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JediTricks
08-27-2010, 03:06 PM
That's the question a 30-something woman asked me several times last night at Target while shopping for her kids.

She wanted all the main characters to give to her son and daughter, and struck up the conversation while looking for Luke, Leia, and Han. She already had Vader, R2, 3PO, and Chewie in her cart, having taken figures from both TVC and Saga Legends. I was glad to be able to help her find the last Luke Bespin and Leia Hoth in the house, as well as both the new TVC Han Hoth and the Saga Legends Han Hoth which led to a little confusion and discussion about why there were 2 of him on pegs at the same time.

She said she didn't care at all about "the new guys" from the prequel, adding that she didn't even know who they were really after seeing the films. That put a smirk on my face.

One of her issues while combing pegs was with a lack of Lukes available, and I was forced to agree since they had recently stocked and already there were no more Luke Snowspeeder Pilots, and just 1 deep-pegged Bespin Lukes. I have to say, considering the line right now is about ESB and its main hero is Luke Skywalker, the lack of Luke figures on peg is a missed opportunity. She clearly understood how Saga Legends was there to support TVC, so that line is doing its job in the larger reach, but it's a line without the main hero.

She also asked who the Dak figure was, when I told her she scoffed and said she didn't want that guy - we both chuckled.

Bottom line though was that she was one of the collector community who Hasbro was targeting, she had come back to the fold after a while - not sure how long, her question about why it had been so long since they came back could have meant since the '80s or could have meant this year, I wasn't entirely sure. But she was recalling the figures from her childhood when she was buying for her kids last night, so The Vintage Collection had clearly worked on her. But will it take advantage of that momentum once the prequels get added into the mix, and will Saga Legends help support it better than it has been lately? If this is a classic-collector grab, perhaps both lines need to work in concert better - there's still no Stormtrooper on pegs, and Luke should be everywhere again.

tagmac
08-27-2010, 03:21 PM
there's still no Stormtrooper on pegs

Well, technically they're starting to hit, albeit in the form of Sandtroopers and ROTS Clones. Better than nothing, I suppose.

DarkArtist
08-27-2010, 03:25 PM
I have to say that I'm surprised that Hasbro hasn't re-released the VOTC mold Stormtrooper as a GH figure in the vintage line or in the Saga Legends line...Stormies always sell.

as far as the sandtrooper goes true he's a good choice as it the upcoming EPIII Clonetrooper but SW still needs the classic shocktrooper of the Empire.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-27-2010, 03:34 PM
It's so refreshing to hear people who don't seem to degenerate collectors like us beign interested in the toys, not for their $$ value, but their :pleased: value.

If they are going to continue the movie waves (and somehow adding in different versions, a la Prequel Yoda on a ROJ card), there should be a basis of main characters from that film, plus the "cool" extra ones. Therefore:

ANH:
Tatooine Luke (yeah, yeah, I know)
Han
Leia
Chewie (done as a Saga Legends, though)
Vader (but he was on the ESB card already)
Stormtroopers
Imperial Officers
Tarkin
Ben Kenobi
R2, Threepio (already on ESB and ROJ)
Jawas
Rebel Pilots, Blockade Fighters
Some Rebel general (Dodonna?)
Some cantina alien(s) like Greedo (already Saga'd), Ithorian, Bith, Ponda, etc.
Some droid(s) like R5

TPM:
Tatooine Padme
Amidala (maybe a costume not yet in plastic)
Some handmaiden
Anakin
Qui-Gon
Obi-Wan
Jar-Jar
Maul
Battle Droid (tan color)
Threepio
Yoda
Mace
Sio Bibble?
Panaka
Some pod racer

ROTS:
Anakin
Sidious/Palpatine
Obi-Wan
Padme (again, in an unmade outfit)
Yoda (on that ROJ card?)
Bail
Grievous (already done... poorly)
Clone Trooper
Dooku (unless he's in the AOTC wave)

This might have been a better response from me in the "who should be made in Vintage" thread, sorry.

El Chuxter
08-27-2010, 03:58 PM
What's the matter with Vintage Grievous? Do you know something I don't?

I'm actually looking forward to a properly-scaled Grievous... with cape!

JediTricks
08-27-2010, 04:09 PM
Well, technically they're starting to hit, albeit in the form of Sandtroopers and ROTS Clones. Better than nothing, I suppose.Do you think casual consumers like the lady I talked to last night will go for ROTS clone troopers in place of Stormtroopers? I highly doubt it. The Sandtrooper can be converted to a Stormie, but I'm not sure casual consumers will get that concept. Anyway, the Sandtrooper isn't going to be on pegs for a while, it's a wave 2 figure, so it'll disappear quickly compared to Saga Legends.



I have to say that I'm surprised that Hasbro hasn't re-released the VOTC mold Stormtrooper as a GH figure in the vintage line or in the Saga Legends line...Stormies always sell.

as far as the sandtrooper goes true he's a good choice as it the upcoming EPIII Clonetrooper but SW still needs the classic shocktrooper of the Empire.They released the VOTC Stormie last year in the TLC line's YVH-1 wave, a rather small wave though. Personally, I vastly prefer the TAC Stormtrooper with its superior helmet and torso design (the shoulders work better on it). Their reasoning for why it hasn't been in Saga Legends though is they claim there's often a Stormtrooper in the main line, so they don't want to overlap. I guess they're counting stuff like Luke Trooper, Space Stormtrooper, and such, but I think it's not good enough, I'm with you on having them out there more.



If they are going to continue the movie waves (and somehow adding in different versions, a la Prequel Yoda on a ROJ card), there should be a basis of main characters from that film, plus the "cool" extra ones.They're abandoning the themed waves around the end of this year.


Tatooine Luke (yeah, yeah, I know)Actually, the battle pack one has a few issues - paint and leg length, so there is room. I'm still waiting for "the" Tatooine Luke.

Han
LeiaNot that I wanted to get into "we need this" territory, but we really need those 2 done right finally.

Vader (but he was on the ESB card already)The costume is different at the helmet, vest, and other areas, so we don't have a modern ANH Vader.



What's the matter with Vintage Grievous? Do you know something I don't?

I'm actually looking forward to a properly-scaled Grievous... with cape!Perhaps he's referring to that Grievous mold's lackluster arms, they split which is cool, but they come apart and can't hold anything which is annoying.

DarkJedi5
08-27-2010, 04:22 PM
The costume is different at the helmet, vest, and other areas, so we don't have a modern ANH Vader.


Mr.JabbaJohnL called my attention to this figure (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC16vader.asp) recently when I made a similar assertion and it certainly address the iconic vest issue and because it can actually hold a lightsaber with it's right hand it's maybe my favorite Vader.

El Chuxter
08-27-2010, 04:31 PM
The Sandtrooper can be converted to a Stormie, but I'm not sure casual consumers will get that concept.

I'm not even sure hardened collectors necessarily get that concept. One of the biggest pegwarmers in the 25th Anniversary GIJoe line, even when they hit Big Lots and TJMaxx for half price, was Flint in Cobra Disguise. He actually came with a Cobra head, and was the only carded Cobra figure to have the laser rifle they use in the cartoon. I bought a ton of them (you never have enough generic Cobras--really, you don't), and know a few other folks who did, but most people seemed genuinely surprised when you mentioned that it was essentially a Cobra Trooper with an extra Flint head, so it was okay to have multiples.

dindae
08-27-2010, 04:43 PM
But will it take advantage of that momentum once the prequels get added into the mix, and will Saga Legends help support it better than it has been lately? If this is a classic-collector grab, perhaps both lines need to work in concert better - there's still no Stormtrooper on pegs, and Luke should be everywhere again.

I'm not that the prequels will be a deterant here. It sound like this was a first purchase for her kids. Kids aren't biased like she is. So if they start collecting then it won't be any different in thier eyes. As far a Luke goes there are 2 Lukes from ESB potentially on the shelves at this point which is pretty good. Yes there isn't a stormtrooper but there is a Snowtrooper in the Legends line. The real bottom line here is that she walked away with 8 figures. Anytime I can find eight figures I want I call it a good day.

JediTricks
08-27-2010, 05:49 PM
Mr.JabbaJohnL called my attention to this figure (http://www.rebelscum.com/TAC16vader.asp) recently when I made a similar assertion and it certainly address the iconic vest issue and because it can actually hold a lightsaber with it's right hand it's maybe my favorite Vader.I had forgotten about that figure. Its helmet isn't particularly good or accurate IMO, so it isn't completely good enough IMO, but yeah, there it is.



I'm not that the prequels will be a deterant here. It sound like this was a first purchase for her kids. Kids aren't biased like she is. So if they start collecting then it won't be any different in thier eyes. As far a Luke goes there are 2 Lukes from ESB potentially on the shelves at this point which is pretty good. Yes there isn't a stormtrooper but there is a Snowtrooper in the Legends line. The real bottom line here is that she walked away with 8 figures. Anytime I can find eight figures I want I call it a good day.She was very OT-conscious, talking about the old Topps cards as well. She was aware of the Clone Wars, but it didn't sound like her kids were into the prequels or CW. In either case though, kids aren't going to give a golly good fart whether the prequel figures are on vintage-style cards or not, the line is clearly playing to the nostalgic fan market.

The 2 Lukes on shelves right now are shipped in low ratio to the rest of the wave, they are both very popular figures, so they disappear very quickly upon hitting pegs. For the majority of casual consumers, they may as well not exist since those buyers won't find be likely to ever them.

Snowtrooper isn't a Stormtrooper, it's too specific for that casual consumer base to attract to at that level.

All she wanted was main, recognizable guys. She saw "the figures were back" and wanted main guys, if not for my help she probably wouldn't have Leia or Luke and probably wouldn't have realized either Han Hoth was Han (I steered her to the new Echo Base one only because it's more versatile as a Han, it's both a regular type of walkin' around Han and it's also a Hoth Han).

dindae
08-27-2010, 06:44 PM
She was very OT-conscious, talking about the old Topps cards as well. She was aware of the Clone Wars, but it didn't sound like her kids were into the prequels or CW. In either case though, kids aren't going to give a golly good fart whether the prequel figures are on vintage-style cards or not, the line is clearly playing to the nostalgic fan market.
My point was that while she might be OT-conscious her kids might not be but she may have passed on her views. Most kids I know don't care.


The 2 Lukes on shelves right now are shipped in low ratio to the rest of the wave, they are both very popular figures, so they disappear very quickly upon hitting pegs. For the majority of casual consumers, they may as well not exist since those buyers won't find be likely to ever them.
The Lukes seemed to be shipped even with the rest of the waves and the bespin luke is carried over to wave 2 cases so I don't see how it is a low ratio. Yes it is popular and that would effect availability. And she did find one yes you helped but if she was willing to look hard enough I don't feel bad for her. I guess I'm just not sure what you feel would be enough. To add more Lukes you have to get other figures and most of those were figures she was looking for or the new figures that would loose a spot in the wave.


Snowtrooper isn't a Stormtrooper, it's too specific for that casual consumer base to attract to at that level.
I would think if she was ever a collector she would recognize this but maybe not.

Rik Duel
08-27-2010, 07:50 PM
The Lukes, Leias, Vaders are definitely selling best near me. It's interesting how those main characters still move. (But why not Lando? There HAS to be a way to make Lando figures sell better! My nephew thinks he's awesome, maybe they just have never made a really good one. Could a definitive General Lando with a cool card picture break the curse?)

Cane_Adiss
08-28-2010, 02:01 AM
The Lukes, Leias, Vaders are definitely selling best near me. It's interesting how those main characters still move. (But why not Lando? There HAS to be a way to make Lando figures sell better! My nephew thinks he's awesome, maybe they just have never made a really good one. Could a definitive General Lando with a cool card picture break the curse?)

Lando has always been a major pegwarmer near me. I think in POTF2 he was among the worst along with Momaw Nadon, Prince Xizor and Malakili, certainly the worst selling "core" character. Only the POTJ one moved well that I can remember.

Around here Vintage is still somewhat scarce. Only saw Dack a couple times but passed on him. I'm kind of sick of pilot figures for the time being although I got the Cloud Car pilot. 4-LOM seems to be the stinker around here, and Vader is piling up as well but I'm never worried about Vader selling through. Luke, Leia, Dack, the Cloud Car pilot, and to a lesser extent Dengar seem to be the best sellers in my area so far.

At the moment Legends seems to be the hottest seller in my area. IG-88, Grievous, Maul and suprisingly Greedo seem to be mega popular. Zuckuss, Leia (Boussh), Threepio and Hoth Han seem to be the only warmers thus far. Bossk is actually plentiful too which is a suprise given his feature in the cartoon.

For the clone wars line we have only Aurra Sing and Kit Fisto starting to pile up as well as some of the droid repacks, everything else seems to be moving well.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-28-2010, 11:25 AM
The ESB wave Vintage pegwarmers 'round here seem to be Vader, Leia, and Threepio. Only saw Fett once (snapped him up) and the CC Pilot a few times. The rest are intermittent, but plentiful.

bkusna
08-28-2010, 12:23 PM
The ESB wave Vintage pegwarmers 'round here seem to be Vader, Leia, and Threepio. Only saw Fett once (snapped him up) and the CC Pilot a few times. The rest are intermittent, but plentiful.

With wave 2 hitting....luke and boba are now reaching peg-warmer status..seen 15 boba fetts this am at TRU:shocked::shocked:

TheDarthVader
08-31-2010, 02:32 PM
I will have to agree with JT here. A steadiness of OT figures is needed to help the line. I don't care what Hasbro says about a more kid-targeted market makes the most $$$ blah blah. The parents get involved too when purchasing and this lady's heart is set on the OT because she is more familiar with it. I have personally stopped buying most PT figures.

El Chuxter
08-31-2010, 04:43 PM
Even aside from familiarity, the majority of people (fans and otherwise) seem to think the Original Trilogy is better than the prequels. Unless the kid is specifically asking for Jar Jar or Ki-Adi-Mundi, the average parent is going to gravitate toward Luke or Han.

cha gio (http://www.globalgourmet.com/destinations/vietnam/chagio.html#axzz0yDb7C06c)

bkusna
08-31-2010, 04:50 PM
Even aside from familiarity, the majority of people (fans and otherwise) seem to think the Original Trilogy is better than the prequels. Unless the kid is specifically asking for Jar Jar or Ki-Adi-Mundi, the average parent is going to gravitate toward Luke or Han.

cha gio (http://www.globalgourmet.com/destinations/vietnam/chagio.html#axzz0yDb7C06c)

But an avid collector gravitates towards WILLROW HOOD!!!!!HA!!!!:ninja:....Tibanna Gas Miner's For Life......

DarkArtist
09-01-2010, 02:17 PM
finally caved in and bought Threepio last night...have to say he's a pretty impressive figure.. now I have enough proofs to mail away for 2 of the Rocket Firing Boba Fett's...

bigbarada
09-01-2010, 10:30 PM
But an avid collector gravitates towards WILLROW HOOD!!!!!HA!!!!:ninja:....Tibanna Gas Miner's For Life......

I only bought Willrow to show my support for these kinds of obscure figures. However, I've never cared about the "character" and I don't even know where my Willrow Hood figure is anymore. I might have traded him off to someone shortly after buying him and just don't remember.

Cane_Adiss
09-02-2010, 01:27 AM
I bought Willrow the first time I saw him, pretty much to show support for obscure characters in general. He did eventually start to warm but once the price went down to 4.50 at Wal-Mart and Target he cleared out.

I had to buy up several Leesub Sirln's just to get her off the pegs considering she was a figure I lobbied hard for and I didn't want to see her warm forever. I still have a couple if anyone's interested in them.

Captain Colton is still warming at my local Wal-Mart and he's a figure I have no interest in whatsoever so I probably won't be getting him. He's the only Legacy figure left on the pegs besides some Legends Obi-Wans.

Overall I'd say the new lines are selling very well, and hesitate to call out any true pegwarmers just yet. 4-Lom I don't believe will ship in any other assortment than this first and a revision so I'm not too worried about him. I am a little puzzled by his inclusion in Target's exclusive 9-pack though, a Stormtrooper or Bossk would have made more sense.