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clone157
05-04-2009, 10:47 PM
I have a question to pose to all of you, my friends. What are the best small scale versions of the vehicles of Star Trek? I love the Furutas, but the Konamis are pretty cool, too. Then you've got the F-toys, which have the NX-01. As someone looking to start out making a new collection, but only of the best, which ones would you guys get and why?

Darth Duranium
05-05-2009, 05:20 AM
MM has the largest variety but they're small and resin. Hallmark and Corgi have nice paint, as do some JLs. Some new F-Toys and Konami ships are very nice, too. Furuta has unique ships not done by anyone else...

It's really hard to choose because each line has some standouts, IMO.:cross-eye

Do you want diecast? Do you want lights? How big, exactly? Are you looking for individual ships and just want the best of the best?

Sorry, terrible pic. No Corgis or Ertls in it but many from the other lines are in there. I posted some close-up comparison pics a while back... could dig the link up again, if you want.

Darth Windu
05-05-2009, 08:03 AM
Well in my collection, I have all of the Furuta's including the limited light-up Borg Cube and Borg Sphere. They're great, except for the third series which has very dodgy renditions of the Excelsior and Enterprise-A. The Defiant has some odd paint apps which are easily fixed, but honestly I don't like the Enterprise-D - it lacks a lot I think. Others like Voyager, the Prometheus and the Equinox are very nice.

The Konami's are nice, BUT they are made from VERY soft plastic as opposed to the very hard plastic of the Furuta's. Having said that, the sculpt and detailing on the Konami Enterprise-E are VERY good, better than Furuta with them both being about the same size. The Konami Klingon Battle Cruiser is also extremely well detailed.

The Romando's I only have one of - the Enterprise-E, and it is a SUPERB model especially if you want a good, detailed Micro Machines sized ship. It also splits in two which is a nice little feature.

As to the F-Toys, I only have the Defiant and have just purchased the Enterprise-D. The Defiant is quite small compared to the Furuta version, but the detailing and paintwork is much better, on par with the huge AMT model of the Defiant. Yes, it is that good. Plus you get a 'cloaked' Defiant too. The Enterprise-D looks good in pics, but I'll see when I get it.

Finally of course there are the Micro Machines. Very small, but awesome. The Defiant and Enterprise-E are terrible in terms of accurate sculpt and paint, but hey. It has by far the largest range and they are very nice and quite resilient. Not as good as the Furuta's and Konami's as display pieces though.

Blue2th
05-05-2009, 08:24 AM
That's a tough question. Like DT said it depends on which particular ship.
You have to look at each one individually because some are better than others in each line.
Some of my top picks would be:

Johnny Lightning Enterprise Refit (it's hard to top this one anywhere IMO)
Johnny Lightning Enterprise D (the detail and size is way better than Furuta w/ see through engine nacelles, separating saucer, hard to top IMO)
Johnny Lightning Reliant (better than Furuta)
F-Toys NX-01 (more detail than the JL)

I don't have any Konami ST yet, but from close up picks, the Furuta Ent B looks better. Though Konami's Klingon Cruiser looks more detailed than JL's
It's hard to top Furuta's diversity of selection for obscurity, and ships you just can't get anywhere else.

I look at close up pics as much as I can. DT's got some comparison pics in the "Star Trek Figures" thread I think.

Darth Windu
05-05-2009, 10:16 AM
Oh yeah, forgot about JL's. I only have a JL Enterprise NX-01 simply because they were the only ones who made one at the time. It's nice, functional. I haven't gotten any of the others though simply because distribution of the JL's was non-existent in Australia, and pricing from overseas was a killer.

Blue2th
05-05-2009, 10:52 AM
That's a shame about no JL in Australia. My brother mentioned something about not finding any JL cars there when he went to see my Aunt.
Looks like JL may be on the skids, as they are not being carried in the retail stores here anymore.

Looks like JL lost out to Hot Wheels on the Star Trek ship franchise. If anyone buries the ship line It'll be HW. The new ships are pathetic. A kids toy approach.


I don't have any yet, but the F-Toys are looking pretty damn good.
I saw a close up pic of the NX-01, and it is amazing. It even has azteking detail. The chase ship "Mirror Darkly" NX-01 looks to be hard to get though.

Darth Duranium
05-05-2009, 04:57 PM
There's some recent comparison pics in this thread... I could easily take more if anyone needs to see other ships.

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=39984&highlight=academy+quiz

I'm finishing off a custom USS Dauntless and USS Relativity in this scale, built from garage kits. Just have to put the decals on and they're done.

I haven't seen the HW ones in person but the reviews have been almost universally hostile... what a drag, but not unexpected. I just might skip that new Ent until the Hallmark comes out next year.

The F-Toys are nice... their 1701 and NX are my favourites over the others, apart from Hallmark. Hallmark is pricier, but worth it, IMO.

Some nice aztecing on some of the JLs... I hated their torpedo thingeys hanging out, though. Scalpel required. Their D and Future D are very nice... and I like their Voyagers. JL also does a white and a Mirror Darkly NX... I like 'em.

The Konami 1701 refit's very good too... I give it a slight edge over the JL, but the Hallmark smokes 'em both, IMHO. Furuta's paint sucks on this one.

In the Klingon department, Furuta's Battlecruiser and Konami's TMP cruiser are fantastic standouts... and Hallmark's coming out with one this year ... pic below and 360 view at http://www.hallmark.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product%7C10001%7C10051%7C940933%7C215589;221071;2 21110%7Cnull%7CP1R4SO%7Cstores

But it's all down to personal taste, ultimately. I notice that some dudes focus on paint or shuttlebays or phasers or rollbars or stands... each to their own fetish!lol

Blue2th
05-05-2009, 05:26 PM
I forgot about the Quiz thread. :) I never did see any of the Refits and A's in there. If I was Quiz Boy I'd be missing my hand for my guessing.
How is the size compare of the Hallmark Refit to the others? I'm missing it.

The Hallmark Klingon Cruiser looks awesome btw!

I got the F-Toys NX-01 confused with the smaller Konami which has jeweled engines right?.. that's cool, and azteking, which the F-Toys doesn't much.

The details and plating panels on the F-Toys NX-01 are sharper than the rest, even the little grates near the nose, and it's closer to the JL size.

JediTricks
05-05-2009, 05:48 PM
I wish I had a good answer. I was impressed with Furuta, but not everything they did was as good as the Ent-E, for example. I was really underwhelmed by JL, and I never got into the others. Corgi's latest efforts were my favorite, the KBOP is damned near perfect and has wonderful paint, but the line was not priced to survive.

clone157
05-05-2009, 09:58 PM
Thanx for the input guys. I have all of the MM line, but they are on the small side. The HW ones have good sculpts, but yes, the paint jobs do leave a lot to be desired. HW size is the biggest I want to go. On the JL's, are the blast effects removeable? Most look good but are hard to find and don't have the amount of different sculpts I'm looking for. Furutas are great, but if there is a better, more realistic paint job, I'm all about that.

clone157
05-05-2009, 10:05 PM
Can someone do pop quizzes or head to heads for the Ent-D, E, or any others?

Darth Duranium
05-05-2009, 10:57 PM
Awright... by special request, here's the 1701 refit and 1701A.

Name that ship!

The last 2 pics are comparisons of the JL and Hallmark 1701-A's for Blue. Y'know Blue, that particular JL is pretty frickin' nice.

No worries, Clone... you're probably gonna get hooked buying sculpts from all of the lines, if you want the best of the best, and lots of different ships. No way around it...

I'll do another ship soon... what do you want to see first?

Blue2th
05-05-2009, 11:32 PM
Thanks DT.
Not too good on the last quiz, but let's give this a crack

#1 - JL Enterprise A, This one would have been my top choice if I didn't have to do surgery on the phaser effects and scar the torpedo ports. The azeking with the pearl paint and details are outstanding.
#2 ? Is that the Furuta? I seem to remember the awful green paint on the fuselage. I put mine away it was so underwhelming.
#3 ?
#4 - Hallmark Enterprise A, because of the lights and magic, I have to get this, though the details are not really if that much better than the JL, but the features make up for it and I have all the other ST ship Hallmarks (well except 1991)
#5 JL Refit, this is the one I chose. Everything just looks right, minus the azteking though.
#6 JL Refit Battle Damage
#7 JL Destruction of the Refit- Search for Spock
#8 Is this the Konami? or F-Toys? I don't know DT, the details look a little better on the JL IMO, the deflector dish area is quite different.
#9 ?

Darth Duranium
05-06-2009, 03:19 PM
Close... very close, Blue. #3 and #9 are the Konamis and #8 is the F-Toys one. That's definitely a passing grade, considering the crap pics.:thumbsup:

The F-Toy's paint isn't as nice as the azteced JL, but the sculpt (especially the deflector section) is so much better... it just totally stands out on the shelf... it just looks right.
I'll take a better pic to show what I mean...

OK, I took a few pics of the Enterprise E's... see if you guys can tell which one's which from the (crap) pics... yeah, I know, I was too lazy take 'em down off the top shelf this time...:pleased:

JediTricks
05-06-2009, 03:22 PM
#3 from the left is the Furuta one. That's all I got.

Blue2th
05-06-2009, 04:45 PM
Where's the silver ring around the deflector dish on the F-Toys though. Ok if you say so I dunno.

The E's the Furuta is all I have besides the Hallmark one. Still pretty good. Actually none of them looks too bad.

I'm particularly interested in #1 because it's large. I'm hoping it's not a Romando. Those are getting scarce at least on ebay.

I need to dig out my Hallmark one. It's prolly the biggest. Unless that's #1 there? aarg your hidin' the hook?

The other two, one is Romando, but which I don't know.

Darth Duranium
05-06-2009, 07:13 PM
Ok if you say so I dunno.

This debate's easy to settle: one's the 1701 refit (F-Toys) and the other's the 1701-A (JL) so both can be best:).

I'd like to see JL's paint on F-Toy's sculpts... now that would be perfect.

I just remembered that the Konami 1701 refit and A both have 3 torpedo launchers painted above the deflector... overkill... where as F-Toys and Furuta didn't bother painting any at all.:upset:

JL's paint often beats many of others', except for the Nacho Dip Ent-D and the Marmalade Stain Majestic. I'm not overly thrilled with the JL Semi-Toasty or Toasty Enterprise refits... or any of the clear "cloaked" ships.

JL's paint makes Mattel look like complete amateurs... I hope the Karaoke Cruiser Ent's paint is stomachable...

OK, the Ent-E...

#1 Hallmark - Aarg was right! I bought a spare really cheaply from eBay, removed the wires and hook... still the best of the bunch... even without lights, IMO

#2 Romando - this is the smallest, not much bigger than MM as DW pointed out. This one and its darker buddy (not shown here) both can do a saucer separation.

#3 Furuta - once very rare, now not so much since someone started to bootleg recast that particular Furuta set overseas... they must have gotten the moulds because the bootlegs are very close to the original set.

#4 Konami - similar in size to #3 but a little more streamlined... nice, too

Old but better pics are at the bottom of the page (starting at POST 837) here: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=12792&highlight=big&page=84

Saw some of your old pics in there, too Blue! Nice...

Here's the Galaxy-class ships, also by request, also photographed half-assedly....:thumbsup:

I've got more D's but these are most of them at this scale...

clone157
05-10-2009, 07:01 PM
Visually, what is the difference between the Ent-1701 refit and the Ent -A?

clone157
05-10-2009, 07:03 PM
That remondo Dark-E is awesome. I've gotta find one of those.

Darth Duranium
05-10-2009, 07:50 PM
Visually, what is the difference between the Ent-1701 refit and the Ent -A?

If you asked Konami that question, the difference is a dash and an "A".

They're extremely similar in that they're both refit Constitution class. In the studio models, there are some small differences in the impulse dome, bridge, markings, colour... but those differences don't usually translate to the mini models very much. For instance, the JL 1701-A had aztecing, whereas their 1701 refits didn't.

I came across a dude who does some amazing models:

http://www.strangestuffstudio.com/STARSHIPS.html

Dang! (as JT would say), check out those shuttle bays.:thumbsup:

Wow-wow-we-wah-wah! (as Borat would say). Nice.

Go figure, the Romandos are the hardest small Trek ships to get these days, I'm told. All the same, good hunting, clone157.

Darth Windu
05-11-2009, 01:29 AM
Really? Didn't think the Romando's would be that hard to get. They are great little models though, I do very much enjoy my Enterprise-E although it (and lets be honest, most small vehicles/ships that I buy) required some re-painting on my behalf :D

JediTricks
05-11-2009, 07:51 PM
If you asked Konami that question, the difference is a dash and an "A".

They're extremely similar in that they're both refit Constitution class. In the studio models, there are some small differences in the impulse dome, bridge, markings, colour... but those differences don't usually translate to the mini models very much. For instance, the JL 1701-A had aztecing, whereas their 1701 refits didn't.For the exeteriors starting with ST 4, there is zero difference, the model for TMP was repainted to have the new registry, the shots of the ship warping out at the end is reused from TMP without alteration. Close-ups in ST5 of the shuttlebay are new, and I think they had a few new pieces for other shots. ST6 had more changes as they went back to ILM for the effects work after the sloppy ST5 effects, and they repainted the original TMP prop further, and I believe used a CGI model as well.


I came across a dude who does some amazing models:

http://www.strangestuffstudio.com/STARSHIPS.html

Dang! (as JT would say), check out those shuttle bays.:thumbsup:You are not kidding, that is amazing work. I would probably be a satiated ST collector if I owned that Enterprise setup.

JonCrites
05-13-2009, 03:02 PM
MM has the largest variety but they're small and resin. Hallmark and Corgi have nice paint, as do some JLs. Some new F-Toys and Konami ships are very nice, too. Furuta has unique ships not done by anyone else...

It's really hard to choose because each line has some standouts, IMO.:cross-eye

Do you want diecast? Do you want lights? How big, exactly? Are you looking for individual ships and just want the best of the best?

Sorry, terrible pic. No Corgis or Ertls in it but many from the other lines are in there. I posted some close-up comparison pics a while back... could dig the link up again, if you want.
Hi! I saw Star Trek this weekend and it was the first bit of ST I had watched in probably 5+ years. As a kid I liked the movies and can remember playing with a Micro Machine of the Enterprise at a friends house. Now that I am older, I thought it would be cool to go on the net to try and find some small scale Star Trek models. Which is how I ended up here!
Your pics of your huge collection are pretty awesome but that is way more than I want or need (at least for now!). I was hoping I could get the forum's expert advice on what the best way to get a full set of the various Enterprise iterations. Just using google and ebay there is so many to choose from that I want to choose right. The criteria is that I want the them look good in their detail and sculpt but also have a relative scale to each other. For example, I don't want Enterprise-A bigger than the my Enterprise-E. I am more than willing to cross-polinate between lines to get the best scaled set.

This is what I need (feel free to suggest brands or anything I may be leaving out):

Enterprise (Original Series version, how do y'all designate it?)
Enterprise Refit (Is this the -A?)
Enterprise-B
Enterprise-C
Enterprise-D
Enterprise-E

If y'all could help me out with some intel that would be great! :thumbsup:

clone157
05-13-2009, 03:06 PM
DT, been drooling over your collection, but got a few questions. What is that wonderful ds-9 on the top row of your collection? Hey, can we get pics of the Romulan Warbirds? How many different types of klingon ships have you got?

Darth Duranium
05-14-2009, 03:06 AM
If y'all could help me out with some intel that would be great! :thumbsup:

Hey Jon and welcome to the forum. Yep, ST:XI was outstanding.
Well, it's hard to choose but if I had to pick 1 of each Enterprise according to your scale criteria:

BTW, I don't know what we're gonna do for a JL-sized "new" Enterprise cuz the HW one is too damn big. And still no Enterprise 1701-J.

Enterprise NX - F-Toys
ISS Enterprise NX - F-Toys
Enterprise 1701 - F-Toys
Enterprise Refit - F-Toys
Enterprise-A - Johnny Lightning
Enterprise-B - Konami
Enterprise-C - Furuta
Enterprise-D - Johnny Lightning
Future Enterprise-D - Johnny Lightning
Enterprise-E - Furuta

I didn't include Hallmark because they're slightly larger... but all of their ships are top notch. IMO, Hallmark's 1701-E is the best E overall but requires surgery to put it on a stand. The Hot Wheels and Corgis are too big for this scale.

Clone, thanks for the drool (I think!) Depending on which pic you're talking about, I'd guess you're talking about the grey Hallmark DS9. It's got 2 different sets of Hallmark miniships hanging on it (1701, EntD, Voyager, BoP, EntE, Defiant) and there's a few Romandos and MMs docking. The small dark grey DS9 on its own is Furuta. If you mean the huge white DS9 from the old pics (links), then it's the Romando DS9.

In the Klingon department (next to Housewares and Appliances), I've got a few on the shelf:

3 Johnny Lightning TOS Klingon Battlecruisers - 1 reg, 1 exploding, 1 Romulan markings
1 Konami TMP Klingon Battlecruiser - so detailed, so nice. It'll look good with the upcoming Hallmark one
1 Furuta Klingon Attack Cruiser - TNG era
1 Romando ST:VI Chancellor's Klingon Battlecruiser - smaller
1 Furuta BoP
1 Romando BoP
1 Ertl BoP

I have more Klingon ships (Strike Force, Innerspace, Ertl, Hallmark, Maquettes, MMs, Corgi, etc.) but they're not displayed at the moment.

Not many Romulan ships:
1 Hallmark Warbird
1 Furuta Warbird
1 Johnny Lightning Bird Of Prey
1 painted model Bird Of Prey (from adversary 3 pc set)
1 MM Scout Ship

I have a few more Romulan ships (MMs, Innerspace) but they're in a box, too.

I'll try to take a few pics over the weekend, if you want.

Darth Windu
05-14-2009, 05:52 AM
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with DT about the best Enterprise-E - go with Konami, not Furuta. They're both good, but the detailing, especially with markings, on the Konami is far superior. It also has the distinction of being one of the very few Enterprise-E's to actually have the phaser strips painted on.

On another note I received my F-toys Enterprise-D today, very happy with it overall. Could have used some extra detailing, but a massive improvement on the Furuta version.

JonCrites
05-14-2009, 08:33 AM
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with DT about the best Enterprise-E - go with Konami, not Furuta. They're both good, but the detailing, especially with markings, on the Konami is far superior. It also has the distinction of being one of the very few Enterprise-E's to actually have the phaser strips painted on.

On another note I received my F-toys Enterprise-D today, very happy with it overall. Could have used some extra detailing, but a massive improvement on the Furuta version.

I was hoping to get a close to scale set, so in terms of size which is more clase to scale with the other models listed above, the Furuta or Konami?

DT, this a trek noob question but is there a difference between the enterprise refit and enterprise-a?

Darth Windu
05-14-2009, 08:57 AM
Well in terms of size, the Konami is very slightly larger. Scale is harder though. None of them are to scale with each other simply because some of them, like the Enterprise-D and -E are far, far larger than others, especially the Defiant.

For example - the Furuta Defiant is roughly to scale with the big electronic playmates Ent-D and the Art Asylum Ent-E. That's why these ships are made to a common size instead of a common scale.

As for the Ent Refit vs Ent-A - essentially they're the same with the exception that one has 'NCC-1701' and the other has 'NCC-1701-A'. Apparently there are some minor differences, but nothing you'd notice on models the size of the Furuta's etc. Oh as a word of warning though, do NOT get the Furuta Ent Refit. The Ent-A is fine, but for the wave in which the Ent Refit appeared they changed the scale for some reason. Instead of being the same size as the other Furuta's, it's actually about the size of a Micro Machine.

JonCrites
05-14-2009, 09:38 AM
Well in terms of size, the Konami is very slightly larger. Scale is harder though. None of them are to scale with each other simply because some of them, like the Enterprise-D and -E are far, far larger than others, especially the Defiant.

For example - the Furuta Defiant is roughly to scale with the big electronic playmates Ent-D and the Art Asylum Ent-E. That's why these ships are made to a common size instead of a common scale.

As for the Ent Refit vs Ent-A - essentially they're the same with the exception that one has 'NCC-1701' and the other has 'NCC-1701-A'. Apparently there are some minor differences, but nothing you'd notice on models the size of the Furuta's etc. Oh as a word of warning though, do NOT get the Furuta Ent Refit. The Ent-A is fine, but for the wave in which the Ent Refit appeared they changed the scale for some reason. Instead of being the same size as the other Furuta's, it's actually about the size of a Micro Machine.

I see.
Ok, well maybe I will just got with the best set that is all about the same size then and focus on details.

So, is there a difference between the the Original series Enterprise, the 'refit' and the Enterprise-A?

JediTricks
05-14-2009, 06:18 PM
Looking at DT's pics of the Konami next to the Furuta Ent-E, I can't speak firsthand about the Konami but it does look better paint and sculpt.


The TOS (The Original Series) Enterprise is way different from the movie refit, stem to stern. There isn't 1 piece that is the same between them, despite supposedly being the same exact ship. The saucer is a slightly different shape, has totally different details, different engines, different engineering hull, different neck, different warp pylons, different coloring, even different lettering. In terms of big differences, the warp nacelles and pylons are the biggest difference, followed by the neck and its photon torpedo launcher leading to the deflector dish.

Darth Duranium
05-14-2009, 07:00 PM
Jon, if you get the specific ships I mention (or something close), you'll have the nicest individual Enterprises that all look right together as a "set". The ships I mentioned are in a progressive scale: the NX is smallest while the E is biggest.

We have differing opinions because we all focus on different details (e.g. DW likes his phasers, I like deflector dishes:D). We do all seem to agree on most of the Enterprises, though.

Simply put, the original 1701 is from TV while the other 2 are from the movies and those 2 look quite different. The Refit and A are very similar to each other at this scale, as the pics above show, but they're actually different ships from different movies. Does that clear it up?

DW and JT, it's funny that you'd single out the E... I had the toughest time deciding between the Konami and the Furuta because they're so very similar in size and paint. I think the colour and paint's just slightly better on the Furuta, (the Konami's blue) but that's just my take. But noone can top the Hallmark E... it beats all of the others hands-down for paint, detail, and size, IMO.

The only downside to the F-Toys Ent-D is the low stand and the peg placement, IMO. I do like the size and thin profile of the saucer section a lot... looks more accurate (like Corgi's proportions).

Darth Windu
05-14-2009, 09:38 PM
We have differing opinions because we all focus on different details (e.g. DW likes his phasers, I like deflector dishes:D). We do all seem to agree on most of the Enterprises, though.
Don't you find it odd though that the Furuta, Micro Machines, original electronic Playmates, and Romando Enterprise-E's ALL lack phaser strips?? It bothers me, mostly because it's an important feature of the ship, and every other ship has them painted on!


The only downside to the F-Toys Ent-D is the low stand and the peg placement, IMO. I do like the size and thin profile of the saucer section a lot... looks more accurate (like Corgi's proportions).
Yeah I really do like it, but the stand placement is rather odd isn't it? I don't have a Johnny Lightning Ent-D (the only Lightning I have is NX-01) but I saw a Lightning USS Yamato that I might pick up, detail looks very nice.

Darth Duranium
05-15-2009, 12:45 AM
Don't you find it odd...

Yes, I do. It's interesting to see which details are considered important by each manufacturer, too. I guess I concentrate on how the ship looks when I display it facing outward on my shelving unit. That profile's most important to me.


I don't have a Johnny Lightning Ent-D (the only Lightning I have is NX-01) but I saw a Lightning USS Yamato that I might pick up, detail looks very nice.

The Yamato is nice, and JL's 1701-D's paint is similarly unmatched. Considering JL did a Columbia (rare), Majestic, Excalibur, Voyager, Defiant (TOS), Reliant, Galileo I & II, and Columbus Shuttle (rare)... they did ok. By fluke, I got a shuttle that says Columbus on the front and Galileo II on the sides.:)

Weren't you saying they were difficult to get in Oz? They were rare here, too... the last waves especially. But I don't think I paid more than $4 for any of them... and many are still cheap. I only have 1 White Lightning which is the white NX-01 that I picked up in the UK.

Blue2th
05-15-2009, 01:02 AM
Yup, I wonder who's going to make the new Enterprise in the smaller scale huh?
I hope F-Toys, Konami, or Furuta does one soon. I also want that Kelvin!

Excluding the outstanding Hallmark ornaments of course,
my list of Enterprises:

NX-01 - F-Toys
NX-01 Mirror Universe - F-Toys
Enterprise 1701 - JL
1701 Refit - JL
1701 A - JL
Enterpise B - Konami
Enterprise C - Furuta (that's the only one made so far)
Enterprise D - JL
Future Enterprise D - JL
Enterprise E - Furuta

The F-Toys NX-01 is very nice, very detailed, everything looks sharp and right.

I agree with most of DT's list with the exception of the F-Toys 1701 and Refit, and the reason is where the nacelle struts meet the fuselage or main body, there is a square outline of where the parts fit together. It's very noticable, and detracts from the otherwise streamlined look.
I would have to go with the Johnny Lightning 1701 and the JL Refit, primarily for that reason.
The Furuta 1701 is ok but it is larger and out of scale next to the JL Refit, so it doesn't match size as well with the Refit and A, plus the tampos (paint details) aren't as sharp as the JL's.

Enterprise B, I agree, the Konami one looks slightly better. The fuselage is sculpted a little better and truer to the B than the Furuta, plus the little deflector dish is painted on the Konami and not on the Furuta, which still is a good model though, and the only other B.

Enterprise D, I would almost like the F-Toys, but like DT said where the stand fits onto the ship is kinda funky, plus it's hard to beat the JL's.

Enterprise E, I would say that the Konami and Furuta are pretty close, but even though the Konami has the phaser strip, it doesn't have as much detail as the Furuta which has the little triangular outlines for the escape pods painted on top of the saucer section, so it edges out the Konami by a nose.

Darth Duranium
05-15-2009, 01:16 AM
Yup, I wonder who's going to make the new Enterprise in the smaller scale huh?
I hope F-Toys, Konami, or Furuta does one soon. I also want that Kelvin!
I bought the Burger King toys so I can kitbash something together, if necessary. Sad, huh?


I agree with most of DT's list with the exception of the F-Toys 1701 and Refit, and the reason is where the nacelle struts meet the fuselage or main body, there is a square outline of where the parts fit together. It's very noticable, and detracts from the otherwise streamlined look.
I would have to go with the Johnny Lightning 1701 and the JL Refit, primarily for that reason.

You're right about the struts on the FT, but the crappy deflector dish on JL's 1701 puts it out of contention for me. The same is true for JL's refit (with no aztecing) though the paint detail's better overall on the JL. Tough call.

Blue2th
05-15-2009, 01:30 AM
Yes, and the Furuta 1701's dish is about the same. Sticks out there more than it should.

I guess it might be because I have the JL 1701 in a White Lightning, and it looks better than the grey one.

I need to get a pic up somehow. Not too savy on it, cause for some reason, it got harder for me to do here at SSG than it was before.
Technical difficulties. :rolleyes:

Blue2th
05-15-2009, 02:02 PM
After a closer look, I'm pulling the JL 1701 off my list. The deflector dish is sad looking like DT said, and no jewels on the nacelles, more like red primer.

Anyways here's some crappy pics of the 1701 White Lightning: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20300&d=1242414029http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20301&d=1242414054

Blue2th
05-15-2009, 02:15 PM
Double post:

"Ahh Kirk, the game's a foot."


The JL Enterprise A, Furuta B, and the Corgi Bird of Prey.

Blue2th
05-15-2009, 04:00 PM
Here's some more pics I took a while ago of the Johnny L Enterprise D, Future Enterprise, and all the rest are Furuta's :

clone157
05-15-2009, 07:14 PM
Does that saucer section on the JL future ent separate?

Darth Windu
05-16-2009, 02:49 AM
Enterprise E, I would say that the Konami and Furuta are pretty close, but even though the Konami has the phaser strip, it doesn't have as much detail as the Furuta which has the little triangular outlines for the escape pods painted on top of the saucer section, so it edges out the Konami by a nose.
Actually the Konami DOES have the triangle outlines for the escape pods :-p

Blue2th
05-16-2009, 05:10 AM
Does that saucer section on the JL future ent separate?

Yes it does. I had to check myself.


DW, I'm seeing the indentations for the escape pods, which the Furuta has also just like the Konami E, but I'm not seeing them outlined in paint like on the Furuta E.

JediTricks
05-16-2009, 06:29 PM
DW and JT, it's funny that you'd single out the E... I had the toughest time deciding between the Konami and the Furuta because they're so very similar in size and paint. I think the colour and paint's just slightly better on the Furuta, (the Konami's blue) but that's just my take. To me, the Konami's fit and finish are a little better in the pics. Sharper details, less of a cop-out on the deflector, and tighter lines. It's close, don't get me wrong, but the Furuta's got its own issues that are somewhat addressed in what I'm seeing of the Konami.


I agree with most of DT's list with the exception of the F-Toys 1701 and Refit, and the reason is where the nacelle struts meet the fuselage or main body, there is a square outline of where the parts fit together. It's very noticable, and detracts from the otherwise streamlined look.
I would have to go with the Johnny Lightning 1701 and the JL Refit, primarily for that reason. I don't care for the JL Refit all that much, I don't have any of the others though. But the JL TMP design has the top half of the saucer all wrong in profile, the taper's off or something, it's too fat, and the white looks cheap on it.

Darth Duranium
05-18-2009, 12:09 AM
I'm unmoved by cries for clemency... I still still stand by my list!

F-Toys do the first 3 Ents better than anybody.

And the Furuta 1701-E still gets my nod over the Konami... it's a white base, unlike all the others, and it has more detailed and higher contrast paint. The blue-grey Konami's paint is too subtle and tends to blend together, IMHO.

The top of Konami's saucer section doesn't get the paint anywhere close to right, but its warp nacelles and secondary hull are better moulds than Furuta's. It's not enough to compensate for the overall paint.

You could argue that the Furuta looks more like the First Contact Ent and the Konami looks more like the Nemesis Ent.

Darth Windu
05-18-2009, 04:27 AM
I'd agree with the First Contact/Nemesis thing. The Furuta's white base is indeed better, and the harder plastic is far better as well. On the other hand the Konami has better detailing (the warp nacelles in particular) and the decal details are superb, far better than Furuta.

They're both good, it all just depends on what details are more important to each person, such as PHASER STRIPS! :D

Blue2th
05-18-2009, 10:09 AM
I'd agree with the First Contact/Nemesis thing. The Furuta's white base is indeed better, and the harder plastic is far better as well. On the other hand the Konami has better detailing (the warp nacelles in particular) and the decal details are superb, far better than Furuta.

They're both good, it all just depends on what details are more important to each person, such as PHASER STRIPS! :D

Yes, and some of us are just going by pictures we see from DT. To get a really objective opinion I would have to have all of these. Working on it.
There are some high-rez pics on ebay that help form somewhat of an opinion, but there again not every angle is covered.

But hey, It gives us something to talk about huh? Gots to keep the Titanium-small ship contingent of SSG alive and kicking! :thumbsup:

Darth Windu
05-18-2009, 10:37 AM
True enough. To give an indication of the detailing on the Konami though, I'll give an example. On the engineering section just after the deflector dish on both sides of the hull, there are the classic starfleet 'decals' of the red lines with the yellow arrow.

In between the two red lines, if you use a magnifying glass you can actually see that it has, in readable writing, "Starship USS Enterprise - United Federation of Planets". How's that for impressive :)

Darth Duranium
05-21-2009, 02:48 AM
To get a really objective opinion I would have to have all of these.

It's the only way to be sure! (Zombie voice) Must buy everything.... consume, consume...
Hopefully, we'll see an F-Toys Enterprise E this year... and who knows, maybe a new Karaoke Cruiser Ent and an Ent C. Konami's line may continue, too. No official word from JL.
We'll have to watch the CJ pics again this year to see what's up with the candy toys.

Sadly, I haven't seen the HW ships in person yet...:upset:


I'd agree with the First Contact/Nemesis thing

I have to retract that statement, DW:cross-eye. I just saw Nemesis on TV tonight... gotta say that I think the Furuta looks more like that Ent E, too. If Konami had gotten the base colour right, it might be a different story. Best scenario would be the Konami mould with Furuta's paint on it.

Blue2th
05-21-2009, 05:23 AM
Sadly, I haven't seen the HW ships in person yet...:upset:





You're not missing much there DT. They really are sad looking in comparison to the smaller ships we have.
My guess is the Karaoke Ent. will be released later because they don't want it competing with the Playmates one. I saw a Bird of Prey on the box, so that'll be coming too.

Darth Windu
05-21-2009, 05:48 AM
Karaoke Ent??

Oh just as an aside, I mentioned to you folks I was looking at buying a JL USS Yamto. Still thinking about it, BUT there was a JL set (series 3 I think) which had the

- future Ent-D
- White Lightning Borg Cube
- Ent-D
- USS Voyager
...and two others, I forget what they are.

Anyway it went for just under $95 USD! Crazy!

Blue2th
05-21-2009, 06:18 AM
Didn't you see that scene in the movie where they were singing karaoke with microphones shaped like the Enterprise nacelles? ;)

Yeah, wave 3 was extremely hard to get in the states. For some reason they shipped them all to Europe. Probably because interest was waning. But that was the best wave. :mad:

I had to get them piecemeal from different sellers in England. It wasn't cheap.
I did order a Borg cube from a guy, and he sent me the green White Lightning one instead. I didn't complain.

My guess is that $95 price had something to do with that one, though the Voyager without it's legs has always been pricey.

I still don't have the Yamato or any of that wave yet. Been putting it off.

Darth Windu
05-21-2009, 07:48 AM
There's a few of the whole Yamato wave on eBay, reasonably priced too.

I know what you mean with Voyager though, that's the only one I've seen on eBay - mind you, that auction was also the only one I've seen for the Ent-D and future Ent-D as well, which probably explains the price.

With the movie no I've honestly never noticed that. Is this in the new movie or what? If so, haven't seen it yet which would explain my lack of knowledge. :)

Darth Duranium
05-21-2009, 08:14 AM
Blue's winding you up a wee bit, DW.:yes: The "Karaoke Cruiser" Enterprise is the nickname we gave the new Ent a few months ago, 'cuz the warp nacelles look a bit like cheesy karaoke microphones from Taiwan.:cross-eye

I was looking for a Woit Loitnin' JL 1701 for a very long time, but I never found one cheap (that's key). When the F-Toys one came out, the search ended. The WL 1701 is indeed much nicer than the regular grey one... I'd rank it right behind the F-Toys as a close second. But, as we were saying before, the newer Hallmark 1701 smokes 'em all hands-down... it's almost faultless.

Nice score on the green WL Borg cube, Blue! Quite rare... this is one I considered (saw it for $15-20 a few times) but I already have 9 different Borg cubes on the Titanium shelf... so I passed, in the end.

I would still like a JL Columbia NX-02 and a WL Ent-D, just to have them. I do try to avoid collector traps (i.e. gold Titaniums, WLs, "special chase ships", etc) whenever possible, unless I can get 'em for peanuts.

Darth Windu
05-21-2009, 09:01 AM
Blue's winding you up a wee bit, DW.:yes: The "Karaoke Cruiser" Enterprise is the nickname we gave the new Ent a few months ago, 'cuz the warp nacelles look a bit like cheesy karaoke microphones from Taiwan.:cross-eye
Damn you Blue! You do of course realise, this means war! :P


I would still like a JL Columbia NX-02 and a WL Ent-D, just to have them. I do try to avoid collector traps (i.e. gold Titaniums, WLs, "special chase ships", etc) whenever possible, unless I can get 'em for peanuts.
Yeah same, unless I can get them in a set. The Furuta's for example I bought as full sets, so the chase ship came with them, except for the Volume 3 set where I had to get the chase seperate.

The Gold Titaniums honestly never interested me - if it's not screen accurate, I'm not interested. I am a little baffled though DT as to why JL didn't do a Columbia or say instead of the Yamato, a USS Galaxy or USS Venture instead. Meh, go figure.

Blue2th
05-21-2009, 09:55 AM
Damn you Blue! You do of course realise, this means war! :P




Har har! :bandit: Phhhhoton torpeeeeedos awwwwway! lol

I would like to get one of those WL Enterprise D's in grey, just because they're such an oddity.

Blue2th
05-21-2009, 11:40 AM
I was going say DW, we come up with all kinds of things for the Star Trek ships..
Someone came up with the "Nacho Enterprise" that's the JL Enterprise D from Generations with the cheese dip paint on on the saucer. lol
The plastic explosions on the later JL ships is "Marmalade" or Marmalade Cruiser for the Majestic when it first came out. There's some others.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-21-2009, 12:25 PM
Greetings (a la Data) to all,

I'm a 50-year-old long-time semi-trekkie, married w/ 2 children 13 and 11, who is experiencing a renewed enthusiasm for Star Trek, admittedly largely due to the latest movie—that I thought was the best of the theatricals to date. I thought the actors were phenomenal, though the plot itself seemed almost secondary to the larger-than-life character portrayals.

I have to say that I'm not a full trekkie, though: I enjoyed the first handful of movies that came out, though I am sort of ashamed to admit that I've not seen any since "The Final Frontier" with the exception of "First Contact," which I thought was pretty good.

As far as the TV series, I loved the original of course (at the tender age of 10-11 I used to watch the premiere episodes every Friday night [10 pm?]). I also enjoyed the long-lived "The Next Generation," for the most part—although I kind of lost interest in it and I'm sure there must be episodes that I have not seen. (I sure don't care for Q and the Woopi characters however, not to mention the Ferengi who are just too ridiculous!) I *really* like "Enterprise," and not just because of T'pol! She's almost a distraction—but I'm not complaining! I have not watched any of the remaining series.

Anyway, that pretty much outlines who I am relative to the federation universe. Thanks for the soap box!

I've enjoyed reading through all the posts here about the small scale ships, and decided to join. I hope to be posting more soon in regards to the miniature fleet that is part of my renewed ST interest.

Engage...

JediTricks
05-21-2009, 06:45 PM
And the Furuta 1701-E still gets my nod over the Konami... it's a white base, unlike all the others, and it has more detailed and higher contrast paint. The blue-grey Konami's paint is too subtle and tends to blend together, IMHO. I don't like the stark contrast on the AA/DST paint, it's a bit much, so that aspect isn't a negative to me on the Konami, via pics anyway. The Furuta is more subtle than the AA/DST paint though.


You could argue that the Furuta looks more like the First Contact Ent and the Konami looks more like the Nemesis Ent.I dunno, the Furuta coloring is more like Nemesis where there's the contrast, the FC version is more all over gray with less contrast:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/File:USS_Enterprise-E_in_nebula.jpg
There's a shape difference between the films too, with Nemesis the nacelles are set a little wider and higher.

Darth Duranium
05-21-2009, 08:03 PM
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the Furuta vs Konami 1701-E debate.:D Now we 're about to have a Nemesis vs FC 1701-E debate... can't we just all get along (and always, always agree with me)?:D

Are we gonna have to enforce a peace treaty between DW and Blue? Say it ain't so. Maybe we could have a Karaoke contest to the death in the Thunderdome.:ninja:

DW, JL did do an NX Columbia as a WL, though I haven't seen many. I would love more Galaxy-class ships, too. A USS Challenger would have been nice...

I found a few more pics of the Konami on eBay, just to stir the pot one last time. Isn't that special? There's more comparison pics here:

http://www.sirstevesguide.com/forums/showpost.php?p=615479&postcount=1030

BTW, welcome to the forum, Spectre. We'll have to straighten you out about liking "Enterprise" so much, but otherwise you seem quite sensible and well-adjusted!:D

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-22-2009, 11:57 AM
Thanks for the welcome, Darth!

Been doing a lot of looking online the past few days at the various companies and models and looking at the very useful pics you've posted here, as well. I'm not sure how far to go purchasing a whole fleet of starships but for now based on your recommends I've purchased my 1st ship on Ebay (haven't got it yet), the F-toys NX-01. Will soon follow w/ the 1701 and the refit from F-toys. I was considering the JL 1701 but that deflector on Viagra looks awful!

Q: What's the diff between the 1701-A and the refit? is it one and the same?

BTW, what's everybody got against the Enterprise series? Be nice...

Darth Duranium
05-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Will soon follow w/ the 1701 and the refit from F-toys. I was considering the JL 1701 but that deflector on Viagra looks awful!

Q: What's the diff between the 1701-A and the refit? is it one and the same?

BTW, what's everybody got against the Enterprise series? Be nice...

I think you'll be quite pleased with the F-Toys... they're nice! If it wasn't for the weird deflector, the White Lightning JL 1701 would be tops.

Go back in this thread for info re: 1701 refit vs 1701-A. We blathered on about it a few pages back... they're actually different ships from different flicks.

Can't speak for anyone else about Enterprise, but I found it to be the runt of the Trek litter. I wasn't big on DS9 either. There were a few decent episodes of Ent but I generally found the casting, pacing, and recycled storylines to be, frankly, dull. At least the ships were cool! And I wouldn't mind climbing Mount T'Pol...

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-22-2009, 02:15 PM
By the way, off topic but has anyone noticed that the nacelle end caps are missing from the 1701 model pictured on the cover of Newsweek? :D

Darth Duranium
05-22-2009, 06:32 PM
By the way, off topic but has anyone noticed that the nacelle end caps are missing from the 1701 model pictured on the cover of Newsweek? :D

Looks like the old AMT model of the TOS Ent is missing parts all right. I'm surprised that Newsweek went for the "To Boldly Go" split infinitive on the front page... the grammar of the future, I guess.

Thanks, I'll have to check out the article...

JediTricks
05-22-2009, 06:48 PM
Seeing those comparisons, it still seems like the Konami looks better overall. The sculpt and details seem slightly sharper, although the rear of the engineering hull actually has a significant flaw I hadn't seen before, the way there's a plate for the warp pylons to connect to, that's all wrong. I think that makes it a toss-up, there's a sharpness that the Konami possesses which the Furuta doesn't, each contains some issues, and each portrays the paint in good ways that have stuff missing.

Blue2th
05-22-2009, 06:58 PM
Hello Spectre and welcome!


I got my eyes on the whole set of the Star Trek F-Toys myself. I want the whole set, because there are some good ones in there. Particularly the NX-01 and Mirror NX-01.

BTW: I'm a BIG fan of Enterprise. Sometimes ya just got to ignore the funsuckers when they bash it. To each their own though. Everybody's got an opinion, that's why we're here. :thumbsup:

Darth Duranium
05-22-2009, 07:39 PM
Sometimes ya just got to ignore the funsuckers when they bash it.

Well, he did ask.

Darth Titanium: A Funsucker with Good Taste! :D

Never ignored, often ignorant.

Blue2th
05-22-2009, 07:45 PM
Well, he did ask.

Darth Titanium: A Funsucker with Good Taste! :D

Never ignored, often ignorant.

You know I don't mean it in a mean way DT. :)

Darth Duranium
05-22-2009, 08:07 PM
You know I don't mean it in a mean way DT. :)

Of course dude, no worries... :)

If you're playing at the top of your game like me, you've got to beware of the Anti-Funsucker Squad trying to cut you down to size.:D

Darth Windu
05-22-2009, 11:10 PM
Well, here's the problem I found with 'Enterprise' - they seemed to make it their mission to alienate Star Trek fans. Essentially the show seemed like a big case of 'you thought Kirk, Picard, Sisko, or Janeway did it first? WRONG, it was Archer!'. Alongside the anti-canon crap like Archers fun with the Borg, first contact with the Klingons etc.

The series did get better though, especially when they started calling it 'Star Trek Enterprise'. Some of the storylines were great in the latter seasons, and the whole thing of the creation of the Federation was fantastic, especially seeing how humans, Vulcans, and Andorians got along.

In the end, to me 'Enterprise' is a good sci-fi series, it's just a bad Star Trek series if you understand me. It COULD have been a very good Star Trek series, but it just went awry too many times in terms of stuffing up canon. Oh and the final episode was a disgrace, absolutely terrible. Not the characters or anything, but the writing.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-23-2009, 12:28 AM
Hello Spectre and welcome!


I got my eyes on the whole set of the Star Trek F-Toys myself. I want the whole set, because there are some good ones in there. Particularly the NX-01 and Mirror NX-01.

BTW: I'm a BIG fan of Enterprise. Sometimes ya just got to ignore the funsuckers when they bash it. To each their own though. Everybody's got an opinion, that's why we're here. :thumbsup:

Well, I'm with you on that, Blue—I've enjoyed ENTERPRISE immensely! I've been watching it on SciFi lately and I actually prefer to watch it over THE NEXT GEN.

I'm also considering getting the full set of F-toys. How many pieces in the whole shebang? Do you know of any place online that shows the whole collection?

By the way, I just noticed the Furuta 1701 nacelle supports—they're curved!! I'm sure if I scan previous posts you all probably have mentioned this... but what the heck is up with that!? As far as I'm concerned, that's a major sculptural flaw—even worse that the JL deflector! I don't get it! All I can think of is due to the fact that the overly soft plastic make of the Furutas have the potential to sag these pieces so they just *designed* them to do so to cover the flaw?!

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-23-2009, 01:04 AM
The WL 1701 is indeed much nicer than the regular grey one... I'd rank it right behind the F-Toys as a close second. But, as we were saying before, the newer Hallmark 1701 smokes 'em all hands-down... it's almost faultless.

Are not the nacelles angled really low (and thus too spread apart) on the otherwise near perfect Hallmark 1701s? From what I noticed from pics—and read from someone online—they're pretty much level with the saucer. That's kind of an important flaw, I think. Reminds me of the old AMT model I had built in 1969 when the amount of glue I used to securely join the nacelles to the hull had overwhelmed the integrity of the plastic so that both nacelle and support assemblies sagged considerably—one side more than the other. It was pathetic-looking... and I was heart-broken... :sad:

Darth Windu
05-23-2009, 02:11 AM
The Furuta's are actually made of hard plastic, it's the Konami's that are made of soft plastic.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-23-2009, 10:15 AM
The Furuta's are actually made of hard plastic, it's the Konami's that are made of soft plastic.

Oops, yes you're right! I see your comment now in post #3. I wrongly had them switched in my mind.

Darth Windu
05-23-2009, 10:20 AM
It's easy enough to get confused, what with the numerous manufacturers making the same ships.

With the Furuta 1701 though, it's really not THAT noticable. Okay it's not good, but overall the ship is still nicely done.

JediTricks
05-23-2009, 05:03 PM
IMO, Enterprise's biggest flaws were that the ship was just too advanced for the idea of early spaceflight, Trek canon or no; and the stories were too vanilla and boring, presented as material we had already gone through before in ways we had gone through them before, especially on Voyager.

clone157
05-23-2009, 07:47 PM
IMO, Enterprise's biggest flaws were that the ship was just too advanced for the idea of early spaceflight, Trek canon or no; and the stories were too vanilla and boring, presented as material we had already gone through before in ways we had gone through them before, especially on Voyager.

I skipped V'ger (for the most part, but I still had to watch 7of9 every once in a while :lipsrsealed:) cause I still had a bad taste in my mouth from the early DS9 episodes. So bad that I missed the good stuff toward the end. Enterprise certainly made it so that Paramount had to update TOS. But I agree with SotP, I thought it was better than Next Gen. Grittier and (especially in the pilot) sexier. But I have a new set o' questions fo' you guys. Which is the best Voyager ship, Furuta or JL? What about the Reliant? Did JL ever do an Ent-E? who does the best Defiant? Gentlemen, state your cases!

Blue2th
05-23-2009, 08:54 PM
I like doing this, if I could just get the pics right. Anyways heres some pics of the Furuta and JL Voyager:

Blue2th
05-23-2009, 08:55 PM
Here's some rear views:

Blue2th
05-23-2009, 09:06 PM
Here's one of the Furuta Defiant. I don't have the F-Toys one. DT might have it.
Also the Voyager with the Equinox for fun:

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-24-2009, 12:57 AM
Here's some rear views:

Man, oh man, this Voyager ship is one ugly mother _______! Particularly the rear view... looks like some kind of water-bug or a mutant swamp frog spread-eagled and ready to be dissected. Just one man's opinion, of course. I never watched Voyager and I don't think I intend to have this thing on my shelf (or even near the pond in back of my house). lol

Darth Windu
05-24-2009, 03:23 AM
I skipped V'ger (for the most part, but I still had to watch 7of9 every once in a while :lipsrsealed:) cause I still had a bad taste in my mouth from the early DS9 episodes. So bad that I missed the good stuff toward the end.
DS9 is awesome! You want gritty, then you go for DS9. Some of the episodes are quite dark and a lot of them explore the darker side of morality, and what people are willing to do in order to achieve their ends. Anyway, moving on to your questions...


Which is the best Voyager ship, Furuta or JL?
I only have the Furuta, so can't answer this one, though going by the photo's BT posted I'd say the JL. BUT it's also a hell of a lot harder to get, whereas the Furuta Voyager still seems relatively abundent.


What about the Reliant?
Again, only have the Furuta but it's quite nice. One problem I had with mine though is that the roll bad has pegs that slot into the hull in order to secure it. This though looks out of place, and also on mine one of the pegs refused to go in, so I had to cut it off.


Did JL ever do an Ent-E?
Nope, unfortunately.


who does the best Defiant?
hmm...depends really. The Micro Machines Defiant is terrible, just like their Enterprise-E, in that the sculpt isn't even accurate. The Furuta version is verrry nice. Sculpt is great, size is good, and detailing is good although for some reason they skipped the detailing on the bridge. The biggest flaw with the Furuta is the paintwork. The front and back of the warp nacelles are painted the wrong colour, as is some of the body work. Now I've re-painted mine because I couldn't stand it, but overall very nice.

The F-toys on the other hand is quite a bit smaller, though overall superb, and better than the Furuta. The sculpt is again very good, the big thing here though is detail. Now I also have in my collection one of the big AMT/Ertl Defiant models - the F-toys miniature is a match for the big model in terms of detail. The different colours and accuracy of the paintwork is exceptional, and the detailing (ie the ship name, registry details etc) are better than the Furuta. The ONLY negative things I can say about it is that it's a bit small, and a few paint details (such as the red on the front of the warp nacelles) are too understated. They are there, just not prominent.

So overall the F-yous is a better Defiant. Oh and of course you get two for the price of one because one comes as a 'cloaked' (ie clear plastic) Defiant which is kinda cool.

Darth Duranium
05-24-2009, 07:38 AM
Spectre, it's probably true that the Hallmark 1701's nacelles are a little low... but that's total nitpicking IMO because so much else is so spot-on. The top of the nacelles are the same height as the very top of the bridge. But if you see it in-person, you'll agree that it's in a different league than all the others. Better than most of the 1701s that are much larger, too.

I'd agree with DW and say the JL Voyager's (gear up) is the best out there, and the Furuta is decent larger second choice. The JL Voyager (gear down) is just ok. The Hallmark's ok but nothing special. The JL Voyagers are best-scaled to go with the JL Ent-D and Furuta Ent-E, IMO. There's a silver JL WL Voyager that I'd love to own but I won't pay a fortune for it... so I likely never will.:cry:

Blue, I've got the Equinox, Dauntless, Relativity, and Prometheus escorting my shelved Voyagers... apparently, I really like the later Starfleet ship designs a lot.:thumbsup: I should dock my Ent E's closer to those ships... hmmmm...

Best Reliant? A real toughie because they're all pretty similar. Probably would have to give it to the regular JL Reliant over Konami, Furuta, Hallmark, and the battle-damaged JL. Nice paint on the JL. There's a tiny USS Saratoga with the Romando set, but it's way too small to consider here. There's also a JL USS Majestic, which has "marmalade" battle-damage but it has really nice aztecing. I haven't seen the Hot Wheels Reliant or Saratoga yet.

Best Defiant? They're all so different in size (Hallmark's is 25% bigger than Furuta and the F-Toys is 1/3 Furuta's size) that it's hard to compare them. Hallmark's paint (and lights) are outstanding on this one, but the other 2 are great, too. Choose this one by size, according to your needs, IMO. The small F-Toys (non-cloaked) Defiant looks best with the JL Ent D and Furuta Ent E, IMO... but it's still technically way too big to be in scale even so.

We will never agree on this next topic but I'll put it out there anyway...

If I had to rank the Trek series best to worst, I'd have to go:

TNG
TOS
VOY
DS9
ENT
TAS

How about y'all?

Darth Windu
05-24-2009, 08:04 AM
The small F-Toys (non-cloaked) Defiant looks best with the JL Ent D and Furuta Ent E, IMO... but it's still technically way too big to be in scale even so.
Dude, you want scale with the Defiant, you're going to need to put the Furuta version alongside the big Playmates Ent-D and Art Asylum Ent-E!



We will never agree on this next topic but I'll put it out there anyway...

If I had to rank the Trek series best to worst, I'd have to go:

TNG
TOS
VOY
DS9
ENT
TAS

How about y'all?
You had to do it, didn't you?

Anyway for me it's

DS9
TNG
VOY
TOS
ENT
TAS

I should note though that I've only ever seen one TAS episode a long time ago, and if ENT had continued the way it was going close to the end, it would've been higher on my list.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-24-2009, 01:46 PM
Well, since I've never really watched VOY or DS9 you have me at a disadvantage. At the risk of sounding like a male chauv. pig (perhaps I am) however, I couldn't stomach the captain in VOY, so I never went there. She seemed cold and one-dimensional—no way I could like her. T'Pol in all her Vulcan ways is light-years warmer and more likeable then Janeway.

And I can't recall why I never got into DS9 so long ago.

Also, for me it's hard to compare TOS to its descendants since it is the series that created the whole phenomenon and aired so long ago when there where much different social issues at play and different criteria that defined successful Scifi TV. The audience for which it was created was much different than the one that exists today. But Gene Roddenberry deserves much credit for his ground-breaking effort, and without TOS all else would be not, so here goes:

TOS
ENT
TNG
TAS

JediTricks
05-24-2009, 04:29 PM
I skipped V'ger (for the most part, but I still had to watch 7of9 every once in a while :lipsrsealed:) cause I still had a bad taste in my mouth from the early DS9 episodes. So bad that I missed the good stuff toward the end. Enterprise certainly made it so that Paramount had to update TOS. But I agree with SotP, I thought it was better than Next Gen. Grittier and (especially in the pilot) sexier. Wow, that is quite a claim. I can't imagine why you'd skip Voyager if you felt Enterprise was better than TNG, Voyager was very close to Voyager's caliber.


Thanks for the pics, Blue2th. The Furuta one spanks the JL.

Never seen the Furuta Defiant before, looks good. Why is it though that nobody recreates the pulse cannons on the cowlings of the warp engines? It's not on the Playmates Defiant either. I think the only one that has it is the F-Toys one, and it's just a line there.



Man, oh man, this Voyager ship is one ugly mother _______! Particularly the rear view... looks like some kind of water-bug or a mutant swamp frog spread-eagled and ready to be dissected. Just one man's opinion, of course. I never watched Voyager and I don't think I intend to have this thing on my shelf (or even near the pond in back of my house). lolVoyager's big head and small body with tiny movable warp engines was pretty odd to look at, although after 7 years of the show I guess I got used to it.



DS9 is awesome! You want gritty, then you go for DS9. Some of the episodes are quite dark and a lot of them explore the darker side of morality, and what people are willing to do in order to achieve their ends. Anyway, moving on to your questions...I agree, DS9's gritty is a little more mature than Enterprise even.


The Micro Machines Defiant is terrible, just like their Enterprise-E, in that the sculpt isn't even accurate.Yeah, their Defiant has so many things so very wrong. For small-scale, I actually went with the pewter keychain from... oh dear, I don't remember. They did a decent Ent-E as well. Unfortunately, I actually used the Defiant as a keychain for a while so mine is a little dinged up.

I don't even remember the Micro Machines Ent-E, only that you had to buy a gift set to get it.



We will never agree on this next topic but I'll put it out there anyway...

If I had to rank the Trek series best to worst, I'd have to go:

TNG
TOS
VOY
DS9
ENT
TAS

How about y'all?Daring! My list wouldn't include TAS, as it's just too much of an oddity to fit in there.

TOS
TNG
DS9
VOY
ENT

It is very close between TNG and TOS for me, and Voy is only above Ent because of 7 of 9 really, she was more attractive AND could act. I absolutely didn't realize that was in order until I was about to post this, it's not intentional. A few years ago, before I watched TOS again in its entirety, the order would have been different.


Ok, so rank the major ships in Trek (Starfleet only). Here's mine:

Ent-Refit
Ent-E
Ent-D
Defiant
Excelsior
TOS-era 1701
Reliant
NX-01
Runabout
new movie
Voyager
Ent-C
Ent-B

Darth Windu
05-24-2009, 10:35 PM
Never seen the Furuta Defiant before, looks good. Why is it though that nobody recreates the pulse cannons on the cowlings of the warp engines? It's not on the Playmates Defiant either. I think the only one that has it is the F-Toys one, and it's just a line there.
I just checked and the Furuta and you're right, they're not there. The F-toys is sculpted on though, it's not just a line :P


Yeah, their Defiant has so many things so very wrong... I don't even remember the Micro Machines Ent-E, only that you had to buy a gift set to get it.
Yeah see I was incredibly disappointed when, as a kid, I first got onto the internet. Why? Because here in Australia, the last Star Trek Micro Machines pack was the 'Generations' pack - we got nothing else so we missed out on the Defiant, Voyager, Farragut, Bounty etc. Eventually though through my good friend eBay I've nearly completed my collection including two Enterprise-E's. :) The problem with that Ent-E though is that it's based on the original design (shared by the big Playmates First Contact Ent-E) instead of the final design.


Ok, so rank the major ships in Trek (Starfleet only). Here's mine:

Ent-Refit
Ent-E
Ent-D
Defiant
Excelsior
TOS-era 1701
Reliant
NX-01
Runabout
new movie
Voyager
Ent-C
Ent-B
Hmm well my all-time favourite is Defiant, so I'd have to go:

Defiant
Ent-E
Ent-D
Ent-B (I don't know why I love it so, but it's just frickin' awesome!)
Excelsior
Ent-A/Refit
Akira
Voyager
Ent-1701

I would list the rest but, well, there's too many!

Blue2th
05-25-2009, 08:26 AM
Found my Furuta Reliant so I could do a comparison with the JL.

Blue2th
05-25-2009, 08:29 AM
Here's some rear pics, with the Majestic DT mentioned the elaborate aztecing which is outstanding.

Blue2th
05-25-2009, 08:46 AM
Size comparison pic of the AA Enterprise E and the Furuta Defiant.
Defiant pulling away from DS9 for funsees.

Darth Windu
05-25-2009, 09:11 AM
um...your DS9 is upside down :D

Blue2th
05-25-2009, 09:59 AM
Oh oh! :laugh:

Darth Duranium
05-25-2009, 04:30 PM
um...your DS9 is upside down :D

I thought there was no upside-down in space!:D And you won't be able to hear "Oh, Oh" either...


Dude, you want scale with the Defiant, you're going to need to put the Furuta version alongside the big Playmates Ent-D and Art Asylum Ent-E!

I guess you could put the tiny Hallmark Defiant (that attaches to the Hallmark DS9) next to the Hallmark Enterprise E as a smaller-scaled solution. BTW, I always thought the Defiant looked way too big when shot next to DS9 on the show. Anyone else agree?

Blue, that huge AA Ent E looks damned nice.

I don't really collect the "big" ships (just got the Bandai Ent Refit as a prezzie) but that one makes me want to. I'll resist... "Discipline, 007, discipline."
I never meant to collect the MMs either but I've got almost all of them (inc the MM Defiant that I actually like) in a box... I just ended up getting them in eBay lots.

If I had to rank "major" ships (turning my head, coughing, and looking at my shelf), I'd go something like:

Ent E (elegant design)
Ent D (the future one looks a bit ungainly)
Prometheus (sharp lines)
Dauntless (yes I know it ain't technically SF)
Ent C
Voyager
Defiant/Valiant (DS9)
Relativity
Ent B/Excelsior
Equinox
Ent Refit/A
Ent TOS
Nebula/Farragut
Ent NX
Stargazer
Miranda/Reliant
Oberth
Pasteur

Shuttles? I won't get too detailed here:

Delta Flyer (Hallmark's is amazing!)
Argo (want one)
Galileo (TOS)
Captain's Yacht (Ent E)
TNG Movie shuttles
Travel Pods/Work Bees - would love a bunch of these - I've seen garage kits
Surak
Voyager Shuttles
DS9 Shuttles inc Rio Grande
TOS Movie Shuttles
NX Shuttle
TNG TV Shuttles

I'd love to see more shuttles produced in JL scale. The JLs are ok but the Innerspace ones are weak.

Alien Wessels?

Romulan Warbirds
Klingon Battlecruisers
Klingon BoPs
Vulcan ships
Borg ships
the rest...

Question: What's your Top 5 Wants for small Trek ships that haven't been produced yet?

Darth Windu
05-26-2009, 07:02 AM
Calm down guys, this thread is for STAR TREK, not real world politics.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-26-2009, 12:06 PM
Calm down guys, this thread is for STAR TREK, not real world politics.

Quite right. Although, I did reference Universal Translator in my last post. :lipsrsealed:

clone157
05-26-2009, 02:27 PM
Enterprise
DS9 (the later episodes)
TOS
TOS
TNG
V'ger

I still have to think about my favorite ships. That's a tough one. Dang DT, I'm gonna have to wiki some of your choices.

Darth Windu
05-27-2009, 02:22 AM
Guys, do I need to send you to your rooms?

Seriously come on. I enjoy a spirited political debate as much as the next person, but this isn't the place. If you guys want to have that discussion by all means do so, but do it in the appropriate place, which isn't here.

Blue2th
05-27-2009, 09:06 AM
On that note...Spectre' there's a special place we get thrown into for such discussions by the mods from time to time. It's called the Rancor Pit. Some lively discussions there I think you'd enjoy.
http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/forumdisplay.php?f=340

Enterprise encounters screen saver and gets probed:

Blue2th
05-27-2009, 09:20 AM
Enterpise gets meteor shower and probed again:

Blue2th
05-27-2009, 09:28 AM
Enterprise encounters the ribbon:

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2009, 11:47 AM
Enterpise gets meteor shower and probed again:

Beautiful stuff. That shower looks very effective (optical fibers, I take it). Which 1701-D is that? Have you done or considered any Photoshopping with your models, or are you a photo-purist?

Blue2th
05-27-2009, 12:30 PM
That's the JL Enterprise D.

Thanks, no purist here. Just different lights, a $5 fiber optic thingy from Walmart, and a screen saver on the display.

I'm a novice, though hope to learn more. No Photoshop exp. yet.

clone157
05-27-2009, 01:25 PM
Ok, let me see if I can remember all the cool ships I want to profess my admiration for:
Ent-E
Farragut (TNG series not the unseen one from the new movie)
Ent-A/ refit (visually I still can't tell the difference)
Nx-01
Akira (looks like NX-01 upside down)
Future Ent-D
Equinox
Prometheus (cool splitting ability)
Ent-C
Ent-b/excelsior (pretty lines and I always thought the flat back would be a great external landing platform)
Ent-D
Defiant
Reliant
Voyager
Stargazer


I went to a great source for a list of ones I want to see. I know I've mentioned it before, but once again (I think you'll like it Spec) you gotta check out: http://www.merzo.net

Niagra class
Akira
New Orleans
Challenger
yaeger
NEGH'VAR
For others, I'm gonna have to reload Star Trek Armada II, A really great game.

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2009, 02:39 PM
I went to a great source for a list of ones I want to see. I know I've mentioned it before, but once again (I think you'll like it Spec) you gotta check out: http://www.merzo.net


Tremendous site! Thanks. Now need to add the 2009 ship...


[possible movie spoiler follows]


...which is supposed to be around 750 meters long! That would make it the largest Federation ship "to date,"even though it's still a Constitution class with a starting service of 2258—several years before the 'dinky' TOS 1701! Time travel and alternate realities make my brain hurt...

JediTricks
05-27-2009, 03:34 PM
Ok, so first off, our forums have a rule about no political or religious discussions outside of The Rancor Pit, so I have moved the discussion in here over to that section as its own thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=40529) (which you will need to use the Rancor Pit password to access: rancor). I've moved several full posts, and copied over part of posts as well, editing them in this thread.


I just checked and the Furuta and you're right, they're not there. The F-toys is sculpted on though, it's not just a line :POk, I was only going on the small photos I've seen, as I don't have one. I've been tempted to get the set off ebay though.


Size comparison pic of the AA Enterprise E and the Furuta Defiant.Ugh, that is so sweeeeet!



BTW, I always thought the Defiant looked way too big when shot next to DS9 on the show. Anyone else agree?If you mean docked, I'd say no, but the show was very fluid with the size of the ship, sometimes almost the size of the Galaxy class saucer, others almost 1/10th of that.


Blue, that huge AA Ent E looks damned nice. Only because it is. :D The AA/DST ships are pretty good overall, the E is easily the best version of that ship available on the market. Same goes for the A, the TOS ship is the most accurate I've seen under $1k (although it's missing fine details), and even their NX-01 is pretty decent.


Ent D (the future one looks a bit ungainly)Agreed, it's fun to have a giant cannon and greebles, but it is an odd duck.


Dauntless (yes I know it ain't technically SF)Wow, obscure-much? :p I don't see it with that design, looks like a big slug to me, what about it appeals for you?


RelativityI've always felt the Relativity is extremely similar to a GI Joe vehicle, the Phantom X-19: http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/88/phantom/


As for shuttles, I'm a fan of basics:
TNG Type-6 Shuttlecraft
Danube-class Runabout
Voy Type-8 Shuttlecraft
TOS Class-F Shuttlecraft (Galileo)
Travel Pod
Workbee
Sphinx Workpod
TMP-era warp shuttle


Very cool shots Blue2th!



Farragut (TNG series not the unseen one from the new movie)Yeah, that is a cool design, I dig it too, like a TNG-era Miranda class. I didn't understand why they kept changing the Nebula class design as they went though, the idea of changing mission pods on top wasn't too bad but the other changes got stale.


Ent-A/ refit (visually I still can't tell the difference)There isn't one, the A is a repaint of the TMP model with only the registry number repainted. I can't seem to convince people of this though, despite AMPLE source evidence. Hell, some of the shots in ST4 are lifted directly from ST1.


Akira (looks like NX-01 upside down)The reality is vice-versa, the NX-01 is an upside-down Akira basically since the Akira came first.



Tremendous site! Thanks. Now need to add the 2009 ship...


[possible movie spoiler follows]


...which is supposed to be around 750 meters long! That would make it the largest Federation ship "to date,"even though it's still a Constitution class with a starting service of 2258—several years before the 'dinky' TOS 1701! Time travel and alternate realities make my brain hurt...I have a lot of that site's work on my harddrive from years ago.

I've been making that comment about the new movie Enterprise being bigger than even the Ent-E for weeks now, where have you guys been? :p

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2009, 03:56 PM
That's the JL Enterprise D.

Thanks, no purist here. Just different lights, a $5 fiber optic thingy from Walmart, and a screen saver on the display.

I'm a novice, though hope to learn more. No Photoshop exp. yet.

It's pretty impressive that you did that with such a small scale model. If you have the time, get busy and learn Photoshop. The stuff you could do with models after adding backgrounds and other elements digitally and manipulating them in Photoshop... you could have a fine collection of very cool digital "illustrations."

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2009, 04:00 PM
Ok, so first off, our forums have a rule about no political or religious discussions outside of The Rancor Pit, so I have moved the discussion in here over to that section as its own thread (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?t=40529) (which you will need to use the Rancor Pit password to access: rancor).


Nah, thanks.






I have a lot of that site's work on my harddrive from years ago.

Is that your website?!





I've been making that comment about the new movie Enterprise being bigger than even the Ent-E for weeks now, where have you guys been? :p

I'm a newbie.

JediTricks
05-27-2009, 04:05 PM
Is that your website?!Oh, no, I wish I had that much drive and skill. I just saved a lot of the stuff they've posted over the years so I'd have copies.


I'm a newbie.Well, now ya know, I was saying it. :p Giant ship, massive, so was the Kelvin (which explains why George Kirk saved 800 people, and why I argue this movie takes place completely in an alternate universe start to finish).

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-27-2009, 06:32 PM
Hey, all, I'm interested in a slightly larger scale TOS Enterprise that holds a bit more accuracy and detail than the smaller scale ships—and I don't want to put glue to plastic. I've been eyeing the Corgi CC96601 40th Anniversary die-cast model. At about 8" long it looks almost twice the size of the small-fry, and it looks pretty good in pics. Although I can't quite tell what's going on with the nacelle end caps. Are they grooved orange plastic? And it looks as though it's very hard to find unless you buy from a Ebay seller in the UK.

Anybody have any yeas or nays about this one, or any other suggestions for the best ship at around this scale? Thanks.

Should this be its own thread or is this good?

Darth T, I'd appreciate your input, as well. I apologize for getting outta control and I'm willing to shake on it and move on. What say you?

JediTricks
05-28-2009, 12:20 AM
That's a good scale, but it doesn't have the detail, they went very minimalistic on it, it's missing detail stuff from the shooting prop, and the upper part of the saucer is a little overscaled IMO. The red things aren't grooved in person, they're an undetailed look with nearly opaque day-glo orange.

There's a bunch on ebay if you don't mind paying $40 plus shipping, which I would mind. :p

Spectre o'the Phaser
05-28-2009, 06:54 PM
Also, would I be correct in assuming F-toys does not have a 1701-B? Anyone know for sure? Seems a shame. Thanks.

I purchased the F-toys NX-01, 1701, 1701-refit, 1701-D and kinda wanted the B from them too, just for consistency sake. But since they apparently don't have a B I'll probably get the Konami one.

Darth Duranium
05-28-2009, 07:25 PM
Darth T, I'd appreciate your input, as well. I apologize for getting outta control and I'm willing to shake on it and move on. What say you?

Why don't you take a flying fu.... just kidding, dude. ;) Check your PMs... I answered your PM. No worries...

I'm still a big fan of the 2006 Hallmark Enterprise, for a larger scale 1701. Tough to beat, even by the huge ships. Plus, it lights up and talks, no seams, nice paint, nice stand... it's my favourite 1701.

I'd agree with JT's take on the Corgi 1701... it's good, not great. Make sure you don't get the unpainted silver version accidentally. Still, better than HW's version will be, I'll willing to bet.

So far, there's no F-Toys 1701-A, B, C, or E yet... the Konami and Furuta B's are very similar but I like the Konami mould slightly more.

JT, I'm probably obsessed with the Dauntless and Relativity because I finished off my garage kit versions recently. I'll post a few pics over the w/e so you guys can comment/skewer.:)

We just saw John Carpenter's "Dark Star" for the first time last night (dreadful but it's cheesy fun), and I thought their ship looked a bit like the Dauntless. I think the Dauntless has very nice lines and would look equally at home in water.

The Relativity bears more than a passing resemblance to the Royal Starship from Episode I, too.

BTW JT, what's so damn great about those Plain-Jane Trek shuttles? They look like lunchboxes!:D

BTW, Blue... nic pics! Adding some coloured lighting really makes the scale disappear, huh? I forgot to mention I also liked your previous set that reenacted scenes from "The Chase" etc.

Blue2th
05-28-2009, 08:14 PM
Thanks DT.

I like the Dauntless. (the SBD Dauntless is also my favorite WWII airplane btw) The bow is a little like the Prometheus, which is also a very sleek looking ship, but has a bridge that looks like an upside down Hindenburg :confused: kinda doesn't fit but it's ok.

The Relativity kinda sort of has those Babylon 5 White Star lines to it.
I recently sold off some loose Bab 5 figures that the packages got water damaged, but I kept the ships. :lipsrsealed:

clone157
05-29-2009, 05:07 PM
WHOO HOO! I just found local stores that carry F-toys and Furutas (only series 2 and 3 [alpha beta]). A little pricey, but I feel good supporting my local economy. Picked up Nx-01 and TOS enterprises! Blind boxes suck, but if I get a second TOS Ent, I may try to make a Kelvin.

RJarvis
05-29-2009, 05:11 PM
WHOO HOO! I just found local stores that carry F-toys and Furutas (only series 2 and 3 [alpha beta]). A little pricey, but I feel good supporting my local economy. Picked up Nx-01 and TOS enterprises! Blind boxes suck, but if I get a second TOS Ent, I may try to make a Kelvin.

clone157 - what store(s) in austin carries those? i'm heading there to visit my inlaws in a couple of weeks and i'd ike to see if i can snag some...i plan to visit wonko's off n 183, but don't know of any other places hwere f-toys might be...

thanks!

Ross

clone157
05-29-2009, 05:51 PM
clone157 - what store(s) in austin carries those? i'm heading there to visit my inlaws in a couple of weeks and i'd ike to see if i can snag some...i plan to visit wonko's off n 183, but don't know of any other places hwere f-toys might be...

thanks!

Ross

Wonko's has gone downhill somewhat, especially since its gotten new owners. Moving more toward a gaming store, nothing wrong with that though. Furuta series 2 can be found at Dragon's Lair on Braker Ln. Series Alpha and Beta, F-toys series 1, and their Star Wars line can be found at Toy Joy off Guadalupe. Cool store policy: if you open them there, and don't like what you got, you can trade with one of two that they have opened: a Phoenix or a Pasteur. All are $12 each except for Series Alpha (I haven't used that phrase since my Action Fleet days) which are $8.

metaphorge
06-01-2009, 07:57 AM
Great thread!

Anyone up for doing a group shot of some Kilingon battle cruisers? I'm particularly interested to see how the Konami K'Tinga stacks up/scales against Johnny Lightning's D7....

Darth Duranium
06-01-2009, 07:41 PM
Great thread!

Anyone up for doing a group shot of some Kilingon battle cruisers? I'm particularly interested to see how the Konami K'Tinga stacks up/scales against Johnny Lightning's D7....

Qapla' Metaphorge!,
Welcome to the forum. I took a few pics of my Klingon battlecruisers a while back... check here:

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=666492&postcount=13

Hope it helps. BTW, the Hallmark K't'inga's out this year... it'll look great with the Konami (#4 - my favourite of the bunch). I think the Konami's slightly larger. There's more comparison pics of other ships in that thread, too.

Should probably ask JT to roll the Trek ship threads into a single thread... personally, I'd like to all see the Trek ships in the SSG Titanium/MM/AF section.

Darth Duranium
06-01-2009, 11:28 PM
Here's a few pics of various Voyagers in small scale, to supplement Blue's. I don't have the MM one (too pricey) but here's the Hallmark, Furuta, and the 2 JLs.

There are a few subtle differences between the 2 JLs, besides the landing gear... the shuttle bay and some hull markings are a little different.

Wish I had a decent camera... and funkadelic lighting like Blue. Well, I hope you enjoy 'em anyway...

Darth Duranium
06-01-2009, 11:37 PM
Finally got around to taking a few pics of my USS Dauntless... as you can tell, it's from a garage kit but it looks pretty good on the shelf with the Voyagers. I love them "late" Starfleet designs.

Again, sorry about the crap flash photos.

Would have been nice to have decals... but I didn't... but then again, it really wasn't a Starfleet ship so it's not so bad. Mine's midway through its transformation...:D

Darth Duranium
06-01-2009, 11:46 PM
Perhaps the latest Starfleet design seen anywhere in Trek (perhaps the Enterprise J is older?) is the USS Relativity... again from a garage kit.

This was a real pain to paint because the ship's hull has some kind of rainbow refraction surface on the TV version... sometimes, parts of it change from red to blue to black... I had to make a call on what colours to go with. Plus, we never see the bottom of the hull... I checked. Sadly, no decals again except what I scrounged from old models...

My crap flash shots aren't very flattering, but you get the idea. BTW, that's the Romando Ent-E next to it for approximate scale.

Anyhoo... as always, comments welcome.:D

Blue2th
06-02-2009, 08:50 AM
Qapla' Metaphorge!,
Welcome to the forum. I took a few pics of my Klingon battlecruisers a while back... check here:

http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=666492&postcount=13

Hope it helps. BTW, the Hallmark K't'inga's out this year... it'll look great with the Konami (#4 - my favourite of the bunch). I think the Konami's slightly larger. There's more comparison pics of other ships in that thread, too.

Should probably ask JT to roll the Trek ship threads into a single thread... personally, I'd like to all see the Trek ships in the SSG Titanium/MM/AF section.

The Konami Battle Cruiser kicks all their butts! I still don't have one yet.
Though the Furuta Attack cruiser of the TNG which I have is really nice. I think thats the only one made besides maybe a Micromachine.

I agree I wouldn't mind all the "Ships" threads combined, as long as JT doesn't throw us in with the "Star Trek Figures" thread. Those guys get irritated with us sometimes. Though there are some fans who like both or are particularly fond of the Art Asylum larger ships, which there's quite a few really good ones coming out. So i don't know what to do about that, as I'm a big fan of those as well as the smaller ships.

So what's your favorite Voyager? Does the Hallmark one beat them all?

When you guys say "garage kit" does that mean from scratch, or put together from existing kits? I'm not savvy on the term.

Damn, do you have to use a magnifying glass and flea hair brush to paint such small pieces?
Nice Dauntless and Relativity btw.

That site Nightside found in the "Titanium Basestar" thread looks like a good source for the obscure Star Trek ships. A little pricey though. http://ravenstarstudios.com/

Mirtez
06-02-2009, 02:06 PM
Well in my collection, I have all of the Furuta's including the limited light-up Borg Cube and Borg Sphere. They're great, except for the third series which has very dodgy renditions of the Excelsior and Enterprise-A. The Defiant has some odd paint apps which are easily fixed, but honestly I don't like the Enterprise-D - it lacks a lot I think. Others like Voyager, the Prometheus and the Equinox are very nice.

The Konami's are nice, BUT they are made from VERY soft plastic as opposed to the very hard plastic of the Furuta's. Having said that, the sculpt and detailing on the Konami Enterprise-E are VERY good, better than Furuta with them both being about the same size. The Konami Klingon Battle Cruiser is also extremely well detailed.

The Romando's I only have one of - the Enterprise-E, and it is a SUPERB model especially if you want a good, detailed Micro Machines sized ship. It also splits in two which is a nice little feature.

As to the F-Toys, I only have the Defiant and have just purchased the Enterprise-D. The Defiant is quite small compared to the Furuta version, but the detailing and paintwork is much better, on par with the huge AMT model of the Defiant. Yes, it is that good. Plus you get a 'cloaked' Defiant too. The Enterprise-D looks good in pics, but I'll see when I get it.

Finally of course there are the Micro Machines. Very small, but awesome. The Defiant and Enterprise-E are terrible in terms of accurate sculpt and paint, but hey. It has by far the largest range and they are very nice and quite resilient. Not as good as the Furuta's and Konami's as display pieces though.

Besides Furuta's where else can I get the small ships... as in links I can buy from and see other pics of them.. Also do they offer other class of ships...

Darth Duranium
06-02-2009, 05:06 PM
The Konami Battle Cruiser kicks all their butts! I still don't have one yet.

It's my favourite Battlecruiser for sure... nice detail and size.


I agree I wouldn't mind all the "Ships" threads combined, as long as JT doesn't throw us in with the "Star Trek Figures" thread. Those guys get irritated with us sometimes.

Yeah, I've noticed... I'm glad LT started the Trek Ships thread. Though I don't collect the larger Trek ships (except for a Bandai Refit) I certainly wouldn't mind them in with the rest of the ships... ships tend to attract a different gang than the figs, generally speaking. I just think it'd be easier for ship collectors to find everything in one spot.


So what's your favorite Voyager? Does the Hallmark one beat them all?

They all have issues but I've gotta stick with the leg-less JL. The Hallmark doesn't have a huge seam across its spine, like the Furuta... but the mould looks too chubby for my taste. I guess it's oversize because of the lights. The leggy JL looks a bit silly to me, as it did on the TV show.


When you guys say "garage kit" does that mean from scratch, or put together from existing kits? I'm not savvy on the term.

A "garage kit" refers to handmade model ships that are usually made of white resin and aren't usually authorised by the license holder. These 2 ships were made by Mini Model Madness, as was my Moonbus, Icarus, BSG Shuttle, and a few more. My Battlestar Valkyrie and Basestars came from another garage kit maker. They're solid resin (or metal), and they usually need a crapload of sanding, priming, drilling, and painting to get them to look halfway decent. There are always issues with casting (bubbles, mis-shapen parts) but nothing too major so far. Usually, they're the only way to get the more obscure ships... if you have the time to deal with them. This site has loads of 'em: http://www.federationmodels.com/

I got most of 'em really cheap ($6/ea) on eBay ages ago. I've known about Ravenstar and a lot of others for a long time but they are way too pricey for me... but there are some nice ships out there like the Akira and Argo garage kits... and some more neat BSG and SW stuff, too.


Damn, do you have to use a magnifying glass and flea hair brush to paint such small pieces?
Nice Dauntless and Relativity btw.

Naw, just a fine brush, spraypaint, some old decals, and patience. A Dremel tool is invaluable, too. Der Dremel ist zuperfantastik, Herr Blue.
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback. They're far from perfect but I like 'em...

BTW, took a few shots of my Defiants as well... attached below:
Pic 2 - Left to right: Hallmark, Furuta, F-Toys, MM, and Hallmark (micro). My favourite's got to be the Furuta.
I messed about with that 2nd (crap) Defiant photo in Photoshop for 10 minutes... the third pic is the result. The Defiant planetary blockade is now in effect!


Besides Furuta's where else can I get the small ships... as in links I can buy from and see other pics of them.. Also do they offer other class of ships...

Mirtez, your best bet for seeing the various ships is to go on eBay and search there. Another non-auction option is to google "F-Toys Star Trek" or "Furuta Star Trek" for example. I got almost all of mine from eBay, though. Good hunting.


The Micro Machines Defiant is terrible, just like their Enterprise-E, in that the sculpt isn't even accurate. The Furuta version is verrry nice. Sculpt is great, size is good, and detailing is good although for some reason they skipped the detailing on the bridge. The biggest flaw with the Furuta is the paintwork. The front and back of the warp nacelles are painted the wrong colour, as is some of the body work. Now I've re-painted mine because I couldn't stand it, but overall very nice.

Are we ever going to get to see some pics of your repainted/modded ships? Aw, c'mon...

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-02-2009, 07:13 PM
BTW, took a few shots of my Defiants as well... attached below:
Pic 2 - Left to right: Hallmark, Furuta, F-Toys, MM, and Hallmark (micro). My favourite's got to be the Furuta.
I messed about with that 2nd (crap) Defiant photo in Photoshop for 10 minutes... the third pic is the result. The Defiant planetary blockade is now in effect!



Very nice Photoshopping, DT! Looks like you had fun. That lens flare effect via the Render filter is a fantastic tool ain't it?!

OK, after having just watched Wrath of Khan again recently, I've got my whities all in a bunch for the Reliant. Which one do you guys recommend, Furuta or Konami? Or maybe JL? I tend to shy away from JLs just because they're hard to find and expensive—and tend to be bigger and a bit more out of scale, no? I've been looking at pics online and I can't really get a good read. The Konami appears to maybe have more detail but I can't tell for sure since I can't seem find a nice big pic of a Futura Reliant like this Konami:

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-02-2009, 07:14 PM
Sorry...double post.

Darth Windu
06-02-2009, 11:18 PM
Are we ever going to get to see some pics of your repainted/modded ships? Aw, c'mon...
haha I'd love to, except I've never been able to photograph my minis very well. Actually there's a few Star Wars customs I did a while back, the pics are at http://www.geocities.com/icur_mmm/SWMMpics.html. There's a few Titaniums; the 'Action Fleet' Acclamator with removable rear landing gear; a few re-painted Micro Machines; and modified AMT snap-tight (ie Micro Machine-sized) Republic Cruisers.


OK, after having just watched Wrath of Khan again recently, I've got my whities all in a bunch for the Reliant. Which one do you guys recommend, Furuta or Konami? Or maybe JL? I tend to shy away from JLs just because they're hard to find and expensive—and tend to be bigger and a bit more out of scale, no? I've been looking at pics online and I can't really get a good read. The Konami appears to maybe have more detail but I can't tell for sure since I can't seem find a nice big pic of a Futura Reliant like this Konami
Don't go for the Furuta. It's not a bad piece, BUT it lacks the re striping on top of the saucer (although it does have it underneath for some reason...) and also had (because you have to assemble it yourself) bit pegs for the roll bar. The Konami in that pic looks a lot more accurate than the Furuta is.

Darth Duranium
06-03-2009, 12:40 AM
Hey nice work, DW... liking the mods and customs. Great AF Acclamator mod. Your solution looks loads better than mine (denial :D). You must have a thang for custom Acclamators, I'd guess.:)

Must have been a challenge getting the Fetts in the cockpits, too. They're known to be ornery. I was thinking of doing a Red Guard Titanium Lambda... but you beat me to it with a MM.

Yes indeed DW, little ships are a byauch to photograph... and customs look way better in person... than in my photos, at least. It's shocking, the difference.

On that note, here's some more crap photos... of the USS Reliant... this time for Spec.

Back row from left: Furuta, JL USS Majestic (marmalade and aztecing), Hallmark, MM
Front row from left: JL Battle damage, Konami, JL regular

I have a teeny Romando USS Saratoga (sidebars, no rollbar) but I couldn't find the little frakker for the pics.

I like the clean JL best but this one's extremely close... very hard to choose and they're all very similar in size, unlike the Defiant. I'd go with the Konami if it wasn't so ridiculously bendy... this is the only Konami that I don't display on my wall.
Check out the lighting on the Hallmark... so nice. Sadly, no great Khan quote like "Admiral? Admiral!", though. I'd display this one if I had more space on the shelf.

Darth Duranium
06-03-2009, 12:55 AM
I figured that I might as well finish the job off and post the Enterprise B comparisons, too. Sooner or later, someone was gonna ask. I think I've covered all of the major types of Trek ships (in this scale) now.:D That's it... I'm done!

Back left: Applause (used to be off-white! and have a Nexus attached), Konami, Furuta
Front left: MM, MM (Excelsior NCC-2000), Ertl (Excelsior NCC-1799)

Couldn't find my Romando USS Melbourne or MM NX-2000... but I didn't look hard.:cross-eye

I like the Konami best... tight moulding, nice stand, decent paint IMO.

Anyhoo, enjoy.

Darth Windu
06-03-2009, 03:05 AM
Hey nice work, DW... liking the mods and customs. Great AF Acclamator mod. Your solution looks loads better than mine (denial :D). You must have a thang for custom Acclamators, I'd guess.:)

Must have been a challenge getting the Fetts in the cockpits, too. They're known to be ornery. I was thinking of doing a Red Guard Titanium Lambda... but you beat me to it with a MM.
Well the Acclamator was easy, all I did was take the ship apart and then unscrew the rear legs. The great thing is though that now I can leave them off and have the front leg up so that it's in space, or just slot the rear legs back in (it's tight enough so they don't fall out) and have it landed. :)

With Fett it wasn't too hard, I disassembled the Slave 1, removed the cockpit, and then did all of the detailing, followed by re-assembling it. I figured it wasn't worth it for Jango since he's hidden behind an opaque canopy...

When I get a chance I'll take a few pics of my Furuta Equinox and Prometheus, both of which I've done a little bit of detailing on; my Furuta Ent-E which now has phaser strips!; my Romando Ent-E which also now has phaser strips; my Furuta Defiant which has corrected paintwork around the warp nacelles; semi-repainted Furuta Ent-A; Titanium SW Obi's blue starfighter now with Gold droid; and my current project which is giving Anakins CW Starfighter an accurate paint job that isn't 90% covered in black smears.

Of all of my custom jobs though I'm most proud of the Gunship. Took me a bit to figure out how to get the side turrets on properly but I think they work really well, and the extra detailing makes her look a hell of a lot better too :)

Blue2th
06-03-2009, 09:00 AM
It's my favourite Battlecruiser for sure... nice detail and size.



Yeah, I've noticed... I'm glad LT started the Trek Ships thread. Though I don't collect the larger Trek ships (except for a Bandai Refit) I certainly wouldn't mind them in with the rest of the ships... ships tend to attract a different gang than the figs, generally speaking. I just think it'd be easier for ship collectors to find everything in one spot.





Umm, that was me (if yer talkin' about the recent other one :)) because I got tired of our "ships" conversations getting buried in with the figures, and the Hot Wheels ones were coming out (big dissapointment so far) But hey this one is good too. It's all good as long as we aren't thrown in with the AA figures.

I've got to get at least one of those Bandai's. The detailing is amazing.

Photoshop huh? Nice! I could come up with all kinds of ideas with that if I knew how to use it.

Geeze! I didn't know there were so many Reliants etc.! I need to dig all my Halmarks out and see if I even have it there.

Might have to get one of those applause B's just for the funky colors. Still have to get the Konami cause it does look better than the Furuta.

Darth Duranium
06-03-2009, 07:06 PM
Umm, that was me (if yer talkin' about the recent other one :)) because I got tired of our "ships" conversations getting buried in with the figures, and the Hot Wheels ones were coming out (big dissapointment so far) But hey this one is good too. It's all good as long as we aren't thrown in with the AA figures.

I've got to get at least one of those Bandai's. The detailing is amazing.

Photoshop huh? Nice! I could come up with all kinds of ideas with that if I knew how to use it.

Geeze! I didn't know there were so many Reliants etc.! I need to dig all my Halmarks out and see if I even have it there.

Might have to get one of those applause B's just for the funky colors. Still have to get the Konami cause it does look better than the Furuta.

Sorry Blue... you're right, it was you that made the Ships thread, and Clone who made the Small Ships thread. Good ideas all around.

Photoshop can be "acquired" in many spots on the web... it's a lot of fun, considering what you can throw together in 10 minutes using crap pics. The tutorials will get you up and running in no time... highly recommended. Unlike most PC apps, it's quite intuitive.

BTW, years ago, I customized my Applause Ent-B a little bit... added some details and decals. Weird that the resin would turn so yellow... none of the others did. It was the only B out there until Furuta came along.

DW, I couldn't get the Gunship pics to pop (actually the site puked and gave me a 503 error) so I'll have to look again with another browser. Looking forward to more pics... I like customs.

nooker21
06-03-2009, 10:01 PM
Hello, just discovered this forum after looking for info about smaller Star Trek ships (even though I've been visiting Sir Steves for years). So I decided to take the plunge and buy some of those F Toys ships from a local model shop. First one I got was the TOS Enterprise. Went to get another, and got another TOS Enterprise. Frustrated, I bought one more. Yay! Another TOS Enterprise! So now I have three...

Anyone want to do an exchange for another ship? I'd like F Toys, but I'll take Furuta or Konami. I certainly could use more variety and better results than what I got with my own hands...

Thanks!

Michael

Darth Windu
06-03-2009, 11:44 PM
Hi Michael, welcome to the forums :-)

That is the big problem with the Japanese releases unfortunately - they tend to do that, except for the Romando's which showed you what ship you were buying.

Your best bet if you're looking for anything in particular is to just get it on eBay. Okay, the box will have been opened, but at least you know what you're getting.

Blue2th
06-04-2009, 12:08 AM
Sorry Blue... you're right, it was you that made the Ships thread, and Clone who made the Small Ships thread. Good ideas all around.

Photoshop can be "acquired" in many spots on the web... it's a lot of fun, considering what you can throw together in 10 minutes using crap pics. The tutorials will get you up and running in no time... highly recommended. Unlike most PC apps, it's quite intuitive.


BTW, years ago, I customized my Applause Ent-B a little bit... added some details and decals. Weird that the resin would turn so yellow... none of the others did. It was the only B out there until Furuta came along.


No problemo DT.

My Macs a little different, but I'll eventually do some Photoshop.

Strange yes I seem to remember the Applause B being whiter.

The Konami looks to have a pearl paint job on it?

How long does the light effect last on the Hallmark Reliant after you press it's button or is it just an on-off switch?
I was thinking you could make some nice photos with that and an Enterprise Refit.

nooker21
06-04-2009, 12:31 AM
Yeah, I was hoping to save on some shipping charges, but now I'll have to put them up there as well. I'd thought I'd just mention them here if anyone needed them since I doubt people would be checking out star wars forum for these kinds of things (much less in the trading section).

the discussions here about all the ships have been helpful, I just hope I can find (relativevely) cheaper ways to expand my collection...


Hi Michael, welcome to the forums :-)

That is the big problem with the Japanese releases unfortunately - they tend to do that, except for the Romando's which showed you what ship you were buying.

Your best bet if you're looking for anything in particular is to just get it on eBay. Okay, the box will have been opened, but at least you know what you're getting.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-04-2009, 11:41 AM
On that note, here's some more crap photos... of the USS Reliant... this time for Spec.

Back row from left: Furuta, JL USS Majestic (marmalade and aztecing), Hallmark, MM
Front row from left: JL Battle damage, Konami, JL regular

I like the clean JL best but this one's extremely close... very hard to choose and they're all very similar in size, unlike the Defiant. I'd go with the Konami if it wasn't so ridiculously bendy... this is the only Konami that I don't display on my wall.
Check out the lighting on the Hallmark... so nice. Sadly, no great Khan quote like "Admiral? Admiral!", though. I'd display this one if I had more space on the shelf.

Thanks, DT, your pics are always very helpful. From these the Konami looks the best to me. And I like that the arc-stripes atop the saucer appear spaced more correctly than on the others (just a crazy fetish I decided to focus on on this wessel). But now, how 'bendy' are we talkin' about? I've heard from 2 people that Konamis are very soft... but just how soft? How much of an issue is that for you? I haven't purchased any Konamis yet, so I'm trying to gauge the degree of this 'softness' before I take the Konami plunge. I suppose I'll just have to buy one... but the very cheapest Reliant on Ebay goes for about $16 w/postage from Japan.

Darth Windu
06-04-2009, 11:48 AM
Well I only have the Konami K'tinga and Ent-E, but I can say those two are very soft, easily bendable in your hands. I haven't noticed a huge amount of droopage with my Ent-E, but then I gave it the plastic soup treatment which may have done something to it, I don't know.

Let's just say that I wouldn't display them in the sun...of heavy artificial light...ever. I'm also not being overly dramatic - dropping and warpage I think will be a big issue for the Konami's, they have by far the softest plastic of any of the mini-ships.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-04-2009, 12:41 PM
I haven't noticed a huge amount of droopage with my Ent-E, but then I gave it the plastic soup treatment which may have done something to it, I don't know.


What's the 'plastic soup treatment'? :confused:

JediTricks
06-04-2009, 05:01 PM
JT, I'm probably obsessed with the Dauntless and Relativity because I finished off my garage kit versions recently. I'll post a few pics over the w/e so you guys can comment/skewer.:) Funny ships to be obsessed over. I can kinda see it with the Relativity since nobody's gonna make it though and it is another generation of Federation ships, has a big deal. But the Dauntless is obscure and not even really Federation. Then again, nobody's likely to do it.


We just saw John Carpenter's "Dark Star" for the first time last night (dreadful but it's cheesy fun), and I thought their ship looked a bit like the Dauntless. I think the Dauntless has very nice lines and would look equally at home in water.Loved Dark Star when I was a kid, talking philosophy with bombs and beachball aliens are too funny. And being bored in space, that's awesome. The Dark Star is more simple and angular though.

BTW JT, what's so damn great about those Plain-Jane Trek shuttles? They look like lunchboxes!:DThey are functional and don't have crazy extra lines and big swoops that are totally needless a la Voyager's shuttles.


Should probably ask JT to roll the Trek ship threads into a single thread... personally, I'd like to all see the Trek ships in the SSG Titanium/MM/AF section.I've been thinking about that, but can't decide if they truly belong in there or over here.


I had to stop at post #118 'cause I have to leave.

Darth Windu
06-05-2009, 02:26 AM
What's the 'plastic soup treatment'? :confused:
Oh that's just what I call it when I boil some water, pour it into a cup, insert the plastic ship, wait for it to soften, and then re-shape it :). I did that to the Konami Ent-E because the nacelle struts were sagging, but they're holding a lot better now and in the right position.

On another note I received my JL USS Yamato today and am happy with it, except when I tried for saucer separation it didn't budge. I used more force and it came apart, but it looks (and smells) like they had been super-glued together, and now don't stay together too well. The strange thing though is that the stardrive section has 'Yamato' and 'NCC-71807' on the piece where it interlocks with the saucer section, indicating that it should be able to separate.

Anyone with the other JL Galaxy-class variants able to give me a heads up?

Darth Duranium
06-05-2009, 03:54 AM
DW, all 3 of my JL Galaxy-class separate, including the Yamato. There's no glue that I can see on mine, and all of them will re-dock just fine. Hope that helps. What do you think of the paint?

BTW DW, I've got the Furuta Light-up Borg Cube (with Sphere) too... but it's always annoyed me that it glows red!?! About the worst possible choice for colour. At least the Hallmark Cube glows yellow...

Blue, the entire Konami set is slightly pearly white... that's why they photograph especially badly. Flash just bounces off... BTW, Photoshop is better on a Mac, IMO. The Hallmark Reliant's light stays on for about a minute... it's very bright, especially the impulse section dome. I'd love if it stayed on all the time, but I don't miss the old cords at all. It's a tough call.

JT, you're so old school with your shuttles, man!

Spec, I've only had this issue with the Konami Reliant... it came a little bit warped around the front of the saucer. All my other Konamis were great. I'd imagine the hot/freeze method of re-shaping would work but I'm already overstocked with Reliants so I just leave it out.

I bought almost all of my Japanese and JL ships in sets on eBay... about a month after a set first comes out, the price drops so I usually pounce then. This didn't work for the Romando set... and I paid more for it later.:mad:

From what I've seen on eBay recently, sets are still a good value (especially if you consider shipping), IF you can still find them. You don't often see the Konami BSG and Alien sets for sale on eBay anymore... they're usually broken up. But JL and Furuta Trek sets seem common... and the F-Toys and Konami sets are fairly new. What's hard to find, apart from the White Lightnings and Chase ships? I'm just wonderin'...

Darth Windu
06-05-2009, 04:56 AM
DW, all 3 of my JL Galaxy-class separate, including the Yamato. There's no glue that I can see on mine, and all of them will re-dock just fine. Hope that helps. What do you think of the paint?

BTW DW, I've got the Furuta Light-up Borg Cube (with Sphere) too... but it's always annoyed me that it glows red!?! About the worst possible choice for colour. At least the Hallmark Cube glows yellow...
Honestly I would've been impressed with the Yamato except for the separation issue. Overall very nice, though I'm not sure if I prefer the detailed paintwork of the JL or the subtle sculpted detail of the F-toys, paint job is very nice though.

The problem I have with the Yamato is that because it has been glued it took chunks of paint off of the lip of the stardrive section, including part of the Yamato registry which I'm rather unhappy about, and when the two parts are together they are very flimsy.

With the Borg Cube yeah it should have been green, but hey it's a nice little feature I think, and the red does make it look menacing. :)

Oh yes I'm going to add my $0.02 into the Ent-B bedate - the best is the Galoob version :)

Darth Duranium
06-05-2009, 04:04 PM
The problem I have with the Yamato is that because it has been glued it took chunks of paint off of the lip of the stardrive section, including part of the Yamato registry which I'm rather unhappy about, and when the two parts are together they are very flimsy.

Oh yes I'm going to add my $0.02 into the Ent-B bedate - the best is the Galoob version :)

Did you buy it loose? I don't think I'd ever saucer sepped the Yamato before yesterday, so it was quite stiff. The 2 sections fit very snugly once I put 'em back. Don't know why yours would be any different, really... it's just like the TS landing gear issue.:mad:

Galoob? You mean the gigantic one? :cross-eye

clone157
06-05-2009, 06:38 PM
Spec, I just got my Konamis in the mail. They seem to be only slightly tougher than the plastic used for the MM's. These guys make my few Furuta's seem dinky. They are a little bigger than most, not as big as the HW's. I can say that the paint apps are better than the F-toys and the Furutas.

Future ent-Ds are non-existent on e-bay.

I am noticing the differences in the details on the different lines. I am discovering that I like Phaser strips and Impulse engine details (those are th hardest to find.

I hope you dont mean that the MM Ent-B is best. I gotta go with Konami on that one.

Darth Windu
06-05-2009, 11:17 PM
Did you buy it loose? I don't think I'd ever saucer sepped the Yamato before yesterday, so it was quite stiff. The 2 sections fit very snugly once I put 'em back. Don't know why yours would be any different, really... it's just like the TS landing gear issue.:mad:

Galoob? You mean the gigantic one? :cross-eye
No no it was sealed in its packaging, which is why I'm peeved that it's now damaged... :(

As for the Galoob Ent-B no, I mean the Micro Machines one :). Honestly especially considering the size, the paint apps and accuracy of the sculpting is better than the Furuta I have.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-06-2009, 09:53 AM
No no it was sealed in its packaging, which is why I'm peeved that it's now damaged... :(


Did you consider returning it? I would.

Darth Windu
06-06-2009, 10:05 AM
I can't, I bought it from eBay - the JL's aren't sold in stores here.

I've emailed JL though, hopefully they'll get back to me.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-06-2009, 11:30 PM
I just came across a comics/sci-fi store nearby my work that carries Furutas... hidden in the black baggie. I had my 11-yr-old son with me and I thought I'd roll the dice and make my 1st Furuta purchase at $7.50 each—one for me and one for my son.

Well, they were both the Future Enterprise D. And I gotta say, after recently having gotten my newbie feet wet with some F-toys ships (NX, TOS, Refit and D), the Furutas, at least both of these Future Ds, are rather disappointing. The paint appears kinda sloppy around the nacelles and the parts don't fit particularly well together, leaving gaps where they don't quite butt up... would need to do some shaving maybe. Also, the sweeping sections connecting the side nacelles to the lower hull seem way too thick in comparison to the F-toys' D. Overall a lot less refinement IMO.

Am I being too nit-picky? I just expected better from Furuta. I was going to get the Furuta E that both DT and Blue2th rate highly... but now I dunno.

Blue2th
06-07-2009, 02:02 AM
Yeah Spectre, that's the trouble with not knowing what's in the bag. I bought all mine in one shot from a ebayer in Japan, and each one was already opened, so I knew what I was getting.

Too bad it was the D. Both DT and I have said how underwheming the Furuta D's are.
I don't think you will be dissapointed with the E, and Konami is the only other one available besides the Furuta.

I think they are cheap enough on ebay to buy now, and you know what you're getting. I really wouldn't recommend buying them blindly like you did, unless you like unwelcome suprises. ;)

Darth Windu
06-07-2009, 06:39 AM
Too bad it was the D. Both DT and I have said how underwheming the Furuta D's are.
Make that "DT, DW and I..." :)

Actually if they're in the baggy I'd try and feel out a Defiant. I'd love to get another one of those but they're soooo expensive on ebay.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-07-2009, 09:04 AM
Yeah, I normally would not buy blindly like I did. Just an impulse purchase 'cause my son was with me.

Interestingly, I just came across this: Furuta (now named F-Toys)... http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Furuta

Didn't know they were the same company.

Darth Duranium
06-07-2009, 03:55 PM
Interestingly, I just came across this: Furuta (now named F-Toys)... http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Furuta

Didn't know they were the same company.

I really don't think they are. F-Toys is owned by a company called Platz, and Furuta is another company on its own... both have different websites, products, and company info. I think Memory Alpha's dead wrong on this one but I'm not absolutely positive 'cause I can't read Japanese.:ninja:

The F in F-Toys likely stands for Finemolds (Japanese model maker) who makes Platz's molds. We've seen the Finemolds logo on the F-Toys prototypes shown at Celebration Japan.

Spec, you're not nit-picking: the Furuta Future-D is mediocre at best... the Hallmark and JL are both much nicer. I once bought 2 unmarked candy toys... and of course I got 2 of the same toy, too. Since then, like Blue, it's been opened sets from eBay for me... saves on shipping, too.


Furuta did a nice Ent E, Ent C, Ent B, Defiant, Grissom, Stargazer, Voyager, Prometheus, and Equinox. Their shuttles and alien ships are pretty good too, IMO. Furuta is the only option for many Trek ships in this scale.
On the flipside, Furuta's Ent-TOS, Ent-A, Ent-D, Ent-D Future, Farragut, Pasteur, and Reliant are all meh.

Darth Windu
06-07-2009, 10:41 PM
I really don't think they are. F-Toys is owned by a company called Platz, and Furuta is another company on its own... both have different websites, products, and company info. I think Memory Alpha's dead wrong on this one but I'm not absolutely positive 'cause I can't read Japanese.:ninja:

Furuta did a nice Ent E, Ent C, Ent B, Defiant, Grissom, Stargazer, Voyager, Prometheus, and Equinox. Their shuttles and alien ships are pretty good too, IMO. Furuta is the only option for many Trek ships in this scale.
On the flipside, Furuta's Ent-TOS, Ent-A, Ent-D, Ent-D Future, Farragut, Pasteur, and Reliant are all meh.
I fixed the Memory Alpha page by the way.

I agree pretty much with you rlikes/dislikes with the Furuta's, but I have to add that their DS9 Runabout is superb! It's one of the best in their whole line I'd say, and the TOS Shuttle is very nice too. I will add though that their TOS Ent and Ent-A aren't that bad (the refit Ent on the other hand is horrible) even if the paint on the Ent-A is a bit OTT.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Furuta did a nice Ent E, Ent C, Ent B, Defiant, Grissom, Stargazer, Voyager, Prometheus, and Equinox. Their shuttles and alien ships are pretty good too, IMO. Furuta is the only option for many Trek ships in this scale.
On the flipside, Furuta's Ent-TOS, Ent-A, Ent-D, Ent-D Future, Farragut, Pasteur, and Reliant are all meh.

Dang, I've been looking at all these Furuta misc. Starfleet and alien ships available on Ebay for relatively little $ and I feel like a kid in a new candy store. I gotta stop and take a breath... 'Somebody stop me!'

Darth Duranium
06-08-2009, 03:48 PM
I fixed the Memory Alpha page by the way

Nice one... it's very probable that it was wrong. Hard to know for sure, considering the nature of corporations and licensing.


I agree pretty much with your likes/dislikes with the Furuta's, but I have to add that their DS9 Runabout is superb! It's one of the best in their whole line I'd say, and the TOS Shuttle is very nice too. I will add though that their TOS Ent and Ent-A aren't that bad (the refit Ent on the other hand is horrible) even if the paint on the Ent-A is a bit OTT.

I agree with your agreeance, DW. ;) The Furuta Runabout is nice... but I like the bigger light-up Hallmark better. I'm not that mad about their TOS shuttle... at least JL and Hallmark got the front windows closer to right. But it's a nice Titanium size.

I'm not crazy about the Furuta TOS Ent mainly due to the goofy font on the saucer. Their Enterprise A suffers from an overload of blackened windows, IMO but the mould's good. Shame. The Refit looks ok with Micromachines at least... but I can't understand why they'd release such a tiny runt of a Refit, compared to the others.

I just saw the first Furuta set going for $91 on eBay... yikes! It's still got a while to go, too. It's got the Romulan Warbird chase ship, which is quite nice. It took me a long time to pick that one up cheaply.

Spec, this is about the worst place to visit if you're hoping to find someone who will talk you out of buying ships!
Gimme a B! Gimme a a U! Gimme a Y! :thumbsup:

Call it a crazy hunch but I'll guess that you knew that....

clone157
06-08-2009, 04:49 PM
I just saw the first Furuta set going for $91 on eBay... yikes! It's still got a while to go, too. It's got the Romulan Warbird chase ship, which is quite nice. It took me a long time to pick that one up cheaply.


Last one I was watching sold for $187. At this rate I will never get a Stargazer.

Hey, Spec, last time I saw those black bag Furutas they were only series 2, but they had numbers on them, and when I asked the shopkeeps, they were able to look up which ship was which. And of course they were out of the Ent-E's. I must agree that the lack of detail on Furuta's double d's was a disappointment. Does anyone know if the F-toys D is any better?

I must say that I am really loving my new Konamis, which I have started calling the "Irradiated Micro Machines". Great molds, great paint apps, slightly glow-ey with that pearlescent finish. I don't have the Futura, but the Ent-B is amazing. I wish I could do a Series Alpha type display stand to use the MM version in profile. Maybe if someone could make new stems and a plug for the top like those great F-toys stands.

I'm still afraid to open my new HW Klingon BoP cause I don't want to be disappointed. I love those wings.

Darth Duranium
06-08-2009, 05:53 PM
Last one I was watching sold for $187. At this rate I will never get a Stargazer.... Does anyone know if the F-toys D is any better?

Maybe if someone could make new stems and a plug for the top like those great F-toys stands.

I'm still afraid to open my new HW Klingon BoP cause I don't want to be disappointed. I love those wings.

$187!!!!! Holy frijoles! This is news to me... didn't realise that they'd gone through the roof. Very glad I got 'em when they were cheap ($30/set).

I've got to say that these candy toys ships, as an investment anyway, seemed to really go up in value quickly. Certain ones (Furuta Vol 1, Konami Aliens & BSG, Romando) have really skyrocketed in value. I'll bet the Konamis and F-Toys will do the same.

I'll keep an eye out for a Stargazer for you, Cloneemp. There is a crappy Innerspace one, too.

You might want to pick up some of the F-Toys SW ships. They're really cheap and most come with 2 pegs to attach to the same style stand as the Trek ones.

The F-Toys Ent-D is a great mould... its saucer section is larger and thinner than any other (Furuta, Hallmark, JL, Romando) and the entire ship is quite elegant. Nice clear red plastic nacelles. The paint's quite nice but not as detailed as JL's.

The only drawback is the stand's support peg... it attaches to the ship's saucer rather than the Engineering section, so it partially blocks the deflector dish from the front. The ship also sits quite low on the stand, compared to the others.
Still though, a very nice ship altogether. Highly recommended.:thumbsup: And less than $187!

Blue2th
06-08-2009, 05:53 PM
Damn! Glad I got both Furuta sets with the chase ships early on.

Maybe buy them individually, cause there's some duds in there anyways. Though both chase ships are excellent.

I recommend not buying and I'm sure colleagues would agree the Furuta:

Ent. D
Future Ent. D (this might be an exception if you can't find anything else)
Ent. A
Ent. Refit (micromachine size unless you want that size)
Excelsior (micromachine size- actually these might put a few Micros to shame, but be warned about the size difference)
Oh yeah skip the Spock bust. :rolleyes:

Some of the odd Furuta ships might not be as detailed as one would want, but are unavailable anywhere else in that size.

I'm saving for the expense of the whole F-Toys Star Trek set with the chase Mirror NX-01, at $49 with $14 to $18 shipping is the cheapest I can find them on ebay, though there's at least one dud in there (the D because of the stand) it would cost me more if I bought them individually.

Am I contradicting myself as usual?

Darth Duranium
06-08-2009, 06:28 PM
I'm saving for the expense of the whole F-Toys Star Trek set with the chase Mirror NX-01, at $49 with $14 to $18 shipping is the cheapest I can find them on ebay, though there's at least one dud in there (the D because of the stand) it would cost me more if I bought them individually.

Am I contradicting myself as usual?

Yes, you're not contradicting yourself, except for the non-contradictory parts.:D Whuh?:cross-eye

Damn... then they've really gone up in price, too. The whole set (minus the Mirror Ent) was going for $22 + $10 SAL shipping when I got it from Osaka 6 months ago. Crazy.

I think of the Spock bust as being similar to Dr. Evil's giant space-going Best Boy statue.... without a torso or legs. Spock Prime should have driven one in the new flick :D

Blue2th
06-08-2009, 07:08 PM
....and that's a definite maybe. :crazed: lol

I was just browsing ebay and there's a guy in the states that has 10 full sets of the Star Trek F-Toys for $55 each plus $8 shipping. Probably go for that. About the same total and I might get them sooner. Put it on "watch"
Sold some extra stuff on ebay this weekend. Now if I could just get them to pay me in a timely manner.:ermm:

I checked the Konami's "OUCH" should have gotten that Klingon Cruiser last year when you posted pics. :cry:

There's only one of set 1 of the Furutas on ebay now. It's up to $93. :shocked:

clone157
06-08-2009, 10:09 PM
Wow, sounds like very little love for series 3. So just the Runabout? Is that the only good one?

Blue2th
06-08-2009, 10:47 PM
Wow, sounds like very little love for series 3. So just the Runabout? Is that the only good one?

I like the Pastuer, Kazon Raider, Grissom, Phoenix, and Runabout (you can't get them any other way) the Borg cube is meh as is the shuttle. This wave is an example of what to buy individually IMO, because of the duds in there, and the micro sized ships.

Darth Windu
06-09-2009, 01:08 AM
Wow, rather astonishing prices there! I'm glad I picked up all three Furuta series' early on including the chase ships! As for the F-toys I've only grabbed the Defiant and Ent-D.

clone157 - the F-toys Ent-D is so much better as to make the Furuta Ent-D look like it was hand-made by inept children... Okay it's heaps better :). The sculpted detail is the best I've ever seen and the pain tapps are good as well, they're just more subtle than most. Compared to the JL version for example I'd say that the F-toys has a better and more accurate sculpt, with the big difference being that the JL has heaps of painted detail whereas the F-toys has the subtle sculpted detail. Both easily blow the Furuta out of the water.

Blue2th is pretty much spot-on with which ones you should get and which you should avoid. Series 2 isn't bad it's just different, and not in a good way. As Blue said ships like the Phoenix (the reason I bought the whole wave); Pasteur; Grisson; Runabout; Kazon Raider are very good. For some reason though Furuta took the very strange step of making others, like the Excelsior and Ent-Refit, about half the size of their previous ships. This is especially baffling since they could have just re-used the original Ent-A mold for the Ent-Refit.

They also changed the stands from a black design to an alternating blue or red translucent chessboard design, meaning that when you display them series 3 doesn't look like it belongs with series 1 and 2. The one exception is the series 3 chase ship - light-up Borg cube and Borg sphere, which are both nice.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-09-2009, 12:19 PM
I checked the Konami's "OUCH" should have gotten that Klingon Cruiser last year when you posted pics. :cry:

There's only one of set 1 of the Furutas on ebay now. It's up to $93. :shocked:

Hmm, I guess I'll pass on the whole set of Furutas that sold for *$185*! That's about $18/ship avg. Would like to eventually get all those Furutas—except for the 1701-A, but I'm not really looking to complete sets per se. My goal I think is to collect the best model of each ship with as few dupes as possible.

I have the JL D7 which looks pretty good. It looks plain, but I guess the TOS vessel was like that. And I sure don't like "PARAMOUNT PICS." printed on the hull's underside! I guess all JLs will have that(?) The Konami Klingon D7 Cruiser looks awesome... but an Ebay seller states the lenght at 5.6" long! Another Ebayer states the length at 4.25", and yet another one is described as 5.3"... go figure.

Are Konamis typically bigger than the F-toys 1/2500-1/5000 scale, or does it randomly vary? At least, are the Konamis in proportion to each other? With the F-toys at least you're given an actual scale.

I wish they could ALL keep within the F-toys scale, at least for most vessels... though I realize that would be impossible across the board due to the large variance in the actual ship sizes. But still, for many ships that allow for the same scale it would have been nice to display them in proportion to each other. For example, my JL D7 next to the F-toys 1701 dwarfs the latter. And the Konami D7 sounds like it's even bigger. [Deep sigh...]

The Konami Klingon D7 is available on Ebay for $20 + s/h from a Canadian seller. He's got about 10 available w/ no purchases having been made. About the best price currently on Ebay. I'm mulling it over, currently watching it. What have some of you paid for yours?

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-09-2009, 03:22 PM
Q: No MAGELLAN shuttlepod, or SC-4 Shuttlecraft? Anyone, anyone......?

Darth Duranium
06-09-2009, 06:32 PM
I'm not really looking to complete sets per se. My goal I think is to collect the best model of each ship with as few dupes as possible.

The drawback to buying them a la carte is the cost of shipping... it's much cheaper to buy the whole set when they're new. But considering how much some of these sets are going for now (i.e. $187), I can see why you'd go that route and avoid the unnecessary dupes.


I have the JL D7 which looks pretty good. It looks plain, but I guess the TOS vessel was like that. And I sure don't like "PARAMOUNT PICS." printed on the hull's underside! I guess all JLs will have that(?)

Yep... trademark info's on a lot of small ships, including the SW Titanium Series. Doesn't bother me unless they put it somewhere stupid, like next to the cockpit of the IG-2000.:mad:


The Konami Klingon D7 Cruiser looks awesome... but an Ebay seller states the lenght at 5.6" long! Another Ebayer states the length at 4.25", and yet another one is described as 5.3"... go figure.

I just measured it for you, Spec... it's about 5 1/2" long bow-to-stern, compared to the JL ones that are about 3 1/2" long. The Konami is even longer than the TNG-era Furuta Klingon Attack Cruiser, which is about 5" long. But they really look great together, as far as I'm concerned... the slight difference in scale isn't much of an issue for me. To me, they look like a battle group that means trouble, even if they do smell of lilac and peat moss.:D


Are Konamis typically bigger than the F-toys 1/2500-1/5000 scale, or does it randomly vary? At least, are the Konamis in proportion to each other? With the F-toys at least you're given an actual scale.[/B]

Naw, F-Toys' and Konami's scaling is not correct, either... otherwise their Ent-D and Ent-E would be considerably larger than they are (like Corgi/HW/Strike Force sized). But they're both fairly well-scaled on most of the others. Each company tends to create ships that are all about the same size, regardless of the originals' size relative to each other.

I'd always hoped that Corgi would make a larger Ent-E so that a closer-to-correct scaling of Enterprises was possible. But they canned it, along with the Defiant and Voyager, due to lousy sales of the first ones released.


What have some of you paid for yours?

I got the whole Konami set for around $35 + shipping. BTW, the Konami TMP Klingon cruiser has some of the nicest detailing I've seen on a ship of this scale... it's even got a Klingon logo on its belly.

I've only seen expensive garage kits for the 2 shuttles you mention. I'd like an NX shuttlepod, too...

I agree with DW about the Furuta Series 3 stands... bloody awful.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-09-2009, 11:51 PM
Naw, F-Toys' and Konami's scaling is not correct, either... otherwise their Ent-D and Ent-E would be considerably larger than they are (like Corgi/HW/Strike Force sized). But they're both fairly well-scaled on most of the others. Each company tends to create ships that are all about the same size, regardless of the originals' size relative to each other.

At least F-toys attempts to inject some order into the chaos of comparative size by assigning a numerical scale. It may or may not be exactly accurate, but supposedly you are made aware of the fact that the 1/5000 D model would be 2x the size of the 1/2500 TOS and Refit models. It just kinda puts the ships into a standard orbit of sorts rather than just out there, anywhere. I think this applies to the whole Trek F-toys line. By the way, I believe there has only been the one F-toys release of 6 Trek ships (vol. 1), no?

Darth Windu
06-10-2009, 01:11 AM
I believe there has only been the one F-toys release of 6 Trek ships (vol. 1), no?
Correct, hopefully there will be more though.

As for scale I actually prefer the furuta, Titanium et al. common size method instead of to a common scale, simply because it makes it so much easier to display things, and lets you enjoy the smaller vessels a lot more.

Blue2th
06-10-2009, 09:18 AM
I noticed that the F-Toys Star Wars ships are labeled at 1/144 on ebay.
Could that could be correct on all of them? That would make the AT-AT and the AT-TE huge in comparison to the others.
Still want those, particularly the armored "secret" Y-Wing. The detail is amazing.

BTW: anybody getting the Hallmark Klingon Battle Cruiser? At $32 with lights, I'll probably get it before I get the Konami.
DT posted pics before in the Hallmark thread but here's the link: http://www.hallmark.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10001&partNumber=QXI1185_DK&rank=P1R1S&searchValue=star+trek&fromSearch=true

Darth Windu
06-10-2009, 10:22 AM
As nice as it looks, no way. I already have the Konami version, and this one is just way too pricey for me.

JediTricks
06-10-2009, 03:40 PM
I agree I wouldn't mind all the "Ships" threads combined, as long as JT doesn't throw us in with the "Star Trek Figures" thread. Those guys get irritated with us sometimes. Though there are some fans who like both or are particularly fond of the Art Asylum larger ships, which there's quite a few really good ones coming out. So i don't know what to do about that, as I'm a big fan of those as well as the smaller ships.I wouldn't put it in the figures thread, but I am concerned that the large ships talk will interfere with the small ships talk. Any thoughts folks?


So what's your favorite Voyager? Does the Hallmark one beat them all?Small scale, I don't care. The Playmates one is pretty decent though, I like its motorized gimmick even if it does screw up the lines.


When you guys say "garage kit" does that mean from scratch, or put together from existing kits? I'm not savvy on the term. It is a model kit that isn't licensed and is made in very small batches from a fan's work. The model trees or parts are created in someone's house, their workspace is usually the garage, hence the term.



Yeah, I've noticed... I'm glad LT started the Trek Ships thread. Though I don't collect the larger Trek ships (except for a Bandai Refit) I certainly wouldn't mind them in with the rest of the ships... ships tend to attract a different gang than the figs, generally speaking. I just think it'd be easier for ship collectors to find everything in one spot.Ok, that's 2 for, none against... yet. I'll wait 1 more pass and then decide.


Nice Defiant shots, too bad the fugly Micro Machines one is in there.


Hallmark Reliant looks great with its lights, dang.


Wow, the Ertl Excelsior, I used to have that! I didn't remember it sucking so bad. :p

I just don't care for the Ent-B design, it looks like what it is: a few parts tacked onto the Excelsior-class.



JT, you're so old school with your shuttles, man!They are shuttlecraft, they're not supposed to be Ferraris and hot rods. I mean, I'm not going to point to fuggos like the Type-7 TNG one, or the Type-14 Shuttlepods, I do have standards, but they should look like they have some reason to be that shape and none of the Voyager and beyond shuttles do.


Blue, the entire Konami set is slightly pearly white... that's why they photograph especially badly. Flash just bounces off...Then don't use a flash, set the shutter speed super low, turn off the flash, set the camera on something stable and fire away.


Most Gashopon series will promise "everything in the wave" if you buy a case. Drives me crazy, but it makes for great trade bait.

Blue2th
06-10-2009, 04:38 PM
I wouldn't put it in the figures thread, but I am concerned that the large ships talk will interfere with the small ships talk. Any thoughts folks?



I think you are right JT. If you'll notice I had the same reservations.

This tread seems to be doing really good and it's specific to the small ships.

In that light, I withdraw my qualified yes to lumping it in with the other, but you make the call.

Darth Duranium
06-10-2009, 07:15 PM
As for scale I actually prefer the furuta, Titanium et al. common size method instead of to a common scale, simply because it makes it so much easier to display things, and lets you enjoy the smaller vessels a lot more.

Agreed, but it might be nice to have an in-scale Ent-E, too. Actually, I get annoyed when something doesn't fit in my shelf... the tall Furuta Species 8472 ship is an example... had to put it on another stand to squeeze 'er in...

Thanks for the camera lesson, JT. Erm, duh dude.:D The reason I use the flash is 1) my digital camera sucks in available light 2) I usually bang off the pics at night and 3) I'm lazy - I ain't gonna dig out my pro equipment (ringlight, lightbox, or scrim) for this kind of stuff. They'll just have to do.

JT, it makes more sense to me that the later Trek shuttles are aerodynamic, rather than toaster-shaped... they are designed to travel through planetary atmospheres, after all. And it's a lot easier to crash-land a paper airplane than a brick.... but admittedly less dramatic.

Jeez, everyone hates that MM Defiant. Its back end is especially awful, IMO. The teeny Hallmark is much better, huh?

Blue, you Benedict Arnold! :) Actually, old Benny switched to the British/Canadian side so we're ok with him. :D

I'm not stuck on rolling the Trek ships into one, at all.
But I've read a number of comments saying that people didn't even know that there were Trek Ships sections at SSG, and that they've been visiting the AF/MM/TS thread for years.

If the idea is to increase website traffic and interest (and we all know that the proverbial "dark days" for SW ships is swiftly approaching), it might make sense to take advantage of all the Trek hype and new product.

Things seem a bit disjointed: for example, most of the Hallmark ship posts from both SW and Trek are in a totally different section than all the others... and it's not clear that "Trek Ships" is now referring just to the big ships. There's a lot of small Trek ships stuff in there, too. And some in with the Trek figs.

I thought it made more sense to put the Trek ships (and all SF ships) in the same section as the others, considering the immense amount of crossover interest between fans of all the lines. Ship collectors tend to collect ships from lots of different genres... and not much else. The BSG ships managed to weasel in to the SW TS section (my bad)... why not Trek?

Sticky links to the other ships threads (from the MM/AF/TS section might work to address the issue, too. At least it would save time...
Perhaps a few of the thread names could be tweaked to make them more specific, too. How's that for a happy compromise?

clone157
06-10-2009, 09:58 PM
Maybe there should be a Scaled Vehicle replica section? That way we can have MM's, TS, Small trek ships, large Trek Ships, etc. Heck, we can start talking about the Gundam Cosmos vehicles (that look pretty cool, IMHO) and the Captain Harlock Gashpon series.

Spec, I spent $52 after upgraded shipping on the basic set of 6 Konamis. I wanted insurance, just n case (especially coming from China). It got here in 3 Days! I couldn't bring myself to spend another $20+ for a BoP, one of the most frequently done ships next to the Ent-D. I love that line so much now that they are in hand. The highlights:
Klingon Battlecruiser: Amazing sculpt, could use a blackwash to make the sculpted details pop. Huge size.
Ent-E: Darker base paint than the Furuta. Good Sculpt.
Ent-B: This has become my favorite of the bunch. The nacelles are made of an opaque blue plastic that glow when held to the light just like SW lightsabers. The sculpt is the same as the MM version, but with a slight difference to the underside behind the dish. And it avoids the teal paint job of its smaller counterpart. The size is cool because it is almost the same scale as the F-toys Ent-A.
Ent-refit and Ent-A: good details on the sculpt. Impulse engines have paint!

Blue2th
06-11-2009, 12:39 AM
I dunno, titles can be confusing. If I'd had have started the other thread with "large" then the Hot Wheels ships wouldn't have gone very good in there.

Then again the small, medium, large,..err supersize of Star Trek threads, we could walk right up and take our orders and know exactly what we were talking about. lol

My brain hurts.

nooker21
06-12-2009, 07:48 PM
When you display your Hallmark ornament ships with the others, do you remove the ornament hanger? if so, does it leave a visible mark or are you able to cut it down so it's barely noticeable?

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-13-2009, 12:31 AM
When you display your Hallmark ornament ships with the others, do you remove the ornament hanger? if so, does it leave a visible mark or are you able to cut it down so it's barely noticeable?
Good question. I've considered purchasing Hallmarks but that "giant" hanger really bugs me, it totally ruins it for me. I suppose with a pair of strong wire cutters you can try cutting it as close as possible, and then even try to file it down ever so carefully. With some luck and more than a little bit of skill you can even paint it to match—or if it's still nubby paint it to look like a misplaced light! Any pics of the Hallmarks that I have seen still display a very prominent hanger. :(

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-13-2009, 05:21 PM
I just bought the 1st series JL 1701, the Galileo and the Reliant together for $35 + shipping. Does anybody else find the gray color of the JL Enterprise—and the Galileo for that matter—a bit too dark? I actually never realized the "official" color was gray at all. I mean, I was always under the impression that the ship from TOS was pretty much white, but I guess I was wrong: http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/tabid/74/ctl/ArticleView/mid/408/articleId/7/Default.aspx

The JL 1701 (the WHITE LIGHTNING version not withstanding) is as dark gray as the JL Klingon Battlecruiser; but in the original show I remember the Klingon BC looking gray whereas the Ent. didn't. :sad:

Still debating with myself which 1701 I like better, the JL or the F-toys. Now that I have both in my hands... I think I'm beginning to lean toward the JL.

Darth Duranium
06-14-2009, 09:42 PM
When you display your Hallmark ornament ships with the others, do you remove the ornament hanger? if so, does it leave a visible mark or are you able to cut it down so it's barely noticeable?

It depends. I bought an extra Hallmark Ent D and E (after the first Furutas came out and the E was expensive and the D sucked) real cheap from eBay, clipped the wires and pulled the hangers straight out with a small pair of vicegrips. Just slowly twist the hanger back and forth and pull steadily... it must have been heat injected so there's no thread on it.

I filled in the hole on the E with a tiny dab of grey Tamiya modelling clay... it's almost impossible to see where it was. The D still has a tiny perfectly-symetrical hole that looks a hull detail so I just left it alone. I drilled out slits where the wires were and put both of them on Furuta stands, which worked out great... no glue or seams are visible.

So it can be done fairly easily, if you're willing to lose the lights. Here's the Hallmark E after modding: http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showpost.php?p=576216&postcount=838

I used to display most of my HM ships but I'm low on shelf space so most of the wired ones stay boxed and only go on the Xmas tree now. I still have the Vulcan Command Ship and Romulan Warbird on the shelf ...wires tucked behind and hangers intact. And there's a HM Future D with a hanger. I can live with them that way, rather than kill their lights forever.


I just bought the 1st series JL 1701, the Galileo and the Reliant together for $35 + shipping. Does anybody else find the gray color of the JL Enterprise—and the Galileo for that matter—a bit too dark? I actually never realized the "official" color was gray at all. I mean, I was always under the impression that the ship from TOS was pretty much white, but I guess I was wrong: http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/tabid/74/ctl/ArticleView/mid/408/articleId/7/Default.aspx

The JL 1701 (the WHITE LIGHTNING version not withstanding) is as dark gray as the JL Klingon Battlecruiser; but in the original show I remember the Klingon BC looking gray whereas the Ent. didn't. :sad:

Still debating with myself which 1701 I like better, the JL or the F-toys. Now that I have both in my hands... I think I'm beginning to lean toward the JL.

Sounds like your Fleet's coming together, Spec.:thumbsup:

The dish on the FT is a lot nicer, and the colour's much better. Gotta like the clear nacelles, too. The JL has nicer paint and weight and fewer seams but the dark grey looks like the new Remastered Enterprise, not the original... to me, anyway. It's still one of the best out there, though.

And I wouldn't want to speculate what a WL one goes for these days... shame JL didn't flip the WL colours like they did later.

BTW, the JL Galileo II has better 2-tone paint like the WL Galileo... and at least one (mine) says Columbus on the front. Don't know if anyone else got one like that. The Hallmark's probably the most accurate shuttlecraft paint, apart from the "magic" button on its back bottom.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-15-2009, 12:22 PM
Sounds like your Fleet's coming together, Spec.:thumbsup:

Like I said, I'm like a kid in a candy store. My eyes are bigger than my pocketbook. Almost.


The dish on the FT is a lot nicer, and the colour's much better. Gotta like the clear nacelles, too. The JL has nicer paint and weight and fewer seams but the dark grey looks like the new Remastered Enterprise, not the original... to me, anyway. It's still one of the best out there, though.

Yeah, the dish is a bit of a bummer on the JL. I do like the paint better on the JL. The nacelle ends are a wash for me because the real ones were never a fire engine red as the F-toys have them. On the other hand the amber ones on the JL are closer in hue but are too dull and lifeless—as they might look if turned "off."

The color gray is an interesting issue. The "authentic" color of the ship is indeed gray. However, generally that doesn't translate on the TV screen very well IMO. Maybe the model used for the show was painted as such in order to compensate for the way it washes out onscreen, believing that too light a tone would over-expose and lose detail. Or maybe the gray was chosen to more match a naval vessel gray, I don't know. This interesting page, http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/tabid/74/ctl/ArticleView/mid/408/articleId/7/Default.aspx, suggests that the true color of the 1701 was a specific gray (see pic of paint chips attached) and was chosen partly because grey tones pick up/absorb neighboring colors, creating color and tone variations that on a miniature "fool you into (visually) believing that it's much bigger than you think."

Ultimately, I think the JL tends to come across as more authentic looking.


BTW, the JL Galileo II has better 2-tone paint like the WL Galileo... and at least one (mine) says Columbus on the front. Don't know if anyone else got one like that.

I think you must be referring to the Shuttlecraft Columbus NCC-1701/2, which is actually not a Galileo.

Darth Duranium
06-15-2009, 04:20 PM
Like I said, I'm like a kid in a candy store. My eyes are bigger than my pocketbook. Almost.

Yep... gets pricey. Discipline, 007, discipline.


Ultimately, I think the JL tends to come across as more authentic looking.

I think you're in the minority on that one, dude.:D I like the detailing but the overall paint is too drab. Still, it has its charms...


I think you must be referring to the Shuttlecraft Columbus NCC-1701/2, which is actually not a Galileo.

Yep, I knew that. By fluke, I got a shuttle that says Galileo II on the sides and says Columbus on the front. It's probably a factory error because I've never heard of anyone else getting one... and I've asked around.

You probably know that the WL version of the JL Galileo II is the Columbus... so I've got, in effect, a Grey Lightnin' Galumbus or Colileo. I'm quite pleased 'cuz it's probably unique. The front writing is extremely tiny so you really have to eyeball it up close to see the error.

Someone at the factory must have skipped their carrot juice...

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-15-2009, 07:23 PM
By the way, off topic but do you all recall in the beginning of the new Star Trek movie when the very young Kirk is speeding along in that vintage ‘Vette and shouts "Georgie boy," at an older boy who is hitchhiking along the side of the road? That scene made no sense, right? We never found out who the other boy was or what he was doing there.

Well, that actor is our neighbor across the street, a few houses up. His name is Spencer Daniels. (He also had a small role near the end of the movie, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, as the regressing Button teen.) Many of you may not know it but in that scene in the Trek movie he is James T. Kirk’s older brother, George Samuel Kirk (Sam). Most of the footage with him was cut out. His mother says that it’s likely that when the DVD comes out with the uncut version it will include more of Sam and the relationship between the two brothers. Interesting, huh? Here he is on the right: http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/29/meet-the-young-kirk-boys/

Blue2th
06-15-2009, 10:31 PM
That's a cool story. Maybe we'll see more of him like you say.
I remember that episode with Kirk's brother George killed. "he's dead Jim"

Time for more photo fun with Shran and the JL NX-01 (wish I'd had the F-Toys doh). Didn't know where to put these, in figures or ships, but I like this thread better so:

"Here come the pink skins":

Darth Duranium
06-16-2009, 03:50 AM
It's not clear why they cut his scenes... probably pacing issues. They cut a lot of young Kirk and young Spock scenes during editing.

We'll probably get those deleted scenes on the dvd but they looped over "Georgie boy" (didn't Jim call him "Sam" anyway?) and changed it to "Hey Johnny" in the actual movie. I just checked: he definitely says "Johnny".

from the sometimes-correct ;) Memory Alpha:

George Samuel Kirk was to appear in 2009's Star Trek, where he would have been played by Spencer Daniels. Scenes featuring Daniels as Sam Kirk were filmed, but the character was entirely cut from the final release. The one remaining scene of Daniels playing Sam Kirk, in which Jim Kirk calls out to him as he's driving past him in their step-father's corvette, was altered to change the name of Daniels' character to "Johnny", apparently a friend of Jim's.

In this alternate universe, maybe "Sam" doesn't eventually get rubbed out by squeaking Killer Flapjacks.:D

BTW, nice pics Blue! #2 is my favourite. I thought the actor who played Shran was pretty good, no matter which Trek series he was on.

Blue2th
06-16-2009, 08:11 AM
Funny, that episode with the flying flapjack parasites used to scare the crap out of me as a kid, now it's just cheesy fun. They reminded me of those little fake plastic puke things you could buy. lol

Thanks DT, I think I like 2 too. The first Art Asylum figure I've actually opened. I am pleased with the detail and articulation, so I might open all the few I have. ( hey then I could participate in the "figures" thread :Ponder: )

Jeffery Combs as Shran was my favorite character in Enterprise. He played a good passionate Andorian.
The moving antennas on the Andorians added a nice touch, as well as there were different shades of colors for them like light green.

Do you remember a young Jeffery Combs in From Beyond, an HP Lovecraft film, and he grows an antenna out of his head? One of my favorite classic horror movies.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-16-2009, 11:33 AM
Sorry, double post.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-16-2009, 11:34 AM
From Beyond[/I], an HP Lovecraft film, and he grows an antenna out of his head? One of my favorite classic horror movies.

Definitely #2!. Blue, you would have a blast w/ Photoshop.

From Beyond is absolutely a hoot of a movie! Loved it! That Barbara Crampton (she appeared in a Playboy pictorial, BTW) was hot! I especially liked her with her hair up and those glasses. :thumbsup:

JediTricks
06-16-2009, 05:18 PM
I think you are right JT. If you'll notice I had the same reservations.

This tread seems to be doing really good and it's specific to the small ships.

In that light, I withdraw my qualified yes to lumping it in with the other, but you make the call.Ok, that's 1 against.


Thanks for the camera lesson, JT. Erm, duh dude.:D The reason I use the flash is 1) my digital camera sucks in available light 2) I usually bang off the pics at night and 3) I'm lazy - I ain't gonna dig out my pro equipment (ringlight, lightbox, or scrim) for this kind of stuff. They'll just have to do.Most digital cameras suck at standard light, of this I am VERY versed. :p Hence the suggestion I made, although I neglected to suggest using a timer as well (even pushing the shutter on a slow photo can jostle the camera in this situation). The longer you expose the image though, the more light it will collect, even at night. And I also refuse to pull out my pro equipment (light stands, backdrop and stand, full-scale tripod) for these sorts of shots, which is why I have the more guerrilla approach of just set the subject down, put the camera in front of it, and let light pour in for a while. I hate using the flash, screws up tones and shadows and everything, but I equally hate getting out the lighting rig and all that stuff.


JT, it makes more sense to me that the later Trek shuttles are aerodynamic, rather than toaster-shaped... they are designed to travel through planetary atmospheres, after all. And it's a lot easier to crash-land a paper airplane than a brick.... but admittedly less dramatic.Sleeker does not always equal aerodynamics though, and those post-DS9 shuttlecraft all have their nacelle pylons attached to the thin little jut-outs at the back which is just asking for trouble, either by making them easily damaged, or by taxing the SIF.


Jeez, everyone hates that MM Defiant. Its back end is especially awful, IMO. The teeny Hallmark is much better, huh?The MM Defiant is a shambles, the warp engines are completely the wrong shape and the underside is 100% wrong, going outwards instead of inwards. There's so very much wrong with it that I have to assume they got a very early prototype from the show to base it upon. I can't speak to the tiny Hallmark version except to say that pic makes it look 10 times better.


I'm not stuck on rolling the Trek ships into one, at all.
But I've read a number of comments saying that people didn't even know that there were Trek Ships sections at SSG, and that they've been visiting the AF/MM/TS thread for years.2 against.

Yeah, the Micro Machines Trek thread has been the go-to Trek thread for nearly a decade for our group, but these are jamming and Trek MMs are dead.


If the idea is to increase website traffic and interest (and we all know that the proverbial "dark days" for SW ships is swiftly approaching), it might make sense to take advantage of all the Trek hype and new product.

Things seem a bit disjointed: for example, most of the Hallmark ship posts from both SW and Trek are in a totally different section than all the others... and it's not clear that "Trek Ships" is now referring just to the big ships. There's a lot of small Trek ships stuff in there, too. And some in with the Trek figs.

I thought it made more sense to put the Trek ships (and all SF ships) in the same section as the others, considering the immense amount of crossover interest between fans of all the lines. Ship collectors tend to collect ships from lots of different genres... and not much else. The BSG ships managed to weasel in to the SW TS section (my bad)... why not Trek?I think the idea is merely to keep everything in its place. We're talking about Star Trek ship collectibles, it should be in non-SW collectibles since it's been far too long without Galoob Trek. It's only about organization, are we doing too much cross-talking this way, or is it all good to have threads dedicated to different scales without saying the same stuff over and over?

BSG was different, that license was in the Titanium line for a while, even shipped in the same cases as SW TS. There sadly is no Trek TS. So putting Trek back in there will work for existing readers, but won't encourage new blood to participate since they won't know where to look.


Sticky links to the other ships threads (from the MM/AF/TS section might work to address the issue, too. At least it would save time...
Perhaps a few of the thread names could be tweaked to make them more specific, too. How's that for a happy compromise?I don't do that very often, it becomes messy to leave stuck threads laying around. We could close those threads with a link to these, but other than that, I don't think there's a need to make a big announcement about it.



Maybe there should be a Scaled Vehicle replica section? That way we can have MM's, TS, Small trek ships, large Trek Ships, etc. Heck, we can start talking about the Gundam Cosmos vehicles (that look pretty cool, IMHO) and the Captain Harlock Gashpon series.It's funny, our discussions have put us way up the list on Google's Trek toy listings, but the reality is that we're still a Star Wars forum first and foremost. That said, you touch on a good point, there are other scaled SW ships out there besides Titanium Series, especially in other countries, and folks are already talking about them in the TS section.



I dunno, titles can be confusing. If I'd had have started the other thread with "large" then the Hot Wheels ships wouldn't have gone very good in there.

Then again the small, medium, large,..err supersize of Star Trek threads, we could walk right up and take our orders and know exactly what we were talking about. lolA very good point.



Good question. I've considered purchasing Hallmarks but that "giant" hanger really bugs me, it totally ruins it for me. I suppose with a pair of strong wire cutters you can try cutting it as close as possible, and then even try to file it down ever so carefully. With some luck and more than a little bit of skill you can even paint it to match—or if it's still nubby paint it to look like a misplaced light! Any pics of the Hallmarks that I have seen still display a very prominent hanger. :(
Yes, that's the same reason I haven't bought the Hallmark ornaments!



I just bought the 1st series JL 1701, the Galileo and the Reliant together for $35 + shipping. Does anybody else find the gray color of the JL Enterprise—and the Galileo for that matter—a bit too dark? I actually never realized the "official" color was gray at all. I mean, I was always under the impression that the ship from TOS was pretty much white, but I guess I was wrong: http://www.culttvman2.com/dnn/tabid/74/ctl/ArticleView/mid/408/articleId/7/Default.aspx

The JL 1701 (the WHITE LIGHTNING version not withstanding) is as dark gray as the JL Klingon Battlecruiser; but in the original show I remember the Klingon BC looking gray whereas the Ent. didn't. :sad:

Still debating with myself which 1701 I like better, the JL or the F-toys. Now that I have both in my hands... I think I'm beginning to lean toward the JL.Damn, that is a pretty convincing article for the Enterprise colors.

I actually like the gray on the JL Ent, even over the DST version which seems darker.

I never felt it was white, but i was way into the TMP refit with its white colors and the in-universe justification that they didn't use the gray hull paint from the TOS version because it weighed so much more.

Keep in mind, the original series was broadcast at a time when there weren't solid standards for broadcast or receiving, so it may not have looked accurate on a '60s through '80s or even '90s era TV, and syndicated reruns were muddy prints which didn't convey the original colors intended.



By the way, off topic but do you all recall in the beginning of the new Star Trek movie when the very young Kirk is speeding along in that vintage ‘Vette and shouts "Georgie boy," at an older boy who is hitchhiking along the side of the road? That scene made no sense, right? We never found out who the other boy was or what he was doing there.

Well, that actor is our neighbor across the street, a few houses up. His name is Spencer Daniels. (He also had a small role near the end of the movie, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, as the regressing Button teen.) Many of you may not know it but in that scene in the Trek movie he is James T. Kirk’s older brother, George Samuel Kirk (Sam). Most of the footage with him was cut out. His mother says that it’s likely that when the DVD comes out with the uncut version it will include more of Sam and the relationship between the two brothers. Interesting, huh? Here he is on the right: http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/29/meet-the-young-kirk-boys/I had already theorized it was Sam when I saw it, but apparently they re-edited the movie to call the kid Kirk's random friend "Johnny" because they thought it'd confuse audiences to delve even a tiny bit into the older brother thing. :rolleyes: With that edit, I don't believe they're going to restore the Sam stuff.

Darth Duranium
06-17-2009, 06:49 PM
Funny, that episode with the flying flapjack parasites used to scare the crap out of me as a kid, now it's just cheesy fun. They reminded me of those little fake plastic puke things you could buy. lol

Your terror is understandable, depite being modified puke pads on (not-well-concealed) strings in TOS. :D Still, a great episode... classic TOS.

The episode that scared me as a kid is the scene from "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" where Kirk's strapped to a spinning turntable and an android clone is formed next to him. The sound still gives me the creeps... I always FFWD the disc. lol


Thanks DT, I think I like 2 too.

You should p-shop that one, methinks.


Do you remember a young Jeffery Combs in From Beyond, an HP Lovecraft film, and he grows an antenna out of his head? One of my favorite classic horror movies.

Nope, but I'll have to check it out. The antenna thing is kinda ironic.:) I think he had weird ears on DS9 and Voyager, too.


Most digital cameras suck at standard light...

I wish I had the $ for a nice digital SLR-type camera... my ringlight flash is perfect for shooting small spaceships without long shutter speeds or even a tripod. It just doesn't seem worth fussing too much for a 800x800 pixel max pic.


Sleeker does not always equal aerodynamics though, and those post-DS9 shuttlecraft all have their nacelle pylons attached to the thin little jut-outs at the back which is just asking for trouble, either by making them easily damaged, or by taxing the SIF.

Actually, sleeker usually does mean more aerodynamic... the later Trek shuttles all seem to have fins or control surfaces which makes sense to me. But all Trek shuttles are cleverly designed to crash, explode, or suffer grievous damage, no matter what shape they are...


BSG was different, that license was in the Titanium line for a while, even shipped in the same cases as SW TS. There sadly is no Trek TS.

It's funny, our discussions have put us way up the list on Google's Trek toy listings, but the reality is that we're still a Star Wars forum first and foremost.

It's quite arguable that the "gashapon" and Hallmark scale ships are Titanium scale... certainly within AF parameters... and I didn't even know there was a Trek MM thread on SSG until just now.:)

I like both franchises equally... am I alone in this?


I don't believe they're going to restore the Sam stuff.

Me neither. I think we'll get the deleted scenes on the dvd, though.

Blue2th
06-17-2009, 08:48 PM
Good question. I've considered purchasing Hallmarks but that "giant" hanger really bugs me, it totally ruins it for me. I suppose with a pair of strong wire cutters you can try cutting it as close as possible, and then even try to file it down ever so carefully. With some luck and more than a little bit of skill you can even paint it to match—or if it's still nubby paint it to look like a misplaced light! Any pics of the Hallmarks that I have seen still display a very prominent hanger. :(

Seems to me this is an asset, though DT's solution sounds good if you do dat. I was thinking of digging all mine out (I can't seem to find them now- too many friggin toys arrg) and displaying them with my JL's, Furuta's and future Konami, and F-Toys.
They don't have stands so how are you going to display them?
I can't see myself drilling a hole in the bottom, though that's really the only other option. I don't have enough stands to do that, and the Titanium stands would hide too much of the ventral side I think.

I don't like the gold or silver hoop either, so I think what I'm going to do is use a permanent marker and color each one black. I display my other ships on stands on a black shelf, so if I could put a hook to hang each one with black wire for low visibility they could go in between the ships with stands. The ones with wires you could run them back behind (Like DT said I don't think I want to cut them) and plug them in.

I did see a new small sized christmas tree at Walmart that was all black. I want one of those! I thought about a pure white one (like the Chrystaline Entity) but the wired Hallmark ships have that dark colored wire so that just won't do.
Am I nuts for wanting to display them lit up on command all year round? :crazed:

My sister had so many fufu ornaments on the tree last X-Mas, there's no way my ST, SW, and other Hallmarks would fit or even look halfway good amongst all that female sort of prettiness. I'm so sick of green, red and gold in December, I think it's time for a black crixmix! :ninja:

clone157
06-17-2009, 10:57 PM
I dunno, maybe a fiber optic one would be cool for phaser effects, or how about a train track where you could wrap it around the tree, paint the train black, and hang the starship ornaments from the train itself, flying around the tree?

JediTricks
06-18-2009, 04:37 PM
I wish I had the $ for a nice digital SLR-type camera... my ringlight flash is perfect for shooting small spaceships without long shutter speeds or even a tripod. It just doesn't seem worth fussing too much for a 800x800 pixel max pic.Samsung makes a great DSLR for $400, the GX-1s, it takes Pentax lenses and externals. But really, almost any cheap piece of crap point-n-shoot can take an adequate shot of something small and stable if you let it take in light long enough, even an under-$100 digital. I am also stymied from time to time by SirSteve's 800x800 max size, so I have been using Imageshack.us for hosting, but their presentation is now shrinking the pics WAY too much, so I'm using photobucket for larger pics. They're free and easy to link to, that's all I need, I'm not posting 5mb pics.


Actually, sleeker usually does mean more aerodynamic... the later Trek shuttles all seem to have fins or control surfaces which makes sense to me. But all Trek shuttles are cleverly designed to crash, explode, or suffer grievous damage, no matter what shape they are...Sleeker without testing doesn't usually mean more aerodynamic, some shapes look it but don't act it, some shapes don't work with other shapes, some shapes are designed to buffer differently.

Nobody wants to watch a show where a shuttlecraft does nothing but SHUTTLE people from place to place. ;)


It's quite arguable that the "gashapon" and Hallmark scale ships are Titanium scale... certainly within AF parameters... and I didn't even know there was a Trek MM thread on SSG until just now.:)Search would have brought it up. Hallmark is closer to the Mattel ones which we're not talking about much in this thread, that is true. But I think it depends on the group talking about it. I dunno, are you arguing for unification or no?


I like both franchises equally... am I alone in this?I like them, but not equally and not in the same ways.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-18-2009, 04:55 PM
Hallmark is closer to the Mattel ones which we're not talking about much in this thread, that is true. But I think it depends on the group talking about it. I dunno, are you arguing for unification or no?

I like them, but not equally and not in the same ways.

Personally, I feel that the Mattel size is a different animal altogether. It comes across as a child's toy rather than a collectible due to the lack of quality and the size. The Mattels don't have that refined "miniature" look and feel of the Furuta/F-toys/JL sizes, that I like so much.

As of yet I don't own any Hallmarks (or Konamis for that matter) so I'm not sure I can speak on their scale. But I would not consider the Mattels as being in the same "collector's" ball park as the small scale ships. I'm hoping that Konamis in general are not as big as Hallmarks because I intend on acquiring the Konmai 1701-B and maybe the E, as well as the Klingon BC and BoP, and I'm hoping they're not too big—although i believe the BC is quite large. The only Hallmark I'm considering at this time is the Vulcan Command ship (and possibly the Delta Flyer), since I believe no one else makes it.

Darth Duranium
06-18-2009, 10:53 PM
The ones with wires you could run them back behind (Like DT said I don't think I want to cut them) and plug them in.

It would be mad to lose the lights, at least until they burn out on their own someday. Thing is, many Hallmarks are cheaper (on eBay) and better than their gashapon cousins even without lights... the stand issue is a pain, though. Though a few have stands...

Here's an old blurry pic of how the shuttles looked on the shelf... though they're all boxed now.



I did see a new small sized christmas tree at Walmart that was all black. I want one of those! I thought about a pure white one (like the Chrystaline Entity) but the wired Hallmark ships have that dark colored wire so that just won't do.
Am I nuts for wanting to display them lit up on command all year round? :crazed:

Well Blue, put me in the rubber room next door. I've even bought "extension strands" that could let me wire them onto the shelf... just never got around to it.

A black Xmas tree... with white lights ("stars") around your Hallmarks? I could almost wet myself...:D Might just have to get me one of dem, too. Luckily, the wife has cool tastes and most other ornaments are Batman, Bugs Bunny, Aliens, Airplanes, etc... no Currier and Ives or chubby cherubim at the home of the heathens.;) We're a lot closer to Bad Santa than Miracle On 34th St. :D

A buddy of mine wired all of his Hallmark Trek ships into a huge silvery Xmas Wreath that hangs on his front door, inside the glass door. Looks amazing, but I'd be paranoid that someone would nick it, despite Michael Moore's rosy beliefs about a crime-free Toronto.:) Still, my bud's been displaying it at Xmas for years now... with no Grinch worries yet.

JT, I still think the ship sections (Trek, SW et al) could be cross-linked, if you're (understandably) reluctant to move/merge anything. Beyond that, I'm easy either way, so long as we don't get mixed in with figs.

Spec, the HMs tend to be slightly larger than most of the other gashapons, with the exception of Konami. I expect the HM Klingon BC will be slightly smaller than Konami's, but that's an exception. The Konami B and E are almost exactly the same size as Furuta's. Hallmark's E is slightly bigger than both gashapon Es.

I consider the Corgi/Mattel/Strike Force size to be a different animal, too. Besides quality issues (excepting Corgi), it's roughly analogous to a comparison of Titanium vs. Action Fleet scales, too.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-20-2009, 07:37 PM
Here's some more pics I took a while ago of the Johnny L Enterprise D, Future Enterprise, and all the rest are Furuta's :

Blue, what ship is that NCC-838 you've got there? Been looking for the registry online and can't find much info about any ship that looks like it. Is it Furuta?

Blue2th
06-20-2009, 08:27 PM
Blue, what ship is that NCC-838 you've got there? Been looking for the registry online and can't find much info about any ship that looks like it. Is it Furuta?

Yes, it's Furuta, the USS. Grissom from TNG.

DT, is that the Captain's Yacht from the Playmates Enterprise E Insurrection in the middle there?

What's the one in the top most part of the pic? It looks familiar to Star Trek, don't think I've ever seen one before, it's too large to be a MM.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-20-2009, 09:57 PM
Yes, it's Furuta, the USS. Grissom from TNG.



D'oh, it's the NCC-638 not 838!! No wonder I couldn't find the registry to ID it!


What's the one in the top most part of the pic? It looks familiar to Star Trek, don't think I've ever seen one before, it's too large to be a MM.

Looks Klingon, but nothing that I can identify. BTW, I came across a good reference site for Trek ships: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans.htm

Darth Windu
06-21-2009, 02:47 AM
Actually the USS Grissom was from ST 3: The Search for Spock, not TNG :-p

Also if you're talking about the ship in the top left-ish corner, it's a Maquis Raider.

The Captains Yacht does indeed look like the one from the Insurrection ship - I was so close to getting that. I wanted to get it (years back) at a toy fair but Dad wouldn't lend me the money, so I had to wait until the next one a few months later by which time they'd sold the Insurrection version, but they did have the First Contact version for the same price. Of course I didn't realise how crappy the First Contact version was at the time...

Darth Duranium
06-21-2009, 05:59 AM
I stuck some text on the pic to help sort out what's what. That Captain's Yacht is actually not from Playmates:
from Trekweb:
CAPTAIN'S YACHT SCULPTURE AND PLAQUE. This unique and limited edition (5,000 pieces only) maquette of the COUSTEAU was built from the original castings used by ILM to fashion the shooting model used in STAR TREK: INSURRECTION. (Little factoid: the model was originally built for FIRST CONTACT, but not used. Scenes were specifically written for INSURRECTION so the costly model would be seen on screen!) Thankfully, this 1:1 scale copy of that shooting model is not very expensive! And it has two things the ILM version doesn't: a display stand cast from the actual dedication plaque of the COUSTEAU used in INSURRECTION, and a numbered Certificate of Authenticity signed by STAR TREK Senior Conceptual Illustrator John Eaves! Priced at $25.00. The display stand was cast directly from the actual plaque used in Star Trek: Insurrection and matches its exact size.

I think they still pop up on eBay... though it's been a while since I looked. It's pretty awesome but there's one flaw: the nacelle arms don't move to the down (flight) position, unless you open it up and do surgery (I didn't bother). Other than that, it's amazing.... about 5" long.

FYI: Some kewl pics of the props sold at Christies below:

http://www.johnpearse.partsking.net/trek.htm

http://www.christies.com/Lotfinder/searchresults.aspx?intSaleID=20723#action=refine&intSaleID=20723&sid=f7ab8011-db98-485b-8d01-c0d082960603

BTW DW, your Dad's a jerk for not lending you the cash.:D

Blue2th
06-21-2009, 08:53 AM
My bad DW, I thought it was the ship that got caught in the star gravitation and everyone went crazy on the D. That was another science wessel though.

I got confused on my sizes when I saw that Nostromo escape pod thinking it was the Konami, hence thinking that was the smaller extra Captain's Yacht from the insurrection D, but not thinking because there's obviously Hallmarks there plain to see with their hooks, and probably shoulda realized that was the Strike Force Maquis Ship, and thus...:stupid:

Nice of you to label them DT.

I have that larger Captain's Yacht in a box somewhere lost in the Garage Quadrant along with my Hallmark's.

Did I miss something and not see the Excaliber which Star Trek episode/ Series was that from? It's just like the Enterprise C.

Man! If I were a rich man beedee, beedee, eat lead sucker. I know where I would have spent a bunch of denero! :)

Darth Windu
06-21-2009, 10:57 PM
DT - haha yeah I wasn't too happy with him at the time, but I have the Art Asylum version now which blows both Playmates versions out of the water. I still really really really want that Yacht though!

The version you have does look quite lovely, might have to look that up on my old friend ebay.


Blue - yeah I know the episode you're talking about, it's the one I think where they get the PSI virus just like in the original series. Little bit of trivia - the crew of the Ent-D look up the old files from the original Enterprise (1701) to figure out how to cure the virus, but the computer schematic actually shows the Enterprise Refit/Ent-A instead of the TOS Ent.

As for the Excalibur, it appeared in either 'Redemption' when the Feds set up the tachyon net, or I think it was called 'Datas Day' when Data makes a log of everything that happens on one day for him, which included the transfer of Lt. Barclay and a 'Vulcan ambassador' to the Ent-D.

nooker21
06-23-2009, 10:56 PM
Has anyone seen those new movie Enterprise key chains? They would almost pass for a Micro Machines version of the new ship, if it weren't for the giant chain holes through the saucer and hull. Still, it seems to be the only small scale version out there so far...

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-24-2009, 12:54 PM
Has anyone seen those new movie Enterprise key chains? They would almost pass for a Micro Machines version of the new ship, if it weren't for the giant chain holes through the saucer and hull. Still, it seems to be the only small scale version out there so far...

Yeah, looks pretty mediocre. Supposed to be about 3" long. Hope someone else can make a more serious version.

On another note, I finally got up the courage to open my JL 1701 last night and remove it from the card, along with the Romulan BoP that I had recently purchased. I had a heck of a time popping the BoP onto that metal ball on the stand—the hole was a tad small—but after much pushing I finally got it. Looks good.

I expected much from the JL 1701 and it is disappointing to me in many ways: 1) One of the nacelles is less than level, sagging a bit—hate that!—hopefully not a typical problem. 2) The deflector, of course is always bothersome; I've considered slicing it off and gluing on one from the F-Toys 1701. 3) Upon close inspection, some of the paint is a bit sloppy here and there, and there is some brownish color residue (paint from nacelle ends?) on the vertical section connecting the two hulls. 4) There is a small amount of minor, yet noticeable, residue (glue?) roughly 1/8" in dia. on the upper surface of the saucer that mildly discolors/darkens the hull and does not come off with spit (often the best way to clean a surface without damaging it). 5) The upper surfaces of the diagonal nacelle supports have rows of rectangles that should be painted a much darker tone, and they are not. 6) Where the nacelles supports meet the lower hull there is a raised area, like a saddle, that I imagine aid in support the nacelle assemblies, but should not be visible. 7) The hangar dome is way too tall and the area of the hangar doors is not as accurately sculpted as on the F-Toys.

To my eye, the only areas that JL seems to outscore the F-Toys are the following: The overall grey color of the ship which I believe is more authentic/official. The painted lights atop the saucer. The painted windows and impulse engine area. The sculpt and paint of the impulse engines. The more refined-seeming paint of the “decals” in general. The ol’ deflector dish. The display stand. The Nacelle ends are almost a wash with JL’s being a lifeless brown, but I find the F-Toys fire engine red too inaccurate.

Here’s how I might score the top 2 of the small scale 1701 ships, JL and F-toys, by adding up the negatives from each:

JL - Deflector dish [–2]
JL - Nacelle supports lack of painted rectangles [–1]
JL - Nacelle supports saddle-like raised area on hull [–1]
JL - Hangar area and hangar dome sculpt [–1]

FT - Red color of Nacelle ends [–0.5]
FT - Nacelle supports square outline where they snap into hull [–2]
FT - Overall color too white [–1]
FT - Hangar doors painted silver [–0.5]
FT - Lack of detail paint (windows, lights) [–0.5]

Other the above negative points, the ships have other less important differences that as far as I’m concerned pretty much cancel each other out and so I don’t find them noteworthy.

If my math is correct, F-toys wins by a 1/2-point! And that doesn’t take into account the sagging nacelle on my JL.

I guess I must reluctantly yield to DT... touché

I’d love to hear others’ opinions. :love:



BTW, the JL Galileo II has better 2-tone paint like the WL Galileo... and at least one (mine) says Columbus on the front. Don't know if anyone else got one like that. The Hallmark's probably the most accurate shuttlecraft paint, apart from the "magic" button on its back bottom.

Yeah, and if this link is factual, it does appear that ALL the JL Galileos (with the exception of the WL Columbus) are grossly incorrect in terms of color-scheme: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=6cc9eb9f6e83f539eab2bd7322386ffd&ct=mdrm

The original Galileo 7 (as seen in TOS "THE GALILEO SEVEN") features the original paint scheme of gloss white upper surfaces and battleship gray lower surfaces. Whereas its replacement, the Galileo II, features the modified repaint scheme of overall gray color. It would seem that JL has it backwards; the first one should be a two-tone and the Galileo II should be a 1-tone grey. I think the Columbus color scheme is the same as the original Galileo, white upper and grey lower, so the only correct shuttlecraft would be the WHITE L. of the Columbus.



Some cool (LARGE) models: http://arroyomodels.blogspot.com/

Darth Duranium
06-24-2009, 03:48 PM
If my math is correct, F-toys wins by a 1/2-point! And that doesn’t take into account the sagging nacelle on my JL.

I guess I must reluctantly yield to DT... touché

Stand and deliver!!!!
Didn't realise that we're performing the 3 Musketeers here ;) but yeah it's just a smidge better overall... the colour just pops on the shelf, IMO.


Yeah, and if this link is factual, it does appear that ALL the JL Galileos are grossly incorrect in terms of color-scheme: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=6cc9eb9f6e83f539eab2bd7322386ffd&ct=mdrm

The original Galileo 7 (as seen in TOS "THE GALILEO SEVEN") features the original paint scheme of gloss white upper surfaces and battleship gray lower surfaces. Whereas its replacement, the Galileo II, features the modified repaint scheme of overall gray color. It would seem that JL has it backwards; the first one should be a two-tone and the Galileo II should be a 1-tone grey. And the WHITE LIGHTNING Galileos are all screwed up, too. Not sure about the Columbus color scheme.

From the pics of the Galileo set mockups from TOS, you're right. But there's quite bit of inconsistancy between the various shots of TOS shuttles from the old show so who knows what's really "right" when they reused the same shuttle and hangar fx shots over and over. Looks monotone in the graveyard pic... what do you guys think?

I figure they used grey on the TOS Ent so it looked white when it was lit for shooting... not because it was supposed to be grey, IMO. The only time I've seen a truly grey Ent onscreen is in the earliest-made Remastered episodes.

BTW, some of those models are pretty good...

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-24-2009, 04:04 PM
From the pics of the Galileo set mockups from TOS, you're right. But there's quite bit of inconsistancy between the various shots of TOS shuttles from the old show so who knows what's really "right" when they reused the same shuttle and hangar fx shots over and over. Looks monotone in the graveyard pic... what do you guys think?

No way of knowing which rusted out Galileo is in that graveyard (btw, great shot... where'd you "dig" that up?). If it's wearing what's left of the II paint then it would make sense for it to be monotone-looking. Compare the two pics of the Galileo and the Galileo II below. It's apparent that there was a difference in the color scheme, albeit not a great one looking at those two pics. But I believe the difference was by design. Unfortunately, there isn't a whole lot of info on the subject.

If my theory is correct, it would seem that the Release 5 of the JL Galileo II appears to be painted a little more accurately than the Release 1 of the first, all-grey, Galileo.



I figure they used grey on the TOS Ent so it looked white when it was lit for shooting... not because it was supposed to be grey, IMO. The only time I've seen a truly grey Ent onscreen is in the earliest-made Remastered episodes.


This is quite possible; it has occurred to me, too. I really wish there was a way of knowing for sure.

Blue2th
06-25-2009, 12:23 AM
I can't believe I'm seeing the Shuttle in a junkyard. :cry:

Just found the Star Trek 1 thru 5 three pack Micromachines in my garage. I remember buying them for 3 $10 at KB's. The cards were all dilapidated so I opened them all.

There's a quite a few gems in there. I really like the Shuttlecraft. Detail is good. It might actually look in scale with the Furuta Runabout. They definitely look good together.

The only ones that are just kinda sad are the Enterprise types with sagging nacelles, and the saucer on the Enterprise D is all jagged.
I put the series 3 Furuta Excelsior next to the Micro one and they are almost exactly the same size with the Micromachine slightly larger, go figure.
The Furuta though tiny looks miles above the Micro in quality and detail, so it'll look good with some of the other micros. The Reliant is not too bad either, guess I'll put the micro sized Furuta Refit with it.

Ahh cheap fun! :)

Darth Windu
06-25-2009, 05:45 AM
Yeah the MM Ent-D wasn't great, the 'Generations' Ent-D with detachable saucer was fantastic though, much much better. Also made it fit in better with the Nebula-class USS Farragut, still one of my favourites and far better than the Furuta version.

Hey here's an idea (apologies if we've done it and I forgot...) - F-toys have just made the second Star Wars series, but only one Star Trek series. If you could choose what makes it into the second F-toys series of 6 (5 and one 'chase' ship), what would you chose? (and be realistic! :-p)

I'd have to go with
- USS Voyager
- USS Enterprise-E
- USS Thunderchild
- USS Enterprise-B
- USS Reliant

chase ship:
- USS Saratoga (modified Reliant)

Blue2th
06-25-2009, 10:23 AM
Yeah the MM Ent-D wasn't great, the 'Generations' Ent-D with detachable saucer was fantastic though, much much better. Also made it fit in better with the Nebula-class USS Farragut, still one of my favourites and far better than the Furuta version.

Hey here's an idea (apologies if we've done it and I forgot...) - F-toys have just made the second Star Wars series, but only one Star Trek series. If you could choose what makes it into the second F-toys series of 6 (5 and one 'chase' ship), what would you chose? (and be realistic! :-p)

I'd have to go with
- USS Voyager
- USS Enterprise-E
- USS Thunderchild
- USS Enterprise-B
- USS Reliant

chase ship:
- USS Saratoga (modified Reliant)

Yeah I want that Farragut and Stargazer. Man would I like the ships from the MM set III. There are so many obscure ships in there from Voyager, but the prices are way too high. :shocked:


If I had to choose the ships for a new wave of F-Toys, I would choose:


- USS Kelvin
- USS Enterprise (new)
- Valdor Romulan Cruiser (Nemesis)
- Andorian Cruiser (Enterprise)
- Maquis Raider

Chase ship - Borg Sphere

There's a few more for wave 3, but we'll get to that. :thumbsup:

Blue2th
06-25-2009, 12:09 PM
There's a guy making the Kelvin & new Enterprise, they don't look too bad, he's got some other cool stuff if I were a rich man

Kelvin:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-Fasa-micro-machine-NEW-Kelvin-A-Scout_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a10Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a2Q7c294Q3 a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c4fbe7a65 QQitemZ190316444261QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f2QQsa lenotsupported

Enterprise:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-Fasa-micro-machine-1701-USS-Enterprise-Cuiser_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c29 3Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZi tem2c4fbe8505QQitemZ190316446981QQptZLHQ5fDefaultD omainQ5f2QQsalenotsupported

Darth Duranium
06-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Spec, shame they're only 3" long, like the keychains. 4" long and I'd find them hard to resist. I'm waiting for my new keychain Ent to arrive so I'll let youzes know how crap that one really is in person.

There's good news about the shuttle, Blue

The mockup ... was awaiting an uncertain fate in a storage yard along the Harbor Freeway in Los Angeles.
Later it was purchased and completely restored.

http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/STShuttlecraft/GalileoTop.htm

That would have been a truly undignified death...

That filming miniature's monotone grey but that's probably just the new TNG paintjob... no pics of it before the restoration.

DW, I'd go for:

Ent E
Ent C (where's the love?)
Ent 2009
Scimitar
Kelvin

Thunderchild or some other Akira-class would be an awesome chase

I'd love to see a shuttle collection, too.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-25-2009, 01:11 PM
Tough decisions. I don't like to collect duplicate vessels—with only the registry changed to protect the innocent—at least until I'm satisfied that my collection of all the different ships is substantial enough. Also, at least for the time being in an effort to not overwhelm myself, I'm only collecting "Enterprise-based" ships (no VOY or DS9) So, with that in mind...

Ent 2009
Kelvin
1701-A Shuttlecraft (Copernicus or Galileo)
Botany Bay (the MM might be decent enough, I won't know 'til I get one)
Future Ent D (Furuta's is shameful)

The Thunderchild or a Vulcan ship would be nice, too.

Blue2th
06-25-2009, 01:15 PM
I could replace one in there with the Enterprise C, or Excaliber.

We really haven't gotten the Excelsior done in the right size yet. It's close to the B but different hull lines (you can check that at the Ex Astris Science site you linked earlier Specter- cool site btw) http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/excelsior1.htm
So maybe replace the chase ship with that, or another.

Lots of shuttles like you say DT to choose from.

I do like that Thunderchild and some other ships from First Contact. You can tell the NX-01's design was influenced by it.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/firstcontact1.htm

Darth Duranium
06-25-2009, 04:52 PM
Botany Bay (the MM might be decent enough, I won't know 'til I get one)
Ent C (Furuta's is shameful)

Yeah, a decent BB would be nice. The MM one is well-scaled to go with your JL Ent but it's not much to write home about, really. I've seen a few expensive 4" garage kits but not much else.

I like the Furuta Ent C... what don't you like about it, Spec? It's a little too blue but it's not so bad... and it's not like there are any other options...:(

I guess we all agree that an Akira-class is long overdue... it looks great in FC, IMO. Anybody spot the Millennium Falcon escaping the Borg Cube in the same scene? They've admitted that they snuck it in. And here's a pic of the incognito Falcon in Blade Runner, too. :D

BTW, wasn't the HMS Thunderchild from HG Wells' War of the Worlds? I could be wrong...

Sorry Blue... you posted the 3" model pics... apparently, I can't read.:) They're pretty good... hmmm.....

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-25-2009, 05:00 PM
I like the Furuta Ent C... what don't you like about it, Spec? It's a little too blue but it's not so bad... and it's not like there are any other options...:(



Oops, sorry, I meant the Future Ent. D not the C. (I've edited my post.) My bad. I don't have the C yet, but like you say, DT, there are no alternatives.

But wait...

There are always alternatives.
—Spock (The Galileo Seven)

Darth Duranium
06-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Was that Spock, Goateed Mirror Spock, Junior Spock, or Spock Prime? :D

Blue2th
06-25-2009, 06:19 PM
"Botany Bay....BOTANY BAY!... We've got to get out of here right now!" :bandit:


Which junior Spock? Wasn't there like five of them? :)

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-25-2009, 10:56 PM
"Botany Bay....BOTANY BAY!... We've got to get out of here right now!" :bandit:



You hawe to vork on your accent, comrade. :D

Darth Duranium
06-26-2009, 12:17 AM
Especially hilarious considering Chekov wasn't in "Space Seed" and never met Khan.

Darth Windu
06-26-2009, 12:44 AM
Blue - yeah the MM Farragut is great, the Stargazer isn't bad except it's bright yellow like the model in Picards ready room, as opposed to the blue-grey of the actual ship. I have quite a few Stargazer's actually, should be able to spare one - will check.

Spec - the Furuta Ent-C is actually quite nice. The pasers are only painted on instead of being sculpted, but still it is a good production of the ship.

Also the MM Botany Bay is good, but lacks a few details mainly because to add them would've been difficult and flimsy, easy to break off.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Especially hilarious considering Chekov wasn't in "Space Seed" and never met Khan.

Now, now... Khan did say he didn't know Chekov. So no inconsistency there. And I'm sure Pavel had been aware of the history of Khan and his exile to Ceti Alpha V. I'm sure it may have been in the back of his mind especially since he was sent to the "area." I'm not sayin', Im just saying...

Blue2th
06-26-2009, 07:36 PM
You hawe to vork on your accent, comrade. :D

I shall consider that...especially ven talking about wessles. :squareeye

Actually Khan mentioned "I never forget a face" maybe he was a lower ranking crew member till he got promoted to ensign. Kinda like Wesswee Crusher, only he didn't have to wear those zip up the back pants. lol

Darth Duranium
06-26-2009, 09:40 PM
wikipedia:
Koenig would often joke that Khan's remembrance and wrath stemmed from Chekov's taking too long in the bathroom, forcing Khan to wait, and also using up all the toilet paper.

:D

Something faintly disturbing about wearing pants with the zip in the back... funny Wuss-ley comment, Blue.:)

My favourite Crusher's the one from the Bugs Bunny cartoon...

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-26-2009, 09:44 PM
Actually Khan mentioned "I never forget a face" ...

Oh yeah, you're right, I confused Khan's vords.

Darth Windu
06-26-2009, 10:54 PM
Well there still isn't necessarily an inconsistency there. I mean Khan might have just been boasting! So if there had been more Starfleet crew there, Khan might have said:

To Chekov: You. I never forget a face
To SF crew member 1: You. I have a huge package
To SF crew member 2: You. I work out twice daily
To SF crew member 3: You. I have an awesome immune system

and so on :D

Blue2th
06-26-2009, 10:56 PM
"Photon torpeeeeeedoss avvaaaaayyee"!!!!

Just won a full set of ST F-Toys by firing off a bid during the last 10 seconds. Turns out I didn't need to cause no one else bid, but better safe than sorry.
Total of $44 with shipping. Not as good as a few months ago, but better than the average prices now.

Now comes the slow wait from Japan, but I'm happy.

JediTricks
06-27-2009, 01:42 AM
JT, I still think the ship sections (Trek, SW et al) could be cross-linked, if you're (understandably) reluctant to move/merge anything. Beyond that, I'm easy either way, so long as we don't get mixed in with figs. I haven't made up my mind about this yet. I don't understand what you mean by "cross-linked" though.


I can't believe I'm seeing the Shuttle in a junkyard. :cry:Yeah, heartbreaking. I wonder if this is more NBC foolishness, they gave away the captain's chair to a high school drama class, and parted out the sets to prop stores. I think the '70s SNL sketch actually ended up USING much of the bridge sets before they were given completely away, no less. NBC threw away a gold mine and ruined the show's chances of returning on ABC.

I think it's not a junkyard but a hollywood wheels rental storage place.

I believe there's a SUPER rare 1960s Dodge 4-door power wagon parked next to it as well.



There's a guy making the Kelvin & new Enterprise, they don't look too bad, he's got some other cool stuff if I were a rich man

Kelvin:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-Fasa-micro-machine-NEW-Kelvin-A-Scout_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a10Q7c66Q3a2 Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a2Q7c294Q3 a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c4fbe7a65 QQitemZ190316444261QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f2QQsa lenotsupported

Enterprise:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Trek-Fasa-micro-machine-1701-USS-Enterprise-Cuiser_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c29 3Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZi tem2c4fbe8505QQitemZ190316446981QQptZLHQ5fDefaultD omainQ5f2QQsalenotsupported
I think it's funny that he ends the auctions with a giant, red "2009 All rights reserved by Nashstar. Unauthoried reporduction is a violation of applicable laws. Unauthorized copying is punishable under federal law."
- Think someone should tell him that his own auction is an unauthorized reproduction and even moreso a violation of applicable laws (specifically, copyright and trademark laws)? :p He's even using Trek terminology and iconography in his fleet builder logo at the top of each auction to ensure that lawsuits are set to "kill".

Blue2th
06-27-2009, 06:42 PM
Too bad about the shuttlecraft and the set pieces. Hopefully someone with some foresight rescued them. By now I'm sure that Powerwagon is being restored if it didn't get crushed.

I thought that was strange too the things that guy was saying on ebay, like he's some official Star Trek miniatures maker. He is pretty good, and a little better than some of the other custom ship makers, but I doubt if he's got a special license.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-27-2009, 09:00 PM
I haven't made up my mind about this yet. I don't understand what you mean by "cross-linked" though.


I'm not sure what you mean by "cross-linking" ST and SW, but I hope you are not considering merging ST w/ SW. I personally have nil interest in SW, so my vote on that—if there's any democracy on the issue—would be no.

JediTricks
06-28-2009, 02:29 PM
Too bad about the shuttlecraft and the set pieces. Hopefully someone with some foresight rescued them. By now I'm sure that Powerwagon is being restored if it didn't get crushed. Sadly, the Power Wagon was probably crushed, that picture looked pretty vintage and there wasn't a lot of thought given to those sorts of things back then.


I thought that was strange too the things that guy was saying on ebay, like he's some official Star Trek miniatures maker. He is pretty good, and a little better than some of the other custom ship makers, but I doubt if he's got a special license.He's got a special license to get his *** banned if he gets caught over there. :p


I'm not sure what you mean by "cross-linking" ST and SW, but I hope you are not considering merging ST w/ SW. I personally have nil interest in SW, so my vote on that—if there's any democracy on the issue—would be no.No, we're talking about the fact that there are 2 Star Trek ship collecting threads going on right now, and whether to merge them into 1 ship collecting thread or not. DT suggested "cross-linking" them instead of merging, but I don't know what he meant by that.

We have a whole forum dedicated to collecting the SW ships, no need to cram this thread into any of those (although there was an existing Trek thread in there).

Darth Duranium
06-28-2009, 03:44 PM
All I suggested was putting a sticky link to the Trek ships in the SW Titanium section, and vice-versa. If the various ships threads (SW, Trek) were merged into a single Ships directory (not the same thread!), I'd be fine with that too.

My brain hurts, as Blue says. I don't care any more, to be honest. Whatever happens is fine. :thumbsup:



Just won a full set of ST F-Toys by firing off a bid during the last 10 seconds. Turns out I didn't need to cause no one else bid, but better safe than sorry.
Total of $44 with shipping. Not as good as a few months ago, but better than the average prices now.

Now comes the slow wait from Japan, but I'm happy.

Congrats, Blue... I'm sure they'll be appreciated and well cared-for. The price hasn't gone up much.

I find that stuff from Japan and HK gets to me ridiculously fast... as few as 3 days(!) Tokyo to Toronto! SAL (cheap) shipping is always very fast, too.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-30-2009, 02:24 PM
How can no one make a 1701-D Type 7 Shuttle? :upset:

JediTricks
06-30-2009, 02:42 PM
Probably because it was developed with a model company the way the TOS version was, and there was a licensing snag. Either that, or because it's a bloated electric shaver.

Blue2th
06-30-2009, 03:48 PM
Sleek looking, my favorite shuttle,. and seen a lot on TNG. I was looking for a MM the other day in that model and found it wasn't made.

Found all my Hallmarks the other day. Couple of shuttles in there, some large shuttles in there like the Rio Grande and the Delta flyer is huge.

Need to get the Micro Machine Delta Flyer and the Motion Picture shuttle.
I like them in a smaller MM size, because they go better with the larger AA ships for display, and are decent in their detailing to match.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-30-2009, 04:24 PM
Need to get the Micro Machine Motion Picture shuttle.


Which one are you referring to, specifically?

JediTricks
06-30-2009, 04:49 PM
There's only one Micro Machines shuttle from TMP, the Vulcan Shuttle Surak. I'm guessing though that he may be referring to the Space Dock Shuttle but that's from ST3.

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-30-2009, 05:15 PM
There's only one Micro Machines shuttle from TMP, the Vulcan Shuttle Surak. I'm guessing though that he may be referring to the Space Dock Shuttle but that's from ST3.

He must be referring to the Vulcan one because I don't think anybody makes the pod, except for an 8"-10" mahogany log that'll cost you: http://cgi.ebay.com/Viewer-Star-Trek-Travel-Pod-Wood-Model-Free-Ship-New_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116Q QhashZitem51879546fbQQitemZ350167058171QQptZLHQ5fD efaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported

Blue2th
06-30-2009, 05:45 PM
Yeah, I meant ST3. :cross-eye
Though that other one from ST1 would be cool too.

Found a cool site for MM reference, (unless there's one hidden here somewhere)

http://m2museum.com/StarTrek/StarTrek.htm

Spectre o'the Phaser
06-30-2009, 05:51 PM
Yeah, I meant ST3. :cross-eye
Though that other one from ST1 would be cool too.

Found a cool site for MM reference, (unless there's one hidden here somewhere)

http://m2museum.com/StarTrek/StarTrek.htm

That is indeed a great reference site! Thanks.

Darth Duranium
06-30-2009, 07:47 PM
Speaking of MM's, I just got the 2009 Ent keychain... here's a few pics. MM on the right.

I was hoping it was a bit bigger but it'll do for now, I guess. The painted detail on the bottom of the saucer is so light it's almost not there, and their choice to drill 3 holes for the chain (2 in the "saucer" and 1 in the "neck") is not exactly great.

With 5 minutes work, it could easily be a MM. I'll probably replace the chain with a bit of fishing line and hang it with the others on the shelf... or use it as a keychain.:crazed:

I'd like a Type 7 shuttle, too. Only seen garage kits... wouldn't say no to any of the Voyager shuttles either.

That Hallmark Delta Flyer is among my favourites, Blue.... amazingly bright lights and awesome detail.

Hey, has anyone ever bought anything from that Filipino "mahogany log" guy? Just curious...

One of my holy grails is the Vulcan ship toy from First Contact/Mirror Darkly that was sold at the ST store in Vegas. They go for hundreds now... hmmm.... can't find a pic.

Blue2th
06-30-2009, 08:42 PM
Speaking of MM's, I just got the 2009 Ent keychain... here's a few pics. MM on the right.

I was hoping it was a bit bigger but it'll do for now, I guess. The painted detail on the bottom of the saucer is so light it's almost not there, and their choice to drill 3 holes for the chain (2 in the "saucer" and 1 in the "neck") is not exactly great.

With 5 minutes work, it could easily be a MM. I'll probably replace the chain with a bit of fishing line and hang it with the others on the shelf... or use it as a keychain.:crazed:

I'd like a Type 7 shuttle, too. Only seen garage kits... wouldn't say no to any of the Voyager shuttles either.

That Hallmark Delta Flyer is among my favourites, Blue.... amazingly bright lights and awesome detail.

Hey, has anyone ever bought anything from that Filipino "mahogany log" guy? Just curious...

One of my holy grails is the Vulcan ship toy from First Contact/Mirror Darkly that was sold at the ST store in Vegas. They go for hundreds now... hmmm.... can't find a pic.
Are you talking about this ship in FC? http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/stmagazine/tplana-hath.jpg
I seem to remember it being for sale a short time online, then it disappeared.

I like the Hallmark Delta Flyer. It's more of an Action Fleet size. probably look good next to the Captain's Yacht resin statue (I found that too)

I'm missing a few of the newer battery operated Hallmarks, like the Reliant, TOS 1701 (re-issue) and the 1701A

Looks like they intentionally made the 09' Enterprise keychain that way to prevent any MM fans from capitalizing on it. Shame, it does look more rigid than the MM next to it. I saw a guy on ebay who did the surgery to it, and was selling it. It didn't look very good.

Darth Duranium
06-30-2009, 10:28 PM
Are you talking about this ship in FC?
I seem to remember it being for sale a short time online, then it disappeared.

That site blocked your hotlink but I found some pics. Wish I'd picked it up back then... a unique design. I wonder if the Japanese will ever get around to it?


I like the Hallmark Delta Flyer. It's more of an Action Fleet size. probably look good next to the Captain's Yacht resin statue Yeah, many of the HMs are half-way between TS and AF... or JL and Strike Force in Trek parlance....and there's no common scale. The Yacht and Flyer look excellent together. :D


I'm missing a few of the newer battery operated Hallmarks, like the Reliant, TOS 1701 (re-issue) and the 1701A

The other 2 are great but skippable.... you probably have a bunch of 1701As and Reliants already anyway. The lights are outstanding, but they don't stay on.

I can't say enough about the "new" HM TOS Ent. It rocks my world! I display it year-round on my desk. Not perfect but so seamless and elegant. I don't have the '91 version... it's still too pricey for what you get, IMO.


Looks like they intentionally made the 09' Enterprise keychain that way to prevent any MM fans from capitalizing on it. Shame, it does look more rigid than the MM next to it. I saw a guy on ebay who did the surgery to it, and was selling it. It didn't look very good.

It is quite rigid and it's not really that bad a repro for its size... the Playmates one ain't much better. Still, the holes blow for MM conversions, unless you're good at this scale (I'm clearly not). The ship actually balances quite well when it's dangling on the chain... that's my theory as to why the holes are like that.

Darth Windu
06-30-2009, 10:51 PM
Need to get the Micro Machine Delta Flyer and the Motion Picture shuttle.
Actually there is no MM Delta Flyer, unless you're talking about the Voyager Shuttle? (Type 9 I think)

It's a pity actually, I think I'm only missing about 2 STMM's and pretty sure I have every SWMM except for a few character packs and ships/vehicles that only came with playsets.

nooker21
07-03-2009, 01:38 AM
Can anyone recommend a good trading forum for these small scale ships? I hate blind boxes and have had rotten luck when I buy them individually, yet I don't think I'd get much for them on ebay, so I'm hopeful someone can point me to a place where I can do 1 for 1 trades...

JediTricks
07-03-2009, 05:39 PM
He must be referring to the Vulcan one because I don't think anybody makes the pod, except for an 8"-10" mahogany log that'll cost you: http://cgi.ebay.com/Viewer-Star-Trek-Travel-Pod-Wood-Model-Free-Ship-New_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116Q QhashZitem51879546fbQQitemZ350167058171QQptZLHQ5fD efaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported
For a wood model, that looks pretty good. But for their price, they REALLY should have included a lot more photos.

Why a wood model?



Looks like they intentionally made the 09' Enterprise keychain that way to prevent any MM fans from capitalizing on it. Shame, it does look more rigid than the MM next to it. I saw a guy on ebay who did the surgery to it, and was selling it. It didn't look very good.IMO, they did it this way to prevent as much breakage as possible, as these keychains ALWAYS break and the neck is the weak point.

clone157
07-05-2009, 03:36 PM
Have you guys checked out ebay lately for jonny lightnings? People are wanting $70 for the AGT Ent-D! I think I'm sticking to furutas, f-toys, and my lovely konamis.

JediTricks
07-05-2009, 08:04 PM
Have you guys checked out ebay lately for jonny lightnings? People are wanting $70 for the AGT Ent-D! I think I'm sticking to furutas, f-toys, and my lovely konamis.Who the hell has the nerve to charge more for the JL AGT Enterprise than the DST version that's 20 times larger and has sounds and lights and saucer sep?!?

Blue2th
07-06-2009, 09:00 AM
Ouch! Some of the JL's are overpriced. They really are the best small scale D's but for those prices, nope the other brands are good. It's a shame Hot Wheels can't even put as much detail on a larger ship.
Wonder what's making them go up? The release of the AA's or the movie, or a combination of both?

The Vulcan Shuttle was released as an exclusive briefly like the Captain's Yacht, I think it was made the same out of resin. Is that a pic of it DT?

I get my shuttles confused DW, but you're right, no Delta Flyer MM. So many customs on ebay, I can't tell the difference, but not in MM set III, which comes up once in a while, but rather the Voyager Shuttle.
You can get what you're missing individually, but you got to fight the other bidders.

Now that I've got the F-Toys set on the way, next is the Konami set. Though I think I can live without the overpriced BOP.

Darth Windu
07-06-2009, 11:12 AM
Well of the STMM's, I'm only missing the Kazon Shuttle and Caretakers Array, everything else I have. Not in any huge hurry to get those two though so it's all good.

Darth Duranium
07-06-2009, 01:55 PM
Wonder what's making them go up? The release of the AA's or the movie, or a combination of both?

I think it's the popularity of the new flick that's driving the market... those JL AGT Ents were dirt-cheap last year, along with most Furutas. Major drag for those trying to catch up...:mad:



The Vulcan Shuttle was released as an exclusive briefly like the Captain's Yacht, I think it was made the same out of resin. Is that a pic of it DT?

Yep, that's it in the pics and it's resin, Blue. I've seen a few garage kits but this is the only officially released version of that ship, to my knowledge. Drool...



Now that I've got the F-Toys set on the way, next is the Konami set. Though I think I can live without the overpriced BOP.

I skipped the ridiculously-priced Konami BoP, too... got enough BoPs in the squadron.:) I think you'll like the Konamis, Blue... especially the Ent E and the Klingon BC...


Can anyone recommend a good trading forum for these small scale ships? I hate blind boxes and have had rotten luck when I buy them individually, yet I don't think I'd get much for them on ebay, so I'm hopeful someone can point me to a place where I can do 1 for 1 trades...

Nooker, you might try posting something on SSG if you're looking to trade ships... not sure exactly where, though :rolleyes:

Blue2th
07-06-2009, 02:51 PM
I've seen both MM up on ebay DW, but I think I'm going to try and score a whole set of MMIII. There's too many in there I want, so I'd end up spending the cash anyways.

Yeah DT, that Klingon BC ranks up there in detail with the F-Toys NX-01, from the looks of it. Of course I don't have either in my hands yet.

Plus I like the idea of the pearlescent paint on the Star Fleet ships. Didn't really know about that or remember till DW mentioned it earlier. That possibly makes them more attractive kinda like JL White Lightnings.

I was going to say, Nooker21 could just list what he's got, and what he's looking for right here.
Didn't Spectre just open up two of those F-Toys and get the same Enterprise both times?
I dunno I buy the sets to avoid that problem, plus they're not available individually like that in my area to my knowledge, or I might be tempted.