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Darth Duranium
11-05-2009, 06:56 PM
Questions for you guys... I know very little about SW figures... or anything else for that matter.:)

I was at a buddy's place the other day and he dug out his ancient Kenner 3-3/4" figures... among them, I noticed he's got the first Early Bird set with that funny little R2-D2, plus he's got a Jawa with a plastic cloak and many, many, many more.

I was looking at this site and was gobsmacked at the quoted prices:

http://actionfigures.about.com/od/historyofactionfigures/tp/top_5_starwars.htm

Are these prices accurate today? I'd assume these $ values would be for MOMC, but how much would the Jawa go for loose in good shape?

Does anyone have a closeup of the "telescoping" lightsabers, versus the regular versions? My buddy has an original Vader, Ben, and Luke but I'm not sure which sabers are the valuable ones.

One last question: are there any other early Kenners that are worth a fortune? He's got loads of them from '77-'83.

Thanks!

JediTricks
11-05-2009, 07:22 PM
I moved this thread to Vintage since that's its theme.

There's a good image of double-telescoping Vader on this page, I can't speak to the voracity of the text though so take it with a grain of salt: http://www.rocketfettscollection.com/darthdt.htm

Here's an image of the double-telescoping Vader on card:
http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=43267
(Double-telescoping refers to the needle-thin lightsaber that telescoped into the normal-width one, Kenner quickly changed this design to single-telescoping due to what I would assume is manufacturing costs AND breakage of the second part, so a regular telescoping Vader is a common thing, all Kenner Vaders do that.)

LusiferSam
11-05-2009, 09:04 PM
In my opinion those prices are not accurate at all (either is list). There aren't that many DT Vaders around, around 20 loose and carded known. So that price is likely too low. A good carded version would easily for $10k. Loose couple thousand no problem. I highly double you're friend has a DT Vader or Ben. A DT Luke is a good possibly if he had the Early Bird kit.

The Rocket fire Fett is also way too low. There's a range of price depending on which type it is. $5,000 and up.

Yak Face and the vinyl cape Jawa are very uncommon figures, but I'm not going to call them rare. A nice card example of Yak Face would likely go for more than the Jawa, but in general they would be in the same ballpark. Loose, Yak Face is around $100, the Jawa maybe $200. Carded $4,000 - $6,000.

A bagged version of Blue Snaggletooth might go for $500 or more. This figure was never carded, so baggy is the only sealed version out there.

So final question, are Kenner SW figure worth a fortune? Yes, but they have to be carded and in good condition. Loose figures aren't totally worthless, but they are worth less. A 12Back Vader would go for several thousand, but a loose Vader would likely go for 10 bucks.

Oh, what "funny little R2-D2" are you talking about? This one (http://www.rebelscum.com/VINtR2D2.asp)?

PS After reading that page more carefully that author clearly has no clue what his is talking about. There's a all a lot of bull laced in with the facts.

JediTricks
11-06-2009, 02:41 AM
The problem with loose DT figures is the fake sabers out there being passed off as real. I don't mind when people do it for their own interests, but those folks who try to pass them off as real for financial gain, that is crossing a line.

Slicker
11-06-2009, 12:25 PM
This guy is definitely one of those people that buys every little "variation" of a figure no matter how trivial (like the stupid .00 or .01 cards). In other words: he sucks...

Darth Duranium
11-06-2009, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the info guys... awesome response! Appreciated greatly.

Unfortunately, none of his stuff is still carded but it is in excellent loose condition. He's got a lot of cool vintage stuff... like the 12" dolls, full-sized masks, and a 4' plush Chewy, too... but nothing's still in its package. I'll let you guys know if we find anything of immense value! Probably a few items in there.

Lusifer, that's the very R2 I meant... it clicks when you spin the dome.:D If I collected figures, the astromechs would be very hard for me to avoid buying... they're very cool. The only astromech that I personally own is the red one that came with the (Royal Starship) escape pod that I bought.... R2-M5? Is that one worth much still?

There seems to be a lot of strong opinions about the figures, huh? Whew! I read a lot of contradictory info on those various sites! I'm glad I asked you guys... the info seems a lot closer to reality.

indyjones1981
11-21-2009, 09:49 PM
Need some help from the vintage collectors. My buddy has a carded SW 12A Back carded Darth Vader. It has the double telescoping text on the card and I know that doesn't mean the figure has the dt saber. Here are 3 pictures. Can anyone given an honest assesment if its the dts or the "non dts version. I am not sure but I am guessing no its not a dts. Thanks.

here is a pic link below from from the swca website of a dts vader

http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=43267

indyjones1981
11-22-2009, 01:34 AM
Anyone have any thoughts or comments? Hope I will get some responses on Sunday. Thanks fellow collectors! :thumbsup::D

LusiferSam
11-22-2009, 04:33 PM
That looks like the single telescope to me. The Collectors Archive gives a paper clip test (http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=43611) was a way of telling for sure. That one photo sure looks like a clean break between the two sections. But I've seen clean sections breaks before and the length looks that of the single. Try the paper clip test (it's near the bottom of the page) to be sure, but I highly doubt it's a DT saber.

Bel-Cam Jos
11-23-2009, 10:05 AM
I think many people see that thin top tip to the saber, thinking it's a double saber, since so many loose figures have that part missing.

JediTricks
11-24-2009, 08:49 PM
I'm no expert, but I think that is a repro because the bubble is curved where it's welded to the card in a manner not befitting the earliest 12-backs. Compare the top right of the welded bubble to the pic on TSWCA where there's no curve at all.

Check out this graded, authenticated bubble, note that it too has no curve to the welding: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_36E9a_b72n8/Sto10l-ZLpI/AAAAAAAAA90/GHYk3m-Id-4/s1600-h/display-1.JPG

LusiferSam
11-24-2009, 11:06 PM
As far as I know all DT Bens and Varders are sales examples and not production version. That should account for squared off bubbles. I've looked at a dozens of 12 Back cards and all of the production versions and all have rounded corners on the bubbles.

I'm expert at this either, but if it's a recard, it's a crappy recard. The card is pretty warped and the bubble is partial crushed.

JediTricks
11-25-2009, 02:15 AM
I've seen that before, faking damage to try to hide the fact that it's a repro.

indyjones1981
11-26-2009, 12:33 AM
Thanks for the feedback. Very helpful. According to the starwars archive database the doubletelescoping Darth Vader and Ben Kenobi were released in small quanties to the general public in the first shipments in Spring 1978. These two are the Holly Grail of the vintage Star Wars line.

Here is a link: http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=43267

and another:

http://theswca.com/index.php?action=disp_item&item_id=43396

LusiferSam
11-26-2009, 01:45 PM
I've seen that before, faking damage to try to hide the fact that it's a repro.

I'm not saying that the damage doesn't make it a recard, just a crappy recard. I've seen plenty of faking damage too.

I saw this photo (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_36E9a_b72n8/SsOroPqKP7I/AAAAAAAAA9s/Q6Abxa2wsrE/s1600-h/DTVSeries.jpg) a few months ago, but could remember where. But now I've found it again. It shows 5 prototype Vaders and a production version (lower left).