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bigbarada
06-18-2010, 08:57 AM
Looks like I found the very first 12" Sideshow figure that I WILL buy.:pleased:

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=18145

Pre-order starts June 24th and the full product reveal is June 22nd.

JediTricks
06-18-2010, 03:31 PM
I suspect the pricing will keep me from getting this. It looks good, but I can't see dropping anywhere near $100 on a Gam Guard figure, and that's a bummer. Half that and I'd be in, but Sideshow has largely left me behind with their numerous pricing increases.

That said, this looks good, but the eyes are wrong.

Darth Metalmute
06-18-2010, 04:58 PM
I fear the price as well.

After the $90 Greedo, nothing should surprise us, although the price of the last couple of trooper has been reasonable (at least compared to Greedo).

It looks great, but the other day while mowing, I had a urge to sell off my Sideshow collection. I originally wanted to set up a Jabba the Hutt display and have come to the conclusion that I may never have the room to do it. I'll probably hold off, hoping to one day have the room, but I may stop buying these figures for a while. Or at least until the droids and Fett are made.

Then again, I will probably pick this one up.

The fact that the SDCC exclusive is just a E2 Clone lieutenant really tweeks me.

bigbarada
06-18-2010, 05:50 PM
That said, this looks good, but the eyes are wrong.

Well there is always going to have to be some creative license when sculpting these kinds of characters. Do you make them look exactly like they did in the movie and sculpt it looking like an actor wearing a mask? Or do you try to determine what the alien would "really" look like in the real world? In which, you can end up with eyes like on the vintage action figure that are too far apart, too large and too bulgy.

Knowing the directions they could have gone with the eyes, I think they found a good happy medium between the two extremes. The "wee, beady eyes" are actually one of the selling points of this headsculpt for me.

I plan to get two of these and then hold out hope that we might see an Ephant Mon (in one of their Q&As, Sideshow already confirmed that the design work for Ree-Yees, Tessek and Yak Face was complete, BTW). However, if the price is over $120, then I'll have to space out my purchases and try to find the second one on sale.

JediTricks
06-19-2010, 04:04 PM
If I want an interpretation, I'll get the Hasbro version (which I did, on clearance, and it's not without charm) or a Gentle Giant animated statue. If I'm spending $100 and up for a film-accurate version, it shouldn't be interpreted beyond the intentions of the film version. Bottom line, these:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090224163136/starwars/images/6/64/Gamorrean-hd.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarasotarockstar/3854943720/sizes/o/
don't need interpretation.

As for what was intended, there are mountains of aliens in SW and ROTJ with non-human eyes, if that's what the producers wanted for the Gamorreans, they would have done so, since they didn't, it has to be assumed they won't.

Lord Malakite
06-19-2010, 04:57 PM
It looks good, but I can't see dropping anywhere near $100 on a Gam Guard figure, and that's a bummer. Half that and I'd be in, but Sideshow has largely left me behind with their numerous pricing increases.
Tack on an additional $10 to the price for the "Exclusive Edition" variant they are 99% likely to have.

bigbarada
06-19-2010, 07:22 PM
If I want an interpretation, I'll get the Hasbro version (which I did, on clearance, and it's not without charm) or a Gentle Giant animated statue. If I'm spending $100 and up for a film-accurate version, it shouldn't be interpreted beyond the intentions of the film version. Bottom line, these:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090224163136/starwars/images/6/64/Gamorrean-hd.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarasotarockstar/3854943720/sizes/o/
don't need interpretation.

As for what was intended, there are mountains of aliens in SW and ROTJ with non-human eyes, if that's what the producers wanted for the Gamorreans, they would have done so, since they didn't, it has to be assumed they won't.

So do you want more eye-whites or are Sideshow's eyes just too blue? I guess I'm not 100% sure what so inaccurate about the eyes on the figure. I can see that there is something off about them, but it's so not a deal breaker for me.

JediTricks
06-20-2010, 02:41 PM
Tack on an additional $10 to the price for the "Exclusive Edition" variant they are 99% likely to have.Exclusives generally aren't more expensive than standard editions, and the few that have been have been $5 more. But the Gamorrean is a big pig, so I'm guessing that'll be $125 minimum, and the exclusive will be free and something like the alternate axe design.



So do you want more eye-whites or are Sideshow's eyes just too blue? I guess I'm not 100% sure what so inaccurate about the eyes on the figure. I can see that there is something off about them, but it's so not a deal breaker for me.They're too small, and too blue, but also too pinched at the bridge, too close together by a slight but noticeable amount. Or maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but it does seem off. I definitely wouldn't call it a dealbreaker either, would I be willing to part with that much coin, but it'd drive me nuts at $100+.

jonthejedi
06-21-2010, 05:23 AM
Yeah, I hate to admit it...but their pricing will make or break my decision on prebooking this monster.

Lord Malakite
06-21-2010, 07:02 AM
Exclusives generally aren't more expensive than standard editions, and the few that have been have been $5 more. But the Gamorrean is a big pig, so I'm guessing that'll be $125 minimum, and the exclusive will be free and something like the alternate axe design.
Maybe I'm thinking of either the higher end stuff (statues, dioramas, busts, etc.) or one of the other brands they do (Marvel, G.I. Joe), it all kind of blurs together with as much stuff as I enter on CollectionStation for Steve. I do know though that most of the stuff I've entered recently within the last two weeks on CS regarding Sideshow was averaging about a $10 difference between the normal and exclusive stuff and that 12" SW figures were amongst the stuff I recently updated.

JediTricks
06-21-2010, 03:58 PM
Must be GI Joe then or Premium Format. SW 12" has been pretty consistent, either no diff or $5, even on the newest figures.

Lord Malakite
06-21-2010, 09:59 PM
Must be GI Joe then or Premium Format. SW 12" has been pretty consistent, either no diff or $5, even on the newest figures.
Went through the CS database and glanced at a couple of the regular and exclusive editions and it looks like, for the most part, you are right. I must of been thinking of one of the other Sideshow sections. Though I did find two exceptions to the "no diff or $5 diff" rule. "Clone Wars" Anakin had a $10 difference between regular (http://www.collectionstation.com/items/view/11468) and exclusive (http://www.collectionstation.com/items/view/16412) editions (for Rotta the Hutt) and Grand Admiral Thrawn had a whopping $145 price difference between regular (http://www.collectionstation.com/items/view/11479) and exclusive (http://www.collectionstation.com/items/view/11481) editions (for a "high quality polystone" Command Chair).

JediTricks
06-22-2010, 03:24 PM
I just came in to mention that Clone Wars Anakin being $10 different. There ya go then.

The chair thing doesn't count. :p

JediTricks
06-22-2010, 05:35 PM
Steve just posted the link to the Gamorrean's gallery: http://affiliates.sideshowtoy.com/Tracker.aspx?aid=1160&href=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sideshowtoy.com%2f%3fp%3d184 77

$120. No mention of an exclusive at all.

Is it a rubber suit, or are the limbs immobile at the knees and elbows?

They found an accessory I've never seen before, a pike.

The pants look like a full diaper. :p

I stand fully by my claim that the eyes are too close together because the bridge of the nose is sculpted too small. Compare this shot:
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/100006_press12-001.jpg
to Sideshow's 1:1 Gamorrean bust sculpted by Howard Senft:
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=2963FLEX&ref=search0109
There's a clear difference in the way the eyes and nose are handled. Actually, don't compare them, you'll feel bad about this 12" figure, it looks a lot more Hasbro-esque from that comparison.

bigbarada
06-22-2010, 06:37 PM
Those pikes are what the Gamorrean Guards at the front gates used. You remember they clacked them in front of Luke just before he force-choked them?

Yeah that front facing photo is kind of a bummer, but I'm hoping that some of it is due to lens distortion because the picture was taken with with a narrow-angle lens (maybe 80-100mm). The human eye is a 55mm lens so the front of the face might not look so wide and flat once you get it in front of you.

However, considering that the Gamorrean Guards in the film were just guys in masks, then the eyes are actually too far apart. An average human face is 5 eye-widths apart with only one eye-width between the two eyes. If you actually measure the eyes in that photo, they are nearly 2 eye-widths apart.

Besides, the profile pics of the face are perfect and that's been the weak point of every Gamorrean Guard figure to date, IMO. I'm still sold on this thing and plan to pre-order it on Thursday.

jonthejedi
06-23-2010, 05:22 AM
...nice fig...but so much for all the cool characters(like a SNOWTROOPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) from ESB 30th anniversary.(Sigh).

bigbarada
06-23-2010, 08:30 AM
...nice fig...but so much for all the cool characters(like a SNOWTROOPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) from ESB 30th anniversary.(Sigh).

Personally, I'm troopered-out when it comes to Star Wars. I'm glad to see Sideshow breaking out of the Clonetrooper/Stormtrooper/Sandtrooper rut that they seem to have been stuck in for the last couple of years.

Darth Metalmute
06-23-2010, 08:44 AM
I'll probably preorder the thing, with the possibility of cancelling later.
Everything from the waist up looks good, but everything below the waist looks lke they ran out of funding for this projects design. The leg detail is not as good as the top half of the body, and the shorts look like they belong on a kid that wears shorts with knee high socks and sandals.

JediTricks
06-23-2010, 03:12 PM
Those pikes are what the Gamorrean Guards at the front gates used. You remember they clacked them in front of Luke just before he force-choked them?Yeah, I am saying I've never seen them done as an accessory before. I guess that was a little vague the way I put it before.


Yeah that front facing photo is kind of a bummer, but I'm hoping that some of it is due to lens distortion because the picture was taken with with a narrow-angle lens (maybe 80-100mm). The human eye is a 55mm lens so the front of the face might not look so wide and flat once you get it in front of you.This isn't likely the case, there's no sign of barrel distortion. Plus, their photographer is pretty careful about such things usually. And you can see a longer shot is still suffering the same issue:
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/100006_press21-001.jpg


However, considering that the Gamorrean Guards in the film were just guys in masks, then the eyes are actually too far apart. An average human face is 5 eye-widths apart with only one eye-width between the two eyes. If you actually measure the eyes in that photo, they are nearly 2 eye-widths apart.But you are arguing that based on the 12"er's eyes that are CLEARLY too small for the head and a nose that's sculpted wrong. This is sculpted correctly, see how there's less face everywhere and the eyes are more realistic?
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2963_press01-001.jpg
The eyes on the 12" are also not set as deeply as they should be, which would change that as well.


For me, this seems a little too Hasbro, and for that kind of coin, I can't justify it.

Jayspawn
06-24-2010, 09:59 AM
Cool looking figure. I'd get him if my plate wern't already overflowing with projects and other collectibles to get.

bigbarada
06-24-2010, 12:52 PM
Yeah, I am saying I've never seen them done as an accessory before. I guess that was a little vague the way I put it before.

This isn't likely the case, there's no sign of barrel distortion. Plus, their photographer is pretty careful about such things usually. And you can see a longer shot is still suffering the same issue:
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/100006_press21-001.jpg

But you are arguing that based on the 12"er's eyes that are CLEARLY too small for the head and a nose that's sculpted wrong. This is sculpted correctly, see how there's less face everywhere and the eyes are more realistic?
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2963_press01-001.jpg
The eyes on the 12" are also not set as deeply as they should be, which would change that as well.


For me, this seems a little too Hasbro, and for that kind of coin, I can't justify it.

Well, I see your point, but I just don't agree that it's a problem or any reason to not buy this figure. That Hasbro 12" Gamorrean was awful and this one looks 99% perfect. Definitely worth the money as far as I'm concerned.

JediTricks
06-24-2010, 02:54 PM
Well, I see your point, but I just don't agree that it's a problem or any reason to not buy this figure. That Hasbro 12" Gamorrean was awful and this one looks 99% perfect. Definitely worth the money as far as I'm concerned.
Ouch, "awful". It was $30, I don't think at that price it can be called awful, especially with Hasbro involved. ;) The proportions are off and the paint wash is a bit odd, but I can't see it being called "awful". It's not 12" Zam Wesell bad.


Anyway, Gammy here is going on sale tonight in a few hours.

Lord Malakite
06-25-2010, 04:11 AM
Gamorrean Guard (http://www.collectionstation.com/items/view/16544) and Clone Lieutenant (http://www.collectionstation.com/items/view/16545) added to the CS database.

Jayspawn
06-25-2010, 09:13 AM
The Hasbro Gammy isnt aweful or terrible. The paint is a little off too, but it's still decent.

Yes, 12" Zam gets that title, aweful, worst and terrible.

JediTricks
12-03-2010, 04:34 PM
Is it my imagination, or did Sideshow's Gamorrean get worse in this new figure? http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=29245&source=120210news&utm_source=newsletter-pers-120210news&utm_medium=email&affiliate=CD1384
It might just be the lighting, or the goofy open mouth, but everything in that shot looks lesser-than.

bigbarada
12-03-2010, 09:59 PM
Is it my imagination, or did Sideshow's Gamorrean get worse in this new figure? http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=29245&source=120210news&utm_source=newsletter-pers-120210news&utm_medium=email&affiliate=CD1384
It might just be the lighting, or the goofy open mouth, but everything in that shot looks lesser-than.

It's not just you. It definitely dropped into the "Holy crap, I'm not spending $120 on THAT!" category.

It's hard to believe that Hasbro's little $8 3.75" action figure just totally blows Sideshow's $120 12" figure out of the water.

JediTricks
12-07-2010, 07:29 PM
They have the blog up with full pix of Gartogg: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?p=29437
Aaaaand, sucks. How could they get just about everything wrong? Scales of the chest armor circle, the belt loop, the length of the skirt, the forearm size and small forearm armor even in compare to that, the entire head design including the broken horn. It's just so frustrating!

You are totally right, the $8 Hasbro figure is lightyears past this SECOND attempt from Sideshow at the Gamorrean Guard.

bigbarada
12-07-2010, 11:04 PM
They have the blog up with full pix of Gartogg: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?p=29437
Aaaaand, sucks. How could they get just about everything wrong? Scales of the chest armor circle, the belt loop, the length of the skirt, the forearm size and small forearm armor even in compare to that, the entire head design including the broken horn. It's just so frustrating!

You are totally right, the $8 Hasbro figure is lightyears past this SECOND attempt from Sideshow at the Gamorrean Guard.

I saw those earlier and thought to myself, "Wow, way to totally redeem Hasbro's 12" Gamorrean Guard there, Sideshow." lol

TheDarthVader
12-13-2010, 11:30 AM
I own the Hasbro 12" gammy, and he is a great hasbro 12 incher, IMO.

JediTricks
12-15-2010, 05:28 AM
Yeah, good call, definitely makes the cheaper Hasbro one feel less like a turd for not wearing the Sideshow badge.

bigbarada
12-16-2010, 08:06 PM
Is Sideshow actually releasing two Gamorrean Guard figures? I might still get the standard version that we saw photos of several months ago; but I'm not nearly as excited about it as I was before seeing the Hasbro figure.

JediTricks
12-20-2010, 11:05 PM
Yup, 2 figures, there's:
Gamorrean Guard (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=100006)
Gartogg - Gamorrean Guard (http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=1000061)

Looking at the item number, it appears Gartogg is an unannounced variant on the original, it goes regular 100006 and Gartogg 1000061 (the SSC exclusives usually are the pieces with the item number adding a "1" to the end). But I believe the only differences will be the heads, and even there the only real difference is the open or closed mouth. The cut & sew look the same, except the first Gam Guard's pics look better, so probably not what you'll get in the production version.

jedibear
02-15-2011, 09:24 PM
The porcine protector is here!

He's pretty impressive looking. Good detailing, good outfit. He might seem a little too green, but it looks good depending on the lighting conditions. The paint apps on the one I got are pretty clean, but there have been folks who've posted shots where the teeth and horns look a little sloppy...

The articulation is pretty limited on the guy. The legs move and can splay a bit, the arms are ball-n-socket, the head swivels about on a post-neck. The feet swivel at the ankles There is no breaks in the limbs for any more articulation, so no kneeling poses or throat-grabbing gasps from this figure. While it's limited, the limbs are well sculpted with great detail. He's a solid, heavy figure and while it's good having the feet have a little movement, it also makes the ankles a bit weak support-wise. Hopefully this won't become a problem down the line, especially since there's no stand included. Of course, a regular stand wouldn't work anyway. The head is also attached strangely...leaving a large gap in the back of the figure that looks almost unfinished. There's a bit of the rear hood sculpted into the removable helmet, but it's not near enough to bridge this gap. It's an odd lack of detailing for such a high quality figure.

He's got a pair of alternate hands and a couple of really well-rendered weapons, an axe and a pike. Both feature excellent weathering and detailing.

I'm glad I got him to add to my Sideshow Jabba display...

Here's some shots...take a look!
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jonthejedi
02-16-2011, 05:18 AM
As always, great shots jedibear! I'm def. picking this one up for Jabba's throne when $$$ gets a little better.

jedibear
02-19-2011, 12:43 PM
Did a little addition to the back of the head...
Looks pretty good I think...

JediTricks
02-19-2011, 05:41 PM
I see what you mean about the head, that's very weird. They should have done what you did with that cloth to cover the gap.

This figure actually has eyes, right? I can't see them in any of your shots. One of the reasons I was not interested in this figure was the eyes.

jedibear
02-19-2011, 07:59 PM
Oh yeah..he's got eyes. :D There deep-sunk teeny-ting blue ones set in an area that actually is sculpted to look like the mask we've seen in production stills, which I think is pretty cool.

I was going for my usual mood-lighting stuff with the shots...

The more I look at this guy with my Jabba set-up, the more I'm glad I got him...

jedibear
02-19-2011, 08:39 PM
Here's a couple more shots...one with his crime lord...and one showing his eyes a bit better.


24573 24574

JediTricks
02-20-2011, 04:11 PM
Ok, I see what it is. They're very narrow (I think narrower than the mask) and set deep, so in some of they just aren't getting past their own lighting challenges, and in some the nose is blocking them. Must suck to be that Gamorrean, trying to work as a guard who can't see past his own nose. ;)

jedibear
04-02-2011, 08:55 PM
:yes: Indeed! Can't see past their nose, but still getting hired to guard for Jabba!

Still enjoying this one...here's a shot of him with Fortuna, perhaps greeting certain droids bearing gifts... :)

bigbarada
04-15-2011, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the photos, jedibear! I went ahead and pulled the trigger on this and ordered one off of Sideshow's website just a few minutes ago. Looking forward to seeing the figure in person. :thumbsup:

jedibear
04-16-2011, 11:07 PM
My pleasure! Let us know what you think when you get it!

Jayspawn
04-18-2011, 10:30 AM
This is a great looking figure. Unfortunatly, I have to put it on my 'To Get-To' list as my collectible dollars are being pulled in so many directions. I learned a long time ago that you can't have it all.

bigbarada
04-22-2011, 05:21 PM
The figure arrived today and I must say it's pretty impressive! This is my first Sideshow figure so I'm really happy with it. Great detail on the costume and I think the arms and legs are sculpted well enough that I'm not worried about the lack of elbow and knee articulation. The proportions of the overall figure just feel right as well, with only the back of his head looking a little strange. I actually have mine posed with an upward glance and that helps hide some of the problems with the neck.

The eyes are slightly crossed on mine, but I haven't decided if that's enough of a problem for me to want to exchange it. On any other character, I would have already placed a call in to Sideshow to talk about an exchange; but with the Gamorrean crossed-eyes aren't necessarily a deal breaker. :)

I'm actually tempted to buy a second one now; but I think I'll wait until they've been out for a while and see if I can't snag another for under $100. Eventually someone is going to want to sell a loose Gamorrean to fund another Sideshow purchase, so I think I just need to be patient.

jonthejedi
04-23-2011, 05:39 AM
You could get Gartogg as the 2nd one for some variation.

bigbarada
04-23-2011, 11:21 AM
You could get Gartogg as the 2nd one for some variation.

I considered that briefly, but honestly one of my favorite aspects of the Gamorrean Guards from ROTJ is that there was no variation between them - it was impossible to distinguish one guard from the other. So I would rather preserve that quality about them instead of introducing a variety to their appearance that never existed in the film.

jedibear
04-24-2011, 09:50 PM
Glad you like him, bigbarada! Yes, I'm toying with the idea of picking up another one sometime...
What's holding me back on Gartogg is partially what you mentioned...I don't mind a different "expression" on another one, like say, a curled lip or something, but I'm not too fond of Gartogg's broken horn. Like you mentioned, it's not something we saw in the film(s) so...still thinking about it.

In the meantime, it sure would be great to see some other Jabba Goons in sixth-scale from Sideshow to go with the ole' Gammy!

bigbarada
04-25-2011, 07:20 PM
Glad you like him, bigbarada! Yes, I'm toying with the idea of picking up another one sometime...
What's holding me back on Gartogg is partially what you mentioned...I don't mind a different "expression" on another one, like say, a curled lip or something, but I'm not too fond of Gartogg's broken horn. Like you mentioned, it's not something we saw in the film(s) so...still thinking about it.

In the meantime, it sure would be great to see some other Jabba Goons in sixth-scale from Sideshow to go with the ole' Gammy!

Yeah, I'm already making up a wishlist of what other Jabba's goons I would like to see compliment the Gamorrean Guard. I see the Gamorreans as more Palace henchmen than Skiff Guards, so my list consists entirely of those aliens we saw prominently in the Palace. I think those with vintage counterparts stand the best chance of being made by Sideshow:

Squidhead
Yak Face
Amanaman
Ree-Yees
Klaatu (Wooof)
Ephant Mon (I know he has no vintage counterpart, but how awesome would it be to see Sideshow make a figure of this guy?)