while it was even stronger than original Coke sales, and held the line in general. It was a combination of a grassroots campaign of those who recognized it as a ripoff of Pepsi and preferred the less sweet taste of Coke Classic, old-guard executives at the company who preferred the original and feared that the grassroots "classic" people would eventually spread their message to the rest of the market, and distributors and bottlers who were unhappy with the situation that got New Coke to go bye-bye. Surprisingly apt considering New Coke Trek, except there's nobody old-guard at Paramount to salvage its reputation, so it will stick around longer despite being a myriad of concessions to the younger crowd while sacrificing the brand's integrity just like New Coke was.



The kit includes aztec decals, which is what the guy used. http://www.round2models.com/models/p...hip-enterprise (http://www.round2models.com/models/polar-lights/starship-enterprise). The large engineering patterns and pylon colors are decals, too. There’re also additional decals coming out soon for this kit: http://www.round2models.com/models/a.../mka001-decals (http://www.round2models.com/models/accessories/mka001-decals). Wow, those are great decals. Why in the second link is the crystal above the impulse engines green though?


And then there's the pizza cutter: http://gizmodo.com/5644351/ncc+1701-pizza-cutterReminds me of Catspaw!

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-26-2010, 01:32 PM
I have the Bandai refit (not A) and that's it. It looks tiny and lacklustre compared to the first PL one with the $300 lighting rig, custom shuttlebay etc. but I do like it better than the AA. The paint and fit were excellent but it's tricky getting the electrics in.
There are some unattractive visible seams, especially those ringing the top of the saucer and at the bottom of the pylons. For perfection, you'll definitely have to look elsewhere and pay many more shekels.
Somebody's fuzzy video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m88wwDwHyco


Yeah, I too have the Bandai Refit, not the A. Looks mighty pretty in pieces. Damn those seams! That video is horrible, by the way! There outta be a law....




No, I don't think that's the case, when it's removed there's a shot of the bridge and it has long "legs". I suspect they had to replace the bridge or augment it with not 1 but 2 lights underneath.

JT, I think you're right. Looking at a pic of the studio model the bridge does look about twice as tall here. Not sure if the kit comes that way or it was modified for the lights. This model is so overwhelming, though, that it doesn't really bother me.


It's not that big, so it's really the time and skills, which is what breaks my heart, I simply don't have either, and especially not the latter. I've always been HORRIBLE with stickers and water-slide decals on just cheap sets, this is a thousand times more complex. I'm also bad at model building in general though, I still have my old fingerprints glued to my desk from when I was a teen building kits.

Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one whose heart aches over this. I think I could do a decent job with the basic assembly aspect, but beyond that: accurizing/puttying/sanding/masking/spray-painting/electrical and the extensive decals are pretty much unknown frontiers to me. As a teen I remember water-slide decals being very thin and hard to deal with, and then yellowing and flaking with age. But I didn't take care to apply a protective coating either.

Anyway, clearly an overwhelming job, not for the Sunday hobbyist.


Mindblowing. Even moreso when you see what the rest of what this guy went through to do it: http://showcase.netins.net/web/marc111creations/PL_Enterprise_Refit_WIP_1.htm

Wow, that Marc111 dude really went off the deep end with the accurizing! Nuts!! And I thought I was nitpicky! Hats off to him, though.

Darth Duranium
09-28-2010, 10:02 AM
New Coke sold very well after its release, for a while it was even stronger than original Coke sales, and held the line in general. It was a combination of a grassroots campaign of those who recognized it as a ripoff of Pepsi and preferred the less sweet taste of Coke Classic, old-guard executives at the company who preferred the original and feared that the grassroots "classic" people would eventually spread their message to the rest of the market, and distributors and bottlers who were unhappy with the situation that got New Coke to go bye-bye. Surprisingly apt considering New Coke Trek, except there's nobody old-guard at Paramount to salvage its reputation, so it will stick around longer despite being a myriad of concessions to the younger crowd while sacrificing the brand's integrity just like New Coke was.

Goin' the distance to link the two! But most hardcore Trekkers as well as the new fans are happy with the new direction, completely unlike the grassroots anti-New Coke rebellion.
New Coke is synonymous with epic marketing disasters. JJ-Trek is not.

Matt Frewer played Max Headroom (the New Coke spokesman) and time traveller Rasmussen on TNG ergo TNG must be the New Coke Trek. :D



Yeah, I too have the Bandai Refit, not the A. Looks mighty pretty in pieces. Damn those seams! That video is horrible, by the way! There outta be a law...

No bloody A, no bloody B.... no bloody glue or painting(!).... still a winner in my book. I agree: damn those frickin' seams to Helllllll!
Hehe... that video was pretty bad.

BTW, finally got around to taking some comparison pics of the F-Toys Mirror Mirror ISS Enterprise vs the first version. Happy to report it's got a pearlescent white finish, slightly less glossy than the JL White Lightnings. Looks yellower in the pics than it really appears. Anyhoo, enjoy.

Spectre o'the Phaser
09-30-2010, 02:35 PM
BTW, finally got around to taking some comparison pics of the F-Toys Mirror Mirror ISS Enterprise vs the first version. Happy to report it's got a pearlescent white finish, slightly less glossy than the JL White Lightnings. Looks yellower in the pics than it really appears. Anyhoo, enjoy.

Mighty fine-looking repaint. I don't get the glossy look for small ships, though. The JL 1701-A with the frozen torpedo has that glossy finish and it looks all wrong. A matte finish looks more realistic to me, especially for small scale.

By the way, just for the helluv'it, I had a conversation with the gentleman from trekmodeler.com, the company that sells the lighting kits, for the PL 1/350 Refit/A. Nice guy. He and his partner build the light kits and it takes 5-6 weeks for each one. They're building several at the moment. They also have someone (or several people?) who can actually build the thing for you complete with the lights, and with "every inch of the ship painted—no decals" (not sure what he meant; gotta have some decals: name, registry....) for $2,950. Lots of people in Hollywood hire them for that, he says. They’re booked up for 2 years in fact! But not much $$ in that because it's so labor intensive.



Good God!: http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-TREK-U-S-S-VOYAGER-NCC-74656-1-850-BANDAI-/110589144884?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19bfa06f34

Darth Duranium
10-01-2010, 12:46 PM
I'd forgotten that the "phasers" JL 1701-A was painted like a White Lightning... I just compared it to my WLs and you're absolutely right.
I like the glossy paint simply because it makes the WL ships "pop" on the shelf, but I agree that it's less realistic.
I still haven't seen another F-Toys ISS Ent on eBay since that auction vanished. Weird.

Damn, $3Gs is a lot of dosh but it would be so sweet to own perfection. The lack of decals is a great thing in the long run. I guess they've made sticky painting templates for the registry markings etc.
I agree: it's hard to see how you'd make much cash from building these things, considering the endless pernickity labour involved. Jesus!

Spectre o'the Phaser
10-01-2010, 06:51 PM
Damn, $3Gs is a lot of dosh but it would be so sweet to own perfection. The lack of decals is a great thing in the long run. I guess they've made sticky painting templates for the registry markings etc.

Lemme tell ya, if I was unmarried I just might 'jump in it'; but as it is I have to answer to my Guv'nor.

Or, one can opt for this beauty for just over $1k: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200519686867&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT ...which can be seen here (note the lighting in the bussard collectors): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4EyZYwpVXg&NR=1

And the 4' DeBoer/Fuzznoggin Enterprise: http://www.fuzznoggincreations.com/current.htm

Mercy!

Darth Windu
10-02-2010, 04:04 AM
Not a small ship, but I just received my Playmates large electronic Defiant today. Love it! She's a beauty, although the light-up bits are a little odd. No lighting up at the back of the nacelles and the deflector is red.

Still, it's the defiant and she's in great shape. Also recently added the Playmates electronic Romulan Warbird to go with my Playmates Ent (TOS), Ent-D, Vor'cha, new coke Ent, and AA/DST Ent-E :razz:

Darth Duranium
10-03-2010, 05:08 PM
It's awesome, Spec. I see that MR Ent every freakin' time I go to the Silver Snail... they sit it next to the MR Millennium Falcon... and I covet both. Hard. Good price in the auction... half the store price.
I'd be sent to the stocks or the gallows by my "guv'nor" if I came home with either one.

The Fuzzynoggin Ent looks nice... and it's a moniker sure to strike terror into the heart of the enemy.
Let's make sure that history never forgets... the name... Fuzzynoggin. Picard out.

Nice score on the New Coke Romulan ship, DW. :) And the New Coke Defiant. :D
Do you get any cool stuff with those Playmates ships, like shuttles?
I just have the Borg Cube and Sphere from that set... both are ok but don't have many features.

Scored a JL White Lightning Romulan Warbird for $6 off eBay last week... no other bidders. Now I just need a WL Reliant to finish off series 1. I'm cheap so I've given up on getting more WLs from the other series... prices are nuts.

Darth Windu
10-03-2010, 11:16 PM
Thanks DH - yeah I got both for very reasonable prices. The Warbird was $25 with local pickup, and the Defiant was $80 from the USA. The defiant in particular can be VERY expensive, just like the Furuta version. Obviously I'm not the only person who adores that design lol

My electronic collection as it stands is-

Playmates:
- Enterprise (TOS)
- New Coke/JJ Enterprise
- Enterprise D
- Enterprise D Shuttlecraft
- Klingon Vor'cha class
- Romulan Warbird
- Borg Cube
- Defiant
- First Contact Enterprise E

AA/DST:
- Enterprise E

Now I just need to find somewhere to display the Defiant, Warbird, and JJ Enterprise...

Spectre o'the Phaser
10-04-2010, 07:08 PM
It's awesome, Spec. I see that MR Ent every freakin' time I go to the Silver Snail... they sit it next to the MR Millennium Falcon... and I covet both. Hard. Good price in the auction... half the store price. I'd be sent to the stocks or the gallows by my "guv'nor" if I came home with either one.


Maybe we could wheel and deal with the Guv'nors. You know, offer 'em something in return:

"'Ello, Guv'n... ahem, I mean, er, 'ello love... 'ow 'bout a 7-day Princess pleasure cruise with a Deluxe Ocean View Balcony Stateroom, eh, love? Per'aps even a 10-day tour...?"

I'd be paying for it the rest of my days, but it'd be worth it!

I wonder if Bill got his as a perk?:
http://www.worthpoint.com/pmimages/images1/1/0108/04/1_d7fa283d260fd3c3095b2258ec43957f.jpg

Darth Duranium
10-06-2010, 11:17 AM
Nice collection, DW! What's next? The Ent B or C?
Not that it's important but the PM Defiant says "Valiant-class prototype destroyer" on the box front but I always thought it was Defiant-class. Am I wrong?

Spec, a Love Boat cruise might not fully dampen our Guv'nors' murderous reactions to our prospective MR purchases. It's likely that my old lady would then buy The Official Star Trek Funeral Urn for me as a personal follow-up.
"Honey, I've turned up the heat a little in your office... nuthin' to concern yourself about, sweetie. Just relax and enjoy your collection" :)

BTW guys, I came across a render of the Karaoke Cruiser Edselprise in Mirror Universe livery... looks pretty damned cool, IMO.:thumbsup:

Darth Windu
10-06-2010, 11:55 AM
Nah DH, Playmates never made an Ent-C, and I think I'll hold off for the AA/DST Ent-B. She looks like a beauty too! Probably the end of my Playmates ships unless I can get Voyager and DS9 for a reasonable price, which is pretty unlikely.

The box does indeed say 'Valiant-class', it's because that's what they were going to call her until they decided to change it to 'Defiant'. In fact in 'The Search part 1' (the first appearance of the Defiant), the on-screen schematics show an incorrect design, and I believe it actually says 'Escort-class' os something like that.

Playmates jumped a little too soon trying to get the product out, luckily the ship herself is absolutely beautiful, I believe they used the AMT/Ertl model mold to make the electronic ship. They had the same jumping-the-gun problem with the First Contact Ent-E which is very close to the original drawings, but nothing like what we see on-screen.

Spectre o'the Phaser
10-06-2010, 06:11 PM
I know this is getting away from "small scale ships" but check out this page, it is very interesting. Look at the last image there at the very bottom (second link below). It's supposed to be the 3rd restoration (1991) of the 11' studio model, and shows it as "it looked in the series":

http://blog.nasm.si.edu/tag/star-trek/
http://www.nasm.si.edu/webimages/highres/2005-34607h.jpg

Hmm, that can't be right! Get a load of that crazy coloring! What was somebody smoking at the Smithsonian?

Darth Windu
10-07-2010, 01:07 AM
Don't stress, she doesn't look like that in person. I saw her and took a few photos (including with me) when I was in the states a few months back. She really does look fantastic, and not at all like the second photo. :)

Darth Duranium
10-07-2010, 10:10 AM
Agreed Spec, the Smithsonian restoration(s) looks pretty weird at times... the panel lines are particularly egregious. Glad it looks better than in the pics, DW. Somebody had their airbrush set to kill.

Jim Brooks of the Smithsonian wrote:

"Miarecki’s completed restoration actually does match shots created for the third season. While I think he’s commented that he wished the markings hadn’t been quite as prominent, the paint scheme he created was based on his knowledge of the way miniatures photograph and years of experience in creating models for filming in TV and features.

Keep in mind that he had very little authentic fabric to easily work with. During the previous two restorations, every part of the model had been repainted a plain gray. The only area of the miniature off-limits in those restorations was the top of the primary hull which was the gray-green effect (complete with the penciled grid lines) replicated on other parts of the miniature. Tests and analyses of the layers of paint revealed that the original paint was a gray color, but Miarecki’s job was to restore the model to the condition it was in after production finally wrapped. The result was based on the best detective work available to him and his team.

Remember that the model’s appearance was upgraded several times during the course of its life as a working miniature. Detail and lights were added as money became available. The Enterprise sitting in a plywood cradle outside Volmer Jensen’s Burbank model shop in the early sixties looked very different from the one that finally finished Star Trek’s third season. Starting as a very clean, static miniature, it evolved into a kinetically-lit and weathered model.

Finally, “Paramount could’ve helped out with more source materials” is naive. Although the last few years (mostly due to auctions of Star Trek materials) have revealed the existence of more images and documentation (as well as props, costumes, etc.), people in the TV business did not, as a matter of course, document the creation of props and miniatures that were seen as disposable as the shows they were created for. There was no feeling in 1964 that Star Trek was anything other than another show that would run its course and eventually be cancelled, just like Gunsmoke and Bonanza. The fact that we have the very few images of the model after its construction and on soundstages is remarkable. And while it’s not impossible that a cache of photos might someday appear, it’s likely that the ones presently in circulation are the only ones in existence. The large-scale Enterprise was created in a very different environment than the ‘refit’ made for ST:TMP. In the latter case, the modelmakers and effects technicians (as well as the PR unit) knew that they were building something that would have impact beyond the single movie they were working on. This is one of the reasons that thousands of images of the feature Enterprise exist.

So if the model as it currently appears seems wrong, some qualification is necessary: the team that performed the last restoration did not work in a vacuum nor did they approach their task in a cavalier fashion."

Touchy, ain't they? :) More pics here:
Neat to see the mirrors in the nacelles.
http://www.therpf.com/f10/original-enterprise-smithsonian-93767/index2.html

Well, at least we now know where the grey-necked 2003 Hallmark Ent got its colour.

Darth Duranium
10-08-2010, 03:04 PM
In other news, Mattel apparently had a lot of "1:50" scale ships coming down the pipe behind the clog of lame "battle damage" repaints and these have actually found release at CostCo in a huge pack with a Star Trek Scene It game.

For $80, you get:
-Scene It
-Enterprise NX-01
-Narada
-Enterprise-A (Battle Damaged, "-A" actually present on the hull)
-TOS Enterprise
-U.S.S. Saratoga (Star Trek IV, not Sisko's)
-HMS Bounty

Thanks for the excellent news, LT! :thumbsup:
Cool. Thought this line was dead.... this is one last gasp, I expect.
Below are the pics from the seller you mentioned... they look pretty good but I'd like to see the others too.

If anybody is planning to grab one and can pick up an extra set up for me (officially called SCENE IT STAR TREK ULTIMATE FAN PACK LIMITED EDITION item# 520569 at a US Costco Warehouses), I would be ETERNALLY grateful. From my searching at Costco.ca, it looks like they're not gonna make it north of the border. :cry:
Please PLEASE drop me a PM if anybody can help me out.

LTBasker
10-08-2010, 03:35 PM
No problem, I just wish I had some CostCos around here. The closest ones that came up in a search were in Texas, not exactly helpful. Although I do have a friend down there... But I want 2 of each minus the NX-01 and Narada and that's too pricey at the moment.

Darth Duranium
10-08-2010, 04:19 PM
Hmmm... Texas is a long drive from here, too. ;)

Agreed LT, 80 bones ain't too bad for 6 ships but it'd be nice to get them cheaper without the game. Anybody ever play it? Fun?

I've got a Costco really close to me, but seeing as how Mattel's Trek distribution was almost nonexistent up here, I expect to be disappointed. Again. :(

BTW, found a pic of the painted Narada... probably a proto.

JediTricks
10-08-2010, 06:52 PM
And the 4' DeBoer/Fuzznoggin Enterprise: http://www.fuzznoggincreations.com/current.htm

Mercy!That's pretty nice, but why go to the trouble of making that big amazing ship and then skimp on the shuttelcraft? It looks really bad. The umbilical doors on the port saucer look great, yet the shuttlecraft looks bad? Makes no sense.



Nah DH, Playmates never made an Ent-C, and I think I'll hold off for the AA/DST Ent-B. She looks like a beauty too! Probably the end of my Playmates ships unless I can get Voyager and DS9 for a reasonable price, which is pretty unlikely.

The box does indeed say 'Valiant-class', it's because that's what they were going to call her until they decided to change it to 'Defiant'. In fact in 'The Search part 1' (the first appearance of the Defiant), the on-screen schematics show an incorrect design, and I believe it actually says 'Escort-class' os something like that.

Playmates jumped a little too soon trying to get the product out, luckily the ship herself is absolutely beautiful, I believe they used the AMT/Ertl model mold to make the electronic ship. They had the same jumping-the-gun problem with the First Contact Ent-E which is very close to the original drawings, but nothing like what we see on-screen.She was a Valiant-class right up until they started shooting the show, then the class went unnamed for a while.

The Playmates one IMO wasn't a jump of the gun, it came out a little late after we met her, IIRC, that's good though because it means it uses the correct sound files (except the red alert klaxon I think goes 1 too many cycles). It is however missing the pulse phasers that sit around the warp nacelle cowlings, which are the main weapons on the ship. But it is otherwise an extremely nice item, and I dig how they did the stand on it.



I know this is getting away from "small scale ships" but check out this page, it is very interesting. Look at the last image there at the very bottom (second link below). It's supposed to be the 3rd restoration (1991) of the 11' studio model, and shows it as "it looked in the series":

http://blog.nasm.si.edu/tag/star-trek/
http://www.nasm.si.edu/webimages/highres/2005-34607h.jpg

Hmm, that can't be right! Get a load of that crazy coloring! What was somebody smoking at the Smithsonian?That makes me VERY sad. Someone at the Smithsonian needs to be fired and banned from using an airbrush.



Hmmm... Texas is a long drive from here, too. ;)

Agreed LT, 80 bones ain't too bad for 6 ships but it'd be nice to get them cheaper without the game. Anybody ever play it? Fun?

I've got a Costco really close to me, but seeing as how Mattel's Trek distribution was almost nonexistent up here, I expect to be disappointed. Again. :(

BTW, found a pic of the painted Narada... probably a proto.That set is a bummer.

Wow, the Narada looks so much worse than their pre-paint proto. Way to go Mattel!

LTBasker
10-08-2010, 07:13 PM
Ok, pics of the set and a closeup of the Narada can be seen here:

http://www.trektoy.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=4008&view=findpost&p=54882

clone157
10-08-2010, 07:51 PM
Man, I was sooo waiting for that NX-01. But I could not afford that set, not having a job and all. It sucks that there is a Costco just down the street from me, and I can't afford this set!!!

clone157
10-08-2010, 07:57 PM
BTW, just saw the movie Enterprise ornament at Hallmark. It may fill the hole of the Mattel one that I missed, only with a much better paint app.

Spectre o'the Phaser
10-08-2010, 09:43 PM
Thanks for the excellent news, LT! :thumbsup:
Cool. Thought this line was dead.... this is one last gasp, I expect.
Below are the pics from the seller you mentioned... they look pretty good but I'd like to see the others too.

If anybody is planning to grab one and can pick up an extra set up for me (officially called SCENE IT STAR TREK ULTIMATE FAN PACK LIMITED EDITION item# 520569 at a US Costco Warehouses), I would be ETERNALLY grateful. From my searching at Costco.ca, it looks like they're not gonna make it north of the border. :cry:
Please PLEASE drop me a PM if anybody can help me out.

DH, I sent you PM but it doesn't show up in my sent folder... at least not right away. I do have a Costco VERY nearby that as of now (Friday evening) has 34 of the sets on hand! I intend to go by there tomorrow, Saturday. I was told they cost $76.99 plus 9.75% Calif. tax, so the total should come to $84.50 per set. I'd be glad to pick one up for you if you want. But I'm guessing the shipping to Canada could be about $27 based on my guesstimate weight of 5 lb.? For 4 lb it's about $25 and for 3 lb it's $23.50. All USD. I'll know more precisely once I pack and weigh the parcel. I assume you have a PayPal acct.? PayPal charges me a percentage, though, for receiving funds so I'd have to add that amount. I can find out from PayPal exactly what that would be (I think it's about 3-5%) and let you know. So, let me know if you want me to go ahead and get one for you. And then PM me your full shipping address. Looks like it would cost a pretty penny for you, though. I can always remove the game and make it a lighter parcel if you want.

PS
If I don't hear from you by tomorrow, I'll just pick up an extra set anyway. I can always return it.

Darth Duranium
10-08-2010, 10:52 PM
PM sent, Spec! Thank you very much... you made me an offer I couldn't refuse! You da best!

EDIT: I don't need the game so that ought to lighten things up. Don't need the ship boxes for that matter, but that might be too much hassle/unfeasible for shipping/unwise. Let me know what you think is best, Spec. Speed is not essential.

Thanks for the link to the pics, LT... interesting forum.

Hang in there, Clone157. Hope the job situation improves for you soon so you can grab a HW set. At least you can save a few bucks: the Hallmark Ent will be dirt cheap just after Xmas.

Yeah, is that green camo on the production Narada, JT? I'm thinking that a repaint might be called for, but I'll still be stoked to have one.

Spectre o'the Phaser
10-09-2010, 02:03 AM
PM sent, Spec! Thank you very much... you made me an offer I couldn't refuse! You da best!

EDIT: I don't need the game so that ought to lighten things up. Don't need the ship boxes for that matter, but that might be too much hassle/unfeasible for shipping/unwise. Let me know what you think is best, Spec. Speed is not essential.


Sent you another PM, DH, but my "Items Sent" still shows "0 messages" (I don't get it) so I'll repeat some stuff here, just in case...

Based on a 3 lb 20x18x10 inch parcel estimate (don't know size/weight of the thing) for comparison it looks like the best option might be UPS Standard ($18.55) or USPS Priority Mail International ($23.50). FedEx International Ground is too expensive ($39!). I think UPS automatically insures up to $100 whereas USPS pays an additional $2.25 for $85.00 worth of insurance. Want I should add ins. if we go w/USPS? And I assume the destination is residential?

I will go ahead and remove the game if you so wish. Might get it down to 2 lb, I don't know... jut guessing for now. Will let you know as soon as I have the item home and I've packed and weighed it.

I think I should leave the ships in their boxes. It just makes sense for ease of packing and protecting the ships.

It's Fri. 11pm now in California. Should have the goods within 12 hours!

Darth Duranium
10-09-2010, 11:45 AM
PM received and sent, Spec.

BTW, UPS sucks for Canada and most Intl. destinations unless the value's declared as being under $20. Their brokerage fees are ridiculous. USPS is much cheaper.
Yep, the addy's a residence.

Good hunting! And thanks again!

Darth Duranium
10-10-2010, 01:18 PM
Very pleased to report that the new HW Trek set will soon be in my hot little hands, thanks to the noble Spec! Many, many thanks to him... he's really helped me out in a major way. :thumbsup:

BTW, the set's already being scalped for $200 on eBay! :ninja:

From the links that LT supplied, anybody else notice that the NX Ent is packaged as the "U.S.S. Enterprise NX-01"? Oops.

They look pretty good to me. Here's a few more pics from auctions:

EDIT: PM sent, Spec

Darth Windu
10-10-2010, 11:43 PM
Nice, but far too pricey for me. I'd only be after the Narada, though the Saratoga and Bounty do look good. :)

Blue2th
10-11-2010, 01:40 AM
So no JJ Enterprise in that set?

The TOS Enterprise doesn't look all that bad, neither does the NX-01. The Narada is odd looking like some sea creature, but where else you gonna get one?

There's a Costco here in Alb. I'll have to go do a looksee at least.

Darth Duranium
10-12-2010, 01:04 PM
Nope Blue, no JJ-prise.
No Kelvin, either. So sad.

Well, at least there's 3 new tools, including the sea creature/ seaweed/ mulched peacock. I'm very surprised to see the Narada, and we didn't even know they'd tooled and produced the TOS Ent and "USS" NX. Strange that they never showed protos of the last 2 and that no factory samples leaked on eBay during production.

BTW, the JL WL R-BoP came today... here's a pic of it next to the regular one with the AMT at the back. I really do like WL's pearly paint.

Darth Duranium
10-18-2010, 02:58 AM
Call it a crazy hunch but it's been 3 years so I'm just beginning to suspect that we're not gonna get this wave from Corgi.:cross-eye

Nah, just kidding. But jeez, I think that this is the first pic I've ever seen of that wave. Would have been awesome.

I thought they were gonna do an Ent-E too.... must have been planned for later.

Interesting that there's a wide price range. The Defiant is 13 quid, Voyager is 18, and the WB is 30.

Blue2th
10-18-2010, 03:05 AM
That's a shame. All three would have been welcome I think. With Corgi's quality and these ships not done yet in that medium size like the Hot Wheels ships only better.

I'd have bought them no problem.


BTW I went down to Costco and sure enough there was the HW ship set. I don't know, I can't justify the $80 I'd have to spend just to get three (not so spectacular) ships I want, plus either spending the $50 to join Costco or finding someone who has the membership. I'm torn, but pretty much broke so that settles that for now.
Too bad these didn't make it to Big Lots in individual boxes. Though we may yet see some at another discount chain I dunno.

Darth Windu
10-18-2010, 07:38 AM
Awww Defiant! :cry:

Would have been great if Corgi had brought these out, especially considering the strength of the Aussie dollar at the moment :razz:

JediTricks
10-18-2010, 05:41 PM
Call it a crazy hunch but it's been 3 years so I'm just beginning to suspect that we're not gonna get this wave from Corgi.:cross-eye

Nah, just kidding. But jeez, I think that this is the first pic I've ever seen of that wave. Would have been awesome.

I thought they were gonna do an Ent-E too.... must have been planned for later.

Interesting that there's a wide price range. The Defiant is 13 quid, Voyager is 18, and the WB is 30.
You just broke my heart finding that picture of what could have been. Man, I would have bought all of those in a heartbeat, even the Voyager, a ship design I absolutely don't care for. I so very much want that Defiant, now the best we can hope for is... not even Mattel.

Darth Duranium
10-19-2010, 07:29 PM
Breaks my heart too, fellas. I'd have snapped the Corgis up so fast the cashier would have gotten whiplash. Well, you never know... maybe someday... though it seems improbable due to the license issue. Maybe they'll sell the tools to somebody.

A stupendously huge thank you to the über-cool Spectre o' the Phaser (A.K.A. Spec) for grabbing a set of the HW ships and shipping them to me (hermetically sealed :)) ... at cost! It saved me endless grief and loads of dosh and I am truly grateful. :thumbsup: Cheers!!! Really made my day, Spec!

OK, on to the HW ships:

Ent-A - slightly better tilt to the saucer but still pretty bad; blue deflector instead of black on SDCC 1701; very skippable... NEXT!

Ent NX - primary hull is exactly the same size as the HM but it is slightly wider between the nacelles and it has a flatter pylon profile; sharp paint apps and a fair amount of metal; nice silver base colour; my new favourite NX! Very nice!

Continued next post... comparison pics below. Enjoy!

Darth Duranium
10-19-2010, 07:56 PM
Cont':
USS Saratoga - solid repaint of a good HW tool, slightly different paint apps around the bridge; would've preferred the DS9 Saratoga without the rollbar but worth adding to the collection

Ent TOS - lots of metal on both hulls, nacelles are plastic; a little light on paint apps but quite a nice job on the ones that made it onto the ship; a great size overall and the nacelles rise correctly above the saucer, unlike the HM; elegant; nice job

HMS Bounty - slightly darker green paint on the topside engines, HMS Bounty written in tiny letters on bottom hull; good tool, ok repaint but skippable

Narada - mostly plastic exterior; has a transparent conical "pistil" inside the front "mandibles" as a separator; nice overall size; paint apps appear much less garish in real life; surprisingly good for a mulched bird :D

Overall, a pretty solid wave.... quite pleased. Hope everybody who wants one can get one, at some point anyway. :ninja: P.S. Apologies for the crap camera... that's the best it can do.

Blue2th
10-20-2010, 11:12 AM
I have to say I think I'm liking the TOS and especially the NX-01 Enterprise. It seems to be as detailed as the Hallmark NX-01 yet has painted panels also.

Did you ever get the Corgi TOS 1701 DH? I'm sure this one's not as crisp in the details of the deflector dish but still probably worth having.

Thanks for the pics! :thumbsup:

Darth Duranium
10-20-2010, 04:41 PM
No worries... I had to take the ships down off the shelf anyway. Agreed Blue, it's a really tough call between the HW and HM NX Ents. The HM has metal nacelles but the overall colour and paint apps are much nicer on the HW.

I never did get the Corgi TOS Ent simply because it's too tall for my shelving, but I did get the reg. versions of the other two. Still, I'll probably grab one if everything else dries up. Sculpting looks really nice but Corgi must have been on LSD when they chose the colours for their ships, huh?

BTW, if anybody in the US has access to a Costco card, you can get the set delivered for $85 all in:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11538826&whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eCat=BC%7C48022%7C78462%7C62817&N=4045129&Mo=17&pos=1&No=3&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=62817&Ns=P_Price%7C1%7C%7CP_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&ec=BC-EC26686-Cat78462&topnav=

Oh yeah, I came across Part 1 of an excellent article on Hallmark's Trek ornaments here:

http://www.startrek.com/article/hallmark-star-trek-keepsake-ornaments-anniversary

Many new nuggets of info: for instance, HM wanted a Santa jumping out of the 1991 Ent's bridge with a garland wrapped hull; Nurse Ogawa made a cheesy advert for HM, the KBoP was originally a fire hazard :)

OK, gotta go watch Ann Coulter on BBC's Hardtalk... should be a riot.

KyleKatarn
10-21-2010, 05:25 PM
Call it a crazy hunch but it's been 3 years so I'm just beginning to suspect that we're not gonna get this wave from Corgi.:cross-eye

Nah, just kidding. But jeez, I think that this is the first pic I've ever seen of that wave. Would have been awesome.

I thought they were gonna do an Ent-E too.... must have been planned for later.

Interesting that there's a wide price range. The Defiant is 13 quid, Voyager is 18, and the WB is 30.

Somewhere around here I have high quality pictures of the unproduced Corgi ships. I really wanted that Warbird.

Darth Duranium
10-25-2010, 03:36 AM
Holding out on us Kyle? So make with the pics already! :D

Looks like the Warbird must have been pretty huge, judging by the MSRP.


Bad news from F-Toys: I got an email from them and they said they have no plans to produce more Star Trek ships in the future. :cry:

KyleKatarn
11-01-2010, 09:06 AM
I forgot where I found these but I'll never delete them.
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/Ferrari458ItaliaScuderia/Defiant.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/Ferrari458ItaliaScuderia/DDeridexWarbird.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k489/Ferrari458ItaliaScuderia/IntrepidVoyager.jpg

Darth Duranium
11-01-2010, 07:50 PM
Thanks Kyle! The Starfleet ships look especially nice in those shots.
Just look at that elegantly slim Defiant... wow. Voyager looks like a great tool but the blue stripes are a little odd. The Warbird's good... would have bought it, too.
As JT said, it's heartbreaking that they were never released. D'oh!

Spectre o'the Phaser
11-01-2010, 08:18 PM
God help me... I did it...

I did it!

I bought the farm... er, I mean... I bought the Master Replicas TOS Enterprise. That’s right, I’m talkin’ “N-C-C-1-7-0-1. No bloody A, B, C, or D!” I’m talkin’ 1/350 scale, 32.5 inches!

I sold my soul to the Devil... and I'm one happy camper—albeit a little light in the billfold!

I had been entertaining the fantasy—without much seriousness—for several weeks, ever since I discovered these existed. I had learned that there were three 40th Anniversary releases:


The Commemorative Edition w/ signatures of Shatner, Nimoy, Nichols, Takei, Koenig, Doohan, and D. Kelley. (250 pieces)
The Signature Edition (SE), w/ Shatner, Nimoy sigs. (500 pieces)
The Limited Edition (LE), no sigs. (1250 pieces)


About 2 or 3 weeks ago I came across a SE on Ebay, unopened and still sealed. (I read somewhere that the signature editions are supposed to have tighter quality standards.) It listed for $1,500 and it had 1 bid with about 3 hours left. Suddenly my wheels were spinning and my heart was racing, and I decided then and there to make a desperate pitch to my wife. To my surprise she yielded without much sparring (maybe she’d been having an affair and felt guilty, hell, I dunno!) The main issue with her was one of space, but soon she agreed it could go in our bedroom, to replace a chaise lounge that was never used other than to toss clothes onto it. That was all I needed, brother... I rushed back and placed a bid, and was surprised to find myself the high bidder. I placed another insurance bid (higher than I wanted, but I was determined to have her) and sweated out the next couple of hours. Well, I managed to win with no further bidding: $1,666 + $40 S/H.

Yee-haw!!!

Then, I started getting very nervous realizing she had to fly practically with her shields down from Florida to California. And I got even more nervous worrying that the workmanship might be a big let down. I mean, these things look amazing in pics, but what about up close and in the flesh? I read some pretty bad things from Amazon reviewers and I started imagining the worst case scenario...

Anyway, the day came and very nervously, my hands were literally shaking, I undress... er, unpacked her. I lifted a piece of molded Styrofoam and peeled back the soft material covering her like a blanket. I laid first eyes on her: the lower half of the secondary hull looking like our Governator’s biceps! Now, I expected her to be a long lady, so that aspect didn’t exactly phase me. But the sheer bulk of her caught me by surprise—very pleasant surprise. The circumference of her ample... nacelles are most impressive—the pylons, too are thick and sturdy. Yet, the detail is stunning. Diamond Select, forget about it! She is really more spectacular than I dared to hope! The size of her... the size is indescribable. It really adds a dimension of awe that cannot be approached by the smaller scales. I inspected every square inch of her: she’s perfect (and if I were my wife I should be very jealous and concerned!)

It occurred to me what a beautifully clean and balanced sculpture she is and it’s amazing to me to think she was actually designed in 1966!

Then, I made like Clark Griswold on Christmas Vacation: I called the family around, dimmed the lights, asked for a drum roll... and plugged her in. I swear I heard Angels singing! The illuminated bussards with the revolving blades are nothing short of breathtaking! The whole thing is a freakin’ wet dream!

The only thing less than heavenly, are the very thin lines of the saucer section that could be more perfectly rendered—they appear to be hand drawn, not bad but just not perfect. But the 11' studio model appears to be similarly imperfect. Also, the brownish “weatherizing” on the front portion of the saucer looks less than convincing and a bit too monochromatic—like quick airbrushing rather than discoloration from space ionizing; but I’m not up on what effect this would really have on a ship’s hull, if any, so I’m not too bothered there.

Last week I ordered a custom clear acrylic display case (38 x 19 x 19 inches) that I’m picking up tomorrow. I will also start building a pedestal this weekend from MDF board (see my rendition below). The AC cord will run down through the pedestal and out the back and a wireless remote control will control the lighting. Will provide pics of the finished product, if all turns out good.

I apologize for the drippy, long-winded post. I’m just jazzed!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonnyboy383/sets/72157623980389922/

Darth Duranium
11-02-2010, 11:09 AM
Woo hoo! I didn't realise that polygamy was legal in California, dude!
Congratulations on your new bride; she's an absolute beauty. Good on ya, mate!

And it sounds like your first wife's affair is goin' great if she'd go for that purchase and its new location. She must be creepin' with the Shat. :) Clearly, I'm gonna have to encourage my wife to get out on the town more often. Damn, now that's an understanding wife!

All kidding aside, great post! Your Ent's absolutely stunning and in a completely different league than almost anything else... she's so refined. The lighting rig and nacelles just blew my mind. The blinking running lights are amazing. Gotta love the dome lights and shuttle bay, too. What's not to love?

Huge! Unbelievable detail! Wow! Nicer than the Smithsonian repaint, if you ask me. I can see why you're so so stoked. I would be, too! Sounds like you got a great price, too.

BTW, her ample nacelles were approved by the producers in August 1964 so she's even more of a classic icon. But she was just a balsa wood model at that point, apparently.

Blue2th
11-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Damn Spec. You've managed to go where no man (or not many men here) have gone before.
I saw this ship at Comic Con 06' it is stunning.
Congratulations! :thumbsup:

Darth Windu
11-18-2010, 10:23 PM
Anyone heard any more about Star Trek heroclix/neca? I found a few photos, but nothing new.

NightCastle
11-19-2010, 09:34 PM
Anyone heard any more about Star Trek heroclix/neca? I found a few photos, but nothing new.

The last I heard was that it was pushed back until some time in 2011. Interestingly enough, the new Wizkids has delayed (I think) all of the Heroclix releases since they took over. I think it may be related to NECA ramping up their production. They have anounced other games this year as well, including a restructuring of the MageKnight license from clix to a board game and/or card game. It seems that they are taking on a LOT of new things.

Darth Windu
11-20-2010, 06:15 AM
Ah that's a pity. As long as they don't cancel though! Would be nice to see new pics, from what I've read so far they're supposed to be almost (if not) 100% screen accurate.

NightCastle
11-20-2010, 11:54 AM
Ah that's a pity. As long as they don't cancel though! Would be nice to see new pics, from what I've read so far they're supposed to be almost (if not) 100% screen accurate.

I hope they don't cancel either. They seem to be taking a crack at emulating comic book covers as sculpts for the next DC set release. From what I've seen so far, they appear to be doing a decent job of it. Hopefully that quality will transfer over to the new Star Trek game. Given the size of the possible Star Trek ship sculpts and WizKids/NECA's quality thus far I imagine they will be as accurate as can be for that scale.

KyleKatarn
11-20-2010, 08:37 PM
Thanks Kyle! The Starfleet ships look especially nice in those shots.
Just look at that elegantly slim Defiant... wow. Voyager looks like a great tool but the blue stripes are a little odd. The Warbird's good... would have bought it, too.
As JT said, it's heartbreaking that they were never released. D'oh!

The filming model problably had those blue lines we just couldn't see them.

NightCastle
11-21-2010, 01:46 PM
Has anyone noticed the glut of previously hard to get Johnny Lightning Star Trek miniatures (looking at many Ent-Ds and Voyagers without landing gear) that have been posted on eBay lately? Why the influx all of a sudden? Any ideas?

Darth Duranium
11-21-2010, 02:17 PM
The filming model probably had those blue lines we just couldn't see them.

Hmmm... I've never seen the blue stripes on the studio model, dude. Have you got a pic?



Has anyone noticed the glut of previously hard to get Johnny Lightning Star Trek miniatures (looking at many Ent-Ds and Voyagers without landing gear) that have been posted on eBay lately? Why the influx all of a sudden? Any ideas?

Yeah man, a few JL Future Ent-Ds have also popped up for $12 Buy It Now, too. I have no idea why either... kinda weird, huh?



BTW guys, ILM apparently leaked an out-take fx shot from the last flick. Fans have made it into a 2012 poster... 3rd pic below.

Also BTW, Drexfiles has a new streaming video out here: http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/.
The Ships Of The Line stuff is now spread around the video, instead of coming at the end. And check out the Shatmobile!

Spectre o'the Phaser
11-22-2010, 06:38 PM
Yeah man, a few JL Future Ent-Ds have also popped up for $12 Buy It Now, too. I have no idea why either... kinda weird, huh?


Dang, I missed those! They don't show in the "completed items" so it must have been several weeks ago? I'm still looking for a JL D and future D but after a while had stopped looking. Currently they appear to be back up to a minimum of $40.

By the way, I recently finished building and painting the pedestal for my TOS MR Ent. Took me longer than expected but it turned out pretty nice. I decided to paint the whole thing flat black. It's very heavy having been built from 3/4-in. MDF board—probably should have used 5/8-in., as MDF board is really dense and heavy—and now I have to figure out how to lug it upstairs from the garage. I should have pics soon enough with the 33" lady on it and under the acrylic dust cover.

Darth Windu
11-23-2010, 12:28 AM
Looking good Spec! Nice to have the money and space available for such a beastie :-)

DD - I noticed a few of them, but here's the problem. The prices are reasonable, bids starting at AUD$10, but then they want AUD$30 shipping! Crazy.

Spectre o'the Phaser
11-23-2010, 03:27 PM
Thanks, DW. She required some sacrifice, but she's well worth it.

Darth Duranium
11-23-2010, 04:50 PM
Spec, the last cheap JL Voyager and Future-D popped up last weekend, but I've seen more in recent weeks. These ones were both $12 Buy It Now plus $7 shipping, IIRC. Yeah, the thought of scalping them did go through the darker recesses of my mind but I let it pass, as usual.
Crap, I thought you had the Future-D or I would've grabbed it for you. What else do you need? I didn't think you were still slumming in the small Trek ship market anymore, now that you're in the high-falutin' MR class. :)
I'm looking forward to pics of your lady in her new display case. Sweet.
I've never found eBay's completed item/price research to be anything other than totally useless, actually.

DW, yeah, the USPS postal calculator can cough up some pretty crazy prices. I constantly badger sellers to check the actual cost and many US sellers are cool about it. Some, not so much.
Now if the bleedin' Poms could keep Quantas in the air, maybe postal rates to Oz wouldn't be so scary! ;)

Spectre o'the Phaser
11-23-2010, 06:05 PM
Crap, I thought you had the Future-D or I would've grabbed it for you. What else do you need?

Thanks, DD. Well, I have the Furuta Future D, which leaves a whole lot to be desired. And I have the F-toys D which is OK. But wouldn't mind the JL D and JL future D to replace them. I had been on the prowl for them for the longest time but then gave up on the prices. Figures the affordable ones came along when I wasn't lookin'.


I didn't think you were still slumming in the small Trek ship market anymore, now that you're in the high-falutin' MR class. :)

Heh, yeah, the small ships do look kinda... strange to me now. :D


I'm looking forward to pics of your lady in her new display case. Sweet.

The oil based paint on the pedestal is pretty much dry now. But I might have a dilemma getting the thing up the stairs; it ended up being surpisingly heavy and my stairs are relatively narrow with a sharp turn near the top. Will test the angle with a cardboard "dummy" tonight. If I have to lift it up high to clear a banister I may be in trouble... even with my neighbor helping me. :(

KyleKatarn
11-23-2010, 11:16 PM
Hmmm... I've never seen the blue stripes on the studio model, dude. Have you got a pic?




Yeah man, a few JL Future Ent-Ds have also popped up for $12 Buy It Now, too. I have no idea why either... kinda weird, huh?



BTW guys, ILM apparently leaked an out-take fx shot from the last flick. Fans have made it into a 2012 poster... 3rd pic below.

Also BTW, Drexfiles has a new streaming video out here: http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/.
The Ships Of The Line stuff is now spread around the video, instead of coming at the end. And check out the Shatmobile!

I was just speculating on the filming model.

KyleKatarn
11-23-2010, 11:21 PM
Has anyone noticed the glut of previously hard to get Johnny Lightning Star Trek miniatures (looking at many Ent-Ds and Voyagers without landing gear) that have been posted on eBay lately? Why the influx all of a sudden? Any ideas?

The most logical explanation in my opinion is some a-hole hoarded them years ago in the hope of one day making a killing, Doesn't look like it worked though.

Spectre o'the Phaser
11-24-2010, 01:31 AM
The most logical explanation in my opinion is some a-hole hoarded them years ago in the hope of one day making a killing,

A bit harsh, no? It's all about a free-market economy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_economy). Or free enterprise (only in this case the Enterprise is anything but free...) I'm all for it. I've been "guilty" of it myself, I admit. Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail. It's all good fun! :thumbsup:

NightCastle
11-24-2010, 11:13 AM
The most logical explanation in my opinion is some a-hole hoarded them years ago in the hope of one day making a killing, Doesn't look like it worked though.

That does make sense, however, supply versus demand wise, I would have thought that this seller would have been better off selling closer to the release of a new Star Trek movie. Maybe the sellers who are doing this are doing it because they need any money that can be achieved by such a sale. Even at a great loss.

KyleKatarn
11-24-2010, 01:21 PM
That does make sense, however, supply versus demand wise, I would have thought that this seller would have been better off selling closer to the release of a new Star Trek movie. Maybe the sellers who are doing this are doing it because they need any money that can be achieved by such a sale. Even at a great loss.

You'd think but this is America in 2010 everything is backwards even thinking. I'll wait and see if mattel makes the Voyager Warbird and Defiant toys. If they do then I'll get those.

NightCastle
11-25-2010, 11:56 AM
Star date 11.25.2010

We were traveling through a strange conical green solar system. It was not the normal layout of any standard solar system as the central star's orbiters were traveling in a circular pattern that seemed to be in a conical shape gradually getting larger in circumference the further we traveled from the central star's southern pole.

Approximately a distance of 0.333 through this strange solar system's rings, we approached an M-class planet that had a strange object behind it. (See picture 1)

As we rounded the planet we noticed that it had very strange land masses on it that seemed to form a strange pattern. We also noted that the object behind the planet was coming into view. It appeared to be a large golden cube with some strange material wrapped around it. Possibly a vessel of some sort. (See picture 2)

Based on historical records, we believe that we discovered that this object matches the structural pattern of a collective group of sentient life forms that call themselves the borg. The strange thing that seemed to make this particular vessel stand out as different was that it is gold and smaller in size when compared to the the enormous machine vessels with grayish colors having a greenish glow as described in our records.

We tried to hail the vessel. Suddenly, the vessel fire on us! We quickly took evasive maneuvers and after evading the attack tried to hail the ship again. In response we were told that we were to be assimilated as all life forms within this solar system were going to become part of the borg and that "Resistance is Futile".

We had to defend ourselves! So, we fired on the smaller golden borg cube and after a prolonged battle were able to fend off this particular solar system from this unusual borg ship. Fortunately, we discovered that this particular ship was not as powerful as a standard borg cube.

This solar system is finally safe. We are going to continue exploring this strange solar formation. (See picture 3)

Spectre o'the Phaser
11-26-2010, 11:44 AM
Very enjoyable, NC. :thumbsup: Begs for a Youtube vid with music and narration.

NightCastle
11-27-2010, 12:01 AM
Very enjoyable, NC. :thumbsup: Begs for a Youtube vid with music and narration.

Problems with legal stuff though. Thanks.

Darth Duranium
11-29-2010, 02:14 PM
Great story, NC! An epic tome! I agree with Spec... it would make a great Youtube video! I don't think Paramount/CBS would have an issue with fan fiction told with video, so long as it's not for profit.

Resistance is festive! :thumbsup:

Spec, I just can't see the JLs working for you, now that you're a MR man!
"Strange"? You mean "cheap, puny, and insignificant", don't you? :)
But hey, if I see another JL Ent-D or Future-D cheap, I'll grab it for ya! That last batch on eBay lasted about an hour, IIRC.

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-03-2010, 05:18 PM
Spec, I just can't see the JLs working for you, now that you're a MR man!
"Strange"? You mean "cheap, puny, and insignificant", don't you? :)


Well, the MR was a once in a lifetime shot for me, DD. And actually, the F-toys really hold their own. The TOS Ent in particular never ceases to amaze me each and every time I look at it, MR or no.

Darth Windu
12-04-2010, 01:43 AM
Bad news from F-Toys: I got an email from them and they said they have no plans to produce more Star Trek ships in the future. :cry:
Hey DD, since f-toys responds to you, could you email them and ask if they'd considered making Stargate ships etc?

I REALLY want a Daealus, Ancient cruiser, Prometheus, F-302, Hatak etc, especially with F-toys' detailing.

Darth Duranium
12-14-2010, 12:39 AM
Well, I'm 1 for 2 with F-Toys... they never got back to me the second time. But I'll send your question along... you never know, DW.

BTW, did anybody ever grab the Applause Ent-D? I ordered 1 last week off eBay
According to the package, it's "Excelsior-Class". Oops.
Well, at least it was cheap.

Darth Windu
12-14-2010, 05:20 AM
Cheers DD :)

Nice job of that company naming it Excelsior-class...mind you, I can see how that happened too since the Excelsior-class Enterprise-B was in the same film.

You know the worst thing about that Ent-D though? No phaser strips!!!!

Darth Duranium
12-14-2010, 09:54 PM
Yeah DW but thing is... Applause made an Excelsior-class Ent B that year!

Phaser strips? We don't need no stinkin' phaser strips! *cue spaghetti western music*
Warmongering Aussies! Sheesh. :)

I'll bet you'll like these Photon Candies then. They're "a taste of the future", apparently.

First Contact lip balm? Those Borg implants are murder on yer chops. They should've made "Cheekbone Balm" for Picard.

Not too impressed with the salt and pepper shakers either... they should have done better, IMO. Looks as if Galactic Heroes or Kubricks were involved.
Man, there's loads of crap on eBay, huh?

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-18-2010, 08:02 PM
Not too impressed with the salt and pepper shakers either... they should have done better, IMO. Looks as if Galactic Heroes or Kubricks were involved.
Man, there's loads of crap on eBay, huh?

Ugly as sin, DD.

OK, I'd like an opinion from y'all ('cause you know what they say about opinions...).

Which TOS Shuttlecraft out there is the best/most authentic?

I have the JL Series 1 Galileo, and I've been looking at the JL Galileo II from Series 5 . The color doesn't seem spot on with either of those, though I think the II might be closer to authentic. Any others that you guys can think of? I'm trying to find the best one to display with the MR Ent... :D

Darth Windu
12-19-2010, 05:18 AM
Well personally I like the furuta version, but I've never seen the JL versions in person, so no idea about a comparison.

Darth Duranium
12-19-2010, 01:19 PM
You've got a few options, Spec.

In the first pic (from L to R), there's a tiny HM, the MM, the Furuta, 3 JLs, the Playmates Innerspace, and the big HM.

The Furuta, JLs, and the big Hallmark are all pretty good, IMHO:

The Hallmark might look pretty cool illuminated, next to your new MR. It stays lit but would need to be wired up. It's wider than the JLs, too.

The Furuta's pretty amazing for its size and is nicely detailed, apart from the cockpit windows.

And I quite like JLs shuttles... the paint's quite good. My Galileo II says Columbus on the front, though.
Anyhoo, hope it helps. :thumbsup:

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-19-2010, 05:14 PM
You've got a few options, Spec.

In the first pic (from L to R), there's a tiny HM, the MM, the Furuta, 3 JLs, the Playmates Innerspace, and the big HM.

The Furuta, JLs, and the big Hallmark are all pretty good, IMHO:

The Hallmark might look pretty cool illuminated, next to your new MR. It stays lit but would need to be wired up. It's wider than the JLs, too.

The Furuta's pretty amazing for its size and is nicely detailed, apart from the cockpit windows.

And I quite like JLs shuttles... the paint's quite good. My Galileo II says Columbus on the front, though.
Anyhoo, hope it helps. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the pics, DD. I actually have the Furuta w/ the funky Cyclops window--it's not bad at all, especially for its size, albeit the color is too white... and that window...oy! :(

The HM has oddly shaped pylons to the nacelles, and the nacelles themselves are even more strangely shaped and painted. And the wiring turns me off.

The JLs overall are closest to accurate, I think, but their windows are placed way too low. Still, the JL GII seems the most acceptable to me, I think.

Still can't decide whether to throw the Shuttle in there w/ the MR Ent......

Anyway, here are some of those pics I promised long ago. The pedestal turned out fine. Now, if I can just get my wife to let me paint the walls black with glow-paint stars! :hurt::

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-19-2010, 05:16 PM
A few more.

Blue2th
12-19-2010, 08:19 PM
You've got a few options, Spec.

In the first pic (from L to R), there's a tiny HM, the MM, the Furuta, 3 JLs, the Playmates Innerspace, and the big HM.

The Furuta, JLs, and the big Hallmark are all pretty good, IMHO:

The Hallmark might look pretty cool illuminated, next to your new MR. It stays lit but would need to be wired up. It's wider than the JLs, too.

The Furuta's pretty amazing for its size and is nicely detailed, apart from the cockpit windows.

And I quite like JLs shuttles... the paint's quite good. My Galileo II says Columbus on the front, though.
Anyhoo, hope it helps. :thumbsup:

That's a lot of shuttles! Which one's in scale with the MR?


A few more.

That is sooooo cool! I agree you need black walls. :thumbsup:

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-19-2010, 09:26 PM
That's a lot of shuttles! Which one's in scale with the MR?

None, really. The closest would be the tiny one... the first one. I don't know its size/scale, but the other ones are clearly too big to be 1/350 scale. It would be nice to have a craft to this scale but I don't think there is one at this time. Maybe when and if Polar Lights releases a 1/350 TOS I might be able to get my hands on a craft that tiny. It would only be about one half inch long at the most, though. For now it might be better to just display a clearly larger scale one with the MR, just to be able to appreciate some detail. Put it in the foreground maybe, and up high, so that it suggests perspective?


That is sooooo cool! I agree you need black walls. :thumbsup:

Thanks, Blue, she's my pride and joy. The wall is now a beige color. I beseeched my G'vnah to let me paint that one wall not even black but at least a darker color but she wouldn't have it... #&^%@!! :upset:

Blue2th
12-19-2010, 10:24 PM
None, really. The closest would be the tiny one... the first one. I don't know its size/scale, but the other ones are clearly too big to be 1/350 scale. It would be nice to have a craft to this scale but I don't think there is one at this time. Maybe when and if Polar Lights releases a 1/350 TOS I might be able to get my hands on a craft that tiny. It would only be about one half inch long at the most, though. For now it might be better to just display a clearly larger scale one with the MR, just to be able to appreciate some detail. Put it in the foreground maybe, and up high, so that it suggests perspective?



Thanks, Blue, she's my pride and joy. The wall is now a beige color. I beseeched my G'vnah to let me paint that one wall not even black but at least a darker color but she wouldn't have it... #&^%@!! :upset:
Yeah the perspective thing would work.

Hey you could maybe hang up a black sheet with thumbtacks, maybe paint a planet on it at least? :)

Darth Duranium
12-20-2010, 04:30 PM
Your baby looks great upon on her pedestal, Spec. Damn! What's not to love? :thumbsup:

The teeny Hallmark shuttle is 1" long; the MM is just over 1.5" long. Maybe ok for scale but sooooo inferior in quality. I'd agree that the JL GII is probably the best out there, even if the colour scheme is technically incorrect.

I still have a fond spot for the boxy Hallmark, though. Pretty good for 18 years old.

Spec, on balance you're way ahead in the Guv'nor negotiations, even if you're stuck with a beige wall. :)

Yeah Blue, a case-fitting backdrop behind Spec's Ent would rock... perhaps a dimmable LED starfield? How about a thin flatscreen showing stars passing at warp or planets passing by underneath? *cue Courage title music* :D

Blue2th
12-20-2010, 04:53 PM
You know with your own steady shot video camera or like the old days a camera on rails and a few other things, you could make your own "captain's log..stardate..." opening scene. :yes:

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-21-2010, 04:46 PM
... perhaps a dimmable LED starfield? How about a thin flatscreen showing stars passing at warp or planets passing by underneath?

Be still, my beating heart.

Hey, how 'bout this pair: http://www.7gadgets.com/2010/05/06/star-trek-cufflinks-2/20456/il_fullxfull-138452890

Looks like the MMs have found a new niche... :D

I noticed that the JL shuttles sport rectangular landing pads. I always knew them to be circular. I did a quick visual research and have seen them both ways. Anybody know the story/history? Did they evolve from one to the other at some point? I should know this, but I dun't. The AMT GII shows round: http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/GALILEO%20PAGE.htm

Darth Windu
12-21-2010, 09:33 PM
The only images I can find are rectangle, not circle. Mind you, I think the Furuta has a round landing gear-thing so go figure.

Spectre o'the Phaser
12-22-2010, 02:42 PM
The only images I can find are rectangle, not circle. Mind you, I think the Furuta has a round landing gear-thing so go figure.

Yes, the Furuta does and so does the AMT kit.

Most legit images that I've found show the rectangle: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XNPD380IpBQ/SPJgZ_A6zXI/AAAAAAAACms/zEVu7xn03VY/s1600-h/P77_10_GalileoConstruction.jpg

Still there are images out there showing circular pads:
http://www.starshipdatalink.net/operations/images/1701-galileo-3.jpg

Go figure, indeed......

And then, the Hallmark shuttle sports no pads at all. Apparently they were meant to retract (but not always, and not all 3:
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081209025819/memoryalpha/en/images/3/37/Galileo_approaches_USS_Enterprise_from_Vulcan.jpg
http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/doomsday/Ep35_shuttle.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:GalileoSendsFlare.jpg
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/File:Galileo_approaches_Murasaki_312.jpg

And unless I'm wrong, this one seems to show the aft gear retracting immediately upon lift off:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081207035519/memoryalpha/en/images/a/a1/Galileo_launches%2C_remastered.jpg

Seems to be little retraction rhyme or reason...

Darth Duranium
12-22-2010, 06:11 PM
Yeah, I think you hit it on the head, in hammer-speak (again). The pads retract in-flight, but the CGI takes retraction to a new and seamless level, apparently.

I don't think the shuttle looks right in a steely silver colour, either. How could that match the on-set shots of the full-sized shuttle?
Don't get me started about the metallic dark grey Remastered Ent, either!

For what it's worth, I always thought the nacelle pads were round and the rear strut's pad was rectangular. The front 2 retract into the nacelles, but the aft pad just lifts a bit.

NightCastle
01-04-2011, 08:51 AM
Star Trek Expedition has been formally announced. I haven't yet found a good image of the advert, but once I do (if noone else has), I will post it.

Darth Duranium
01-04-2011, 04:43 PM
Hey NC! Thanks for the info.
Glad to see it's officially going ahead... might be interesting.

I found a pic of the set boxed and was surprised to see it encompasses the new Non-Prime universe, contrary to what they said at SDCC.

Might we see a Kelvin? A Starbase One? The Fleet? :)
Wonder if that Klingon cruiser in the pic is non-prime, too?

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-04-2011, 11:29 PM
Too bad... would have much preferred a TOS version. I won't be getting this, I don't think. That pic shows nothing too impressive IMO.

Meanwhile, I just got the JL Galileo II and it's pretty darn good. Wish the cockpit winders were more accurately placed, but oh well. Have to figure out how to best showcase it inside the display case w/ my MR Ent. I think maybe make my own stand from a thin dowel to raise it up quite a bit and a flat base (wood?) and paint it the same flat black as the display pedestal. Maybe have the craft in the extreme foreground (to 'splain the scale), heading in opposite direction of the Ent as if readying to bank around starboard 180º and into the hangar... Hey, a guy's gotta have fun... :D Will post pic once done.

Darth Duranium
01-05-2011, 05:24 PM
I have a hunch that the JL shuttle will look a little strange going the opposite direction, but hey, that's me.: a little strange. Might be nice to have a small LED spotlight illuminate the shuttle and help force the perspective.
Looking forward to the pics, no matter what. :)

Maybe you can put a K-7 space station in the background. Or a Botany Bay? :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-13-2011, 01:59 PM
I have a hunch that the JL shuttle will look a little strange going the opposite direction, but hey, that's me.: a little strange. Might be nice to have a small LED spotlight illuminate the shuttle and help force the perspective.
Looking forward to the pics, no matter what. :)

Maybe you can put a K-7 space station in the background. Or a Botany Bay? :)

Hey, I just saw a JL Ent D offered for 125 clams on Ebay. :rolleyes:

Yeah, a 1/350 scale Botany Bay would look NICE parked in front and below the Ent a la the classic studio photo, DD. Anything smaller than 1/350 would look wrong.

Fantastic Plastic makes a BB 1:350 kit: http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/BotanyBay350Page.htm

Rather pricey for a 12-piece kit, and I wonder what the quality is like...

Shown below is someone's MR Ent with it... looks pretty nice in the pic.

Unfortunately, my lack of building--and particularly my lack of painting--experience will render this endeavor prohibitive. :sad:

Blue2th
01-13-2011, 09:53 PM
The Botany Bay looks cool.

NX-01 Refit kit: http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=26713

Darth Windu
01-14-2011, 04:25 AM
Frickin' awesome!!! How much is the regular polar lights 1:1000 kit? The one that would go with this conversion piece?

Blue2th
01-14-2011, 03:50 PM
Frickin' awesome!!! How much is the regular polar lights 1:1000 kit? The one that would go with this conversion piece?

Don't know about down there, but up here it's below $20 in most cases.

I don't know I gotta get used to it. While it does look like a natural progression to the Constitution class, with a little more 2009 Enterprise like sculpting on the secondary hull, it almost looks kinda fat like the USS Bonnaventure: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_tt_bonaventure_masao.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_ep_timetrap.html&h=472&w=778&sz=130&tbnid=r7sxGe5PHtJvPM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Duss%2Bbonaventure&zoom=1&q=uss+bonaventure&usg=__LRDId4qNDTcEHGhVqb4lDpBj_QE=&sa=X&ei=C7UwTdmcDZC8sQPRrLGsBQ&ved=0CCAQ9QEwAg

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-14-2011, 04:16 PM
I don't know I gotta get used to it. While it does look like a natural progression to the Constitution class, with a little more 2009 Enterprise like sculpting on the secondary hull, it almost looks kinda fat like the USS Bonnaventure: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_tt_bonaventure_masao.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_ep_timetrap.html&h=472&w=778&sz=130&tbnid=r7sxGe5PHtJvPM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Duss%2Bbonaventure&zoom=1&q=uss+bonaventure&usg=__LRDId4qNDTcEHGhVqb4lDpBj_QE=&sa=X&ei=C7UwTdmcDZC8sQPRrLGsBQ&ved=0CCAQ9QEwAg

I used to have guppies when I was growing up.

That Bonny looks like a pregnant one: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3590703439_edb37bb096.jpg

:D

Darth Duranium
01-15-2011, 08:46 AM
I've got a 6" Botany Bay that has about the same level of detail as the Fantastic Plastic one... which is to say, not bloody much! I think I've seen sharper BBs at Federation Models, IIRC. That one's not too impressive, IMHO.
Well Spec, I think your only solution is to buy the new QMX JJ-prise as a wingman. What else is gonna do justice to the MR? :)

Yeah Blue, Drexler has been crowing about that kit for a few weeks now. I'm with you: not sure I'm all that thrilled with the NX refit.... still on the fence. The way that the Akira-like "booms" are now angled downward diagonally (in relation to the warp nacelles) kinda bugs me. Looks sharp in white, though. :)

I agree with youzes: the secondary hull's a little too TOS and guppy-chunky. I think I'd have preferred something more sleek and thin to match the top of the ship. Maybe a flying section, like the Grissom? I dunno...

BTW, Drexfiles posted a few more cool Trek pics:

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-15-2011, 11:09 AM
Check out this if you guys haven't seen it. This guy is something else, and so is this new technology of 3-D printing: http://www.therpf.com/f10/studio-scale-tos-enterprise-11-25-feet-105319/index2.html

Evidently, this is the same gentleman who created and sold the 1/350 Botany Bay pattern to Fantastic Plastic.

Blue2th
01-15-2011, 12:50 PM
Wow!

3D printing has always intrigued me. That's quite a project he's got, and bigger jeez! :shocked:

Makes me wonder why some people aren't turning out sharp detailed small scale ships this way for the masses.

Thanks for sharing Spec. :thumbsup:

Hey wasn't the USS Guppy Capn' Crunch's ship? :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-18-2011, 06:45 PM
Isn't DW a huge Defiant fan?:
http://www.therpf.com/f10/studio-scale-defiant-ds9-49239/index6.html
http://www.therpf.com/f10/studio-scale-defiant-ds9-49239/index7.html

Darth Windu
01-18-2011, 10:20 PM
Isn't DW a huge Defiant fan?
Well I'd agree I need to lose weight, but calling me huge is just mean! :p

That model looks fantastic! I didn't quite realise how big it was until I saw the pic with the coke can in it. Holy starship Batman, he's making that from scratch!!! That's amazing, especially that he has the skill, time, and money to do that. I wonder if he'd build me one out of the kindness of his heart lol

Darth Duranium
01-19-2011, 12:30 PM
Naw, he means to say you're phat, not fat, DW. :)
Wes' side!!! Represent!

3D prototyping is the holy grail for a lot of us, huh? For ship collectors, it'd be like having your own replicator from TNG. Just imagine what your collection would look like. Drool.
I imagine that it won't be long until the tech gets cheap.

Hilarious and timely Guppy reference, Blue.
I had a bowl of Cap't Crunch last year, actually. It's best described as taking a belt sander to the roof of your mouth while freebasing high-fructose corn syrup. Crazy stuff. :D

Beautiful Defiant model Spec, but just what the hell are you supposed to do with it once it's finished? Replace your baby grand? Swap out your Buick? Eclipse the sun?
'Tis cool, though.

Oh yeah sure DW, I'm sure he'll send you one for free... no worries there, mate. You might have cover postage to Oz which, based on my experience, should run about 50 grand. ;)
Then again, you could probably rig up a mast and sail it home.:thumbsup:

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-19-2011, 08:04 PM
Frankly, to me the Defiant (or is it, Dephiant?) has always looked like a fanciful hand vac or attachment thereof. Move over, Dirt Devil!

Sorry, DW... just ribbin' ya. :D

Darth Windu
01-20-2011, 06:12 AM
Oh yeah sure DW, I'm sure he'll send you one for free... no worries there, mate. You might have cover postage to Oz which, based on my experience, should run about 50 grand. ;)
Then again, you could probably rig up a mast and sail it home.:thumbsup:
lol true true, that thing would be a nightmare to move anywhere. You'd think he'd make sure the nacelles can come off to make the main body slightly smaller for transport.


Frankly, to me the Defiant (or is it, Dephiant?) has always looked like a fanciful hand vac or attachment thereof. Move over, Dirt Devil!

Sorry, DW... just ribbin' ya. :D
:shocked: poor little Defiant, never getting the respect she deserves :cry:. Actually someone (I think on the forums that Spec linked) mentioned how bad the original CGI model was. Is it just me, or does the Defiant look quite a bit different in DS9 as compared to First Contact? Her shape in FC has never looked right to me, too tapered at the rear.

As for the design of the Defiant I actually think it's the most logical/realistic of any federation (and a lot of other species') design, with the Miranda a close second. It's very compact, nothing unnecessary in the design like huge gaps that make the ship much bigger than it needs to be whilst serving no purpose (Romulan Warbird, I'm looking at you). Plus, it actually has a recessed bridge!

Darth Duranium
01-20-2011, 02:51 PM
I like the Defiant a lot... but to me its lines seem more shuttle-like, not like a classic Starfleet ship o' the line. Much more like a Captain's Yacht than a "proper" starship to me. Hard to tell how big it's supposed to be, too.
Hmmm... never noticed the Defiant's posterior was different in FC, but I thought it looked surprisingly small next to the Ent E.

I agree that the Miranda's a tight design, especially with TMP-era nacelles.

I'd throw the Akira into the fray, too.
No exposed struts or pylons, quite sleek but muscular. Much nicer than the NX knock-off. :)

Picked up a boxed Monogram Voyager, Maquis Ship, and Kazon Raider pre-painted mini models for $3 each... the original '96 MSRP. :) I don't have the MM versions so they're fairly decent surrogates for the price. The Maquis and Voyager are molded in robin's egg blue/grey plastic which seems odd to me.

Now if I can find a MM "speedboat" Shuttle from Voyager for a reasonable price, I'll have most of the ones I want from Collector Set III. I gave up on getting a MM Caretaker Array long ago.

Darth Windu
01-21-2011, 02:15 AM
True enough about Defiant I guess, but then she's built to present a small target. As for size I agree it's difficult, about the only thing I know for sure is that she has 50 crew and four decks. Very little. Didn't help that the Okudagrams, in the first episode she appeared in (The Search, part 1), were horribly, horribly wrong.

As for the Revell kits I have those as well, I bought the Maquis Raider and Kazon ship back in the day when I was a kid at a local toy store. They didn't have Voyager though, so I wrong to Revell-Monogram and asked them if they knew where I'd be able to find one - they sent it to me for free! I was rather chuffed, as you'd expect. Still have all of them although I've added paint to Voyager and the Maquis Raider.

They're good compared to the MM versions. The MM Maquis raider is a bit chunkier (so the wings won't break etc) but she's nice. Their Voyager though is too chunky, but that's because they needed the extra width to have the moving warp nacelles. I have both, plus I have the Voyager Shuttle too, it's one of my favourite MM's. Unfortunately I don't have a second one to spare DD, I'm assuming they're expensive? The only STMM's I don't have are the Caretaker Array, Kazon torpedo, and Bajoran Solar Sailer.

Beast
01-22-2011, 09:28 AM
Got some more news about the Star Trek Fleet Captains game from Wizkids.


Explore The Galaxy With Your Own Fleet!

Doomsday Devices. Giant Space Amoebas. Planets inhabited by gods. The galaxy is filled with strange new worlds... build a fleet and explore it!

Star Trek Fleet Captains features:

* Design by Mike Elliot
* Number of Players: 2-4
* Game Duration: 30-60min
* Ages: 14+
* Contains 24 highly detailed, painted 3D starships
* Non-blind
* Available Fall


Components
Game Highlights:

* 24 highly detailed, painted miniature starships (12 federation, 12 Klingon)
* 24 Ship information cards
* 50 Galaxy location tiles
* 200 Command Cards (100 Federation, 100 Klingon)
* 50 Encounter Cards
* 76 Mission Cards
* Available Fall 2011

They have pics of some of the cards and two of the ships on Wizkids' website.

http://wizkidsgames.com/startrek/star-trek-fleet-captains/

Darth Windu
01-22-2011, 10:29 AM
Thanks for the update!!!

The ships look cool, but they're not the actual ships are they? Look more like computer generated pictures to me, though I might be wrong.

Darth Duranium
01-23-2011, 01:00 PM
Thanks for the Revell vs MM info, DW. I'm glad they're not too bad after all. Any pics of your mods to the Revell's paintjobs by any chance?

Yes indeed, thanks for the update, Beast!

24 ships and non-blind boxes... starting to sound interesting.

Yeah DW, that Oberth and the Klingon design are quite a tease. WTF?

Spectre o'the Phaser
01-23-2011, 02:08 PM
Has there been a price mentioned for this game? The sizes of the ships?

Darth Windu
01-23-2011, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the Revell vs MM info, DW. I'm glad they're not too bad after all. Any pics of your mods to the Revell's paintjobs by any chance?
Alas no. I need to find my Revell Voyager first - I'm pretty sure I know where it is, just need to dig it out. The biggest problem with the Revell ships, especially Voyager is that they're very very smooth and glossy, which makes painting them a semi waste of time, because it doesn't stick too well. The paint on the Raider seems to stick okay though, and I've never painted the Kaizon Raider.


Has there been a price mentioned for this game? The sizes of the ships?
If I recall correctly, the only sizing has been a prototype in the hand of an employee, making them somewhere from titanium/DA size for the larger ships, to MM size for the smaller ones. I think, plus it may have changed.

Darth Duranium
01-24-2011, 08:18 AM
Yeah DW, I think I'll just paint (or decal) the R/M Voyager's deflector dish and leave it at that. I agree, it'd be hard to put primer on something that size, without ruining the factory paint. I came across a comparison pic (below). I think a cool kitbash would be to take the Revell's engines and graft them onto the MM's body.

I mainly bought them for the Maquis ship, which has paint pretty similar to the Strike Force version. BTW, did you paint the cockpit? Top engine area?
Hehe... the pathetically tiny Kazon ship actually looks pretty good next to the Furuta one... like it's a shuttle.

I had to pass on a certain familiar shuttle last night, DW. (see pic) It ended at just over $20 (not good but almost ok) but the seller wanted a ridiculous amount for shipping so I didn't bid. Made me sad but I don't like to get hosed $30 for a 2" chunk of plastic. Still, for some stupid reason, it made me sad. ;)

Spec, the other new Trek game sold for $49.99 so I imagine that this will be the same. There's some pics of the protos further back in this thread... look for a green Negh'Var in Apollo's hand. ;)
I think the majoriity of the ships will be MM size or smaller... they're on Heroclix stands, after all.

Speaking of games, this looks pretty cool, and you can't beat the price:
http://trekmovie.com/2011/01/22/check-out-3d-renders-for-first-ships-from-star-trek-infinite-space-browser-game/

Blue2th
01-24-2011, 10:48 AM
Alas no. I need to find my Revell Voyager first - I'm pretty sure I know where it is, just need to dig it out. The biggest problem with the Revell ships, especially Voyager is that they're very very smooth and glossy, which makes painting them a semi waste of time, because it doesn't stick too well. The paint on the Raider seems to stick okay though, and I've never painted the Kaizon Raider.


If I recall correctly, the only sizing has been a prototype in the hand of an employee, making them somewhere from titanium/DA size for the larger ships, to MM size for the smaller ones. I think, plus it may have changed.
There is a plastic etching solution in rattle can you can get but probably only from automotive paint stores. It's used for all the plastic parts on cars these days like bumpers, dashes etc. It softens hard plastic and lets paint stick to it.

I'd be interested in seeing some of those Revell ships in built form and their comparative size to other ships.


Yeah DW, I think I'll just paint (or decal) the R/M Voyager's deflector dish and leave it at that. I agree, it'd be hard to put primer on something that size, without ruining the factory paint. I came across a comparison pic (below). I think a cool kitbash would be to take the Revell's engines and graft them onto the MM's body.

I mainly bought them for the Maquis ship, which has paint pretty similar to the Strike Force version. BTW, did you paint the cockpit? Top engine area?
Hehe... the pathetically tiny Kazon ship actually looks pretty good next to the Furuta one... like it's a shuttle.

I had to pass on a certain familiar shuttle last night, DW. (see pic) It ended at just over $20 (not good but almost ok) but the seller wanted a ridiculous amount for shipping so I didn't bid. Made me sad but I don't like to get hosed $30 for a 2" chunk of plastic. Still, for some stupid reason, it made me sad. ;)

Spec, the other new Trek game sold for $49.99 so I imagine that this will be the same. There's some pics of the protos further back in this thread... look for a green Negh'Var in Apollo's hand. ;)
I think the majoriity of the ships will be MM size or smaller... they're on Heroclix stands, after all.

Speaking of games, this looks pretty cool, and you can't beat the price:
http://trekmovie.com/2011/01/22/check-out-3d-renders-for-first-ships-from-star-trek-infinite-space-browser-game/

That game looks awesome. Even if you don't play it you can watch it! :thumbsup:

Is that a Revel Voyager with fins on it DD? Which shuttle is that also?

You can get an idea what the Heroclix ships are going to look like if you see the other Star Trek game "Expeditions" with the figures. It has the Enterprise 09' in model form. Alas I don't know how big the bases are so I can't judge the size of the ship. I want one of those too as well as the buttload of 24 ships in the other set. http://wizkidsgames.com/startrek/star-trek-expeditions/

Darth Duranium
01-24-2011, 12:19 PM
That game looks awesome. Even if you don't play it you can watch it! :thumbsup:

Is that a Revell Voyager with fins on it DD? Which shuttle is that also?

Pretty awesome renders for a free in-browser game, huh? Looks like fun.

Ah, in the pics, the Revell/Monogram Voyager is on the right, the MM's left, Blue. Another pic below... not mine.

The shuttle's from the AMT ST:V Enterprise-A model kit, if memory serves. The thing is, for a little more cash than $30 I could pick up a JL-sized resin model from Federation Models or the like. Still, the mini shuttle's groovy for its size... just ask DW! It bugs me that I didn't bid... I've coveted his for ages. In the nicest possible way. :)

I stumbled across a few custom Exec Starfleet Shuttle pics... both are pretty nice IMO. Peeps do awesome stuff.

Darth Windu
01-24-2011, 10:54 PM
The shuttle's from the AMT ST:V Enterprise-A model kit, if memory serves. The thing is, for a little more cash than $30 I could pick up a JL-sized resin model from Federation Models or the like. Still, the mini shuttle's groovy for its size... just ask DW! It bugs me that I didn't bid... I've coveted his for ages. In the nicest possible way. :)
The game does look pretty cool, I'm interested in checking it out :thumbsup:

Anyway here's the first five shots I took. Some great, others woeful. I'll try to get better shots of the horrible ones.

Darth Windu
01-24-2011, 10:55 PM
Here are the next five

Darth Windu
01-24-2011, 10:56 PM
Here we have the last shots.

Darth Duranium
01-25-2011, 09:52 AM
Fantastic shuttle collection, DW! So cool... I'm truly envious. Thanks for the pics.
Do you display them with the larger ships or separately?

Where'd the Ent-D Captain's Yacht come from? It's cool, too. Great idea. :thumbsup:

Darth Windu
01-25-2011, 11:28 AM
hehe thanks DD :-). I love the Voyager Shuttle, and the Ent-E yacht is the most recent addition. The Ent-D yacht, like the Ent-A shuttle, is from the AMT/Ertl model kit.

As for displaying, I've recently slightly re-arranged them after a major dusting operation (some were absolutely filthy!). I'm now displaying shuttles with the big ships - so the Ent-E yacht with the AA/DST Ent-E; the Furuta TOS Ent Shuttle with the Playmates Ent; the Furuta Runabout with the AMT/Ertl DS9.

I'll take a few pics of the new setup in the next few days. The only issue I have is that the AMT Ent-A is in drydock needing repairs, and I have no idea where to put my micro machines. Oh, and the JL USS Yamato keeps sagging really badly on its stand.

Blue2th
01-25-2011, 11:45 AM
I had no idea there were Revell ships. Thanks for sharing.

They sure are small and the surfaces are smooth. Even less detail than a MM. Buying some of them except maybe the Maquis ship and a shuttle which I don't have in MM yet would be redundant.

Like an idiot I sold my 2 Playmates Enterprise E's. I should have gotten the Captains Yacht out of one of them first, but I thought I had a third one. Bought them on sale at Target for like $7 a piece. Now I don't have a CY except the oversized resin model. :ermm:

Darth Duranium
01-26-2011, 04:06 AM
I love the Voyager Shuttle, and the Ent-E yacht is the most recent addition. The Ent-D yacht, like the Ent-A shuttle, is from the AMT/Ertl model kit.

Oh sure, rub it in! Those are the four I'm missing! But you knew that. Just heartless. :) :) :) ;)


As for displaying, I've recently slightly re-arranged them after a major dusting operation (some were absolutely filthy!). I'm now displaying shuttles with the big ships...

The good thing about taking pics is that it's a rare occasion to dust 'em! And play with them a little, too. *whooshing sound* :)
Looking forward to your pics. :thumbsup:


Oh, and the JL USS Yamato keeps sagging really badly on its stand.
Had the same issue with the JL Ent D... drove me mad! I used a tiny drop of regular model glue on the stand's ball (not Krazy/Super Glue ;)) to sort it.


...Buying some of them except maybe the Maquis ship and a shuttle which I don't have in MM yet would be redundant.

I was looking for them for years, not many turn up, cheaply anyway. But nobody else bid, which was great.
Yeah, they're ok, not great. I'd still like the MMs but I don't wanna get hosed by the scalps... just have to hope I get lucky again.


Like an idiot I sold my 2 Playmates Enterprise E's. I should have gotten the Captains Yacht out of one of them first, but I thought I had a third one. Bought them on sale at Target for like $7 a piece. Now I don't have a CY except the oversized resin model. :ermm:

Arghhhh, that's so harsh on many levels. Deepest sympathies, dude. Well, I hope you made a mint on the PM Ent-Es.
Agreed: I wish the resin one was a little smaller, like Hallmark Delta Flyer sized.

Darth Windu
01-26-2011, 10:29 PM
Oh sure, rub it in! Those are the four I'm missing! But you knew that. Just heartless.
haha not at all, I'm innocent! Funnily enough the Ent-D captains yacht just isn't that exciting. On the pics I took of it, it's the same on the other side but with NO detailing, it's all smooth. Trust me, you're not missing anything.



Had the same issue with the JL Ent D... drove me mad! I used a tiny drop of regular model glue on the stand's ball (not Krazy/Super Glue ) to sort it.
Ah thanks for the tip, I'll see what I can find that'll do the trick. It does get annoying when I look at the Yamato and see her attempting a nosedive into the shelf...again.



I was looking for them for years, not many turn up, cheaply anyway. But nobody else bid, which was great.
Yeah, they're ok, not great. I'd still like the MMs but I don't wanna get hosed by the scalps... just have to hope I get lucky again.
The best Micro's I ever bought from eBay was a mixed collection of Star Trek MM's, I think for USD$40-50. Inside this small-ish box was a selection of the usual fare - Vor'cha cruisers, Romulan Warbirds, the shoddy original Ent-D etc...BUT it also contained the Voyager Shuttle, Cardassian Keldon-class (the best ST MM made), Voyager, HMS Bounty, and the Enterprise-E! None of them were even mentioned in the auction...actually one or two might have, but certainly not most, and definately not the Ent-E. Might be the best way to go to get the pricier items.

EDIT: Might as well use this post as the first for adding the pics of my collection :-). Not entirely happy with the layout, but here it is

Darth Windu
01-27-2011, 02:53 AM
My collection part 2

Darth Windu
01-27-2011, 02:54 AM
My collection part 3

Darth Duranium
01-27-2011, 06:22 PM
Now you're just trying to make me feel better by telling me that the CY is over-rated! Hehe... it's working! :)

Actually, I got most of my Trek MMs from inside of a loose Double-Takes Death Star that I got on eBay. All of Collector Set I and II were in there... a total surprise, it was stuffed full. I had wondered why the postage was high. :) Shame Set III wasn't in there, too! ;)

Wow, DW! Your collection looks amazing... I forget how awesome the big ships look, in particular. I think the PM DS9, Defiant, and Warbird look especially cool. The DS9 is quite impressive.
BTW, hey dude, your Narada's backwards! Bonus point? :)

I don't collect figs (too scared to go there) but a lot of yours are simply awesome. The Nemesis bridge console and crew, the Enterprise figures, and the big Worf particularly rock.

Layout-wise, maybe the figs should be separate from the ships... gets a little bit Gulliver-in-Lilliput like, as far as scale goes. Godzilla attacks!
But still, I like the way you've themed everything very much. You don't mix your franchises like I do: looks cool that way, too.

Is your SW stuff in the same room? Wouldn't mind seeing that, too! :thumbsup:

Darth Windu
01-27-2011, 10:13 PM
Wow, DW! Your collection looks amazing... I forget how awesome the big ships look, in particular. I think the PM DS9, Defiant, and Warbird look especially cool. The DS9 is quite impressive.
BTW, hey dude, your Narada's backwards! Bonus point? :)
Actually that's the AMT model DS9, but it is hard to tell sometimes, plus I'm trying to find a Playmates version. I adore the Defiant of course, but then you already knew that :D. I also found out that the F-toys Defiant would fit brilliantly as a docked Defiant at DS9, but the only way it would stay there is gluing it in, and I'm not ready to do that yet.

Thanks for the tip about the Narada. I was looking at it and, having only seen the film once thus far, couldn't remember which was the front! Had a quick look at memory alpha but that didn't help much.


I don't collect figs (too scared to go there) but a lot of yours are simply awesome. The Nemesis bridge console and crew, the Enterprise figures, and the big Worf particularly rock.
Well it was great actually, back in 2000 whilst in LA I was in some cheap department store (I forget the name, not Walmart, Kmart etc) and found the five DS9 figures (Sisko, Dax, O'Brien, Cardassian, Jem'hadar) really cheap - bonus was that the starfleet figures came with the bridge pieces for the Defiant. In terms of Layout I decided to go with adding the captain for each ship - hence Kirk in his electronic chair, Picard near the Ent-E, Picard in the Ent-D chair etc. Plus Worf, well he looks good anywhere!


But still, I like the way you've themed everything very much. You don't mix your franchises like I do: looks cool that way, too.
I try not to, though I have put my BSG and Indiana Jones Titaniums in with my Star Wars Titaniums.


Is your SW stuff in the same room? Wouldn't mind seeing that, too! :thumbsup:
It is in the same room actually - the Star Trek cabinet is on one side of a corner, the Star Wars cabinet is on the other side of the corner. I'll see if I can get some updated pics soon.

Darth Duranium
01-28-2011, 04:48 PM
Ah so, that AMT(!) DS9 looks nice... maybe you could paint the "cloaked" F-Toys Defiant and attach that one.
No worries about the Narada direction... jeez, you're gonna have to see the movie again, good excuse.
BTW, did you pick up the Target JJ-prise? Maybe I missed it.

Yep, you can see how well I can I.D. the figs, huh? ;) In my defence, some of the pics are a smidge blurry... yeah, I know that's weak. :D

I like the bridge setups a lot.
I think I saw a Captain's Chair with Pike in it at the store... is that on your hunting list, too? I want to pick up the Hallmark crispy Pike in the blinky wheelchair... it's so Christmas-y. ;)

Yeah, you know I mix and match my franchises, but there is a method to the madness, I swear. If I keep my collection in concentrated form, the wife won't drive me mad! :) It was out of hand before.

Looking forward to more pics, DW! :thumbsup:

Darth Duranium
02-02-2011, 05:16 PM
oops duplicate

Darth Duranium
02-02-2011, 05:18 PM
I compiled a list of companies that have produced Trek scaled replica ships, not including (mainly) functional items like telephones, pizza cutters, rockets etc.
What companies have I missed? Help from you experts would be appreciated.

Applause
Art Asylum/ Diamond Select Toys
Burger King (toy premiums)
Corgi
Dinky
Ertl
FASA
F-Toys
Furuta
Galoob/ Hasbro
Hallmark
Hamilton/ CBS Consumer Products
Hot Wheels/ Mattel
Johnny Lightning
Konami
Master Replicas
Playmates
Romando
WizKids
Basic Fun
Breakfast cereal (toy premiums)
Enesco
QMX/ Quantum Mechanix
Rawcliffe
South Bend/ Playskool/ Milton Bradley/ Hasbro
Star Trek Fan Club/ John Eaves
Target/ Best Buy (DVD & BR premium)
The Frankin Mint

NightCastle
02-03-2011, 10:00 AM
I compiled a list of companies that have produced Trek scaled replica ships, not including (mainly) functional items like telephones, pizza cutters, rockets etc.
What companies have I missed? Help from you experts would be appreciated.

Applause
Art Asylum/ Diamond Select Toys
Burger King (toy premiums)
Corgi
Dinky
Ertl
FASA
F-Toys
Furuta
Galoob/ Hasbro
Hallmark
Hamilton/ CBS Consumer Products
Hot Wheels/ Mattel
Johnny Lightning
Konami
Master Replicas
Playmates
Romando
WizKids
Basic Fun
Breakfast cereal (toy premiums)
Enesco
QMX/ Quantum Mechanix
Rawcliffe
South Bend/ Playskool/ Milton Bradley/ Hasbro
Star Trek Fan Club/ John Eaves
Target/ Best Buy (DVD & BR premium)
The Frankin Mint

Just curious, who is it that typically makes the McDonalds toys?

Darth Duranium
02-05-2011, 01:54 PM
I don't know for certain but I'd suspect Galoob or Applause.

I came across a pic of a pair of Enesco MM-sized ships last week. They're about 2" long.
I think they were made by Applause, based on the stand.

24494
24495
24496

BTW the lack of thumbnails in the threads sucks!

NightCastle
02-06-2011, 03:15 PM
Interesting. Very brightly colored.

Darth Duranium
02-07-2011, 03:43 PM
I came across an article that stated that McDonald's mistreated the Chinese folks at their toy sweatshop... er, factory so maybe they make their own toys instead of farming it out.

Those mini Enesco ships look a lot like the breakfast cereal toys, but I dunno for sure.

Star Struck
02-14-2011, 11:34 AM
I just started a thread in regards to finding out something about a couple Star Trek items I just picked up! I am new to this so any help would be much appreciated!

Darth Duranium
02-14-2011, 02:52 PM
Hey Star Struck,
Good name, BTW.:thumbsup:
Welcome to the forum.

You've got 2 items made by Applause there, both released when Generations came out in '94. Applause also made an Enterprise D.... pic further back in this thread.
The Applause figures were also released by a few other gift companies such as Hamilton and Enesco.

Unfortunately, the Enterprise B with Nexus stand and figure 6-pack aren't worth a great deal of money these days, but they are well-made for their time. I've got the 2 ships and think they're pretty good.

Anyhoo, hope it helps.

Star Struck
02-14-2011, 03:08 PM
Thanks Darth,

I believe it was only about $25 for the both of them so I guess I cant go wrong. Actually, my girlfriend picked them up for me. After joining this site I am getting a chance to see the detail of some of these collections. Looks like I have a long way to go!!!

Blue2th
02-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Hey Star Struck,
Good name, BTW.:thumbsup:
Welcome to the forum.

You've got 2 items made by Applause there, both released when Generations came out in '94. Applause also made an Enterprise D.... pic further back in this thread.
The Applause figures were also released by a few other gift companies such as Hamilton and Enesco.

Unfortunately, the Enterprise B with Nexus stand and figure 6-pack aren't worth a great deal of money these days, but they are well-made for their time. I've got the 2 ships and think they're pretty good.

Anyhoo, hope it helps.
Welcome Star Struck! The Applause doesn't look too bad. Furuta makes a decent Enterprise B, as well as Konami. There's comparison pics somewhere in this thread.

DD Can you believe there's over 93 pages in here? I wonder if some of the old pics are still there? I'll have to go see. There was a bunch. A veritable library of almost everything made.

Darth Duranium
02-14-2011, 11:09 PM
You did just fine, Star Struck. Including postage, it would have cost about the same for those items from eBay.

Someone stuck LEDs in an Applause Ent-B and is selling it for $15.
http://cgi.ebay.com/StarTrek-Generations-Enterprise-B-Nexus-LedLit-1995-/180625073663?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0e17e5ff
Kinda fun but I've gotta pass.

Yeah Blue, it's 93 pages of raw starship porn... and it's back! *cues Barry White track* :)
I checked and all of the photo thumbnails are there again. I was gutted when they turned into blank jpeg icons after the upgrade.
Kudos to Steve for tweaking the page width.
I like that you can now see all the pics that you've posted combined in one spot, too.
That was new to me, anyway.

Spectre o'the Phaser
03-27-2011, 12:04 PM
After I've been AWOL for too long I managed to find this thread again. Sad how the interest in small scale Trek ships seemed to disappear; DD seemed to be the only guy really initiating posts. I hope it can be resurrected... but there doesn't seem to be any commercial action of small scale ships that I know of. :(

Blue2th
03-27-2011, 01:07 PM
Hey Spec, yeah there's not much to buy out there. Good time to catch up on some stuff we don't have eh? Prices are better these days.

I for one visit this site often, but if I don't actually see the thread on the home page or hunt for it I won't know if there is any activity in it (I found it this morning cause it happened to be on the home page) I had no idea DD had replied to my post as I am not getting any notifications in my e-mail. I think my settings are there to allow it (I didn't change it otherwise)
Still trying to get used to the whole Faceplant layout.

Spectre o'the Phaser
03-27-2011, 01:17 PM
Good time to catch up on some stuff we don't have eh? Prices are better these days.



Well, I'm still not willing to pay $30+ for the Stargazer. And I've given up consistently stalking the JL D.

Darth Windu
03-28-2011, 05:47 AM
Well the only news lately is that the Wizkids 'Fleet Captains" set will be $80-100. They're also not producing expansions yet, I think they're going to wait and see how the initial set does at retail before expanding. It's a bit silly though - they'd have been much better off diversifying the original (say instead of 12 Klingon ships, do 4 each of Klingon, Cardassian, Romulan).

Still, fingers crossed :)

Darth Duranium
03-28-2011, 12:54 PM
It's dead, Jim.
Yep, it's been mighty quiet in the Trek ship world...
Dead here at SSG, too! :sad:

Ah well.
I picked up a few things recently, all old stuff, all really cheap: a WL Reliant (to finally finish off JL Series 1 in WL), a Playmates Captain's Yacht, and a small Galileo 5 Shuttlecraft from the refit kit.
Once I (eventually!) get a MM Voyager shuttle, I really don't know what else to look for.
Garage kits are too much work! :)

Darth Windu
03-29-2011, 06:05 AM
Speaking of the Voyager Shuttle, there's a few semi-cheap on ebay at the moment DD. I saw a few whilst looking for the large electronic Voyager, but didn't save the pages unfortunately.

Blue2th
03-29-2011, 04:03 PM
After reading your post DW, I decided to look for one of those Voyager shuttles. There's one on there for $19 with free shipping. Not too bad......but, I saw MM Set III and decided to see if I could get it. Low and behold I won it for $101.01 total (I sold some SW stuff so I had a little in my Paypal) That was expensive but not as expensive as they went for in the past and more individually. So that gives me something to look forward to.

Just need to get that Captains Yacht and a few other MM's like the Array.

DD, did you get that Playmates Captains Yacht for $5.00 buy it now? That was a sweet deal whoever got it.

Darth Duranium
03-29-2011, 05:54 PM
Thanks for trying to find that Voyager shuttle for me, guys. Yeah, about $20 seems to be the going rate, but I was hoping to pay about half that. :) Or less! Jeez, it's an inch and a half of plastic!
Oh well, just have to keep at it until I've got one safe in my shuttlebay. :whip:

Nice get, Blue! I guess you've been on the fence for a long time about buying MM Set III, just like me. That's a lot of bucks but it must be nice to finally have it! Let us know what you think of it when it arrives.
I'd love an Array, too. Seen a few in the $35-$40 range lately but that's much too rich for me.

Yup, I scored the Captain's Yacht for five bones "Buy It Now"! Woo hoo! Weird thing is that the auction had been up for almost a week! But it was badly worded... no "Micro", "Playmates", or "Star Trek" in the title. Took me less than 10 seconds to pull the trigger, once I saw it.
Yoink! :bandit:

Blue2th
03-29-2011, 07:09 PM
First time I've seen the set go below $100. I fully expected to get outbid and couldn't go any higher. Of course with shipping it's $101.01 and still hurts.
I think ending prices are better on weekdays during working hours. Plus it helps that it's a buyers market this time of year.
I kept eyeballing each ship individually, but by the time I would have rounded them all up I guarantee you it would have been an helluva lot more.

Looks like I'm going to have to buy a whole Insurrection Enterprise just to get that CY, then sell the D for scrap. :cross-eye

Watch when that Wizkids set comes out there will be small scale Star Trek Ships fever again depending on what's in it, but I agree with DW they should have diversified it with other species. That price is reasonable if you compare it to MM set III though for 24 ships, again depending on what's in it and the detail of course. Lets hope for some diversity within the constraints of just being Starfleet and the Klingon Empire. Lots of ships they could do rather than the ones they likely will do.

I'll try to take some interesting pics when I get the MM set.

Darth Windu
03-29-2011, 11:11 PM
Good work both of you!

DD - even though I got mine for $15, and thus on the rebelscum boards you were saying it wasn't as much of a bargain that you got, it was still 67% cheaper than mine. Hell if I'd have found it I'd have bought it too, and I already have one!

Blue - nice work with set 3, she is an expensive beast to hunt. I've never bought the set, but managed to grab all of the ships from it. I remember back in the day it cost me USD$40 for the Enterprise-E alone, and that was when the Aussie dollar wasn't so good at the time as well. The real gems in that set are Voyager, Voyager Shuttle, but by far the best is the Cardassian Keldon-class. I'd call it the best of the STMM's. The Ent-E is disappointing, but hey it's rare :D

Darth Duranium
03-31-2011, 09:43 AM
Hehe... DW, I also would've paid $15 for it, no problem! Kinda scarce these days.
BTW, why's the MM Ent E disappointing? Too small? And is the Keldon a different mould than the regular one or a repaint?

I hope you don't have to buy another Insurrection Ent E, Blue. Very pricey, I just looked! I'm sure you'll eventually hit paydirt and grab a cheap CY like we did. The scalps missed ours, after all! ;)
I totally agree that it's a buyer's market. Not a lot of counter-bids on the stuff I've grabbed lately, if any. Next year is a different story, though.

Darth Windu
03-31-2011, 10:13 AM
Well the STMM Ent-E is based on the original incorrect specs for the Ent-E, just like the First Contact Playmates version. It's also small, under-detailed, and with no phaser strips!

IMHO the Romando Ent-E is the perfect replacement STMM version. Very detailed, great size etc - much better, and it seems to be as rare too, very hard to find the Romando's.

With the Keldon, it's all-new. Detail, proportions, paint etc all far superior to the original Galor-class, if you ever get one. I guarentee you'll be impressed.

Darth Duranium
04-01-2011, 09:49 AM
What?!? No phaser strips? Noooooooo!!!! *setting self-destruct to 10 seconds*
Cheers, good to know your take on the MM Ent E's deficiencies. Shades of the Captain's Yacht, huh? Last minute changes really screwed up the toys.

Jeez, I'm glad I didn't shell out for the MM Voyager either. You've saved me a lot of dosh.
But there's still a bunch from Set III that I want... you've forced me to consider the Keldon now, too! D'oh! You've cost me a lot of dosh. :)

I've got the Romandos (Romandi?) so I'm relieved I didn't miss out on the MM. I love that the Romando E's drive section separates, actually.
Some guy had the Romando E up for sale at over $100 recently... I doubt there'll be any takers at that price.

Darth Windu
04-01-2011, 12:39 PM
haha you know me and my phaser strips :-D. The design really isn't good, if you've seen pics of the First Contact Ent-E by Playmates, essentially it's the same but smaller for the MM version.

Speaking of the Keldon, there's one fairly cheap at the moment - http://cgi.ebay.com.au/STARTREK-MICRO-CARDASSIAN-KELDON-CLASS-WARSHIP-/270726754091?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionF igures_JN&hash=item3f08926f2b, definitely a good buy though.

Romando Ent-E for $100?!?! Crazy! Glad I picked one up at my local comic book store when I had the chance!

NightCastle
04-01-2011, 08:19 PM
Hey guys! I was wondering when things would pick back up on this thread.

Have any of you seen this?

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What about this interesting eBay find?

Original Voyager Model (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160564741083&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_4564wt_1806)

Darth Windu
04-01-2011, 11:25 PM
Haven't seen that Ertl model before NC.

As for the auction, wow! I've seen that model before in the 'Art of Star Trek' book and always liked it. Figured it would have made a nice prototype say of the USS Bradbury (NX prefix but never seen).

Blue2th
04-02-2011, 01:14 AM
Aye carumba the price! That Voyager looks cool, but I'm glad they went with the Voyager we know.
Looks kinda like Voyager mixed with the Prometheus, with a little Enterprise B/ Excelsior thrown in there on the secondary hull.

Thanks for sharing NightCastle.

NightCastle
04-02-2011, 03:52 PM
I got the ERTL model a little while back and was wondering if it was a gold version of another model. It is approx about the same size as a JL.

I saw that eBay auction and immediately thought of this thread and the enthusiastic collectors here. It seemed kindof weird looking to me. I am glad they went with the version of the Voyager we all know and are familiar with.

Darth Duranium
04-03-2011, 10:33 AM
Thanks for the pic, NC.
Yep, I'd agree that Voyager study model is one disconcerting combination of ships. ;)
I think you nailed the right ones, Blue. I wonder if it was used in any DS9 battle scenes, like so many others.
Agreed, $50,000 is a smidge pricey. :cross-eye

NC, that Ertl Ent is an exclusive gold repaint made in 1994 for Spencer Gifts. It's the same tool as the earlier regular Ertl refit/A and the Smithsonian release. It comes in a numbered "limited edition" box.
I've only seen a few on eBay so they're somewhat rare, I guess.

Blue2th
04-07-2011, 05:03 AM
Just got my MM set 3 the other day. Here's a pic of the Voyager Shuttle and with the JL Voyager.

Darth Windu
04-08-2011, 06:50 AM
Looks good Blue, what do you think of the ships in Set 3? Nice background on the pics too :thumbsup:

Voyager looks amazing, I can't wait until my Voyager w/ Landing Gear arrives!

Darth Duranium
04-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Agreed, very cool, Blue. Are there any that are particularly nice from the rest of the set?
Damn, I want that shuttle! I saw one go for $13 US this week but I forgot to bid!
The Canadian dollar's really strong so I'm especially annoyed with myself. D'oh!

I hope you like your Voyager, DW. Do you have the regular JL Voyager already?

Darth Windu
04-08-2011, 11:16 PM
No I don't. Actually the only JL that I own is the NX-01, which I purchased because it was really the only one on the market. Thinking of replacing it in my collection with the Hot Wheels version though, just can't make up my mind...

Darth Duranium
04-09-2011, 12:35 PM
IMHO, you're not missing much, DW. The HW NX blows away the JL NX's, though the white one's a favourite of mine due to its uniqueness.
I think the HW is even nicer than the AA, F-Toys, and Hallmark, too. Smokes the Romando by a mile. I think Mattel did an outstanding job.
BTW, you prefer to display only 1 ship of each class?

Blue2th
04-10-2011, 12:28 PM
Looks good Blue, what do you think of the ships in Set 3? Nice background on the pics too :thumbsup:

Voyager looks amazing, I can't wait until my Voyager w/ Landing Gear arrives! They are alright DW. It was more of "I don't have these so I must have them all " syndrome. :rolleyes: Though there are some that are must haves like the Obsidian and the Maquis ship and of course both shuttles.
The JL Voyager is the shizzle. You can always (very carefully) cut them legs off if you choose.
The background is an 8 X 11 sheet of black foam or felt like sheets with sparkles sprinkled on it I got at Hobby Lobby real cheap. The black absorbs light while the sparkles reflect light. Good for space scenes. I'm going to have to experiment with it more.


Agreed, very cool, Blue. Are there any that are particularly nice from the rest of the set?
Damn, I want that shuttle! I saw one go for $13 US this week but I forgot to bid!
The Canadian dollar's really strong so I'm especially annoyed with myself. D'oh!

The Voyager shuttle I must say is the pic of the litter, with the movie shuttle a close second. I really like the Maquis ship, the Bajoran Fighter and the Obsidian. While the Voyager is pricey and rare, it really isn't worth all the who-ha. It seems to be over sculpted with panel lines, the nacelles pivot axis is incorrect, and mostly it's a dark blue-gray color is wrong. Still I'm not sorry I bought it as long as it came with the set. I tend to agree with DW's earlier assessment of the MM Ent-E. It's not that great for the prices people want for them, and so many other fine ones to get from other makers.
It's nice to have all the obscure ships from DS9, but not having watched much of it, I'll have to search for them once I finally do. Though I have the much larger and superior made Furuta Jem Hadar ship this baby one is ok.
I like all the three Kazon ships also though I think the Raider is the wrong color and the Furuta gets it closer to authentic.

I just noticed that the Kazon Torpedo is not in this set...doh! another one to acquire.:cross-eye


No I don't. Actually the only JL that I own is the NX-01, which I purchased because it was really the only one on the market. Thinking of replacing it in my collection with the Hot Wheels version though, just can't make up my mind...


IMHO, you're not missing much, DW. The HW NX blows away the JL NX's, though the white one's a favourite of mine due to its uniqueness.
I think the HW is even nicer than the AA, F-Toys, and Hallmark, too. Smokes the Romando by a mile. I think Mattel did an outstanding job.
BTW, you prefer to display only 1 ship of each class?
Hey guys I just won a whole set on ebay a few minutes ago for $52 shipped, so I'm stoked! :thumbsup:
The HW NX-01 is that good huh? I was simply blown away by the F-Toys NX-01 and the Mirror Darkly NX-01. They are definitely worth having because of the same relative size to Furutas and JL ships. The JL is like a kids toy compared.
This HW NX-01 will go good with all the medium size ship collection I seem to be accumulating lately.

I still don't have the HW Enterprise D yet, and as DW mentioned it's worth having so I'll get that singularly.

I'll post some comparison pics etc. later.

Darth Duranium
04-11-2011, 10:58 PM
Nice! I think you'll like your HW NX a lot, Blue. Nice size, nice deco... nice job.
The D has nice tooling but could use more paint, IMO. Though I agree with DW... quite worthwhile.
I wish the HW line hadn't fizzled out... it was a good line, overall.

Nice MM review, very helpful. I've got those little Revell jobbies so I'm ok for a Maquis and Kazon in MM size but it's the Voyager shuttle that I most want from that set. The Spacedock shuttle's cool... I've got that one and that's it.
Like you, I can't recall some of the alien ships from Set III so I've never been too worried about getting them. Same goes for most of the SW EU MMs.
Still, it'd be nice to have EVERYTHING! I do understand that compulsion. :)

Darth Windu
04-11-2011, 11:27 PM
They are alright DW. It was more of "I don't have these so I must have them all " syndrome. :rolleyes: Though there are some that are must haves like the Obsidian and the Maquis ship and of course both shuttles.
The JL Voyager is the shizzle. You can always (very carefully) cut them legs off if you choose.
Ah, yes I know that syndrome all too well. The Obsidian/Keldon ship I think is great, and the Maquis raider is very nice too, though it needs extra paint for the warp and impulse engines IMHO.

The JL Voyager is indeed veyr nice. I received mine today and now it's in four pieces :twisted:



The Voyager shuttle I must say is the pic of the litter, with the movie shuttle a close second. While the Voyager is pricey and rare, it really isn't worth all the who-ha. It seems to be over sculpted with panel lines, the nacelles pivot axis is incorrect, and mostly it's a dark blue-gray color is wrong.
The Voyager shuttle in indeed a beauty. Voyager herself is okay, but that's about it. Keeping in mind it was released back in the 90's of course, she was good for her time.


I just noticed that the Kazon Torpedo is not in this set...doh! another one to acquire.:cross-eye
Indeed. It's also one that I'm hunting, one of the very few ST/SW MM's that I don't have. I'm missing the Kazon Torpedo, Bajoran Solar-Sailer, and the Caretakers Array. I think that's all.



The HW NX-01 is that good huh? I was simply blown away by the F-Toys NX-01 and the Mirror Darkly NX-01. They are definitely worth having because of the same relative size to Furutas and JL ships. The JL is like a kids toy compared.
This HW NX-01 will go good with all the medium size ship collection I seem to be accumulating lately.

I still don't have the HW Enterprise D yet, and as DW mentioned it's worth having so I'll get that singularly.
Oh absolutely! DD and I agree that the NX-01 from Hot Wheels is amazing, I think you'll just be blown away by how awesome it is in person. On the other hand DD thinks the Ent-D needs more paint, whereas I think it emphasises everything that needs it and leaves the rest nice and understated. Different folks different strokes I guess.

In related news I received my JL Voyager, and the Hallmark Delta Flyer and Vulcan Ship today. The JL looks great! However it is (as the seller noted) slightly separated between the saucer and engineering section. Plus, the nacelles tend to drop down to sort of an inverted warp position. This happened to your JL Voyager's? To fix both problems I've disassembled the ship, as I often do, and intend to fix both problems. The hull gap is easy, the nacelles are going to be harder to fix.

As for the Hallmarks, they're great! They're also huge, especially the Vulcan ship. Actually she would look very nice next to the HW NX-01. Not sure what I'm going to do with the cords, I'm leaning towards cutting them off. After all I want to display them, not put them on the christmas tree.

Blue2th
04-12-2011, 01:54 AM
The F-Toys Enterprise D is kinda like that. Lots of detail but minimal on the paint. Of course all plastic and the funky place to put the stand. Very close to the same size from what I remember seeing the HW D in the stores (should have bought one then...duh) though I will have to see a HW next to it.

I haven't had those problems with my JL Voyager. All functions normal though the nacelles will droop they are fix positional. Hope you can fix it.

Those Hallmarks I'd at least plug them in first and see if you like the lights before the finality of cutting them.

Darth Windu
04-12-2011, 04:13 AM
I guess the Ent-D HW is similar to the F-toys (I have both) but the HW has better surface detailing, so the slight lack of paint doesn't matter as much. Plus, the saucer separates which is awesome :thumbsup:

With the JL I'm going to file down the attachment points and then re-seat the hull, that should fix the hull gap. Still undecided as to what I'll do about the nacelles though, one seems particularly loose. Since it has landing gear I could simply glue them in position to be fixed, but I don't think I want to do that. The other alternative is getting something, some blu-tack maybe, and insert it to increase the friction and make the nacelles less prone to sagging.

I'm holding off on cutting the wires on the Hallmarks so far. What I'm thinking is that I'll try to, very gently, crack the two pieces apart and remove the electronics. That means I'll be able to display it as a normal model, but still have the electronics in one piece to use if I want to.

Darth Duranium
04-12-2011, 12:05 PM
I haven't had any sagging nacelles on my JL Voyagers DW, but I have seen others that look flaccid. I think the friction points wear if you move the nacelles up/down, so I've always been careful not to mess with them much. I'd be curious to see what the JL looks like on the inside, actually. Let us know how it works out.

Congrats on the Hallmarks! I agree with Blue's advice to check the lights out before you chop. I think all the wiring's hardwired (UL listed) and the ship's glued together so it'll be quite challenging to safely crack.
What do you think of the Delta Flyer? I think it's particularly sweet.

I agree that we may have a few different criteria (phaser strips, deflectors etc) but it's rare that any of us fundamentally disagree about whether a given ship is worthwhile or not. We all know quality when we see it, eh?

Blue, I think you're right to compare the HW to the F-Toys... they're quite similar in almost every way. The Applause D is pretty close, too.
I always chuckle when I see the JL D go for high prices. Aside from a cool paintjob, there are many others that are nicer representations.
But F-Toys should have been slapped for their stand placement. Duh!

BTW guys, I slapped some Stargazer nacelles (Innerspace) on a spare JL Reliant last week and added it into my shelving unit. It's probably a temporary kitbash (I didn't have to glue anything) but it doesn't look too bad as a background fleet ship.

Darth Windu
04-12-2011, 10:20 PM
Well the JL Voyager is still disassembled, I can take pics if you like? Haven't found anything interesting like when I disassembled the Titanium V-19, but still.

The Hallmark Delta Flyer looks great! Very happy with it. I tested both and was a bit underwhelmed with the Vulcan ship, after all, all it does is have the blue ring light up. I'd be quite happy to cut the wires on that one.

The Delta Flyer looks better, but again not blown away. Actually I don't know if it's different power requirements etc, damage to my Flyer, but when you press the button for Janeway's voice it either doesn't work, or it works, but sounds like she's had a sex change and is high... Yeah it's a bit on the odd side.

I have to say the JL USS Yamato left me pretty unimpressed. Yes the surface paint details are great but the saucer separation is flimsy, and it broke some paint off my ship. Having said that it's still nice, just smashed out of the part by HW. I quite like these paint variation ships though, for example I have the JL Yamato but not Ent-D; I have the HW Saratoga but not the Reliant etc. Would have been awesome to get a HW USS Galaxy or USS Venture. I was actually getting a bit sad last night thinking of how ragingly awesome a HW version of Voyager, Defiant, and AGT Ent-D would have been :upset:

The kitbash certainly looks interesting DD. Maybe a Search and Rescue variant of the Miranda-class, designed to put all power into speed?

Darth Duranium
04-13-2011, 08:17 PM
Sure DW, a pic would be cool. Always curious about how they're constructed internally.

That's odd that Janeway sounds so weird. Agreed, sounds like a issue with power cycles. The Vulcan ship and the Flyer should glow quite brightly.

Personally, I wish Hallmark would skip the audio features altogether. I love the lights but when I plug the string of ships in, it makes an ungodly racket for about a minute. The Borg cube and Death Star II are probably the worst offenders.... they go on forever. :)

As much as I'd love a HW Defiant, Voyager, and Future-D, I'm still hung up on the Corgis we never got. So sad.

Hehe. I was thinking the kitbash looked a bit like a long distance courier ship or something used for interdicting smugglers, actually. I suppose it's not a million miles from the some of the hull configurations we saw in ST:XI, really.

Darth Windu
04-14-2011, 12:13 PM
No worries DD, I'll try to take pics soon before I start modifying :twisted:

So the large electronic USS Voyager warped into the starbase I run today. Looking good, though the first owner put two stickers on in the wrong place...gotta see if I can fix that. Anyone know how to re-sticky stickers?

Anyway I though okay, I'll check to see if the nacelles actually move or not. The auction said not, but you never know. I pressed the button, and nothing happens. Then I though hmm - I held the button for a second or two and bang, nacelles start moving! :thumbsup: I've tried numerous times now, they move up and down. The motor is a bit loud but meh, it works so I don't need to get into Voyagers guts to repair it. Will take a pic of the new ship plus her shuttles - the Delta Flyer and Voyager shuttle - soon.

Darth Duranium
04-15-2011, 12:34 PM
That's great news about your new Voyager's ample nacelles, DW! Good on ya! It probably would have been a nightmare even finding a new motor if it had been burnt.
You might want to ask Unreality if he has any sticker removal tricks... he's pretty knowledgeable about such things. There's a product I've used for other things called Goo Gone that might work, but I'm not sure if there would be any unwanted side effects.

Found a few interesting things in recent days:

Excelsior foamcore study model:
http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-TREK-TNG-CAMERA-TEST-MODEL-EXCELSIOR-CLASS-SHIP-/280537089182?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item415150449e

Bryan Singer's Star Trek Federation pitch:
http://trekmovie.com/2011/04/14/exclusive-the-true-story-behind-the-bryan-singer-pitch-of-star-trek-federation/

Drex is back with some cool stuff:
http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/

Aoshima is doing an Ent D at a scary price:
http://www.hlj.com/product/AOS08713
Damn, I want that El Baz shuttle!
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Darth Windu
04-16-2011, 10:07 AM
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Hi folks, here are some pics of Voyager, plus the MM Shuttle and Hallmark Delta Flyer. Overall I like the Playmates Voyager is nice, but the Defiant is far superior. Mind you, I have a huge soft spot for the Defiant.

I've also attached some pics of the disassembled JL Voyager too. The small piece down the bottom is an insert that forms the ball joint allowing the ship to sit on the stand.

EDIT: good finds there DD! That Ent-D model looks amazing, but I'm too lazy to check the exchange rate. I'm happy with the Ent-D's I have though, plus lots of unbuilt models from about a decade ago...

I also had a comparison look at the HW and F-toys Ent-D. The F-toys has a very slightly superior paint job, they mark some...sensors? Not sure what they are, but they're yellow. Oh and the escape pod hatches have a light grey on them.

Funnily enough, there are also three phaser strips on the underside of the stardrive section - one main strip just after the deflector, and two smaller strips under the warp pylons. The HW has the main strip painted but not the smaller ones, the F-toys has the two smaller ones painted but not the main one.

The biggest difference for me is that although the paint apps aren't quite as good on the HW, the molded details stand out more. The molded details on the F-toys are just as accurate, but they're much more subtle and tend to blend in with the ship, whereas the HW details get more attention. Plus the HW has a nice semi-gloss finish, making her pick up the light better.

Darth Duranium
04-16-2011, 05:28 PM
Cheers DW, not much to the JL Voyager, huh? Is this the one with landing gear? I thought the gear retracted into a hole, but it's been a while since I've closely examined mine. Regardless, I think JL did a nice job on the Voyager.
The Playmates Voyager looks sweet, especially from the front. Well, you know how I like a nice deflector. :) Very sharp ship!
Nice of you guys to tease me with the MM Voyager Shuttle AGAIN!!!! :)

The thing I like most about the F-Toys Ent-D is how wonderfully thin and graceful it is. I think the detailing's nice but not overdone and I like the flat paint. I like that both are pale blue, too.
Yeah, the HW's paint apps could be better but agreed, it's still a great ship. Despite the colour issues, I still like the Corgi D, too.
The Hallmark and JL Future-D's are both nice, too.

Darth Windu
04-16-2011, 10:28 PM
The JL Voyager is indeed the one with landing gear, and no they don't retract. Would've been nice, but instead they're fixed to the bottom of the engineering hull. It's not too complicated, pretty easy to take apart if you're careful. Still not sure what to do about those nacelles though...

The Playmates Voyager is indeed nice, and no teasing intended :bandit:. The one thing I don't like is that the bottom section of the front of the ship 'hangs down', it's very, very close in shape to the Furuta. Not sure if it's the actual shape, but I've always thought it would get in the way of the torpedo launchers which doesn't seem smart.

Darth Duranium
04-19-2011, 09:24 PM
Y'know, I must have been thinking of the landing gear on the Futurama Planet Express ship I've got. :)
Please let us know what you figure out to do with those "brewer's droop" nacelles. ;)

Yeah dude, the Playmates is a little bulbous there, now that you mention it. The CGI model did have some belly:
http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/side.jpg

I just looked and I think that the Hallmark got that detail best.

Darth Windu
04-20-2011, 01:18 AM
Ah, those Drex sources are amazing! The Furuta and Playmates versions definitely have too much of a bulge in the bottom section of the saucer, but hey I can live with that - Art Asylum have said they're only doing two ships per year, and the next three I know of are the Excelsior, Ent-B, and Klingon BoP.

Planet Express Ship eh/ Where id you get that from? I recently received my diecast 'Serenity' from the Firefly series and immediately removed the stupid keychain bit, nice and easy. Oh, where did you get your diecast modern BSG Cylon Basestar from?

Darth Duranium
04-20-2011, 02:45 PM
Gotta love the Drex Man! Did you check out the last look at Voyager's bridge in his last video? Pretty cool stuff.
I really enjoyed AA's Q&A session a few months back when AA tore some ignorant "fan" to shreds after he accused AA of not caring about their products. Whew, that was one scathing retort! I nearly posted it 'cuz it was so unusually nasty. :)
I can see why Hasbro stopped taking questions, not that I care anymore.
I wonder when AA's getting around to releasing those 3 big ships (which look amazing, incidentally). It's taking quite a while, it seems. I smell a back burner.

The Planet Express ship is this one:
http://www.gotfuturama.com/cgi-bin/imageview.cgi?/Information/Merchandise/images/MAC/peship.jpg
It's about 4 to 5 inches long and has retractable landing gear... the rear gear look like Voyager's peg legs. The only one on eBay is $52 so I guess it must be rare. It is not worth $52!

I got the metal Basestar from a Canadian eBay seller in the US called Tsunaki Medicinecrow.
I don't see his stuff on there at the moment but I might be able to dig up his email.

Darth Windu
04-21-2011, 11:31 AM
I always read the Star Trek AA Q&A, but don't recall seeing that one. Feeling like posting? :twisted:

Hasbro stopped the Q&A sessions? Huh, goes to show how much attention I was paying... After they canceled Titaniums I completely lost interest.

Nice looking Planet Express ship, but definitely not paying $50 + postage for it! I'd say you're right, must be in very short supply to be that pricey.

Cheers for the info re: Basestar. Pity that Hasbro never produced that one, why they couldn't have just done one more is beyond me...

Blue2th
04-21-2011, 11:56 AM
I've been checking out the Art Asylum Q&A too for info on the new ships coming, and in particular I wanted to see why they discontinued the Enterprise D. I wonder if it was the decal issue with the section just below the saucer and they decided to fix it in another run I was hoping. I can't find an explanation in past Q&A's though. There's still a high demand for them and they are getting ridiculous prices for them now. I would like to know what's up because I neglected to get one (well I was poor then)

You can still get the Future Enterprise D with some sites having preorders so I think it's still being produced, but not the good ol' regular D. :(

Darth Duranium
04-21-2011, 08:24 PM
Ah jeez DW, I'm too lazy to go back and find that Q&A! You can't miss it though: the Q guy goes on a ridiculous rant that goes on and on. The retort is pretty long, too. I think I saw it in January.

Yeah DW, I read somewhere that Hasbro's Q&A is dead. It doesn't affect me, either... I don't buy their stuff anymore since Titanium died. (R.I.P.)

Hey DW, did you grab that JL Voyager that I PM'd you about? It went for 10 quid including int'l postage, which ain't too bad.

Dunno why AA canned the D, Blue. I'll drop you a line if I see one cheap. The AA BoP looked especially cool, judging by the pics from various cons and trade shows.

Guys, I'm convinced that I have the Galileo Curse:
1) The front of my JL Galileo II is marked Columbus. Actually, I don't mind that one.
2) My MM Galileo II has a misprinted extra Galileo logo on the front. I mind that one.
3) I just got the AMT Galileo V model but it was missing the 2 impulse engines. The seller must have sold the rest of the model so I got it (90% of the shuttle) for free.
I'm gonna have to make my own impulse engines, which I'm not particularly thrilled about. Free is good, though. :thumbsup:

I was feeling sorry for myself (*wife rolls eyes*) so I bought a MM Voyager shuttle for $15 inc shipping. Woo hoo! :)
Hope I get lucky with that one! :lipsrsealed:

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Darth Windu
04-21-2011, 10:44 PM
I vaguely remember the one you're talking about DD, will have to go and big it up for a bit of a laugh :razz:

I didn't buy that Voyager, I'd purchased one a few days before from a guy here in Australia. Now I'm just waiting on an auction from the same guy for the JL Future Ent-D which hopefully I'll win and get combined shipping. He's the same one I bought the JL Voyager with Landing Gear and the Hallmarks from, even refunded part of the shipping cost because he'd over-estimated!

On ebay news I noticed one guy (I keep track of him because he's sold small models of Atlantis from Stargate) has a model of the Star Forge from KotOR for sale. About $30 at the moment including shipping.

I have no idea on the Ent-D either. I think AA would really be looking at what sort of orders they'll get before going ahead and producing more. I mean no more Star Trek figures, nothing BSG, nothing Stargate - I get the impression they're not doing so well and are very gun-shy at the moment.

You do seem to have quite the curse there DD! Let's hope the Voyager Shuttle turns up intact, fingers crossed! I think you'll like it a lot, it's a very nice piece. Shame about the Ent-A shuttle but hey, can't argue with free :thumbsup:

Darth Duranium
04-22-2011, 01:20 AM
I hope you repost the Q & A, DW... I thought it was hilarious.

Good luck with the JL Future D.... she's a beauty. Hallmark's pretty nice, too.
Sounds like a great seller... I love sellers like that!

Some curse, eh? ;) Well, I've got 5 regular Galileos plus 12 other Starfleet shuttles on the shelf so I guess it only applies to Galileo II's and V's. :)
Can't wait for the Voyager shuttle! Couldn't take the torturous pictures anymore! :D

BTW, don't know if you've heard but there's info on Trekmovie about the final nail into Stargate's coffin... until the reboot, of course:

Stargate Movies Shut Down

Sci-Fi TV giveth and taketh away. We have previously reported that the Syfy series Stargate Universe has been cancelled and the second season (currently airing) will be the last. However, there was still hopes (and discussions) of a continuation of SGU in the form of TV/DVD movies. There have already been two Stargate DVD movies and there has been talk of another SG-1 film ("Stargate: Revolution") and a Stargate Atlantis film ("Stargate: Extinction"), which would have included Star Trek: Voyager’s Bob Picardo. But hope for all those films died this weekend at the official Stargate convention in Vancouver. Gateworld reports that Stargate executive producer Brad Wright told the crowd that MGM has "permanently shelved" all the Stargate projects.

So it appears for now that after 14 years on TV with three series, the Stargate franchise, has come to an end. Or at least an end for now, Wright offered fans this ray of hope “It’s a franchise. Stargate is not over. Somebody smart from MGM is going to figure it out, and something will happen.” Seems like Stargate fans are now where Trek fans were in 2005 after Enterprise was cancelled and before the JJ Abrams Star Trek movie was announced in 2006.

Darth Windu
04-25-2011, 11:49 AM
Well I won the JL Ent-D! $25, and with the normal JL Voyager it turns out to be just over $50 including shipping which I think is reasonable enough. I just can't stand the Furuta version anymore, it's...well, crap.

So have you received your Voyager shuttle yet?

I did indeed hear about Stargate, very sad :(. I don't understand why MGM are doing it though - I mean surely SG-1 and Atlantis movies would spin some money for them, and they badly need profit at the moment, it's a no-brainer! *shakes head* I guess I'll just have to buy the Stargate Universe 'complete series' on DVD to complete the collection.

Darth Duranium
04-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Congrats, DW.:thumbsup: Considering what they're going for these days, that's a very reasonable price for those 2, especially including shipping to Oz. I think they're definitely amongst JL's best for sure.
Hehe. I don't mind the Furuta Voyager that much but it's the worst of the 4 JL-scaled ones I have. None are perfect, that's for sure... but none are horrendous, IMO.

Nope, no Voyager shuttle yet.... it should get here this week, I hope. Shipping was free so it might not arrive until next week... really hard to say. All my stuff from the UK seems to get here within 5 days but US shipments always seem to take longer.

I never got into Battlestargate Universe but I did see a few scenes with some fine acting from Robert Carlyle, whom I think is quite brilliant in everything he's in. I think they're down to the last 1 or 2 episodes here. I'll probably watch the finale and hope the show does its best to offer something original.
Yeah dude, MGM is the epitome of how not to run a studio. The next Bond movie is another prime example of stupidity on their part. But I guess the ratings weren't there for SGU and they want to rest the franchise for a while.
I'd imagines that the eventual reboot will forgo sets, like the the new BSG:B&C show apparently does.

Darth Windu
04-26-2011, 11:37 AM
Yeah I figured especially for the Future Ent-D it was pretty good. The great thing is, this guy is an Aussie and ONLY ships to Australia, so yay for ultra-cheap shipping!

To clarify (and I worded it badly) I meant that I can't stand the Furuta Future Ent-D anymore. Their version of Voyager is nice to play with...err...I mean display, but the Ent-D (both future and normal) leave a LOT to be desired.

Carlyle is indeed a great actor, he and the guy who plays Colonel Young really make that show. It's definally more of a BSG feel, but I like BSG! It's kinda like a blend of two of my favourite shows, unfortunately I've had to miss a few episodes but hey. Still want to buy Caprica too...

Ah, don't get me started on the new Bond films... I watched Casino Royale with a mate and neither of us (I've seen every Bond film) could make any sense of the plot. I think they just gave up in QoS, it didn't seem to have any plot whatsoever. Hopefully they make money though - means they'll have more dosh to spend on Stargate.

No sets hey? Interesting...especially considering that apparently that's the cause of some of the wooden acting in the Star Wars prequels. Meh, hopefully it works out, I can't resist a new BSG series.

Darth Duranium
04-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Agreed, yay for ultra cheap shipping!
Ah ok, you meant you didn't like the Furuta Ent Ds, not the Voyager. Yeah, they're too small and kinda lacklustre, though they do have phaser strips. ;) Though I see somebody's selling Set 1 for $250, which is ridiculous.

SGU has a "bit of a BSG feel", DW? Only the sets, the music, the costumes, the dark tone, the shaky-cam, the hormonally-charged acting style, the entire premise... well, at least they're not "borrowing" from Trek any more... except Voyager. :) Hehe... I'm only sorta kidding. :twisted:
On the positive tip, the production values seem higher than the earlier SG shows and I like the CGI. They've tried to inject the show with a much greater sense of realism, which I appreciate. I like Carlyle's character... he seems to be an interesting enigma.

BTW, BBTS has the QMX Death Glider and F-302 for $50 each, if you're interested. I think they're cool looking ships and I'd buy them if they were cheaper. I wish Titanium had done them as planned. $7? That'd suit me.
There's a Konami BSG on eBay for $25 right now, too. I think that's a good price these days.

Didn't you pick up some SG models recently? Are they nice?

Darth Windu
04-26-2011, 10:22 PM
Actually funny you mention the Stargate Titaniums - I asked Hasbro about them a while back such as how far along was it, had they made prototypes etc - but they never replied. Rude.

I have indeed bought some Stargate mini's though, still waiting for them to show up though. I've actually bought a few more too - purchased a set of a miniature Stargate and DHD. Apparently you have to assemble and paint them, but that's fine with me. Will post pics when they all turn up :-)

Darth Duranium
05-02-2011, 05:54 PM
FYI: AA/DST have announced their upcoming shipping schedule:

07/27/11 ALL GOOD THINGS ENTERPRISE D

07/27/11 NEMESIS ENTERPRISE E

NightCastle
07-06-2011, 12:48 PM
Here is a recent article about the now named 'Star Trek Fleet Captains':

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/20247.html

Here is the expanded image of the ships, etc.

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Darth Windu
07-10-2011, 12:02 PM
Hey NC! It does look pretty cool doesn't it? DH and I've been keeping the appropriate thread updated on the Rebelscum forums, seems more lively than here. Feel free to join us :-)

NightCastle
07-21-2011, 04:10 PM
Hello DW! I have been looking through the Rebelscum forums and cannot find the postings you are referring to. Where is the thread? Sorry, it took me a while.

Darth Duranium
07-25-2011, 08:18 PM
Hey NC, PM sent.

Beast
10-26-2011, 02:37 PM
For those who weren't that impressed in Fleet Captains... now they're doing actual Star Trek Heroclix.

http://heroclix.com/announcements/boldly-go-where-no-clix-have-gone-before/

http://heroclix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/star-trek-tactics-sell-sheet-high.jpg

http://heroclix.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/star-trek-tactics-sell-sheet-low.jpg

These should actually be painted unlike the ships that came in Fleet Captains. Very cool.

Darth Duranium
10-27-2011, 04:49 AM
Cheers for the heads up, Beast. These look very interesting!
Yeah man, I also hope they don't lose the paintjobs at the last minute!

Blue2th
10-27-2011, 02:28 PM
Thanks Beast. Hey DD...howdy

It says "pre-painted" on the link so we're good. This is the difference between buying them and not.
Though is there anything in those sets that haven't been made already? Probably some in smaller size MM and Furuta which depending on the ship might be hard to track down at a good price. Hopefully they'll include the JJ-prise in there. Being available individually is cool too.

Maybe they'll continue with more pre-painted expansion packs with some obscure stuff that hasn't been made.

Darth Duranium
10-27-2011, 04:45 PM
Hey Blue! Wassup? ;)
Agreed, Neca's "bait and switch" re: Fleet Captains was a deal-breaker for me, too. I would've been pretty p.o.-ed if I'd pre-ordered a set of "pre-painted" minis that turned up paint-free! *brought to you by the letter "P"*

Looks like they're just releasing 28 Fed and Klingon ships at first but I don't know if that includes JJ-verse stuff, too. I'm just glad they're being sold à la carte: a very smart move. Hope they're cheap.
The only "new" ship I can see so far is the Klingon Raptor-class, if that's indeed what it is. Can't wait to see what's in store for this line, though. Very promising. C'mon obscure!

BTW, I got my Hallmark NYCC Defiant yesterday. Quite nice!

Blue2th
10-27-2011, 07:58 PM
Yeah the JJ-prise is in the Expeditions set. Hopefully it'll migrate to an expansion pack, or a single pack would be ideal.
That raptor class ship will be on my list then. I thought for sure there was an Enterprise series version of the early BOP.
The site says 28 ships, but I can't find a list of them now.
.... and c'mon obscure like a USS Kelvin pleeze!

That NYCC Defiant would be something to buy, but they are still expensive. Hope you didn't pay too much. Lights up, then glows in the dark geez.

Darth Duranium
10-28-2011, 03:10 AM
Yeah Blue, according to MA, these are the 24 ships (18 really) in Fleet Captains so I'd imagine there'll be a LOT of crossover into Tactics.

Fleet Captains Federation
Constitution-class Refit USS Enterprise-A
Miranda-class USS Reliant
Excelsior-class USS Excelsior
Oberth-class USS Yosemite *
Galaxy-class USS Venture *
Nebula-class USS Sutherland*
Defiant-class USS Defiant
Intrepid-class USS Voyager
Sovereign-class USS Enterprise-E
Saber-class USS Yeager NEW
Prometheus-class USS Prometheus
Nova-class USS Equinox
*new registry
Fleet Captains Klingon
Raptor-class IKS Somraw NEW
Raptor-class IKS QhonDoq
D7-class IKS Klothos
D7-class IKS Gr'oth
K't'inga-class IKS Kronos One
K't'inga-class IKS T'Ong
Klingon Bird-of-Prey IKS Korinar
Klingon Bird-of-Prey IKS Ch'Tang
Klingon Bird-of-Prey IKS Rotarran
Vor'cha-class IKS Bortas
Vor'cha-class IKS Maht-H'a
Negh'Var-class IKS Negh'Var *maybe a different variant than the MM?
Expeditions
JJ-Prise
Klingon Warbird NEW

So it may be a little underwhelming after looking over that list, but there are likely a few new ones for us, plus expansions. Loads of room for a Kelvin and an Akira! Hope they're cromulently embiggened to a decent size. ;)
Those KBoPs are all from the TNG era, sadly.

I paid $80 for a NYCC Defiant which seems to be a semi-decent price, I guess. *shakily taking shot of Jager*
I was watching eBay like a hawk and that's the best I could do, anyway. Some guys that I talked to paid more than a C-note so I'm glad I held on for a while, at least.
The price seems to be creeping up again so I hope you can nab one before they go out of sight, like the F-Toys TOS ISS Ent. I hope I'm wrong for your sake but I don't think so.

BTW, there are only 700, 175 sold/day, they cost $30 at the con, but it required a $40 admission and hours of queuing in line. That's how I justified the extortion, anyway. :)
It is the 2006 Hallmark Ent but there are no lights, sound, or stand(!) this time. Paint is less glossy and not as green as the promo photo, but it does glow in the dark really well. Much nicer registry markings than the JL. I'll post a pic, if you want. Anyhoo, good hunting, mate.

Blue2th
10-28-2011, 10:16 AM
Thanks for the list DD. The Saber class Yeager looks interesting. From First Contact. Drawn by Alex Jaeger at ILM. Hmm, makes me want a shot of Jager! :friendly_wink:
http://www.neutralzone.de/database/Federation/StarFleet/Sabre.htm

All the ships are probably going to be bigger than the MM size, and some only available before in MM like the Negh'Var so I may end up getting most if not all of them.

I can't resist another Equinox, love that little ship.

We've only gotten a MM Excelsior and a MM sized Furuta one (which is excellent despite the size) so maybe we'll get a bigger one hopefully.

Yeah I don't know about that NYCC Defiant with no features except glow paint for that price. Rarity probably makes it worth having though.

Darth Duranium
10-31-2011, 04:00 AM
Remember back in our Academy days when we'd make Titan's Turn and end up in a Jager Loop?
And then we'd lash Wesley to a post and "haze" him with Klingon pain sticks. Good times.

Yeah, I'll definitely check those Tactics out when they hit retail. I'll take any new ones from that list and any that might be JL-sized. Saber and Razor for sure. Neg'var looks good, too. DW says it's a new variant after all and is different than the MM.
Wonder if the Excelsior will have the secondary hull you like this time. You always forget the Ertl Excelsior, BTW.
I just hope the production paint is close to the protos/samples and that they're not too shrimpy.

Agreed, the NYCC Defiant is NOT worth the money except as a collectible: it is rarity alone that compelled me to nab one. It would've haunted me if I hadn't. I usually pass on such things (WLs etc) unless they're dirt cheap but I have a soft spot for Hallmark. The first ships I ever collected were Hallmark so I let myself get hosed this time. Still, it looks like they're $100+ again so I think I did ok.
My camera is even more of a joke in low light but here's a few attempts anyway. It amazes me that nobody's done glow-in-the-dark paint before... looks cool on the shelf, IMO. I wish they all glowed now.

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/760/hallmarkdefiant2011s.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9264/hallmarkdefiant2011c.jpg