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JediTricks
07-03-2010, 02:11 AM
I have been so excited to get the new Clone Wars Grievous figure. For about 2 years now, I've been trying to display the first CW Grievous in a fairly basic standing pose and every few weeks he falls over. Plus, he's not particularly good at posing in general since he has such limited articulation. So this new one really seemed like the one to deal with all that with its tons of articulation.

Imagine my surprise when I unpackaged him just now and, after his shoulder pads went flying this way and that, his entire body came wiggling out of the card like a gummy bear. And not even a stale gummy bear, a fresh one straight from a Bavarian factory. The clear-bands really don't do this figure any favors either, but he's so pliant that it's merely a short-term issue. The real issue is that, despite the myriad of new joints, this figure is quite possibly the softest basic figure of all time and cannot remain standing for more than a few minutes at a time. His foot-claws have already bent from just standing the past 10 minutes on my desk (leaned against something to remain standing). Grievous is now the ultimate wilter.


Other thoughts:


the battle damaged head is a keen idea, but not really damaged enough IMO;
he's got a removable chest plate to reveal green guts;
the hands are angled, but since they're symmetrical, they can be swapped so they are angled up or down depending on your preference, they are packaged down;
Grievous 1 has more range of motion on his head, but that head is smaller than Grievous 2's head, which is closer to proportion, you can swap them but Grievous 1's is too loose on Grievous 2's neck;
I think mine has 2 right feet based on the camber of the left foot, but it doesn't matter since there's zero chance he'll be using those feet for long;
at full standing height, he's notably taller than Grievous 1... for now, until the gummy bear legs warp totally under;
knee articulation has impressive range, the faux double-joint look they put plenty of effort into emulating would probably not have more range than this single joint;
elbow range, on the other hand, is surprisingly lackluster;
there's more rotation joints on this figure than expected, almost everything, so sad he's wrecked by the gelatin soft candy body;
he has 2 "severed" replacement forearms, but in the "Lair of Grievous" episode this figure is from, I believe it was his legs that were lopped off - oops;
the lack of weathering Grievous 2 stands out pretty badly, especially considering how simple yet effective it is on Grievous 1;
they swapped the blue and green saber hilts, they're the same molds as last time but swapped colors, and now no accent paint, just silver, how arbitrary is that;
did I mention the shoulder pads fly off at a blink? Yes? Well, it bears repeating, and his chest plate isn't on that well either;
Hasbro Photography made a very odd error, plugging his shoulder pads into his collar right up against his neck, and it's intentional I think, the mini-catalog shows Grievous in a battle scene the same way;
if Grievous were actually a gummy bear, his flavor would be "pretentious".

JediTricks
07-03-2010, 04:08 PM
This morning, after just laying on his back for the night, his foot-claws in the back of both feet are totally bent sideways. So very bad. But hey, at least he comes with a display stand with pegs... that he can't use, since no peg holes. :p

Bel-Cam Jos
07-03-2010, 04:37 PM
Sounds perfect for a Demise of Grievous scene. :souncivilized:

But thanks for the review that tells me not to shove down old ladies and sick children to get one.

El Chuxter
07-03-2010, 05:23 PM
I have a vision of a subpar Disney cartoon where General Grievous drinks some sort of juice and bounces around for no reason.

Maybe Yoda is the real Gummi Bear?

figrin bran
07-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Great! I'm only reading this topic after I've bought the Grievous. I also bought the Deluxe Ironhide today which was quite a stinker.

sonofsokol
07-04-2010, 03:22 AM
I guess what it comes down to is the the Clone Wars line is a "kid targeted" line and kids LOVE gummy bears. :yes: So really, it kinda makes sense. ;)

Despite the soft plastic, I still think it is an upgrade over the previous CW Grievous. A couple more tries and they ought to nail it :thumbsup:

Bel-Cam Jos
07-04-2010, 09:02 AM
I have a vision of a subpar Disney cartoon where General Grievous drinks some sort of juice and bounces around for no reason.

Maybe Yoda is the real Gummi Bear?Sippin' on Jinn and juice? Bouncin' in his '64? And, no. Yoda's a Monchichi, definitely. Or maybe a Shirt Tale.

AFCollector
07-04-2010, 12:53 PM
Despite the soft plastic, I still think it is an upgrade over the previous CW Grievous. A couple more tries and they ought to nail it :thumbsup:

Same here, thanks for the review. Guess I'll stick with my "buddy" pose of him leaning on Dooku's speeder. ;)

Maybe next time Hasbro.

JediTricks
07-04-2010, 02:19 PM
I have a vision of a subpar Disney cartoon where General Grievous drinks some sort of juice and bounces around for no reason.

Maybe Yoda is the real Gummi Bear?
That would explain Yoda's 2 dueling scenes. Bouncing here and there and everywhere. High adventure that's beyond compare.



Great! I'm only reading this topic after I've bought the Grievous. I also bought the Deluxe Ironhide today which was quite a stinker.Geez, you missed all my warnings except Searchlight! :p



I guess what it comes down to is the the Clone Wars line is a "kid targeted" line and kids LOVE gummy bears. :yes: So really, it kinda makes sense. ;)

Despite the soft plastic, I still think it is an upgrade over the previous CW Grievous. A couple more tries and they ought to nail it :thumbsup:In the early days of POTF2, Kenner/Hasbro was fighting the market against SW Bend-Ems, maybe this is a nod to that. :D

Visually and in articulation, it's an improvement. For "standing up" and deco, it's a step backwards. Since I bought it for "standing up", it fails the action figure test. Badly. The shoulder pads coming off so easily is starting to really grate on my nerves too.



Same here, thanks for the review. Guess I'll stick with my "buddy" pose of him leaning on Dooku's speeder. ;)

Maybe next time Hasbro.Even then, he'll sink down and crush your spirits as long as he's on his feet. Hasbro will say either it's a safety issue (despite '08 Grievous having hard feet) or that the factory goofed mixing the plastic and it's too late to do anything about it this time. :(

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-07-2010, 10:42 PM
I got him earlier this morning. He looks fantastic, and I don't think he's quite as bendy as you're saying, but is an issue. The battle-damaged hands instead of legs thing is annoying, but he does get one hand cut off by Ahsoka in Duel of the Droids, and you can still remove his legs both at the hips and the knees, so it's close enough in my book. I'll see how the rubberiness plays out in a few days.

JediTricks
07-08-2010, 03:16 PM
Compare his limbs to grievous 1's limbs, which were already a bit pliant. I think you'll find my assessment is apt after a few short minutes.

Also, you didn't mention the shoulder pads falling off, is that a problem on yours?

Nice find on the removable legs, I didn't think to try that, the lower legs are barely in their sockets, that has to be intentional.


EDIT: 30 minutes later, I tried to set up 2 more poses after this discussion, a crouching one that was maximum balanced and fell over in a couple minutes. Then I did just a standard standing pose, totally upright, it fell over after 5 minutes. Now I'm setting up a standing absolutely robotic standing pose, but I think I'm about to give up on this figure entirely and go back to ol' Leany McFallover, who takes weeks to fall over, not minutes.

Also, I'm quite sure that the shoulder pads are set too high on this figure, and if I don't give up on it, I'll probably drill lower holes for them.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-08-2010, 06:40 PM
As for the shoulder pads, yeah, they're an issue when I'm moving the figure. They stay on fine when he's just standing there, though.

He's fallen down a few times, perhaps more than most other figures, but it's not every ten minutes or whatever. I think I've noticed him drooping a bit when I've had him in various poses, but I'm not completely sure.

The main thing that's bugging me is that his hands don't hold the lightsabers as well as I would like, though it's not too horrible.

Overall, I mean, it does look fantastic, and it does have issues, so for me it's neither great nor terrible. I had balancing problems with the first Grievous until I put him in a dueling pose with Obi-Wan, and now the added balance helps him a lot. I've been thinking of putting up string or wire and having this new Grievous hang off of it monkey-bar-style like he does in his lair after getting his legs cut off, which would solve the problem of him standing up and look pretty unique.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-14-2010, 11:21 PM
I recently got the Mandalorian Police Officer, who also seems quite rubbery. It's quite obvious when trying to move him at the shoulders or elbows. His legs are very gummy as well; so are Plo Koon's, actually, though I didn't notice until I tried to put him on a base a few days ago and he became very pliant. Strange.

JediTricks
07-16-2010, 02:21 PM
Plo Koon, you mean the new Deluxe fig & vehicle one?

I ended up swapping my Grievous for another one, the angle on the left ankle was better, but ultimately it's the same problem, a few minutes standing followed by a lot of falling. I think Hasbro shouldn't have tried to have him actually stand only on the claws, the midfoot is flat and they could have angled the claws to arch higher so they look like they're doing the work. But as it is now, this figure is dead to me in terms of display.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
07-16-2010, 02:38 PM
No, I mean the original single carded Plo from late 2008. I don't have any of the new deluxe sets yet.

I forgot to mention, but I rewatched a little of Lair of Grievous the other day. He gets his legs cut at basically right above the knee, so the figure's removable lower legs are actually fairly accurate, about as close as you can get while still having the articulation and everything. But his arms were in the four-arm mode while this happened, and remained so for a few moments after while he's escaping, but he does also appear with the broken legs and normal two arms as well. He gets shot in the face after his legs are cut off, so there's that.

In Duel of the Droids, as I mentioned before, Ahsoka cuts off one of his hands. I checked that one as well and it's the right hand at the wrist, so neither of this figure's nubs works 100% correctly for that, but the less-damaged of the two is closer.

JT, I agree on the feet. Too bad we didn't suggest that in the recent question.

JediTricks
07-16-2010, 04:25 PM
I haven't had any notable problems with that '08 Plo Koon, but it has thicker legs than Grievous so it could get away with it, while the thin wall design on Grievous really cannot.


Didn't think of the feet until last night, but honestly, it never occurred to me to need to do this before we got the figure, I assumed it'd be the same material as the '08 Grievous, why wouldn't it be? (There may be tooling or assembly reasons, but neither would be a good enough justification for a figure that cannot stand up.)

JediTricks
08-10-2010, 03:07 PM
Tried again last night just before bed. This morning the figure had fallen. I stood back up, reposed to an even more boring neutral pose, on his face in under a minute. I want this figure to work, but the feet are just a disaster. When I talked to Derryl about it, he said it came up a lot in Q&A and they figure they're going to have to pull it from rotation after the existing run, replacing it with v1.

AFCollector
08-10-2010, 03:27 PM
I got the assortment from BBTS the other day, with Vizla, the Mando-Cop and Aurra, Grievous is still in his shell.

After I unpacked them all, I put them on their stands, which work fine. Grievous was last and he's just horrible. I really like the pose and stature of the toy, it just won't stand up no matter what I do. Such a shame.

Everybody else was fine though.

I didn't have an issue with my original Plo either, perhaps you just got a bad one? I recently replaced him on the shelf with the super-posable figure from the Deluxe bike pack. The bike being a steaming pile of crap by the way. Everything bends, it's like holding a slab of chewing gum. Figure was great though. :)

JediTricks
08-10-2010, 03:51 PM
I keep trying to like this Grievous figure, but yeah, horrible is the right term for a figure that refuses to stand up on its own and can't use a stand.


The original bike mold is pretty gummy as well, to be honest, it's just that we liked the sculpt so much back in the day. I don't know how it holds up now.

AFCollector
08-10-2010, 05:15 PM
No, I hear you. At least the older Grievous can stand if I lean him up against someone. I don't know what prompted the switch to this rubbery plastic they're using. I can only figure that it's cheaper for them to use somehow, although that savings doesn't appear to be passed on to us much.

The mold for the bike is indeed cool, except the whole 'made of silly putty' thing it has going on. I tried, at first, to pose Plo on it, but it'd just tip over and the front forks would simply bend up as they hit the shelf.

I'm just saddened by the quality these figures have been given these past few years. I know the 'rubber plastic' thing isn't new, but these recent ones are even worse than the years before it. I'm on the fence about buying any new figures at all anymore, I'll never be able to tell how good/bad they are going to be before I open them, and then it is too late.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-14-2010, 10:17 AM
How 'bout having an Obi-Wan point a blaster at him to keep him standing? Or is that too uncivilized? :tossesitaway:

I have passed on buying him every time I see him in stores, based on this thread.

JediTricks
08-17-2010, 02:06 PM
Looking at the awesome Kotobukiya 1:7 model, I decided to try a similar pose. Unfortunately, the neck design here won't cooperate, so I had to change some things up, but the leg stance being bent severely became pretty stable, it stood on my desk overnight. Unfortunately, once I added lightsabers (which itself was a feat since the hands are SO useless), it came tumbling down in a matter of moments. Finding that perfect balance point may actually be possible, but the amount of tweaking it'll require will be staggeringly difficult I suspect because it'll have to take into account the sabers, shoulderpads, and even some sagging in the torso.

ChukhaTrok76
08-17-2010, 02:35 PM
Sometimes, I find that if a figure's articulation or hardness/softness of plastic is off, if I pose it the way I want it after running it under very hot water, and then put it in the freezer, the cold will shrink the pliability or softness and then the figure will hold it's pose. That cold treatment works. I had the same problem with the crappy "Last Airbender" figure of Katara, but I had bought it anyway because it's the only reprresentation of the character I'll ever see. Meh.

JediTricks
08-17-2010, 09:30 PM
The thermal setting is at a higher temperature than that, so it's temporary at best, it can only do a little hardening to the outermost aspects of the plastic. In this case, the figure's foot-claws are the only thing he's standing on, so there's just no way to set them, they are the plastic they are. Derryl at Hasbro told me this figure's gotten a lot of complaints already and they're likely going to pull it from rotation and return to the first version which at least stands for a few weeks at a time. If Parrish had been there, I would have suggested they just move the claws up so the main foot was touching the ground, but he didn't make that show, and I didn't make CV.


Upon returning to my figure later in the day, the torso has sagged a little and the balance is definitely no longer on the midfoot the way it was, so this solution wasn't as permanent as I had hoped.