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JEDIpartner
08-16-2011, 03:16 PM
Chris Evans was on-set yesterday, filming a scene where Steve Rogers, fresh from a Rip Van Winkle, emerges from a building, onto the streets of modern-day NYC, only to find himself fighting aliens who are attacking the city. Strangely enough, NYC is Cleveland, Ohio and 42nd Street is East 9th Street. For those of my friends who are lucky enough to be close to all of the action, one was able to film this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOIbeEMybsk) from her office yesterday afternoon during one of the major pyrotechnic stunts. I really should've signed up to be an extra!!!


Robert Downey is scheduled to arrive for shooting next week. Sam Jackson was here last week.


I'm rather excited by all of this, actually! We currently have 9 motion pictures on the books to film in Ohio.


There are some journalist videos here (http://topics.cleveland.com/tag/avengers/videos.html) (for now at any rate!).

JEDIpartner
08-17-2011, 10:06 AM
Filming continues today. East 9th Street has been cleaned up and the shoot has moved over to Public Square. Public Square also served as the location for the exterior shots in A Christmas Story. The shots for the Higbees window and the Christmas parade, as well as all of the downtown establishing shots were filmed there. Should be interesting as they are turning Public Square into Stuttgart, Germany!

JEDIpartner
08-18-2011, 12:49 PM
The crew was back on East 9th today. They were filming a few more pyrotechnic stunts and there was a squad of soldiers running into battle.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-18-2011, 03:35 PM
I can't believe they're remaking that Uma Thurman/Ralph Fiennes flick from '98; I thought it bombed.

JEDIpartner
08-18-2011, 03:46 PM
I can't believe they're remaking that Uma Thurman/Ralph Fiennes flick from '98; I thought it bombed.

LOL ...which in turn was a remake of the television series. ;)

JEDIpartner
08-19-2011, 01:52 PM
Aaaaaaaanyhow... Scenes with Thor and Captain America are being filmed on East 9th Street today.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-20-2011, 10:13 AM
It's awesome when stuff gets filmed locally. Around me over the years:
video for "Where the Streets Have No Name"
The Cat in The Hat
Catch Me if You Can
A League of Their Own
That Thing You Do!
Matrix 2 (or maybe it was the first Transformers... or both? it was on some closed freeway here)
tons of commercials set in the local airport

El Chuxter
08-20-2011, 12:23 PM
I can't get excited about this for some reason. It could be the realistic nature of Iron Man now being undermined by aliens, the silly premise of Thor that I've never been able to get over, or the "what did we keep from the first movie?" shtick of Hulk.

But it's not. It's the Hawkeye. There's too much Hawkeye.

Q: How much Hawkeye is too much Hawkeye?
A: Any Hawkeye is too much Hawkeye. Only a negative amount of Hawkeye is acceptable.

No joke, West Coast Avengers was the only Marvel comic I never collected during the height of my addiction. Because Hawkeye is lower than a dingleberry stuck in one's hidden hair. I'd rather Justin Bieber lead the team than Hawkeye be allowed anywhere near it.

JediTricks
08-20-2011, 02:53 PM
It's awesome when stuff gets filmed locally. Around me over the years:
video for "Where the Streets Have No Name"
The Cat in The Hat
Catch Me if You Can
A League of Their Own
That Thing You Do!
Matrix 2 (or maybe it was the first Transformers... or both? it was on some closed freeway here)
tons of commercials set in the local airportMatrix 2 was filmed on a custom loop they built out in Alameda, where they keep the nuclear wessels. Wheh-sells! Whereas the freeway scene for Transformers was filmed in Rialto, where they keep our state's precious supply of nothing.

Bel-Cam Jos
08-20-2011, 05:30 PM
Hey! If it wasn't for that area where Rialto has been placed on a map, the travel budget for the show Cops would be outrageous! And what about heavy wind-damage news stories? Tagging? Window stickers with "streams" on various people/car companies? I don't call all that "nothing." ;)

El Chuxter
08-21-2011, 01:11 AM
No joke. It seems like every time I find a re-run of Cops, it's set in Rialto. Rialto sort of scares me, and I don't fear bad neighborhoods lightly. The nearby towns have some redeeming factors, but about I can say for Rialto is they've got two 99c Only stores that suck less than the ones closer to me, aside from the chemical smell in both.

Hawkeye probably lives in Rialto and that's why the place sucks.

JEDIpartner
08-29-2011, 11:20 AM
They were filming scenes with Tom Hiddleston as Loki on Friday evening down at Public Square. My friend said that they are filming a few pick up shots on Walnut Street this morning.

sith_killer_99
09-02-2011, 08:12 PM
So let's see, the tie-in list is as follows:

Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk (except Edward Norton will not play Banner, Mark Ruffalo will)
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger

Then we get "The Avengers" to be followed by:

Iron Man 3
Thor 2

I suspect we may get a "Captain America 2" as well, seeing as how it did so well at the box office.

El Chuxter
09-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Just so long as Hawkeye doesn't get his own movie.

In fact, I'd be cool with him being killed by a platypus during the opening credits of The Avengers. Particularly if he cries like a little baby while the platypus kills him and feeds him to the baby platypii.

Bel-Cam Jos
09-03-2011, 11:10 AM
No, they'll mix continuity, and have him turn into US Agent, throwing adamantium arrows instead of a shield.

The Platypus will be paired up with Ultron as the villain duo.

bigbarada
09-07-2011, 01:19 PM
Just so long as Hawkeye doesn't get his own movie.

In fact, I'd be cool with him being killed by a platypus during the opening credits of The Avengers. Particularly if he cries like a little baby while the platypus kills him and feeds him to the baby platypii.

I agree, I've never understood why people actually like Hawkeye.

Bel-Cam Jos
09-07-2011, 09:34 PM
I agree, I've never understood why people actually like Hawkeye.I always found he had a bit of Batman to him: no super powers but extremely skilled in some areas. A gruff or loner personality at times, but could work with other heroes if needed. And, I found his costume fairly easy to draw.

El Chuxter
09-07-2011, 09:42 PM
I always found he had a bit of Batman to him: no super powers but extremely skilled in some areas. A gruff or loner personality at times, but could work with other heroes if needed. And, I found his costume fairly easy to draw.
You just described Green Arrow, whom Hawkeye is a shameless knockoff of.

Bel-Cam Jos
09-07-2011, 09:57 PM
Nah; rival comic companies can't do that. That would be wrong. I'll have to send Lobo and Wolverine to beat you up.

El Chuxter
09-07-2011, 11:17 PM
Nah; rival comic companies can't do that. That would be wrong. I'll have to send Lobo and Wolverine to beat you up.
This brings up bad memories of the Lobo/Wolverine throwdown in Marvel vs DC, which was WRONG!!! Wolvie killed Lobo behind a bar, then relaxed and lit a cigar. However, even if he were able to best the Main Man, which is questionable (to say the least), it was established only a year earlier that Lobo couldn't die because neither Heaven nor Hell would take him.

bigbarada
09-08-2011, 12:13 PM
Lobo. Now that's a name I haven't heard in nearly 20 years. It's good to see that he's been so successful compared to Wolverine. :thumbsup:

El Chuxter
09-08-2011, 03:32 PM
At least (in the right hands, at least... in other words, Giffen's) Lobo doesn't take himself so seriously, which is what's ruined Wolverine.

bigbarada
05-04-2012, 03:24 AM
Just got back from the midnight premiere and I really enjoyed the movie. For me, Hulk was the sticking point, if they got him wrong then the entire franchise would fall apart in my eyes. Fortunately this is the best onscreen Hulk ever made and I loved the interactions between Bruce Banner and Tony Stark. The only minor disappointment is that I really wished Hulk would speak.

There are rumors that they might make another stand alone Hulk movie with Mark Ruffalo. I would really like to see that.

Overall, I thought the movie was awesome. This is exactly the kind of superhero movie that I always wanted to see made when I was reading about all of these characters as a kid. They even managed to make Hawkeye a likable character and that's a major accomplishment.

El Chuxter
05-04-2012, 08:19 AM
They even managed to make Hawkeye a likable character and that's a major accomplishment.
You just destroyed the credibility of the rest of your post.

bigbarada
05-04-2012, 01:58 PM
You just destroyed the credibility of the rest of your post.

I know, I would have thought the same thing if I hadn't seen the movie yet because I absolutely despise Hawkeye in the comics. However, Jeremy Renner does a good job of portraying him as an honorable soldier (for the most part without giving too much away), instead of a petulant child who rails against authority just for the sake of railing against authority.

jonthejedi
05-04-2012, 02:47 PM
Joss Whedon is God...he pulled off what could have been a disaster in someone elses' hands. Incredible action set pieces, great pacing, snappy dialog AND character development. No wonder A list critics are giving it 4 stars. Run...don't walk to see the Avengers this weekend. (Stay past the credits twice...wink, wink). Loki surpasses General Zod as a true Super Villain. GL...you need to see this movie so you can understand what happens when they get it RIGHT!

JetsAndHeels
05-05-2012, 02:20 PM
I've got tickets to the 7:20 show tonight. So ready to see this.

sith_killer_99
05-05-2012, 08:56 PM
Taking my daughter to see this tomorrow.

JetsAndHeels
05-05-2012, 09:49 PM
Wow. What a great movie!!

So much action, yet plenty of story and character development. I will definately go see it again..but this time in 2D. The 3D got a bit overwhelming at times.

preacher
05-05-2012, 10:38 PM
Wow. What a great movie!!

So much action, yet plenty of story and character development. I will definately go see it again..but this time in 2D. The 3D got a bit overwhelming at times.

very impressive the way all the characters were given equal importance. And equal screen time. I think Iron man may have had just a bit more than the rest. But damn what a great show. I was shocked to see HIM after the credits. If they pull off his inclusion in the sequel. I have very high hopes that a certain other villain in the dc universe could be pulled off. The character I 'm thinking of is practically a carbon copy of HIM.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
05-06-2012, 12:59 AM
I saw this at the midnight opening, after seeing Thor and Captain America for the first time immediately beforehand (it was an all-day marathon, but I had to leave for a bit so I missed Incredible Hulk and half of each Iron Man movie; I've seen both Iron Man movies but haven't seen the Incredible Hulk). Anyway, I freakin' loved it. The last battle was just one mind-blowingly cool moment after another; truly one of the greatest action sequences I have ever seen in a film. A great deal of that was due to how the characters were treated and used during the battle and for the entire movie preceding it. Just a whole hell of a lot of fun.


So much action, yet plenty of story and character development. I will definately go see it again..but this time in 2D. The 3D got a bit overwhelming at times.
All three movies I saw in a row were in 3D, which is the most I've ever seen of the format in one sitting (with 15-minute breaks in-between, but still). I thought it was used really well in all three cases - it definitely helped it feel like you were more "in the world" of the film without being ridiculous. After a while, I forgot I was watching 3D - not because it was used so sparingly, but just because I got used to it. If all 3D releases were as good as this (or TPM, for instance), then I don't think people would take issue with it as much as they still do. (I rarely see 3D movies unless that's a major part of the draw, partly since the level of quality is still such a crapshoot.)


I have very high hopes that a certain other villain in the dc universe could be pulled off. The character I 'm thinking of is practically a carbon copy of HIM.
I have a feeling they'll stick to the Marvel characters as opposed to DC, but keep those high hopes anyway. :D

El Chuxter
05-06-2012, 02:39 PM
Oh, wow, I was trying to avoid spoilers, but Thanos is in this movie? Holy crap! Must see, must see, must see.

Note to Marvel: get rights to Silver Surfer back IMMEDIATELY.

sith_killer_99
05-06-2012, 04:32 PM
AWESOME movie! Just took my daughter to see it and we both enjoyed it very much!

Yeah, Thanos at the end of the movie was a bit of a surprise.

figrin bran
05-07-2012, 09:38 PM
I enjoyed it immensely though it does make me long for BTVS/Firefly films to be made. Longtime fans of Whedon's work will definitely feel a familiarity in tone.

I loved the 2nd credits easter egg btw. I'll most likely be seeing it again this weekend.

Snowtrooper
05-25-2012, 09:35 PM
I finally got around to seeing this last Wednesday. Definitely lives up to the hype. I loved all the action in it of course, but the real surprise was how well they managed to mesh all these superheroes together without one or a few dominating the whole movie. There was just enough of everybody. I wasn't sure how well Loki would be for the main villain, but that was put to rest right away. He has a Hannibal Lecter quality to him. Well I can't wait for the next one.

sith_killer_99
05-26-2012, 12:19 AM
I finally got around to seeing this last Wednesday. Definitely lives up to the hype. I loved all the action in it of course, but the real surprise was how well they managed to mesh all these superheroes together without one or a few dominating the whole movie. There was just enough of everybody. I wasn't sure how well Loki would be for the main villain, but that was put to rest right away. He has a Hannibal Lecter quality to him. Well I can't wait for the next one.

It took you long enough! :devilish:

Yeah, Loki was a good villain, but the next film has WAY more potential IMO, especially with the guest appearance at the end of this film!!! :saturn:

Snowtrooper
05-26-2012, 11:02 AM
It took you long enough! :devilish:

Yeah, Loki was a good villain, but the next film has WAY more potential IMO, especially with the guest appearance at the end of this film!!! :saturn:

Its a rather busy time of year for me so I saw it later than I wanted to. I hope I'm not asking a dumb question, but who is that guy at the end? I thought they were going to bring back the Red Skull since he disappeared in a similiar way to Loki. The creature they show doesn't look like him, though.

sith_killer_99
05-26-2012, 11:06 PM
That was Thanos.

http://www.google.com/search?q=thanos&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=kuV&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=CqjBT4fABIHL2QWD77x1&ved=0CHQQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=772

Snowtrooper
05-27-2012, 09:32 AM
That was Thanos.

http://www.google.com/search?q=thanos&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=kuV&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=CqjBT4fABIHL2QWD77x1&ved=0CHQQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=772

Thanks. I'm not well versed on the Marvel universe and the end of the movie left me wondering who that guy was.

sith_killer_99
05-27-2012, 12:52 PM
Thanks. I'm not well versed on the Marvel universe and the end of the movie left me wondering who that guy was.

Short answer, Marvels equivalent to Darkseid.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-29-2012, 06:54 PM
I liked it. More humor (not just from Stark) than I expected. All the action in the big fight scene built up well with the exposition that seemed to go on and on (not a bad thing, though). There were a few "comics" insider comments, and I almost forgot about the Stan Lee cameo throughout the film. I loved the Thanos smile at the end. Stay after the credits for another "end" part. I'm not sure, but I think they may be planning a sequel...

sith_killer_99
05-29-2012, 10:46 PM
Yes, there will be a sequel.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-30-2012, 10:03 AM
Are you sure? ;)

Name possibilities for this mythical "sequel" of which you speak:
- Marvel Comics Group Inc. The Avengers Second Film
- Re-Avengers
- The Avengerers
- The Avengers II: The Wrath of Than'
- The Avengers: Assembled Again (or Some Assembly Required)
- The Avengers: Expect a DC Justice League "Rip-Off" Soon
- Super Hero Group Movie
- Avengatar 3D

sith_killer_99
05-30-2012, 08:31 PM
Are you sure? ;)

Name possibilities for this mythical "sequel" of which you speak:
- Marvel Comics Group Inc. The Avengers Second Film
- Re-Avengers
- The Avengerers
- The Avengers II: The Wrath of Than'
- The Avengers: Assembled Again (or Some Assembly Required)
- The Avengers: Expect a DC Justice League "Rip-Off" Soon
- Super Hero Group Movie
- Avengatar 3D

I lol'd!

My favorite one right there, Hollywood couldn't do any better!

El Chuxter
06-06-2012, 11:51 PM
Even knowing about the purple guy (who wasn't played by Milton Berle), even seeing glimpses of him earlier that (having read spoilers) were recognizable, I still got goosebumps at the end. That evil grin juxtaposed against the "court death" line was golden. Golden. Such a subtle Easter egg; I don't think I've seen subtler. It's a cool send-off for everyone, but comic geeks will get the significance of the wording, even though I doubt (and hope) they don't go the traditional Infinity Gauntlet path here.

JediTricks
06-25-2012, 02:30 PM
Even knowing about the purple guy (who wasn't played by Milton Berle), even seeing glimpses of him earlier that (having read spoilers) were recognizable, I still got goosebumps at the end. That evil grin juxtaposed against the "court death" line was golden. Golden. Such a subtle Easter egg; I don't think I've seen subtler. It's a cool send-off for everyone, but comic geeks will get the significance of the wording, even though I doubt (and hope) they don't go the traditional Infinity Gauntlet path here.I read they actually built an Infinity Gauntlet for the Thor movie with moving parts, so I suspect you will be seeing it in a sequel or spin-off sequel.

bigbarada
06-25-2012, 11:05 PM
Yes, there will be a sequel.

I'm not sure if it made enough money at the box office to warrant a sequel. ;)

bigbarada
06-26-2012, 06:57 PM
I was just on BoxOfficeMojo.com and they report that Avengers will pass $600 million at some point today and it's fully expected to surpass Titanic's original theatrical run of $600.8 million. Although it's unlikely to surpass Titanic's total domestic box office gross of $658.7 million, which includes the recent 3D rerelease, unless it sees a major rerelease at some point in the future.

It's awesome to see the movie doing so well. I thought it would be a success, but I'm not sure if anyone expected this level of success. I think this goes way beyond blockbuster movie and has officially crossed over into worldwide phenomenon territory.

JimJamBonds
10-05-2012, 11:51 AM
I (finally) saw it the other day, I thought it was good but it was predictable.

JediTricks
10-08-2012, 10:55 PM
Watched the blu ray and some of the extra features. Not many features here, kind of surprised. Yes there's 15 minutes of deleted scenes, and a few I did wonder why they pulled out (a recut on Cap's stuff would have been nice, for example, as well as Hawkeye and Loki in the catacombs) and a few I didn't (starting the film with Maria's testimony and bookending it with a cheap out) - I was howling at Hawkeye popping open his bow with no CGI. Film looks great on HDTV at least, although a bit darker than I remembered it in the theater (lux, not tone).

I tried the Second Screen app on my ipod, but holy crap is it distracting from the film, and long text isn't scrollable. Still, kinda nifty to control the blu-ray player with my device.

bigbarada
10-09-2012, 12:33 AM
and a few I didn't (starting the film with Maria's testimony and bookending it with a cheap out)

I'm definitely glad that they nixed Maria Hill's opening scene because I felt that it oversold the events of the story and would have set the wrong tone for the movie. Based on her telling of it, I would have expected a somber tragedy to follow, not the lighthearted and fun film that we actually saw.

JediTricks
10-13-2012, 02:55 AM
I'm definitely glad that they nixed Maria Hill's opening scene because I felt that it oversold the events of the story and would have set the wrong tone for the movie. Based on her telling of it, I would have expected a somber tragedy to follow, not the lighthearted and fun film that we actually saw.Agreed. Plus, it reeked of cheap TV storytelling, not the movie we got.

El Chuxter
10-13-2012, 10:26 AM
They should've left the extended scene after Hulk falls from the Helicarrier, though. That explained quite a bit about his change of heart.

bigbarada
10-13-2012, 12:59 PM
I did like that scene, but I guess they thought it might be better to get to the smashing as soon as possible. Maybe it will end up in an extended version of the movie at some point down the road.

JediTricks
10-13-2012, 01:18 PM
They should've left the extended scene after Hulk falls from the Helicarrier, though. That explained quite a bit about his change of heart.That scene also somewhat patches the hole of "why was he a rampaging monster before and now he's cool" - because Banner finds out that the Hulk aimed his fall. And it's a good scene, it plays well for both actors. That cameo by Harry Dean Stanton was great as was the cameo by Stan Lee, yet both cutscene cameos were WAY BETTER.

El Chuxter
10-28-2014, 02:11 PM
So, anyone heard any news on the Avengers front lately? lol

DC might need to up their game, because I truly think they are screwed right now if they don't get their act together.

bigbarada
10-28-2014, 11:34 PM
Yeah, Marvel dropped several big bombs today and I don't see how DC can even hope to compete with what they have planned. I think "giddy as a school girl" would pretty much sum up my initial reactions to the news and for the last couple of hours, I've just been wandering around the house in a euphoric daze while considering the possibilities.

Just thinking about seeing Iron Man, Starlord, Captain America, Rocket, Hulk, Groot, etc. all in the same movie is almost too much. I really can't wrap my mind around it right now. I just have to say that there might be tears when May 4th, 2018 rolls around.

I remember the late-90s, during the big build-up to the Prequels, when the idea of a new Star Wars trilogy felt like the biggest motion picture event of all time. Then LOTR came out and that felt like the biggest motion picture event of all time. As of today, this massive plan that Marvel just outlined feels like the biggest motion picture event of all time; but I really can't think of any way that anybody is going to be able to top what Marvel is doing right now.

Snowtrooper
10-29-2014, 10:58 AM
I saw the trailer a few days ago and its really got me intrigued. They've definitely drummed up alot of interest:eagerness:

bigbarada
10-30-2014, 09:53 PM
Now that the initial excitement of the announcements has worn off, I'm a bit bummed that there was no announcement of a new Hulk movie. They finally have the perfect actor for Banner/Hulk; but they seem to have totally lost faith in Hulk's ability to carry a movie.

I think they need to get over this notion that Hulk is just a mindless brute and give him some of the intelligence that he's displayed in the comic books. Something like Planet Hulk would be awesome for a standalone Hulk movie and would keep him in Hulk form for 99% of the film, with Bruce only making one or two brief appearances. Basically the exact opposite of the last two Hulk films. People go to Hulk movies to see the Hulk, not an hour and a half of Bruce Banner whining about the Hulk.

El Chuxter
10-30-2014, 09:57 PM
They nailed Hulk so well in Avengers, I was kinda hoping for that, too.

Then again, they could potentially string out the "Hulk smash!" angle for about five years, then have Hulk appear to be dead in some movie, and a post-credit scene of him reemerging... as Joe Fixit. Then maybe a film about Banner, brute Hulk and Fixit fighting, ending with them merging into "the Professor." And everyone's shocked in the next Avengers movie when suddenly Hulk is a super-genius.

Bel-Cam Jos
05-02-2015, 10:52 PM
Someone said a comic book movie was coming out this weekend. Comic books are for nerds. NEERRRRRRDDDSSS!!!!

(I haven't seen it yet; plan to)

JediTricks
05-03-2015, 11:46 PM
It was ok, not as good as the first one.

bigbarada
05-05-2015, 04:03 AM
I liked it enough, but was pretty disappointed that the Hulk actually seemed to have a lesser role in this one compared to the first movie. Maybe they weren't happy with all the comments about how Hulk "stole the show" in Avengers and decided to dial him back significantly in Age of Ultron.

Spoilers might follow in the mini-rant that follows, if you haven't seen the movie yet; but I just need to get this off my chest…



Sure we got the Hulkbuster scene, but that was more of an Iron Man scene than a Hulk scene. Hulk had just been driven out of his mind by Scarlet Witch and the entire fight was all about Iron Man taking the green goliath down. Plus, the action moved so quickly and there were so many cuts that it was nearly impossible to understand what was going on. You'd think that filmmakers would have realized by now that the human eye can only follow onscreen action up to a certain speed and, if the action is too complex or moves too quickly, the viewer just mentally checks out. Because the brain is not able to process the images fast enough and it all just turns into random objects flashing in front of the audience's faces, causing any dramatic impact of your action scene to be completely lost. The Hulkbuster scene felt like Whedon decided to take a page out of Michael Bay's "how to make a big budget movie that means nothing" handbook.

Then, Black Widow is so intent on having Hulk in the final battle with Ultron that she pushes Bruce Banner down a hole, in order to get him to change. But all that wasted screentime going on about how Hulk was needed and what did he actually do in the battle? Other than being conspicuously absent for 90% of it, then showing up out of nowhere for the fancy team action shots, then conveniently disappearing again to keep from stealing the spotlight from the new team members. Well, he did through Ultron out of a plane, so I guess it was totally worth it. :rolleyes:

Eh, I guess I'll just have to wait and see how Hulk is treated after this film. I do remember a comment about how they have big plans for him even though he's not getting his own movie. Let's hope that's true. Without the Hulk, my interest in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is going to take a massive hit.

I consider Hulk to be one of Marvel's top three characters. Captain America might be in the top five, but Iron Man and Thor are maybe at the bottom end of the top ten for me, at best. Scarlet Witch might be in my top twenty, depending on who's writing her. Hawkeye, Black Widow, Vision, Quicksilver, War Machine, Falcon, etc. don't even rank on my list since I don't really care that much about them at all. So, if the team that we saw at the end of the AoU is going to be the Avengers team going forward, then I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to muster enough interest in the next movie to even see it in theaters.

figrin bran
05-05-2015, 03:26 PM
For once I agree with JT!

I'll elaborate more when I have more time but for me, AOU is at best the 4th best MCU film behind Winter Soldier, Avengers and GOTG.

Whedon's comments to the press in recent weeks have certainly been very interesting!

El Chuxter
05-05-2015, 04:18 PM
Vision... the Mind Stone... THE FREAKING HAMMER!!

It is possible to be shocked by a movie in 2015.

bigbarada
05-05-2015, 04:24 PM
Whedon's comments to the press in recent weeks have certainly been very interesting!

I had to do a Google search to see what you were referring to, but I found a couple of interviews that confirm what I thought might have happened (namely Hulk and Thor having major scenes cut from the movie at the last minute). I guess the MCU isn't immune to the trapping of an enormously successful film that causes too many cooks to be in the kitchen for the sequel. I think they need to get the situation under control quickly, however, otherwise it could end up tanking the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe before Infinity War even gets here.

figrin bran
05-05-2015, 10:36 PM
Other things Whedon has mentioned in just the past several weeks have been a weariness of the MCU, that Coulson should have stayed dead (being an executive producer of AoS and his family members being the showrunners, this is a very curious statement), that he really wanted to have Captain Marvel in the film (which personally I would have enjoyed seeing). It is extremely odd that a director would be saying such things on a promotional tour and perhaps indicative that much of his original vision had to be compromised. It sounds like he had to fight to keep the Barton family farm scenes but lost other battles.

The trailer that was released earlier in fall of last year seemed to suggest a very dystopian film and that the Avengers would be split up and suffer crushing defeats. In short, the ESB of the MCU. Well, no trace of any of that in the movie. To boot, that haunting version of "No Strings on Me" is far more memorable than any musical themes in AoU.


The Whedonisms, so vital a part of the first film, came across as largely uninspired in this installment. "I got a bow and an arrow", "Can't afford to live in Brooklyn", "He's fast, she's weird", "you didn't see that coming" "no I'm too busy to go -wait, is Thor going to be there?"

The circle of heroes "Avengers Assemble" scene in the first film seemed within the natural flow but here, we have two of those sort of scenes - slo mo in the snow and then towards the end, circle of heroes 2.0. Unfortunately, they lack the impact of the original and it smacks of attempts to manufacture moments.

This is a critique of the MCU in general that the villains more often than not aren't as threatening and overpowering as they should be. Ultron's drones should be a bit tougher than battle droids but unfortunately, just as useless and quite honestly, there's not much difference between them and Chitauri soldiers. With Ultron himself, James Spader seems to be playing him the same way he plays Raymond Reddington on the Blacklist. I still can't really explain this but it just seems like even though Ultron is on the verge of destroying an entire nation, I still didn't really feel it was a true threat and the stakes never seemed as high as they should have been.

All the appearances of Thanos we've had in these films have been even worse at this. Not everyone is familiar with Thanos from comics and whatnot so it behooves the filmmakers to portray how powerful he is but no instead, we've only seen him be a huge couch potato.

It's just sooooo very sad that I even have to bring up these points and it's so sad if Whedon had to compromise much of his original vision because he definitely can and should have done better.

JediTricks
05-07-2015, 01:52 PM
I liked it enough, but was pretty disappointed that the Hulk actually seemed to have a lesser role in this one compared to the first movie. Maybe they weren't happy with all the comments about how Hulk "stole the show" in Avengers and decided to dial him back significantly in Age of Ultron. To me, this felt like Whedon not having a clue of how to fit the character into this particular storyline, mainly because he still doesn't get the Hulk that well and reinvents the character in this movie to be interesting without actually doing much legwork - now Bruce and the Hulk are each afraid of each other, and the Hulk is a giant baby that somehow gets rocked to sleep by Black Widow, and Bruce and Natasha have this bizarre relationship that comes out of left field simply so Natasha can have a false sense of depth. I dunno that it was done as a reaction to the Hulk "stealing the show" last time though, it felt more like a sense of confusion over where the character fits.


Sure we got the Hulkbuster scene, but that was more of an Iron Man scene than a Hulk scene. Hulk had just been driven out of his mind by Scarlet Witch and the entire fight was all about Iron Man taking the green goliath down. Plus, the action moved so quickly and there were so many cuts that it was nearly impossible to understand what was going on. You'd think that filmmakers would have realized by now that the human eye can only follow onscreen action up to a certain speed and, if the action is too complex or moves too quickly, the viewer just mentally checks out. Because the brain is not able to process the images fast enough and it all just turns into random objects flashing in front of the audience's faces, causing any dramatic impact of your action scene to be completely lost. The Hulkbuster scene felt like Whedon decided to take a page out of Michael Bay's "how to make a big budget movie that means nothing" handbook.I would disagree that the action in the Hulkbuster scene was difficult to follow, of all the action scenes in the film I'd say it was in the top tier of clarity, there just wasn't much to show because it's a fight scene. I think it was more a ripoff that they used Scarlet Witch to turn the Hulk into a rampaging monster and we didn't get a peek into what was causing it, this was the very same ploy Loki used in the first movie and that scene had much more weight. Other than that, this was just a pointless fight scene eye candy moment.


Then, Black Widow is so intent on having Hulk in the final battle with Ultron that she pushes Bruce Banner down a hole, in order to get him to change. But all that wasted screentime going on about how Hulk was needed and what did he actually do in the battle? Other than being conspicuously absent for 90% of it, then showing up out of nowhere for the fancy team action shots, then conveniently disappearing again to keep from stealing the spotlight from the new team members. Well, he did through Ultron out of a plane, so I guess it was totally worth it. :rolleyes:Nothing about Black Widow & the Hulk together was authentic, but let's be fair, nobody was remotely interesting in that final battle because it was literally just every member of the Avengers punching a CGI robot over and over, it was meaningless.


I consider Hulk to be one of Marvel's top three characters. Captain America might be in the top five, but Iron Man and Thor are maybe at the bottom end of the top ten for me, at best. Scarlet Witch might be in my top twenty, depending on who's writing her. Hawkeye, Black Widow, Vision, Quicksilver, War Machine, Falcon, etc. don't even rank on my list since I don't really care that much about them at all. So, if the team that we saw at the end of the AoU is going to be the Avengers team going forward, then I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to muster enough interest in the next movie to even see it in theaters.Until they figure out that the Hulk has a brain and the ability to communicate and his own goals and needs that have to be expressed, cinematically he's a useless movie character because he's just a blunt object thrown at scenes, not a real character.

I'd argue that the top-tier Marvel characters/properties are:
Spidey
Cap
X-men

while the Hulk, the FF, Iron Man, Thor, Dr Strange, Ghost Rider, The Punisher, and Daredevil have ebbed and flowed into and back out of that tier from time to time, but don't reside there now.

Interestingly, unlike DC, the villains of Marvel don't really need to be listed here, they don't have that same sort of disconnect, so when you might say Magneto could be on this list you really are just arguing X-men again. Kingpin? Daredevil. Green Goblin? Spidey already covers it. Yet DC has much more villain-worship, it's like a different type of marketing that comes from a different type of storytelling, I suppose Marvel has that with Venom and kinda Deadpool though.


For once I agree with JT!

I'll elaborate more when I have more time but for me, AOU is at best the 4th best MCU film behind Winter Soldier, Avengers and GOTG. High five! Technically, I am agreeing with you since you saw it first. ;)

My list of MCU films:
The Avengers
Iron Man
Agent Carter
Captain America: The First Avenger
*end of top tier*

Thor: The Dark World
Guardians of the Galaxy
Thor
*end of 2nd tier*

Agents of SHIELD
Cap 2
Avengers 2
Incredible Hulk
*end of "eh, fine" tier*

Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
*end of "whyyyyy?!?" tier*

The funny thing is how different my frustrations with Iron Man 2 and 3 are. I also didn't expect Thor to end up in tier 2, but it was on FX last week in anticipation of the new movie and I found a large part of it pretty compelling, tragically it's all the parts that aren't Jane Foster and her intern which technically are supposed to be the meat of the film.



I had to do a Google search to see what you were referring to, but I found a couple of interviews that confirm what I thought might have happened (namely Hulk and Thor having major scenes cut from the movie at the last minute). I guess the MCU isn't immune to the trapping of an enormously successful film that causes too many cooks to be in the kitchen for the sequel. I think they need to get the situation under control quickly, however, otherwise it could end up tanking the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe before Infinity War even gets here.I don't know that Avengers 2 was too many cooks, I think it was 1 cook and too many ingredients.


Other things Whedon has mentioned in just the past several weeks have been a weariness of the MCU, that Coulson should have stayed dead (being an executive producer of AoS and his family members being the showrunners, this is a very curious statement), that he really wanted to have Captain Marvel in the film (which personally I would have enjoyed seeing). It is extremely odd that a director would be saying such things on a promotional tour and perhaps indicative that much of his original vision had to be compromised. It sounds like he had to fight to keep the Barton family farm scenes but lost other battles. Don't forget that Joss Whedon also co-created Marvel's Agents of SHIELD. But he's complaining that Marvel forced Coulson to be the star of that lost-cause of a show, he wanted death to stay dead. It's kinda ballsy to complain about a comic book death not getting reversed though, seeing as Whedon himself has been a comic book fan and writer so long.

Seeing how poorly Whedon, a supposed "feminist", treated the women in Avengers 2, I don't think Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers is who he wanted, right?) would have come off that well. But more importantly, characters shouldn't be getting introduced in Avengers movies.

Whedon shouldn't have taken on this project without a clearer vision, he's tired from trying to do everything and lashing out at the MCU for flaws that are his own. Fighting to keep the Barton family farm scenes was a poor choice, those didn't add anything to the movie but they did bring it to a halt and feel wildly out of place and dishonest to Hawkeye. Challenges are part of moviemaking, otherwise you end up with The Phantom Menace.


The trailer that was released earlier in fall of last year seemed to suggest a very dystopian film and that the Avengers would be split up and suffer crushing defeats. In short, the ESB of the MCU. Well, no trace of any of that in the movie. To boot, that haunting version of "No Strings on Me" is far more memorable than any musical themes in AoU. I'll survive very well without dystopian themes, there's been a mountain, even The Simpsons took a swipe at that last week. The point of the Avengers is always to fracture and reform, but there was so much going on it felt like there was no time to bother with characters actually thinking anything.

You're not kidding about the unmemorable music in this film though.


This is a critique of the MCU in general that the villains more often than not aren't as threatening and overpowering as they should be. Ultron's drones should be a bit tougher than battle droids but unfortunately, just as useless and quite honestly, there's not much difference between them and Chitauri soldiers. With Ultron himself, James Spader seems to be playing him the same way he plays Raymond Reddington on the Blacklist. I still can't really explain this but it just seems like even though Ultron is on the verge of destroying an entire nation, I still didn't really feel it was a true threat and the stakes never seemed as high as they should have been. Ultron had poorly-defined motivations and goals that were also contrary at times to each other, his methods carried no weight, and ultimately his defeat felt just as manufactured as his creation. Spader played it very much like Red Reddington which would be fine except Red's goals and motivations on that show are intentionally shrouded, and he's a protagonist.


All the appearances of Thanos we've had in these films have been even worse at this. Not everyone is familiar with Thanos from comics and whatnot so it behooves the filmmakers to portray how powerful he is but no instead, we've only seen him be a huge couch potato.Ugh, Thanos' scene was terrible, truly an insult. At least in Avengers and Guardians he had machinations which suggested a greater need for being behind the scenes, but here he's just getting off his duff, suggesting he has been sitting around doing nothing until now.


It's just sooooo very sad that I even have to bring up these points and it's so sad if Whedon had to compromise much of his original vision because he definitely can and should have done better.Honestly, Whedon's vision isn't perfect, I still can't forgive him for Serenity betraying Firefly so badly, but what made the first Avengers work so well is balance and restraint with a focus on character over action, things not seen in this film at all.

Maradona
05-07-2015, 05:09 PM
If this info is legitimate, then I fear there will be a real let down next year:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/captain-america-civil-war-script-possibly-leaks

El Chuxter
05-07-2015, 05:50 PM
I prefer that to the steaming crapfest Millar put out under the same name.

Of course, I'd prefer the entire movie be about Captain America and Iron Man cosplaying as Grant and Lee, but mistakenly thinking they're French, and fighting with waterguns to that mess of a comic book.

bigbarada
05-08-2015, 01:25 AM
If this info is legitimate, then I fear there will be a real let down next year:

http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/captain-america-civil-war-script-possibly-leaks

It's actually not bad compared to the actual Civil War comic, which was a huge amount of build-up for an ending that completely fizzled out (I count the death of Captain America as a separate event).

Eh, we'll see. I'm still pretty optimistic about what's coming up.

bigbarada
05-08-2015, 01:43 AM
To me, this felt like Whedon not having a clue of how to fit the character into this particular storyline, mainly because he still doesn't get the Hulk that well and reinvents the character in this movie to be interesting without actually doing much legwork - now Bruce and the Hulk are each afraid of each other, and the Hulk is a giant baby that somehow gets rocked to sleep by Black Widow, and Bruce and Natasha have this bizarre relationship that comes out of left field simply so Natasha can have a false sense of depth. I dunno that it was done as a reaction to the Hulk "stealing the show" last time though, it felt more like a sense of confusion over where the character fits.

Hulk got reinvented every other issue in the original comic series (first he only changes at night, then he's under the complete mental control of Rick Jones, then he's got Hulk's body with Banner's brain, etc.). So it's kind of expected since most people don't understand how to write for the Hulk.

I do agree that Whedon doesn't really understand the Hulk's character completely; but he's given us the best onscreen representation so far. Of which, I'm sure Mark Ruffalo deserves most of the credit. I just think that filmmakers need to stop treating Hulk like a movie monster and that's step one to getting him right.

Secondly, every single Hulk movie ends up with the same plot: "Bruce Banner tries not to turn into the Hulk, then he turns into the Hulk." We've seen a few versions of that story before, it's time to come up with something new. To do that, of course, they need to establish the more intelligent Hulk from the comic books and grow the character past the "rage monster" stage.

It would also help if they started treating the Hulk like a separate character with a separate identity and not just an extension of Bruce Banner. Which is probably mistake number one that every filmmaker, including Whedon, has made with Hulk.

As for the Hulkbuster scene, the theater I was in was pretty crowded and I was forced to sit only three rows from the front of the theater. I was so close that I actually had to turn my head to see everything onscreen. So that could be one of the reasons I had trouble following the action. When I see the movie again this weekend, I'll try to sit further back.

I'm kind of surprised that you ranked Cap 1 so highly and Cap 2 so low. I would put Cap 2 right near the top, it's not just a great superhero movie, it's a great movie. I thought Cap 1 did its job and told a competent story, but nothing more.

Lord Malakite
05-08-2015, 12:05 PM
It would also help if they started treating the Hulk like a separate character with a separate identity and not just an extension of Bruce Banner. Which is probably mistake number one that every filmmaker, including Whedon, has made with Hulk.
If you haven't seen it, you might want to check out the animated Planet Hulk movie from 2010. I thought that was a pretty good representation.

JediTricks
05-08-2015, 01:36 PM
Hulk got reinvented every other issue in the original comic series (first he only changes at night, then he's under the complete mental control of Rick Jones, then he's got Hulk's body with Banner's brain, etc.). So it's kind of expected since most people don't understand how to write for the Hulk. Those all had justifications though, this was totally left field.


I do agree that Whedon doesn't really understand the Hulk's character completely; but he's given us the best onscreen representation so far. Of which, I'm sure Mark Ruffalo deserves most of the credit. I just think that filmmakers need to stop treating Hulk like a movie monster and that's step one to getting him right. Yeah, all of that is correct, except I have to assume Mark and Joss share credit on the representation in the first movie. "Puny god!" was a great line and suggested there was a brain inside, not just a monster. Yet in Avengers 2 it's all gone.


As for the Hulkbuster scene, the theater I was in was pretty crowded and I was forced to sit only three rows from the front of the theater. I was so close that I actually had to turn my head to see everything onscreen. So that could be one of the reasons I had trouble following the action. When I see the movie again this weekend, I'll try to sit further back.I don't think it's fair for theaters to have seats close enough that the screen wraps beyond the viewer's field of vision, this isn't Circlevision at a Disney theme park.


I'm kind of surprised that you ranked Cap 1 so highly and Cap 2 so low. I would put Cap 2 right near the top, it's not just a great superhero movie, it's a great movie. I thought Cap 1 did its job and told a competent story, but nothing more.Cap 1 was a charming, joyful, exuberant story that bogged down about halfway in, but still was colorful and exciting. In comparison, Cap 2 feels drab, joyless, generic, and full of video-game like action and writing. I know a lot of fans felt it was better than the Avengers, but I cannot see why. The conspiracy felt like a pastiche of conspiracy movies right down to the stunt casting of Robert "help, my face is melting" Redford. The scripting and directing were shallow, it turned out because they got sitcom writers to handle it. There's a bunch of deus ex machinas. And the titular Winter Soldier was an absolute flop of writing - there's nothing in there that justifies the character at all nor why they would do what they did, instead it's all shortcuts that make him a shell. But the most frustrating is Cap's plan, the whole Marvel superhero world is in danger so what does he do? Not call in any existing friends, that's for sure, instead he takes a side trip to steal the Falcon suit so his buddy can pal along until it fails because it's not actually a good idea in any way and then Cap has to take a few bullets that mean nothing in the end.

No, the praise for this movie confuses me, it's an entirely dishonest expression of a Marvel movie and it doesn't feel in any way true to Cap or his universe.

bigbarada
05-08-2015, 10:06 PM
I don't think it's fair for theaters to have seats close enough that the screen wraps beyond the viewer's field of vision, this isn't Circlevision at a Disney theme park.

It's an old theater, originally designed for stage plays and was converted for movies in the 1940s or 1950s. So it's not an ideal location for watching big budget action film, but it's within walking distance and I'm friends with the owners, so I like to give them my business as much as possible.

Normally I sit near the back, but it was just too crowded. These superhero movies are a huge draw for the little farming town that I live in. I went back this evening to see it again and I was suprised that the theater was just as crowded as it was on opening weekend. I did manage to get a better seat though.

Anyways, upon second viewing, I like the movie much more. I think I had just watched the trailer too many times, so I was too preoccupied with trying to spot the trailer footage on the my first viewing. That's actually something that happens a lot when I watch a movie's trailer too many times before watching the movie.

Also there was something that didn't sit right with me, at first, but now I think I understand what it is. From 2008 through 2012, every movie that Marvel made was building towards the first Avengers film. It was the culmination of everything up to that point. However, Age of Ultron isn't the culmination of anything, it's just another building block as Marvel moves towards Infinity War.

So, it doesn't really work that well as a standalone movie, but it was never designed to be viewed that way. I'm not saying this to defend it's flaws, though, just trying to understand why those mistakes were made.