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JediTricks
10-22-2009, 11:11 PM
Please post your VOTE for up to 6 {six} of the questions provided in this thread, letting us know which ones you most want to see asked on November 13th. Keep in mind that your votes in round 75 do not count in this round, so if your question is still on the list you may want to vote for it again.

Also, feel free to post new questions. For reference, here are Hasbro's answers to previous SSG questions (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2_articleid=1934); and from other sites (http://www.sirstevesguide.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2_articleid=1936). The questions we asked last round can be found here (http://forums.sirstevesguide.com/showthread.php?p=701918#post701918).

Current questions (vote for up to 6):


- In a recent Q&A, you mentioned that "[Hasbro] will continue working with Sideshow on their 12" figure program." As we know, Sideshow sub-licenses their 12" Star Wars through Hasbro's Star Wars license, but the intricacies of this relationship are not fully understood. With your recent comment above, collectors are ever more curious as to how exactly Hasbro and Sideshow work together on that 12" figure line. What types of input does Hasbro have into the Star Wars items that Sideshow produces?
- Beyond Star Wars, many other franchises have tried their hand at Titanium Series - Battlestar Galactica, Indiana Jones, Marvel, Transformers, even Stargate was floated as being in some level of planning - yet they all eventually faded away from Titanium Series' light. What lessons has the Titanium Series team taken away from those other licenses' lines and their passings? For example, you put off the wave with the BSG Basestar and couldn't find a slot for this new tooling before the license ran out, yet you released a Starbuck repaint of the Viper mk 2 at theproverbial 11th hour (and didn't hit shelves until the 13th hour), an unusual distinction which fans don't really understand, and could use more behind-the-scenes insight into - why didn't that Basestar tooling get shoehorned into a later wave before the license with Universal ran out? Why release a repaint vehicle that won't satisfy fans as much, rather than an all-new mold which fans have been clamoring for?
- What was the decision making process behind creating a Jabba the Hutt animated figure instead of a Ziro the Hutt figure? Ziro has appeared in the Clone Wars series more than Jabba so far, and his animated behavior fits the Clone Wars animated series better than Jabba. Was it merely the character recognizability of Jabba, or the fact that you had existing accessories for him, or was the idea of an evil Truman Capote Hutt just too out-there for ya?
- Mace Windu has been represented in action figure form for 11 years now, and a large portion of those figures were released with some unique, non-standard aspect. Mace has been the first "sneak peek" and a mail-away in the modern line, the first hard-shell "choco" robe, AOTC had a deluxe before basic which has a smiling face and a second figure, AOTC basic had the screaming face, 2003 AOTC basic had the "ultimate lightsaber control" stick gimmick, ROTS had the Force Lightning throw-off gimmick, and now the Clone Wars version with removable armor and saber-swinging waist. While there have been a few normal Mace figures, and even a super-articulated one finally, it seems as if Mace Windu has been tapped by Hasbro to be the sculpting and gimmick guinea pig. Is this pattern intentional, do you think he can't sell without these sorts of things, is it just happenstance, or does someone there subliminally not realize they keep picking Mace to be the test guy?
- In this year's SDCC slideshow presentation, you previewed the first Knights of the Old Republic comic-pack, which features Rohlan Dyre and Jarael. Why though is the series main protagonist Zayne not included in the first KOTOR pack? Any chance we will be seeing him released soon after that pack, or at least at some point?
- In The Force Unleashed, Admiral Ozzik Sturn piloted an AT-KT (All Terrain Kashyyyk Transport) in a boss battle against our hero and the enslaved Wookiees. The AT-KT is merely a heavier-armed version of the AT-ST. Now that we have a new AT-ST coming out, might Hasbro be willing to do a modified version for the AT-KT as well?
- On the new red & white cards for Legacy Collection, the character photos in the upper corner are rather bizarre works this time around and lead to several questions. Why are so many of the characters holding their weapons near their faces for the images? Some sabers and guns make sense, but other accessories look odd like on the Gungan Warrior card. A few are out of scale, like Slave Leia's vibro-staff. And why are some characters using images from other movies, like Sidious Hologram using a picture from ROTJ, or Luke Jedi using an ANH likeness, or Romba altered to sub for Paploo? And what is with the "artist's interpretation" image for Malakili that looks like an oil painting? While these might seem like minor nitpicks, after a few years of quality card character art, these really stand out and take the line back a few steps. Doesn't the line deserve better?
- Has there been any thought to creating a repaint of Clone Wars C-3PO in his "Droids" cartoon coloring? This mold is already fairly cartoony in design and realization. It would make a nifty collectible for fans of the classic cartoon, yet also could work for new collectors unfamiliar with the series as an alternate protocol droid with a unique color scheme. Any chance of seeing this happen from Hasbro, or would it have to show up in the new cartoon first to even be considered?
- The Clone Wars line has been a boon for its droid designs, but is following suit from the realistic lines with the sagging leg problems. This is especially noticeable on Clone Wars Battle Droids and General Grievous. Yet in the same line, IG-86 and the Commando Droid don't suffer this, the difference being that they have ankle joints while the BD and Grievous figures do not. It seems like the joints take stress off the thin leg elements helping cope with wilting issues, and that's a pretty big deal. Obviously including either knee or ankle articulation on them isn't a cheap undertaking, but it seems like a necessary one in the scheme of things since if a figure can't stand up, it's going to be far less fun. Any possibility of including one type of lower leg articulation or another on future versions of these figures as this partial solution to this long-time problem?
- One of your answers in the September 10th round mentioned that R2-X2 is a corrected version of the droid that came in the Entertainment Earth Exclusive set. Another figure in one of those sets, R3-T2, was also painted incorrectly in comparison to its onscreen counterpart. The version you released had a white dome with a metallic brown stripe, while it should have a red dome with white panels. Are there any plans to release a corrected version of R3-T2 down the line?
- Have you considered sealing magnets into figures' feet and including metal stands to avoid the numerous problems that have come up with footpeg holes over the years? Kotobukiya is doing that with their new ARTFX+ line of statue kits to great success, and although 3.75" figures are a smaller medium, magnetic feet would go well with your action figure line with all its challenges keeping figures standing.
- We've now seen Hasbro imagery of deluxe Anakin with Desert Sport Skiff, and us old-fogey collectors who have been around since 1996 are quite surprised to see that accessory's return. It wasn't exactly popular back in the day, its styling wasn't that Star Warsy, and its wobbly guns didn't help much, yet now we have it back for a whole new generation of Star Wars collectors. The other 1996 deluxe releases - Crowd Control Stormtrooper, Han Solo with Flight Pack, and Boba Fett with Mega Jetpack of Doom - weren't exactly crowd-pleasers either, but will we be seeing any of them re-released? Though the idea of a small vehicle for Anakin makes sense, re-releasing this piece seems like such an odd choice. Could you guide us through the thought process on this one? Did the failure of the original influence the decision at all?
- Back in January, we asked about what happens to pulled-back pegwarming figures, and at the time you hadn't bought back some in a while so your answer focused on other methods of using the packaged figures, but on October 2nd you answered another site that this year's pulled-pack figures were being destroyed. How exactly are they being destroyed, and are those destroyed materials being recycled in some manner, or are they just destined to become landfill? Can Hasbro further clarify the details of this issue and address rationale behind this measure which could negative effects on the environment?
- With the new deluxe vehicle assortment consistent of the ARC-170 repaint and the Clone Wars Y-wing, there seems to be a focus on raising prices in the line across the board, though that scale's jump from $30 to $60+ is especially noteworthy. Basic figures are $8 or more now, comic packs have gone up $4, battle packs and vehicles are going up around $5, deluxe figure & vehicle packs are a pricey $17, the last dribs and drabs of Titanium Series are over $8, Force FX sabers have gone up $20, and exclusives pricing is all over the map. Clearly, the economic turmoil over the last few years has hit the Hasbro Star Wars brand exceptionally hard, but don't these prices seem harder and harder to justify for both hardcore and casual collectors? We know you are trying to do your best to keep the line alive, but right now collectors are very concerned about the brand's future, and see the price-hikes as the culprit to its possible downfall. Raising prices is a downward spiral. Isn't there some way to better split the costs hikes between customers and profit margins, before there are virtually no customers left to eke profit margins out of, and the line folds?
- With the Wedge Antilles X-wing Fighter set, you have a great-looking boxed set there, but it's marred by one odd choice: the nifty kill-marks are printed on white paper stickers rather than clear transparent ones, which look terrible on the ship. Why go with the white-backed stickers over the transparent ones? If this was a factory error, and we're hoping it is, will there be a reissued set of stickers on clear backing?
- With the updating of Imperial trooper figures lately to have more accurate designs and sharper sculpting, the Biker Scout is so far one of those figures left out. Although one of the "vintage-style" figures, the existing Scout figure could use some upgrades including sharper armor and undersuit sculpting, a slightly larger helmet, more accurate arms including the missing elbowpads, less bulky shoulders, and better range of motion for the head, knees, torso and hips. How likely are we to see an updated Biker Scout figure like this? What would hold something like this back from being delivered in the foreseeable future?
- On the latest TIE Interceptor's packaging, the box art on the front has a highly-detailed ship which is not actually representing the toy, the back of the box imagery does that. However, while the new cockpit pod is a great improvement, that art highlights the wings being the same existing designs we've had for the last 3 decades, and their size and lack of detail really shows compared to the new pod. Granted, you've just released a TIE Interceptor so it's not like we're going to see new wings next week. But hypothetically, how far in the future might fans have to wait to get a set of updated TIE Interceptor wings to match the quality of the new pod?
- Wizard/ToyFare's Fans Choice top 30 poll has begun, but a few anomalies have cropped up that we'd like to get official word on. First is the picture of Bom Vimdin, the image comes from the Holiday Special rather than ANH, which version would we get should he win? Same with the ROTS Palpatine pic being from the scene where he announces the formation of the Empire rather than the claimed Senate Duel look, which would we get? There's also the suggestions that Cliegg Lars might have removable legs yet no mention of his hoverchair, and that Queen Apailana might get packed with another Naboo character despite being closer in size to a full-sized adult character than a youngling and not remotely Comic Pack-worthy. So would Cliegg likely have removable legs and/or his hoverchair, and would Apailana likely come with a second Naboo character?
- Although Aayla Secura is getting a Clone Wars figure in 2010, your answer about a new realistic version said it didn't make the cut for 2010 and may have to be an exclusive. What about, instead of that trouble, just revisiting the ROTS mold and tooling up a new set of arms? You don't even need to tool up hands or the right shoulder since that figure has satisfactory versions of both, just new arms with working elbow joints. That could be a significant budget savings, she could be in one of those re-release waves that occasionally come out, and you'd get another popular Jedi figure definitively made. Any chance of seeing this happen in the foreseeable future?
- To some SW fans, Luke is THE hero of the saga, and is seen as never more triumphant and important than his final cinematic duel in the throne room of the 2nd Death Star. Yet Hasbro has dragged their feet every time with this iteration of Luke, despite releasing 6 Luke Jabba's Palace costumes in just the last 5 years (TLC '08, TAC '07, TSC '06, OTC '04, 2 different figures for Saga '04). In the past 14 years of the modern line there have been just 3 Luke Death Star IIs, and all are incomplete in some way: POTF2 Cinema Scene 1997 (preposed, soft sculpt, limited articulation), Saga 2003 (limited articulation due to action gimmick, preposed, Harpo Marx face), and now TLC 2009 (ill-fitting recycled limbs, wasp waist and odd proportions accented by reused limbs, incorrect belt, odd hand poses); and that's putting aside the whole "wrong lightsaber accessory every single time" issue. Now you've answered another site that the belt won't be corrected in this run, which suggests we won't be seeing Luke DS2 for a while again. We do appreciate that you've been trying to get the design better this time, but whether conscious of it or not, Hasbro clearly seems to have a problem with Luke Death Star II, so what is that problem? Who is drinking the Haterade, why does Luke DS2 keep getting the short end of the stick?
- The new dewback looks to be a pretty nifty item, however, its appearance has some fans scratching their heads. The fact that it's packed with a sandtrooper and the appropriate riding gear would lead one to believe that this is supposed to be from A New Hope. Yet its green skin and smaller, more pointed face would seem to indicate The Phantom Menace as its source; and it even looks like it took some inspiration from the vintage version. It's been suggested that this is now LFL's "official" look for the beast, but this set is supposed to represent what's in ANH which this doesn't seem to be. What was the thinking behind designing this piece in such a way, why wasn't a more true-to-ANH look adopted?
- The new Battle Droid figures in the Geonosis Arena Showdown sets are quite nice, but there are a few issues too, aside from the eye design problem which you've already talked about. On the long-awaited commander, the yellow chest circle is positioned incorrectly, it should be moved up a bit, as was shown correctly on the package art, as well as the 1999 OOM-9 figure and the 2007 Saga Legends two-pack figure. Then there's the issue of arm position: in the films, whenever the droids hold their blasters, they do so with both hands, yet Battle Droid figures from the last 4 years still can't do this, despite this new sculpt being made as a big upgrade. And finally, there's the the battle droid neck, which is assembled backwards with the angle bar in the front instead of in the back, and separately it telescopes into the torso rather than pivots down the way it does in the films, especially odd since we've had previous Battle Droid figures that could pivot. What caused these issues? It can be assumed that the Target sets won't be modified, but before either of these droids gets re-released, will we see any of these issues addressed?
- Recently, you gave an answer about Malakili and Willrow Hood that they were to be released in the same quantity, "the lowest of the fall releases, 30% lower than the lowest-run figures from 2005 until Spring 2008". We know Hasbro policy is to not talk hard numbers, but could you give us percentages on those types of "hardcore collector-interest" figures against the most popular and thus heaviest run figures in Legacy, as well as Saga Legends, and even Clone Wars? And heck, while we're at it, how much higher than the Malakili floor was Yarna's run? We hardcore collector types are always curious about how much risk the brand takes on our limited-interest figures vs. more mainstream entries, and it'd be helpful to inform us why it's more complex to run the line than some collectors' arguments of "just make that guy and everybody will buy it".
- With the 2008 Medical Frigate Luke figure, the figure almost fits the bill for Echo Base recovery scene Luke, if not for the open mechanical arm, and the different likeness with scars and Hoth hairstyle. That scene also has 2 other characters whose figures are in dire need of updating: Leia Hoth, and 2-1B, both of which haven't seen new figure designs in over a decade. With a Recovery Luke figure, it'd just be a new head required (the body and undamaged forearm tooling already exists from the VOTC figure) so you could also include the mask he wore in that scene's less-infamous cut footage (we're not asking you to make kissing Luke & Leia, you'll have to decide if you're twisted enough to go there ;-) ). So, any chances of knocking the Echo Base Recovery scene out of the park by making new 2-1B, Leia Hoth, and Luke recovery figures?
- In a recent answer, Hasbro stated that there won't be an ANH wave in 2010, the next one being the beginning of 2011. Does that mean there won't be any new Cantina figures released in '10, or is it possible we might see 1 or 2 in a battle pack, a comic pack, an exclusive, or perhaps even another venue? If the answer is "no", is a Cantina figure planned for that early '11 basic figure wave, and if so, who?

Vote now, and suggest new questions too. Thanks for participating!

Gothiczartan
10-23-2009, 12:41 AM
I vote for 19

vger
10-23-2009, 04:25 PM
How about an update to the ARC Troopers? If you used the currently shipping Saga Legends Clone Trooper mold, added a rangefinder to the head, and added a soft-goods kama/skirt (so they can sit down), you would have the perfect ARC Trooper! This would be a great way to release an updated Captain Fordo, updated blue ARCs, and even yellow and green (just off-screen). The removable helmets don't hold their shape well, so non-removable helmets would be preferred. Please remember the helmet stripes go all the way down the front of the helmet, unlike the incorrect Fordo in the Hunt for Grievous Battle Pack.

Ando
10-23-2009, 04:39 PM
6

11

12

14

15

And I throw my support to vger's ARC Trooper question.

BLm41101
10-23-2009, 10:19 PM
I have a question.
Why are so many figures made with thier hands molded so they can't hold thier weapons? I just bought the comic pack with Darth Krayt and his hands are so open that he can't hold his lightsabers, and the Lumiya and Luke pack is made so that neither one of them can hold thier weapons.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-24-2009, 01:24 AM
New question:

*The new dewback looks to be a pretty great item. However, its appearance has some fans scratching their heads. The fact that it's packed with a sandtrooper and the appropriate riding gear would lead one to believe that this is supposed to be from A New Hope. However, its green skin and smaller, more pointed face would seem to indicate The Phantom Menace as its source. Heck, it even looks like it took some inspiration from the vintage version! What was the thought process behind designing this piece and why wasn't a more true-to-ANH look adopted?

sonofsokol
10-24-2009, 02:01 AM
This may not be a satisfactory response, but Rebelscum has the following listed as a "Point of interest" regarding the new Dewback


Although this set is based on the scene from A New Hope, the anatomy of the Dewback is based on the creature's appearance in The Phantom Menace, which is now the official look for the beast.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-24-2009, 02:06 AM
Yeah, that was partly why I wanted to ask. RS blows a lot of things out of proportion, including that now being "official" (and they constantly say that figures are from the EU if they have accessories that they didn't directly use on-screen). What is that even supposed to mean, that this is how dewbacks look in books now, or what? I'd still like to hear what Hasbro's stance on this is.

Adam
10-24-2009, 11:40 AM
New question:

Were Hasbro representatives told to inform the stores that they were recently removing figures from, what they were doing? The two Target stores I have worked at since then had the same problem. The stores inventory system had about 10 Legacy Collection figures shown in store - when there were actually none on the pegs or even in the stockroom. No figures were being sold so of course no figures were ordered. I was able to get the count reset at my current store and we've had a steady stream of legacy figures since. Many stores only reset their counts during major revisions - the last of which was in July. My theory is that the current bottleneck is in part caused by this possible lack of communication from the Hasbro reps to the stores. What do you think about this?

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-24-2009, 01:09 PM
Another (possibly) new one:
*The super-articulated battle droid sculpts in the Geonosis Arena Showdown sets are quite nice, but there are a few issues that prevent them from being perfect. On the long-awaited commander, for instance, the yellow circle is positioned incorrectly - it should be moved up a bit, as was done more or less correctly on the package art, the 1999 OOM-9 figure, and the 2007 Saga Legends two-pack figure. Then there's the eye issue - the commander has huge eyes while the infantry droid has none. Was all the eye paint budget used on the commander, or what? Then there's the issue of the arm position. In the films, whenever the droids hold their blasters, they do so with both hands. We asked about this a while ago, but a reminder is always nice, eh? So, how about it? It can be assumed that the Target sets won't be modified, but before either of these droids gets re-released, will we see any of these issues addressed?

JediTricks
10-24-2009, 03:35 PM
Questions 21-22 added.


How about an update to the ARC Troopers? If you used the currently shipping Saga Legends Clone Trooper mold, added a rangefinder to the head, and added a soft-goods kama/skirt (so they can sit down), you would have the perfect ARC Trooper! This would be a great way to release an updated Captain Fordo, updated blue ARCs, and even yellow and green (just off-screen). The removable helmets don't hold their shape well, so non-removable helmets would be preferred. Please remember the helmet stripes go all the way down the front of the helmet, unlike the incorrect Fordo in the Hunt for Grievous Battle Pack.What's wrong with the existing Clone Wars 1 ARC Trooper, aside from the kama and lack of holsters and the fact that it hasn't been re-released lately?



I have a question.
Why are so many figures made with thier hands molded so they can't hold thier weapons? I just bought the comic pack with Darth Krayt and his hands are so open that he can't hold his lightsabers, and the Lumiya and Luke pack is made so that neither one of them can hold thier weapons.Any other examples? I do agree that the expressive hand poses are getting out of control, ANH Obi-Wan and ROTJ Luke are other recent examples, but they can hold their weapons, just not well. I'd like to really go for it with a question like this, but it needs more examples to prove it's not an isolated issue.



New question:

*The new dewback looks to be a pretty great item. However, its appearance has some fans scratching their heads. The fact that it's packed with a sandtrooper and the appropriate riding gear would lead one to believe that this is supposed to be from A New Hope. However, its green skin and smaller, more pointed face would seem to indicate The Phantom Menace as its source. Heck, it even looks like it took some inspiration from the vintage version! What was the thought process behind designing this piece and why wasn't a more true-to-ANH look adopted?Ok, I'll add that.



New question:

Were Hasbro representatives told to inform the stores that they were recently removing figures from, what they were doing? The two Target stores I have worked at since then had the same problem. The stores inventory system had about 10 Legacy Collection figures shown in store - when there were actually none on the pegs or even in the stockroom. No figures were being sold so of course no figures were ordered. I was able to get the count reset at my current store and we've had a steady stream of legacy figures since. Many stores only reset their counts during major revisions - the last of which was in July. My theory is that the current bottleneck is in part caused by this possible lack of communication from the Hasbro reps to the stores. What do you think about this?The reps are supposed to remove the figures from inventory when they do a pull, not merely remove them from the pegs. The rest of their job is ensuring exactly what you're describing happening doesn't continue, most of their job is getting snafus like that fixed. 10 figures shouldn't have hampered automatic ordering at Target (this is really the only chain who does automatic ordering in such a manner), that's less than a case so the system should have already ordered more cases, and the department managers should have assessed this problem earlier than a reset, it sounds like your store isn't doing its job right. This is also the first pull they've done in several years and it was only a few weeks ago, so it's definitely not the cause of anything major. I dunno what to ask about this one really.



Another (possibly) new one:
*The super-articulated battle droid sculpts in the Geonosis Arena Showdown sets are quite nice, but there are a few issues that prevent them from being perfect. On the long-awaited commander, for instance, the yellow circle is positioned incorrectly - it should be moved up a bit, as was done more or less correctly on the package art, the 1999 OOM-9 figure, and the 2007 Saga Legends two-pack figure. Then there's the eye issue - the commander has huge eyes while the infantry droid has none. Was all the eye paint budget used on the commander, or what? Then there's the issue of the arm position. In the films, whenever the droids hold their blasters, they do so with both hands. We asked about this a while ago, but a reminder is always nice, eh? So, how about it? It can be assumed that the Target sets won't be modified, but before either of these droids gets re-released, will we see any of these issues addressed?I'll add this.

vger
10-24-2009, 04:17 PM
What's wrong with the existing Clone Wars 1 ARC Trooper, aside from the kama and lack of holsters and the fact that it hasn't been re-released lately?


Are you referring to the 2003 ARC Troopers (greyish blue and the red variant)? If so, I'd like a super-articulated version (the 2003 versions can't hold their guns with two hands and the possible arm poses aren't very good due to their limited articulation). I'd also like a soft-goods skirt/kama so the trooper can use its hip and knee articulation.

El Chuxter
10-24-2009, 05:49 PM
Okay, only being half facetious here, if enough people were to vote for a joke question (maybe "Tastes great or less filling?" or "The Bulls vs the Bears?"), can we propose it to them just to see their reaction? Or you reckon we can sneak in an extra question along those lines?

I'm just curious, since they usually seem to have a sense of humor when we're not too brutal, what their response would be.

Gothiczartan
10-25-2009, 03:05 AM
Could you add a question about Luminara Unduli and Shaak Ti both need a soft good robes as seen in the star wars AOTC and ROTS?

As a repacked or is it already been answered? I would like to see both of the female jedi Masters repack included the soft good robes just like in the movie.

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0521shaakti.asp

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0531luminara.asp

Obsession is Nute
10-25-2009, 01:32 PM
6, 7, 11, 13, and 22 please.

Droid
10-25-2009, 03:30 PM
I'll vote for #18, Toyfare poll clarification.

JediTricks
10-25-2009, 04:18 PM
Could you add a question about Luminara Unduli and Shaak Ti both need a soft good robes as seen in the star wars AOTC and ROTS?

As a repacked or is it already been answered? I would like to see both of the female jedi Masters repack included the soft good robes just like in the movie.

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0521shaakti.asp

http://www.rebelscum.com/ROTS0531luminara.asp


We just got an answer about more robes in the Q&A, does this seem really necessary?

vger
10-25-2009, 06:36 PM
JediTricks, did I answer your question or would you like a little more detail about what I would like as an updated ARC Trooper?

JediTricks
10-25-2009, 06:48 PM
If you have more examples of what that figure doesn't deliver and how OTHER recent clone commander figures can't fill that role, it'd help make the question. Right now I'm still mulling it over, as I tend not to allow specific figure questions, after Hasbro's pattern of answers suggested it was a bad idea, but there are occasionally reasons to break that and I'm not yet sure if this is one.

vger
10-26-2009, 04:41 PM
If you have more examples of what that figure doesn't deliver and how OTHER recent clone commander figures can't fill that role, it'd help make the question. Right now I'm still mulling it over, as I tend not to allow specific figure questions, after Hasbro's pattern of answers suggested it was a bad idea, but there are occasionally reasons to break that and I'm not yet sure if this is one.

You're right about how the specific figure questions don't always get good answers (But the G8-R3/R5-A7 one did this last round!).

Hasbro has mentioned Fordo as a character they'd like to revisit (one of the few animated Clone Wars characters they can do in a realistic style per Lucasfilm).

Why current Clone Commander figures don't work:
They don't have the phase 1/AOTC helmet with the antenna
The body of a phase 2/ROTS commander could make a good base figure as it did for Fordo in the Hunt for Grievous Battle Pack, but the plastic skirt limits poseability

Problems with most recent ARC/Fordo figures:
Not articulated well and can't be posed well with their weapons(2003 TCW mold)
Inaccurate shoulder pauldrons (all previous ARCs). Hasbro has been making them way too big. (EVO ROTS Clone Commander's pauldron would work perfectly)
Badly proportioned sculpts compared to other Clone figures (2003 TCW mold) the shoulders especially look too small compared to the most recent Clone Trooper figures (SA AOTC, ROTS, Shock Trooper, newer ARCs, etc)
Inaccurate helmet color schemes (Fordo, the 2003 TCW ARCs, and the Hunt for Grievous ARCs are missing the stripe down the front of their helmets)
Removable helmet doesn't allow posing of the antenna (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Removable helmet doesn't hold its shape well (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Skirt/kama limits poseability (all previous ARCs) so a soft-goods one would be a nice change
Don't put a removable helmet on this figure, they didn't take them off in the 2003 animated series! It ruins the asthetic of the helmet/head.

Pros:
Can be repainted and repacked with 4 or more color schemes (red-Fordo, blue-army builder, yellow-from comics, green-just off-screen, plus battle-damaged, etc. Might make a good base figure for TCW Clone Commanders if Lucasfilm decides they want to see them in realistic style too)
Can use mostly existing parts if desired

A good ARC figure could be made with mostly existing parts:
Head: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (unless it would be easier for Hasbro to sculpt a new AOTC-style Clone helmet to include an antenna)
Antenna: 2003 ARC Trooper antenna
Body: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (some might want ball-jointed legs, so Gree's body could be used in that case)
Pauldron: EVO ROTS Clone Commander

Newish parts:
Gun belt with two holsters for Fordo
Softgoods skirt/kama


If anyone else would like to see a new ARC figure and can think of more reasons/gripes with current ARC figures, please post them here!

bigbarada
10-26-2009, 06:19 PM
I don't know when the fan choice poll ends, so I'm not sure how long this question is going to be relevant:

Star Wars fans everywhere are excited about the return of the Fan Choice poll, however there are some concerns about how the poll is being run. On the ToyFare website, there doesn't seem to be anything that prevents people from voting multiple times for the same character. Which has some fans worried that a few individuals will be able to skew the voting towards "certain characters" that might not be wanted by the Star Wars collecting community as a whole. Many fans want to do the right thing and vote only once for the character of their choice, however, do we have to worry about losing out to the few "cheaters" out there who flood the poll with multiple votes? Are there controls in place to prevent fraudulent voting or would you encourage us to "vote often" for the characters that we really want?

vger
10-27-2009, 04:53 PM
You're right about how the specific figure questions don't always get good answers (But the G8-R3/R5-A7 one did this last round!).

Hasbro has mentioned Fordo as a character they'd like to revisit (one of the few animated Clone Wars characters they can do in a realistic style per Lucasfilm).

Why current Clone Commander figures don't work:
They don't have the phase 1/AOTC helmet with the antenna
The body of a phase 2/ROTS commander could make a good base figure as it did for Fordo in the Hunt for Grievous Battle Pack, but the plastic skirt limits poseability

Problems with most recent ARC/Fordo figures:
Not articulated well and can't be posed well with their weapons(2003 TCW mold)
Inaccurate shoulder pauldrons (all previous ARCs). Hasbro has been making them way too big. (EVO ROTS Clone Commander's pauldron would work perfectly)
Badly proportioned sculpts compared to other Clone figures (2003 TCW mold) the shoulders especially look too small compared to the most recent Clone Trooper figures (SA AOTC, ROTS, Shock Trooper, newer ARCs, etc)
Inaccurate helmet color schemes (Fordo, the 2003 TCW ARCs, and the Hunt for Grievous ARCs are missing the stripe down the front of their helmets)
Removable helmet doesn't allow posing of the antenna (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Removable helmet doesn't hold its shape well (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Skirt/kama limits poseability (all previous ARCs) so a soft-goods one would be a nice change
Don't put a removable helmet on this figure, they didn't take them off in the 2003 animated series! It ruins the asthetic of the helmet/head.

Pros:
Can be repainted and repacked with 4 or more color schemes (red-Fordo, blue-army builder, yellow-from comics, green-just off-screen, plus battle-damaged, etc. Might make a good base figure for TCW Clone Commanders if Lucasfilm decides they want to see them in realistic style too)
Can use mostly existing parts if desired

A good ARC figure could be made with mostly existing parts:
Head: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (unless it would be easier for Hasbro to sculpt a new AOTC-style Clone helmet to include an antenna)
Antenna: 2003 ARC Trooper antenna
Body: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (some might want ball-jointed legs, so Gree's body could be used in that case)
Pauldron: EVO ROTS Clone Commander

Newish parts:
Gun belt with two holsters for Fordo
Softgoods skirt/kama


If anyone else would like to see a new ARC figure and can think of more reasons/gripes with current ARC figures, please post them here!

I just noticed I didn't vote for any other questions yet. So my votes go to the ARC Trooper question, 8, 10, 15, and 19.

mtriv73
10-27-2009, 05:36 PM
17, and 19 for now.

This could potentially be a new question...

A few years ago think I remember seeing pictures of a death star gun (either a repaint or a resculpt of the one that came with the original death star playset.) Obviously that never came to pass. Would an item like that (possibly with a Death Star gunner packed in) be something we might see in the future?

figrin bran
10-27-2009, 10:03 PM
I'm voting for 2, 13, 14, 16, 19 and 20

Mr. JabbaJohnL
10-28-2009, 12:15 PM
Since I assume my vote was counted for 21 and 22, I'll also go with 4, 7, 13, and 20.

Cane_Adiss
10-28-2009, 02:38 PM
Can we ask them this:

How many of the 30 finalists in the current toyfare poll are already in some stage of production? Without offering any specifics, could you tell us how many may be out next year, or in 2011 alongside the winner?

JediTricks
10-28-2009, 03:38 PM
Okay, only being half facetious here, if enough people were to vote for a joke question (maybe "Tastes great or less filling?" or "The Bulls vs the Bears?"), can we propose it to them just to see their reaction? Or you reckon we can sneak in an extra question along those lines?

I'm just curious, since they usually seem to have a sense of humor when we're not too brutal, what their response would be.We'd have to use it for an actual question, and I'd prefer it had some level of interesting response, basically any "why", but I'm not entirely adverse.



You're right about how the specific figure questions don't always get good answers (But the G8-R3/R5-A7 one did this last round!).

Hasbro has mentioned Fordo as a character they'd like to revisit (one of the few animated Clone Wars characters they can do in a realistic style per Lucasfilm).

Why current Clone Commander figures don't work:
They don't have the phase 1/AOTC helmet with the antenna
The body of a phase 2/ROTS commander could make a good base figure as it did for Fordo in the Hunt for Grievous Battle Pack, but the plastic skirt limits poseability

Problems with most recent ARC/Fordo figures:
Not articulated well and can't be posed well with their weapons(2003 TCW mold)
Inaccurate shoulder pauldrons (all previous ARCs). Hasbro has been making them way too big. (EVO ROTS Clone Commander's pauldron would work perfectly)
Badly proportioned sculpts compared to other Clone figures (2003 TCW mold) the shoulders especially look too small compared to the most recent Clone Trooper figures (SA AOTC, ROTS, Shock Trooper, newer ARCs, etc)
Inaccurate helmet color schemes (Fordo, the 2003 TCW ARCs, and the Hunt for Grievous ARCs are missing the stripe down the front of their helmets)
Removable helmet doesn't allow posing of the antenna (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Removable helmet doesn't hold its shape well (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Skirt/kama limits poseability (all previous ARCs) so a soft-goods one would be a nice change
Don't put a removable helmet on this figure, they didn't take them off in the 2003 animated series! It ruins the asthetic of the helmet/head.

Pros:
Can be repainted and repacked with 4 or more color schemes (red-Fordo, blue-army builder, yellow-from comics, green-just off-screen, plus battle-damaged, etc. Might make a good base figure for TCW Clone Commanders if Lucasfilm decides they want to see them in realistic style too)
Can use mostly existing parts if desired

A good ARC figure could be made with mostly existing parts:
Head: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (unless it would be easier for Hasbro to sculpt a new AOTC-style Clone helmet to include an antenna)
Antenna: 2003 ARC Trooper antenna
Body: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (some might want ball-jointed legs, so Gree's body could be used in that case)
Pauldron: EVO ROTS Clone Commander

Newish parts:
Gun belt with two holsters for Fordo
Softgoods skirt/kama


If anyone else would like to see a new ARC figure and can think of more reasons/gripes with current ARC figures, please post them here!Hmm, this is tough, you make a good point but they JUST released the Evolutions ARC Trooper on a basic card, so it's highly unlikely we're going to see your idea come to fruition in the near future. I don't have that Evo figure so I can't speak to the pliability of the kama, but in a lot of ways it looks like it fills the needs. Still, I think we have enough to ask a question on this figure, but it's going to be a bit toothless since we just got that other figure.


I have to go, I had to stop at at #20, so when I get back I'll take care of the writing and such.

Droid
10-28-2009, 09:00 PM
We'd have to use it for an actual question, and I'd prefer it had some level of interesting response, basically any "why", but I'm not entirely adverse.

I guess you could dig up whatever I said that time about the "Sit on It" line where it was all chairs from the Saga. That was pretty silly.

Gothiczartan
10-29-2009, 03:39 PM
I got a question about a possbile SV Jabba The Hutt from ROTJ

all new sculpt Jabba with ball jointed shoulders and elbows, mouth opens and closes and have a moving tounge, flexible and bendable tail, have a movie accurate bed size seat with all the movie features and include crumb figure (came from eye poped C-3PO figure of TAC line).

make it similar like the vintage jabba.

Gothiczartan
10-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Could you add a question about a new luke skywalker in medical robes on hoth after he is recover from the wampa attack and out of the bacta tank, comes with a removable medical mask (cut footage)?

can hasbro make this figure by using this mold from the link?
http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC38Luke.asp

added a details on his face having healed scars.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/4037346628_59a3473e02_o.jpg

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/episode5/images/Luke-wearing_mask.jpg

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/episode5/images/Luke-mask_21B_lifting.jpg

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/episode5/images/Luke-Leia-21B.jpg

and a new sculpt 2-1B from the empire strikes back?

JediTricks
10-29-2009, 05:29 PM
Question 24 added.


You're right about how the specific figure questions don't always get good answers (But the G8-R3/R5-A7 one did this last round!).

Hasbro has mentioned Fordo as a character they'd like to revisit (one of the few animated Clone Wars characters they can do in a realistic style per Lucasfilm).

Why current Clone Commander figures don't work:
They don't have the phase 1/AOTC helmet with the antenna
The body of a phase 2/ROTS commander could make a good base figure as it did for Fordo in the Hunt for Grievous Battle Pack, but the plastic skirt limits poseability

Problems with most recent ARC/Fordo figures:
Not articulated well and can't be posed well with their weapons(2003 TCW mold)
Inaccurate shoulder pauldrons (all previous ARCs). Hasbro has been making them way too big. (EVO ROTS Clone Commander's pauldron would work perfectly)
Badly proportioned sculpts compared to other Clone figures (2003 TCW mold) the shoulders especially look too small compared to the most recent Clone Trooper figures (SA AOTC, ROTS, Shock Trooper, newer ARCs, etc)
Inaccurate helmet color schemes (Fordo, the 2003 TCW ARCs, and the Hunt for Grievous ARCs are missing the stripe down the front of their helmets)
Removable helmet doesn't allow posing of the antenna (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Removable helmet doesn't hold its shape well (comic pack Alpha, order 66, GH and SL ARCs from TLC, and EVO ARC)
Skirt/kama limits poseability (all previous ARCs) so a soft-goods one would be a nice change
Don't put a removable helmet on this figure, they didn't take them off in the 2003 animated series! It ruins the asthetic of the helmet/head.

Pros:
Can be repainted and repacked with 4 or more color schemes (red-Fordo, blue-army builder, yellow-from comics, green-just off-screen, plus battle-damaged, etc. Might make a good base figure for TCW Clone Commanders if Lucasfilm decides they want to see them in realistic style too)
Can use mostly existing parts if desired

A good ARC figure could be made with mostly existing parts:
Head: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (unless it would be easier for Hasbro to sculpt a new AOTC-style Clone helmet to include an antenna)
Antenna: 2003 ARC Trooper antenna
Body: SA AOTC Clone Trooper (some might want ball-jointed legs, so Gree's body could be used in that case)
Pauldron: EVO ROTS Clone Commander

Newish parts:
Gun belt with two holsters for Fordo
Softgoods skirt/kama


If anyone else would like to see a new ARC figure and can think of more reasons/gripes with current ARC figures, please post them here!
Ok, so I did some research, and found there isn't really a lot of consensus on the design of the ARC Trooper. The animation didn't have holsters on the majority of the troopers' kamas, there's been an ARC trooper with those holsters and super articulation, some of the non-animated versions have the bigger pauldrons like the Hasbro figure, the shoulder thing is pretty subjective as the current Evo design looks right to me, there have been several ARCs with the full helmet stripe: http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TLC/Evolutions/Commandos/LC-331.jpg
and they've already answered several times about Fordo.

I have to hold off on this one after all, there's just so much subjective stuff there that it makes it hard to ask this question with the Evo ARC Trooper on shelves now.



I don't know when the fan choice poll ends, so I'm not sure how long this question is going to be relevant:

Star Wars fans everywhere are excited about the return of the Fan Choice poll, however there are some concerns about how the poll is being run. On the ToyFare website, there doesn't seem to be anything that prevents people from voting multiple times for the same character. Which has some fans worried that a few individuals will be able to skew the voting towards "certain characters" that might not be wanted by the Star Wars collecting community as a whole. Many fans want to do the right thing and vote only once for the character of their choice, however, do we have to worry about losing out to the few "cheaters" out there who flood the poll with multiple votes? Are there controls in place to prevent fraudulent voting or would you encourage us to "vote often" for the characters that we really want?Here's the thing, the vote ends sooner than we'd get the answer, and by then it'd be in the bag. They've asked Wizard/ToyFare to figure this all out, so it's an issue that goes to their partner in this, not them. We're not likely to invalidate the results, so the thrust behind the question is what, precisely? To make fans more or less happy with the end results?



17, and 19 for now.

This could potentially be a new question...

A few years ago think I remember seeing pictures of a death star gun (either a repaint or a resculpt of the one that came with the original death star playset.) Obviously that never came to pass. Would an item like that (possibly with a Death Star gunner packed in) be something we might see in the future?Must have been a custom, I never saw anything about that. The answer is likely going to be "no" right now, there's nowhere to put something like that, won't fit in vehicle assortment, too big for deluxe figure & vehicle asst, probably too big for battle packs now that they've changed format to the kiddie focus and have less product. Am I overlooking something?



Since I assume my vote was counted for 21 and 22, I'll also go with 4, 7, 13, and 20.Yeah, I counted your votes for each, you've gotten pretty adept at Q&A so I figured you'd know and stopped typing "vote counted" on your additions.



I got a question about a possbile SV Jabba The Hutt from ROTJ

all new sculpt Jabba with ball jointed shoulders and elbows, mouth opens and closes and have a moving tounge, flexible and bendable tail, have a movie accurate bed size seat with all the movie features and include crumb figure (came from eye poped C-3PO figure of TAC line).

make it similar like the vintage jabba.We've already asked them about new Jabba half a dozen times. And now they're working on a new Jabba and dais, so they will do what they will do.



Could you add a question about a new luke skywalker in medical robes on hoth after he is recover from the wampa attack and out of the bacta tank, comes with a removable medical mask (cut footage)?

can hasbro make this figure by using this mold from the link?
http://www.rebelscum.com/TLC38Luke.asp

added a details on his face having healed scars.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/4037346628_59a3473e02_o.jpg

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/episode5/images/Luke-wearing_mask.jpg

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/episode5/images/Luke-mask_21B_lifting.jpg

http://www.starwarsholidayspecial.com/swcs/episode5/images/Luke-Leia-21B.jpg

and a new sculpt 2-1B from the empire strikes back?This isn't a bad idea, I'll add a new Hoth Leia to it to complete the scene. Your vote counted for this new question.

Gothiczartan
10-29-2009, 05:37 PM
if there will be a retool and repacked luke snowspeeder pilot with a new head and no cap on in the future, can you add a question about a new snowspeeder vehicle from ESB maybe a retooled for a new cockpit and harpoon gun would work out. also add a luke snowspeeder pilot figure (from the upcoming luke figure from TLC line) with a new headsculpt that he won't have a thermal cap on and also include a Dack figure with new head sculpt (thermal cap molded on head) same figure sculpt from Wes Janson figure?

Gothiczartan
10-29-2009, 05:38 PM
I vote for 24. thank you for adding it, Jeditricks!

Gothiczartan
10-29-2009, 09:42 PM
I got another question.

are there going to be a new droid gunship for the clone wars line?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_gunship

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2d/DroidGunship_ICS.jpg

bigbarada
10-30-2009, 12:40 AM
Here's the thing, the vote ends sooner than we'd get the answer, and by then it'd be in the bag. They've asked Wizard/ToyFare to figure this all out, so it's an issue that goes to their partner in this, not them. We're not likely to invalidate the results, so the thrust behind the question is what, precisely? To make fans more or less happy with the end results?

Understood, I thought that it might be too late to ask this. My main concern was that fans of a certain Jedi librarian would flood the poll with votes and essentially nullify anyone else's choice.

I don't know why I'm worried about it, though, since the only characters I'm truly interested in buying are already on Hasbro's radar and will most likely get made regardless.

JediTricks
10-30-2009, 02:45 AM
I got another question.

are there going to be a new droid gunship for the clone wars line?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_gunship

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2d/DroidGunship_ICS.jpgWe asked them about the Droid Gunship last year, they said it didn't have much of a chance. I don't think it's shown up in animation so far either.


Understood, I thought that it might be too late to ask this. My main concern was that fans of a certain Jedi librarian would flood the poll with votes and essentially nullify anyone else's choice.Agreed, but those are the risks we take with these sorts of fan vote things anyway.

El Chuxter
10-30-2009, 07:16 AM
Understood, I thought that it might be too late to ask this. My main concern was that fans of a certain Jedi librarian would flood the poll with votes and essentially nullify anyone else's choice.

You mean like they did with Darth Cobra Commander? (Who, sadly, looks more like an actual 1980s-era Cobra Commander costume than anything from the GIJoe movie.)

El Chuxter
10-30-2009, 07:24 AM
Sorry for the double, but would it be a total waste to ask them to clarify, "Jaxxon would only be made based on fan voting"? I'm wondering if that means he'll only be a possibility if he wins, or if a strong showing will convince them of the desire for this figure.

I'll apologize to Filoni to his face for saying his show stinks, and buy him a taco, if he'll throw Jaxxon in there somewhere and give him a boost in terms of possibly being produced. :D

RENDAR LIVES
10-30-2009, 06:40 PM
2 new ones,

1) We all know Hasbro always puts out the "risky" expanded universe characters as the last wave or first wave of the year so Holiday sales will give the figures a better chance. For some reason releasing such fan demanded characters as the Solo twins mid-December doesn't make sense. Many of the waves are currently running several months late and also full saturation may not hit for this particular wave untill January or February when retailers order next to nothing so they can reset and because customers are letting thier wllets recover. During a movie year you always release things a couple months early to make sure product is there in time for opening release. So wouldn't it make sense to want full saturation during the Holiday blitz for these "risky" figures? Many figures sell out online and some online retailers are already sold out of thier Jaina pre-orders wich they are charging $20 for. So as a devoted collector who has been waiting 10 years for these NJO figures, what guarantee will I have that I wont be cheated out of these like I was Darth Revan?

2) In a recent Q&A you stated you realized the problem the universal packaging is causing on the shelves. I was hoping you could be more specific. Many retailers I have been to just pop it all on the shelves not realizing there are 3 different assortments of figures. The planogram seems to sell the collector targeted ones short because the Clone Wars figures have twice as many slots as the Saga Legends and Legacy assortments. I know the cartoon drives sales for clone wars figures but so does all the competition that has cartoon based toys and I feel you greatly underestimate the power of parents influences of thier children.

Yeah. I know I get on these rants and can't quite seem to stop so summerize as needed Mr. Tricks. I also realize the collector verses kid argument is a dead horse I'm beating on but I still felt the need to make the point that even though certain toys have cartoon sales boosts it doesn't mean they are all selling as well as Transformers and Star Wars.

Gothiczartan
10-30-2009, 11:48 PM
I got another question about a re release and repacked jango fett figure from evolution The Fett Legacy set with retooling to fit his first jetpack (the one got destroyed during a battle with obi-wan) and the second jetpack from The Fett Legacy set and same belt/holsters from TAC Jango Fett figure. Helmet with retooling for the head piece to swivel.

Jango Fett figure from http://www.rebelscum.com/TACevoFettLegacy.asp

belt and holster with guns from http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC57jango.asp

jetpack with retooling to fit the figure http://www.rebelscum.com/sagajangofettkaminoescape.asp

Gothiczartan
10-30-2009, 11:59 PM
I also have a question about the remaing pos racer aliens that has not get their figures made the only ones that were shown in the movie TPM that include the footage added when released on DVD.

I got another question about Queen Queen Padme senate re release with added a cape to fit over the figure

figure http://www.rebelscum.com/episodeIamidalacoruscant.asp

cape for figure http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2693/4060239454_8f9f67ec3f_o.jpg

JediTricks
11-02-2009, 02:52 PM
You mean like they did with Darth Cobra Commander? (Who, sadly, looks more like an actual 1980s-era Cobra Commander costume than anything from the GIJoe movie.)That's unfair. If you look at the way that poll broke down, it was clear Wizard/ToyFare's voting was all going that direction anyway. They are a different audience, which is why I don't like seeing these polls end up in their hands, they are more comics and games-focused readers rather than hardcore SW-focused ones. I mean, Darth Trapjaw and HK-47 and Darth Nihilus and a bunch of other wackiness came out of that vote, and Darth Revan didn't even win that poll, Quinlan Vos did, then Revan, then Yarna - that doesn't read like a stacked deck to me.



Sorry for the double, but would it be a total waste to ask them to clarify, "Jaxxon would only be made based on fan voting"? I'm wondering if that means he'll only be a possibility if he wins, or if a strong showing will convince them of the desire for this figure.

I'll apologize to Filoni to his face for saying his show stinks, and buy him a taco, if he'll throw Jaxxon in there somewhere and give him a boost in terms of possibly being produced. :DI think it'd be a waste of time. If Jaxxon appears on the show and is in any way substantial, I'm quite confident they'll do an animated figure of him, that would be a total game-changer. I think the existing answer on Jaxxon already basically goes without needing to say "...without entertainment support".



1) We all know Hasbro always puts out the "risky" expanded universe characters as the last wave or first wave of the year so Holiday sales will give the figures a better chance. For some reason releasing such fan demanded characters as the Solo twins mid-December doesn't make sense. Many of the waves are currently running several months late and also full saturation may not hit for this particular wave untill January or February when retailers order next to nothing so they can reset and because customers are letting thier wllets recover. During a movie year you always release things a couple months early to make sure product is there in time for opening release. So wouldn't it make sense to want full saturation during the Holiday blitz for these "risky" figures? Many figures sell out online and some online retailers are already sold out of thier Jaina pre-orders wich they are charging $20 for. So as a devoted collector who has been waiting 10 years for these NJO figures, what guarantee will I have that I wont be cheated out of these like I was Darth Revan? That doesn't mesh up with the last 2 years. The TLC '08 EU wave came out in July at the beginning of the line, while the TAC EU wave came out in September of '07. Also, if a wave is planned for the end of the year, it's going to get MORE production and orders than one planned for the early half of the year because so much product is moved in November and December alone. What's the thrust of your question, what are you trying to get out of it? The NJO figures are already a done deal, not gonna change, so are you looking for justification as to why they did this, or a promise not to do it next time (despite them not doing it last time)?


In a recent Q&A you stated you realized the problem the universal packaging is causing on the shelves. I was hoping you could be more specific. Many retailers I have been to just pop it all on the shelves not realizing there are 3 different assortments of figures. The planogram seems to sell the collector targeted ones short because the Clone Wars figures have twice as many slots as the Saga Legends and Legacy assortments. I know the cartoon drives sales for clone wars figures but so does all the competition that has cartoon based toys and I feel you greatly underestimate the power of parents influences of thier children.They had 2 other answers this round which may address what you're going for a little more:
JediTempleArchives.com: You have made it evident that sales of the main Legacy figures just aren’t at the same levels from years ago. And while you have assured us that the line is still healthy, it makes us wonder a few things. The Legacy figures are still nearly impossible to find. How can you meet and exceed numbers if they aren’t in stores to sell? And when we ask retail why the figures aren’t in the stores, they blame you. In turn, we go back to you and you say stores are ordering less. There is this incessant circular blame that is leaving the kids and collectors out in the cold. We want the opportunity to purchase them, please give it to us! Along the same lines, we were curious to know if perhaps you have considered the packaging as a direct cause for lack of sales. While this may initially seem silly to you, we hope that you can carefully ponder and admit that the blue TLC line look was anything but exciting. We are sure that Gargan would have sold a whole lot better were she on an OTC/VOTC type card (being that she was one of the original vintage candidates). Figures just look so much more awesome on the silver and black line look. Can you please defend your position with Lucasfilm that a vintage feel is the only way to go with our beloved Star Wars action figures (or an extrapolation of it at least). The 30th Anniversary Collection, Original Trilogy Collection (which you had confirmed exceeded expectations and they were all old POTF2 figures for the most part!) and The Saga Collection had the best packaging yet! We miss that look terribly!
Hasbro: You have asked a few questions here, so we'll take them in order. What you see on an individual store level isn't representative of what's happening at a national level. The way that replenishment should work, since it's all automated, is that when inventory gets low an order gets triggered to send more of that assortment to the stores, either from the retail distribution centers or a new order from Hasbro. Trust us, we have staggering quantities of Droid Factory figures that we are unable to get to stores because of the quantity of figures still in the channel; we are not holding back and in fact doing everything we can to get the new waves out (including a recent pullback of unmoving figures to help us"recalibrate" the brand). All new waves can always be found through online retailers; if you can't find them at retail near you there are other ways to get figures, and they count the same for us either way. It's certainly possible that some stores get "stuck" but we do not have a way of seeing that other than fans sending us store numbers to check out (which does happen...please tell us about the Wal-Mart and Target stores in question, with store numbers). As for the line look, we take our cue from the direction Lucasfilm has given us as they create the line (we do consult, but ultimately do not decide on the line look). Your comments on preference for the Vintage/Saga/30th line is noted; we certainly know that these were popular lines with collectors. All things being equal since they all had the same line look, Clone Wars and Saga Legends flew while the Legacy/Droid Factory struggled and continues to do so (as have all other assortments with a more narrow collector focus like Evolutions, Comic Packs, and many exclusives). Our collectors have been hit hard by the economic issues, and we are doing our best to find the new baseline (critical for calling figures such as Willrow Hood), streamline the range so more fans can reasonably afford to collect everything in a year, and look toward key touch points for collectors to re-engage. It's been a tough year for our collector base overall, and hope that we can reward those who have stuck with us with some outstanding figures and vehicles, and lure back those who may be on the sidelines with an incredibly tempting lineup next year and on into the future. Stay tuned!

Rebelscum.com: Collectors are frustrated. We've been told that sales of the Legacy Collection are down, yet many collectors have been unable to find many of the 2009 figures and battle packs. We know that Hasbro sells to stores (both brick and mortar and online stores) and from there we buy from those stores. Once the figures are out of your hands, we know there isn't anything you can do. here's our dilemma. we go to the stores and see older figures that we already have. There is space for more TLC figures, yet the store employees put the SL or the TCW figures on the legs marked with the TLC price code. When collectors ask the store employees, they always say, "what's on the shelf is all we have" or they ignore our requests for TLC figures because they don't understand the difference between the three different lines. Collectors become frustrated because of this poor customer service and try to find other stores to buy TLC figures, buy online, or use ebay. None of these are good solutions for the line. We would like to stop banging our heads against the wall when we ask you about these distribution problems because we understand that you can't do much about them, but would it be possible for you to suggest a strategy of how we, as the collecting community and not just as individuals, could go about letting the stores know exactly what we want to buy? It seems that store employees and even the toy managers have no understanding that their are three different basic carded lines and they don't know how to get what we really want.
Hasbro: When a replenishment order comes in, it's up to the department manager to get it out. The actual peg the product goes on doesn't matter, as it's invisible to the computerized inventory system. If the store personnel can't match the Asst SKU (87535 for Droid Factory/Legacy, 87995 for Saga Legends, and 87628 for Clone Wars basic figures) to a case of product in back, then not only are they frustrating you but they are not doing their job to move the merchandise.
We have made it as simple as possible for them to replenish inventory as needed, so we really don't know what to say when they won't put it on shelf. That is, if they have it in the back room - they might be telling the truth and the store may not need more inventory depending on the level....just because there is room on the pegs doesn't mean that the product has been re-ordered if inventory has not sunk below a certain level.
Let us know store #numbers when that happens and we will try to follow up. When all else fails, we recommend sourcing the new figures from Internet retailers who should have the ability to get
any of the new waves.

I got another question about a re release and repacked jango fett figure from evolution The Fett Legacy set with retooling to fit his first jetpack (the one got destroyed during a battle with obi-wan) and the second jetpack from The Fett Legacy set and same belt/holsters from TAC Jango Fett figure. Helmet with retooling for the head piece to swivel.What are you talking about? I can't figure it out at all.


I also have a question about the remaing pos racer aliens that has not get their figures made the only ones that were shown in the movie TPM that include the footage added when released on DVD.First off, you may have the question but we don't know what it is. Second, they've been asked a billion times about the remaining podracer characters already, I'm not really interested in going down that road again.


I got another question about Queen Queen Padme senate re release with added a cape to fit over the figureWhat is that question? You didn't write one, just said you had one.

RENDAR LIVES
11-03-2009, 08:25 AM
That doesn't mesh up with the last 2 years. The TLC '08 EU wave came out in July at the beginning of the line, while the TAC EU wave came out in September of '07. Also, if a wave is planned for the end of the year, it's going to get MORE production and orders than one planned for the early half of the year because so much product is moved in November and December alone. What's the thrust of your question, what are you trying to get out of it? The NJO figures are already a done deal, not gonna change, so are you looking for justification as to why they did this, or a promise not to do it next time (despite them not doing it last time)?

They had 2 other answers this round which may address what you're going for a little more:

JediTempleArchives.com: You have made it evident that sales of the main Legacy figures just arenít at the same levels from years ago. And while you have assured us that the line is still healthy, it makes us wonder a few things. The Legacy figures are still nearly impossible to find. How can you meet and exceed numbers if they arenít in stores to sell? And when we ask retail why the figures arenít in the stores, they blame you. In turn, we go back to you and you say stores are ordering less. There is this incessant circular blame that is leaving the kids and collectors out in the cold. We want the opportunity to purchase them, please give it to us! Along the same lines, we were curious to know if perhaps you have considered the packaging as a direct cause for lack of sales. While this may initially seem silly to you, we hope that you can carefully ponder and admit that the blue TLC line look was anything but exciting. We are sure that Gargan would have sold a whole lot better were she on an OTC/VOTC type card (being that she was one of the original vintage candidates). Figures just look so much more awesome on the silver and black line look. Can you please defend your position with Lucasfilm that a vintage feel is the only way to go with our beloved Star Wars action figures (or an extrapolation of it at least). The 30th Anniversary Collection, Original Trilogy Collection (which you had confirmed exceeded expectations and they were all old POTF2 figures for the most part!) and The Saga Collection had the best packaging yet! We miss that look terribly!
Hasbro: You have asked a few questions here, so we'll take them in order. What you see on an individual store level isn't representative of what's happening at a national level. The way that replenishment should work, since it's all automated, is that when inventory gets low an order gets triggered to send more of that assortment to the stores, either from the retail distribution centers or a new order from Hasbro. Trust us, we have staggering quantities of Droid Factory figures that we are unable to get to stores because of the quantity of figures still in the channel; we are not holding back and in fact doing everything we can to get the new waves out (including a recent pullback of unmoving figures to help us"recalibrate" the brand). All new waves can always be found through online retailers; if you can't find them at retail near you there are other ways to get figures, and they count the same for us either way. It's certainly possible that some stores get "stuck" but we do not have a way of seeing that other than fans sending us store numbers to check out (which does happen...please tell us about the Wal-Mart and Target stores in question, with store numbers). As for the line look, we take our cue from the direction Lucasfilm has given us as they create the line (we do consult, but ultimately do not decide on the line look). Your comments on preference for the Vintage/Saga/30th line is noted; we certainly know that these were popular lines with collectors. All things being equal since they all had the same line look, Clone Wars and Saga Legends flew while the Legacy/Droid Factory struggled and continues to do so (as have all other assortments with a more narrow collector focus like Evolutions, Comic Packs, and many exclusives). Our collectors have been hit hard by the economic issues, and we are doing our best to find the new baseline (critical for calling figures such as Willrow Hood), streamline the range so more fans can reasonably afford to collect everything in a year, and look toward key touch points for collectors to re-engage. It's been a tough year for our collector base overall, and hope that we can reward those who have stuck with us with some outstanding figures and vehicles, and lure back those who may be on the sidelines with an incredibly tempting lineup next year and on into the future. Stay tuned!

Rebelscum.com: Collectors are frustrated. We've been told that sales of the Legacy Collection are down, yet many collectors have been unable to find many of the 2009 figures and battle packs. We know that Hasbro sells to stores (both brick and mortar and online stores) and from there we buy from those stores. Once the figures are out of your hands, we know there isn't anything you can do. here's our dilemma. we go to the stores and see older figures that we already have. There is space for more TLC figures, yet the store employees put the SL or the TCW figures on the legs marked with the TLC price code. When collectors ask the store employees, they always say, "what's on the shelf is all we have" or they ignore our requests for TLC figures because they don't understand the difference between the three different lines. Collectors become frustrated because of this poor customer service and try to find other stores to buy TLC figures, buy online, or use ebay. None of these are good solutions for the line. We would like to stop banging our heads against the wall when we ask you about these distribution problems because we understand that you can't do much about them, but would it be possible for you to suggest a strategy of how we, as the collecting community and not just as individuals, could go about letting the stores know exactly what we want to buy? It seems that store employees and even the toy managers have no understanding that their are three different basic carded lines and they don't know how to get what we really want.
Hasbro: When a replenishment order comes in, it's up to the department manager to get it out. The actual peg the product goes on doesn't matter, as it's invisible to the computerized inventory system. If the store personnel can't match the Asst SKU (87535 for Droid Factory/Legacy, 87995 for Saga Legends, and 87628 for Clone Wars basic figures) to a case of product in back, then not only are they frustrating you but they are not doing their job to move the merchandise.
We have made it as simple as possible for them to replenish inventory as needed, so we really don't know what to say when they won't put it on shelf. That is, if they have it in the back room - they might be telling the truth and the store may not need more inventory depending on the level....just because there is room on the pegs doesn't mean that the product has been re-ordered if inventory has not sunk below a certain level.
Let us know store #numbers when that happens and we will try to follow up. When all else fails, we recommend sourcing the new figures from Internet retailers who should have the ability to get
any of the new waves.




My first question is about the availability. Sure they might ramp up the numbers for the holiday season but with them scheduled mid December there wouldn't even be time for full saturation of this wave by Christmas, not to mention while there may be many last minute shoppers most folks get it done earlier between black Friday up to a couple weeks before Christmas. The waves are already showing up months later than anticipated and I doubt they are going to run low numbers on those late waves of more audience friendly characters just to push a "risky" wave of EU on time. Besides that the FU wave was IMO an EU wave that was released so late into the year but since they were trying so hard to market it ended up going back and refreshing that wave. I think you are going by the scheduled releases rather than not just when they started to trickle out on to pegs but were fully available. So my question to Hasbro is with what they consider a "risky" wave of relatively unknown collector targeted figures, why are they releasing them so close to the dead market season? Will there be full saturation of this wave in stores by then with the current waves just now arriving months late? January and February are bad months to try pushing something already considered risky. So why was it not pushed to be in stores sooner for the holiday crunch? It seems like poor planning and like Hasbro is shooting themselves in the foot.

I know when I broke it down it just ended up being several questions but I just don't have the way with words that you do. I just hope I am explaining it well enough for you to understand what I am saying.

As for the second question, I read those and it gives me hope but I was asking for more clarification. Like instead of the little colored peg hook that differentiates the packages, is Hasbro planning to give each line a vastly different style of packaging so morons at Walmart and Target can properly move product? I know Hasbro wants to make money. I know they are finally hearing enough from collectors to be concerned. It sucks to send in store numbers when it seems to be every store in the area, not just one particular store or retailer but if that's what I gotta do. Where do we send them and what do we say? The Hasbro site FAQ and comments/complaints e-mail sections?

Adam
11-04-2009, 01:13 AM
The reps are supposed to remove the figures from inventory when they do a pull, not merely remove them from the pegs. The rest of their job is ensuring exactly what you're describing happening doesn't continue, most of their job is getting snafus like that fixed. 10 figures shouldn't have hampered automatic ordering at Target (this is really the only chain who does automatic ordering in such a manner), that's less than a case so the system should have already ordered more cases, and the department managers should have assessed this problem earlier than a reset, it sounds like your store isn't doing its job right. This is also the first pull they've done in several years and it was only a few weeks ago, so it's definitely not the cause of anything major. I dunno what to ask about this one really.


Yeah, no. I basically told you in the question that wasn't happening. I've seen the Hasbro rep pull items off the shelf and from the back. They do nothing to our system, they pack them up and leave. Thats it. Also Ten figures does INDEED hamper the ordering depending on the store. The system at this store will NOT order more until the count gets under five. It's different per store and depending on the season. This store being fairly low volume having ten non-existant figures would cause a back up. And it did.

Anyway, I don't really care if you add it or not, I just felt like it could be an issue for other stores since it was in the last two I've worked at.

JediTricks
11-04-2009, 03:42 AM
My first question is about the availability. Sure they might ramp up the numbers for the holiday season but with them scheduled mid December there wouldn't even be time for full saturation of this wave by Christmas, not to mention while there may be many last minute shoppers most folks get it done earlier between black Friday up to a couple weeks before Christmas. The waves are already showing up months later than anticipated and I doubt they are going to run low numbers on those late waves of more audience friendly characters just to push a "risky" wave of EU on time. Besides that the FU wave was IMO an EU wave that was released so late into the year but since they were trying so hard to market it ended up going back and refreshing that wave. I think you are going by the scheduled releases rather than not just when they started to trickle out on to pegs but were fully available. So my question to Hasbro is with what they consider a "risky" wave of relatively unknown collector targeted figures, why are they releasing them so close to the dead market season? Will there be full saturation of this wave in stores by then with the current waves just now arriving months late? January and February are bad months to try pushing something already considered risky. So why was it not pushed to be in stores sooner for the holiday crunch? It seems like poor planning and like Hasbro is shooting themselves in the foot.

I know when I broke it down it just ended up being several questions but I just don't have the way with words that you do. I just hope I am explaining it well enough for you to understand what I am saying.My point is still: what are you trying to accomplish? The orders are done, the cases are out the door and on ships heading to retailers already.

It's not a sign of something they've done in the past because their past behavior doesn't fit the pattern you suggested, so we can't ask them to change a pattern of behavior.

We already have their statement on the brand being backed up and having sales problems, no reason to go back to that well, especially at this point when everything is now hitting faster to catch up when the sales are there.

We already know they are doing smaller runs of collector-only-interest figures, so these are likely to fit that bill. There likely won't be a glut of these figures, but that's not a bad thing because if there was, that'd be a bigger problem for the future. They can't put EVERYTHING out in November for the holiday push, there is a whole year of product that has to be planned 18 months in advance, some stuff has to be put out when it can fit and when it's ready. And keep in mind, the collectors who are driving this wave, they're not going to only buy it at holiday time, they'll come to the product whenever it hits.

The Force Unleashed wave was a different situation entirely though, it doesn't count as EU in your argument as its source material hadn't been released and it was released in the first half of '08, not the end of '07.

Hasbro doesn't control distribution beyond getting product to retailers, so they're not going to be able to guarantee saturation on any level.

I dunno, maybe I'm still missing your point, I really do sympathize with the concern, but I don't know what we can ask Hasbro that will get any pertinent knowledge or action done.


As for the second question, I read those and it gives me hope but I was asking for more clarification. Like instead of the little colored peg hook that differentiates the packages, is Hasbro planning to give each line a vastly different style of packaging so morons at Walmart and Target can properly move product? I know Hasbro wants to make money. I know they are finally hearing enough from collectors to be concerned. It sucks to send in store numbers when it seems to be every store in the area, not just one particular store or retailer but if that's what I gotta do. Where do we send them and what do we say? The Hasbro site FAQ and comments/complaints e-mail sections?Since we wouldn't be asking the question until the middle of the month and wouldn't get the answer until December, and the answer is almost certainly going to be evasive, I suspect we should wait until after February when Toy Fair NY rolls around, probably we'll get a look there. We can try to ask specifics if you like though, but I'm not sure what exactly to ask there without it coming off vague. Also, keep in mind, so far they've totally passed the buck on this year's packaging to LFL so they may not even get the designs they want OK'ed.

As for sending that store problem data, we Q&A editors are the mouthpieces for you guys on that. I did this last year, it was a big chore because a lot of folks reported pretty sketchy problems, like "3 pegwarming figures that just came out!" and similar weirdness, so I had to filter the responses and it became a mess for me to deal with, people were mad that they had to justify the complaint in any way, and they REALLY didn't like being questioned (as many issues as I sent in, I got at least double that weren't usable data because they wouldn't give a reasonable estimate of the problem).



Yeah, no. I basically told you in the question that wasn't happening. I've seen the Hasbro rep pull items off the shelf and from the back. They do nothing to our system, they pack them up and leave. Thats it. Also Ten figures does INDEED hamper the ordering depending on the store. The system at this store will NOT order more until the count gets under five. It's different per store and depending on the season. This store being fairly low volume having ten non-existant figures would cause a back up. And it did.

Anyway, I don't really care if you add it or not, I just felt like it could be an issue for other stores since it was in the last two I've worked at.Then I'd rather just send in the store number as a problem than ask a question. If I add a question, it's going to have to be a systemic problem which we can't really back up a claim of, we can't say "a number of your store reps are doing _____" when we have a singular sampling. And as it's a singular sampling, it also doesn't bode well for votes. However, I can send in the store number and a brief description of the problem, they already said that's something they'll try to deal with.

Gothiczartan
11-05-2009, 12:05 AM
I have a question about impossible SA Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jin figures with A99 Aquata Breathers as seen in TPM

will we see same figures (soft good jedi robes included) from The Legacy Collection line retooled with head sculpts and breathers?

Droid
11-05-2009, 10:11 AM
Hasbro has stated that there will not be a wave from A New Hope in 2010. Does this mean that there will not be any newly sculpted cantina figures in 2010 or might we see one or two in a battle pack, comic pack, exclusive, or other venue?

RENDAR LIVES
11-05-2009, 11:31 AM
My point is still: what are you trying to accomplish? The orders are done, the cases are out the door and on ships heading to retailers already.

It's not a sign of something they've done in the past because their past behavior doesn't fit the pattern you suggested, so we can't ask them to change a pattern of behavior.

We already have their statement on the brand being backed up and having sales problems, no reason to go back to that well, especially at this point when everything is now hitting faster to catch up when the sales are there.

We already know they are doing smaller runs of collector-only-interest figures, so these are likely to fit that bill. There likely won't be a glut of these figures, but that's not a bad thing because if there was, that'd be a bigger problem for the future. They can't put EVERYTHING out in November for the holiday push, there is a whole year of product that has to be planned 18 months in advance, some stuff has to be put out when it can fit and when it's ready. And keep in mind, the collectors who are driving this wave, they're not going to only buy it at holiday time, they'll come to the product whenever it hits.

The Force Unleashed wave was a different situation entirely though, it doesn't count as EU in your argument as its source material hadn't been released and it was released in the first half of '08, not the end of '07.

Hasbro doesn't control distribution beyond getting product to retailers, so they're not going to be able to guarantee saturation on any level.

I dunno, maybe I'm still missing your point, I really do sympathize with the concern, but I don't know what we can ask Hasbro that will get any pertinent knowledge or action done.

Since we wouldn't be asking the question until the middle of the month and wouldn't get the answer until December, and the answer is almost certainly going to be evasive, I suspect we should wait until after February when Toy Fair NY rolls around, probably we'll get a look there. We can try to ask specifics if you like though, but I'm not sure what exactly to ask there without it coming off vague. Also, keep in mind, so far they've totally passed the buck on this year's packaging to LFL so they may not even get the designs they want OK'ed.

As for sending that store problem data, we Q&A editors are the mouthpieces for you guys on that. I did this last year, it was a big chore because a lot of folks reported pretty sketchy problems, like "3 pegwarming figures that just came out!" and similar weirdness, so I had to filter the responses and it became a mess for me to deal with, people were mad that they had to justify the complaint in any way, and they REALLY didn't like being questioned (as many issues as I sent in, I got at least double that weren't usable data because they wouldn't give a reasonable estimate of the problem).


Then I'd rather just send in the store number as a problem than ask a question. If I add a question, it's going to have to be a systemic problem which we can't really back up a claim of, we can't say "a number of your store reps are doing _____" when we have a singular sampling. And as it's a singular sampling, it also doesn't bode well for votes. However, I can send in the store number and a brief description of the problem, they already said that's something they'll try to deal with.


What I am trying to acomplish is answers. Does Hasbro feel like they are shooting themselves in the foot by short changing collectors? Give EU a real chance and a real push like FU. Then I will hang on thier vaunted R&Ds every word. Poor release dates and scaling back on what is already a limited target market doesnt seem like the best idea. It may not matter for the particular wave in question or maybe it will if they refresh it and give it a real chance but it would surely make a difference down the road for characters released in 2010.

The patterns may not fit in your area or even the rest of the world but here in Minnesota that is the physical evidence I have witnesed with my own two eyes. As for not considering Fu as expanded universe, well maybe most collectors are as ignorant as me. All the adult collectors I know in person are clueless about online forums despite me referring them.

I'd really like to know how Hasbro gets thier numbers. You can say Clone Wars is selling strong and the Legacey line is suffering but how are they compared? Sales doesn't seem fair if people can only buy what is available. Then with CW having twice as much shelf space, a 30 minute weekly commercial and the mix ups at retailers that cant distinguish the 3 lines. Doesn't seem like a fair assessment to me at all.

I would argue that if you put a lightsaber in any figures hand that has Darth, Skywalker or Solo in the name, kids will eat it up for being a familiar name as well as collectors being like "Wtf? Who is that?" wich would generate more expanded universe interest.

Specifics for question number two. Will Hasbro be using a TPM all red card with Darth Mauls face for Saga Legends. The classic green Vader card for Legacy and the AOTC era blue card for Clone Wars? Maybe the round bubble on one line, the squared one on another and the coffin blister on the third. This may seem like overkill but if its what it takes to save one of my passions then so be it. Us as collectors are practically begging Hasbro to take our money as long as they give us something accurate, articulated and different characters that havent been done several times. Thats why I think the EU is so important because I can only stomache so many Lukes, Obi-wans, Anakins, Vaders and Clones every single year. Obviously they wont go back to those cards but having a full card colored something different perhaps with different iconic images on them would go a long ways. Despite was in the works already the sooner we get the issue resolved the better for all involved.

Gothiczartan
11-06-2009, 08:10 AM
I have a question about the release of the Darth Vader funeral set with luke skywalker that was seen on the display of the hasbro booth at the comic con and also will we see the Padme' funeral set and figures from ROTS as a exclusive?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/4079893398_e2821deb46_b.jpg

JediTricks
11-06-2009, 04:16 PM
Question 25 added.


I have a question about impossible SA Obi-Wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jin figures with A99 Aquata Breathers as seen in TPM

will we see same figures (soft good jedi robes included) from The Legacy Collection line retooled with head sculpts and breathers?Swimming Ep 3 Obi-Wan was not a popular figure, the breather gimmick didn't go over well with collectors or kids, so I doubt we'll see this come back. I'm not sure I want to use the question, I'm not saying "no" right now but I'm not adding it yet, I need to think about it more, maybe hear from other supporters of the idea first.



Hasbro has stated that there will not be a wave from A New Hope in 2010. Does this mean that there will not be any newly sculpted cantina figures in 2010 or might we see one or two in a battle pack, comic pack, exclusive, or other venue?I hate to add this question because the answer is so likely "no" - none of those are likely candidates for a Cantina denizen figure - but I can understand wanting to make sure the question gets asked to remind them that it could be done.



What I am trying to acomplish is answers. Does Hasbro feel like they are shooting themselves in the foot by short changing collectors? Give EU a real chance and a real push like FU. Then I will hang on thier vaunted R&Ds every word. Poor release dates and scaling back on what is already a limited target market doesnt seem like the best idea. It may not matter for the particular wave in question or maybe it will if they refresh it and give it a real chance but it would surely make a difference down the road for characters released in 2010.The push for TFU like the fact that they canceled an entire second wave of figures and instead relegated it to exclusive status? We have their responses to this stuff throughout the existing answers. Do they think they're shooting themselves in the foot? That's a "no", if anything, they probably feel like they're shooting themselves in the foot to MAKE those figures at all. Collector-oriented figures just aren't selling well, it's a miracle we're getting an EU wave at all considering all the product being canceled and pushed back. Comic Packs are in a dire way, Titanium Series is dead, an entire basic figure wave has been pushed out of the schedule while others have been pushed back to 2011, so to complain that the December release date for the EU wave doesn't meet with your approval seems to be pretty short-sighted. They have to plan an entire year of products, they still have to make products that sell throughout January through June, SOMETHING has to go there, if the choice is to release the EU wave in January or not at all, which is the better choice for you? And since the line is continuing through the Spring of '10, that means there are more chances to carry your EU figures forward into later cases - something that the last 2 waves of TLC won't get a chance to do at all.

December isn't a "poor release date", it's an adequate one. Hasbro's not trying to prove EU figures can sell, they already know they CAN'T compete with mainstream figures, that's why we have other venues like Comic Packs, and even that isn't moving now. I can't ask Hasbro a question about "why didn't you treat the EU wave better?!?" - what does EU do to deserve better treatment than any other wave? If anything, a January release window would at least gives collectors interested in those figures a chance to see their figures on pegs, during December there will be parents and gift-givers buying up everything with a SW logo on it no matter what so they'll be in shorter supply.

And this idea that the EU deserves the same push as TFU is ludicrous, TFU was scheduled to have a media blitz and strong entertainment support and a video game tie-in. The EU has nothing of the sort, it's quietly shrinking its audience off to the side where very few people notice it, it's a miracle we're getting any EU figures at all right now, it's only by the good graces of the current Hasbro SW team that we have these figures at all. Look at the era between 1999 and 2006, the EU had almost nothing released at all, yet between '07 and '10 we've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 times as many EU figures released. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.


The patterns may not fit in your area or even the rest of the world but here in Minnesota that is the physical evidence I have witnesed with my own two eyes. As for not considering Fu as expanded universe, well maybe most collectors are as ignorant as me. All the adult collectors I know in person are clueless about online forums despite me referring them.I never ask about empirical data, it's too risky, a problem in 1 area may not be the same as 99 others, so it ends up with this type of answer:

Hasbro: We will not be doing a similar pullback with the comic packs. Based on national sales data, a couple of those packs are very popular elsewhere and are not an issue, so you might be having a local pocket where there are not a lot of collectors to scoop up the extras. That has been the issue with the comic packs overall - a little but left of many issues which adds up to a chunk of packs that are slow to move off the pegs. We're hopeful the holidays will help clear it up a bit so we can get to our Spring figures.


I'd really like to know how Hasbro gets thier numbers. You can say Clone Wars is selling strong and the Legacey line is suffering but how are they compared? Sales doesn't seem fair if people can only buy what is available. Then with CW having twice as much shelf space, a 30 minute weekly commercial and the mix ups at retailers that cant distinguish the 3 lines. Doesn't seem like a fair assessment to me at all.We've asked, they don't get into specifics because of trade concerns, but they have national sales data (as mentioned in their answer I put in the last paragraph) directly from the major retailers' computers. About 8 years ago, the major manufacturers worked with the major retailers to create a computer system that tracks sales and inventory and transmits that data back to the manufacturers. Then, companies like Hasbro send out local store reps to ensure things are fitting within the data they're given, or to correct when they're not, and to ensure that their products are getting the treatment they are contracted to. Obviously this isn't a flawless system as Adam's post can attest to, but that's as much as we know to this point and it's more than Hasbro is willing to tell us on the "how".

They are comparing sales of Saga Legends, Clone Wars, and Legacy Collection to each other, and to their past sales performances, as they make up the 3 core lines of the brand.

"Fair"? I don't even understand what that is supposed to mean. How is that not a fair assessment? Clone Wars is selling well largely because it has entertainment support, why isn't that "fair"? You don't think Hasbro knows why retailers are ordering more Clone Wars, or why the market is buying more Clone Wars? They do. And we've already asked them about that comparison, about CW siphoning off sales from TLC, they say their sales data tracking (this is a whole industry unto itself) says that the TLC market mostly evaporated with the economy and that the buyers of CW are largely not the same market, that the buyers of movie figures didn't go to CW, they just went away. That answer seems "fair" in that they're saying CW isn't to blame for TLC's pain, whether or not we agree, we've asked them about it several times now.


I would argue that if you put a lightsaber in any figures hand that has Darth, Skywalker or Solo in the name, kids will eat it up for being a familiar name as well as collectors being like "Wtf? Who is that?" wich would generate more expanded universe interest.Well, none of us work at Hasbro, none of us can make those decisions, none of us have access to market testing or data tools or the proven skills to manage a major brand like this. We have our theories, and we can even advise, but ultimately it's just guessing on our end based on our narrow field of vision coming from our very subjective points of view. I mean, based on your argument, Cade Skywalker / Darth Talon pack should have sold well, it didn't. The Imperial Knights are some of the slowest moving Comic Packs ever despite being really cool figures. Target's not yet seeing a lot of movement on the Geonosis packs despite each one coming with a Jedi and being a pretty good deal for 2 figures in a battle diorama box. There's more to it than just slapping "Darth" or "Jedi" on a character and assuming the market will come to it - and in fact, a few years ago that was one of collectors' chief complaints, that there was too much of that going on.



Specifics for question number two. Will Hasbro be using a TPM all red card with Darth Mauls face for Saga Legends. The classic green Vader card for Legacy and the AOTC era blue card for Clone Wars? Maybe the round bubble on one line, the squared one on another and the coffin blister on the third. This may seem like overkill but if its what it takes to save one of my passions then so be it. Us as collectors are practically begging Hasbro to take our money as long as they give us something accurate, articulated and different characters that havent been done several times. Thats why I think the EU is so important because I can only stomache so many Lukes, Obi-wans, Anakins, Vaders and Clones every single year. Obviously they wont go back to those cards but having a full card colored something different perhaps with different iconic images on them would go a long ways. Despite was in the works already the sooner we get the issue resolved the better for all involved.I appreciate your passion, I wish more folks had it right now, a lot of collectors have already walked away from the line unfortunately, leaving the rest of us wondering how the line will survive next year. This unfortunately means there isn't any power behind any arguments we make from the "collectors are practically begging to give Hasbro our money" point of view, we are the passionate few that are driving the breadth of the line but not the depth of it. It also means that for every Luke we complain about, the casual consumer audience is buying, and they heavily outnumber us, so in order to ensure there is a line for us to get our Exar Kun figures, there needs to be Lukes and Vaders. You don't have to buy them, but without them, you wouldn't have any figures to buy at all as they are the bread & butter of the line.

I don't see a point to asking Hasbro what they're gonna do with the cards. They are going to come up with design suggestions and present them to Lucasfilm (they probably already have), Lucasfilm wants the brand to have a "family" look which IMO means LFL wants to sucker consumers into looking at products they otherwise would have not. The different shapes was done with the '08 line, TLC was a Stormtrooper helmet and CW was a Clonetrooper helmet, it didn't matter, they were still a "family" and store stockers didn't pay enough attention to notice. The cards are getting changed for mid 2010, asking what they're doing won't change that, it'll only make you mad that it doesn't fit your subjective vision for it.



I have a question about the release of the Darth Vader funeral set with luke skywalker that was seen on the display of the hasbro booth at the comic con and also will we see the Padme' funeral set and figures from ROTS as a exclusive?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/4079893398_e2821deb46_b.jpgThat Vader Funeral Pyre set isn't even confirmed yet, so I am not going to bother using it to ask about a Padme Funeral set that is even less likely.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
11-07-2009, 01:43 AM
On 22 - I noticed yesterday that the battle droids in these sets have their necks assembled backwards. Note the neck shape on the figure (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/galleries/Review_Joclad/pages/Review_Joclad02.htm) and from the film (http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/a/a0/Battledroids.jpg). Most of the previous battle droids had this correct, so it seems odd that they'd mess it up now. I just wanted to throw that out there to add on to the question.

JediTricks
11-07-2009, 03:02 AM
Dude, you're a machine! Nice catch, I'll mod the question.

RENDAR LIVES
11-09-2009, 09:39 AM
The push for TFU like the fact that they canceled an entire second wave of figures and instead relegated it to exclusive status? We have their responses to this stuff throughout the existing answers. Do they think they're shooting themselves in the foot? That's a "no", if anything, they probably feel like they're shooting themselves in the foot to MAKE those figures at all. Collector-oriented figures just aren't selling well, it's a miracle we're getting an EU wave at all considering all the product being canceled and pushed back. Comic Packs are in a dire way, Titanium Series is dead, an entire basic figure wave has been pushed out of the schedule while others have been pushed back to 2011, so to complain that the December release date for the EU wave doesn't meet with your approval seems to be pretty short-sighted. They have to plan an entire year of products, they still have to make products that sell throughout January through June, SOMETHING has to go there, if the choice is to release the EU wave in January or not at all, which is the better choice for you? And since the line is continuing through the Spring of '10, that means there are more chances to carry your EU figures forward into later cases - something that the last 2 waves of TLC won't get a chance to do at all.

December isn't a "poor release date", it's an adequate one. Hasbro's not trying to prove EU figures can sell, they already know they CAN'T compete with mainstream figures, that's why we have other venues like Comic Packs, and even that isn't moving now. I can't ask Hasbro a question about "why didn't you treat the EU wave better?!?" - what does EU do to deserve better treatment than any other wave? If anything, a January release window would at least gives collectors interested in those figures a chance to see their figures on pegs, during December there will be parents and gift-givers buying up everything with a SW logo on it no matter what so they'll be in shorter supply.

And this idea that the EU deserves the same push as TFU is ludicrous, TFU was scheduled to have a media blitz and strong entertainment support and a video game tie-in. The EU has nothing of the sort, it's quietly shrinking its audience off to the side where very few people notice it, it's a miracle we're getting any EU figures at all right now, it's only by the good graces of the current Hasbro SW team that we have these figures at all. Look at the era between 1999 and 2006, the EU had almost nothing released at all, yet between '07 and '10 we've gotten somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 times as many EU figures released. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I never ask about empirical data, it's too risky, a problem in 1 area may not be the same as 99 others, so it ends up with this type of answer:

Hasbro: We will not be doing a similar pullback with the comic packs. Based on national sales data, a couple of those packs are very popular elsewhere and are not an issue, so you might be having a local pocket where there are not a lot of collectors to scoop up the extras. That has been the issue with the comic packs overall - a little but left of many issues which adds up to a chunk of packs that are slow to move off the pegs. We're hopeful the holidays will help clear it up a bit so we can get to our Spring figures.
We've asked, they don't get into specifics because of trade concerns, but they have national sales data (as mentioned in their answer I put in the last paragraph) directly from the major retailers' computers. About 8 years ago, the major manufacturers worked with the major retailers to create a computer system that tracks sales and inventory and transmits that data back to the manufacturers. Then, companies like Hasbro send out local store reps to ensure things are fitting within the data they're given, or to correct when they're not, and to ensure that their products are getting the treatment they are contracted to. Obviously this isn't a flawless system as Adam's post can attest to, but that's as much as we know to this point and it's more than Hasbro is willing to tell us on the "how".

They are comparing sales of Saga Legends, Clone Wars, and Legacy Collection to each other, and to their past sales performances, as they make up the 3 core lines of the brand.

"Fair"? I don't even understand what that is supposed to mean. How is that not a fair assessment? Clone Wars is selling well largely because it has entertainment support, why isn't that "fair"? You don't think Hasbro knows why retailers are ordering more Clone Wars, or why the market is buying more Clone Wars? They do. And we've already asked them about that comparison, about CW siphoning off sales from TLC, they say their sales data tracking (this is a whole industry unto itself) says that the TLC market mostly evaporated with the economy and that the buyers of CW are largely not the same market, that the buyers of movie figures didn't go to CW, they just went away. That answer seems "fair" in that they're saying CW isn't to blame for TLC's pain, whether or not we agree, we've asked them about it several times now.

Well, none of us work at Hasbro, none of us can make those decisions, none of us have access to market testing or data tools or the proven skills to manage a major brand like this. We have our theories, and we can even advise, but ultimately it's just guessing on our end based on our narrow field of vision coming from our very subjective points of view. I mean, based on your argument, Cade Skywalker / Darth Talon pack should have sold well, it didn't. The Imperial Knights are some of the slowest moving Comic Packs ever despite being really cool figures. Target's not yet seeing a lot of movement on the Geonosis packs despite each one coming with a Jedi and being a pretty good deal for 2 figures in a battle diorama box. There's more to it than just slapping "Darth" or "Jedi" on a character and assuming the market will come to it - and in fact, a few years ago that was one of collectors' chief complaints, that there was too much of that going on.


I appreciate your passion, I wish more folks had it right now, a lot of collectors have already walked away from the line unfortunately, leaving the rest of us wondering how the line will survive next year. This unfortunately means there isn't any power behind any arguments we make from the "collectors are practically begging to give Hasbro our money" point of view, we are the passionate few that are driving the breadth of the line but not the depth of it. It also means that for every Luke we complain about, the casual consumer audience is buying, and they heavily outnumber us, so in order to ensure there is a line for us to get our Exar Kun figures, there needs to be Lukes and Vaders. You don't have to buy them, but without them, you wouldn't have any figures to buy at all as they are the bread & butter of the line.

I don't see a point to asking Hasbro what they're gonna do with the cards. They are going to come up with design suggestions and present them to Lucasfilm (they probably already have), Lucasfilm wants the brand to have a "family" look which IMO means LFL wants to sucker consumers into looking at products they otherwise would have not. The different shapes was done with the '08 line, TLC was a Stormtrooper helmet and CW was a Clonetrooper helmet, it didn't matter, they were still a "family" and store stockers didn't pay enough attention to notice. The cards are getting changed for mid 2010, asking what they're doing won't change that, it'll only make you mad that it doesn't fit your subjective vision for it.



Well Iíd say canceling and pushing back product is a shot in the foot. Itís R&D and tooling that the consumer will be expected to pick up thanks to wastefulness and the majority of the time itís something they release as an exclusive or squeez into the line down the road. So either way they get their money. Do you really think just because a video game a bunch of hardcore went out and bought the TFU figures? I very much doubt that. If anything I'm sure it was the other way around.

They said in a recent Q&A that some of the comic packs are still selling well. We have no idea wich ones those are but for all we know it could be those particular ones you mentioned. Besides, one could argue that sales on them has slipped just for the fact that they started doing more repacks in those not to mention the unappealing colors of the Marvel comics ones. Also note what is currently sold out at HTS. The new EU comic packs featuring Kyle Katarn, Yuzan Vong and Lumiya.

Luke and Vader may be the bread and butter but Mattelís track record for dumping toy lines down the toilet is a great example. Take for instance the revived MOTU or a Batman toy line of theirs. They come out with 6 Batmanís or He-mans and 1 other figure per wave wich creates a cluster#!$* on the pegs. The case ratios were awful. Granted, I wouldn't even want any other figures if I couldn't have the most pivotal ones in the series but it doesn't need to be Sky strike Anakin, Deep Sea Obi-wan, Adventure Gear Padme, Space cadet Vader wich is exactly where the CW is going. The legacy line brings us figures like Han with Storm trooper vest and Chewy with headgear wich is great for people who missed them the last time around and they got new accessories to boot, but that should be something for Legends and would actually justify maintaining the price point the new figures have since the tools are already done and they have already sold enough to offset the cost in the first place.

I'd rather have a January release than none at all. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. I want my concerns heard. As you say, we are few and I would hate to see it get worse. Sure cartoons drive sales but then you are arguing that every parent is buying their kids every Transformer, G.I, Joe, Marvel toy, Batman B&B, Bakugon and Ben 10 as well as Lego and anything else I am missing. That scope is far too broad to just be kids. There has to be a good chunk of collectors to give every toy line on the pegs right now somewhat healthy sales. I don't disagree that kids are the majority, but there is no denying parents influence over their kidís choices inadvertently or not. We have kept the merchandising going for 30+ years. Look at Kotobukia and force FX and all the other collector targeted things at Starwarsshop and online. Much of it is expensive to offset the high cost of tooling for low production numbers but the market is still massive.

Another argument would be the Transformers classics being a huge collector wank and Hasbro even admitted to how surprised they were by its sales. It may only be a sub line but it is highly popular and they plan to return it when the movie line dries up. Same with G.I.Joe 25th anniversary figures. They listened to fans and gave them SA updates of classic characters and it was a tremendous boost to the brand. All the movie crap and cartoons are just a fad that will pass in time. Usually when the hype dies down. Star Wars is timeless. Like I said, 3 movies lasted us 20 years and then another 3 got us another 10. If you want to go by the numbers they say kids arenít into toys like they were and have moved onto video games. So if the target market is under 10 then where the hell are all the sales really coming from? Wether itís for my kids or myself, the money comes from my pocket. Star Wars may be in a funk right now but it will get better. Unfortunately things usually get worse before they get better.

Thanks for putting up with me Tricks. I know I don't make the job any easier and you made good points, mostly that Hasbro wont care. Do you really think they started these Q&As for all their lines on all these sites because collectors aren't enough to make or break them? That insight is invaluable. Still, a lot of Hasbro responses don't add up and anyone in business knows there are plenty of flaws and number fluffing. Draw 3 overlapping circles and label them consumer, company and employee. Then shade in the area that all 3 overlap. It's the smallest area but it's the only place all 3 meet. That's business, it's a symbiotic relationship. If you shade in just the employee and company the consumer gets screwed, if you shade in the employee and consumer the company gets screwed, and so on. Any business that doesn't know that wonít last very long.

I know you can only go by what Hasbro says is fact but what do you really think? Does all of their "this justifies that" make sense to you 100% of the time?

RENDAR LIVES
11-09-2009, 09:44 AM
And what 2nd TFU wave did they boot to exclusive status? The only exclusive I knew of was the Stormtrooper commander and we are still getting Shaak Ti.

JediTricks
11-09-2009, 02:17 PM
And what 2nd TFU wave did they boot to exclusive status? The only exclusive I knew of was the Stormtrooper commander and we are still getting Shaak Ti.
Then you should read the Q&A more. There's a whole second wave of TFU that was scheduled before everything got pushed back, and it got pushed out, including Proxy, a different take on Juno, a new Galen Marek (Vader's Secret Apprentice), "several trooper variants", and others. Now that the wave is 2 5-packs, it'll have an update on the Jumptrooper with an actual jump-jet pack. Shaak-Ti is not in that series though, she's part of the EU wave still.



Luke and Vader may be the bread and butter but Mattel’s track record for dumping toy lines down the toilet is a great example. Take for instance the revived MOTU or a Batman toy line of theirs. They come out with 6 Batman’s or He-mans and 1 other figure per wave wich creates a cluster#!$* on the pegs. The case ratios were awful. Granted, I wouldn't even want any other figures if I couldn't have the most pivotal ones in the series but it doesn't need to be Sky strike Anakin, DeepSea Obi-wan, Adventure Gear Padme, Space cadet Vader wich is exactly where the CW is going. The legacy line brings us figures like Han with Storm trooper vest and Chewy with headgear wich is great for people who missed them the last time around and they got new accessories to boot, but that should be something for Legends and would actually justify maintaining the price point the new figures have since the tools are already done and they have already sold enough to offset the cost in the first place.Star Wars ain't He-Man, and Kenner was successful with Batman variants, making over 100 different Batman figures in their decade-long run. Bottom line: Hasbro ain't Mattel. You complain that Clone Wars is "going all MOTU" and yet CW is selling very well.


That scope is far too broad to just be kids. There has to be a good chunk of collectors to give every toy line on the pegs right now somewhat healthy sales.This is the core of why I'm not adding your question, this stuff has been asked time and time again by both us and other sites, and it's been repudiated every single time by the only entity who has done any market research beyond limited, subjective, empirical data.


We have kept the merchandising going for 30+ years. Look at Kotobukia and force FX and all the other collector targeted things at Starwarsshop and online. Much of it is expensive to offset the high cost of tooling for low production numbers but the market is still massive.You just stepped on your own toes with that last sentence. "But the market is still massive," how would you know, do you have sales data at your fingertips on these to back that claim up? eFX, Sideshow, Koto US, GG, none of them do more than a couple thousand units per item at their best runs. That is not a massive market, it is a passionate one, but a market modest in number.


Another argument would be the Transformers classics being a huge collector wank and Hasbro even admitted to how surprised they were by its sales. It may only be a sub line but it is highly popular and they plan to return it when the movie line dries up.I run our TF Q&A, I run my own small TF site with its Q&A, and I covered Botcon this year for AF, and I don't remember anything of the sort claiming they were SURPRISED by its sales, if that were the case it wouldn't be so free to go on hiatus anytime something new comes along. Just like SW, TF Universe / Classics is a market based not on growing the brand but on ensuring the remaining core collectors are satiated. Stuff like Animated is where they can grow the brand by retelling and expanding the mythos created via G1.


Star Wars is timeless. Like I said, 3 movies lasted us 20 years and then another 3 got us another 10. Tell that to the dark times between '84 (I'm counting '85 as a dark time, when POTF1 waned into clearance it was painful) to '94 (Micro Machines' sales were quite strong before Kenner/Hasbro returned to the scene). I remember as a kid living near LAX, across the street from my house was the SW 10th anniversary convention in the Concourse Hotel, Lucas was there, yet it was TINY compared to the massive Trek convention in Anaheim that same year.


If you want to go by the numbers they say kids aren’t into toys like they were and have moved onto video games. So if the target market is under 10 then where the hell are all the sales really coming from?Kids and casual consumers were the driving force of the line, and still are with Clone Wars, but them not being a part of TLC is why that line is suffering, when they and a chunk of the hardcore collectors are leaving, there's not many folks left to take up the slack.


mostly that Hasbro wont careHave you met these folks in person at any of the conventions? Starting with Celebration IV and moving on to Comic-Con '07, then '08 and '09, I have met with them, and in my experiences I can tell you for sure that the Hasbro SW Team does care about this stuff, a lot. If they didn't care, your EU wave would have been put on the back burner a year ago, my Titanium Series Outrider never would have been released, Count Dooku's Force FX Lightsaber wouldn't exist at all, there'd be no BMF. Under the latest management the last 6 years, the line has gone from a floundering mess with no aim into much more balanced, thoughtful, controlled line that delivers 4 dozen or so high-quality basics a year and does everything it can to keep itself afloat and satisfying us collectors while remaining solvent within corporate's budget constraints and a myriad of other issues.

It wasn't so long ago that Ep 1 and Saga were suffering delayed figures all the time, mismatched pacing, low numbers of new figures per year, and a million other problems. Derryl has tried to ensure each wave is focused and has something to offer kids, collectors, fans of every type without overwhelming the market with slow-moving figures. Mark B has been designing our ships for 32 years and is still at it, still trying to cram more detail and features into these things without breaking the budget too badly. Brian M has turned the horrors of exclusives into something that actually delivers where the mainline simply cannot, and in the process is trying to make sure vehicle re-releases are getting necessary updates like gimmick and cockpit redesigns. Heck, this year's comic-con, one of the "Hasbro that won't care" guys talked to me passionately about why he was concerned that fans might not be content with pre-applied stickers in the new TIE Fighter cockpit, but that he couldn't get paint done in there so it was the only way to deliver that much detail in that area - this same guy who finally got us a TIE cockpit that didn't look all 30-years-outdated sloppy and took the time to research the length of the laser cannons on each model then came up with a solution to match both and took a rarely-mentioned ejector seat and made it a reality.

They care, that's why this Q&A has been so successful, they really give a crap, they're not just phoning it in, but we either have to accept that they are using the best management and marketing tools at their disposal to ensure the brand is doing the best it can, or we have to toss out their existing responses and assume they know LESS than we collectors. The thing is, we collectors don't have sales tools, don't have access to national retailer data and focus testing, we have our guesses that are at best educated and based on subjective data. So either we're wrong about our assumptions and Hasbro knows what they're talking about, or we're right and have nothing to back up our claims which means the line will fold no matter what we say.


Do you really think they started these Q&As for all their lines on all these sites because collectors aren't enough to make or break them? That insight is invaluable. Only SW has held its own in Q&A, the GI Joe one I hear nothing but bad things about, and TF has had a tremendous falloff in just 8 rounds. It's not OUR insight that is valuable, it's that they want to best use THEIR insight to address our concerns, and only the SW team is doing a really good job of that IMO. We collectors don't know squat, the only thing we know is that each one of us is "right", that we have a lot of opinions we form into theories without much foundation. We can't even agree amongst ourselves whether removable blades are good or bad on lightsaber accessories, and we're the geniuses who suggest and inspire stuff like Yarna and Willrow Hood and Breha Organa and Rebel Honor Guards and cut-scene Biggs and Jabba's 2nd Drummer and Lando in Han's Vest and baby Ewoks and an entire wave of realistic Clone Wars micro-series figures and Queen Amidala in Travel Gown and WIOSLEA! For god's sake, it's a used car salesman with a giant goofy head, a thousand eyes, and boobs!


Still, a lot of Hasbro responses don't add up and anyone in business knows there are plenty of flaws and number fluffing. Says you, with nothing to back it up though beyond subjective, local, empirical info. And "number fluffing"? They don't give us numbers, that's policy, so that claim is just about how you feel, nothing more.


Does all of their "this justifies that" make sense to you 100% of the time?Having spent the last 3 years reading every single answer, I would say that Hasbro is consistent in their reasoning most of the time, that their answers don't always prove the course of action I would take but they generally seem to be coming from a place that makes sense, a logic that can be followed. I've been on these SW forums for a decade, seen a lot of half-baked theories, a lot of assumptions, and a lot of minds made up without any thought to anything but their own POVs.

The fact that Hasbro has gotten retailers to order another wave of EU figures, that they are already on cargo ships headed towards distribution centers now, in spite of the poor track record of EU figure sales in the past and the woefully weakened state of the line overall, that makes me believe that the SW Hasbro team knows a thing or 2 about what they're doing, that they are working hard to keep the line healthy enough to deliver crazy stuff like this so it doesn't fold under again.

Nobody is going to be satisfied with everything they say or do, you can't please all of the people all of the time, but I just don't see how chastising them for doing their best to release a wave of figures only a small subset of collectors want - one, I might add, that is already being delivered despite retailer and consumer hesitation - is going to address or fix anything, much less that anything in that situation needs addressing at all.

El Chuxter
11-09-2009, 02:42 PM
Star Wars ain't He-Man, and Kenner was successful with Batman variants, making over 100 different Batman figures in their decade-long run. Bottom line: Hasbro ain't Mattel. You complain that Clone Wars is "going all MOTU" and yet CW is selling very well.

I thought you agreed with me what killed the line for Kenner/Hasbro, and the mistake that Mattel repeated, was the insane proliferation of "Skateboard Caveman Batman with Neon Urban Camo Jetpack" Batman figures, with the few villains and supporting characters who were made being impossible to find, and many extremely important characters (like Gordon or Alfred) never being produced at all (or showing up late in the game as exclusive pack-ins in overpriced TRU sets).

For most Batman lines in the past 20 years, it's been next to impossible to get a "basic" Batman in movie-accurate armor, or in the basic black-and-grey or blue-and-grey suit from the TV shows and comics.


WIOSLEA! For god's sake, it's a used car salesman with a giant goofy head, a thousand eyes, and boobs!

And some fine boobs they are. :beard:

Droid
11-09-2009, 03:12 PM
1. Yarna was a good idea for a figure, poorly distributed.

2. I never saw the baby Ewok peg warm. I think that 2-pack did pretty well.
I think the Ewoks are good sellers, carefully spaced out.

3. The April Fool's joke still makes me mad.

4. The distribution of McQuarrie figures was poorly done.

5. I was vicious about Hasbro's Q&As at the beginning. I thought they were
secretive and that it read like a pentagon briefing. However, I think that
many sites, particularly ours, have learned to submit questions in a way
that can provide really rich answers. I enjoy the game of what will they
reveal given the right question. I have come around to thinking that the
Q&As are a remarkable connection between an enormous entity and a
tiny group of consumers. I think we are lucky to have it and appreciate
the job JediTricks does running it, even when he rejects some of
my questions. But I really think it is amazing that I have written
questions Hasbro answered which the entire collecting community read!

Can you imagine now going back to only getting information at convention
time?

How great is it that if we want to know if the baby Ewok is sculpted to
the basket we ask and two or three weeks later we get an answer with
an attached picture?

Ando
11-09-2009, 03:29 PM
3. The April Fool's joke still makes me mad.

What was the April Fool's joke?

El Chuxter
11-09-2009, 03:37 PM
A few years ago (2006?), at Comic-Con, Hasbro announced a "Fan Favorites" wave for later that year. The first character shown (all photos from the movie, no figures) was Yarna. Second was Wilrow. I believe Funeral Pyre Vader was next. When the rest of the wave was all dead people (burnt Own and Beru, Funeral Pyre Qui-Gon, and dead Jawa 2-pack), people started catching on. Then they announced it as an April Fool's joke, and sorta p***ed off people who thought there was hope for Yarna and Wilrow, both of whom were denied by Hasbro for another year or so.

(Of course, we didn't know Yarna would be produced in such numbers that even a San Diego exclusive Lava Reflection Holographic Jorg Sacul who cost $10 and was packed with a $20 bill wouldn't be able to sell.)

JediTricks
11-09-2009, 03:59 PM
I thought you agreed with me what killed the line for Kenner/Hasbro, and the mistake that Mattel repeated, was the insane proliferation of "Skateboard Caveman Batman with Neon Urban Camo Jetpack" Batman figures, with the few villains and supporting characters who were made being impossible to find, and many extremely important characters (like Gordon or Alfred) never being produced at all (or showing up late in the game as exclusive pack-ins in overpriced TRU sets).What killed the line for Hasbro was that there was no entertainment support, so sales eventually sagged and DC decided to take their license to a new company, telling them to start producing more Batman figures right away using the Hasbro tooling no less, that was on DC. The kids were still buying Neon Camo Batman (a real figure, I kid you folks not), one doesn't make 100 different Batman figures without doing something right. Mattel has done no better with that crap, and yet they still have the license, they're still doing something with it. It's annoying, but it keeps the flow of Batman figures coming year after year. Gordon doesn't sell for crap, look at the DCIH 3pack with Gordon, even on mega-clearance it took a while to sell through (I won't bother debating the whole line being crap, but Gordon for $3 and he's still not selling? C'mon). Kids don't want to buy Gordon all that much, so companies need to look to ways to keep the line afloat until they can sneak that in. Secondary villains in general don't sell that well in general, Decepticons fare worse than Autobots in sales to the point where they released a whole TF line in Japan with just 1 Decepticon/Destron (which made for a US line with 1 new mold and a ton of repaints). It's just not that easy to manage a toy line, especially in the modern competitive and voracious market sold chiefly by big national corporations who have no time to be patient.


For most Batman lines in the past 20 years, it's been next to impossible to get a "basic" Batman in movie-accurate armor, or in the basic black-and-grey or blue-and-grey suit from the TV shows and comics.They are starting to get better about this, including 1 per wave carried over or with a new accessory, but the problem is that Batman simply doesn't have a broad enough brand to carry a myriad of other characters the way Star Wars, GI Joe, or Transformers does.

The thing with Batman toy lines is if you don't want to do a thousand kid-friendly variants to keep the line going, you have 2 choices: frontload all the good characters early on and watch sales taper off to die quickly, or release to just the uber-niche comic market at ultra-high prices because the mainstream market won't follow you.



And some fine boobs they are. :beard:I'll tell your wife you're moving in with Wioslea then. You disgust me sir. :p How many Wioslea figures do you own, btw?



1. Yarna was a good idea for a figure, poorly distributed.

2. I never saw the baby Ewok peg warm. I think that 2-pack did pretty well.
I think the Ewoks are good sellers, carefully spaced out.I didn't say Yarna wasn't a good idea, just a weird one, a collector-oriented one that led to pegwarming.

Baby ewoks are not fun action figures, whether or not they sell.

"carefully spaced out" means they aren't good sellers, it means they are fair sellers individually but together are horrible sellers because they slow sales overall, hence releasing 1 set a year rather than 1 every 3 months. And since sales are fair, it means there's not a lot of demand.


4. The distribution of McQuarrie figures was poorly done.I wasn't thrilled, but honestly, I don't think they could have done any better, I don't think you or I or any collector could have done any better either. They were protecting a potential flop subline from completely failing. They ramped up and re-released the popular early ones.


5. I was vicious about Hasbro's Q&As at the beginning. I thought they were
secretive and that it read like a pentagon briefing. However, I think that
many sites, particularly ours, have learned to submit questions in a way
that can provide really rich answers. I enjoy the game of what will they
reveal given the right question. I have come around to thinking that the
Q&As are a remarkable connection between an enormous entity and a
tiny group of consumers. I think we are lucky to have it and appreciate
the job JediTricks does running it, even when he rejects some of
my questions. But I really think it is amazing that I have written
questions Hasbro answered which the entire collecting community read!

Can you imagine now going back to only getting information at convention
time?

How great is it that if we want to know if the baby Ewok is sculpted to
the basket we ask and two or three weeks later we get an answer with
an attached picture? :thumbsup:



What was the April Fool's joke? At Comic-Con 2006, Hasbro had a panel where they started it with a slide of "best ever!" fan-favs saying, revealed 1 at a time, that they were going to release Yarna, Willrow Hood, dead Beru & Owen, a dead Jawa, dead Qui-Gon, and funeral Vader, then revealed the release date of 4/1/07. http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=18691
It garnered a ton of negative backlash, collectors taking the joke in bad taste, making light of their oft-requested odder choices. Ironically, a mere 3 years later, we're looking at half of those figures out or designed.

Ando
11-09-2009, 04:13 PM
At Comic-Con 2006, Hasbro had a panel where they started it with a slide of "best ever!" fan-favs saying, revealed 1 at a time, that they were going to release Yarna, Willrow Hood, dead Beru & Owen, a dead Jawa, dead Qui-Gon, and funeral Vader, then revealed the release date of 4/1/07. http://photos.sirstevesguide.com/showphoto.php?photo=18691
It garnered a ton of negative backlash, collectors taking the joke in bad taste, making light of their oft-requested odder choices. Ironically, a mere 3 years later, we're looking at half of those figures out or designed.

So let me get this straight... They did a April Fool's Day joke in LATE July? Clever. Even their jokes need better pacing... :razz:

Looks like in regards to Yarna, the joke was kinda on them.

JediTricks
11-09-2009, 04:21 PM
They only generally get once a year to interact with the fans in person, so they make do.

I think the Yarna joke was on retailers.

Ando
11-09-2009, 04:27 PM
I think the Yarna joke was on retailers.

Touche!:thumbsup:

El Chuxter
11-09-2009, 04:53 PM
Looks like in regards to Yarna, the joke was kinda on them.
I think the Yarna joke was on retailers.
Touche!:thumbsup:
Zing!lol

JT, I didn't realize that was DC's doing regarding the repeat of Hasbro's Sunshine Ninja Batman and his Thousand Batman Friends. Regardless, do you think that if, at the height of popularity of Batman: The Animated Series, or even during the period when kids still read comic books, the line might've done better if there were more bad guys for Batman to fight? I know a lot of people of different ages who all have expressed the same complaint: it was easy to get Batman, even if not in a traditional outfit, slightly harder to get Robin, and really tough to get a bad guy. If you wanted a bad guy other than the occasional Joker, or a relatively unpopular fellow like Clayface, it was next to impossible. And there were never more than two or three (theoretically) available at any given time, they were shortpacked, and, if your favorite baddie wasn't one of the "heavy hitters," you were SOL. (Cornelius Shirk figure, anyone? Hugo Strange? The great thing about Batman is his main villains are mostly really strong, Riddler notwithstanding, but everyone who follows him has a favorite baddie who is incredibly obscure to everyone else.)

I knew a lot of kids who gave up. They liked Batman, but he had no enemies that were easily available to most younger fans.

Even I didn't buy the Gordon in the DCIH line, true. But that whole line is a fiasco. Aside from the fact that they've got some s***ty sculpts that wouldn't pass muster ten years ago (sorry, they're so bad, bad language is required to describe them), they're totally scattershot among the entire universe. DC is notorious for minor characters with small but rabid followings, but who everyone else hates or is indifferent to. IIRC, I could get Batman, Robin, Gordon, GCPD Officers, Joker, and, uh, wasn't that it for Batman? I don't care about Mirror Master or Captain Cold; Flash's rogue's gallery is such a joke I won't even capitalize it. I never got into Teen Titans and hated Supergirl (not because she was a girl, but having any other Kryptonians survive to become heroes on Earth undermines what makes Superman great), so I think the only other figures I could've possibly have been interested in were the handful of Green Lanterns, Superman, and Lex Luthor (who had the stupid Silver Age costume that never, ever, ever, ever, ever should've been brought back from the pre-Crisis world). It was a pretty pathetic line, all said. Had the Batman/Superman line that changed names about six times before becoming the current larger-scale line at a greatly inflated price ever included a Gordon, or even a Bullock or Montoya (not as the Question), I would've been first in line to get him (or her).

RENDAR LIVES
11-11-2009, 11:05 AM
Then you should read the Q&A more. There's a whole second wave of TFU that was scheduled before everything got pushed back, and it got pushed out, including Proxy, a different take on Juno, a new Galen Marek (Vader's Secret Apprentice), "several trooper variants", and others. Now that the wave is 2 5-packs, it'll have an update on the Jumptrooper with an actual jump-jet pack. Shaak-Ti is not in that series though, she's part of the EU wave still.


Star Wars ain't He-Man, and Kenner was successful with Batman variants, making over 100 different Batman figures in their decade-long run. Bottom line: Hasbro ain't Mattel. You complain that Clone Wars is "going all MOTU" and yet CW is selling very well.

This is the core of why I'm not adding your question, this stuff has been asked time and time again by both us and other sites, and it's been repudiated every single time by the only entity who has done any market research beyond limited, subjective, empirical data.

You just stepped on your own toes with that last sentence. "But the market is still massive," how would you know, do you have sales data at your fingertips on these to back that claim up? eFX, Sideshow, Koto US, GG, none of them do more than a couple thousand units per item at their best runs. That is not a massive market, it is a passionate one, but a market modest in number.

I run our TF Q&A, I run my own small TF site with its Q&A, and I covered Botcon this year for AF, and I don't remember anything of the sort claiming they were SURPRISED by its sales, if that were the case it wouldn't be so free to go on hiatus anytime something new comes along. Just like SW, TF Universe / Classics is a market based not on growing the brand but on ensuring the remaining core collectors are satiated. Stuff like Animated is where they can grow the brand by retelling and expanding the mythos created via G1.

Tell that to the dark times between '84 (I'm counting '85 as a dark time, when POTF1 waned into clearance it was painful) to '94 (Micro Machines' sales were quite strong before Kenner/Hasbro returned to the scene). I remember as a kid living near LAX, across the street from my house was the SW 10th anniversary convention in the Concourse Hotel, Lucas was there, yet it was TINY compared to the massive Trek convention in Anaheim that same year.

Kids and casual consumers were the driving force of the line, and still are with Clone Wars, but them not being a part of TLC is why that line is suffering, when they and a chunk of the hardcore collectors are leaving, there's not many folks left to take up the slack.

Have you met these folks in person at any of the conventions? Starting with Celebration IV and moving on to Comic-Con '07, then '08 and '09, I have met with them, and in my experiences I can tell you for sure that the Hasbro SW Team does care about this stuff, a lot. If they didn't care, your EU wave would have been put on the back burner a year ago, my Titanium Series Outrider never would have been released, Count Dooku's Force FX Lightsaber wouldn't exist at all, there'd be no BMF. Under the latest management the last 6 years, the line has gone from a floundering mess with no aim into much more balanced, thoughtful, controlled line that delivers 4 dozen or so high-quality basics a year and does everything it can to keep itself afloat and satisfying us collectors while remaining solvent within corporate's budget constraints and a myriad of other issues.

It wasn't so long ago that Ep 1 and Saga were suffering delayed figures all the time, mismatched pacing, low numbers of new figures per year, and a million other problems. Derryl has tried to ensure each wave is focused and has something to offer kids, collectors, fans of every type without overwhelming the market with slow-moving figures. Mark B has been designing our ships for 32 years and is still at it, still trying to cram more detail and features into these things without breaking the budget too badly. Brian M has turned the horrors of exclusives into something that actually delivers where the mainline simply cannot, and in the process is trying to make sure vehicle re-releases are getting necessary updates like gimmick and cockpit redesigns. Heck, this year's comic-con, one of the "Hasbro that won't care" guys talked to me passionately about why he was concerned that fans might not be content with pre-applied stickers in the new TIE Fighter cockpit, but that he couldn't get paint done in there so it was the only way to deliver that much detail in that area - this same guy who finally got us a TIE cockpit that didn't look all 30-years-outdated sloppy and took the time to research the length of the laser cannons on each model then came up with a solution to match both and took a rarely-mentioned ejector seat and made it a reality.

They care, that's why this Q&A has been so successful, they really give a crap, they're not just phoning it in, but we either have to accept that they are using the best management and marketing tools at their disposal to ensure the brand is doing the best it can, or we have to toss out their existing responses and assume they know LESS than we collectors. The thing is, we collectors don't have sales tools, don't have access to national retailer data and focus testing, we have our guesses that are at best educated and based on subjective data. So either we're wrong about our assumptions and Hasbro knows what they're talking about, or we're right and have nothing to back up our claims which means the line will fold no matter what we say.

Only SW has held its own in Q&A, the GI Joe one I hear nothing but bad things about, and TF has had a tremendous falloff in just 8 rounds. It's not OUR insight that is valuable, it's that they want to best use THEIR insight to address our concerns, and only the SW team is doing a really good job of that IMO. We collectors don't know squat, the only thing we know is that each one of us is "right", that we have a lot of opinions we form into theories without much foundation. We can't even agree amongst ourselves whether removable blades are good or bad on lightsaber accessories, and we're the geniuses who suggest and inspire stuff like Yarna and Willrow Hood and Breha Organa and Rebel Honor Guards and cut-scene Biggs and Jabba's 2nd Drummer and Lando in Han's Vest and baby Ewoks and an entire wave of realistic Clone Wars micro-series figures and Queen Amidala in Travel Gown and WIOSLEA! For god's sake, it's a used car salesman with a giant goofy head, a thousand eyes, and boobs!

Says you, with nothing to back it up though beyond subjective, local, empirical info. And "number fluffing"? They don't give us numbers, that's policy, so that claim is just about how you feel, nothing more.

Having spent the last 3 years reading every single answer, I would say that Hasbro is consistent in their reasoning most of the time, that their answers don't always prove the course of action I would take but they generally seem to be coming from a place that makes sense, a logic that can be followed. I've been on these SW forums for a decade, seen a lot of half-baked theories, a lot of assumptions, and a lot of minds made up without any thought to anything but their own POVs.

The fact that Hasbro has gotten retailers to order another wave of EU figures, that they are already on cargo ships headed towards distribution centers now, in spite of the poor track record of EU figure sales in the past and the woefully weakened state of the line overall, that makes me believe that the SW Hasbro team knows a thing or 2 about what they're doing, that they are working hard to keep the line healthy enough to deliver crazy stuff like this so it doesn't fold under again.

Nobody is going to be satisfied with everything they say or do, you can't please all of the people all of the time, but I just don't see how chastising them for doing their best to release a wave of figures only a small subset of collectors want - one, I might add, that is already being delivered despite retailer and consumer hesitation - is going to address or fix anything, much less that anything in that situation needs addressing at all.

I read it pretty regularly but not always. Besides it isn't fun to dig around in all the past Q&As. Those figures sound great. Who is doing the exclusives?

No Hasbro isn't Mattel. Just wait until people get sick of all the clone repaints and "____" outfit Anakins. There are very few popular original characters like Cad Bane. This is a fad that I'm sure will pass when the live action show hits or people get upset with how Anakin and Obi-wan can squeeze all the continuity into the 3 year CW timeline. Besides, you don't have numbers to back up that CW is selling very well. Remember?

I don't have the sales data but those who do refuse to share as you say. So I guess it's their word against mine but I can only speak for what I see. Hasbro can tell me all they want that certain figures are selling well and that the same figures I am seeing when I go to Wal-Mart or Target every few days are just new ones and the old ones sold. Too coincidental. I guess I could always bend the cards to find out for sure.

I know that even with higher costs and lower production runs on those collector markets that there is thousands upon thousands of dollars being spent on those markets collectively. It's so huge and diverse and I doubt just selling a few dozen of whatever specific merchandise is enough to sustain any of them. Most sell out. That's how I know. When you go to order and it says "SOLD OUT".

Okay. So you might remember when Aaron Archer was going by Orson on the TFW2005 boards. He was interacting with the fans and even criticized his own work like any true artist does better than anyone else. After some TF site complained about favoritism that ended but people still find ways. S250 seems to have a lot of insider info. I wouldn't be surprised to see Aaron going by a new handle. The G.I.Joe Q&A one is a lot like how sirstevesguide started as Droid said. The answers used to be very cryptic or not an answer at all. Besides my comment was about a panel Q&A from a convention not a tri-weekly one. The first wave of classics was just a filler line originally and they said they were surprised sales where so high. The Star Wars line isn't much different as far as the "Hiatus" standard. When a movie comes out they stop doing anything not tied to it with the exception of the CW movie. TPM, AOTC, ROTS all had done that. So basically it's a lot like TF or G.I.Joe doing their movie stuff. Also Hasbro has noted the collectors are or at least one time made a big chunk of the market. They said during movie years the kids were the major target market wich explained the action features in figures for AOTC and ROTS. They also said the off movie years it seemed more like collector generated sales wich is why they catered more to us.

Even during "The Dark Times" there was still a ton of merchandise and no toy line. So I guess the collectors kept it afloat since there wasn't much of a child audience to buy toys and give the cred too. This only validates my point. I never thought I'd be a fan of Star trek but I love the new movie.

Do you think the TLC line suffers from repacks and people refusing to be consumer *****s? I know I am more selective and not because times are rough financially. I would rather get a biker scout or sith compared to a cantina alien. Perhaps I am more of a casual collector than most folks on here but then doesn't that make me more alike than unalike the status quo?

I knew I was going to get heat for that one. It was for lack of a better word or more like maybe the execs don't care. It's plainly obvious the design team does as much as they can but their hands are often tied by execs and bean counters. The folks that take care of stuff at the retail level likely don't have the heart or passion the designers do. It's not their job to care but everyone does care about the money. It would be nice to see Hasbro empathize with us but its bad ethics to blast your own company so I don't expect to hear any complaints. You can't deny the Q&As are a cheap form of R&D. If we didn't make that big of a difference I doubt the higher ups at Hasbro would appreciate the SW team wasting time and money handing out answers or info.

Agreed. They do know a thing or two and I am thankful for something rather than nothing. I'm not saying I know better, I'm saying the definition of insanity is trying the same thing with hopes of different results. I wouldn't call it chastising either, I'd call it getting them to listen and not hand out cookie cutter reflexive answers to issues such as this. You can say Revan was poor in sales but obviously the demand for him was high and likely still is yet the release dictated the sales. They say female figures don't sell well but the Geonosis Padme' from the evolutions set is refreshed in the Han with trooper gear wave. Yet I seem to recall they said they wouldn't be doing that with Bane or Revan anytime soon. So it doesn't make any sense to me the consumer when they say one thing and do another.

I don't talk to Hasbro folks like you do or read all the arguments so pardon me if I am somewhat ignorant. I can only speak for what I see and don't always believe everything I hear. If I did I would be a pretty simple minded person wouldn't I? This wasn't supposed to be a debate on collector verses kid sales. It was about things like Revan and Padme'. Suggesting things that might generate interest in EU. Why TLC might be suffering. My arguments for asking those questions are what led to all the other crap. I think it is valid to ask if they think collectors are less engaged is because of repacks and not new figures or because of poor timing and distribution. I think now the question should be how do they feel about these things and if they wish something more could be done about it. They always say why not but they don't always say how they intend to make it better and when they do it is pretty vague.

Droid, I have all the respect and appreciation for Tricks and the other mods. I may be passionate but I have no hard feelings against anyone here and hope everyone feels I have been respectful. People disagree and as stated, no one has sales data that they are willing to share and I speak only from a local point of view.

Gothiczartan
11-11-2009, 11:34 PM
I have a question about the unnamed guards from skiff and sail barge that were seen in ROTJ should get their own figure and will have their new names given?

Kadas'sa Nikto Skiff Guard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Kadas%27sa%27Nikto

Kajain'sa'Nikto Skiff Guard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Kajain%27sa%27Nikto

Skiff Guard (no shirt) from the second skiff
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_shirtless_man

Sail Barge Gunner
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_man_in_green_firing_turret

Sail Barge Guard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_man_in_red_pants

Mercenary Pilot
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_mercenary_pilot

Gothiczartan
11-12-2009, 12:06 AM
I also have another question about the rebel troopers piloting behind Lando and Nien Numb in the Millennium Falcon in ROTJ

I see there is already one of the rebel trooper made into a figure with no name given (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc046rebelB.asp) and the figure is based off this character (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Airen_Cracken) and this figure looks fine even he did not have a name given.

Will we see another Rebel Trooper as a Falcon pilot (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blount) being made into a figure using the same figure mold as the rebel trooper (first link above)?

JediTricks
11-12-2009, 04:42 AM
First off, let me remind you guys that this round is wrapping up in under 24 hours, so get them votes in!

Speaking of which, here's mine, rough to cull down to 6:


9 cw droid legs
16 biker scout
18 fan choice poll
20 luke ROTJ
21 dewback
22 battle droid

JediTricks
11-12-2009, 05:42 AM
I read it pretty regularly but not always. Besides it isn't fun to dig around in all the past Q&As. Those figures sound great. Who is doing the exclusives?TRU, Spring of 2010. I had to go back to my master answers file for that one, I hadn't remembered. TFU at TRU, has a nice ring to it. :D


No Hasbro isn't Mattel. Just wait until people get sick of all the clone repaints and "____" outfit Anakins. There are very few popular original characters like Cad Bane. This is a fad that I'm sure will pass when the live action show hits or people get upset with how Anakin and Obi-wan can squeeze all the continuity into the 3 year CW timeline. Besides, you don't have numbers to back up that CW is selling very well. Remember?There are too many clones, I even started a thread about that earlier today. But whether it'll slip or die or hold, I have no idea. So far though, it's still doing well.

If the live action show appears in the next 3 years, it'll likely dethrone Clone Wars, but that's becoming a big "IF" unfortunately.

I don't have number to back up that CW is selling well, but I have more testimony and evidence than do you in saying that it's not (evidence like "retailers keep ordering it" and "retailers keep getting new shipments because product keeps going out the computer via sales"). Remember when we used to gripe about Saga Legends not selling because of our empirical evidence? And yet here we are, 3 years later, and the line still has retailer strength, so either the retailers are magically eating them, or they really are doing what Hasbro claimed.

Empirical evidence is what told folks the world was flat, that the sun revolved around it, that centrifugal force was real (it's not, it's a perception, the real force at work there is centripetal). It's subjective, and thus not extremely credible, yet far too easy to extrapolate a theory from without enough basis in foundation.


I knew I was going to get heat for that one. It was for lack of a better word or more like maybe the execs don't care. It's plainly obvious the design team does as much as they can but their hands are often tied by execs and bean counters. The folks that take care of stuff at the retail level likely don't have the heart or passion the designers do. It's not their job to care but everyone does care about the money. It would be nice to see Hasbro empathize with us but its bad ethics to blast your own company so I don't expect to hear any complaints. You can't deny the Q&As are a cheap form of R&D. If we didn't make that big of a difference I doubt the higher ups at Hasbro would appreciate the SW team wasting time and money handing out answers or info.It is their job to care, if they don't care, the brand dies and they've wasted millions on a license that's going to waste. The execs above brand management basically just hand down a budget and it's up to brand management to make a successful brand out of it, which they have for the better part of 5 years with limited entertainment support and virtually no advertising, Star Wars has been a top brand I think 4 out of the last 5 years in boys toys because it works more often than it doesn't.

We have given them some rare ideas, but more often than not I'd argue that Q&A is at best a lesson to readers and at worst noise to the brand management and top employees, almost never useful R&D. Here's a handful of questions from a single round a few months ago, I literally copy-pasted 6 answers straight out of my file in a row, and all of them are ideas that don't take budgets and other realities into account (which is exactly why I act as editor here to filter these sorts of things out):

BanthaSkull.com: Dear Hasbro, I know you've said a Death Star playset is too expensive to consider right now, but I was wondering if was at all possible to release several 'Mini Dios' in the $20 Vehicle line that could be stacked together and turned into a Death Star? So one set would be the Detention room, one would be the Trash room etc, that way fans could slowly build a modern DS but Hasbro wouldn't have to invest in a large dollar playset at one time, but several small ones over a period of say, 3-4 year? I know I'd be excited to put one together, even if it was only 2 sets a year.
Hasbro: This question has been asked numerous times already in the Q&A over the past couple years, and our stance has not changed. Basically, environmental pieces or small playsets are not nearly as popular as vehicles and could not de delivered without extraordinary tooling cost. The only feasible way to deliver a larger playset like this is to do it all at once, but we would not take on something like this unless we are certain that it would succeed based on a strong presence in current entertainment. We have not seen anything to support a new playset, so there is no development going on. Instead, we continue to put our focus on expanding the vehicle range with larger sets that can play a dual role, like the AT-TE and Turbo Tank - both a vehicle and enough areas to make them a playset or rolling headquarters.

DewbackPatrol.com: Hasbro made a number of Padme's outfits last year, but this year seems particularly lacking... with the large number of costumes still yet unmade from both ROTS and AOTC, can you tell us if you have any plans to release at least a couple/few of the remaining ones in next year's lineup?
Hasbro: Last year was atypical, in that we had the Evolution pack to add a good jolt of Padme for those fans who craze her. Since she is still a nice collecting interest, our mainline plans are more tempered; the ideal is to debut one new Padme every year, if we can. There may be more or fewer as the year shakes out but since she competes with the few precious collector-targeted slots, which typicaly consume disproportionate tooling, we need to keep everything in balance by limiting Padme to one/year.

DewbackPatrol.com: Hasbro, how about this for a battle pack - bespin guard white head, bespin guard mustache (vintage style), and the two ugnaughts painted in the lighter colors as seen at toyfair and with their heads switched. In the last q and a someone mentioned repainting the Han Solo carbonite block (so that it is not melting) and this might make a nice accessory for this pack. It would be a nice set for someone who wants multiples of these troop builder style figures.
Hasbro: That is actually a pretty cool pack idea for a collector-targeted Battle Packs. Unfortunately, our mainline plans have moved away from collector-targeted packs but we'll park this one in the exclusives parking that we draw upon for ideas. By doing this, fans would essentially get all four of the major head types for Bespin Wing Guards, and Ugnaught varuety. Thanks for the intersting suggestion.

DewbackPatrol.com: Let’s say theoretically that the Clone Wars cartoon features an action packed episode where some clones go on a mission to Tatooine to save someone (anyone!) kidnapped by bounty hunters held up at Jabba’s Palace. On their mission their ship is destroyed and they have to steal Jabba’s Sail Barge to get away. This of course leads to an all out race for their freedom as they are pursued by skiff necessitating the need to unload all that hidden firepower Jabba had installed on his sail barge. I think you know where I’m going with this. Can you lobby Lucasfilm for an episode with the sail barge and in turn of course make a sail barge for us fans? This has been a dream for some OT fans!
Hasbro: The real problem is this: the Sail Barge, as cool as it might be, will only be seen in one episode and would not nearly be enough to justify a monstrous tooling budget and instill confidence that enough kids (the majority of the audience) and collectors (the smaller audience) would want this one. We really would have to see it as a feature vehicle in multiple episodes to be able to have confidence that something like this could work. We'd be much more likely to a do a Republic Cruiser, which is in many episodes but still seems an unexciting vehicle compared to the other active and aggressive vehicles from which we can select.

GalacticHunter.com: OK, so with next year being the 30th Anniversary of The Empire Strikes Back, if you are forced (this could get ugly) to make an all-new Imperial Probe Droid, do you:
...give it super articulation and try to fit it into the Mini-Rig-esque price point?
...give it super articulation and its launching pod for the $20 Vehicle price point?
...give it super articulation, toss in Han Solo and Chewbacca, and Battle Pack it?
... or?
Hasbro: Here's why it wouldn't work out in the way you suggest, unfortunately: the Deluxe Figure/Vehicle Assortment*** is Clone Wars-based; the Starfighter Vehicle Assortment has vehicles as its focus, and this would not be meaty enough. Adding something else really makes it a Battle Pack, and; Battle Packs are being redefined in Fall to go back to a slimmer, figure-focused footprint. This leaves Spring '09 Battle Packs, but we can confirm that we do not have an upgrade Probe Droid coming there. Sorry to dissapoint - we would love to do a new Imperial Probe Droid if we could figure out a way that made sense.

GalacticHunter.com: Why are you repacking the Evolutions Attack of the Clones Padmť on a basic card rather than retooling her upper torso/arms as the Geonosis Arena torn-shirt version many of us want? Do you plan to offer that version anytime soon? —Shabby Blue (Padmť Aficionado)
Hasbro: Hi there again Shabby Blue - for this one, we had no tooling to work with so we selected a strong re-pack for this wave. We do not right now have the torn-shirt version in the plans right now but it's something we have in parking lot to activate down the road.

Agreed. They do know a thing or two and I am thankful for something rather than nothing. I'm not saying I know better, I'm saying the definition of insanity is trying the same thing with hopes of different results. I wouldn't call it chastising either, I'd call it getting them to listen and not hand out cookie cutter reflexive answers to issues such as this. You can say Revan was poor in sales but obviously the demand for him was high and likely still is yet the release dictated the sales. They say female figures don't sell well but the Geonosis Padme' from the evolutions set is refreshed in the Han with trooper gear wave. Yet I seem to recall they said they wouldn't be doing that with Bane or Revan anytime soon. So it doesn't make any sense to me the consumer when they say one thing and do another.But you haven't proved to me that they're doing ANYTHING the same as before. They're making an EU wave of figures, this is a rarity because of how few proven buyers there have been in the past. They're releasing it in December, they haven't done that with an EU wave before. They're keeping this EU wave alive despite significant problems with the mainline that have caused them to push back other waves and bounce entire ones. So far, that's not doing the same thing over again expecting different results. As for Revan, it didn't have poor sales, it sold through. Others in that wave weren't so lucky. They say female figures don't sell well because that's what retailers keep telling them, retailers threatened to walk away from the line 8 years ago if they didn't stop releasing females and Neimoidians because they just weren't selling for those retailers. Since then, Hasbro has stepped up testing and tracking, so it's not just guessery. Geo Padme is an unchanged tool, it's cheap to throw in a repack, no tooling costs to recoup so it can balance a wave. Not like the Padme Evo pack was a hot seller though, it was one of the shelfwarmers around here and in San Diego from what I saw.

I don't remember anything of the sort said about Cad Bane not being reissued, quite the contrary, that figure IS being reissued in a later wave, but only because it hasn't hit full saturation yet.

As for Revan, here's the latest answer they gave us when we last asked in late '08:

ActionFigs.com: Might you be willing to give us some of the lowdown on what will be coming up from the Greatest Hits sub-line? With the Saga Legends line (we're aware this is different from GH) reusing last year's Yoda on Kybuck, fans would like to see if Greatest Hits might find some figures from that TAC EU wave which were hard to get, such as Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Pre-Cyborg Grievous. And it's not like the main lines where everything's a secret until development's done, Greatest Hits is made up of existing figures, so could we know what to expect in the sub-line?
Hasbro: We don't have room for them in the lineup right now, but we are looking for ways to get the two Darths back out there somehow. No plans right now for a re-release of the Pre-Cyborg Grievous, but he would certainly be another re-pack candidate someday, and we'll consider it when we have an opportunity.
And the most recent answer to other sites was a mere month ago:
Mousedroid.com: Are we ever going to see Darth Malak, Darth Revan or Pre-Cyborg Grievous repacked in the basic line ever again? A lot of people seemed to have missed out on this wave and are constantly on the lookout for them - so any chance of a comeback for these bad boys?
Hasbro: Pre-Cyborg Grievous is not a strong candidate for return, unless fans vote him in in a future Saga Legends-type re-release vote (we are looking at this as a possibility for next Spring). Revan and Malak are more likely to return in some form or another within the next couple of years.
So, that would be the opposite of what you remember. This is one thing that never ceases to drive me nuts about dealing with Q&A, these answers that people "remember" based on their feelings. Believe me, you are not even remotely alone on this, it comes up nearly every round, either a rumor or a flat out "feeling" based on the way prior answers have seemed about other stuff that shapes it.




I don't talk to Hasbro folks like you do or read all the arguments so pardon me if I am somewhat ignorant. I can only speak for what I see and don't always believe everything I hear. If I did I would be a pretty simple minded person wouldn't I? This wasn't supposed to be a debate on collector verses kid sales. It was about things like Revan and Padme'. Suggesting things that might generate interest in EU. Why TLC might be suffering. My arguments for asking those questions are what led to all the other crap. I think it is valid to ask if they think collectors are less engaged is because of repacks and not new figures or because of poor timing and distribution. I think now the question should be how do they feel about these things and if they wish something more could be done about it. They always say why not but they don't always say how they intend to make it better and when they do it is pretty vague.I believe in a healthy dose of skepticism, I am one of Hasbro's greatest critics, but IMO there is a line between rampant skepticism and informed skepticism. It's easy for a lot of folks to say they are skeptical of Hasbro for behavior they're not guilty of, and that's where being informed comes in. Look at my comment above about Saga Legends, I was a very vocal critic of that line, saying it wasn't selling and was dragging down the mainline despite everything Hasbro said, but the logic of the situation eventually prevailed and my skepticism faded on that one.

We have had a ton of questions lately asking them why TLC is weakening, why their arguments haven't been the whole reason, and still have some in the queue now. But from everything I've seen, the lack of more EU figures earlier in the holiday season is a singular concern - yours - which doesn't really make sense to me or fit the sales patterns of the past. It's not Hasbro's job to promote the EU, that's Lucasfilm's job and their EU companies like Dark Horse and Del Rey. Hasbro's job is to deliver figures that the majority of customers will want, or that a minority will want that they can deliver without damaging the rest of the year's budget, and since EU has a low audience in the fandom overall, it gets less figures and doesn't take priority. That all said, this wave IS scheduled for mid-December, 4th quarter '09, which means that it is in a strong release window compared to its relatively limited audience size, and I just don't see any argument that holds water saying it's not doing enough and that it doing more would somehow be the salvation of the line.


Droid, I have all the respect and appreciation for Tricks and the other mods. I may be passionate but I have no hard feelings against anyone here and hope everyone feels I have been respectful. People disagree and as stated, no one has sales data that they are willing to share and I speak only from a local point of view.Thanks, I appreciate that. I'd rather have this debate with someone like you who is passionate about their beliefs but not freaking out about the whole conversation.



I have a question about the unnamed guards from skiff and sail barge that were seen in ROTJ should get their own figure and will have their new names given?

Kadas'sa Nikto Skiff Guard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Kadas%27sa%27Nikto

Kajain'sa'Nikto Skiff Guard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Kajain%27sa%27Nikto

Skiff Guard (no shirt) from the second skiff
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_shirtless_man

Sail Barge Gunner
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_man_in_green_firing_turret

Sail Barge Guard
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_man_in_red_pants

Mercenary Pilot
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_mercenary_pilotWe asked this in a catch-all question a while back:
SSG: We appreciate the extra attention that Jabba's Palace has been getting recently, however there is a group of characters from Jabba's henchmen who have been seriously underrepresented in action figure form: the Skiff Guards. They are featured in one of the primary action sequences in ROTJ, but we haven't seen a new sculpt of any of these guys in over 8 years, and a majority of them have never been made in action figure form. Out of the 5 skiff guards on the "prisoner skiff" (the one bringing Luke, Han, & Chewie to their doom), we've only seen one made into a figure - Weequay - and even that figure is over ten years old. Any chance that we'll get figures of the other four and maybe an update of Weequay at some point in the near future? Hasbro: Yes, over the next few years you will see some more of these cool guards either get their turn for the first time or get a resculpt. You'll have to be patient though - we'll only be able to get to a couple new ones a year.
Since then, we've seen more answers basically saying the same. "Eventually".



I also have another question about the rebel troopers piloting behind Lando and Nien Numb in the Millennium Falcon in ROTJ

I see there is already one of the rebel trooper made into a figure with no name given (http://www.rebelscum.com/tsc046rebelB.asp) and the figure is based off this character (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Airen_Cracken) and this figure looks fine even he did not have a name given.

Will we see another Rebel Trooper as a Falcon pilot (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blount) being made into a figure using the same figure mold as the rebel trooper (first link above)?That is too specific for our site right now, maybe when we have only a dozen questions in queue, but you have SO many other questions like this that it would be a challenge to deal with which ones to add.

sebillba
11-12-2009, 11:06 AM
Here's my votes for this round:

18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25

Thanks!

RENDAR LIVES
11-12-2009, 03:30 PM
TRU, Spring of 2010. I had to go back to my master answers file for that one, I hadn't remembered. TFU at TRU, has a nice ring to it. :D


We have given them some rare ideas, but more often than not I'd argue that Q&A is at best a lesson to readers and at worst noise to the brand management and top employees, almost never useful R&D. Here's a handful of questions from a single round a few months ago, I literally copy-pasted 6 answers straight out of my file in a row, and all of them are ideas that don't take budgets and other realities into account (which is exactly why I act as editor here to filter these sorts of things out):

But you haven't proved to me that they're doing ANYTHING the same as before. They're making an EU wave of figures, this is a rarity because of how few proven buyers there have been in the past. They're releasing it in December, they haven't done that with an EU wave before. They're keeping this EU wave alive despite significant problems with the mainline that have caused them to push back other waves and bounce entire ones. So far, that's not doing the same thing over again expecting different results. As for Revan, it didn't have poor sales, it sold through. Others in that wave weren't so lucky. They say female figures don't sell well because that's what retailers keep telling them, retailers threatened to walk away from the line 8 years ago if they didn't stop releasing females and Neimoidians because they just weren't selling for those retailers. Since then, Hasbro has stepped up testing and tracking, so it's not just guessery. Geo Padme is an unchanged tool, it's cheap to throw in a repack, no tooling costs to recoup so it can balance a wave. Not like the Padme Evo pack was a hot seller though, it was one of the shelfwarmers around here and in San Diego from what I saw.
I don't remember anything of the sort said about Cad Bane not being reissued, quite the contrary, that figure IS being reissued in a later wave, but only because it hasn't hit full saturation yet.

As for Revan, here's the latest answer they gave us when we last asked in late '08:

ActionFigs.com: Might you be willing to give us some of the lowdown on what will be coming up from the Greatest Hits sub-line? With the Saga Legends line (we're aware this is different from GH) reusing last year's Yoda on Kybuck, fans would like to see if Greatest Hits might find some figures from that TAC EU wave which were hard to get, such as Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Pre-Cyborg Grievous. And it's not like the main lines where everything's a secret until development's done, Greatest Hits is made up of existing figures, so could we know what to expect in the sub-line?
Hasbro: We don't have room for them in the lineup right now, but we are looking for ways to get the two Darths back out there somehow. No plans right now for a re-release of the Pre-Cyborg Grievous, but he would certainly be another re-pack candidate someday, and we'll consider it when we have an opportunity.
And the most recent answer to other sites was a mere month ago:

Mousedroid.com: Are we ever going to see Darth Malak, Darth Revan or Pre-Cyborg Grievous repacked in the basic line ever again? A lot of people seemed to have missed out on this wave and are constantly on the lookout for them - so any chance of a comeback for these bad boys?
Hasbro: Pre-Cyborg Grievous is not a strong candidate for return, unless fans vote him in in a future Saga Legends-type re-release vote (we are looking at this as a possibility for next Spring). Revan and Malak are more likely to return in some form or another within the next couple of years.
So, that would be the opposite of what you remember. This is one thing that never ceases to drive me nuts about dealing with Q&A, these answers that people "remember" based on their feelings. Believe me, you are not even remotely alone on this, it comes up nearly every round, either a rumor or a flat out "feeling" based on the way prior answers have seemed about other stuff that shapes it.

We have had a ton of questions lately asking them why TLC is weakening, why their arguments haven't been the whole reason, and still have some in the queue now. But from everything I've seen, the lack of more EU figures earlier in the holiday season is a singular concern - yours - which doesn't really make sense to me or fit the sales patterns of the past. It's not Hasbro's job to promote the EU, that's Lucasfilm's job and their EU companies like Dark Horse and Del Rey. Hasbro's job is to deliver figures that the majority of customers will want, or that a minority will want that they can deliver without damaging the rest of the year's budget, and since EU has a low audience in the fandom overall, it gets less figures and doesn't take priority. That all said, this wave IS scheduled for mid-December, 4th quarter '09, which means that it is in a strong release window compared to its relatively limited audience size, and I just don't see any argument that holds water saying it's not doing enough and that it doing more would somehow be the salvation of the line.


Are there any pics of those TRU TFU exclusives yet?

Not just the ideas but it steers them in a direction to figure out what folks want and who they want. This has obviously helped us get whole lines of SA vintage style figures as well as many new characters.

Revan would have been a cheap repack too so what's the difference? I'm glad to hear they might be re released some day. I have seen the first Q&A answer you posted and that was the basis for that argument. The second one I must have missed. We all know the maybes don't hold a lot of weight. So that would be accurate to what I remember. I have worked in toystores and know the types that not only cherry pick the cases for high demand characters (including rare female figures) just to sell on the second market. Most don't even buy but steal them wich is where I'm sure the retailers have innacurate data. It blows because there are so many levels (manufacturer, retail, employees, scalpers) where us collectors get screwed. The Padme evolution set went pretty fast here in the Twin Cities.

I didn't say anything about Cad Bane other than using him as an example of an original popular figure in the CW line. I was saying they need more characters like him if they expect the line to last. Otherwise it's just going to be Hasbro making animated versions of already existing characters and toys as well as clones and barbie style varients.

Again, the waves are running late and I would hate to see any waves cut short just for Hasbro to push them all out. If this wave doesnt pop out until January and has a limited release (even more so than usual because of the line not doing well) I worry I might get screwed because retail in January and February wont order squat. Revan, Malik and Grievous are still in demand yet it's still going to be some wait before getting refreshed. Wich would look like poor sales to Hasbro. As I said, I have been waiting 10 years for the Solo twins and even longer for Ulic and Exar Kun. I'm also optimistic about Anakin Solo and Nom Anor but won't hold my breath.

I wonder if Dark Horse is currently putting out the NJO maxi series to help fans with this cause through comic packs. Otherwise I wouldn't see a point in essentially rehashing a story that has already been told and isn't movie related. They've never done it before so here's hoping to more NJO comic packs in the future. Perhaps that would be a good question, "with the Dark Horse NJO comics is it likely we will see comic packs come from that?"

RENDAR LIVES
11-12-2009, 03:33 PM
2
4
5
7
10
13

DarkJedi5
11-12-2009, 07:53 PM
15, 16, 18, 22, 24 and 25

Gothiczartan
11-12-2009, 10:40 PM
I have a question about a possible new sculpt SA Tauntuan to come with retooled han solo hoth gear (vintage style line) for ball jointed hips and soft good lower jacket for sitting on tauntaun.

will there be a new sculpt luke skywalker hoth gear to come with a new sculpt tauntaun?

JediTricks
11-12-2009, 11:46 PM
Ok, that's it for this round. Thanks to everybody who participated.

If there is unfinished business in this thread, I will try to address it in the next round's thread some time this weekend.

I've tallied up the votes and here are the questions we're sending in:


From SirStevesGuide.com:
1) The new Battle Droid figures in the Geonosis Arena Showdown sets are quite nice, but there are a few issues too, even aside from the eye design problem which you've already talked about. On the long-awaited commander, the yellow chest circle is positioned incorrectly, it should be moved up a bit as was shown correctly on the package art, as well as the 1999 OOM-9 figure and the 2007 Saga Legends two-pack figure. Then there's the issue of arm position: in the films, whenever the droids hold their blasters, they do so with both hands, yet Battle Droid figures from the last 4 years still can't do this, despite this new sculpt being made as a big upgrade. And finally, there's the the battle droid neck, which is assembled backwards with the angle bar in the front instead of in the back, and separately it telescopes into the torso rather than pivots down the way it does in the films, especially odd since we've had previous Battle Droid figures that could pivot. What caused these issues? It can be assumed that the Target sets won't be modified, but before either of these droids gets re-released, will we see any of these issues addressed?
2) Back in January, we asked about what happens to pulled-back pegwarming figures, and at the time you hadn't bought back some in a while so your answer focused on other methods of using the packaged figures, but on October 2nd you answered another site that this year's pulled-pack figures were being destroyed. How exactly are they being destroyed, and are those destroyed materials being recycled in some manner, or are they just destined to become landfill? Can Hasbro further clarify the details of this issue and address rationale behind this measure which could negative effects on the environment?
3) With the updating of Imperial trooper figures lately to have more accurate designs and sharper sculpting, the Biker Scout is so far one of those figures left out. Although one of the "vintage-style" figures, the existing Scout figure could use some upgrades including sharper armor and undersuit sculpting, a slightly larger helmet, more accurate arms including the missing elbow pads, less bulky shoulders, and better range of motion for the head, knees, torso and hips. How likely are we to see an updated Biker Scout figure like this? What would hold something like this back from being delivered in the foreseeable future?
From CollectionStation.com:
1) To some SW fans, Luke is THE hero of the saga, and is seen as never more triumphant and important than his final cinematic duel in the throne room of the 2nd Death Star. Yet Hasbro has dragged their feet every time with this iteration of Luke, despite releasing 6 Luke Jabba's Palace costumes in just the last 5 years (TLC '08, TAC '07, TSC '06, OTC '04, 2 different figures for Saga '04). In the past 14 years of the modern line there have been just 3 Luke Death Star IIs, and all are incomplete in some way: POTF2 Cinema Scene 1997 (preposed, soft sculpt, limited articulation), Saga 2003 (limited articulation due to action gimmick, preposed, Harpo Marx face), and now TLC 2009 (ill-fitting recycled limbs, wasp waist and odd proportions accented by reused limbs, incorrect belt, odd hand poses); and that's putting aside the whole "wrong lightsaber accessory every single time" issue. Now you've answered another site that the belt won't be corrected in this run, which suggests we won't be seeing Luke DS2 for a while again. We do appreciate that you've been trying to get the design better this time, but whether conscious of it or not, Hasbro clearly seems to have a problem with Luke Death Star II, so what is that problem? Who is drinking the Haterade, why does Luke DS2 keep getting the short end of the stick?
2) Wizard/ToyFare's Fans Choice top 30 poll has begun, but a few anomalies have cropped up that we'd like to get official word on. First is the picture of Bom Vimdin, the image comes from the Holiday Special rather than ANH, which version would we get should he win? Same with the ROTS Palpatine pic being from the scene where he announces the formation of the Empire rather than the claimed Senate Duel look, which would we get? There's also the suggestions that Cliegg Lars might have removable legs yet no mention of his hoverchair, and that Queen Apailana might get packed with another Naboo character despite being closer in size to a full-sized adult character than a youngling and not remotely Comic Pack-worthy. So would Cliegg likely have removable legs and/or his hoverchair, and would Apailana likely come with a second Naboo character?
3) Although Aayla Secura is getting a Clone Wars figure in 2010, your answer about a new realistic version said it didn't make the cut for 2010 and may have to be an exclusive. What about, instead of that trouble, just revisiting the ROTS mold and tooling up a new set of arms? You don't even need to tool up hands or the right shoulder since that figure has satisfactory versions of both, just new arms with working elbow joints. That could be a significant budget savings, she could be in one of those re-release waves that occasionally come out, and you'd get another popular Jedi figure definitively made. Any chance of seeing this happen in the foreseeable future?

Look for a new round of voting soon.