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Mad Slanted Powers
12-29-2009, 11:35 PM
To me, you can get a sniper rifle look from a pellet rifle at WM, and it's FAR more accurate. Nerf is fun for fantasy style guns like the Maverick and Recon and Raider and even the Vulcan - despite it being totally insane. I think the Vulcan (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/upgrade/4263421.html) is what my nephew had on Christmas. Shortly after I arrived I hear this noise, and then see a barrage of nerf darts landing at the bottom of the stairs.

Darth Metalmute
12-30-2009, 02:40 PM
Congrats on the birth of your son Morpheus!

My son got Nerfed this Christmas. He got the Raider CS-35, the Longshot, the capture the flag set, and both Wii nerf games. I told him the only rule was don't shoot your sister (who's 2) and you can shoot me, my wife and the dog as much as you want. Needless to say he shot his sister last night and lost all his guns. Four days was longer than I expected.

If you get the Raider CS-35, make sure to follow directions. My son thought he could put it together himself and it took me an hour to undo what he had done. The drum magaziine is easy to load and takes less than a minute to load all 35 shots. The round flys off even faster. Pump it once and hold down the trigger, and pump till all hearts content. I haven't tried the sticky darts, but I think they would get stuck. You can load the sticky darts into the longshot clip, and use that clip in the Raider, but then you would defeat the purpose of having a gun than can shoot 35 shots in under a minute. The sticky darts do occasionally get stuck in the longshot clip.

I perfer the longshot due to the duel weapon option. However, the second gun has to be reloaded after every shot. But its easy to separate (unless your left-handed).

My haul:
3-D Simpsons globe puzzle
Something, Something, Something, Dark Side
The 2009 Hallmark Star Wars ornaments
Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days
Rascal Flatts tickets (which my sister won)
Halo 3 mongoose

I'll probably use my Christmas money to get a new couch, Republic Heroes, Zelda Spirit Tracks, and Force Unleashed Sith Edition.

Darth Metalmute
12-30-2009, 08:28 PM
Dude, that is some serious Nerf your boy got! I hope he's into it, especially now that he's had it all taken away.

My mother bought it all for him. She thinks Christmas is for shopping. I have two childern and my sister has four. We had Christmas at my sisters and her dinning room set had to be moved out of the room because of the amount of presents my mom bought.


How old is your son? I hadn't heard it requires great assembly, just the drum adapter and then the drum (and optional stock), what did he do? Glad to hear it's easy to load, even better that you can rapid-fire it. I may have to buy it after all, I'm putting it on my Amazon list to watch for a price drop. :greedy:

He's nine, but he doesn't read directions. In fact I never saw them. If you force the drum into the adaptor before the gun is cocked, you can jam it pretty bad. Then he tried to unscrew the gun to get it out. That was the majority of the trouble. The rapid rire is cool, but you have to keep pumping to fire.


I'm kinda blown away by the Raider's drum and pump-action rapid fire you just mentioned. If the Longshot had a higher-capacity clip, I probably would be digging it more than the Raider because I do like the modularity of it with the Recon.

You can add the drum to the longshot, but no rapid fire.

JediTricks
12-31-2009, 04:01 AM
Well, I can kinda see why the suction darts aren't approved for the Recon and Longshot, they don't load into the clips right, the dart heads are fatter than the dart bodies so when you load multiples in there, they start to angle upwards at the front. This doesn't strictly prevent the suction darts from working in the clip, but I suspect this will cause more jamming than regular darts, when I tried whistler darts, they jammed on the first try.

That said, the Drum magazine could either allow suction darts fine or not depending on how it chambers the darts, but the problem with clip alignment wouldn't be an issue from what I can see.



I'm really hoping they release the drum magazines separately, but if you do get the Raider later you could just toss the drum mag into the Recon, and the regular mag into the Raider.I suspect they will hold off as long as possible on the separate drums, it's not like releasing a $10 pack of clips and streamline darts. So if I get the raider, that's exactly what I plan on doing.


Well, I thought you meant something more active, like these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_S2CFpFMOI). :pWow, no. That must have been bizarre to be an unwitting spectator on.



My mother bought it all for him. She thinks Christmas is for shopping. I have two childern and my sister has four. We had Christmas at my sisters and her dinning room set had to be moved out of the room because of the amount of presents my mom bought.Geez, that's a lot to get a grandson all at once.


He's nine, but he doesn't read directions. In fact I never saw them. If you force the drum into the adaptor before the gun is cocked, you can jam it pretty bad. Then he tried to unscrew the gun to get it out. That was the majority of the trouble. The rapid rire is cool, but you have to keep pumping to fire.Oh man, that's pretty bad. The Recon doesn't allow you to load its clip before cocking, so I can see how messed up stuff can get there. Poor lil guy tried to take it apart, I remember trying stuff like that at that age and having the springs pop out and confound me. You're a good guy for getting it back together.

I figured that's how the rapid fire worked, not a problem for me, I like the pump action gimmick.


You can add the drum to the longshot, but no rapid fire.Yeah, not surprised, the Recon is the same way.

Darth Metalmute
12-31-2009, 05:08 PM
Geez, that's a lot to get a grandson all at once.

My mothers the type of person who believes the more stuff she buys you, the more they love you. She and my grandmother are the same way. They put a set price amount on what they spend on each person, and even if they run out of reasonable things to buy, they still spend the quota.

Ando
01-04-2010, 04:21 PM
I'm back at my desk after the long holiday break. We gave everybody at work 2 four day weekends and I was gone the 3 days in between.

Here's my Christmas haul. It was a big Star Wars Christmas for me:

- Marc Ecko SW Hoodies: X Wing Luke from my wife and Stormtrooper version from her folks.
- Hasbro Force FX TPM/AOTC Obi Wan lightsaber from the wife.
- LEGO SW Tantive IV set (wife).
- R/C R2D2 in my stocking (wife).
- LEGO store gift cards from my brother and from wife that I turned in to get a LEGO SW ARC-170 and a LEGO SW Freeco Speeder.
- Homemade stuffed Bantha that my wife made.
- Nerf Reactor gun from my sister's husband.
- TRU gift card from my FIL/MIL.
- A "homemade" car kit from my wife with napkins, tissues, bottled water, candy, soda, etc. to keep in my truck.
- A tiny little hot dog keychain that my wife knit for me.
- A Benchmade 14800 HK OTF knife from my wife's brother (a couple weeks before Christmas).

My wife definitely spoiled me this year and it was an all around great Christmas.

As for the ongoing Nerf discussion... Right before Thanksgiving, our local retailer Fred Meyer had a huge sale on toys and I got 2 Mavericks and a Recon to have around the house. I definitely like the Recon, but I prefer the Maverick to it. But now that I know the Longshot and Recon parts are interchangeable, I will definitely have to get a Longshot the next time it goes on sale.

I plan on getting the Raider this month after I get paid again. I like the drum magazine and reading on here about how it fires "automatically" as you pump it is a huge selling point.

I got the Vulcan last year for Christmas, but the darn thing jammed and then broke after playing with it (read: shooting my wife with it) for only 10-15 minutes. It's the only time I broke a toy (or had one break on me) ON Christmas Day. I took it back to Target and got 2 GH Cinema Scenes instead. I think I got 7-8 Cinema Scenes last Christmas between gifts and after Christmas spending.

Happy New Year, my friends.

JediTricks
01-04-2010, 06:37 PM
The Maverick is hard not to like. I almost bought the clear version I saw at WM a few weeks ago, and I have ZERO use for another one right now after buying my mom and my niece one over the last few years.

Wow, broke it on xmas, that's a good one! :D

Ando
01-04-2010, 06:41 PM
The Maverick is hard not to like. I almost bought the clear version I saw at WM a few weeks ago, and I have ZERO use for another one right now after buying my mom and my niece one over the last few years.

Wow, broke it on xmas, that's a good one! :D

Yeah, that Maverick is a solid shooter. We gave one to each of my brothers as gag gifts (TRU had them for $6 and change Black Friday weekend) and they loved them!

Yeah, it sucked and I felt horrible for breaking something my wife had given me but she was totally cool about it and I felt better when the CSR at Target showed me the other broken one they'd gotten back earlier in the day.

JediTricks
01-06-2010, 05:25 PM
That bantha is rad!


Back on Nerf, something I meant to mention earlier. The streamline darts not only look good in the Maverick, but they fly a little faster too. This is because they don't quite fit, they're a little snug in the chambers, which seems to add a little more "oomph" to the firing action. I'm actually getting better aim with the Maverick than the Recon on them in terms of distance.

Ando
01-06-2010, 05:29 PM
That bantha is rad!


Back on Nerf, something I meant to mention earlier. The streamline darts not only look good in the Maverick, but they fly a little faster too. This is because they don't quite fit, they're a little snug in the chambers, which seems to add a little more "oomph" to the firing action. I'm actually getting better aim with the Maverick than the Recon on them in terms of distance.

Thank you! I really like it and I am very proud of my wife for coming up with something like that all by herself.

I bought a refill pack of streamline darts with 2 clips when I bought my Nerf guns and they work really well with the Maverick and that Maverick is literally and figuratively the best bang for the buck.

JediTricks
01-06-2010, 06:58 PM
She did a very entertaining job, very gift-of-the-magi.

I was given a pack of extra streamlines for my Recon, I separated out 6 for my Maverick, drew black lines around the middle to differentiate them from the regular streamlines. Good find on the clips, I can't find those sets around here. Target has a tag for the single clip sets, but are gray-tagged which means totally sold out.

Yeah, the Maverick is the ultimate Nerf gun really, most fun, most clever, best value, best looking.

Ando
01-07-2010, 10:25 AM
Good find on the clips, I can't find those sets around here. Target has a tag for the single clip sets, but are gray-tagged which means totally sold out.

They are very hard to find! I see them VERY VERY rarely in the stores.

It's actually what pushed me to purchase the Recon. The blasters are easy to find, the refills+clips aren't. I figured if I was going to have one, I'd like to be able to reload fast.

JediTricks
01-07-2010, 04:47 PM
The Recon being able to stow a second clip in the stock is making me want to buy another clip, that is for sure.

One note of advice on the clips tho', they will technically hold 7 streamline darts, but leaving them in there flattens the darts out which is not so good for aerodynamics and it makes them much harder to load next time as 1 orientation flies right back out of the clip. I think Nerf needs to make a double-sized clip.

Ando
01-07-2010, 04:59 PM
One note of advice on the clips tho', they will technically hold 7 streamline darts, but leaving them in there flattens the darts out which is not so good for aerodynamics and it makes them much harder to load next time as 1 orientation flies right back out of the clip. I think Nerf needs to make a double-sized clip.

I know. 7 makes the gun jam up which sucks when your wife is shooting at you from the kitchen.

JediTricks
01-07-2010, 05:28 PM
The secret is to give the wife one of the Nerf guns that only holds 3 shots. ;)

PS - your wife is double keen for being someone who would shoot back.

Ando
01-07-2010, 05:36 PM
The secret is to give the wife one of the Nerf guns that only holds 3 shots. ;)

PS - your wife is double keen for being someone who would shoot back.

She had one of the 2 Mavericks that I bought before Thanksgiving.

She's a pretty great lady. She's spoiled ever since we first got together and bought me all my Force FX lightsabers, my Marc Ecko SW hoodies, etc. I am a LUCKY, LUCKY man!

LTBasker
01-07-2010, 06:46 PM
I think Nerf needs to make a double-sized clip.

Agreed. Ever since I got the Recon, I've been wanting an extended magazine, especially now after getting the Longshot. The huge gun dwarfs the puny mag, so it'd be nice to have one that holds at least a dozen. I assume there are some hefty calculations for spring tension that make it difficult for larger magazines, though.

For now, there's this (http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/ProductsByBrand.htm?BR=582&ST=PR&ID=25218&PG=3) which seems to have just come out in the last month or so. I saw it in person last month, and probably should have grabbed it - I haven't seen it since. The clip attaches to the bottom of each magazine so you simply have to flip it over when ones runs out.

JediTricks
01-07-2010, 10:37 PM
I have read several reviews claiming the flip-clip attachment fails easily and flings your second clip to the floor, that gave me pause.

I hit WM tonight, 2 different tags for clips and none to be seen.

LTBasker
01-07-2010, 10:53 PM
Well that's disappointing, but thanks for mentioning it. I suppose it's not surprising, the magazine bottoms don't look like they were sculpted with the intention of something grabbing onto them, though at least it's a good pack for a couple extra magazines and 18 darts.

JediTricks
01-07-2010, 11:33 PM
The clip underside is sculpted in N-strike hand grip style.

Darth Metalmute
01-08-2010, 01:54 PM
I have read several reviews claiming the flip-clip attachment fails easily and flings your second clip to the floor, that gave me pause.

I hit WM tonight, 2 different tags for clips and none to be seen.

My son has the clip and it does fly off at the slightest quick movement. However, he sticks the extra clips in his pocket and reloads that way.

I ended up giving him his guns back do to no room to hide them from him. I gave him one last warning not to shot his sister or I would give them to a charity. No sooner than I said that then my daughter picked up one of his guns and shot him in the face. I laughed my head off, but now I get, "How come I can't shoot her but she can shoot me," all the time. So the rule is pretty much out the door. Last night we played a round and I used her as a shield just to mess with him.

Ando
01-08-2010, 01:58 PM
My son has the clip and it does fly off at the slightest quick movement. However, he sticks the extra clips in his pocket and reloads that way.

I ended up giving him his guns back do to no room to hide them from him. I gave him one last warning not to shot his sister or I would give them to a charity. No sooner than I said that then my daughter picked up one of his guns and shot him in the face. I laughed my head off, but now I get, "How come I can't shoot her but she can shoot me," all the time. So the rule is pretty much out the door. Last night we played a round and I used her as a shield just to mess with him.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

"In the face! IN. THE. FACE!" - Rob Riggle/"The Hangover"

LTBasker
01-08-2010, 02:49 PM
No sooner than I said that then my daughter picked up one of his guns and shot him in the face.

Wow, execution-style. That's impressive! :thumbsup:

JediTricks
01-08-2010, 03:19 PM
My son has the clip and it does fly off at the slightest quick movement. However, he sticks the extra clips in his pocket and reloads that way.

I ended up giving him his guns back do to no room to hide them from him. I gave him one last warning not to shot his sister or I would give them to a charity. No sooner than I said that then my daughter picked up one of his guns and shot him in the face. I laughed my head off, but now I get, "How come I can't shoot her but she can shoot me," all the time. So the rule is pretty much out the door. Last night we played a round and I used her as a shield just to mess with him.Haw! Make 'em wear eye protection, I guess. That's their punishment, they have to look stupid. :p

Darth Metalmute
01-08-2010, 05:10 PM
Haw! Make 'em wear eye protection, I guess. That's their punishment, they have to look stupid. :p

I don't think that would bother him. He got googles with the Nerf Tag set and wheres them all the time when he's not playing Nerf.



Wow, execution-style. That's impressive! :thumbsup:

She's good at the bank shot too. That Nerf Tag set has velco on the dart and the foam bounces hard. She and my son ambushed their uncle yesterday and she bounced one of the wall into my head.

JediTricks
01-09-2010, 11:08 PM
Make him wear MORE eye protection then, I guess. ;)


I picked up the Raider tonight at Target. They're selling it for $25, it's normally $35. They had the flip-clip set for $14, or for $11 more I can get the drum mag and a nifty gun to use it. I haven't opened it yet, just got home. I almost bought a return, it was opened and still had christmas wrapping paper taped to a little section on the back. :p

JediTricks
01-10-2010, 02:53 AM
Here are my first thoughts. Out of the box, it seems quite small. It's just that it's narrower than the Recon, but the combined length is the same as the Recon. Little touches aren't as nice tho' such as the extra dart storage in the grip - here it's slightly too deep.

The drum is impressive. It loads the same as the clip, and has a tensioner that keeps it from squashing the darts. It cannot receive suction arts tho', they don't align with the front of the feed well enough. It actually can hold 36 darts comfortably, 37 snug.

The Raider is an ok gun in single fire mode. The slide requires power at the end of travel, and sometimes feels jammed here. At the beginning of travel, the gun will occasionally bend a streamline dart in half - this is quite shocking. But mostly it does ok, the barrel length seems to work in its favor, despite not being fixed rotationally.

Where this thing really fails is slam-fire, nearly constant jams in this mode because it fires early here with the stop wall still up. The receiver design is similar to the recon but differs in 2 ways that cause problems as well. I tried it with a regular clip and got the same results, so at least it's not the drum mag.

The gun with the clip and using the recon's light, plus the stock set to its closest setting looks more than a bit like a stormtrooper blaster, which is not a bad thing.

I just wish the slam fire mode wasn't such rubbish, it truly dissapoonts because it has so much promise. As for single fire, it's ok but not as nice as the Recon, which does nicely using the drum I might add. But the raider only has 2 rails, both on top so 1 is in the way of the other. I don't regret it overall though, it has some charm, and there is no denying the drum mag.

Darth Metalmute
01-10-2010, 03:47 PM
I'n wondering if your's might be defective JT. I have not had any of those problems yet, especially with the bent streamline. It has occasionally jammed, most mostly in single fire mode after a reload.

I'm a little disapointed with the Longshot. It says it can shoot 35 feet but my house is only 30 long and it I don't adjust my aim high, I can't hit the other side of my house. And I'm not talking a little high where the target is still in the scope, I'm talking a 5-10 degree raise.

JediTricks
01-10-2010, 05:02 PM
Non-analog tv, huh BCJ? Swank! Those combo DVD players are generally more trouble than they're worth though, so go easy on it, if it gives trouble, you may wanna consider just hooking up another DVD player anyway.


Metalmute, you get decent action out of the slam-fire rapid firing mode? I've read a few reviews that have the same problems I am, so I figured that was just how it is - lots of jams, dribble-outs, and misfires. In fact, I'm pretty sure the design is the issue, there's a "gate" to chamber the dart, that gate is retracted by the bolt once seated, but in slam-fire mode it shoots before fully seating and thus before the gate drops all the way (the action is all in 1 movement, so it's more art than science). I would be surprised to hear it's consistent, and would definitely return it for replacement if that's the case.

I'm not surprised about the distance on the Longshot being a claim of BS, they put air restrictors inside the bolt to keep these from being too strong and thus a danger to children. I hear that you can get the claimed distance if you load the Streamline darts with the little exhaust hole facing upwards, this seems to affect their flight just enough to make that little difference.


I have to retract something I said about the Raider, the fit n finish isn't as bad as first seemed. The only really loose element is the barrel which rotates inside the housing, but it doesn't slide forward or back. The reason the darts were getting stuck in the handle is that the darts which come with the Raider are slightly shorter than the regular streamline darts, for no reason at all - I mixed the extra darts I got with the Recon and Raider darts, they all work the same in the drum and in the Raider. The Raider's access door also is much easier to use than the Recon's, though like the clip it only can be accessed when the gun is cocked.

The Raider has a funny thing, they added a "digital camouflage" pattern of varying squares almost everywhere to the sculpt, but didn't paint them. I guess this is to cut down on glare from the plastic, but in the blue color they don't show up all that well - which is fine by me, it'd look sillier I suspect if you could see it.

The reason the larger darts don't work in the Raider for crap is the slightest change they made to the bolt. On the Recon there's a long "finger" in the receiver that is surrounded by 2 walls, this seats into the barrel when cocked, but on the Raider there's only 1 wall, and when the bolt goes to seat into the barrel the lack of that second wall catches the oversized heads of the sonic and suction darts. I think what Nerf needs to do is make a streamline suction dart, should be easy enough, just scale down a suction cup so it seats into the middle of the dart and not over the outside.

The Raider is definitely awkward to hold with the drum mag for a right-hander like me, gets a little better held lefty. It fires fine now in single shot, I haven't had a jam in over 100 shots (3 emptyings of the drum mag), but it's definitely not as tightly grouped as the Recon. The stock is a little more stable and variable than the Recon's, but not as stylish. :p The front handle makes it easier to single-shot rapid-fire than the Recon, but the Recon's bottom-loading clip config makes using the drum mag FAR more balanced than having it stick out the left side of the Raider. The look of the Recon with the drum mag, all its gear, and the second clip loaded in the stock is quite impressive. I think my family members are going to want to do a Nerf battle soon, so I think I'll buy a Flip Clip set and hand them the Raider with the Flip Clip, the Maverick, then bring out the Drum Mag on the Recon. :D But if they want a rapid-fire type battle, I'll stick with the Raider & Drum because even though it's less accurate, it's clearly better for rapid fire.

The Recon with the drum mag and no barrel or stock looks hilarious. This little handgun with a magazine larger than the gun itself. :p

Darth Metalmute
01-10-2010, 08:22 PM
Metalmute, you get decent action out of the slam-fire rapid firing mode? I've read a few reviews that have the same problems I am, so I figured that was just how it is - lots of jams, dribble-outs, and misfires. In fact, I'm pretty sure the design is the issue, there's a "gate" to chamber the dart, that gate is retracted by the bolt once seated, but in slam-fire mode it shoots before fully seating and thus before the gate drops all the way (the action is all in 1 movement, so it's more art than science). I would be surprised to hear it's consistent, and would definitely return it for replacement if that's the case.

I haven't had a problem yet, however, every once in a while it shoots two darts.

LTBasker
01-11-2010, 01:07 AM
Shame to hear the Raider isn't all that great, but I'm glad it seems to at least have some redeeming qualities.


I'm not surprised about the distance on the Longshot being a claim of BS, they put air restrictors inside the bolt to keep these from being too strong and thus a danger to children. I hear that you can get the claimed distance if you load the Streamline darts with the little exhaust hole facing upwards, this seems to affect their flight just enough to make that little difference.

Granted, the Longshot seems to have a bit more oomph than the Recon, but yeah, the 35 feet claim is probably without restrictors. I can't tell much difference with having darts' vent holes facing up or down, both setups seem to act equally unpredictable. The only significance I noticed is that they had no problem with flying perfectly straight.

One of my dart's rubber trip got cut off during a jam in my Recon, and it seems to fly a bit further than the rest. Of course, I'm not about to cut off all the rubber tips to my darts just for that, but I may cut off some if I ever pick up one of these (http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/ProductsByBrand.htm?BR=582&ST=SO&ID=23737&PG=3).

JediTricks
01-11-2010, 04:44 PM
I haven't had a problem yet, however, every once in a while it shoots two darts.
When it shoots 2 darts, that means there was a jam previously and the original chambered round was successfully cleared with the second shot - this suggests to me that either your Raider is firing later in slam-fire than mine, or dropping its gate sooner (I'm guessing the former, as the latter requires a longer part). Very interesting, thanks for the info, I may get another one and take this back.


The streamline dart heads have a slightly aerodynamic shape, but it sounds like those gains are lost in its weight. Surprised to hear they don't just tumble as soon as they leave the barrel though.

From what I've read, without air restrictor, the gun's original distance will nearly double, but the power behind it will cause a little tumbling in flight, and some guns it'll add wear to the gun that will need compensation.

LTBasker
01-13-2010, 05:07 PM
Here's what the Recon looks like with the Longshot's pistol/barrel, and vice versa. The Recon's single dart storage in the grip is highly useful for holding a spare dart for the Longshot's pistol!

JediTricks
01-14-2010, 11:26 PM
The Longshot looks a bit odd with the Recon's barrel, but including the sliding sight on it makes for a good flow front to back.

The Recon looks great with the Longshot's barrel-gun, and good thinking about the extra dart.

I was at Target tonight, they had the crosshair dot set, the scope set, and the green light set on clearance for $5 down from $10. I was super tempted on the scope, but it's not really magnifying anything, and I can only use the 10 micro suction darts it comes with for the Maverick, so I passed at the last minute, money is too tight. Seeing the scope on yours, I think I may have made a mistake.

I wish Nerf would convert either the single-shot N-Strike blaster (the little box gun with a grip) or the keychain blaster (palm sized, no grip) to work with the tactical rail system. That'd be cool to have a tiny backup slid onto the rail the way the Longshot has its single-shot, but smaller. Oh, and how about a gun that works with the rail but fires balls, mega rockets, or disks? That'd be boss!

Ando
01-15-2010, 10:24 AM
Oh, and how about a gun that works with the rail but fires balls, mega rockets, or disks? That'd be boss!

Like a grenade launcher on the underside of an M-16 or M-4?!? Yeah, that would be pretty boss! :thumbsup:

JediTricks
01-15-2010, 05:47 PM
Like a grenade launcher on the underside of an M-16 or M-4?!? Yeah, that would be pretty boss! :thumbsup:
That's precisely what I was thinking.


I just got a check from my grandma for $100 for christmas, so that goes on this hauls list.

LTBasker
01-15-2010, 07:18 PM
I was thinking of something like an M203 launcher the other day as well! With the adaptation of various real firearm features, it feels like it's a necessity to have something like that. I was thinking it could work as a separate release as a ball launching gun. The backend could twist off, revealing a mount that is compatible with the existing modular barrel mounts on the Recon and Longshot, so it could attach to those just like the Longshot's barrel/pistol.

The removeable backend could also have a mount for a stock like Recon and Raider, and because it uses the modular system to attach to the launcher, it could be attached to the Longshot's barrel/pistol.

Completely unrelated, but there's a cool looking small gun coming out, seen here (http://nerfguns.org/nerf-deploy-cs-6). Also, Target has a bandolier (http://www.target.com/94671-0-Nerf-N-Strike-Bandolier-Kit/dp/B002QG1B9U/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=0&searchView=grid5&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1038576&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=target104545&keywords=NERF&searchPage=2&field_browse=1038576&searchSize=30&field_keywords=NERF&field_availability=-2).

TeeEye7
01-16-2010, 03:06 AM
There seems to be enough interest here to start a "Nerf Weapons of Mass Destruction" forum in its own right.

Bel-Cam Jos
01-16-2010, 09:29 AM
Can you imagine a Nerf SW line? Lightsabers, DL-44 blasters, Geonosian sonic rifles, Ewok bows and arrows. We'd be out of our economic woes in less time than it'd take to empty a volley of Nerf missles! :thumbsup: Maybe we could use them in our interantional conflicts instead of bombs and bullets. :rolleyes:

Mad Slanted Powers
01-16-2010, 11:05 AM
Can you imagine a Nerf SW line? Lightsabers, DL-44 blasters, Geonosian sonic rifles, Ewok bows and arrows. We'd be out of our economic woes in less time than it'd take to empty a volley of Nerf missles! :thumbsup: Maybe we could use them in our interantional conflicts instead of bombs and bullets. :rolleyes:
There could even be a Nerf nerf. Scruffy-looking people could practice herding them.

JediTricks
01-17-2010, 03:40 PM
I was thinking of something like an M203 launcher the other day as well! With the adaptation of various real firearm features, it feels like it's a necessity to have something like that. I was thinking it could work as a separate release as a ball launching gun. The backend could twist off, revealing a mount that is compatible with the existing modular barrel mounts on the Recon and Longshot, so it could attach to those just like the Longshot's barrel/pistol.I like the idea of a slide better, just because more N-strikes have the rail, but your idea is cool too.


The removeable backend could also have a mount for a stock like Recon and Raider, and because it uses the modular system to attach to the launcher, it could be attached to the Longshot's barrel/pistol.Basically, it becomes its own gun at that point then.


Completely unrelated, but there's a cool looking small gun coming out, seen here (http://nerfguns.org/nerf-deploy-cs-6). Also, Target has a bandolier (http://www.target.com/94671-0-Nerf-N-Strike-Bandolier-Kit/dp/B002QG1B9U/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=0&searchView=grid5&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1038576&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=target104545&keywords=NERF&searchPage=2&field_browse=1038576&searchSize=30&field_keywords=NERF&field_availability=-2).The bandolier is kinda cool. I am pretty sure it's designed to double as a strap for something like the Recon which has a clip point on the stock (most of the rifles have a clip point on the grip as well).

That other gun isn't so small, the Deploy looks pretty big even when the grip is needlessly folded away. I dunno about that one, the gimmick seems pointless, the flashlight is gigantic and has a clip sticking out, the gun has a clip sticking WAY out the side - not like the Raider, but crazily so. Still, it looks like it could have some charm, it has shotgun-style pump action.



Can you imagine a Nerf SW line? Lightsabers, DL-44 blasters, Geonosian sonic rifles, Ewok bows and arrows. We'd be out of our economic woes in less time than it'd take to empty a volley of Nerf missles! :thumbsup: Maybe we could use them in our interantional conflicts instead of bombs and bullets. :rolleyes:Hasbro did make a Nerf SW blaster, the Clone Trooper blaster is a Nerf gun, as is the Rebel Trooper blaster. If it hadn't been WHITE, I would have bought it. If they make Nerf Lightsabers the way they're making Nerf Swords right now though, I'd be on cloud 9. Those hard plastic basic sabers they make are fun for battling, but they are somewhat unsafe for dueling because they're sharper than they should be at the collapsing points.

LTBasker
01-17-2010, 08:49 PM
I like the idea of a slide better, just because more N-strikes have the rail, but your idea is cool too.

True, it would be good to utilize the rails more, and thanks. :cool:


Basically, it becomes its own gun at that point then.

Yeah, thought it would be a nifty feature.


That other gun isn't so small, the Deploy looks pretty big even when the grip is needlessly folded away. I dunno about that one, the gimmick seems pointless, the flashlight is gigantic and has a clip sticking out, the gun has a clip sticking WAY out the side - not like the Raider, but crazily so. Still, it looks like it could have some charm, it has shotgun-style pump action.

Well it looked small at first. :p That's what she said...? No, she wouldn't say that, nevermind. Anyways, the gimmick is indeed mostly pointless, but allows for a feature that is immaturely delightful, which can be seen in the video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KoJII52-BQ).

Once deployed, it really looks a lot like the Mossberg bullpup shotgun (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/mossberg_500_bullpup.jpg), which honestly just makes me want it more. I think I'll put off the Longstrike and just get the Deploy. :D

JediTricks
01-18-2010, 04:10 PM
Thanks for the video on the Deploy. It really is a hollow gimmick, though it does look like fun to mess with. I can't imagine dropping $20 or more on it though.

Ando
01-18-2010, 04:29 PM
I'll be honest, I really like the look of the Deploy. I will probably pick up a Raider first, tho. I just wish my wife and I had a bigger place to shoot these off by ourselves or when the nephew(s) come over to visit.

Ando
01-23-2010, 08:07 PM
I just had to check in and post this using my mobile phone...

Using a $25 TRU gift card and $10 in rewards, I picked upon the Nerf Raider. TOTALLY WORTH IT. This is a great blaster. Nerf got this oneness right!

I highly recommend it.

Darth Metalmute
01-24-2010, 11:40 AM
Hasbro did make a Nerf SW blaster, the Clone Trooper blaster is a Nerf gun, as is the Rebel Trooper blaster. If it hadn't been WHITE, I would have bought it. If they make Nerf Lightsabers the way they're making Nerf Swords right now though, I'd be on cloud 9. Those hard plastic basic sabers they make are fun for battling, but they are somewhat unsafe for dueling because they're sharper than they should be at the collapsing points.

My son got the clone gun for his birthday last year. Not a bad weapon. Came with a build-in laser scope where if you tugged the trigger to just before the point of fire, you could put a red dot on what you were aiming at. I don't recall how well it fired as he ruined it by leaving it in the rain. But it did use the suction darts.

JediTricks
01-24-2010, 03:56 PM
I forgot, the Clone Blaster originally came in blue. It was too bright for my tastes, but I liked the action on it.


Metalmute, I didn't realize the Clone one also had a light, I know the Rebel one does. That explains why they added on a sight to the top, it never occurred to me until right now that they added that sight to the toy because it's not on the actual DC-15 movie prop.

JediTricks
07-16-2010, 01:39 PM
Well, it's finally happened, Nerf has finally made a bigger clip and a $50 automatic rifle for it to go in:
http://gizmodo.com/5588890/so-this-is-what-nerf-guns-are-like-now-huh

The ECS (extended clip system, I bet) is 18 shots, and it comes with 1 standard 6-shot clip and 3 18-shot clips: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/07/lo-the-nerf-stampede/

If this was $35, I would be fully on board, but at $50, I dunno.

Darth Metalmute
07-16-2010, 01:54 PM
I don't know, I think the 50 dollar price tag is about right.

The past big guns have been in the 30-40 dollar range and only comes with one or two clips. This one comes with 4 which typically 2 clips alone is a 10-20 dollar purchase. So thats about a 40-60 dollar total.

LTBasker
07-16-2010, 04:10 PM
Well, it's finally happened, Nerf has finally made a bigger clip and a $50 automatic rifle for it to go in:
http://gizmodo.com/5588890/so-this-is-what-nerf-guns-are-like-now-huh

The ECS (extended clip system, I bet) is 18 shots, and it comes with 1 standard 6-shot clip and 3 18-shot clips: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/07/lo-the-nerf-stampede/

If this was $35, I would be fully on board, but at $50, I dunno.

:love:

$50 does seem kinda steep, but with 4 magazines? 3 of which are the huge type? That feels like a pretty great deal. In fact, that seems like too much for only $50... one of each magazine is normally what I'd expect, especially with the apparent features. Looks like the riot shield is removable, and the stock retractable. I'm wondering if that bipod grip acts like real grippods (http://www.calssportingarmory.com/Grip_Pod_Systems_GPS_LE_Foregrip_Bipod_Black_p/gpsle.htm)...

What really gets me about this, though, this thing requires SIX -D- batteries?! Not only is that incredibly expensive, but that's gonna be ridiculously heavy! It's no wonder it comes with a freakin bipod, everybody is just gonna want to lay on the ground with it! I hope it at least has a charging handle so you can at least go back to normal play when your batteries run out...

...probably halfway into the second magazine. :p

Oh, and for some reason they have a clear plastic CS-6 Deploy on HTS.
http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/nerf-n-strike-clear-deploy-cs-6?BR=582&ST=PR&PG=2

JediTricks
07-16-2010, 04:23 PM
Yes, the shield is removable via the N-strike rail system.

I know, 4 mags is a decent deal, but look at the drum mag, that thing holds twice as many rounds as 1 clip, is more complex in design, and that set was $30. I do agree that you guys are right, but these mags are dead simple to manufacture even if they sport a pressure-retarding spring to keep from squashing or ejecting the rounds, I think including 3 new clips was more about justifying the higher price of the full-auto machine gun design on this one.


Man, the clear Deploy does not have the charm of the clear Maverick, it only confirms what I thought about the Deploy before, it's a big empty thing that doesn't do enough.

LTBasker
07-16-2010, 04:43 PM
That's true, there is a severe lack of the drum magazine, that thing needs to be utilized more. They probably figured it didn't go with the assault rifle look, I guess.

Regardless of the features and whatever magazines might be included, I don't think I'll be getting it. I didn't realize the Vulcan uses the same amount of batteries but given that it generally rests on a tripod and isn't trying to be the practical weapon, meaning you'll only bring it out every so often, justifies the battery requirements somewhat.

For a rifle you'll probably want to regularly use, though? Unless the motor works off of a minute amount of power and the batteries will last a long freaking time, it's really difficult to get excited about dealing with that. I think my next Nerf purchase will continue to wait until I (hopefully) find the Raider available again with a second drum mag included.

Ando
07-16-2010, 04:45 PM
Oh MAN, I am DOWN with this.

As long as it doesn't jam up like the Vulcan, I will definitely be getting one. I will however wait for the inevitable Hasbro double your Darts offer. And TRU and Fred Meyer run enough sales that I am sure I can find it for less than $50.00

I have 2 Raiders (I got my second one on sale and it came with the Double Dart package), so I have 2 drum magazines to go with the 3 18 round mags that come with this.

that shield, however, will go right into the trash. Lame.

From the pictures of the Stampede and the link provided for the grippods, it looks like they will function like the real thing.

Unfortunately I don't know too many people my age that spend their disposable income on Nerf guns.

JediTricks
07-16-2010, 04:58 PM
That's true, there is a severe lack of the drum magazine, that thing needs to be utilized more. They probably figured it didn't go with the assault rifle look, I guess. It's more expensive to produce, I'll guess, and they probably found folks don't want to refill 36 darts at a time.


Regardless of the features and whatever magazines might be included, I don't think I'll be getting it. I didn't realize the Vulcan uses the same amount of batteries but given that it generally rests on a tripod and isn't trying to be the practical weapon, meaning you'll only bring it out every so often, justifies the battery requirements somewhat.

For a rifle you'll probably want to regularly use, though? Unless the motor works off of a minute amount of power and the batteries will last a long freaking time, it's really difficult to get excited about dealing with that. I think my next Nerf purchase will continue to wait until I (hopefully) find the Raider available again with a second drum mag included.6 d-cells means it's a 9v power system which is pretty strong, but D-cells also carry quite a lot of energy in them, that's why they're so big. I would think 6 Ds means hours of firing time.



Oh MAN, I am DOWN with this.

As long as it doesn't jam up like the Vulcan, I will definitely be getting one. I will however wait for the inevitable Hasbro double your Darts offer. And TRU and Fred Meyer run enough sales that I am sure I can find it for less than $50.00

I have 2 Raiders (I got my second one on sale and it came with the Double Dart package), so I have 2 drum magazines to go with the 3 18 round mags that come with this.

that shield, however, will go right into the trash. Lame.

From the pictures of the Stampede and the link provided for the grippods, it looks like they will function like the real thing.

Unfortunately I don't know too many people my age that spend their disposable income on Nerf guns.I think the Vulcan's belt system didn't really work well enough with the imprecision of the darts which is what caused jamming. This uses the clip system which generally only jams either when the front gate doesn't drop in time with the firing (Raider is notoriously problematic with this at rapid firing) or when a round isn't chambered properly (overloading the 6-shot clips does this sometimes, as does loading suction darts and rapid-firing). At the speed it's spitting them out I don't think it's manually raising and lowering a front gate, but it does have a top-mounted access door for jams so my guess is it doesn't chamber the darts but uses a different firing system entirely - the sound coming out in that video definitely doesn't sound like rapid-firing the Raider with the spring clacking as it locks and then fires.

I just realized, this thing will work with the drum mag!!! That will be a weighty but awesome combo!

I think the front grip is part of the N-strike rail system. The knowledge of the shield being rails, the 3 clips, the extra 6 clip, the drum mag compatibility, and now this may be enough to put it over the top in my eyes and ask for it for xmas.

Ando
07-16-2010, 05:10 PM
I have only mangled ONE dart in all of my use of the Raider and it's jammed maybe 2 or 3 times total. And that's with loading up all my clips and 2 drum mags and emptying them just as fast as I can in one sitting. On more than a few occasions.

Yes, that drum mag on the Stampede without the shield will be one sweet looking dart gun.

I am definitely going to get one (or put it on my Christmas list).

JediTricks
07-17-2010, 12:45 PM
My Raider still doesn't drop its gate early enough, so it mashes darts often. A few have been folded in half. Only a couple has it wrecked by tearing the center up though. Luckily I have extras, but I think rapid-fire on my Raider is going to disappear.

Ando
07-17-2010, 07:55 PM
My Raider still doesn't drop its gate early enough, so it mashes darts often. A few have been folded in half. Only a couple has it wrecked by tearing the center up though. Luckily I have extras, but I think rapid-fire on my Raider is going to disappear.

That's a huge bummer, man. I love my Raiders. They're lots of fun and exactly what I would have wanted out of the Recon. I think my Recon is going to end up being a gift to a nephew or family friend's kid soon. I haven't touched it since I got the Raider(s).

LTBasker
07-17-2010, 09:13 PM
Btw guys, TRU has buy one get one half off going on for their Nerf stuff online.


6 d-cells means it's a 9v power system which is pretty strong, but D-cells also carry quite a lot of energy in them, that's why they're so big. I would think 6 Ds means hours of firing time.

Fair enough, I've looked through a few reviews of the Vulcan for battery time notations and it seems decent enough. Still, quite a hefty cost considering I generally go long periods between goofing around with my guns, and I'm concerned about them running out sometime in between. I suppose I'll wait for some reviews of it before writing it off completely. I can't deny absolutely loving the look, and just so many features...


that shield, however, will go right into the trash. Lame.

I'll gladly take it if you really don't want it! I bet it'd look spiffy mounted on the recon's barrel. :D I'm curious if it'd be able to mount on a Vulcan as well...

Darth Metalmute
07-18-2010, 10:13 AM
That's a huge bummer, man. I love my Raiders. They're lots of fun and exactly what I would have wanted out of the Recon. I think my Recon is going to end up being a gift to a nephew or family friend's kid soon. I haven't touched it since I got the Raider(s).


I like my recon, but I had to take apart my son's and put it back together. His hasn't worked correctly since his grandfather bought it for him, but they never took it back.

My favorite so far is the six shot maverick. It has great accuracy, good distance, and suction darts.

JediTricks
07-18-2010, 12:14 PM
That's a huge bummer, man. I love my Raiders. They're lots of fun and exactly what I would have wanted out of the Recon. I think my Recon is going to end up being a gift to a nephew or family friend's kid soon. I haven't touched it since I got the Raider(s).You're driving me crazy!!! :p I am going to buy another Raider at Target and return mine in its place as defective (I bought my original at Target when they didn't have any to replace it).

I can't imagine not liking the Recon, but the modular nature of it is its greatest asset IMO.


Fair enough, I've looked through a few reviews of the Vulcan for battery time notations and it seems decent enough. Still, quite a hefty cost considering I generally go long periods between goofing around with my guns, and I'm concerned about them running out sometime in between. I suppose I'll wait for some reviews of it before writing it off completely. I can't deny absolutely loving the look, and just so many features...Well, if you're worried about battery death, I guess you could take them out or put a break between the terminals so they can't complete a circuit, but D-cells generally have so much reserve they'll last for a long time at rest.


I like my recon, but I had to take apart my son's and put it back together. His hasn't worked correctly since his grandfather bought it for him, but they never took it back.

My favorite so far is the six shot maverick. It has great accuracy, good distance, and suction darts.What was wrong with his Recon? That sucks to hear.

The Maverick is still their best one to date, just simple and fascinating and generally works great (as it gets older, the cylinder on mine doesn't always advance now, the design is quite loose in general so it takes firmer cocking of the slide to get it to lock too). But I think I like the Recon as much as I like the Maverick, they are 2 sides of the N-strike coin to me.

Ando
07-18-2010, 02:12 PM
My biggest issue with the Recon (and I agree, the modular nature is cool), is that the cocking slide is on top and counter intuitive (at least to me).

I truly am bummed to hear that your Raider has caused you grief because mine has been nothing but fun. I even showed my nephew how to load it and use it and he loved it.

JediTricks
07-18-2010, 07:27 PM
A top slide is pretty standard on a handgun, and the Recon starts from that idea, so it works in that sense for me.

Thanks. Yeah, rapid-fire on the Raider has been nothing but failure and I should have been responsible and took it back ages ago.

Ando
07-18-2010, 09:49 PM
A top slide is pretty standard on a handgun, and the Recon starts from that idea, so it works in that sense for me.

Very true, but when you have to **** it/pump it each time to fire it, the Raider has a more natural feel, like on a shotgun.

LTBasker
07-19-2010, 02:16 AM
Hmm, I was just poking at the site that I first saw the Deploy on, and they have pictures of three new exclusive guns. Apparently Wal-Mart's getting a 'roid rage Maverick, Target's getting a Raider-lite, and TRU is getting some Mad Max love.

http://nerfguns.org/

Darth Metalmute
07-19-2010, 08:30 AM
What was wrong with his Recon? That sucks to hear.

When I first knew of the problem, there is a plastic strip on a spring that stops a bullet from leaving the chamber early. Well that spring fell out and the chamber was blocked by thie strip.

It looked as if he tried to open it because two of the screws were striped, which made it difficult to open. I got it apart and fixed it, but it was very hard to put it back together with all the springs.

It worked for a while until I found out yesterday, it wasn't shooting again. This time because the cocking mechanism wouldn't stay locked. But I found out after he had tried to take it apart. So he brought down the gun with half the parts. I put it back together three times before all the parts were actually there. Luckily, it is working now, ironically better than when he bought it because I had to replace several of the springs with springs from pens, which appear stronger.


I have had the same problem with my sons Raider. In rapid fire mode, every third one will just fall out of the barrel. Serveral bullets have become damaged beyond use. I think the problem is that my son over loads the drum magazine and uses damaged/smashed bullets as well. At least I haven't had to take one of those apart.


If you're every looking for a neat puzzle to put together, take a nerf apart.

Ando
07-19-2010, 10:30 AM
Hmm, I was just poking at the site that I first saw the Deploy on, and they have pictures of three new exclusive guns. Apparently Wal-Mart's getting a 'roid rage Maverick, Target's getting a Raider-lite, and TRU is getting some Mad Max love.

http://nerfguns.org/

Very cool! I will skip the WM and TRU exclusives and just get the Alpha Trooper. I like the looks of it and the 18 round drum mag. Rapid fire blasters are more preferable to me anyways.

Darth Metalmute
07-19-2010, 10:54 AM
Hmm, I was just poking at the site that I first saw the Deploy on, and they have pictures of three new exclusive guns. Apparently Wal-Mart's getting a 'roid rage Maverick, Target's getting a Raider-lite, and TRU is getting some Mad Max love.

http://nerfguns.org/

I love the Walmart and TRU exclusive. Heres hoping the double barrels gun can shoot one at a time as well as both at once.

The target one makes me nervious since it's rapid fire is raider-esque.

JediTricks
07-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Very true, but when you have to **** it/pump it each time to fire it, the Raider has a more natural feel, like on a shotgun.True, but the Recon isn't a shot gun or a rapid-fire weapon. There is a tactical rail on top of the slide though which makes it awkward to use accessories on that. I find for regular firing though, it's generally easy to overhand-grip the slide. I guess mileage may vary.


Hmm, I was just poking at the site that I first saw the Deploy on, and they have pictures of three new exclusive guns. Apparently Wal-Mart's getting a 'roid rage Maverick, Target's getting a Raider-lite, and TRU is getting some Mad Max love.

http://nerfguns.org/Wow, the Spectre is really cool, except they made a smaller cylinder so it only holds 5 shots. They're putting whistler darts in the box, the Rev shoots those ok but it does better with suction and streamline darts (streamline being the best because they seat in the chambers tighter, which is probably why they're not approved for the Maverick). I'll almost certainly buy that.

The Barrel Break seems like a fun idea but really pointless as a weapon. It looks like the extra darts holder is on tactical rail though. But oh boy, 2 shots at a time, then a slow breech-loading process, whoopee. It also uses whistlers, so it'll work with suction darts too. I doubt I'll bother with this one unless it's cheap.

The Alpha Trooper looks beefier but shorter than the Raider, but the scale of the kid's hand on the box suggests it's not much bigger than the Maverick so it's probably going to seem overpriced without the drum mag on it. Why they'd make another, smaller drum mag is beyond me, and it's the same number of darts as the new extended clips. Rapid-firing that pump-action slide seems a little awkward compared to the Raider's grip slide though. I'll probably buy this on sale.

All in all, good finds.



When I first knew of the problem, there is a plastic strip on a spring that stops a bullet from leaving the chamber early. Well that spring fell out and the chamber was blocked by thie strip.

It looked as if he tried to open it because two of the screws were striped, which made it difficult to open. I got it apart and fixed it, but it was very hard to put it back together with all the springs.

It worked for a while until I found out yesterday, it wasn't shooting again. This time because the cocking mechanism wouldn't stay locked. But I found out after he had tried to take it apart. So he brought down the gun with half the parts. I put it back together three times before all the parts were actually there. Luckily, it is working now, ironically better than when he bought it because I had to replace several of the springs with springs from pens, which appear stronger. Oh, that would be really bad, good thing you were able to figure it out!


I have had the same problem with my sons Raider. In rapid fire mode, every third one will just fall out of the barrel. Serveral bullets have become damaged beyond use. I think the problem is that my son over loads the drum magazine and uses damaged/smashed bullets as well. At least I haven't had to take one of those apart.Yes, this is also quite common on Amazon reviews as well. The firing problem is that the first shot doesn't seat and fire properly, so it jams the first shot in the gate or before the gate, and chambers a second round and the first one stops them both from seating and firing properly.


If you're every looking for a neat puzzle to put together, take a nerf apart.That's very popular with the Nerf communities, tearing them down, adding new plungers and springs so they fire further.

Darth Metalmute
07-19-2010, 07:56 PM
That's very popular with the Nerf communities, tearing them down, adding new plungers and springs so they fire further.

If I ever have to take the recon apart again, I might look to upgrade it. A couch spring could be perfect for it.

Ando
08-10-2010, 11:44 AM
Okay, so of the 3 Nerf exclusive guns, the only one that appealed to me was the Alpha Trooper CS-18 from Target. So I picked one up on Friday (and 3 more on Saturday for gifts).

$19.99 gets you a blaster, 18 round drum mag, and 18 clip system/streamline darts. NO stock, but the stock from the Raider fits right on there and the so does the one from the Super Soaker Shot Blast (although it's not a 100% perfect fit).

The Alpha Trooper is a fun little blaster. It's got the slam fire feature which works better than the single fire mode. The slide/pumping mechanism doesn't ratchet forward all the way unless you're holding it all the way forward. There's a few millimeters of play that actually cause a delay of sorts when you squeeze the trigger if you're not holding all the way forward.

The slide/pumping mechanism wraps completely around the barrell so it operates with your hand under (like the Raider) or over (like the Recon).

This blaster reminds me of a marriage between the Raider and the Recon both in looks, coloring, and operation. I have both the Raider and the Recon, and while the Recon is nice, I like this one better than it and as much as if not more than the Raider.

Overall, I am happy with this, but if you're picky about your Nerf blasters, this may not be the one for you. I like the mini drum mag, too.

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Target had a BIG display last night for their Nerf section and I snapped this picture of the new Stampede. The picture doesn't do it justice, this thing is ENORMOUS. The shield on the front is huge, too.

I seriously cannot wait for this to come out (September 9). It's gonna be spendy. $55 at TRU and WM, $50 at Target (according to their preorder pages on their respective websites).

With all the magazines that I have + the ones that it comes with, I will probably wear out the batteries (and my wife's patience) with this. I may even get two so I can bring them both to the beach when we go that weekend with my wife's family so that my brother in law and I can annoy everyone.

They also had a few of the Clear Series Nerf Raiders on the shelf, too if anybody is interested in that particular series. If I ever got one, it'd only be for the all clear drum mag and it'd have to be on sale.

PS: JT, I have 2 Raiders, and the one that I keep in my truck works just fine, but the one in the closet has a little issue with jamming up or not sliding back easily on the first try when I pull the pump back to load a new dart. Weird. Is this the issue you have or something altogether worse?

JediTricks
08-10-2010, 02:33 PM
I'm not sure I understand the issue on the Alpha Trooper exactly, but I am curious why it's getting a tepid review.

The more I see the clear N-Strike series, the less I like them. WM had a clear Maverick last year that looked nice, it had smoked plastic I think, but the new one looks boring. It's kinda sad to see all the empty space in these things.

My Raider doesn't have any trouble cocking, it's just the rapid-fire doesn't work for crap, it does 1 or 2 shots then the darts just dribble out and get all mashed up, misfiring against each other.

Stupid Target employees set up the Stampede with the 6-shot clip instead of the 18. :p


Well, it's done, I have finally split this discussion into its own thread.

Ando
08-10-2010, 03:45 PM
I'm not sure I understand the issue on the Alpha Trooper exactly, but I am curious why it's getting a tepid review.

The more I see the clear N-Strike series, the less I like them. WM had a clear Maverick last year that looked nice, it had smoked plastic I think, but the new one looks boring. It's kinda sad to see all the empty space in these things.

My Raider doesn't have any trouble cocking, it's just the rapid-fire doesn't work for crap, it does 1 or 2 shots then the darts just dribble out and get all mashed up, misfiring against each other.

Stupid Target employees set up the Stampede with the 6-shot clip instead of the 18. :p


Well, it's done, I have finally split this discussion into its own thread.

I actually like the Alpha Trooper blaster. It's a neat little design and the 18 round drum mag is a good fit. I just wish it had a stock, but like I said, the Raider stock and the Shot Blast stock fit right on there (the red SB stock looks a little better with the yellow and grey of the blaster).

Thanks for clarifying the Raider issue.

I know, I saw that display and thought that even though the gun is cool, they should have put the other magazine with it.

Thanks for splitting the thread. As time's gone on, I felt weirder and weirder posting in the Christmas 2009 thread.

JediTricks
08-10-2010, 03:46 PM
I figured it's closer to xmas 2010 now, so it's just confusing. :p

The Raider stock is interchangeable with the Recon and other N-strike stocks, so it should work on the Alpha as well. Is the Alpha pretty small without a stock?

Ando
08-10-2010, 03:57 PM
I figured it's closer to xmas 2010 now, so it's just confusing. :p

The Raider stock is interchangeable with the Recon and other N-strike stocks, so it should work on the Alpha as well. Is the Alpha pretty small without a stock?

Believe it or not, the Recon stock does not fit the Alpha Trooper for some reason. I tried, but the round peg on the back of the AT is just too big to slot into the connector for the Recon stock. It's almost too big for the Shot Blast stock, and just right on the Raider stock.

The Alpha Trooper is roughly the size of the Recon (w/out a stock). It's a pretty handy size. I think it's reasonably priced at $19.99, but at around $14.99, it'd be an even better value.

JediTricks
08-10-2010, 04:09 PM
I'm confused, even with a longer plunger, the Recon stock is hollow and should fit anything. The Raider's stock is long but not THAT long inside, I don't remember it being longer than the midpoint brace on the Recon stock, is that what's happening, it's running into the Recon's midpoint brace?

The size of the Recon without the stock, what about barrel though?

Ando
08-10-2010, 04:18 PM
I'm confused, even with a longer plunger, the Recon stock is hollow and should fit anything. The Raider's stock is long but not THAT long inside, I don't remember it being longer than the midpoint brace on the Recon stock, is that what's happening, it's running into the Recon's midpoint brace?

The size of the Recon without the stock, what about barrel though?

Off the top of my head, I can't accurately recall (I want to say that the Recon is a smidge longer, but maybe that's because the barrell is slender VS the AT barrell which also has the slide/pumping mechanism), so tell you what, I will snap some pics tonight and give a better report in the morning.

I was confused as well about the Recon stock. It did, with a lot of pushing, attach, but it was a pain to take off and I didn't want to break it or the gun.

Ando
08-11-2010, 12:12 PM
Yeah, so I had every intention of taking pictures but I got home, ate dinner, and promptly fell asleep on the couch while watching TV and clutching my Nerf Alpha Trooper blaster.

And apparently my wife took a picture of it.

I will post tomorrow for sure.

JediTricks
08-11-2010, 04:19 PM
These things happen.

LTBasker
08-11-2010, 04:45 PM
So who's getting the tac vest? :D

http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/08/nerf-tactical-vest-set-review.html

Ando
08-11-2010, 04:58 PM
So who's getting the tac vest? :D

http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/08/nerf-tactical-vest-set-review.html

I can't remember where I read this, so I apologize, but one review I read said the following:

"If anyone over the age of 12 wears this, it basically says 'don't worry, Ma'am, I'm from the Internet.'".

I wish I could remember where I read that, cause it was a pretty good laugh.

Having said that, I will probably pass on the vest but I may buy them for my nephews for Christmas.

JediTricks
08-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Yeesh.

I saw at Target yesterday a camo bag for darts with a dozen whistlers, also camo. What could work better than darts you shoot into the grass being the same color as the grass???

Ando
08-11-2010, 05:26 PM
Found it: http://www.aggrogate.com/2010/07/cube-warfare-special-nerfs-york-shindig-stampede-rifle/ (http://www.aggrogate.com/2010/07/cube-warfare-special-nerfs-york-shindig-stampede-rifle/)

JediTricks
08-11-2010, 05:48 PM
That article is from the same event that the videos last month were.

The mace is mentioned there, and I forgot to say that I saw the Nerf Mace last night at Target, and while it's not as long as the swords, it's better than the axe, it's really cool actually.

Ando
08-11-2010, 06:08 PM
That article is from the same event that the videos last month were.

The mace is mentioned there, and I forgot to say that I saw the Nerf Mace last night at Target, and while it's not as long as the swords, it's better than the axe, it's really cool actually.

Yeah, I spaced where I read it.

Ando
08-12-2010, 10:15 AM
Okay, so here is the side by side picture of the Alpha Trooper and Recon blasters.

As you can see, the Recon is longer.

TeeEye7
08-13-2010, 04:14 AM
Yeesh.

I saw at Target yesterday a camo bag for darts with a dozen whistlers, also camo. What could work better than darts you shoot into the grass being the same color as the grass???

Obviously a marketing ploy to entice weak-minded fools to buy, shoot, lose, buy, shoot, lose, buy, shoot, lose Nerf camo darts.

They may be on to something!

Darth Metalmute
08-13-2010, 08:22 AM
I saw the double barreled shotgun at TRU yesterday. I would have picked it up, but I don't like the fact you have to reload after every shot. I know it's realistic, but still.....

Ando
08-18-2010, 01:49 PM
Here's a little something for JediTricks. I found this on a Singapore site:

http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/07/nerf-barricade-rv-10-sneak-peek.html (http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/07/nerf-barricade-rv-10-sneak-peek.html)

JediTricks
08-18-2010, 05:06 PM
Okay, so here is the side by side picture of the Alpha Trooper and Recon blasters.

As you can see, the Recon is longer.

Thanks for the shot. That's not as small as I suspected. The mini-drum is eating up the budget though. The plunger on it must be a mile long though if it doesn't fit on the Recon's skeleton stock.

Can the Alpha take a barrel on the front? My guess is no, but the orange plug almost looks grooved like on the Recon.



Obviously a marketing ploy to entice weak-minded fools to buy, shoot, lose, buy, shoot, lose, buy, shoot, lose Nerf camo darts.

They may be on to something!Yeah, I'm sure it was SOOOO hard for them to find suckers to lose the regular ones. :p



I saw the double barreled shotgun at TRU yesterday. I would have picked it up, but I don't like the fact you have to reload after every shot. I know it's realistic, but still.....Yeah, that's a turnoff for me as well, conceptually it's just not exciting enough to constantly have to reload every time you fire, the $4 gun can do THAT. They could have put an internal or external double-clip system on this, but it wouldn't have carried the breech-loading gimmick.



Here's a little something for JediTricks. I found this on a Singapore site:

http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/07/nerf-barricade-rv-10-sneak-peek.html (http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/07/nerf-barricade-rv-10-sneak-peek.html)
Ha! That's crazy. If they hadn't motorized it, I could understand, but why motorize a revolver? It appears to take the N-strike stocks, and has a rear tactical rail, but I don't think the barrel will accept any others.

Holy crap, it has a safety switch or something!

More pics: http://nerfintelcorp.blogspot.com/2010/07/new-barricade-rv-10-pictures-just.html



Check out this review of the Spectre: http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/08/nerf-spectre-rev-5-review.html
It looks like they got some stuff right, adding barrel-swapping and the cylinder that pops out farther. I still don't agree with the 5-shot cylinder idea though. The folding stock isn't as odd as the packaging makes it look, but I suspect it's very flimsy.

Ando
08-18-2010, 05:14 PM
You're welcome for the pics. Unfortunately, the Alpha Trooper does not have the modular barrel exchange capability like the Longshot, Longstrike, or Recon.

I kinda like the Barricade RV10. And it DOES have a safety just like the Stampede.

LTBasker
08-18-2010, 06:05 PM
The Spectre is kinda cool, but it really doesn't seem like a full concept. It's a little like they wanted to remake the Maverick but not replace it (I assume it still sells well?), so they gave it a really uninspired barrel and a modular stock to pass it off as not-a-pistol. Yet, it just looks like a pistol with a bonus accessory pack.

That said, though, it is a nice looking pistol and the stock, as flimsy as it looks, should look spiffy on any of the modular-stock guns.

I want the shotgun, but I doubt I'd ever use it if I actually had a Nerf war with someone. It's too bulky and the reload process is too long, but looks like fun for shooting at random stuff in my bedroom.

JediTricks
08-27-2010, 05:16 PM
Saw the Barrel Break at TRU the other day. That box has the stink of mediocrity on it. It's a small box and nothing about it is interesting, yet it's $20 just like the Recon but only comes with 1 removable accessory - the tactical rail 8-shot holder.

Watching the video here (http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/07/nerf-barrel-break-ix-2-review.html), the only thing interesting about this gun is that the barrel slides forward before breech-loading.


Saw a set recently with a clear 6-shot clip, that's a good idea.


Looks like the Stampede has 4 separate tac rails. And the bipod is a tac rail item, and the legs do indeed fold into it: http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/08/nerf-stampede-ecs-instruction-manual.html

Ando
08-27-2010, 06:34 PM
Saw the Barrel Break at TRU the other day. That box has the stink of mediocrity on it. It's a small box and nothing about it is interesting, yet it's $20 just like the Recon but only comes with 1 removable accessory - the tactical rail 8-shot holder.

Watching the video here (http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/07/nerf-barrel-break-ix-2-review.html), the only thing interesting about this gun is that the barrel slides forward before breech-loading.


Saw a set recently with a clear 6-shot clip, that's a good idea.


Looks like the Stampede has 4 separate tac rails. And the bipod is a tac rail item, and the legs do indeed fold into it: http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2010/08/nerf-stampede-ecs-instruction-manual.html

The Barrel Break just looked "too little, too late" to me.

It's kind of a neat idea, but it's hard to get excited about it when the Alpha Trooper and Raider have large capacity magazines and slam fire/semi auto fire modes and the Stampede ECS-50 fully automatic blaster is only a couple weeks away (I CAN'T WAIT!!!).

Speaking of the Stampede, when I looked at the display at Target last night, I counted 6 total tactical rails (1 on the top/handle, 1 slightly below it on the barrel, 1 on each side of the barrel, 1 on the bottom of the barrel where the gripod is attached in this picture here (http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/07/lo-the-nerf-stampede/), and one of the bottom of the very end of the barrel).

I want to take advantage of the rails on this and make some sort of secondary blaster attachment like we were talking about months back like a grenade launcher of sorts.

This exclusive (http://www.toysrus.com/product/prodpop.jsp?LargeImageURL=http%3A//TRUS.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-2895337dt.jpg&displayTab=enh&productId=2326183&totCount=0) at TRU actually has a female rail attachment on the side (where the small blaster is attached) that could easily slide onto the left side of the Stampede, but I'd like to see something more slimmed down that could go on the bottom rail.

Just my musings for the day. I really can't wait to get my hand on the Stampede.

JT: Have you checked out the Alpha Trooper yet, or are you waiting for it to clearance out?

Ando
09-02-2010, 04:05 PM
Stampede!

On a whim, I decided to head to TRU at lunch time. I walked straight to the Nerf section (walking right past the SW aisle) and found the Stampede. I grabbed two of the ($55.00 each) and headed up to the counter (after I grabbed 12 each D cell batteries).

I opened one up in the parking lot to check it out and raced back to my office to get a Phillips head screw driver and load the batteries.

It's LOUD! And fast. I only fired it off in my pickup truck cab as not to draw attention to myself, but as soon as my employees leave, I will take it into the warehouse and test the range.

The riot shield is kinda stupid, but I think those will make their way into the nephews' Christmas gifts (if they fit on the Alpha Trooper blasters that their getting).

The bipod/gripod is kinda cool. I probably won't use it, but it is cool.

We're going to the beach with my in-laws next weekend, so these will definitely be coming with us. I am going to try to adapt my cheapo night vision monocular so it can attach to the rail using the flip up sight that came with my Recon.

I will post pictures if/when that happens.

So excited to have this! Can't wait to test it out later tonight!

JediTricks
09-02-2010, 09:32 PM
Nice find, a week early! How loud is loud though?

TRU is having a special today, free bag of extra darts up to $5.99 with any clear Nerf N-strike blaster over $19.

Also, Friday through Monday, TRU is having the N-Force swords and axes on sale 25% off, specifically the
"NERF N-Force Warlock Axe, N-Force Mace Blaster or N-Force Marauder Long Sword"

Ando
09-03-2010, 10:12 AM
Nice find, a week early! How loud is loud though?

I just had a feeling I'd see it yesterday at the TRU by my office. Not sure why, just did.

I thought about this question "how loud is loud?" last night, trying to figure out how best to describe it.

It's almost like a very small air pump for a rubber raft that you'd plug into your car's 12v socket. Without the constant "hum". It's like a ratcheting, pumping noise, with a bit of a high pitched whine to it.

It's not a constant noise, only when you have your finger on the trigger. Other than that, I honestly don't know how to really completely quantify the noise it makes.

Overall, after playing with it here in the office for a few minutes last night after I shooed everyone out, and at home while shooting it at my wife (who played with it as well and fired back at me), I really like it.

It's a lot of fun to plug in the 35 round drum magazine and just UNLOAD it! The range isn't great, and neither is the accuracy (but I still hit my intended targets) but this is a toy gun, so it's HELLAFUN to just let the darts fly.

The only thing I don't like is the weight of the (6) D cells in the butt of the gun, but all that juice makes it go (there's no way to fire the gun without batteries, unlike the Vulcan with has a manual cocking mechanism).

I think I will look for some battery adapters over the weekend and that should reduce some weight.

One thing I really like is that you can change magazines when you're not firing it. The blaster cycles all the way through when you pull the trigger, so unlike the hand pump blasters, you don't have to **** it halfway or do anything special to remove or insert a fresh mag.

With 6 tac rails, the modification/customization combinations are endless and the gripod/bipod is pretty cool, although mostly just as a forward grip and not as a bipod.

To me, well worth the $55.00 (plus whatever you have to pay for batteries).

JediTricks
09-03-2010, 03:35 PM
So it's just that it's a constant din while firing, it's not especially loud in a single shot?

Not great to hear the accuracy and distance are weak, but the gimmick sounds like it makes up for it. How long does it take you to go through the 35 shot drum mag? I'm guessing it hasn't jammed up on you, I know it has the unjam door but it sounds like it doesn't need it.

6 D-cells is 9v, so you could clip a 9 volt battery to the terminal leads if you want to reduce weight, but keep in mind that D-cells carry a mountain of energy storage where a smaller, lighter system will have less, so the D-cells ran it solid for 6 hours, a 9 volt battery might only run it for 1 hour or less.

Ando
09-03-2010, 04:21 PM
So it's just that it's a constant din while firing, it's not especially loud in a single shot?

Not great to hear the accuracy and distance are weak, but the gimmick sounds like it makes up for it. How long does it take you to go through the 35 shot drum mag? I'm guessing it hasn't jammed up on you, I know it has the unjam door but it sounds like it doesn't need it.

6 D-cells is 9v, so you could clip a 9 volt battery to the terminal leads if you want to reduce weight, but keep in mind that D-cells carry a mountain of energy storage where a smaller, lighter system will have less, so the D-cells ran it solid for 6 hours, a 9 volt battery might only run it for 1 hour or less.

Boy, I really wish I could describe it better! It's hard to describe it without something really close to compare it to. It's not a constant din while firing, but there is a noticable increase in noise as it fires and then decrease as it cycles back through. Let me put it this way, I didn't want to play with it after 9 pm last night, as I didn't want to run the risk of disturbing the neighbors.

I had a couple jams last night, but all I had to do was wiggle the magazine or remove it. I unloaded a few magazines a few times before I ever had a problem, and you're right, the gimmick (IMO) more than makes up for any short comings. Range isn't horrible, especially for kids playing with it, but it could always be better.

I think the 35 round drum magazine takes about 20 seconds to unload, maybe? I will have to time it this weekend and report back. The 18 round magazine goes REALLY fast, and this gun is definitely going to be a game changer for kids that have Nerf wars. The Vulcan was definitely made for stationary play, but the Stampede is like a SAW and very mobile for Nerf wars.

Good point on the D cell batteries, thanks for the tip.

Overall, if you like shooting foam darts at people or stationary objects (the Iron Man figures on my bookshelf make GREAT targets), this is a good purchase... If you have some gift cards or rewards dollars to put towards it, it's an even better buy, especially if you already have a drum magazine. I think the drum magazines (both the Raider's 35 rd and the Alpha Trooper's 18 rd) look much sharper on this than the 18 round clips that came with it. I have yet to load up the two that I bought with both 35 round mags and see what happens (and how cool I look and feel) while shooting both.

I will take pics this weekend with the different magazine and attachment combinations and post pics on Tuesday along with my somewhat sketchy time tests on how long it takes to fire off the 35 round drum magazine.

Darth Metalmute
09-03-2010, 05:49 PM
Went to check if they had the Stampede at my TRU. They had four. Problem was they were still on the truck. They told me to come back on Sunday. Probably a good thing since I just got a 5 dollar off coupon in my email.

Ando
09-03-2010, 06:04 PM
I should have had about $15.00 in TRU rewards dollars by now. I spent a lot during the spring and summer.

Hopefully they will show up soon.

Darth Metalmute
09-04-2010, 09:02 PM
I found it at Walmart today for 5 dollars less (49.95). Took it to the register and it came up "Not allowed to sell". She said it had a recall notice. I told her that it was new this month. She said there was nothing she could do. My son was not happy.

Ando
09-05-2010, 08:31 PM
Man, that's so lame! I feel bummed for you and your son! You and he will love it.

Another win for TRU (IMO).

Darth Metalmute
09-05-2010, 08:59 PM
They finally unloaded the truck at TRU and I was able to pick one up. We spent about an hour shooting the couch with it.

The gun by itself is awesome. You empty a 18 dart clip really quick. I'm not to fond of the extras. The screen is to small and cheep looking and blocks the scope. The tripod/handle is nice, but with the 18 dart clip, it only extends beyond it an inch.

We are taking it outside to check the range and accuracy tomorrow.

JediTricks
09-06-2010, 03:47 PM
My TRU had a few of them on Saturday, but they put them waaaaaay up high on a top shelf so all I could see was the side of the box.

Ando
09-07-2010, 12:03 PM
So on Sunday, my wife and I had a couple of our friends over for dinner. I've known these gals since HS (they're sisters) and they're in their mid/late thirties.

We missed one of their birthdays in the spring, so I got her a Nerf Alpha Trooper blaster not as a joke, but just because they're a whole bunch of fun. When our friend Ann opened it up, she made a "what the heck?" face, but I told her to just try it out, you'll love it.

A couple of Nerf shots to my person, she was hooked. Then I broke out the Stampedes, and in our 600 sq. ft. apartment, a Nerf battle broke out.

I take back what I said about the blast/riot shields.

As stupid and useless as they look, those suckers came in handy. Especially when you have two women (My wife just sat and watched the stupidity unfold) aiming at your head. See the picture below for an action shot of me using the shield and bipod. There are two closets on either side of me, so I was able to open each of the doors to create a wall with enough of a gap to shoot from.

I think it lasted for an hour to an hour and a half. We spent about 75% of the time just reloading magazines!

It was a BLAST! I can't wait til I can do that again with my wife and brother in law this weekend when we go to the coast on Thursday night.

I timed the Stampede with the 18 round magazines, and it unloads in about 10-15 seconds.

Darth Metalmute
09-07-2010, 12:35 PM
How well does the clip work with the drum magazine? My son immediately wanted to put on the Raider's Drum, but a note in the instructions said to only use the straight ones, so I wouldn't let him.

Ando
09-07-2010, 12:47 PM
How well does the clip work with the drum magazine? My son immediately wanted to put on the Raider's Drum, but a note in the instructions said to only use the straight ones, so I wouldn't let him.

Did you mean to say "How well does the Stampede work with the drum magazine?"?

It works just fine! (It really says that?!? I threw the instructions out.)

I have had a couple misfires (not jams), but nothing that can't be remedied by releasing the magazine, adjusting the dart, and then reloading. But out of the HUNDREDS of darts fired off since I bought them, it's happened maybe 4-6 times, mostly when just running magazine after magazine during heavy firing like the Nerf battle we had on Sunday night.

You shouldn't have a problem with it. It fits in there just fine (as all Clip System parts and pieces do) and with the high rate of fire, the 35 round drum mag is optimal for the Stampede.

JediTricks
09-07-2010, 02:08 PM
Sounds like a blast! I finally saw the Stampede box on a shelf I could reach. It's a big box, and I was surprised they ran out of things to say and left the bottom blank. :p

Darth Metalmute
09-07-2010, 02:23 PM
Yep, thats what I meant. I was looking forward to adding the drum until I saw that note. I couldn't understand why, but then I remembered reading something about it not fitting on it well.

That will give me something to do after work.

JediTricks
09-07-2010, 02:47 PM
That's so weird, the drum mags work exactly the same as the clips as far as the blasters themselves are concerned. Perhaps it's due to the strength of the springs, the drum is a controlled, slightly slower load because it uses a different spring system, but it seems unlikely to be a solid reason since it's more consistent than the straight clip method.

Ando
09-07-2010, 03:12 PM
It was a LOT of fun! I just wish our place was bigger for that sort of thing.

I have a feeling Christmas Eve at my parents house is going to be NUTS when the littleuns open up their blasters that my wife and I got them.

Seriously, the drum magazines fit just fine. It may be a feeder/spring issue like JT mentioned, but I've yet to have any serious issues with either of mine other than a handful of misfires.

And as for range/accuracy issues, the Stampede more than makes up for any of that with sheer rate of fire and volume.

They're just plain fun.

Ando
09-08-2010, 04:57 PM
My son immediately wanted to put on the Raider's Drum, but a note in the instructions said to only use the straight ones, so I wouldn't let him.

DM, I happened to find the instructions for the Stampede last night and I was curious to see why'd they say not to use the drum mag.

I am looking at the instructions right now but all I can find is a note in the "Loading Ammo" section saying to only use CLIP SYSTEM DARTS with this blaster.

Is it possible you misinterpreted that to mean only use the clips included?

The drum magazines also use the CLIP SYSTEM darts and therefore are good to go.

Have you tried the drum magazine with it yet? Verdict? Are you and your son having as much fun as I have had with it?

Darth Metalmute
09-09-2010, 07:17 AM
I'll double check my instructions, but I thought it said something like use only clips in this product.

I haven't seen the gun since I gave it to my son. It did, however, wake me up twice this week. The thump, thump, thump, on my sons wall above me echos.

Ando
09-09-2010, 10:28 AM
I'll double check my instructions, but I thought it said something like use only clips in this product.

I haven't seen the gun since I gave it to my son. It did, however, wake me up twice this week. The thump, thump, thump, on my sons wall above me echos.

That's hilarious! So I take it he really likes it? How old is he?

My wife and I are going to the Oregon coast tonight to spend the weekend with her folks and one of her younger brothers. I am packing along our Nerf guns (including both Stampedes) and all of the darts and magazines I/we own.

I spent some time last night loading up all the magazines so that they're ready. Plus I bought some more darts and batteries last night.

I was tempted to buy a 3rd Raider just to get another drum magazine since Fred Meyer had a 20% off all Nerf sale going on, plus there was a 10% bonus coupon in Sunday's paper, making the Raider $25.00, but I passed. I will probably get another one at some point when they go on sale again, maybe after Christmas.

I just hope the repetitive sound of the Stampede's firing doesn't annoy my father in law. He'll either hate it or be amused like my old man was when he and Mom stopped by the other night and I showed it to him and he pointed it at me at didn't stop firing until it was empty. I swear, these Nerf guns bring out the kid in everyone! Hopefully my father in law will love it, too.

Darth Metalmute
09-09-2010, 10:52 AM
He's ten and he has spent his week either doing homework, or shooting it out in the yard. I went to mow and I found about 10 darts (one after the mower got it).

If you have a Kmart near you, they had both the Raider and the Longshot for 19.99 in the clearance section.

In the thinkgeek catolog, they have a holster that will hold the mavrick. I might have to pick that up for my mavrick.

Ando
09-09-2010, 10:54 AM
He's ten and he has spent his week either doing homework, or shooting it out in the yard. I went to mow and I found about 10 darts (one after the mower got it).

If you have a Kmart near you, they had both the Raider and the Longshot for 19.99 in the clearance section.

In the thinkgeek catolog, they have a holster that will hold the mavrick. I might have to pick that up for my mavrick.

I do have a K Mart near me, but I won't be able to check it out until Sunday. But thanks for the tip.

I will check out the holster, too.

JediTricks
09-13-2010, 03:40 PM
Amazon has the Raider with bonus drum EDIT: 35 darts for $31.40 with free shipping right now. ToysRus.com has the Barrel Break on sale for $15 with a free bag of darts.


I received the Stampede yesterday as a belated birthday present. I wasn't expecting the sharp "zip!" sound from each shot. It's quite heavy thanks to those 6 D-cells, heavier than I was expecting really. The advantage of its heft is my sister and niece won't be able to lift it for very long, which means I won't be bugged about using it the most. :p

The extended clips are pretty cool, though honestly they're so long that I almost feel like they need to sell a 12-shot clip just to make a nicer-looking clip. The clips work in the Raider and Recon fine, and have notches for ammo count, though finding orange darts in an orange clip is a tad difficult. I already took the "18 max!" yellow stickers off, they're not applied neatly and it says it in black text on the other side.

It fires in an unusual manner, one I wasn't expecting, a trigger pull doesn't fire a dart, it starts a process which fires a dart. For single-shot action it's a bit disconcerting. However, for rapid fire it's dandy. I saw 1 dart come out wonky last night, like any rapid firing produces on my Raider (which I've decided after this Friday I'm going to have Hasbro CS replace). The Stampede works fantastically with the drum mag, but I think the misfire I witnessed last night (it dribbled out, then kept firing normally) was due to an old dart in the drum mag. The new darts are a nicer quality and firmer than the old ones, probably because they'll get worked over harder in the Stampede. Running it empty, the gun sometimes treats it like a jam, opening the access door and then dry-firing once more when it's closed. The clip release trigger requires a bit more travel than I was expecting, often ending up 2-handed, but it's a small price to pay.

I haven't yet geared up the Stampede yet beyond its shield and grip/bipod. The grip/bipod is fun as hell, good design, for attachment it works fine in the lowest rail, but the drum gets in the way of right-handed gripping that way, so moving the grip up to the rail under the barrel makes that work (or just going lefty). The shield in intended position indeed blocks the nifty built-in sight, but if you move the shield to the top rail it still works and doesn't block the sight. The shield works on the Recon on the barrel (leaving it on the slide would be annoying to use), and works on the Recon at the very back. I suspect my standard system for the Stampede will be drum mag, tac light on the side, grip on the bottom, and ladder sight on the top. I'm finally regretting not getting the red-dot and scope when I saw them on clearance in January.

My arsenal now looks like this:
Maverick
Recon
Raider
Stampede

I plan on bringing them over to my sister's place on Friday, she wants to check them out and have a nerf war. I doubt my niece knows where the Maverick I bought her a few years ago is. With the extended clips, I now have a nice balance for all the larger blasters:

- Raider - 2 extended clips (2x 18)
- Stampede - drum (1x 36)
- Recon - 1 extended clip, 2 standard clips, 1 Maverick (1x 18, 2x 6-shot clips, 1x 6-shot handgun)

that way, everybody gets 36 shots. I have no idea if there will be interest in the shield, I suspect perhaps my niece will think it's a good idea. I doubt the tactical light or ladder sight will be of any use, I'll bring them for a goof mainly. I bet both stocks will get used.

Anyway, the Stampede is quite cool, quite heavy, and the extended clips are most welcome. Heck, I'm actually glad it came with 1 6-shot clip, now I finally have a second one to put into the Recon's stock.

Ando
09-13-2010, 05:03 PM
Nice birthday gift! Glad you like it! Question: Would you have paid $50.00 or $55.00 for it?

My wife's mom and dad rented a cabin at the coast this past weekend and invited my wife and I (and my youngest brother in law) to come down.

The 5 of us had a HUGE Nerf fight on Friday morning and had a blast. I bought my brother in law a Nerf Alpha Trooper to use and keep and he LOVED it.

It was great fun watching my father in law rocking the Stampede and my mother in law using a Raider.

A good time was had by all.

Thanks for the tip about the Raider with a bonus drum. I may have to order that.

I picked up a Longstrike CS-6 yesterday. It was on sale for $18.99 at Fred Meyer and a 10% off bonus coupon brought it down to $17.09!

JediTricks
09-13-2010, 06:09 PM
BTW, the Raider looks wild with the 18-ECS instead of a 6-clip or the drum. It's like a Sten gun from WWII, a long straight clip out the side.


Nice birthday gift! Glad you like it! Question: Would you have paid $50.00 or $55.00 for it?Good question, I've been thinking about that a lot. Right now, I'm on the fence, it's a cool blaster and it's big and it does what it's supposed to, but I feel like it's $10 too much for what one gets in the box. That said, it has performed well, it has complex internal mechanisms, and the multiple clips and grip attachment are welcome elements.


My wife's mom and dad rented a cabin at the coast this past weekend and invited my wife and I (and my youngest brother in law) to come down.

The 5 of us had a HUGE Nerf fight on Friday morning and had a blast. I bought my brother in law a Nerf Alpha Trooper to use and keep and he LOVED it.

It was great fun watching my father in law rocking the Stampede and my mother in law using a Raider.

A good time was had by all.Killer! I'm considering getting the Alpha Trooper just so my dad will have something to shoot on Friday, apparently he's joining us.


Thanks for the tip about the Raider with a bonus drum. I may have to order that.Sure thing. I'm thinking about it too, that drum is quite tempting. I'm going to wait and see how it goes with my family before doing it though.


I picked up a Longstrike CS-6 yesterday. It was on sale for $18.99 at Fred Meyer and a 10% off bonus coupon brought it down to $17.09!Nice get. How is it?

JediTricks
09-13-2010, 08:48 PM
Well, I had a little fun setting up the configurations on it and the others a little while ago. I found out a few things:

- The Recon's barrel neuters its range and accuracy, with it removed it's a killer.
- The Raider's barrel DOESN'T seem to neuter its range or accuracy, single-shot it's pretty decent.
- My Raider does just as horribly with the 18-ECS as normal clips and the drum in rapid fire.
- The drum jams a little in the Stampede, but most of the time it clears them itself. The drum's loading isn't always fast enough for the Stampede, so I'll get misfires simply from a round not chambering.
- The Stampede stops firing when a clip is empty, but not when the drum is empty.
- The Stampede's range and accuracy are pretty mediocre.
- The Stampede's tactical rails aren't all set up to stop in the same place.
- Cleaning up 90 darts is really, REALLY boring. :p

I do feel like the Stampede is nifty, but its MSRP of $60 is insanely overpriced, and even at $50 it's a bit steep. It's fun and it's impressive, but even with the included 60 shots the fun is over pretty quickly.

LTBasker
09-13-2010, 09:49 PM
Amazon has the Raider with bonus drum for $31.40 with free shipping right now. ToysRus.com has the Barrel Break on sale for $15 with a free bag of darts.

Ooh, tantalizing...

Edit: Oh, I think that Raider deal only comes with 35 extra darts. Even though it has a spare drum mag in the promo picture, the packaged pic doesn't have it. The only ones on Amazon that show the extra drum mag in the packaging are around $100. Wish HTS would get in more of them.



- The Stampede stops firing when a clip is empty, but not when the drum is empty.

Have you tried a normal 6 shot magazine? There might be a part on the long magazines that comes into play once the last dart is fired, kinda like real magazines have the bit that interacts with slide lock/release levers.



- The Stampede's range and accuracy are pretty mediocre.

Spray & pray, buddy.

JediTricks
09-13-2010, 10:27 PM
Ooh, tantalizing...

Edit: Oh, I think that Raider deal only comes with 35 extra darts. Even though it has a spare drum mag in the promo picture, the packaged pic doesn't have it. The only ones on Amazon that show the extra drum mag in the packaging are around $100. Wish HTS would get in more of them.You are correct, they show a second drum in the loose pic. I will write to Amazon, that's not right what they have there. I suggest all amazon customers do the same, there's a link to report problems with images right on the page, or click here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/gfix/imageCorrection.html/ref=idq_product_details?ie=UTF8&storeID=toys-and-games&ASIN=B002VEC8X0&merchantID=ATVPDKIKX0DER


Have you tried a normal 6 shot magazine? There might be a part on the long magazines that comes into play once the last dart is fired, kinda like real magazines have the bit that interacts with slide lock/release levers.Yes I have. The Stampede comes with a 6-shot mag, it stopped firing halfway through the shot after the last dart, which causes the access door to dislodge (thus shutting off the green "ready to go" panel). My guess is the plate which pushes the darts up is what's different, since that's the big difference in design between the drum and clip mags. It takes 3 to 5 dry shots with the drum for the Stampede to realize it's out.


Spray & pray, buddy.It's a shock & awe weapon, which wears off quickly when you A) run out of darts fairly soon; and B) collect said darts from all over the 15 feet range ahead of you as your enemy is still shooting you from 30 feet away. ;)

LTBasker
09-13-2010, 11:28 PM
Sorry, I should have said: charge @ prey & spray & pray! :p

Ando
09-14-2010, 11:47 AM
For the price I paid, I like the Longstrike.

When you add the bipod from the Stampede to the Longstrike along with the scope from the TRU exclusive blaster set (the blaster's lame but the scope and the red light with rail attachment is cool), it looks like a proper sniper rifle.

Distance is average (eventually I am going to try modding the range with the instructions I keep finding online). Accuracy depends on the condition of the dart (which I am finding is the case the more I play with these).

Bummer about the fake bonus drum Raider set on Amazon.

I hope Hasbro/Nerf decides to release the 35 round drum magazine in some sort of cool accessory pack someday. Even the 18 round drum instead. It'd be nice to pick up some extras since it truly is a boring chore to have to pick up all your darts when you're out and people are STILL shooting at you.

The 2 Nerf fights I've had since getting the Stampedes have been around an hour to an hour and a half, mostly because 75% of the time is spent picking up darts and reloading.

But they are still a blast and my little 5 year old nephew is coming over Friday to spend the night, so I am going to venture a guess that we will be building couch forts and shooting Nerf darts at each other!

JediTricks
09-14-2010, 06:21 PM
Have you had much trouble with explaining how to load and **** and unjam these to your friends and loved ones? I am concerned about that aspect. :p

Ando
09-15-2010, 01:00 PM
Have you had much trouble with explaining how to load and **** and unjam these to your friends and loved ones? I am concerned about that aspect. :p

My mother in law had a little trouble with the Raider when she first picked it up, but she soon got the hang of it.

Hey, quick question... Do you (JT) know if Hasbro does Q+A's with the Nerf team?

JediTricks
09-15-2010, 05:07 PM
My mother in law had a little trouble with the Raider when she first picked it up, but she soon got the hang of it.Ok, good to know, thanks.


Hey, quick question... Do you (JT) know if Hasbro does Q+A's with the Nerf team?They don't. Perhaps I will ask Hasbro about doing one though, I guess with ActionFigs.com since there's no reason to do one with a Star Wars site. I'll have to discuss it with Steve first though.


Anyway, I picked up the Alpha Trooper last night at Target. It's a bit small out of the box, and the mini-drum mag is "cute" at first blush, if it were $15 it'd be perfect but at $20 it at first looks a bit light (though its value isn't found in its size, more on that later). My hands are a medium male size according to glove manufacturing, the Alpha grip feels a little small but not obnoxiously so, the forward slide though feels pretty darn small, luckily that lip it has makes it more grippable. That said, as a righty, I find my left hand eventually falls into a position that hits the drum magazine against my forearm, and in rapid fire causes a little skin irritation.

The mini-drum mag works a bit differently from the original drum on the inside, but externally it operates just as well - actually, a little better, it's more responsive on the spring, since I think this spring is called from the top rather than pushed from the bottom. The drum itself holds 18 darts officially, but has room for an extra 1.5 , I plan on putting an extra dart in there which will still leave that 0.5 dart space at the end like I do with the big drum (the big drum mag has space for 2.5 extras). The blaster itself holds an extra dart in the grip, and unlike the Recon's grip which does that, this one is designed for the shorter darts so there's no getting them trapped inside. I generally leave the clips in the blasters which requires firing the first shot, so I leave that fired dart in the grip to stay with the clip.

The darts I got with this are sloppier than the recent Stampede ones, a few with glue issues and a few that are angled funny at the tip. The letter on the heads are "T" if anybody cares about which tooling these were molded in (I think they're blow-molded). They're still the shorter darts, I guess the longer darts are out now. I am thinking about carving down these clip darts to have fins on the back instead of a tube, but it'll need a good portion of the tube remaining for integrity, so the fins may not pan out at all.

The Alpha is a big surprise in person. Despite being a bit petite, it's a damn good blaster. Single shot is fairly accurate (gonna have to add the ladder sight to this one though, its sights are the tac rail and a VERY small nub at the front) and has quite nice power behind it. It's got a muffled sound to it, surprisingly quiet and almost stealthy in both cocking and firing. The amount of muffling it has on the shot suggests that the retarding in the plunger system is extreme, and customizing that retarding off of it will create an exceptionally effective blaster, limited only by the dart itself. The slide is generally fine, I had a couple issues where it just didn't want to finish up its travel in single shot, but overall it behaved.

Slam fire is where this thing shines, if the Raider is as good as this, then I definitely have been missing out with my defective Raider! Slam fire on the Alpha is perfect so far, no misfires, no jams, and it takes whatever speed you can give it. Its slam-fire range and firing speed are superior to the 150% more expensive Stampede. The slide seems awkward, but being all around the barrel, it actually is smoother and more controlled than expected.

In terms of styling, it's not so bad, the "vents" above the permanent barrel definitely add some charm to this sucker, and it has decent sculpted details. Paint is standard, I kinda want to see them mix it up a little but this is ok on this unit. There's some silver and they put black lettering on the title which looks good. There is 1 tac rail behind the access door above the grip, it works fine, and it's the only place it could use one, so it's this or nothing. The ladder sight works ok there, it's pretty far back but better than nothing. I think maybe the red-dot would have worked better here, but I don't have it. The Stampede's shield fits here, but goes EXACTLY over the trigger so your fingers are going to bump into the inside edge of the shield often (there's about 1 cm of clearance around my hand with it there). The rear of the gun has the N-Strike stock attachment area, and as described, it doesn't work so well with the Recon stock - the Alpha's square box is more tapered than the Recon can handle (it's tapered, just not as much) - but the Recon's stock is too skeletal for this gun anyway I think, it has more lateral movement from the design. Luckily, the Raider's stock works fine with the Alpha, and it sorta needs it really, the Alpha's small size coupled with slam-fire calls for shoulder bracing. The front of the gun is fairly plain, and the barrel tip looks like it was designed for the N-Strike modular barrel extension system (hence the flat, detail-free face around the barrel) but was scuttled at the last moment.

Overall, the Alpha Trooper is better than expected. Although somewhat simple and small, with less modularity than I've come to enjoy from N-Strike blasters, it handles well and shoots nicely. The small drum is just what the doctor ordered for quick slam-fire fun, and it handles that slam-fire action with ease. Hasbro should probably release this to mass retail, it'd be as much a hit as the Maverick has been despite being a higher pricepoint and coming from different design philosophies.

Ando
09-15-2010, 05:37 PM
Sounds like you like it!

I was definitely surprised by home much I like the Alpha Trooper. So much so that besides not having a shoulder stock, my only other complaint is that I don't need to buy another one.

We have *however* been buying these up as gifts for people and I have given them to 6 people (including 2 that will be Christmas presents for my nephew and a family friend).

We will be picking up another one in the next week or two for another birthday (the wife of a friend who got one from us already).

Part of me wants to load up on these just to have them for future gifts because it really is a great starter blaster that has it all (or close to it); High capacity magazine + slam fire mode.

JediTricks
09-15-2010, 06:36 PM
Sounds like you like it! Yes, definitely a good surprise. I haven't tried it with the big drum mag, but I am curious how that'll be. I suspect that will have to be fired left-handed though.

Oh, and it's inspired me to ask Hasbro to replace my Raider, I just emailed them a few minutes ago.


I was definitely surprised by home much I like the Alpha Trooper. So much so that besides not having a shoulder stock, my only other complaint is that I don't need to buy another one.

We have *however* been buying these up as gifts for people and I have given them to 6 people (including 2 that will be Christmas presents for my nephew and a family friend).

We will be picking up another one in the next week or two for another birthday (the wife of a friend who got one from us already).

Part of me wants to load up on these just to have them for future gifts because it really is a great starter blaster that has it all (or close to it); High capacity magazine + slam fire mode.Yeah, totally a good thought. I suspect if my sister or niece digs it enough, I'll give them one, but I don't think my mom or grandparents will be into it, and I don't know anybody else who might be. I do think Hasbro could offer it with a stock and a tac-rail sight or red-dot and sell it mass-market at $25 and it'd own the market.

So funny, there were 3 exclusive blasters this season, and 2 of them are various levels of meh while the other worked out great.

In a small way it bums me out though, because the Alpha really does spell the end of single-shot designs like the Recon.

Ando
09-15-2010, 06:45 PM
I do think Hasbro could offer it with a stock and a tac-rail sight or red-dot and sell it mass-market at $25 and it'd own the market.

So funny, there were 3 exclusive blasters this season, and 2 of them are various levels of meh while the other worked out great.

In a small way it bums me out though, because the Alpha really does spell the end of single-shot designs like the Recon.

I knew in July when I saw the 3 exclusive blasters that the only one I'd bother with would be the AT at Target.

I totally agree. I would rebuy if they repacked the Alpha Trooper with a stock and some other accessories.

I know you and I differ on the Recon. It looks cool, and the modularity is cool, but the Alpha Trooper in terms of capacity and rate of fire is everything I would want in the Recon.

It would be nice to see more blasters in the future the high points from both types of blasters, modularity+high capacity/high rate of fire.

JediTricks
09-21-2010, 08:25 PM
The Alpha Trooper was a huge hit, my sister loved the rapid fire gun, and my niece liked most of the other guns. The darts sting a little, didn't realize. They wanted to get into the Stampede, but it was just so awkward with the size and weight. They want me to bring over the arsenal again, I'll leave out the Maverick as its action is dying with age, and probably the Recon since single-shot fun was dead to them, though it might make a nice backup handgun since the Maverick is getting retired. The Stampede's shield worked nicely, the grip worked well too (never got to use the bipod), the stock on the Alpha Trooper didn't really seem to matter, the Raider fared ok but with its rapid-fire dead, it was really not thrilling - I suspect next time, I'll end up using it (unless Hasbro gets the replacement to me before that, they are sending a replacement). The drum mags worked great, my niece had a problem with the Alpha dropping the 18-shot ECS clip though, that was really odd. We lost 4 darts, not too bad in the scheme of things. They NEED to sell those mini-drums or ECS clips though. My sister felt that their home needed 2 nerf guns. :D

In terms of jams, the Stampede had a few jams that got pretty dire, I think all were with the 35-shot drum. The Raider had 1 jam that caused my sister to just abandon it with shots still in the clip. My niece had a few jams, but her trouble was mainly with the slide on the Alpha and how it pertained to the clip. There were a lot of moments where we thought stuff was jammed that turned out to be merely dry - the darts dwindle pretty fast. My niece the first time around grabbed the Maverick exactly as I hoped it'd work out, but the slide action being worn down was a letdown. If she had grabbed the unencumbered Recon it would have worked well.


Oh, and I saw the single-shot IX-1 for $6 at Kmart the other day. These are the slide-action N-strike blasters that are no longer than a grip and trigger, they have a short top tac-rail, and until now they've been sold only in multipacks at TRU. If they had an adapter to marry the tac-rail to the Stampede or Recon, that would be SO rad, then you'd have a bonus shot weapon. Packaging claims it'll shoot 36 feet, which is more than any other I think, kind of bold to make the smallest gun the best distance.

Ando
09-22-2010, 10:19 AM
Sounds like you all had a AWESOME time!

I agree, I wish they'd sell those mini drums and 18 round clips separately.

I will have to get to K-Mart to check out the IX-1. My wife and I have been toying with the idea of getting that multipack at TRU, but just haven't done it yet, even though it'd be lots of fun for a party.

Darth Metalmute
09-22-2010, 11:05 AM
The IX-1 is the gun that comes with the dart board or the six-pack right?

That is a great little gun considering it is a one-shot weapon. It feels good in your hand, easy to load and arm, and is pretty accurate considering it's size. I wouldn't say it shots 36 feet though. I'm going to have to check out K-Mart now that its in singles. My son has two of them but I need one for my daughter. He has clipped three of those tac-rail accessories to the top of it.

JediTricks
09-23-2010, 03:31 PM
"Reflex IX-1" here's how it looks single-carded: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HNR93242
Notice that it's rattan-banded to the card, I tried REAL hard to get it cocked in the store, but no go.

Glad to hear you dig it, DM, I'll have to track it down again and buy one. Big Lots apparently has had them in recent months for $5.


So it turns out the Stampede is notorious for jamming only with the 35-shot drum mag and nothing else. That's a little frustrating.

El Chuxter
09-23-2010, 04:03 PM
I avoid Nerf products, ever since I got into a run-in with a nerf herder a few years ago.

Ando
09-23-2010, 04:06 PM
"Reflex IX-1" here's how it looks single-carded: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HNR93242
Notice that it's rattan-banded to the card, I tried REAL hard to get it cocked in the store, but no go.

So it turns out the Stampede is notorious for jamming only with the 35-shot drum mag and nothing else. That's a little frustrating.

Truly a bummer since the Stampede seems like it was almost made to utilize that big drum magazines 35 round capacity.

Hopefully they'll develop an add on accessory in the near future with a similar capacity.

JediTricks
09-23-2010, 10:25 PM
You could always use the flip-clip on a couple ECSs. ;)

Hasbro was so nice about my Raider, they sent out a new one right away, and it already arrived. I'm going to go check it out right now, hopefully it works.

JediTricks
09-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Hasbro sent me the replacement Raider in the original factory shipping case (the kind retailers receive), inside it was 1 standard retail-boxed Raider and the second box had been removed leaving only a cardboard separator. And nothing else. It looks like Hasbro is letting me keep the semi-functional Raider along with its perfectly lovely drum magazine! That is fabulous, go Hasbro!

I set up the new Raider and sure enough, it works perfectly every time in slam-fire. It's not firing as straight as the Alpha Trooper rapid-firing, but it's firing them pretty much as well as the Stampede. No jams. The action is notably stiffer than my first Raider, even the jam door is stiffer, yet the stock and drum aren't fully screwed together, there's a little wiggle in each I'll have to tighten up. The drum's action was really tight and wonky inserting the first 3 darts, then smoothed right up, as good as my original drum.

To distinguish it from the no-slamfire one, I put the sticker warning about putting the adapter on before using under the adapter. I'll probably end up putting that on the old one instead once I get all the Nerf out of the bag.

Now I have:
2x 6-shot clips
3x 18-shot extended clips
1x 18-shot mini drum magazine
2x 35-shot drum magazines

for a total capacity of 154 darts, not counting 6 in the Maverick, 1 each from the 4 blasters I have that have the extra dart slot in the grip, or any extras in the drums.

TeeEye7
09-25-2010, 03:11 PM
What was there before Nerf? Cap guns!

This offering was at The Toy Museum in Branson, MO. Ah, nostalgia!

JediTricks
09-25-2010, 03:28 PM
Eh, I remember cap guns from when I was a kid, they never did it for me. I liked the smell of the gunpowder, but the sound was too high, too shrill to be fun. I enjoyed the gunpowder-filled paper poppers more once they came around to my neighborhood, and still do. Walmart still sells cap guns, but only in ring style I think.

Ando
09-27-2010, 11:52 AM
Does anyone here remember the cap guns that had magazines and they tood a strip of plastic linked caps? Those were COOL!

Nice get, JT. An extra drum mag will always come in handy.

JediTricks
09-27-2010, 09:28 PM
Yes, they still sell those strings of plastic caps as well, I had forgotten about them. I didn't really get into those as a kid, I either had ring or the paper caps that went in the grenades and older cap guns. Then super soakers, realistic Uzi water guns, and poppers came out and blew my mind.

Ando
09-28-2010, 10:26 AM
This should bring back lots of memories for those born in the mid to late 70's: ENTERTECH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99UPQEFSGVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99UPQEFSGVQ)

JediTricks
09-28-2010, 03:17 PM
I don't think I've ever seen that one, actually. There were better guns of the same vein, but those clips leaked HORRIBLY, I do remember that. Even in the commercial you can see these things shoot terrible streams of water, "30 feet" is generous, definitely not going to compete with the nozzle on a Super Soaker.

Ando
09-28-2010, 04:46 PM
I don't think I've ever seen that one, actually. There were better guns of the same vein, but those clips leaked HORRIBLY, I do remember that. Even in the commercial you can see these things shoot terrible streams of water, "30 feet" is generous, definitely not going to compete with the nozzle on a Super Soaker.

I loved how shameless they were about co-opting the A-Team's popularity by making the commerical look like the opening titles to the show.

All very good points, JT, but up until Entertech (and other brands), these were LIGHT years ahead of everything kids had in those days. Super Soaker definitely crushed the competition when they came out.

Those clips were notorious for leaking. They had belt clips to keep them right side up. They were still loads of fun (as I remember it).

Ando
10-18-2010, 01:50 PM
Gave away 2 more Nerf Alpha Trooper CS-18's over the weekend for birthday gifts. Everyone LOVES these!

JediTricks
10-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Killer. I am still planning on getting a pair for my sister and niece.

I accidentally sent 2 clip-system darts through the washer and dryer, they came out pretty much fine except curved and with lint stuck to the glue at the dart tips (the lint came off easily enough, as did the lint inside the tubes).

LTBasker
11-09-2010, 06:47 PM
So, I don't know if you guys got the "Great Big Christmas Book" from TRU, but they have some interesting Nerf package deals shown.

IX-2 Barrel Break w/ tactical light ($17)
CS-6 Deply w/ magazine clip kit ($20)
CS-6 Longstrike w/ bandolier kit ($30)
CS-36 Raider w/ "extra barrel attachment" but picture shows extra drum magazine in the box ($30)
Also, free bag of Nerf ammo with any Nerf blaster purchase ($6 value)

TeeEye7
11-10-2010, 02:56 AM
Dang! all that totals about 1/3 of the cost of a nice Mossberg or Remington!

Talk about weapons of mass destruction!

LTBasker
11-10-2010, 02:05 PM
Comes to nearly half of what I paid for my Remington.


...but it's airsoft. :p

Ando
11-20-2010, 11:07 PM
I was at Toys R Us today and happened upon the learning toy section and I noticed a new EyeClops Night Vision product.

It's a scope and it has what looks like a female tactical rail and might fit on a Nerf tactical rail. Has anybody else seen this?

Ando
11-30-2010, 03:17 PM
Just ordered 4 Nerf Barricades and 3 Nerf Stampedes (extra value/double darts pack to boot!) off of HTS. I used the HOLIDAY2010 code to get 25% off and free shipping. What a deal!

I ordered 3 Barricades on Thursday, but it was too late to get the FAMILY2010 25% discount, but I did get free shipping. I will return those for credit when the discounted ones arrive.

The Barricades are my personal "armory" along with one of the new Stampedes. The other 2 Stampedes are Christmas gifts for my wife's 2 younger brothers (early 20's) so that we can have a Nerf fight on Christmas like we did at the beach in September.

JediTricks
11-30-2010, 05:48 PM
I am curious to see how the Barricade works out. I've been seeing it at TRU lately, $20 is too high even if it is motorized so I haven't been tempted yet. It'd be the same price if I bought it off HTS though with the discount, thanks to their insanely-high shipping price under $50 ($50 and up is free shipping).

Good deal on the Stampede value pack.

Ando
11-30-2010, 05:52 PM
I am excited to try out the Barricade. I have been wandering the toy stores/toy aisles the last 2 weeks and haven't seen it out yet, so I jumped on it when I saw it online.

With the discount and free shipping, it's $12.75, so I thought that was a pretty okay deal.

JT, have you seen the EyeClops Night Vision Scope that I mentioned in a previous post? I want a second opinion before I drop $50.00 on it to see if it fits the Nerf tac. rails.

JediTricks
12-01-2010, 07:32 PM
Not one that fits on the Tac Rails, no. I looked 'em up, but didn't see anything that would fit the design you're talking about, they're all head-mounted that I've seen.

LTBasker
12-02-2010, 12:55 AM
Yeah, the scope doesn't seem to be very well established online yet, and there's only one on ebay so far: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-JAKKS-EYE-CLOPS-NIGHT-VISION-INFRARED-STEALTH-SCOPE-/370461478819?pt=Binocular&hash=item5641398fa3

Haven't seen any pictures that give a clear indication if it could fit on a Nerf RIS rail. Nerf rails are a different size than their real steel counterparts.

Ando
12-02-2010, 10:29 AM
That's the only online listing I've seen for it as well.

In person, up close, and through the packaging, it looks like the part that attaches to a rail is oversized for the Nerf rail, but I can't tell if it has screws or something else that would tighten it down for a snug fit.

It's obvious once you see it that it looks like it was designed to fit *A* rail of some sort, but maybe they just made it generic enough to fit on Nerf and/or Airsoft rails (which is cool, too).

I will wait until I am done with Christmas to try it. I am sure I can always adapt it. It's $50.00 which is and isn't a lot. If it doesn't work, I can give it to my nephew to play with.

Ando
12-05-2010, 08:39 PM
I finally found a Barricade at Target on Friday night. The ones I ordered from HTS showed up yesterday. They're all going back. It's a decent enough gun for $14.99 (Target's cheaper by $2...), but not something I need more than 1 of for now.

It works with the suction darts as well as the 'whistler' darts that it comes with. Range is not that great, but it's kinda fun.

If anyone is interested, www.toysrus.com finally has a clear picture up o their site for the EyeClops Night Vision Scope (out of package).

JediTricks
12-07-2010, 07:20 PM
That good, huh? What's not so great about it?

I went to buy my sister and niece a pair of Alpha Troopers at Target last night, they only had 2 and 1 of the boxes had been opened. I didn't want to rummage around inside to be sure everything was on the up-and-up so I passed, will pick them up another time when I'm not as low on funds.

Ando
12-08-2010, 10:19 AM
That good, huh? What's not so great about it?

In a word: Range.

I think it's mostly the fault of how they made the mechanisms work. Unlike the Stampede, when you turn on the Barricade, you literally turn it on. There's a motor inside that (and these are 100% accurate scientific terms) starts whirring and makes the darts goe "pew pew pew" when you pull the trigger.

When you pull the trigger, there's hardly any sound outside of the motor (unlike when you pull the trigger on a pump action Nerf blaster, where there's a distinct "pop" sound).

Because the motor generates the air that shoots the dart (HUGE guess there on that), the force isn't that great, and therefore the range suffers. If you get a chance to handle one, you'll know what I am talking about.

It's a fun toy, just not the greatest Nerf gun ever and will not replace the Maverick as a Nerf sidearm unless you like the fact that it's semi-auto and does not need to be pumped.

Darth Metalmute
12-08-2010, 11:07 AM
Is there another coupon code? I tried to buy the Barricade with Holiday2010 and it did not work.

JediTricks
12-08-2010, 05:23 PM
Thanks for the info on the Barricade, sounds like an easy pass.


Wow, bummer about the 25% coupon code ending.

Ando
12-08-2010, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the info on the Barricade, sounds like an easy pass.

You're welcome.

Hopefully we will see some new blasters in the coming months. I would like to see them come with more interchangability.

I wish the barrel from the Recon could be fitted to other blasters for more customization options like they do with the stock attachment options on the Alpha Trooper, Raider, and the Barricade. It wouldn't improve performance, but it adds to the playability of the toys.

I need to get another one of these sets (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3425051) for the light and scope. The blaster is junk, but the accessories are what I want. If I have a 3rd light, I can have a 3 point light on my Stampede and make it look like a Predator targeting system (dorky, I know, but I don't care anymore...).

Ando
12-15-2010, 05:58 PM
So I ended up getting a second set with the 1 shot blaster, scope, and tactical light. I have 2 of the blasters and those are going to the nephews along with an Alpha Trooper, spare clip set with bandolier, and extra darts.

I also ended up getting the EyeClops Night Vision Scope (http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4270254) over the weekend. It's on sale for $32.49 (normally $49.99), so I couldn't pass it up.

The Nerf tactical rail is just a bit too narrow for a solid fit, so I took the flip up sight from the Longstrike and took the actual orange sights off and super glued the scope to the top to make an adaptor and it worked out pretty good.

I have a flip up sight from my Recon stashed somewhere that will probably work better, but for now it's servicable. I will try to remember to post pics soon.

For your viewing enjoyment, here are some videos from the Nerf Facebook site that are on youtube. It looks like FunnyorDie was involved with these.

Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Whqnr-W2U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Whqnr-W2U)

Episode 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7TjIrlHE78 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7TjIrlHE78)

Episode 3 comes out on 12.20.2010

And just an FYI, the EyeClops Night Vision works just as good as the legit NV monocular that I bought 3 years ago for $100.00 at Big 5 Sports. It even has a switch to go from the black and white vision to the traditional green. For a child's toy, it's pretty sophisticated. Downside, it takes 4 AAA batteries and the switch is easily toggled on, so you can burn through batteries if you're not careful.

Enjoy!

Ando
01-04-2011, 01:29 PM
Looks like I am the only one still here? Wow, kinda lonely...

Anyways, I found this picture on Facebook.

Looks like what's old is new again: http://urbantaggers.blogspot.com/2010/11/preview-first-pics-of-unreleased-super.html (http://urbantaggers.blogspot.com/2010/11/preview-first-pics-of-unreleased-super.html)

JediTricks
01-04-2011, 04:56 PM
I've been reading, but busy with holidays and didn't end up getting anybody any Nerf stuff.


I didn't realize Nerf and Super Soaker were now the same brand, but that Super Soaker AK-47's clip is running both brands on it. It looks pretty small for what it is, but the idea is cool. I predict a running change pretty soon to even more garish colors though.

Ando
01-04-2011, 05:09 PM
I've been reading, but busy with holidays and didn't end up getting anybody any Nerf stuff.


I didn't realize Nerf and Super Soaker were now the same brand, but that Super Soaker AK-47's clip is running both brands on it. It looks pretty small for what it is, but the idea is cool. I predict a running change pretty soon to even more garish colors though.

Hey! Happy New Year, JT!

We bought a TON of Nerf stuff for people this year. Alpha Troopers and Stampedes to be exact. Every single one was a hit. I was involved in a Christmas Eve Nerf war at my mom and dad's and a Christmas Day Nerf war at my in-law's. LOTS of fun!

Hasbro started putting the SS line under the Nerf name last summer starting with the Shot Blast and other water blasters. They even have interchangable stocks and tactical rails. My Alpha Trooper has the red stock from the Shot Blast I bought last year.

I like that Thunderstrike blaster. It also shares the same clip with a similar looking pump action blaster called the Tornado Strike. The pump action one comes with a stock and looks almost like an HK MP5. It features 2 streams of water that twist together like a tornado (sorta).

There's also another one that's called the Hydro Cannon and looks like a surface to air Stinger tube with a detachable (tactical rail mounted) sight with a big orange transparent screen with a bullseye on it. This badboy has THREE rails (top and one on each side).

It's still way early for water guns here in Portland (we're in the high 20's/low 30s's), but I stumbled across them and thought I'd share.

LTBasker
01-05-2011, 10:00 PM
Very nice! I, too, had a Nerf-less Christmas despite having the Stampede and Raider on my wishlist. Oh well.

Cool to hear about the super soakers, I've been curious about those. I thought they looked like they were designed to be part of the modular system, but the cheaper looking plastic made me think that they were part of the sculpt and not detachable.

LTBasker
01-07-2011, 05:50 PM
Hmm, I had a crazy idea for an ultimate combination of parts.

Take the Recon, put the Longshot's barrel/gun on the front, put in the Raider's drum magazine and a normal spare magazine in the stock, put the Barrel Break's dart holder on the Recon's top rail (spares for the Longshot barrel/gun), then attach a bandolier/sling with extra magazines and darts.

You only need to buy four guns and an accessory pack! :D If I ever get a Raider value pack with the extra drum mag, I think I'll have to pick up a bandolier kit and the barrel break just to do this.

Ando
01-07-2011, 06:00 PM
Too bad the Longshot is discontinued/NLA. :(

I still need to take/post pictures of my NV scope with Nerf rail adaptor.

LTBasker
01-07-2011, 07:10 PM
Oh is it? That's pretty surprising, wonder if something is in the mix to replace it or if the Longstrike is going to fill that void.

Yeah, please do! That really sounds like an interesting sight.

Edit: Finally got to order a Raider. Btw, if anybody else has also been looking for the Raiders with a second drum magazine included, TRU's site has them: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4400625

They also have the Longstrike pack that includes a bandolier kit, and the Deploy pack that includes the magazine clip kit.

Ando
01-10-2011, 10:33 AM
Oh is it? That's pretty surprising, wonder if something is in the mix to replace it or if the Longstrike is going to fill that void.

Yeah, please do! That really sounds like an interesting sight.

Edit: Finally got to order a Raider. Btw, if anybody else has also been looking for the Raiders with a second drum magazine included, TRU's site has them: http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4400625

They also have the Longstrike pack that includes a bandolier kit, and the Deploy pack that includes the magazine clip kit.

- I think the Longstrike is supposed to fill that slot.
- Totally forgot to take pictures over the weekend.
- I got some TRU gift cards for Christmas and ordered (2) Nerf Raiders Value Packs (2 drums) on Friday night. When my order arrives, I will have (6) 35 round drum magazines! Woo hoo!

LTBasker
01-13-2011, 11:08 PM
That's insane dude, I can't imagine needing more than the 2. But I bet it'll be an impressive sight. :D

Anybody know if two drum mags will fit in an ammo box?

Ando
01-14-2011, 12:37 PM
And my 2 new Raiders (with extra drums and darts!) JUST showed up!

Ando
01-17-2011, 06:30 PM
I picked up a new Nerf Vulcan on Friday night. I had $41.00 in TRU rewards dollars, so it was $19.97 (I got an extra ammo belt, too).

Not too shabby.

Here are the long delayed pictures of my EyeClops Night Vision scope with a Nerf adaptor mounted to my Alpha Trooper.

LTBasker
01-22-2011, 02:32 PM
That's really cool, looks like it'd be a ton of fun! Wish it had a more compatible rail on it, I don't have something to sacrifice to get it to mount. Very nice work, though!

The Alpha Trooper looks pretty spiffy with a regular magazine in it. Is the stock from the Super Soaker just as sturdy as the Raider version?

Ando
01-23-2011, 09:51 PM
Yes it is! It's the same stock connector as the Raider.

I need to work on the NV scope. It's quite wobbily right now.

LTBasker
02-12-2011, 02:35 AM
So, this is REALLY geeky, but... I've been doing a lot of designing for custom display cabinets in my room, and I realized that I need somewhere to store my NERF guns that's a bit more organized. So, I made a NERF gun rack. This version is made to fit a specific spot in my room and it includes slots for rifles, a pegboard section for pistols and a cabinet for scopes, ammo, etc..

Here's the various views (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/Jedigreedo/NERFrackmk2.jpg) with various colors used to bring out various parts, and then here is how I would most likely paint it in NERF colors (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/Jedigreedo/NERFrackmk2-color.jpg).

JediTricks
02-13-2011, 04:13 PM
Wild idea for the Nerf gun rack. I'm thinking of putting up a pegboard and throwing them on hooks. For now, I carry mine around in my big zip bag, it looks like that scene from The Matrix when it's stuffed to the gills with guns, only these are yellow. :D


Toy Fair doesn't look like they have a lot of "new" about Nerf, but I did find these 2 guns in this coverage (http://208.84.119.57/?p=1188):
Looks like the Recon's main gun but with the new curve design - http://208.84.119.57/wp-content/uploads/DSCN0345.jpg
Looks like the Raider with the new curves and a curved magazine - http://208.84.119.57/wp-content/uploads/DSCN0344.jpg

I'm really digging this new N-force double-bladed sword, the Vendetta:
http://208.84.119.57/wp-content/uploads/DSCN0346.jpg
http://208.84.119.57/wp-content/uploads/DSCN0347.jpg

Ando
02-14-2011, 11:36 AM
JT: Those are the new Dart Tag blasters with the easy load/integrated magazines that you load directly into the blaster. Apparently they don't work with the clip system darts, either.

I keep my blasters in my trunk under a blanket along with a BUNCH of magazines and Sterilite bins filled with darts.

I also saw some pictures online of a new color scheme for the Recon, Raider, and Maverick; Yellow with some thick black stripes that they're using as a promotional tool for the 09.10.2011 (9/10/11) release of what they're calling the Vortex series (?). I'm very interested in how they're going to top the Stampede which apparently won the 2010 award for top boys toy.

JediTricks
02-14-2011, 03:00 PM
Nuts, stupid dart tag. This year, I guess the saying is "Nerf has nothin'."

Seems like they have a very stop-start production cycle.

Darth Metalmute
02-15-2011, 08:05 AM
I picked up the Spectre for my son last week. I found the weapon hard to arm, but it shoots pretty far and accurate.

LTBasker
03-22-2011, 02:28 PM
Wal-Mart now has value packs of the Barricade RV-10 that include the stock from the Raider but colored in yellow and dark gray, it's a bit easy to miss though. They're nearly the same size boxes, just look for the green top. I picked one up today thinking that's a good deal for the $16.99 price, but actually feel a little disappointed. The stock looks good on my Recon, so that's somewhat worthwhile at least. The RV-10 itself, though... It's a good concept, but poor execution. I find it too bulky for a convenient pistol, but it's not good for a rifle or even submachine gun role because you can't really get a second grip on it. Your hand will most likely grab the dart cylinder if you try to grip the body.

Also, I would have preferred it to come with the suction darts rather than whistlers. I'm not impressed with'em. I got an individual EX-1 pistol at K-Mart a few weeks back and it fires the whistler darts harder than the RV-10, but they still only whistle on occasion.

JediTricks
03-22-2011, 03:14 PM
Keep in mind, whistlers don't always whistle at the shooter, but they still might whistle at the target. That said, yeah, they do kinda suck at whistling. :p

Target has been getting a ton of the Star Wars NERF "basic" pistols, and I am tempted by the clone trooper variant. I would like to get the EX-1 but only Kmart has 'em and they charge too much for it. I'm hoping the SW versions shoot just as well, they seem to have the same exact design, but at $10 a pop they're a bit much.

The Clone pistol looks good, almost cartoon-accurate (minus the colors), but the Grievous and Cad Bane ones are super chibi.

LTBasker
03-22-2011, 04:32 PM
Yeah, I hadn't even intended to get the EX-1 since it was only a couple bucks cheaper than an EX-3, but K-Mart had 1 blue one left and it would've been a waste of a trip if I hadn't found something.

I've only seen meager mention of the SW pistols, but haven't seen them. Do you have any links that show'em all?

Edit: Oh, HTS has the RV-10 with stock for preorder (http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/nerf-n-strike-barricade-rv-10-value-pack?BR=582) right now.

And if anyone's interested in the new super soakers, the $20 blaster with the magazine and stock has a value pack on there right now with an extra magazine (http://www.hasbrotoyshop.com/nerf-super-soaker-tornado-strike-value-pack?BR=582&ST=PR&PG=3).

Ando
03-22-2011, 04:39 PM
I kinda want to get a couple of the Captain Rex pistols for my nephew.

I'm tempted to try to find the WM Barricade, just for the stock, but I already have 1 Barricade and it's pretty useless.

JediTricks
03-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I didn't know this site existed, but it came up on my google search, so here are the 3 SW blasters. Note that the DC-17 is more chibi than I made it sound, but also a bit similar to the EX-1, though not as ergonomically sound and no tac rail.
http://nerf.wikia.com/wiki/Cad_Bane_Blaster
http://nerf.wikia.com/wiki/DC-17_Blaster_Pistol
(someone deleted the Grievous listing under a misunderstanding, so here's an alternate look)
http://www.officialstarwarscostumes.com/9956826.html

Packaging is SW equivalent of the EX-1's open packaging.

Ando
03-23-2011, 04:08 PM
Quick question, cause I don't know... What is "chibi"?

LTBasker
03-23-2011, 09:25 PM
I didn't know this site existed, but it came up on my google search, so here are the 3 SW blasters. Note that the DC-17 is more chibi than I made it sound, but also a bit similar to the EX-1, though not as ergonomically sound and no tac rail.
http://nerf.wikia.com/wiki/Cad_Bane_Blaster
http://nerf.wikia.com/wiki/DC-17_Blaster_Pistol
(someone deleted the Grievous listing under a misunderstanding, so here's an alternate look)
http://www.officialstarwarscostumes.com/9956826.html

Packaging is SW equivalent of the EX-1's open packaging.

Cool, thanks. I think I saw either the Bane of Grievous one at Wal-Mart but didn't pay attention to what it was. The DC-17 may be tempting to pick up, especially with the dart storage in the grip. That's pretty nifty!


Quick question, cause I don't know... What is "chibi"?

"Chibi" is a form of stylization that minimalizes detail and shrinks the scale without preserving proper proportion, often to make something cute or kid-looking. I think the term comes from anime?

Darth Metalmute
03-24-2011, 07:33 AM
Walmart had all three of the SW nerf guns the time I was there.

JediTricks
03-24-2011, 01:23 PM
Basker basically defined what "chibi" is, a plush Darth Vader might be Chibi because it's a shrunken, cutsified version of the character. http://www.google.com/search?q=chibi+darth+vader&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Ando
03-24-2011, 01:32 PM
Thanks, guys. Good to know!

LTBasker
03-24-2011, 05:07 PM
Bit of followup to the Barricade as I've played around with it a bit. The design has grown on me, I really like looking at the gun itself especially with the stock attached. It strikes me as a design perfect for scifi, far more than something such as the Longshot (http://www.amazon.com/Kris-Longknife-Redoubtable-Mike-Shepherd/dp/0441019560/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1301000415&sr=8-2). Actually it even reminded me of something in particular from the Jem'Hadar (http://cylandprops.com/phaserprop18.jpg).

Although, it still doesn't quite redeem it from being bulky and impractical. I've found the stock helps slightly since you can hold it like an ordinary pistol (other hand covering the hand that's holding the grip), which would be tiring, but the stock provides support and steadying once you have it against your shoulder. I feel as though the stock should've been included with it from the start, but I guess that would've put it up to $20 and would have had to be a Recon replacement.

It's disappointing that a gun of this size only has a single tactical rail, I think it really could have benefited from rails on the side. There's enough room just below where the "BARRICADE RV-10" tag is to mount a rail about the size of those on the EX-1 and Maverick, but oh well. That said, I'm actually aggravated by the rail on the top of the gun. It should be large enough to mount anything from the small red dot scope to the beefy scope from the Longshot, but not quite. I haven't mounted the Longshot's scope yet (though it should have no problem due to being taller), but I did try the Recon's light. It didn't fit! The rear of the rail has two raised notches like iron sights, which doesn't work since they're too far separated and too short to work with the forward sight. They make it impossible for the Recon's light, and probably the boxier light that's available separately, to be mounted properly. They can sit on the rail, but it won't be completely secure because it can't go back far enough for the underside notch to lock with the springy-thing (for lack of a better description) that's in the middle of the rail. This is most aggravating because the modularity of this gun is already severely limited due to the strange beefy muzzle. Granted, I'm sure none of the scopes have a problem with mounting, but they're not as fun as the tactical lights.

And, last but not least, is the cylinder itself. It's kind of annoying to reload, although I've found a somewhat simple way of doing it. The problem is that, due to 6 out of 10 slots being out in the open at any given time, the darts aren't entirely secured. It's been common for 1-2 to fall out when the gun is pointing downward, and that's just obnoxious.

On the brightside, it is my first electric NERF gun so far (I do plan on getting the Stampede eventually) and it is very fun to fire. But man does it end too quickly. The firing mechanism is a pair of spinning wheels that run as long as you have it turned on so there's really no waiting to fire. The only hindrance in firing is that you really have to make sure the trigger goes ALL the way back otherwise the cylinder might not actually rotate, but once you get the hang of that you'll be cycling through the 10 shots just too freaking quickly. I'm actually tempted now to get one of those bags that come with the camouflaged darts to put on my belt for when I mess around with this gun.

Overall, it's not a bad gun, especially for the price point. But, I think it may have been rushed... I'm guessing they wanted to get an electronic pistol out there to be a better companion for the Stampede, and this is the best they could come up with. It's a good concept but suffers from, I assume, not having the opportunity to be entirely thought out.

JediTricks
03-24-2011, 08:05 PM
Thanks for the notes on the Barricade, easily going to stay away from that thing.

The Stampede is totally awesome, on the other hand, and I think on sale at Target right now for $40. Considering what you get there - 3 extended clips, a 6-shot clip, the grip/bipod, and the somewhat silly but a little useful shield, it's a good buy, and very few jams on mine.

LTBasker
03-24-2011, 11:06 PM
Oh yeah, I hope to get one soon! At least before July... A friend I'll be visiting recently got a Maverick, and I'm going to see how fast he can cycle through its 6 shots as I pelt him with a drum mag-equipped Stampede. ;)

LTBasker
04-12-2011, 08:50 PM
Nerf "revealed" their Vortex line via their facebook page the other day, but it wasn't really that much of a reveal since it was just a brief video barely featuring a gun.

http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2011/04/nerf-vortex-series-revealed.html

The Vortex line will be disc-shooters that use magazines similar to the N-Strike but with cylindrical centers, and will be using modular stocks that look compatible with the N-Strike line.

JediTricks
04-12-2011, 10:29 PM
I don't know what it is, but I've never liked disc shooters. I occasionally have fun with them, but only in the moment. Perhaps it's that the discs never fly very far and NEVER straight at all, or perhaps there's something dull about launching mini-frisbees, I mean, how difficult is it to propel a disc?!?

Ando
04-13-2011, 09:54 AM
I don't know what it is, but I've never liked disc shooters. I occasionally have fun with them, but only in the moment. Perhaps it's that the discs never fly very far and NEVER straight at all, or perhaps there's something dull about launching mini-frisbees, I mean, how difficult is it to propel a disc?!?

The brief video that LTBasker is referring to showed one of the blasters in action, and unless they used some visual shenanigans, the disc shooters from Nerf had some pretty nice distance.

My only concern is for kids. I can't imagine it'd be long before some moms and consumer groups tried to get them banned since they shoot hard plastic discs instead of foam rubber darts because of the inevitable accident involving a kid getting hit in the eye.

The blasters looked pretty cool (from the brief glimpse they gave us). I will probably get one to try out.

LTBasker
04-13-2011, 08:25 PM
Well, actually, I'm fairly certain the discs will be foam as well. It's really not a surprising development since Hasbro has dabbled with disc shooters before (http://cgi.ebay.com/STAR-WARS-MILLENNIUM-FALCON-SPACE-SHOOTER-TARGET-GAME-/120710410017?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1ae6af21). Though, the problem I have with the idea of'em is that discs seem easier to lose and damage. And, in general, they're just not as interesting as the darts. In the announcement before the reveal, they implied that the N-Strike line isn't over. Kinda wonder if it's like how the Titanium line is just on "hiatus," though.


and the N-Strike line isn't going anywhere (get ready for the ultimate Nerf collection).

On a somewhat related note, I picked up a baggie of 16 suction darts and it's made the Barricade more fun than with the whistling darts. I have to make sure to only use it when nobody else is home due to the embarrassing giggling that erupts when I let loose the 10 darts across the TV screen. :D

Ando
04-14-2011, 10:44 AM
On a somewhat related note, I picked up a baggie of 16 suction darts and it's made the Barricade more fun than with the whistling darts.

The Barricade IS more fun with suction darts!

Either way, I am intrigued by the Vortex line.

JediTricks
04-14-2011, 12:28 PM
I finally watched that video, kinda cheesy how they edited it, but I see a few clever ideas, albeit in very plasticky guns (I'm hoping those aren't the final decos). That disc fired pretty far, not remotely straight though, and not quite as fast as a dart. If they can get tracking locked down and speed up, these might be interesting, but I suspect they'll be more of the same disc shooter nonsense.

In other news, Nerf was specifically named as a Boys Toys line that isn't floundering, unlike the other divisions at Hasbro which took a 70% nosedive this last quarter (girls toys, puzzles, games).

Ando
04-18-2011, 05:28 PM
Nerf just released a second video, and the discs definitely look like regular plastic, and not foam covered.

Still intrigued.

LTBasker
04-19-2011, 03:04 AM
Hmm, very weird. They really do appear to be plastic discs, and they don't have the holes in the center as their past discs had. Very strange... Maybe the majority of the body is plastic, but they have foam edges?

I am kind of glad about this, though, since it means I can take a break from buying NERF aside from getting the last of the N-Strike stuff that I want.

Oh, and I stumbled across the little SW blasters tonight. The Cad Bane and Grievous pistols were definitely too chibi for my tastes, but I suppose a small child would probably enjoy them. However, the Rex pistol is a nice design and I may have to pick it up - when it's marked down. At Wal-Mart they're $8-something, basically the same as a figure. Since I already have the EX-1, though, I don't really a similar gun if it's going to cost the same as the NiteFinder. Just not worth it...

Although, I have to admit, if they made a decent Biker Scout pistol I wouldn't think twice about the price.


In other news, Nerf was specifically named as a Boys Toys line that isn't floundering, unlike the other divisions at Hasbro which took a 70% nosedive this last quarter (girls toys, puzzles, games).

I don't find that surprising. When I found the Barricade pack with the stock, I had actually found a new SW figure first but couldn't afford both. Despite being mostly disappointed with the Barricade, I still feel it was a more worthwhile buy than the figure.

LTBasker
05-01-2011, 05:57 PM
So, those SW NERF blasters seem to be selling well. They were pretty scarce today at the same store as previous, and while I was standing there a guy came up with his kid and they seemed pretty excited to find them. Hope this is evidence that they're selling well, I think they could really churn out some interesting stuff in this line.

JediTricks
09-23-2011, 10:08 PM
I still haven't picked up one of the Nerf Star Wars mini-blasters yet, the price is just outside of what I consider reasonable. I probably will pick up a DC-17 though if I see it on sale.


Today, I picked up a Nerf Vortex blaster, the Vigilon - this line's names aren't so great really. The blaster is roughly equivalent to the Maverick in size and number of shots, except a tad bigger and more expensive (Target has it for $14.39 right now, normally I think it's between $16 and $20 everywhere). There's 5 discs included, though I suppose if you had an extra you could chamber it and carry 6. The design is a self-contained pistol with an internal track for discs - flip the switch on either side to drop down a door on the left, exposing the track and an angled plunger. This thing has more safety features than the previous line, you can open the magazine door at any time, but you cannot slide the slide without the BOTH the door being closed and there being a disc in the chamber. But at least it doesn't need to have the slide cocked to load it the way most of the N-strikes, one of the things I didn't like - you have to either fire the first shot immediately with them, here you don't. There's a tactical rail on the top forward section, none on the slide itself, the rail is a standard one although I haven't yet tried an accessory, but it looks ridiculous up there because the body around it is twice as wide as an N-strike blaster.

The feel is roughly the same as the Maverick in some ways, big but reasonable pistol styling, generous yet ever so slightly uncomfortable at the index finger grip, and the trigger pull is only slightly lighter. The blaster has less kick than the Mav though, and the slide is smaller and requires less strength to use.

The Vigilon has greater strength than the N-strike blasters, it shoots at least 40 feet and the first half is pretty fast at that. It's also more accurate when conditions allow, but the discs aren't weighted like the darts so they catch any wind a little easier too. The discs are mini frisbees, a rubber core that's mostly hard with a round-beveled ring of Nerf foam outside. They sting when they hit more than the darts, though partly that's due to the increased power behind them. The flat underside of the discs has a round hollow in the middle, so they are quite angle-specific, if you shoot a Vortex blaster slightly rotated, it will greatly affect the behavior of the shot - that's quite unlike N-strike, where the cylindrical darts shot pretty much straight no matter how you held the blaster.

The color is garish orange and green with light and dark gray accents. The styling is similar to N-strike but has its own voice as well, right down to the tech pattern everywhere (even the trigger) and a large lanyard loop at the bottom of the grip. Most of the gun has detail out the wazoo, but for some reason the top has less (the slide has a rear sight and some detail, while the front has the tac rail), and the muzzle has virtually no personality at all. Both sides have the magazine door release switch for lefties, and the right side offers a sliding jam-release switch (which will eject a properly-chambered round as well). BTW, I just checked, the sights are off, the blaster hits consistently 3 inches to the right of where I'm aiming from 15 feet away - the blaster is consistent though. ;)

I think the Vigilon is the bare minimum blaster for the Vortex line, as the lower-priced one - the Proton - is a single-shot for $9 or $10 or even more depending on retailer. The multi-shot nature of the Vigilon makes it pretty much the ideal for the line, it's cheaper than the Praxis and Nitron yet seems to have no less range or accuracy, it's just got 5 shots per magazine instead of 10, and its magazine is internal instead of removable. But the Vigilon rapid-fires faster than the motor-driven Nitron, which IMO says a lot about the flaws of the Nitron. The Praxis (geez these names) does have a removable magazine and N-strike-style stock, and its slide is under the barrel like a shotgun rather than behind the trigger which probably makes it a better rapid-fire aim, it doesn't actually look notably bigger than the Vigilon so you have to ask yourself if the slide, removable stock, and 10-shot removable magazine are worth almost double the price of admission for what is basically a frisbee shooter.

Oh, I do have 1 criticism for the line overall - green discs for a toy meant to be played with outdoors? The lighter green ring isn't too hard to see, but the inner core is darker. I didn't have trouble finding them in the grass, but in the plants could have been a different story, and had twilight fallen it would have been bye-bye discs. And a dumb thing about the Vigilon specifically, I've done this twice so far, I'll fill it up but not fire it, hold it slightly to the left, open the door without thinking (it snaps down on its own) and out will puke all 5 discs all over the floor. The door doesn't accidentally open, it's just an interesting action that's easy to repeat over and over until you stop thinking about whether it's full or empty. And until you pull the slide a little, the plunger doesn't engage the discs much so they're just sitting in there ready to dump out. But you have to be the dumbass to make that choice, it doesn't do anything wrong on its own. It's just an easy choice to not think about making.

All in all, I am not instantly in love with the Vortex line the way I was with the N-strike line. When I first got the Maverick, it was the bee's knees in a revolver. And when I first got the Recon, it was so much fun to interchange the N-strike accessories. With the Vortex Vigilon, there are some fun gimmicks, and it does have a little more distance, but the frisbee-style discs just don't have the personality of the darts, just as the discus isn't as exciting a sport as the javelin, so it's more of a fun curiosity than a Nerf weapon of mass destruction - it's ironic then that it's more accurate, flies further, and hurts more. I would recommend any N-strike fan get the Vigilon if they are interested in the concept, and ONLY the Vigilon if they are on the fence - the single-shot is always going to be boring at this size, and the interchangeable one is a bit too expensive for that mindset.

Ando
09-26-2011, 10:35 AM
Thank you for the review, JT. A friend of mine picked up the Vigilon and basically said the same thing. "It's okay".

Frankly, I would be more interested in Nerf/Hasbro's continued investment and development of the N-Strike series utilizing the clip system darts and magazines instead of something completely different that isn't interchangeable. But that's just me.

JediTricks
09-26-2011, 04:05 PM
Sure thing. Further play with it has discovered an annoyance in the blaster, the sliding door for the internal magazine meant to simulate the snapping in of a clip, when you slap it closed it's not too difficult to get your hand pinched in the lowest part. It's not a common thing, only happened to me twice, but I can see how during a battle it'd be way easy. For the price, I think they should have gone with the removable magazine design found on the other 2.

Yeah, ditching the N-strike line seems foolish. Yes, Vortex is faster and a little further, but it's less accurate and doesn't have the personality. Also, reloading is a bit annoying since it's directional. And N-strike has a built in system of accessories and interchangeability that seems like could keep going and going. I would love to have a conversation with them about why they changed focus to Vortex.

Darth Metalmute
09-26-2011, 06:35 PM
I've been considering the small one just to see what it does, but I'm not completely satisfied with the loss of the N-Strike line.

LTBasker
09-26-2011, 06:52 PM
Nice review! Although I really don't think I'll be picking up any of the Vortex guns, they just don't capture the same appeal that the darts do, especially in comparison to suction darts. I'm a sucker for them.

I've taken the Vortex line as their way of refreshing the image of Nerf to retailers, just like they do with Star Wars and frequently changing the packaging. It's hard to tell exactly what they plan on doing when it comes to N-Strike since they did say they wouldn't be abandoning it despite Vortex's debut. Maybe they'll continue on with N-Strike in the form of repaints until 2013 or 2014, then bring it back? If that's the plan, or similar to it, then they certainly need to do something more interesting for the repaints.

That said, the new white series is kind of nifty and I picked up the Maverick. I'm thinking I'll pick up this version of the Longstrike, as well. I just really like the extra graphic coloring added to the white series - even though in the case of the Longstrike it's all kind of counterproductive for a sniper rifle. :p I doubt I'll pick up anything from the orange series, it's just too ugly. The Maverick having its body covered majorly in orange like that just makes it look like a drug store bootleg.

JediTricks
09-27-2011, 01:18 PM
Nice review! Although I really don't think I'll be picking up any of the Vortex guns, they just don't capture the same appeal that the darts do, especially in comparison to suction darts. I'm a sucker for them.I see what you did there. ;)

I have to buy a new Maverick, mine barely locks when the slide is engaged. I am not sure which version, but maybe the clear green version at TRU. They really need to refresh the N-strike line with new pieces though, Vortex just isn't enough, and I don't want to buy the same 6 N-strike blasters over and over.

LTBasker
09-27-2011, 02:17 PM
Yeah, I think they could at least get away with store exclusives with Wal-Mart/TRU/Target. I'm still hoping we see something like a grenade/ball launcher as was discussed earlier in this thread.

It's not a gun, but it's definitely a nice release for N-Strike: http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2011/09/nerf-n-strike-18-dart-drum-magazine-set.html

Now if only they would rerelease those mission kits, specifically the pinpoint sight.

JediTricks
09-30-2011, 06:08 PM
Nice find! I bet it costs $15 by itself though.

I don't understand why they haven't released the single shot to the big retailers, why they don't make those rail-attachable

LTBasker
11-27-2011, 11:51 PM
Saw the individual 18-count Alpha Trooper magazines available at Target today, I suppose it's an exclusive for them. They're only $9.99, though! Seems like a great price considering dual magazine kits are usually $15.

Ando
11-28-2011, 10:41 AM
Nice! Too bad my apartment reached its breaking point with toys and collectibles about a year ago. Having said that, I really liked that mini-drum and may just get a few and keep them in my trunk with my Stampedes.

JediTricks
11-29-2011, 08:39 PM
Wow, $10? That's really swank! Too bad there's not another new N-Strike blaster to buy with it.

LTBasker
11-30-2011, 07:02 PM
Well, poking around Singapore Nerf's forum, I found them discussing a new N-Strike blaster! :D It's a bullpup SMG that takes streamline magazines using the Barricade's technology and also has a new type of magazine to make use of the glow in the dark darts (but can take any magazine). And there's also a pistol version of the Dart Tag Speed Swarm.

http://urbantaggers.blogspot.com/2011/10/preview-nerf-n-strike-rayven-cs-18.html
http://nerfsg.freeforums.org/new-2011-2012-nerf-blasters-spotted-online-t3264.html
http://www.sgnerf.blogspot.com/2011/10/nerf-dart-tag-speedswarm-review.html

There's also a new Super Soaker so I'm guessing this is part of their Spring releases.

JediTricks
12-01-2011, 04:11 PM
That's wild, but it'll be mondo expensive! Dual battery systems in one box? I'm thinking at least $35 for a rather small blaster. Still, nice they finally did a new one.

Bel-Cam Jos
12-03-2011, 10:26 AM
Last night, the grandson of the gathering's host brought out his Nerf gun (sorry; I'm not as well-versed in the arsenal to tell you the model) with a flashligth taped under the barrel. Maximizing his out-in-the-dark backyard time with his friends; smart!

JediTricks
12-04-2011, 06:09 PM
Risky, if the tape doesn't hold, you end up with a wobbly tactical light, gives away your position. ;)


I saw a new Nerf blaster at Target the other day, it was a new single-shot that came with, I believe, a whistler dart. It was $6 on a cardback with the impulse buys, and it had a plumbing look to it, a pipe with an angled bend, in N-strike colors, and used a simple single plunger as the grip and trigger. I didn't end up picking it up because it seemed a little overpriced compared to other single-shot Nerf dart guns.

LTBasker
12-09-2011, 03:08 AM
Oh, you mean the Jolt? It's a funky yet fun little gun. It's a bit smaller than the Secret Strike, and yet it shoots better than those Reflex pistols. When I first saw pictures of it I didn't think it was real since it was so far removed from the design aesthetics of the N-Strike stuff, and yet I was really interested in it for the very utilitarian design - which I very much enjoy. Since I had the Secret Strike and Reflex, though, I wasn't sure about getting it but a week ago I was at K-Mart and it was the first time I found it. With a $5 pricetag there, I wasn't going to grab it but it had been a disappointing trip until that find and my Mom found some stuff to buy, so I went ahead and, well, pulled the trigger. :p

It turned out to be pretty great! It has a hefty pull on its charging handle which seems to be due to some decent spring power to it; despite being smaller than the Secret Strike, it fires harder than the Reflex. It also sounds more impressive than the Reflex when firing. Overall, this would definitely be worth $3-4, but at $5-6 it's only really justifiable if you can compare it to the disappointment of the Reflex and Secret Strike - or really, really need a Derringer type of pistol. It's not the most comfortable to hold due to a lot of straight edges, but it's decent enough for quick usage and it's certainly more comfortable than the Secret Strike, which can be difficult to grip reliably; or the Reflex, which is uncomfortable with the two lower fingers dangling freely. It's also much easier to reliably aim given the full grip and the sights on top.

Also, as a birthday present I got the Target exclusive Magstrike AS-10, which turned out to be a far more enjoyable gun than I thought it would be. It's incredibly awkward to handle, but once you can get the thing pumped to full pressure (which is difficult to determine, it should have a gauge like past Super Soakers) it has an impressive sound and feedback to it as it cycles through its clip*. It's really kind of like a blowback feature, but without anything actually blowing back. It's just really cool to see the clip rise out of the top - although it's difficult to enjoy at its fullest potential since it's very difficult to do a single shot. It's best to be prepared to empty the clip in one go, which was okay with whistler darts but made awesome with suction darts (similar to the Barricade, really).

It's just such a strange design, though... It seems like it's designed to be complicated for looks, and yet when you really examine how it works then it actually seems like a minimal design. Kind of like function over form over function, in which it's designed to have the simplest casing around its feature, and yet its design is stylized and not too friendly for comfortable handling unless you stick with one hand. It's pretty much pointless to shoulder the paintball-inspired stock since it just makes it more strange to hold as you try to find a comfortable place for your second hand. Just a very awkward gun, yet it's so incredibly fun to fire a volley of 10 suction darts at once. The Barricade is fun with that as well, but the Magstrike's rate of fire is so quick that it's almost more of a shotgun effect. Although, I think if it weren't an exclusive gun then it'd be only $15, so it's overpriced and certainly not something you'd want to wield as a primary. It doesn't have spare clips available, it takes 15+/- pumps to get a full charge, and the lack of a reliable semi-fire just doesn't make it a worthwhile primary weapon - but I swear if you had this as a back-up that it would scare the daylights out of whoever receives its full volley. Just too bad you can't have it slung behind your back as it lacks sling mounts. Oh, and the rail is useless because it's something like 1-2mm too thin and anything mounted on it easily comes loose.

*- This is the only Nerf ammo holder I feel could actually be called a clip due to it being more the nature of an actual clip rather than a magazine. Even though it has to house the darts somewhat in order to keep them secure, they more clipped in rather than stored within, like a magazine. Actually, it kind of reminds me of the M1 Garand clip, especially given that it is practically ejected when emptied (it just doesn't fly out). Kind of ironic given that it's the Magstrike while the guns fed by magazines are referred to as clipshot.

Btw, both Target and TRU are having Buy-One-Get-One 50% Off sales that Nerf counts in, and TRU.com has the bonus pack Raider with spare drum magazine available again at $28.

LTBasker
12-11-2011, 10:10 PM
So, I got the Alpha Trooper as a late b-day gift, but it's possibly a lemon? The pump action is very unreliable and I have to slam AND hold the foregrip forward in order for it to feed through the darts properly, which is mostly fine on slam-fire but very annoying for individual shots in which I let go of the foregrip and hold one-handed or hold it by the base of the barrel. It's very common for the foregrip to slip back a little after loading a new shot which makes it not **** properly. Generally when that happens, even if I slam it forward again, it slips back a bit. If hold it forward then it will **** it but it will have very weak pressure to it. Has anybody else experienced this with their Troopers? It doesn't seem to be too rare of a problem according to google, but I haven't seen it mentioned in reviews. I want to take it back, but I'm worried that won't help as some people have picked up two at a time and both had the problem. Plus, even the closest Target is a long drive.

Upon analyzing it compared to the Recon, though, I bet the muzzle was originally supposed to be modular. The Raider and Barricade both have unique muzzles, but the Trooper's is strangely just too thin - but the Recon barrel can fit onto it. It just can't lock. I think originally the Trooper was supposed to be a larger gun, and its strange barrel shape was supposed to match that of the base of the Recon's barrel, so it could take it. But, for some reason or another, they scaled the gun down slightly. This seems most evident by observing that the handle of the Trooper and the Recon are the exact same design, but the Trooper's is slimmer.

The scaling down probably made the muzzle too thin to accept other barrels and was prone to easy breakage, so they took away the extra layering that had the notches for the barrel attachments to lock into, thus why it's so close in appearance to the modular muzzle. Between the cocking/loading problem and realizing it has such lost potential, I'm very disappointed with the gun. I still like the design... but I don't know. Should I try to exchange it for another or just get my money back? Or, try to go through Hasbro's customer service?

JediTricks
12-13-2011, 03:54 PM
Oh, you mean the Jolt? It's a funky yet fun little gun. It's a bit smaller than the Secret Strike, and yet it shoots better than those Reflex pistols. When I first saw pictures of it I didn't think it was real since it was so far removed from the design aesthetics of the N-Strike stuff, and yet I was really interested in it for the very utilitarian design - which I very much enjoy. Since I had the Secret Strike and Reflex, though, I wasn't sure about getting it but a week ago I was at K-Mart and it was the first time I found it. With a $5 pricetag there, I wasn't going to grab it but it had been a disappointing trip until that find and my Mom found some stuff to buy, so I went ahead and, well, pulled the trigger. :p

It turned out to be pretty great! It has a hefty pull on its charging handle which seems to be due to some decent spring power to it; despite being smaller than the Secret Strike, it fires harder than the Reflex. It also sounds more impressive than the Reflex when firing. Overall, this would definitely be worth $3-4, but at $5-6 it's only really justifiable if you can compare it to the disappointment of the Reflex and Secret Strike - or really, really need a Derringer type of pistol. It's not the most comfortable to hold due to a lot of straight edges, but it's decent enough for quick usage and it's certainly more comfortable than the Secret Strike, which can be difficult to grip reliably; or the Reflex, which is uncomfortable with the two lower fingers dangling freely. It's also much easier to reliably aim given the full grip and the sights on top.

Also, as a birthday present I got the Target exclusive Magstrike AS-10, which turned out to be a far more enjoyable gun than I thought it would be. It's incredibly awkward to handle, but once you can get the thing pumped to full pressure (which is difficult to determine, it should have a gauge like past Super Soakers) it has an impressive sound and feedback to it as it cycles through its clip*. It's really kind of like a blowback feature, but without anything actually blowing back. It's just really cool to see the clip rise out of the top - although it's difficult to enjoy at its fullest potential since it's very difficult to do a single shot. It's best to be prepared to empty the clip in one go, which was okay with whistler darts but made awesome with suction darts (similar to the Barricade, really).

It's just such a strange design, though... It seems like it's designed to be complicated for looks, and yet when you really examine how it works then it actually seems like a minimal design. Kind of like function over form over function, in which it's designed to have the simplest casing around its feature, and yet its design is stylized and not too friendly for comfortable handling unless you stick with one hand. It's pretty much pointless to shoulder the paintball-inspired stock since it just makes it more strange to hold as you try to find a comfortable place for your second hand. Just a very awkward gun, yet it's so incredibly fun to fire a volley of 10 suction darts at once. The Barricade is fun with that as well, but the Magstrike's rate of fire is so quick that it's almost more of a shotgun effect. Although, I think if it weren't an exclusive gun then it'd be only $15, so it's overpriced and certainly not something you'd want to wield as a primary. It doesn't have spare clips available, it takes 15+/- pumps to get a full charge, and the lack of a reliable semi-fire just doesn't make it a worthwhile primary weapon - but I swear if you had this as a back-up that it would scare the daylights out of whoever receives its full volley. Just too bad you can't have it slung behind your back as it lacks sling mounts. Oh, and the rail is useless because it's something like 1-2mm too thin and anything mounted on it easily comes loose.

*- This is the only Nerf ammo holder I feel could actually be called a clip due to it being more the nature of an actual clip rather than a magazine. Even though it has to house the darts somewhat in order to keep them secure, they more clipped in rather than stored within, like a magazine. Actually, it kind of reminds me of the M1 Garand clip, especially given that it is practically ejected when emptied (it just doesn't fly out). Kind of ironic given that it's the Magstrike while the guns fed by magazines are referred to as clipshot.

Btw, both Target and TRU are having Buy-One-Get-One 50% Off sales that Nerf counts in, and TRU.com has the bonus pack Raider with spare drum magazine available again at $28.Yes, the Jolt is indeed the one I meant. It really shoots better than the Secret Strike or Reflex? I wonder if I should get it instead of the Star Wars DC-17.

Glad to hear you enjoyed the Magstrike. It looks way too awkward for my arsenal due to the shape and the pump reservoir, but I liked the idea behind it. That's crazy that they got its tac rail wrong though.

JediTricks
12-13-2011, 03:56 PM
So, I got the Alpha Trooper as a late b-day gift, but it's possibly a lemon? The pump action is very unreliable and I have to slam AND hold the foregrip forward in order for it to feed through the darts properly, which is mostly fine on slam-fire but very annoying for individual shots in which I let go of the foregrip and hold one-handed or hold it by the base of the barrel. It's very common for the foregrip to slip back a little after loading a new shot which makes it not **** properly. Generally when that happens, even if I slam it forward again, it slips back a bit. If hold it forward then it will **** it but it will have very weak pressure to it. Has anybody else experienced this with their Troopers? It doesn't seem to be too rare of a problem according to google, but I haven't seen it mentioned in reviews. I want to take it back, but I'm worried that won't help as some people have picked up two at a time and both had the problem. Plus, even the closest Target is a long drive.

Upon analyzing it compared to the Recon, though, I bet the muzzle was originally supposed to be modular. The Raider and Barricade both have unique muzzles, but the Trooper's is strangely just too thin - but the Recon barrel can fit onto it. It just can't lock. I think originally the Trooper was supposed to be a larger gun, and its strange barrel shape was supposed to match that of the base of the Recon's barrel, so it could take it. But, for some reason or another, they scaled the gun down slightly. This seems most evident by observing that the handle of the Trooper and the Recon are the exact same design, but the Trooper's is slimmer.

The scaling down probably made the muzzle too thin to accept other barrels and was prone to easy breakage, so they took away the extra layering that had the notches for the barrel attachments to lock into, thus why it's so close in appearance to the modular muzzle. Between the cocking/loading problem and realizing it has such lost potential, I'm very disappointed with the gun. I still like the design... but I don't know. Should I try to exchange it for another or just get my money back? Or, try to go through Hasbro's customer service?Yes, return it, the Alpha Trooper doesn't behave like that, it's a VERY easy one to use usually.

LTBasker
12-13-2011, 11:42 PM
Yes, the Jolt is indeed the one I meant. It really shoots better than the Secret Strike or Reflex? I wonder if I should get it instead of the Star Wars DC-17.

I forgot all about those DC-17s, it's kind of surprising they didn't seem to have any sales on those this season. But, yeah, it's definitely better than the Reflex. I'd say the Secret Strike nearly shoots about the same if you pump it enough, but the Jolt has a tighter barrel which I think is giving it a better seal and thus gets a bit more power to it.


Glad to hear you enjoyed the Magstrike. It looks way too awkward for my arsenal due to the shape and the pump reservoir, but I liked the idea behind it. That's crazy that they got its tac rail wrong though.

Yeah, that's why I wasn't going to pick it up. Plus, they've never sold spare clips for it so it's very limiting. It's apparently had the rail on top ever since it debuted for Dart Tag in '04 or '06, so I'm wondering if they had to re-cast it for N-Strike and it ended up slightly off because of that.


Yes, return it, the Alpha Trooper doesn't behave like that, it's a VERY easy one to use usually.

Oh ok, thanks. Since Target is a bit of a pain to get to lately I checked with Hasbro's customer service and they'll be replacing it. The post office shoooouuuuuld be much easier to get to, I'm just waiting for word on whether or not I may be able to keep the drum magazine.

JediTricks
12-15-2011, 05:00 PM
Glad Hasbro is going to make-good. I was allowed to keep my busted blaster, drum mag and all, but that was on a blaster I suspect was notorious for failure - usually they want everything back. But good luck, hopefully you'll get to keep yours.

LTBasker
12-27-2011, 11:47 AM
Oh yeah, forgot to update that they told me to send in the gun and the drum mag, but I got to keep the darts. :p I'm just waiting to get it back, hopefully it won't take too long.

The Rayven appears it'll be coming out soon, estimates being the end of January at the latest. Wal-Mart already has it on their site, though no price announced yet: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nerf-N-Strike-Rayven-CS-18-Blaster/19592177

JediTricks
12-27-2011, 01:19 PM
Sorry to hear you didn't get to keep the drum mag, but at least you got the darts.

Interesting on the Rayven. I'm still curious about the price, I suspect $35 based on it being 2 battery systems, but the blaster being too small to compete with $40-range blasters like the Stampede.

I received the Nerf Dart Tag Swarmfire for xmas, but haven't picked up the 6 C batteries it's hungry for yet. The blaster is WAY nose-heavy, even before it swallows those batteries, and it's almost silly-big. It has no tac-rails, it does have a removable stock but uses a custom system (and the blaster becomes entirely unwieldy without the tiny amount of balance that stock adds). The grip is a little obnoxiously-raked, it's so far forward that it weakens the wrist holding it. The darts are a little shorter than the streamlines, this is my first experience with them, they're pseudo-velcro and surprisingly they whistle better than whistlers (I tried them in my Maverick). The blaster's face holds all 20 darts on 2 circles that staggers darts inner and outer, and I think it's a hammer w/ plunger system that is big enough to hit both the inner and outer holes. Anyway, hopefully later today I'll have the batteries and can give a firing report.

LTBasker
12-27-2011, 06:23 PM
I think you're right on the money there, this shows up on google shopping search: http://www.rcgonow.com/hasbro-nerf-n-strike-rayven-blaster-hsb34069.html

So, maybe about $35 at Wal-Mart and such?

Also, this is completely unrelated to the Rayven but it's very strange. Over the past few weeks there have been Pinpoint sights popping up for sale from sellers in Malaysia, but they have their box packaging rather than the mission kit packaging that the previous releases had. Oh, and they charge generally about $60 for them, or $50 + $10 shipping. But, it was only the occasional one and now they're really starting to show up in larger numbers. Here's the most recent auction, which even only wants $55 instead of $60 per each one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nerf-Pinpoint-Sight-/270881026840?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f11c47318

Other auctions have shown the packaging is just a box and the sight is held in a plastic tray. Do you think this is evidence that the pinpoints are being produced again and leaked, or that this is likely a bootleg production?

JediTricks
12-28-2011, 08:28 PM
First off, I just saw the Rayven at Target Culver City, it was $30, and in a small enough box that it generally would be a $15 to $20 blaster, so my fears were founded. I couldn't "pull the trigger" (heh) on that price, but I did carry it around for a while thinking about it.

I did however buy the 16-pack of glow-in-the-dark Streamlines for $5 which were on pegs above it and in the same packaging style (N-strike but darker). The GITD streamlines are WAY nicer than the previous GITD darts, these have white bodies and heads, all of which glow instead of just the head (the old darts - suction or whistler, I think, I have a pack around here somewhere - had stickers to go around the bodies so they'd glow). However, without the Firefly to light them, you have to leave them out (or hit them with something that puts out a bit of UV light, such as a strong white-LED flashlight) and make sure to charge the backs or else the fun is pretty much lost when the shooter can't see them. They don't glow all that brightly, to be honest, even after well-charging them, and they don't hold much glow. If you were to add a blacklight to the play environment however, they'd probably come alive in a significant manner.


As for the Pinpoint, I would imagine it's a new push by Hasbro. Today alone at TRU I saw the Big Bad Bow, the Unity Power System, and the Firefly, all of which are pretty darn old. And why not? They're barely supporting N-Strike right now with new product, the old products aren't moving as well so there's no need for exclusivity on accessories.


I saw a bunch of Jolts at TRU La Cienega today, I almost bought a few on B2G1, but I'm so broke from xmas that I held back. They weren't at the 2nd TRU I went to a few miles away, oddly.


Back to the Swarmfire I got, I finally found some C batteries in town (they are sold way down for xmas, I guess) at a non-psycho price - it's WAY front-heavy now, and the stock is a must as this thing is a wrist-breaker without it. The grip and stock are way more similar to the N-Strike Longstrike than I had realized (except this stock is removable and doesn't hold clips), but that's a friggin' sniper rifle while this is pretty much the opposite. Firing is fairly quick, about 2 darts per second, and often a quick trigger pull will either not fire at all or fire 2 shots at once depending on where the gearing stops, so it's not ideal for single-shot use (although it's not terrible here). Distance is middling using the included darts at straight, at best we're talking 15 feet to a 5' drop, but as with many Nerf dart guns, a little ballistic arc drastically affects range, though I'd still say it's a 25-footer at best using dart-tag darts. Accuracy is alright for a gun with no sights, not too much variance or wobble. It's no worse to reload than any other NERF gun that uses a lot of darts, but since it's not a removable mag in any way, it's pretty useless after its 20, which is a bit of a bummer for something this big. Annoyingly, it's clear that Hasbro COULD have made the entire face removable, you could carry multiple faces full of darts and just snap them onto the center spindle instead of leaving it screwed down - based on the info I've seen about modding it, Hasbro would have had NO trouble getting that system to work, but for some reason the NERF team seems a tad lazy (and it's possible they don't exist, being culled from other teams).

The biggest annoyance on the Swarmfire, even before the single-use nature and the weight and the lack of distance, is that the Nerf Dart-Tag system uses longer dart pegs than N-strike, so it cannot shoot Streamlines! While the tag-darts are comparable to other micro-darts in size and shape, I guess they're not carrying a weighted peg into the body where Streamlines do, so at best you can only get them to dribble out. Conversely, tag-darts work fine in the Maverick and any blaster that doesn't use clips or drums.

JediTricks
12-29-2011, 03:36 PM
A little update on the Firefly Streamline darts, they have a fatal flaw: the backs CAN'T glow! The center cores and outer portions of the dart body glow, but the backs will not glow no matter what you put on them - I used an LED blacklight and they still wouldn't react. The surface of the dart body seems to have a unique texture to it and feels a little stronger than regular Nerf darts, the interior also, I suspect that's from the chemical that makes them glow, but I suspect the foam nature of the extruded backs doesn't have enough surface area to emit any noticeable light. Without glowing backs, what's the point of having GITD darts since you, the shooter, can't see them flying? That is a let-down for me. They're the same price as regular Streamlines and fire fine and have a nice white color instead of milky green like most GITD items, but it's still not as cool as it could have been.

LTBasker
12-29-2011, 06:10 PM
That's very weird, you'd think they'd glow all over. Maybe the production process has them secured at the end when the chemical is applied (though I would've figured it would be mixed in with the foam)? At least they sound worth getting for the white appearance, I was a bit concerned that they'd have a green tint as you noted with other items. Of course, the Whiteout series (especially the Longstrikes) seem to have dried up, so no idea if I'll have that reason to get them.

Kind of nice to hear that the Rayven is only $30, although there was a video (I can't find it at the moment) where someone laid a Recon without stock or barrel added to it and the Rayven was only about 1" longer. That's a pretty small gun for $30, especially since its tech was only last used in the $15 Barricade. I guess it makes sense that the magazine costs $15, but... I really wish they had just made it a separate release. The Rayven would be a much welcomed replacement to the Barricade. Can you believe that thing has 6 separate releases, so far? Maybe 7? I don't know if it's part of Target's clear series yet. I really, really, want it but it's definitely a wait for a good bonus pack or a sale.

Thanks for the detailed info on the Swarmfire, it's one I've been very curious about. The design struck me as a very scifi-ish design and thought the darts firing off of a spinning head would've been great - but the weight sounds terrible. It sounds like it'd be a killer on the wrist, and for little payoff for the automatic fire feature compared to the Stampede. I'm curious if they'll be keeping it around once its little brother (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh_9lZbWt3k) is released?

JediTricks
12-30-2011, 04:43 PM
Target had the Magstrike on clearance last night for $11, but I passed at the time, and now I'm rethinking it.


Since the cores glow as much as the exteriors, I don't think it's a coating, there's no reason or even an easy way to coat the insides, so I think it's the flaw of the foam ends, which are aimed the wrong way being perpendicular to the flat sides. It is a real oddity though. But they do look good in white. It's odd that there's 16 in a pack when the Rayven holds 18 though. :p

I am tempted to go to Target and buy it today, they're having a buy a blaster, get a pack of darts free, which I could then apply against the ones I bought 2 days ago, making the Rayven $25. But the Rayven is so small and I am pretty darn broke now. Plus, I really don't like that you have to hold down a trigger just to get the flywheel going, then hit the main trigger to fire darts, that turned me off to it a little. And this photo says way too much about the size against the pricepoint: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H7F5Yojr-74/TvgdJRe42pI/AAAAAAAAEZA/YV0Ng21G56U/s1600/Nerf%2BRayven%2B-%2B24.JPG I know it's based on a PDR which is intentionally a small format for submachine guns, but the pricepoint doesn't bear this out too well.

It does look really cool with a 6-shot clip though, and with the Recon's barrel and a pinpoint sight: http://sgnerf.blogspot.com/2011/12/nerf-rayven-cs-18-review_25.html

The Barricade has never interested me in the least, I don't like the concept or design, but the fact that they have pushed out so many in so short a time is very surprising. It's such an unattractive blaster and so convoluted and expensive for a blaster that was supposed to inherit the Maverick's place.


Sure thing on the Swarmfire. I saw its little brother, the SpeedSwarm, at Target, didn't realize it was new. That blaster looks like JUNK! Who names such a slow blaster Speed-anything?!? The Swarmfire's rate is faster, way more satisfying, and doesn't need so much rev-up time. Assuming Dart Tag doesn't just die out this year, I suspect the Swarmfire will have quite a few years left at market, it's fairly new. Hasbro seems to do Nerf in pricepoints and stick to those until a new one at that pricepoint replaces it, so until a better $30

LTBasker
01-06-2012, 10:34 PM
Saw the Rayven recently at Target for $32.99... yeah, that's not gonna happen for awhile. I really think it should have at least come with a new modular barrel.

Had quite a shocking find tonight: a Whiteout series Longstrike. I haven't seen them since the holiday shopping season really began and was concerned I missed them for good, and it was the only one on the shelf. Fortunately, had just enough on a gift card to grab it. Pretty nice gun, and I'm glad I went with the white version as it really stands out in my collection aside from just being the tallest.

Also, got my pair of ammo cases in the mail finally. They're smaller than expected but still pretty nifty, I was hoping to fit my pair of Raider drum magazines in one box, but no dice. Just another quarter inch all around would've done it, I think. On the brightside, I'm able to fit all three of the Stampede's extended mags, two regular mags, and two Alpha drum mags (picked up another individual drum mag at Target recently) without having to force anything. Annoyingly, however, they don't quite fit 300 darts. About 225 is the comfortable maximum that it can hold, which is still significant but it says 300. I suppose 300 might fit if you wanted to spend hours neatly stacking them in one at a time, though.

If anyone's been wanting a Vortex Nitron, Walmart has a bonus pack available that comes with a spare 20-round magazine which seem to only be available with the Nitron at the moment. http://www.walmart.com/ip/NERF-Vortex-Nitron-Value-Pack/17254797

JediTricks
01-08-2012, 05:38 PM
Wow, 2 of those reviews on that WM link were so bad, how exactly is it the toy's fault that your dog ate one of the discs?!?

LTBasker
03-23-2012, 07:49 PM
I'm not sure about Target or TRU, but all the Wal-Marts around here have adjusted the Rayven price to $25. Much more fitting. Makes me more enticed to pick one up, but I'm still waiting on some sort of value/bonus pack.

Apparently that boxed version of the Pinpoint sight that has been showing up on ebay for several months is part of a promotion in Singapore where it's free with a Nerf purchase, but not available for sale by itself. http://www.sgnerf.blogspot.com/2012/03/nerf-pinpoint-sight-promo-version.html

I'm envious. I still want one. :(

JediTricks
03-24-2012, 02:38 PM
I finally picked up a Jolt, it's VERY good, and I'm glad it has whistlers because the Jolt's quiet mechanism finally makes it easy to hear whistlers whistle (my first-gen Maverick is so loud that it covers it up). The Jolt reminds me of the Noisy Cricket from MIB. My mom dropped by my place and liked it so much that when Target stocked it in their Easter treats area, she immediately bought it. The Jolt's distance and accuracy are great with the Firefly darts too, you can see them glowing THROUGH the barrel, and I finally can see them glowing from the back as they are fired.


As for the Rayven, I saw it at Target yesterday still at $30. $25 is getting closer to reasonable, but I am hoping to see it for $20 - I've grown somewhat cold to the design due to the awkward flywheel-trigger layout. I could still be swayed though, but at $25 it'd have to wait until next month as I've spent too much this month. :p

LTBasker
03-25-2012, 04:02 PM
Nice! Yeah, the Jolt continues to be a great little pistol. I have to wonder if it was a testbed of sorts for the upcoming N-Strike Elite line, which they boast a 75 foot range for. I doubt, of course, they'll really be capable of hitting that, but as long they're similar or better than the Jolt then that should be cool.

Speaking of Target, it looks like their site has the Rayven at $25, plus they offer a limited $5 coupon code: PAKXTB65

So, not bad, as long as you have another $30 worth of stuff to get free shipping.

JediTricks
03-25-2012, 05:53 PM
I hadn't heard about the N-Strike Elite, just saw it on the Hasbro Nerf site, looks like it's cobbling together parts from the existing N-Strike line with a new core launch system (because that dart cgi looks exactly like a streamline). The Jolt I doubt is a testbed though as it's painfully simple, just a plunger and spring. To defeat that 35' distance ceiling, they'd need to change both the dart and the air delivery system considerably. I suppose they could remove the air restrictor cores of the darts, that would create a bigger pressure-catch, and that might add weight and balance to help carry it straight farther. I certainly don't see how a long-barrel N-Strike rifle like that one shown in the Elite video will go longer than the Jolt though, those barrels bleed off your distance. Still, nice to see they haven't abandoned N-Strike and its rail system.


Interesting find on the Rayven for $20, too bad it's online-only as their shipping kills those savings unless, as you mentioned, you keep spending to get free shipping.

JediTricks
03-29-2012, 09:20 PM
The Rayven went on sale for $25 in-store at Target from the 25th through the 31st. I don't know about the $5 coupon situation though.

JediTricks
12-28-2012, 04:45 PM
TRU was selling the Rayven clip with glow darts, and a clear 18 clip with 18 Elite darts - $20 and $13, respectively. I saw those sets at Target as well, but can't be sure of the price as I wasn't paying that much attention.

TRU is currently having a bogo 50% off sale going on for all Nerf.

TRU also today had the Elite line's new entry-level blaster, the Triad EX-3, so I bought it. The Triad was $8 and is clearly the Jolt's big brother, at about 40% bigger but the same general layout. The chief difference however is in the name, it has 3 active barrels in an upside-down triangle configuration. The Triad is a single-fire weapon however, and knows when a barrel is or isn't loaded, firing in an anti-clockwise fashion after each plunger-pull, while avoiding empty barrels. The Triad uses all darts except classic streamlines, which have the internal tip-core that keeps the ends from engaging the barrel-check system, but if there's any other kind of dart in one of the barrels then it can fire classic streamlines loaded into the other 2 barrels at the same time, giving you 2 streamlines and an Elite all firing at once, albeit at reduced power since it's sharing that firing across 3 darts. The ergonomics are scaled-up from the Jolt until you get to the top where it gets much bigger since it's holding 3 darts and a barrel-distribution system at the chunky back. There is a well-defined "iron sight", no N-strike rail system. Plunger pull on the Triad is longer and a little easier than on the Jolt, but has no release holes so dry-firing causes a slow return. Pulling the plunger will vacuum-load whistlers and dart-tag darts, but for some reason it won't seat the Elite darts (it'll partly seat the #2 barrel's dart, upper right). In terms of pocketability, where the Jolt fits nicely, the Triad pushes it to the edge of almost not fitting.

All in all, the Triad is a very good update to the Jolt, you get 3 shots in a palm-sized blaster using the Jolt's excellent plunger-grip design. I don't have any other Elite blasters to compare the Triad to, but on its own its an impressive entry indoors, I'll test it outdoors later.

Since the sale was BOGO50%off, with the Triad I also picked up a 30-pack of the Elite darts - my first foray into this world. I just found out that the 30-pack is $3 cheaper at Target while the 18-clip is only $2 cheaper, dangit. Oh well. Anyway, the Elite dart is the same exterior dimensions as the Streamline, but the tip is what makes it different - the tip is a harder rubber, and has no internal core running into the body of the dart. I tested the Elite vs the Streamline in my first-gen Maverick, the Elite had better range but not better punch. The Elite darts fly farther from the Triad and Jolt than they do from the first-gen Maverick, I did not observe any difference in flight / speed between the Jolt and Triad though. The Elite darts fit in Dart Tag guns, my Swarmfire now has something to shoot that isn't velcro, but performance in the Swarmfire with the Elite darts is no more impressive than a regular Streamline in a regular N-Strike blaster, which is to say middling - still: 20 shots, no waiting. My Stampede, Raider, Alpha Trooper, and Recon are currently behind a bunch of boxes so I haven't tried the Elites in them yet.

Darth Metalmute
12-28-2012, 06:17 PM
My son got the hail fire for Christmas. Not a bad weapon, but it has some problems. First the gun only comes with 4 clips which makes the gun hard/impossible to hold when they are all on one side. They make a upgrade kit, which luckily his uncle did. Second, the clean out compartment doesn't "lock". I put the gun together, installed the batteries, and the gun wouldn't fire. I looked all over for a problem, almost broke the thing, and ending up taking it apart and putting it back together before I realized that the clean out compartment door wasn't shut.

He also got one of those disc guns, I can't recall which one. Warning, those disc sting when hit in the face...

JediTricks
12-28-2012, 06:45 PM
Yeah, the Hailfire looks like a really odd design, it doesn't surprise me that it's hard to wield and assemble, but it does surprise me that it's hard to use. I gave the Hailfire 4-clip upgrade kit to my cousin's 2 late-teen sons to bolster the Alpha Troopers I got them, we were checking out the back of the box showing the Hailfire and discussing how odd it was.

Man, the Vortex disc blasters are not popular around here. They do sting like hell though, I shot myself intentionally in the leg to compare it to the regular Streamline darts and they are nasty thanks to the thick rubber core frisbee type design.

LTBasker
01-10-2013, 10:01 PM
I haven't been paying too much attention to the Elite stuff, but it seems like a slew of new blasters are making their way out to stores. The one I've seen the most so far is the Stryfe, which is basically a magazine-fed Barricade. Or, a non-bullpup Rayven. Which is apparently being repainted and released under a new name but still with the firefly magazine gimmick.

I'm not sure if it's due to that impending repaint or if it's just a clearance of the N-Strike stuff, but tonight my holding off finally worked out and I picked up a Rayven for $9.50 on clearance at Walmart. Pictures cannot properly translate how tiny the Rayven is, it doesn't even feel as hefty as the Recon in pistol form. But, after getting used to the size, I've found I like it quite a bit. It was a pleasant surprise to find that it's not nearly as loud as the Barricade and it seems like it has a more consistent fire rate.

JediTricks
01-11-2013, 09:46 PM
The Elite Rayven's name is unchanged, still the Rayven CS-18, just now in the "N-Strike Elite" brand and dress. Apparently it runs glow elite darts, and they want a whopping $40 for it on HTS so perhaps they upgraded the flywheel system to work stronger a la the Elite springs in other blasters.

Awesome pickup on the Rayven at that price. Is it really as tiny as you say, or is the bullpup design making it feel smaller? The point of bullpup is to make a weapon's footprint smaller, after all. Smaller than a nude Recon is brutal, the Recon is lighter than the Maverick. Is the flywheel trigger a dealbreaker or acceptable? I keep looking at the blaster but its high price and flywheel design are offputting at full price.

LTBasker
01-13-2013, 03:11 AM
The Elite Rayven's name is unchanged, still the Rayven CS-18, just now in the "N-Strike Elite" brand and dress. Apparently it runs glow elite darts, and they want a whopping $40 for it on HTS so perhaps they upgraded the flywheel system to work stronger a la the Elite springs in other blasters.

Ohh ok, I didn't expect that. Since the Recon and Raider were renamed I thought the name of that was still pending. I haven't seen it on the HTS site, but, really, $40?! That's just insane. The Stryfe is practically the same gun with more capability given its modular points, and that's only $20. So... they're offering two very similar guns, and the major gimmick (the firefly magazine) of the pricier one is available separately. It's nice to have the bullpup or standard option, but what a ludicrous mark up even if it will shoot further.


Awesome pickup on the Rayven at that price. Is it really as tiny as you say, or is the bullpup design making it feel smaller? The point of bullpup is to make a weapon's footprint smaller, after all. Smaller than a nude Recon is brutal, the Recon is lighter than the Maverick. Is the flywheel trigger a dealbreaker or acceptable? I keep looking at the blaster but its high price and flywheel design are offputting at full price.

I think you're right with the bullpup design throwing off perspective. The height is about the same as the Recon and it's longer than the nude Recon by about 7", which is all its stock/magazine well. However, its thickness is more comparable to the Alpha Trooper, especially with the pistol grip. It does feel much lighter, even with the batteries in the gun and magazine, but I think that's because the weight is more spread out and pushing backwards into your shoulder rather than all of it being centralized above/in front of your hand.

As for the function... I'm enjoying it a lot and it further shows how much of a waste the feature was/is in the Barricade. I was concerned that the flywheel button would stick out too much and make it feel awkward, but it's not obtrusive at all. Plus, you can single-handedly empty a full 35 round drum. Granted, you can do that on full auto with the Stampede but that sucker is a bit too heavy after awhile when trying to only use one arm. Plus the consistent WHHRRRR (which, unlike the Barricade, is muffled due to being deeper within the gun) is preferable to the Stampede's sewing machine KA-CHINGKA-CHINGKA-CHING.

By the way, for anyone interested in picking up the Hailfire, I saw a couple value packs that include four more magazines, pretty much saving you the $20 from having to buy the additional kit. It's tempting to get it due to the convenience of getting all the magazines you need at once, but the gun just seems so awkward. If you're going to look for it, the easiest way to notice is that the value packs have "Walmart Exclusive" stickers on the front.

JediTricks
01-13-2013, 03:25 PM
The Stampede doesn't like either of the current drum mags, it jams with them where it doesn't with clips. Originally the Stampede was designed to work with a new 50-round drum but that was scrapped, possibly because it didn't work right with the blaster.

So the warm-up time on the flywheel isn't an issue for the Rayven?

The Hailfire kit is 4 more 6-shot mags and darts, from what I read yesterday, which IMO is not worth the effort. If I'm going to have such an unwieldy, ridiculous weapon, it's surely not going to be sporting those little mags, what's the point? Yeah, it's 48 darts, but at what cost?

LTBasker
01-13-2013, 06:00 PM
The Stampede does okay with the 35 round drum mag, I haven't tried the 18 version yet. It kinda of jams on occasion when you're just holding down the trigger for several shots, but just let go of the trigger, then pull it again, and it's fine. I haven't encountered a jam that required removing the drum mag and clearing out a dart.

The Rayven doesn't seem to need as much warm-up time as the Barricade, I only wait 1-2 seconds before firing. Thing is, whether you wait a few seconds to a whole half minute isn't going to matter, the accuracy past 8-10 feet is nonexistent. I think the bullpup design is slightly detrimental to the already iffy accuracy of flywheels since the darts aren't as stable, so it has more barrel to potentially rub against on the way out.

It actually gives a positive point to the Barricade which has a meager inch or two of barrel for the dart to pass through, so the darts are far less likely to hit the sides of the barrel on the way out. I hope we'll see either a pump-action bullpup design someday, or something like a bullpup Stampede. I think either one would be more reliable in terms of accuracy than the flywheels.

JediTricks
01-15-2013, 03:17 AM
Saw a new Elite blaster at Walmart tonight called the Strongarm. Similar to the Maverick except longer and with a much smaller cylinder, although it did still hold 6 darts. Used slam fire, cylinder rotates after the shot instead of before. Design is a little weird, big gap between the muzzle and the cylinder, and so wasteful to have such a small cylinder with slam fire when it could have held 8 or 10 just as easily with a slightly bigger cylinder. No price in the system yet, box was open and roughly same as Maverick, I would have bought but wm with no price is a waste of time.

LTBasker
01-15-2013, 05:08 PM
I believe it's supposed to be the replacement to the Maverick, but I think it misses the point of it. People seemed to like the Maverick so much since it look like a combination of iconic gun elements making for a fun exaggerated weapon that happened to be a good Nerf gun, rather than just a good Nerf gun that looks like a cool Nerf gun. The visibility of the darts certainly doesn't do it any favors.

It really seems more like an Elite update to the Spectre than the Maverick, especially with the separation of the rail and charging section. Although, at this point they may as well have left a rail off since there's such a lack of accessories in the Elite line. There's a new foregrip - yay.

They did an Elite repaint of the pinpoint red dot sight, but it was only offered as a freebie after buying a certain amount at Singapore TRUs. Hope we'll be seeing some new mission kits at some point.

JediTricks
01-15-2013, 07:43 PM
The more I look at it, the clearer the Maverick elements are, they used the same type of slide, grip, even the curved bulge behind the cylinder calls back to the Mav.

Your point on the visibility of the darts in the cylinder is so true, that really look away from it when I saw it in the store, reminds me of a knockoff dart blaster more than an N-Strike. Also, yeah, it does feel like it's trying to be an update from the Spectre in the wrong ways.

I'll probably still buy one, the only Elite I have so far is the Triad, which is fine but not fun in that way.