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JediTricks
03-17-2010, 03:11 PM
Is Sgt. Edian really Sgt. Edian? We find out from Hasbro's answers to SSG questions for March 17th, 2010. Thanks again to Hasbro for the answers, to all the folks who sent in questions and especially those who voted on them. Here come Hasbro's answers.


Hasbro Q&A for the week of March 17th, 2010


SSG: It's awesome that we're getting an update of Ponda Baba in 2011, but this does bring up two burning questions. Will he be sold under the name "Walrusman" on the card just like in the vintage days, or will that be updated to the modern "Ponda Baba"? Also, since the character is seen in the film with flipper-hands but every modern version of the figure has been sculpted with the more human, furry hands (as shown amputated by Obi-Wan), are we finally going to get a screen-accurate "flipper-hand" version of Ponda Baba? If not, would you consider packing him with interchangeable hands so collectors can choose which version they want to display?

Hasbro: We haven't gotten to the stage where we have drawn these up yet, so no decision has been made. That is a very interesting suggestion you make and a good way to solve an interesting problem. We'll make sure the design team takes a good look at it. Thanks. As for the name on the package, we'd love to see Walrusman ourselves, if not in the pill then as a secondary name.


SSG: Although the Cruisemissile Trooper vehicle has its share of detractors, including those at Hasbro, the concept and design have some fun and interesting toy merits, though not fully realized. Perhaps the original design could be embellished and resized to fit into either the current Deluxe Figure & Vehicle pricepoint or a Battle Pack or other another medium (maybe even a Starfighter pricepoint perhaps). And of course, this time around it could have a removable pilot and cooler features to make it a fun new vehicle with unique Star Wars credibility. Would Hasbro ever consider making an update to this vehicle with design and features befitting the modern line? With the Deluxe Figure & Vehicle line seemingly doing well and taking other weird risks like the Desert Sport Skiff, would you think that the right place for it?

Hasbro: Right now there are no plans for an update, but the idea of a small, streamlined, heavily armed one-man craft is still intriguing. If we did it again, it would be great to have a removable figure. It's unknown if it could fit into the Figure & Vehicle (Deluxe) assortment given the size and detail needed; it might be more of a Starfighter-style craft. If we get to the point where we need more ideas along these lines, it's an interesting one to consider. FYI, due to the niche nature of the vehicle, we are going to go very light on our release of the Anakin / Desert Sports Skiff. In hindsight, it doesn't pack the firepower or gravity as a vehicle as the other sets in the line.
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There won't be answers for CollectionStation.com this round, as there was a mistake on Hasbro's end and they forgot to answer them.

JediTricks
03-17-2010, 03:18 PM
Yakface just got an answer about the last wave. Every figure will be 1 per case! :mad:

Q2: With the final EU wave of Legacy figures now deemed an "exclusive" to Toys"R"Us, collectors want to know if that change means they (like many of TRU's exclusives) will come with their exclusive/higher price tag as well? Also, are there plans to change the case assortment to include multiples of each new figure or does this assortment still plan on including one of each of the new figures plus the older carry forward figures?

A2: We don't really know what TRU's plans are for basic figure pricing, as that is solely up to them to decide, but we don't think it will differ from the current basic figure pricing at TRU. The case wave ration will include 12 different figures, including one each of the TFU figures and the rest carry-forward figures. The production release for these figures was made a long time ago and the wave only recently became a TRU (and later, a shared Internet) exclusive, so the case pack ratio was determined back when it was assumed that we would have a healthy Legacy line on the shelves. As Legacy has continued to soften, bringing it to TRU was the bets chance for full distribution.


Dewbackpatrol just got an answer saying that e-tailers won't get a crack at the EU wave until "a couple" months after the May TRU date, so that's not June as previously they said. However, Sandtroopers just got an answer saying TRU won't be getting the bulk of the wave, the etailers will:

1) It's pretty much a fact that the last wave in any series before a cardback change usually proves to be the most difficult to find. Now, for the upcoming last wave of The Legacy Collection before Vintage cardbacks start, you've made it doubly hard to find by making it an exclusive wave. How can you hope that TRU orders enough of this wave to satisfy all those that want to purchase it?

TRU will not have enough quantity to satisfy all those who want to purchase the wave - that's why the Internet retailers will have the balance of the wave. We actually instructed the factories to build the wave before the holidays, so we were committed to the quantity we forecast. Softer than expected sales of the Legacy have led us to a situation where we needed to make the wave exclusive to ensure that it got distribution to brick & mortar stores at all.

JediTricks
03-17-2010, 03:38 PM
Uh, wow. From JTA's answers (http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/content/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5986/#details), here's the Vintage Collection update to Grievous:
http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/news/images2010a/images.php?image=32

Yikes. I really hope that cape isn't so short in person, otherwise this is a disaster. And why include the pockets for the saber hilts and just 1 saber hilt?


Their other answer has me so livid I can't contain myself, we can't have the other Scanning Trooper now because of the accessory? The stupid vintage cardbacks are now limiting accessories because of their ridiculous coffin design? This is exactly what I hate about vintage!!!

JediTricks
03-17-2010, 03:43 PM
Wow, it just keeps getting worse:

Rebelscum: Obviously we love the return of The Vintage Collection, and we're pretty excited about what we've seen in the line-up from Toy Fair. That said, there seems to be a disturbing trend (for some of us) that we'd like to give you an opportunity to dispel.

So far, it appears that TVC will be nothing but upgrades on existing characters, and that there will be very little "all-new" figures. This seems contrary to an answer from a Q&A session last year where you indicated that you'd be going more and more after the all new items, and less after the re-hashed subjects. But so far, that seems to not be the direction that you're going.

Looking at the line-up so far....out of the 11 figures shown for the TESB wave coming in August, only Dak feels "a little bit" new, the other ten are all straight updates on existing subjects (yet even Dak is an update from the POTJ Snowspeeder figure).

When we look forward on the line, we already know a number of the other figures planned:

ROTJ: Admiral Ackbar, Gammorean Guard, Wooof (Vintage Klaatu), Wicket, AT-ST Driver, R2-D2 w/ Pop-up Lightsaber,

AOTC: Zam Wessell, Count Dooku

ROTS: Anakin Skywalker, General Grevious, Clone Trooper (care to provide specifics?)

ANH: Dr. Evazan, Ponda Baba, Bom Vimdin (perhaps the one all-new subject we know of so far)

TPM: Darth Maul, Qui-Gon Jinn

So based on that list, it looks like we have almost the entire line-up coming that will be updates. Granted, some of them are SORELY needed updates (Ponda Baba and the good Doctor, for example), but we can't help but wonder where the "all-new" stuff will be. Obviously it makes sense to take advantage of the vintage packaging and release main characters on that packaging style, but at the same time, we need to see some "all-new" stuff to help keep the line fresh. Will there be any "all-new" figures in 2010, and then once we get through the six movie waves by early 2011, will we see more "all-new" subjects figure into the line-up once the mixed waves start in 2011?

Hasbro: The strategy for Vintage is to ensure that we have ample representation of core characters, whether by repack or resculpt (when we feel there are improvements that can be made in previous versions).

For 2010, there are few new (and almost by definition, more obscure characters) as we are making sure that we have lots of great "core" characters out in the early waves of the line. This also means upgrades or redos to characters who have been previously released, even if a decade or more ago.

For entirely new characters, in 2011 you probably won't see that many more all-new characters as a percentage of the whole than you did in any previous line (the last two years of Legacy, for example). While these characters are in there - such as Cantina denizens, Jabba's crew, the occasional new
Padmé or Podracer, etc - we need to make sure in absolute number terms these characters don't hang us up by either eating up our tooling budget or forcing us to over-ship them to nail our forecasts.

Either one of these would be bad news for the line, so we continue to make sure that our hero quotient is solid first, before we tackle the more obscure guys.

JediTricks
03-17-2010, 03:49 PM
Sorry for the negative tone in my posts. I'm just unbelievably frustrated at the thisses and thats of trying to keep the line alive as evidenced in today's answers.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-17-2010, 04:37 PM
Well, I like most of the answers this week. It's cool that we could possibly have influenced them on Ponda Baba, as I'd love to see a flipper-hand version. The fact that the Desert Skiff is being released in extremely low numbers is good to know; I've got mine and I don't know anyone else who actually wants one.

Galactic Hunter got confirmation that the Weequay Skiff Master is coming in mid-2011; awesome.

Jedi Insider has a picture of the new TVC Vader with all three parts of his helmet removed. It looks really weird to see him like that, with his face fully exposed. It's interesting, to say the least.

I actually quite like the Grievous (which is the version Chux has been mentioning for a few years now). The cape is obviously short, but I'm not so sure it's inaccurate. He was usually bent so far over that it will probably look right when he's displayed properly. It's also riding up way too high in the picture; it's supposed to rest under his collar piece, so again, I think it should look more or less right when all is said and done. I love the little hilt holders; I was totally not expecting that. I'm also glad they finally made the cape the proper version with the "clasp" off to the left side as opposed to how it is on all the previous versions. They gave him wrist articulation and a newer, more accurate head, perhaps making one of my favorite figures even better. This is a figure I might buy two of to keep one carded, actually.

I'm not too worried about the scanning trooper. It'll make it out eventually, and I wasn't too jazzed for it anyway.

I'm also not really worried about the RS answer regarding core characters. It makes sense for them to release these characters on these cards, and there's still enough newness in the figures themselves to get me excited. We've all noticed some of the more obscure characters lingering these past few years, so what's wrong with them refocusing their efforts? They're still trying and making great product, and we'll still get our obscure guys.

Hey, look at that, we're getting Wedge on a basic vintage card. Quit yer complainin', everyone. :p

Cane_Adiss
03-17-2010, 04:37 PM
First off I don't see Rebelscum's answers as a bad thing really. Most fans are going to want the core characters in the Vintage packageing anyway. Plus, we got quite a bunch of "obscure" characters in the Legacy line. Actually I would say the majority of them could be classified as obscure/collector only. Lets see from TPM:

Clegg Holdfast
Rum Sleg
Gungan
Amidala
Sidious Holo

wow 5 out of 6 ain't bad

ROTJ: Really the whole wave save for Luke and Leia 7/9 (counting the Ugnaught here)

ANH: 5/8

Leesub Sirln
Hrchek kal Fas
Ki-Adi Mundi concept
Jawa
Scanning Trooper

ROTS: 5/6

Utai
IG-88 concept
Captain Colton
Agen Kolar
Plo Koon

ESB: 4/7

Willrow Hood
Zuckuss
Wing Guard
R2-X2

EU Wave: 7/7 (the whole wave counting Utris M'toc as a "newish" figure)

Plus 18 "greatest hits" type figures, several of which I would argue are more collector oriented as well (Padme, Deviss, Jawa).

so the ratio for 2009/10 Legacy IMO: 33 (not counting any GH figs) /61 or 54%. I say that's not a bad mix. No cause for doom and gloom here. And I would say that an even larger majority of 2008's line was collector oriented as well.

Cane_Adiss
03-17-2010, 04:56 PM
As for the Cruisemissile trooper question, I'm really glad Hasbro's being open-minded about this. I guess this has a good shot at consideration down the road now and thats great to see!

Also, JT what were the other questions (the ones submitted to Collectionstation) and will they be answered late or never? If never will they be added back in the list to vote on for another round?

JediTricks
03-17-2010, 05:20 PM
Well, I like most of the answers this week. It's cool that we could possibly have influenced them on Ponda Baba, as I'd love to see a flipper-hand version. The fact that the Desert Skiff is being released in extremely low numbers is good to know; I've got mine and I don't know anyone else who actually wants one.I was very glad to also see that we influenced them on Ponda, I even called a friend and told him about that. And the desert sport skiff being limited was an interesting one too. Strangely though, around here they keep selling.



Jedi Insider has a picture of the new TVC Vader with all three parts of his helmet removed. It looks really weird to see him like that, with his face fully exposed. It's interesting, to say the least.You are right, that is very odd to see the figure presented that way. It looks downright bizarre without the collar, but it could just be that it also has a weird expression.



I actually quite like the Grievous (which is the version Chux has been mentioning for a few years now). The cape is obviously short, but I'm not so sure it's inaccurate. He was usually bent so far over that it will probably look right when he's displayed properly. It's also riding up way too high in the picture; it's supposed to rest under his collar piece, so again, I think it should look more or less right when all is said and done. I love the little hilt holders; I was totally not expecting that. I'm also glad they finally made the cape the proper version with the "clasp" off to the left side as opposed to how it is on all the previous versions. They gave him wrist articulation and a newer, more accurate head, perhaps making one of my favorite figures even better. This is a figure I might buy two of to keep one carded, actually.I think you're being overly generous, but time will tell.

Good eye on the articulated wrists though.



I'm not too worried about the scanning trooper. It'll make it out eventually, and I wasn't too jazzed for it anyway.I want that scanning box! All we got is a ridiculous cart nobody remembers anyway. That's fine when it the good part was supposed to come out soon after, but now waiting until AT LEAST 2011 is ruining it. These guys work in pairs, after all. Nobody wanted that cart, they put it out first to ensure sales and then ended up burned, and passed that pain down to us.



I'm also not really worried about the RS answer regarding core characters. It makes sense for them to release these characters on these cards, and there's still enough newness in the figures themselves to get me excited. We've all noticed some of the more obscure characters lingering these past few years, so what's wrong with them refocusing their efforts? They're still trying and making great product, and we'll still get our obscure guys.It's not about core characters, it's about a much greater lack of new figures. At $1 more than Saga Legends and Clone Wars, less accessories, no pack-in, and now fewer new figures, the line has ONLY nostalgia to carry a very heavy load. I don't think it can survive that long on it.



Also, JT what were the other questions (the ones submitted to Collectionstation) and will they be answered late or never? If never will they be added back in the list to vote on for another round?The questions will be answered next round, hopefully not causing a chain reaction like we had back in '06 (they said it wouldn't, but we'll see). Here are the unanswered questions:
Questions from CollectionStation.com:

1) The Dark Trooper, across its 4 figures and 3 phases, always seems to have underwhelming release scenarios. Both phase II releases (the '98 EU wave, and TAC's re-release Saga Legends wave) were headaches to track down; the phase III was spread across expensive exclusive sets so it cost $85 to build, and its repaint was canceled; and now the phase I is stuck in the end-of-the-line wave that has been repurposed to low-production TRU-exclusivity. Clearly, the Dark Trooper has among the worst luck of all Star Wars figures. Has there been any thought to releasing a multi-pack of the 3 Dark Trooper figures together so that collectors finally can army-build the characters they want? Or if that won't fly, maybe you could pack in that new and also hard-to-get Kyle Katarn figure with them and have a Dark Forces theme set?

2) The Resurgence of the Jedi battle pack has a new ANH Luke Skywalker and already fans are enjoying the new likeness and the torso design, but the other elements have some issues. The VOTC Luke's legs were used here, and they seem too small for this figure, underproportioned compared to the upper body. Also, the plastic "skirt" is rather stiff, preventing the figure from sitting down, extra frustrating since this scene he's sitting down most of the time. And the head deco is odd, cast in white plastic and then painted. Might a future ANH Luke figure address these problems while still using the head and torso sculpts?

LTBasker
03-17-2010, 06:53 PM
Ugh... It's going to be fun getting the Darktrooper, I'm sure.

I don't understand their dilemma with the Vintage-style bubbles and the scanning crew trooper. The trooper is pretty thin, I think they could get away with a slightly extended bubble to fit the scanning box behind him. Back during the ye olde Kenner days they made a larger bubble to fit Amanaman, so it has precedent. Of course they also have those battle packs that seem large enough to fit in that scanning box...

Darth Metalmute
03-17-2010, 07:47 PM
Looks like the new waves are getting out there. I haven't seen anything but the speeder bike locally.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
03-18-2010, 01:16 AM
ASM Zine got word that they're doing an all-new astro droid with even more accuracy regarding panels and so on. Should be cool.

Han's Hideout got confirmation of a Senate Duel Darth Sidious in the ROTS wave, holy hot nuts!!! They say four ROTS figures will be upgrades to current characters, three will be straight repacks, and there will also be an ANH figure alongside this wave. We already know about Sidious, Grievous, and Anakin with ball-joint elbows (unless it got bumped), so I wonder what the other will be. Still, I'm pretty ecstatic about finally getting this Sidious.

bigbarada
03-18-2010, 09:03 AM
Sorry for the negative tone in my posts. I'm just unbelievably frustrated at the thisses and thats of trying to keep the line alive as evidenced in today's answers.

I kind of get the sense that the Star Wars boat is taking on water fast and Hasbro is doing everything they can to keep it afloat. It doesn't help that some fans are acting like Hasbro is deliberately trying to kill the line or has some kind of personal vendetta out against them and their incomplete dioramas (which isn't that big of a problem on this site, but is almost epidemic on certain other fansites).

Personally, I think Hasbro went too far into obscurity with Legacy last year. Jumping over figures that fans had been requesting for years (like Bom Vimdim, updated Dr. Evazan, Wooof, etc.) right to the figures that even the most diehard collectors had trouble getting excited about (Leesub Sirlin, Pons Limbic, Giran, etc.). Hopefully, they can correct that this year with more "mainstream" figures like Ackbar and the Gamorrean Guard, but it would have been better if 2009 had been more balanced and we might have avoided this entire situation.

Neuroleptic
03-18-2010, 02:05 PM
Currently the only three figures I consider absolute must haves before the line dies are:

Hoth Leia (getting soon ^_^)
R2 with pop up lightsaber (Sounds like he may be made some time in the near future)
and Wicket (So far no mention).

Anything else I plan to buy only if I realy like it when I see it in the store.

Anyway, going off what I just said, I have zero problem with core characters being the focus of TVC line, as I'v been passing on TONS of the back ground characters in recent years due to lack of interest and lack of space. I look at what's sitting on the shelf at my local wal mart and target and it's almost ALL back ground characters. The same ones week after week. Focusing on core characters will be a huge help to the line I think, especialy since at this point all I'm looking for are definitive visions of the main characters and the rare figure that interest me for no real reason.

ncbarrett
03-18-2010, 02:35 PM
... at this point all I'm looking for are definitive visions of the main characters and the rare figure that interest me for no real reason.
Along those lines...
I don't normally collect Stormtroopers of any kind, but I just bought a concept Snowtrooper just because I thought he looked really sweet.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-18-2010, 07:15 PM
With the OTC in 2004, it was mostly a repack year. The first part of the year saw several new figures and resculpts with the end of the Saga Line. Then there were repacks in the Saga Hall of Fame bunch of figures. The OTC line only had 7 new figures (9 if you count Wedge and Holo Emperor). From what we've seen or heard about so far, we'll be doing better than that. With the ESB wave, there are a lot of redos, but most are figures that people have been wanting to see upgrades of. Plus, a lot of people have expressed excitement over the vintage style cards, so you might get a lot of people collecting them for that just to keep carded.

JediTricks
03-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Ugh... It's going to be fun getting the Darktrooper, I'm sure.Yeah, "fun".


I don't understand their dilemma with the Vintage-style bubbles and the scanning crew trooper. The trooper is pretty thin, I think they could get away with a slightly extended bubble to fit the scanning box behind him. Back during the ye olde Kenner days they made a larger bubble to fit Amanaman, so it has precedent. Of course they also have those battle packs that seem large enough to fit in that scanning box...The bubbles have to be a specific depth to get them stacked into their generic cases. No way there's enough room for a figure with the box behind him, you may as well be stacking 3 figures into 1 coffin blister. A better way to do this would be to have the figure higher and the accessory below the figure near the bottom of the card. They also have a lot of empty space in the middle, but that might upset the visual impact they're going for. I'd rather have the box than no figure though.



ASM Zine got word that they're doing an all-new astro droid with even more accuracy regarding panels and so on. Should be cool.Yeah, that's great news, I'm thrilled. I'm a little surprised that they act like this is a new idea though, the Ep 1 figure is fantastic in the dome because the panels aren't indented and that is 11 years old. I hope they don't sculpt such thick lines for the body panels too, the VOTC body looks alright with a dirty deco, but clean it highlights how thick those lines are. And they need to make it shorter and have the hip spacers. Hopefully they'll hit it out of the park finally.



I kind of get the sense that the Star Wars boat is taking on water fast and Hasbro is doing everything they can to keep it afloat. It doesn't help that some fans are acting like Hasbro is deliberately trying to kill the line or has some kind of personal vendetta out against them and their incomplete dioramas (which isn't that big of a problem on this site, but is almost epidemic on certain other fansites).Yes, it does feel like SW is sinking and Hasbro is clutching at air to save it. I appreciate them going to great efforts to save it, but without entertainment support I too fear it's going to die in the next 2 years. Your post in the other thread suggested you feel it's more like 1 year, which I think HOPEFULLY is too much, but you could be right too.

I don't get any fan who thinks Hasbro isn't doing everything in their power to try to keep the line going. That is just short-sighted and selfish, and I'm glad you pointed it out that way.


Personally, I think Hasbro went too far into obscurity with Legacy last year. Jumping over figures that fans had been requesting for years (like Bom Vimdim, updated Dr. Evazan, Wooof, etc.) right to the figures that even the most diehard collectors had trouble getting excited about (Leesub Sirlin, Pons Limbic, Giran, etc.). Hopefully, they can correct that this year with more "mainstream" figures like Ackbar and the Gamorrean Guard, but it would have been better if 2009 had been more balanced and we might have avoided this entire situation. I do agree that Leesub was a really poor call, and Brainiac wasn't the most outstanding choice in a wave with 2 other Mos Eisley snores. But IMO, those risks would have been acceptable if Hasbro hadn't screwed up the pacing of the last 2 years. It's the momentum they lost from TAC falling asleep at the end of '07 and Indiana Jones taking its place for so long only to then have Star Wars wake up, barf up 2 waves, a wave of repaints, and fall back asleep until 2009. That is just too much momentum to lose, and here they are doing it again. The only new movie figures in 2009 were the Yarna wave, and stores were flooded with it and the live-action Clone Wars 1 wave for 4 more months, only to end the year with the "who cares" wave of ROTS figures with the Organa couple. Hell, even Breha Organa wouldn't have been TOO bad a choice if they had released it around the same time as one could find exciting figures on the pegs too, but no, everything was this themed wave plan that got too specific and too snorey and too slow.

Devo
03-19-2010, 07:02 PM
Another incrementally improved astromech mold doesn't really fill me with joy, not sure I'll notice the changes. Probably for the best because I'd hate to find myself thinking that all the astromechs I've bought up to now are suddenly obsolete. My main beefs have always been the chrome dome they kept giving R2-D2 for no reason whatsoever and also the annoying backwards middle leg on the G9 mold. I've been happy with the astromechs otherwise...whether a panel should be recessed or level with the surrounding surface I can't say I ever noticed that kind of thing.

JediTricks
03-19-2010, 10:50 PM
It bugs me to no end, I notice every little change on astromechs figures. The Ep 1 figure has one of the best domes, they used paint and chrome and then a topcoat layer - that topcoat scatters the light from the chrome, giving a much better sense of scale. Unfortunately, many collectors like the regular obvious chrome for nostalgia, and kiddies like it 'cause it's shiny.

I've not noticed the backwards foot on R4-G9 molds though. In fact, I've got my R4-G9 right here on my desk and examining the middle leg, it seems to be completely symmetrical front-to-back. The angle of the cuts, the sculpted detail, even the "leg" part. So what is this?

DarkJedi5
03-20-2010, 12:40 AM
I've not noticed the backwards foot on R4-G9 molds though. In fact, I've got my R4-G9 right here on my desk and examining the middle leg, it seems to be completely symmetrical front-to-back. The angle of the cuts, the sculpted detail, even the "leg" part. So what is this?

This is a problem that drives me nuts as well. Perhaps Devo can explain this better than I but on quite a few of the astros that share the R4 body the center leg is attached backwards. While it looks pretty symmetrical front to back you can tell it's backwards because of the range of the "foot". On the ones that are backwards, the foot achieves a greater angle behind the droid than when extended in front of the droid. The reason this all bothers me is because it when the droid is displayed rolling in its "three-point stance" it requires the droid to have a more upright posture than depicted in the films (the droid actually achieves a more accurate position rolling backwards than forwards). As far as I've discovered there is no easy (or any) way of popping of the leg and turning it around.

bigbarada
03-20-2010, 06:53 AM
This is a problem that drives me nuts as well. Perhaps Devo can explain this better than I but on quite a few of the astros that share the R4 body the center leg is attached backwards. While it looks pretty symmetrical front to back you can tell it's backwards because of the range of the "foot". On the ones that are backwards, the foot achieves a greater angle behind the droid than when extended in front of the droid. The reason this all bothers me is because it when the droid is displayed rolling in its "three-point stance" it requires the droid to have a more upright posture than depicted in the films (the droid actually achieves a more accurate position rolling backwards than forwards). As far as I've discovered there is no easy (or any) way of popping of the leg and turning it around.

I've actually never bought a single droid, based on the R4-G9 mold, that does not have the backwards foot problem. It totally ruins the aesthetics of the figure and you can't flip the foot around without breaking it off. That's why I will never buy another astromech based on that mold and I'm very glad to hear that we are getting something new.

Mad Slanted Powers
03-20-2010, 10:00 AM
I guess I don't understand what is backwards about it. It looks like it swings the same amount in either direction.

JediTricks
03-21-2010, 01:24 AM
Questions from other sites has been posted. 2 per site has made this somewhat draining more than usual.
http://www.sirstevesguide.com/index.php?categoryid=13&p2_articleid=2676


This is a problem that drives me nuts as well. Perhaps Devo can explain this better than I but on quite a few of the astros that share the R4 body the center leg is attached backwards. While it looks pretty symmetrical front to back you can tell it's backwards because of the range of the "foot". On the ones that are backwards, the foot achieves a greater angle behind the droid than when extended in front of the droid. The reason this all bothers me is because it when the droid is displayed rolling in its "three-point stance" it requires the droid to have a more upright posture than depicted in the films (the droid actually achieves a more accurate position rolling backwards than forwards). As far as I've discovered there is no easy (or any) way of popping of the leg and turning it around.Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the info.

No, there wouldn't be a way to pop it out, it's in a track, you'd have to unglue the figure's seams. How is it that folks assume it's the leg that's the problem though and not the foot? And what about carving down the receiver slot inside the foot, has that been tried? I would think the worm gear inside would make the center leg completely symmetrical, while the foot itself has a slight variance inside the receiver.



I guess I don't understand what is backwards about it. It looks like it swings the same amount in either direction.That is what I thought too. If you pose R4-G9 backwards, so he's in the 3-legged pose with his back facing out, it lines up perfectly. Yet if you look in pics of this mold like so:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TLC/DroidFactory/5/tlcDF-201.jpg
there does seem to be a problem (and I checked, other pics from other sites are the same way). Notice in this group pic of all the repaints of R4-G9, you can see the problem on the front row because the ARC-170 fig on the left doesn't have it:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TLC/BattlePacks/ResurgenceofJedi/LC-2506.jpg&text=Astromech%20Line-Up!%3Cbr%3ETop%20Row:%20R4-G9%20|%20R4-P17%20I%20|%20R2-M5%20|%20R2-C4%20|%20R2-A6%20|%20R3-T2%20|%20R2-Q2%3Cbr%3EMiddle%20Row:%20R2-X2%20I%20|%20R4-K5%20|%20R4-M6%20|%20R2-D2%20%2830-04%29%20|%20R2-KT%20|%20R2-D2%20%28Comic%20Packs%29%3Cbr%3EBottom%20Row:%20Ra zor%20Squadron%20Astromech%20|%20R2-B1%20|%20R2-T0%20|%20R2-D2%20%28Droid%20Factory%29%20|%20R4-P17%20II%20|%20R2-X2%20II%20|%20R2-D2%20%28Resurgence%20of%20the%20Jedi%29%3Cbr%3E
Here's another group shot where you can see it in play:
http://www.rebelscum.com/photo.asp?image=/TAC/tacBPARCeliteastrocomp.jpg

So what does this mean? Well, it could be that there's a slight difference in the height of the foot mounting, that would definitely cause this, but that first pic suggests it's mounted at the same height as my R4-G9 (and mine even has a little flash in the foot causing hitting, but not enough to cause this).

But the figures all seem to align the same when the leg is withdrawn. My theory is there's excess flash in the foot which changes the amount of travel allowed by the ankle. Alternately, the peg or receiver hole could have been moved but that would have changing tooling on 2 mold halves across all 8 cavities each side. I am sticking with excess material in the foot itself, the leg appears completely symmetrical. R4-G9 can look the same backwards as forwards so between that and the retracted pose, the idea that the leg has a side that works and a side that doesn't should be discounted. That leaves the foot, which is glued shut, so that's why I think shaving down that receiver slot in the foot should fix this problem. But it won't be easy without something like a dremel, there's almost no room to work.

DarkJedi5
03-21-2010, 03:05 PM
Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the info.

No, there wouldn't be a way to pop it out, it's in a track, you'd have to unglue the figure's seams. How is it that folks assume it's the leg that's the problem though and not the foot? And what about carving down the receiver slot inside the foot, has that been tried? I would think the worm gear inside would make the center leg completely symmetrical, while the foot itself has a slight variance inside the receiver.


That's my bad, every time I said leg I meant foot. The foot is the problem, the leg is simply straight up and down. I have looked to see if the foot could be popped off but I've applied just about as much pressure as I'm comfortable with and never got it to come off. I assume that there is a hole through the leg and two posts on the inside of the foot that just pop into the hole but I can't be sure. Carving down the back side might be the best option.

JediTricks
03-21-2010, 03:32 PM
That's my bad, every time I said leg I meant foot. The foot is the problem, the leg is simply straight up and down. I have looked to see if the foot could be popped off but I've applied just about as much pressure as I'm comfortable with and never got it to come off. I assume that there is a hole through the leg and two posts on the inside of the foot that just pop into the hole but I can't be sure. Carving down the back side might be the best option.
I've seen a mountain of complaints that the leg is backwards though, you're not the first to use that term. The foot itself cannot be mounted backwards, it works the same way forwards or back on R4-G9, so the most likely issue is build variance in the foot.

I believe the foot has a peg which is glued together upon assembly physically running through the ankle, so the only way to remove it would be to break the seams which would result in a piece this small in shredding the foot, obviously no help.

If you have any luck with carving, sanding, or grinding down the slot in the foot, let us know, I'm sure a lot of folks out there would like to hear there is a doable solution to this issue. Theoretically, that should fix it no matter the cause of the problem.

Darth Metalmute
03-22-2010, 07:39 AM
I found it interesting that when talking about EU, Hasbro themselves brought up Bastila Shan, without being proded.

Edit:
Nevermind, didn't realize this was already announced.

JediTricks
04-12-2010, 06:24 PM
I've seen a mountain of complaints that the leg is backwards though, you're not the first to use that term. The foot itself cannot be mounted backwards, it works the same way forwards or back on R4-G9, so the most likely issue is build variance in the foot.

I believe the foot has a peg which is glued together upon assembly physically running through the ankle, so the only way to remove it would be to break the seams which would result in a piece this small in shredding the foot, obviously no help.

If you have any luck with carving, sanding, or grinding down the slot in the foot, let us know, I'm sure a lot of folks out there would like to hear there is a doable solution to this issue. Theoretically, that should fix it no matter the cause of the problem.
An update on this, I remembered finally where I saw that mold being assembled, it was posted in response to the R2-KT charity figure:

http://www.r2kt.com/hasbro/actionfig.html

Those are shots of it in their assembly jigs. As you can see, the center leg is externally a symmetrical design, it has to be in order to allow the worm gear to raise and lower it. Even if it weren't assembled forward AND the worm gear didn't traverse it all the way down, that wouldn't affect the angle of the foot.

The center foot also appears externally symmetrical, but internally is asymmetrical and could be assembled onto the leg backwards. If this is the cause, shaving down the track would address this asymmetry as I suspected as that is the only difference, but since R4-G9 doesn't have this problem forward or back, it would have to mean the foot AND the leg were both assembled backwards, and then we have to assume that something in both of those is off enough to cause this. Having looked at R2-T0 pics as my chief example of the problem, I'd say the middle foot design doesn't match from cavity to cavity, so they're mixing sides from different cavities, causing an asymmetrical final foot which blocks travel. Shaving down the track should alleviate the problem, but could be troublesome work. I suppose I should add this to the Q&A question about Cody's belt.