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JediTricks
08-17-2011, 02:30 PM
Hasbro has covered a lot of prequel ground over the last 12 years, to the point where almost every iteration of every character has a solid, modern-quality representation. However, their Star Wars brand is an ongoing business, it still runs the figure line from the entire saga, and in doing so, Hasbro attempts to cater to the whims of younger fans who grew up with the prequels and recognize Star Wars from that, along with hardcore fans who want high quality figures of everything - all while making sure that the mainstream markets don't ignore the product for being too specialized. It's a delicate balance, to be sure.

So the question becomes, is there a reasonable abundance of good, MARKETABLE ideas left for Hasbro to mine from the prequels, or has the last few years pushed out nearly everything that could need to be done? Cite examples and we will discuss.

Beast
08-17-2011, 02:42 PM
We still have some gowns for Padme that needs to be done.

We still need better versions of some of Senator/Chancellor Palpatine's robes.

We still don't have Jar Jar Binks in the outfit with the epaulettes from Padme's apartment.
Hell, we still need a version of his Senate robes that isn't Disco Dancing.

A lot of the early TPM figures that haven't been remade could use some new more articulated versions.

We still have plenty of Pod Racer Drivers that haven't been made in plastic yet.
Hell, we're finally getting Ben Quadrinaros. A character who was on the very first Fan Choice poll.

We don't have all of the members of the Seperatist Council from AotC. Where's Rogwa Wodrata?

El Chuxter
08-17-2011, 02:50 PM
Part of the problem is the way they release one or two items at a time. I'm not saying the whole line needs to focus on one thing, but it would really help if they coordinated releases of related items. You think it might've helped sales of the Hoth-related vintage stuff last year that one could easily buy (assuming they'd not all been snatched up) Hoth Leia, Echo Base Han, two different Endor sets (what were these called? not Battlepacks, IIRC), the AT-AT, and the Snowspeeder (and I think there may have been one or two Battlepacks as well at the same time).

There are also collectors who only collect the OT stuff. I doubt there are many, if any, collectors who only collect PT stuff. So it has to be promoted and coordinated, or it will fall flat.

First thing that popped in my mind when you said there were no marketable ideas in the Bail Organa thread: Podracers. Did they add much to the movie? Not really. Done right, though, these would have a ton of play value and do pretty well.

We've only had two actual podracers released, both in 1999, both woefully outdated now. There have been a handful of pilots, but widely spread out over the past twelve years (thirteen if you count Ben Quadinaros next year). For the 3D re-release of Episode I, we're getting two new pilots (one being a WM exclusive) and a TRU-exclusive set of previously-released pilots.

Imagine if, perhaps starting late this year and continuing to the end of next year, there were two new podracers, with pilots, released every 2-3 months. Start with Anakin and Sebulba. Re-do the podracers from scratch, throwing in stupid missile launchers and other play features that are easily masked or removed for display. Toss in a new pilot figure, once who doesn't look like crap when he's not in the pod. Also include a pit droid (or C-3PO for Anakin) with the racer's flag. Go through the podracers that have been picked for production in order of coolness and popularity, keeping earlier ones in the mix.

Meanwhile, coordinate with the Vintage and Legends lines to release new and older figures related to the podrace regularly through the year. A new desert Padme, Shmi, and Qui-Gon would be no-brainers for the Vintage line. They don't have to take over the lines, just one or two per wave.

Coordinate it with a marketing push, maybe a silly contest. Maybe get the classic Racer game finally released for the Wii Virtual Console (and other consoles, too--I only mention Wii because it was an N64 game). TV ads. Some sort of Dark Horse tie-in, maybe... heck, even get those fanwankers at The Clone Wars to integrate a rematch between Anakin and Sebulba while Lobot officiates and Boba Fett shoots at both of them and then Wicket shows up for no reason except to sing a duet with Ahsoka Cyrus.

Same thing with the Battle of Naboo: the problem isn't so much that kids don't want the toys, but that the toys are released over such large spans of time that kids will get one thing and outgrow playing with the toys before the next one comes out. They don't need to go with theme waves; that's overkill. But having a ton of toys from a given movie that have little relation to one another aside from being from the same movie is, uh, underkill.

Droid
08-17-2011, 02:56 PM
Great idea for a thread.

It is interesting to me how with all of the "freedom" Lucas had to do whatever he wanted in the prequels that there is still so many more unique ideas from the original trilogy than the prequels. I know it could be argued that it is a matter of taste or nostalgia for those of us who would argue the original trilogy has a more marketable quality, but I think if you look at the number of characters you can even make out in the Outlander club versus the number of characters that could still be made from the cantina, it is pretty obvious where the options still are.

I think the prequels have been well mined for toys. There is always room for an improved sculpt and they need to keep things available for new customers, but there isn't much left that wouldn't really be scraping BELOW the bottom of the barrel.

Let's look at our own polling from this site that occurred before and shortly after Revenge of the Sith. The following characters are still unmade from our MOST WANTED list:

Tey How, Senator Amidala (Palpatine's office AOTC), Jocasta Nu, Queen Jamilla, Cliegg Lars, Tonbuck Toora
Senator Amidala (Senate Landing Platform - hair in "Leia buns," - ROTS), and Birthing Droid.

That's what's left! A Nemoidian (poor sellers), four sculpts of women who stood around talking (two Padmes, a queen, and a librarian), a MATERNITY droid, an alien that most of us can't even agree on spelling or which movie he's in and if it's a Separatist or a Seantor (Toora), and an old man in a galactic wheelchair (Cliegg). Slim pickings for an action figure line!

I personally would like to see Kitster, Wald, and a resculpt of Emperor Palpatine announcing the formation of Empire. Those and Cliegg are really the only four figures from the prequels I am interested in, though I would buy others if I liked them. But Kitster and Wald would likely be slow sellers and the Emperor I want isn't a very dynamic scene. I think as much dialogue as Cliegg has he should have been made, though they probably should have tried to make the figure right when the movie came out. I believe each year his chances get slimmer. My own most wanted picks from the prequesl aren't very marketable.

That said, I don't think things are much better in the original trilogy lineup. There are a few figures here and there that would be neat (Treva Horme, Torryn Farr), but I don't think most people have any idea who those characters are. I'd like an Uncle Owen resculpt, but even Owen isn't very iconic. There are a handful of vintage figures that haven't been redone if you're being very, very picky (Sim Aloo, Lumat, Nikto, etc.). But I think that for all six films there are only two areas that really are ripe for more figures and that is the cantina and Jabba's Palace. But the remaining characters there aren't the iconic ones, are fairly obscure, and I think just have a good shot because the figure may be interesting as "another Star Wars alien."

I understand that my analysis here is tied to my own tastes. I prefer original trilogy to prequel. I am most interested in the cantina and Jabba's Palace. But, although I think Hasbro has shot itself in the foot of late with distribution and some other choices, I am amazed how long the line has gone and the sheer depth and diversity of the line. I can't believe the figures they made I've been able to add to my collection. This is the most complete action figure line of all time! But there isn't much left to do that is new, and even less that is marketable. There was a time where what the collectors wanted matched with what kids wanted or what casual purchasers might find interesting. Now they are making figures that are so niche that when people make their most requested lists I have to look up who they are talking about. Things are getting pretty obscure.

Their best best is to probably make figures that will appeal to kids and new collectors that are good sculpts or have interesting accessories to attract collectors and to have a few collector figures a year to keep us in the game.

But to answer your question, there are not a number of good MARKETABLE ideas from the prequels that have never been done before. I'd still like an Episode II Jedi Anakin with a sculpted, not cloth goods Jedi robe. I think that might sell. That's about all I can think of.

Droid
08-17-2011, 02:57 PM
Beast, though I think those are figures they might make, I don't think there's a very marketable one in there.

Beast
08-17-2011, 03:17 PM
Sure there is. Because the kids are more interested in Clone Wars. And the movie stuff appeals more to adults.

Droid
08-17-2011, 03:31 PM
Just took another look at it, and if you look at our two first major polls on still to be made figures, our two lists from the last Hasbro sponsored Fan Poll, and Hasbro's final list from their last Fan Poll, there are still 13 prequel figures left from ALL of those polling lists. The results show not only how obscure what is left is, but what a good job Hasbro did of making figures people wanted from the prequels. They are, in alphabetical order,:

1. Birthing Droid (SSG polling)
2. Cliegg (Hasbro finalist)
3. Corde (Hasbro finalist)
4. Dorme (Hasbro finalist)
5. Jocasa Nu (Hasbro finalist)
6. Kister (Hasbro finalist)
7. Padme (Palpatine’s office AOTC) (SSG)
8. Padme (ROTS in Leia hair buns) (SSG)
9. Queen Apailana (Hasbro finalist)
10. Queen Jamilla (Hasbro finalist)
11. Tey How (Hasbro finalist)
12. Tonbuck Toora (SSG)
13. Wald (Hasbro finalist)

Not ONE of those 13 figures was shown holding a blaster or lightsaber in their particular scene. 7 of the characters are human women who stood around talking. Two are children who stood around talking, though Wald is an alien of an iconic Star Wars species. Tey How is from a poor selling alien species and pretty much sat in a chair making announcements. One is an old man with a lot of dialogue while sitting in his chair. One is a VERY obscure alien. One is a maternity droid.

Now any one of these figures is just as justifiable as others that have been made in the line. But when making an analysis of if there is a lot of marketable choices from the prequels the answer is a resounding no. Their best best is getting people to buy new versions of something they already have or to get people to buy their first Darth Maul or Jango Fett.

Update: If you look at the nominees Hasbro has offered or the finalists in ALL other Hasbro polling, the only other two that I didn't mention as part of the 13 above is the Twil'ek Masseusse and DEAD Padme. I don't think either of these two figures bolster the argument that there are a lot of marketable ideas left.

Beast
08-17-2011, 03:44 PM
And it's not like they're going to release all those characters in a single wave.

Hasbro is pretty good about balancing new versions of main characters with obscure wild cards.

Tycho
08-18-2011, 06:11 AM
Hasbro has covered a lot of prequel ground over the last 12 years, to the point where almost every iteration of every character has a solid, modern-quality representation.

Jocasta Nu?
Cliegg Lars?
Separatist Tiikes?
Separatist Wogra Woodrata?
Leading Lady Padme Amidala in how many outfits from AOTC and ROTS - especially Senator ones since that's what she is?

Apparently, these are missing. See my comments that contrast with yours below before you take this to be the whole of my answer to you because there's a point missing. I think I address it immediately below.



However, their Star Wars brand is an ongoing business, it still runs the figure line from the entire saga, and in doing so, Hasbro attempts to cater to the whims of younger fans who grew up with the prequels and recognize Star Wars from that, along with hardcore fans who want high quality figures of everything

This is where Jocasta Nu and Cliegg Lars come in. For the diorama builders who are much like the cantina or Jabba the Hutt scene fans, and want everything. In some waves with high volume "movers" like Vader, the obscure collector figures like Hermione Bagwa or Queen Jamilla get inserted. There is a smaller market for them, granted, but there is a market. Thus aren't they marketable? I would say yes.

Hasbro also has a "model railroaders' group of fans of authenticity" in the hobby that want such characters such as Tey How.




- all while making sure that the mainstream markets don't ignore the product for being too specialized. It's a delicate balance, to be sure.

There we certainly both understand and agree.

When I post my desire for an Anaconda Farr figure, and include Bail Organa, etc - I am not looking for a whole wave of just these figures:

Skeletal Remains of Aunt Beru
Skeletal Remains of Uncle Owen
Smooshed Jawa
Scrapped CZ-9
Dead Ewok
Shot Greedo

etc.

However, I'd like to know all of these which many fans as would support being made, have a running list of them, and get one or two every once in a while.

You know, I barely buy Star Wars figures any more? From the current wave, I've only bought 5 Bom Vimdims and 2 Bariss Offees and I don't think I'm buying any more Star Wars figures until another wave comes out.

Battle Droid
08-18-2011, 07:48 AM
I'm still waiting on a transformable Droideka.

It can be done, they've given smaller figures near SA.

mtriv73
08-18-2011, 09:54 AM
When I post my desire for an Anaconda Farr figure, and include Bail Organa, etc - I am not looking for a whole wave of just these figures:

Skeletal Remains of Aunt Beru
Skeletal Remains of Uncle Owen
Smooshed Jawa
Scrapped CZ-9
Dead Ewok
Shot Greedo

etc.



Throw in funeral pyre vader, padme in coffin, and a few shot stormtroopers and I would buy multiple cases of that wave.

Beast
08-18-2011, 11:06 AM
It's kinda a shame that the Funeral Pyre Vader figure never made it to retail.

DarkArtist
08-18-2011, 03:13 PM
It's kinda a shame that the Funeral Pyre Vader figure never made it to retail.

i'm still holding out hope that this set is going to be an exclusive for CVI....

JediTricks
08-18-2011, 03:22 PM
Part of the problem is the way they release one or two items at a time. I'm not saying the whole line needs to focus on one thing, but it would really help if they coordinated releases of related items. You think it might've helped sales of the Hoth-related vintage stuff last year that one could easily buy (assuming they'd not all been snatched up) Hoth Leia, Echo Base Han, two different Endor sets (what were these called? not Battlepacks, IIRC), the AT-AT, and the Snowspeeder (and I think there may have been one or two Battlepacks as well at the same time).

There are also collectors who only collect the OT stuff. I doubt there are many, if any, collectors who only collect PT stuff. So it has to be promoted and coordinated, or it will fall flat.Hasbro says they try to coordinate stuff like pilots and vehicles, obviously it still needs fine-tuning. That said, they also have said that without a big event to coordinate on, that releasing too much of 1 theme at a time makes it difficult on buyers who can't afford to get everything at once. And the reality is that the market no longer supports having some product on shelves for 2 seasons, everything is about rush-rush-rush with retailers.


First thing that popped in my mind when you said there were no marketable ideas in the Bail Organa thread: Podracers. Did they add much to the movie? Not really. Done right, though, these would have a ton of play value and do pretty well.

We've only had two actual podracers released, both in 1999, both woefully outdated now. There have been a handful of pilots, but widely spread out over the past twelve years (thirteen if you count Ben Quadinaros next year). For the 3D re-release of Episode I, we're getting two new pilots (one being a WM exclusive) and a TRU-exclusive set of previously-released pilots.

Imagine if, perhaps starting late this year and continuing to the end of next year, there were two new podracers, with pilots, released every 2-3 months. Start with Anakin and Sebulba. Re-do the podracers from scratch, throwing in stupid missile launchers and other play features that are easily masked or removed for display. Toss in a new pilot figure, once who doesn't look like crap when he's not in the pod. Also include a pit droid (or C-3PO for Anakin) with the racer's flag. Go through the podracers that have been picked for production in order of coolness and popularity, keeping earlier ones in the mix.Podracer vehicles have a lot of disadvantages:
- they don't do much in the movie but race around so they don't have all that much "play value";
- they don't interact with other characters or vehicles except bumping into each other occasionally so there's no co-selling figures to them;
- their pilots aren't so much characters as throw-away aliens;
- they aren't repeated anywhere in the saga so they can't be repainted or reused;
- they aren't all that "aggressive" (they have no weapons);
- they are part of a section of the film that folks felt was exceptionally slow and detached from the story;
- each one requires a whole new set of specialized, expensive tooling (or actually, 2 whole new sets of tooling if you take this "throw in a figure" tack);
- every single iteration of podracer product has performed poorly at market - Hasbro's own 2 vehicles, Galoob's multiple lines (Micro Machines, Podracers, Build-a-Podracer, Action Fleet, Action Fleet deluxe wind-up);
- what you're suggesting goes well over the $25 pricepoint with multiple figures, flags, and features.

So the idea that more podracers is a "marketable" idea seems a tad overly short-sighted and head-in-the-clouds. Were you considering investing in the idea with your own money, would you go for it? I know I wouldn't.



Beast, though I think those are figures they might make, I don't think there's a very marketable one in there.Your other posts are really good, but this one is the one I have to voice agreement with.


And it's not like they're going to release all those characters in a single wave.

Hasbro is pretty good about balancing new versions of main characters with obscure wild cards.That isn't what we're talking about though, we're not talking about 'obscure wild cards', we're talking about product that is marketable.



Jocasta Nu?
Cliegg Lars?
Separatist Tiikes?
Separatist Wogra Woodrata?
Leading Lady Padme Amidala in how many outfits from AOTC and ROTS - especially Senator ones since that's what she is?

Apparently, these are missing. See my comments that contrast with yours below before you take this to be the whole of my answer to you because there's a point missing. I think I address it immediately below.Hi, crazy person, you just quoted my statement and started highlighting at the word "almost", then ignored it - as in "almost every iteration" and "almost every character".

Plus, we have 21 Padme figures from the realistic line at this point and none of them have been strong sellers, so it's not for lack of trying, it's for lack of interest that we don't have more figures from that.


This is where Jocasta Nu and Cliegg Lars come in. For the diorama builders who are much like the cantina or Jabba the Hutt scene fans, and want everything. In some waves with high volume "movers" like Vader, the obscure collector figures like Hermione Bagwa or Queen Jamilla get inserted. There is a smaller market for them, granted, but there is a market. Thus aren't they marketable? I would say yes.

Hasbro also has a "model railroaders' group of fans of authenticity" in the hobby that want such characters such as Tey How.Model railroading isn't a very good business model to argue from. That hobby is excessively expensive because its market is microscopic. Imagine paying 10 times what we currently pay for figures with less features, and then some you have to paint them yourself - could Star Wars support that? Hell no. Attakus tried, there was no market. The question isn't where there's a microcosm, the question is whether there are good marketable ideas left on which to draw. Just because 10 people might buy a figure doesn't make them a small market if the line's business model requires selling 5,000 units to be marketable.


There we certainly both understand and agree.

When I post my desire for an Anaconda Farr figure, and include Bail Organa, etc - I am not looking for a whole wave of just these figures:

Skeletal Remains of Aunt Beru
Skeletal Remains of Uncle Owen
Smooshed Jawa
Scrapped CZ-9
Dead Ewok
Shot Greedo

etc.

However, I'd like to know all of these which many fans as would support being made, have a running list of them, and get one or two every once in a while.Clearly we don't both understand, because you consistently argue from the point of view that a product with zero chance of making its money back is worth risking simply because you want it, that somehow its blatant failure won't affect the rest of the wave, much less the rest of the line. You may as well be suggesting that every figure come with a gold ingot, because that's essentially what it'll be, each figure will come with the additional cost of the burden of supporting a figure Hasbro knows will take a huge loss - each figure's budget affects the other figures in its wave, and each wave's budget affects the line overall and especially the next year's budget. Think of Star Wars figure planning as a big net, each figure's success raises its part of the net, each figure's failures drag its part of the net down, but every figure is in the net together so each failure drags not only itself down but the figures around it, and there hasn't been a figure so successful that it's ever raised the whole net - Hasbro's business model is merely to hope that they can keep the net raising in tiny increments, but mostly just from sinking to the bottom of the sea.


You know, I barely buy Star Wars figures any more? From the current wave, I've only bought 5 Bom Vimdims and 2 Bariss Offees and I don't think I'm buying any more Star Wars figures until another wave comes out.You may not have noticed, but almost nobody in SW collecting has done anything but "barely buy Star Wars figures anymore", the line has gone through horrible times the last 9 months, there's been almost no Clone Wars figures, almost no vehicles, almost no TVC figures, not even many Saga Legends - the line has been on life support. Were it not for TRU's 2-for-$11 sale last week, I wouldn't have bought 6 more AOTC Clones, otherwise the number of figures I've bought this year has been staggeringly low, 9 total characters, and the high pricepoint keeps me from buying more casually the way I used to.



I'm still waiting on a transformable Droideka.

It can be done, they've given smaller figures near SA.But not on thinner parts. I have the Hasbro transformable Droideka from the Mega Action line, it cheats by transforming backwards and it bulks up the chest to get those joints to move the way they need to. It might be possible without those cheats, but it'd need a LOT of joints at the "neck" and "chest" and "spine", and another problem would be that the "face" retracts into the head and then is strong enough to support the weight of the droid, but on a figure that would be too thin to do so. All that for a droid that doesn't sell that well in general. It's a bad recipe unfortunately, as it'd probably cost too much or not pass Hasbro safety, but we fans would like to see it done right (I'd like to see the regular Battle Droid done right at the neck and arm articulation, but apparently that's also never going to happen).



It's kinda a shame that the Funeral Pyre Vader figure never made it to retail.Unfortunately, it seems to have gotten caught in the "marketable" aspect of things, retailers I guess don't believe it'd sell, and I can't say I'm entirely surprised. Heck, the first thing I heard someone say to Hasbro when they showed us the prototype in person a few years ago was "I was expecting it to have the music from the scene" (licensing costs are high for the music), so even die-hards think it could be better.

El Chuxter
08-18-2011, 08:34 PM
So the idea that more podracers is a "marketable" idea seems a tad overly short-sighted and head-in-the-clouds. Were you considering investing in the idea with your own money, would you go for it? I know I wouldn't.
If I were Hasbro and had their resources at their disposal, yes. Keep in mind that what I was talking about involved:
Year-long support
Collector-friendly vehicles with totally BS cannons and rockets and stuff
New and re-released figures (including an excuse to make oft-requested things like a Padme resculpt)
A marketing campaign, including some sort of cool contest for kids
Tie-in to the re-release of The Phantom Menace
If possible, a Clone Wars tie-in (Honestly, do you think the folks making that show care that Anakin and Sebulba had a rematch in an excellent series of books they seem determined to crap all over? And do you think they aren't itching to have that very rematch on their show, involving as many extraneous fanwank cameos as possible?)

If they can make the GIJoe 25th Anniversary and Pursuit of Cobra lines work (which, insane poorly-done distribution that leads to one or two pegwarmers killing the line aside, they both did) with absolutely no media support, I think they could pull podracers off. Adults think they were extraneous to the plot. I've yet to meet a kid who didn't say that was his (or her) favorite part of the movie.

Droid
08-18-2011, 11:20 PM
So I went looking around the other sites to see what their polling lists showed as the figures the collecting community wants from the prequels this year. Leaving out resculpts, as we're supposed to be looking at what's "left to do", not what could they do again, there is the following:

Aehrrley Rue – helmeted denizen, Mos Espa (I have no idea who that is even after looking at the photo)
Ann/Tan Gella (Girls who give a massage?)
Ark “Bumpy” Roose – podracer (I have never heard of this podcacer)
Elan Mak (Kam Nale) – podracer (never heard of this podracer)
Kitster (human child, they'd probably do better to release a new Anakin)
Wald (iconic alien, but a child)
R5-X2 (Jabba’s box) (I guess this could work, but they just sold R5-D4)
Tey How (sat there, made comments)
PK Droid (maybe a good packin with something)

And that's the Phantom Menace. Pretty slim pickings. The R5 unit is probably the most marketable of those choices. I know that the collectors are probably asking for figures they'd like, not necessarily saying what is marketable. But this is what the collecting community as a whole believes is "left" from Episode I.

Cliegg Lars (mostly exposition)
Corde (died and apologized for dying)
Dorme (female figure in a fancy dress, might as well do another Padme)
Hermione Bagwa – waitress (I really think this is the most sloppy costuming in Star Wars history. It looks like they
bought this outfit at a mall. I hate that scene for making Star Wars seem less otherwordly and
seem like a zany version of our own, but this character really looks like she wandered out from
behind the counter at Spencer Gifts or something.)
Jocasta Nu (librarian. And there again, remember when in Star Wars the next step on the road was interesting.
the Jawas led the droids to Luke, Yoda taught Luke the force. Now if you want to get to the next
phase of the adventure you literally go to the library to be scolded by the lady in charge.)
Onaconda Farr/Dar Wac (Rodian assistant) (this could work, but you could also take the Rodian from Jabba's band
and use it couldn't you. The marketable idea is different aliens in Renaissance fair clothes?)
Queen Jamilla (might as well do Padme)
Rogwa Wodrata (Separatist) (you have to pause the movie to see this alien)
Gilramos Libkath (Neimodian/Rune Haako) (can't you just use your Episode I Rune Haako figure?)
Sar Labooda (arena background Jedi) (this is a Jedi, but the Target arena sets had random Jedi and they didn't
seem to be a terribly marketable hit)
Sarissa Jeng (arena background Jedi) (see above)
Padme – Lakeside (the number of outfits Padme wore where she just talked to someone is so over the top)
Padme – Loyalist Committee
Padme – Picnic
Padme – Packing (Really, look at this. People want the figure where Padme went to a picnic or was PACKING! In
the original trilogy Han and Leia were going through asteroid fields and encountering mynocks in a cave that
turned out to be a worm. Anakin and Padme talked by a lake, ate a pear, went on a picnic, and sat by
a fire. It's like every bad romance novel cliche in one movie, like that's what Lucas perceives as what it
should be like when two people REALLY, REALLY fall in love. And we want action figures of this?)
Sephjet Josall (background Jedi) (see above)
Tikkes (Separatist) (same as with the Rodian)
Toonbuck Toora (Separatist) (Used to be with Star Wars aliens they were tough customers in a bar, or bounty
hunters, or fighting Luke on a sail barge, now we can watch them govern!)

And that's Episode II. The Jedi are probably the most marketable, but I'd worry about them pegwarming if they were carded figures.

BD-3000 Luxury Droid (where is this in the movie?)
Merumeru (another Wookie would probably be a good choice)
Emperor Palpatine (Foundation of Emperor) (a main character, but in a non-dynamic scene)
Padme (Anakin’s Return) (she has Leia's hairdo so it's probably the best choice for all the Padmes left)
J’oopi She’ (Klaatu Jedi) (obscure, but an alien Jedi might sell, see Target analysis above)
Padme (Declaration of Empire) (sitting and talking)
GH-7 Midwife Droid (MIDWIFE DROID!)
EW-3 Midwife Droid
Ma’kis’shaalas (Jedi)
Mon Calimari Water Dancer (interesting concept art, but a Star Wars ballerina might not be the best idea)
Queen Apailana
Padme Funeral (she's DEAD!)
Padme Peacock Dress
Senator Fang Zar (is he from the cut scenes?)
Whie Malreauz (Padawan Learner)

A few more Jedis and Wookies might sell to the kids. They might fit in with the Clones Wars mindset.

So my opinion remains the same, even with the intense market research of the collecting community, there isn't much that's marketable. The only main characters people list as choices in the poling results are Padme and Palpatine.

El Chuxter
08-18-2011, 11:22 PM
I still say Erdan would be hella marketable as far as TPM figures go. He might do nothing, and might have to come in a multipack, but a giant dude with black and white facial tattoos, led on a leash by Warwick Davis (as Weazel? this still ain't clear)? That's gold there. Gold.

Mr. JabbaJohnL
08-19-2011, 12:10 AM
I still say Erdan would be hella marketable as far as TPM figures go. He might do nothing, and might have to come in a multipack, but a giant dude with black and white facial tattoos, led on a leash by Warwick Davis (as Weazel? this still ain't clear)? That's gold there. Gold.
I don't recall Weazel leading Erdan; I thought Weazel only showed up at the pod race (and Wookieepedia makes no mention of the two being connected). Is you crazy?

As to the main point of this thread, I think there are still a number of good ideas to be made from the prequels (I'll include a list sometime soon). There are a few vehicles (both all-new tools and simple repaints) that I'd like to see for the TPM re-release, since I don't know when else they'd be able to do them. Since the prequels ****ed off a lot of fans, I think they'd be best to focus on the elements that resonated the most with the most fans instead of going for remaking or re-releasing everything, and they seem to be doing this so far (with things like picking Jedi training Anakin over slave Anakin, and adding Quinlan to the line, and so on).

Really, though, they did a pretty great job of covering all three, thanks mostly to the intense marketing pushes when the films came out. As has been said, figure-wise there's not a lot of ground left to cover, but that can really also be said with the originals as well. All the heavy hitters have been done and re-done countless times, so now it's mostly background and expository characters from all six left to do without getting into resculpts.

El Chuxter
08-19-2011, 09:14 AM
I don't recall Weazel leading Erdan; I thought Weazel only showed up at the pod race (and Wookieepedia makes no mention of the two being connected). Is you crazy?
Warwick Davis, sans mask, is leading Erdan on a chain. I've never seen this particular character named, nor even specifically stated to be separate from Weazel.

Droid
08-19-2011, 10:53 AM
I haven't heard of those characters, though I know Warwick Davis was in the movie. I'd like a figure of him, but it doesn't strike me as marketable. I seriously doubt that they would include the leash. It doesn't seem real PC.

I've been thinking over the marketable question. I think that gift sets for each movie might be marketable, perhaps at the time each movie comes out in 3D, if they all come out in 3D. But these are certainly rehashes.

If they'd use old sculpts or kitbashes so that they kept it to $5 a figure, less than $50, I could see parents buying them for their kids, kind of an "all in one swoop" kind of thing. But then if you did this, it might hurt the carded line. "You already have all those figures."

But I could see:

TPM:

1. Anakin
2. Padme (or the Queen)
3. Qui-Gon
4. Obi-wan
5. Darth Maul
6. Jar Jar
7. C-3P0
8. R2-D2
9. Battle Droid

It could be a starter kit.

AOTC:

1. Anakin
2. Padme
3. Obi-wan
4. Dooku
5. Yoda
6. Jango Fett
7. C-3P0
8. R2-D2 with his stupid flying rockets
9. A Clone Trooper

ROTS:

1. Anakin
2. Padme
3. Obi-wan
4. Darth Sidious
5. Grievous
6. Gold plated C-3P0
7. Chewbacca
8. Mace Windu
9. Clone Trooper

JediTricks
08-19-2011, 03:09 PM
If I were Hasbro and had their resources at their disposal, yes.No, I'm talking about with YOUR money. Don't pretend like Hasbro has unlimited resources, the brand has a limited budget because they don't want money-losers sucking the company down the tubes like it almost did in 2000 after over-investing in TPM caused Hasbro to restructure to avoid bankruptcy. I'm talking about with YOUR money, you are YOU and will be the significant investor in this scenario - would you take YOUR money and risk it on that podracer idea with the intention of selling it on the existing market?


Keep in mind that what I was talking about involved:
Year-long supportWhich already doesn't fit the existing market.


Collector-friendly vehicles with totally BS cannons and rockets and stuffUnless they're really well-hidden, they won't be collector-friendly. And if they're too BS, then the kiddies won't respond to them.


New and re-released figures (including an excuse to make oft-requested things like a Padme resculpt)I had taken that into account, figures now run $7 a pop and you want to toss one OR MORE into a set that costs less than 4 times that amount.


A marketing campaign, including some sort of cool contest for kidsSo you want to take your investment and increase it by an expensive marketing campaign.


Tie-in to the re-release of The Phantom MenaceThe re-release that its own producer suggests is only an experiment and may very well flop on its face, and it's coming out in the exciting, kid-friendly month of February.


If possible, a Clone Wars tie-in (Honestly, do you think the folks making that show care that Anakin and Sebulba had a rematch in an excellent series of books they seem determined to crap all over? And do you think they aren't itching to have that very rematch on their show, involving as many extraneous fanwank cameos as possible?)So far, Lucasfilm hasn't shown much interest in this sort of synergy, and what you suggest doesn't involve ANY of the ideas you've put forward, Anakin and Sebulba are the only existing podracers, you want to make all the OTHER ones.


If they can make the GIJoe 25th Anniversary and Pursuit of Cobra lines work (which, insane poorly-done distribution that leads to one or two pegwarmers killing the line aside, they both did) with absolutely no media support, I think they could pull podracers off. Adults think they were extraneous to the plot. I've yet to meet a kid who didn't say that was his (or her) favorite part of the movie.Poorly-done distribution is often a sign that something in the line isn't working, not the other way around. Usually it means retailers are very concerned the line isn't going to work on their shelves and want tweaks to ensure the best possible chances with their customers. Also, your GI Joe analogy seems to have no connective tissue to the idea of another 16 all-new Podracer vehicles and figures, they are totally different animals with entirely different markets. And finally, to say that you haven't met a kid who didn't say it was their favorite part is a little dubious, you've asked EVERY child you've met over the last 12 years since TPM came out what their favorite part of the movie was, and that ALL those children saw and remembered the movie that well, and that the race scene remained their favorite part consistently throughout that span despite some kids born in the interim not even likely seeing the film? IMO, it seems like you're stacking the deck to fit your wishlist item. But even if you're not, even if every single child in 1999 found the podrace to be their favorite sequence in the film, why then did EVERY SINGLE PODRACE PRODUCT in that year fail miserably at market? Because even if it was their favorite, it certainly didn't translate to sales - not of the characters, and not of the vehicles.



So I went looking around the other sites to see what their polling lists showed as the figures the collecting community wants from the prequels this year. Leaving out resculpts, as we're supposed to be looking at what's "left to do", not what could they do again, there is the following:

Aehrrley Rue – helmeted denizen, Mos Espa (I have no idea who that is even after looking at the photo)
Ann/Tan Gella (Girls who give a massage?)
Ark “Bumpy” Roose – podracer (I have never heard of this podcacer)
Elan Mak (Kam Nale) – podracer (never heard of this podracer)
Kitster (human child, they'd probably do better to release a new Anakin)
Wald (iconic alien, but a child)
R5-X2 (Jabba’s box) (I guess this could work, but they just sold R5-D4)
Tey How (sat there, made comments)
PK Droid (maybe a good packin with something)

And that's the Phantom Menace. Pretty slim pickings. The R5 unit is probably the most marketable of those choices. I know that the collectors are probably asking for figures they'd like, not necessarily saying what is marketable. But this is what the collecting community as a whole believes is "left" from Episode I. Aehrrley Rue, I have never heard of that or noticed it at all. Wow. That's impressive seeing how much research I put into TPM back when it came out.

I have heard of those 2 podracers only because of the aforementioned research I put in, and then secondarily because of the Podracing video game.

I agree with you on the upshot, none of it seems exceptionally marketable.


Cliegg Lars (mostly exposition)
Corde (died and apologized for dying)
Dorme (female figure in a fancy dress, might as well do another Padme)
Hermione Bagwa – waitress (I really think this is the most sloppy costuming in Star Wars history. It looks like they
bought this outfit at a mall. I hate that scene for making Star Wars seem less otherwordly and
seem like a zany version of our own, but this character really looks like she wandered out from
behind the counter at Spencer Gifts or something.)
Jocasta Nu (librarian. And there again, remember when in Star Wars the next step on the road was interesting.
the Jawas led the droids to Luke, Yoda taught Luke the force. Now if you want to get to the next
phase of the adventure you literally go to the library to be scolded by the lady in charge.)
Onaconda Farr/Dar Wac (Rodian assistant) (this could work, but you could also take the Rodian from Jabba's band
and use it couldn't you. The marketable idea is different aliens in Renaissance fair clothes?)
Queen Jamilla (might as well do Padme)
Rogwa Wodrata (Separatist) (you have to pause the movie to see this alien)
Gilramos Libkath (Neimodian/Rune Haako) (can't you just use your Episode I Rune Haako figure?)
Sar Labooda (arena background Jedi) (this is a Jedi, but the Target arena sets had random Jedi and they didn't
seem to be a terribly marketable hit)
Sarissa Jeng (arena background Jedi) (see above)
Padme – Lakeside (the number of outfits Padme wore where she just talked to someone is so over the top)
Padme – Loyalist Committee
Padme – Picnic
Padme – Packing (Really, look at this. People want the figure where Padme went to a picnic or was PACKING! In
the original trilogy Han and Leia were going through asteroid fields and encountering mynocks in a cave that
turned out to be a worm. Anakin and Padme talked by a lake, ate a pear, went on a picnic, and sat by
a fire. It's like every bad romance novel cliche in one movie, like that's what Lucas perceives as what it
should be like when two people REALLY, REALLY fall in love. And we want action figures of this?)
Sephjet Josall (background Jedi) (see above)
Tikkes (Separatist) (same as with the Rodian)
Toonbuck Toora (Separatist) (Used to be with Star Wars aliens they were tough customers in a bar, or bounty
hunters, or fighting Luke on a sail barge, now we can watch them govern!)

And that's Episode II. The Jedi are probably the most marketable, but I'd worry about them pegwarming if they were carded figures.
Hermione Bagwa's costume is sadly accurate to the rather lame design drawn up for her.

I've never heard of Sephjet Josall, what a boring-looking guy he is! How would that be in any way interesting? The Jedi used to be wizards, sorcerror monk warriors, but with the prequels they're just "guy in robes holding light-stick".

Anyway, yeah, that list is about as marketable as ice cubes to eskimos.


BD-3000 Luxury Droid (where is this in the movie?)
Merumeru (another Wookie would probably be a good choice)
Emperor Palpatine (Foundation of Emperor) (a main character, but in a non-dynamic scene)
Padme (Anakin’s Return) (she has Leia's hairdo so it's probably the best choice for all the Padmes left)
J’oopi She’ (Klaatu Jedi) (obscure, but an alien Jedi might sell, see Target analysis above)
Padme (Declaration of Empire) (sitting and talking)
GH-7 Midwife Droid (MIDWIFE DROID!)
EW-3 Midwife Droid
Ma’kis’shaalas (Jedi)
Mon Calimari Water Dancer (interesting concept art, but a Star Wars ballerina might not be the best idea)
Queen Apailana
Padme Funeral (she's DEAD!)
Padme Peacock Dress
Senator Fang Zar (is he from the cut scenes?)
Whie Malreauz (Padawan Learner)

A few more Jedis and Wookies might sell to the kids. They might fit in with the Clones Wars mindset.
BD-3000s were in the opera house. THE OPERA HOUSE! HOW EXCITING! I utterly hate the design too, as un-Star Wars as you can get. Creepy and plasticky and just awful. Certainly would make a fantastic action figure though, right? Yeah, give her a lightsaber, a blaster, and a garbage disposer or firecracker so kids can just take it from step A to Z right away.


So my opinion remains the same, even with the intense market research of the collecting community, there isn't much that's marketable. The only main characters people list as choices in the poling results are Padme and Palpatine. Good breakdown. That's about what I expected.

2-1B
08-25-2011, 09:52 PM
Chux, I know who you are talking about with that Warwick Davis / dude on a leash tandem...I recall seeing a pic of it in the Insider before TPM was released. I don't know what silly names have been assigned to them through the silly EU, but know I have seen them before. :snowman:

bigbarada
08-25-2011, 10:30 PM
No, I'm talking about with YOUR money. Don't pretend like Hasbro has unlimited resources, the brand has a limited budget because they don't want money-losers sucking the company down the tubes like it almost did in 2000 after over-investing in TPM caused Hasbro to restructure to avoid bankruptcy. I'm talking about with YOUR money, you are YOU and will be the significant investor in this scenario - would you take YOUR money and risk it on that podracer idea with the intention of selling it on the existing market?


When you put it that way, then I wouldn't risk much on Prequel based characters or designs.

I'd plan for a small assortment of figures (6-12 max), which would mostly be resculpts or rereleases of the main characters, along with an update/rerelease of 1 or 2 of the most memorable vehicles from the films, to commemorate the 3D release of each film in the year of it's release. Otherwise, I would confine new Prequel offerings to the Clone Wars line until CW comes to an end. After that, I would put new Prequel product on hiatus for a few years to allow demand to build back up.

It's lack of product and perceived scarcity that generates demand, not the other way around.

Realistic OT offerings would continue as they are now without interruption. The way I see it, the OT has proven itself time and again at retail over the last 3 decades.

The amount of 2013 Ep2 releases would be totally dependent on the reception of the 2012 Ep1 toys. In other words, if the Ep1 products don't sell through, then Ep2 would likely get one small wave of figures, or maybe a single multipack, along with 1 rereleased vehicle (most likely something with a proven track record that requires no tooling costs like the Jedi Starfighter). 2014 Ep3 releases would be predicated on the reception of the Ep2 toys.

After 2014, then no new Prequel toys outside of Clone Wars (assuming that line is still around by then), until we test the waters again with a small 20th anniversary line for Ep1 in 2019.

Tycho
08-30-2011, 07:45 PM
I like BigBarada's idea to a degree.

They can continue to card the main characters vintage style (Do we have Dooku yet?) and put in some obscure collector ones.

They should lay off prequel troop builders (other than the obligatory Separatist Droid Army figures that need vintage cards).

Let Clone Wars offer the rest for now (clones for example).

Then return to them when Clone Wars is done.

Meanwhile - OT Troop Builders like the various Rebels and Imperials (which I'm glad to see they are getting to - B-Wing, A-Wing Pilots, Echo Base Troops, but maybe Torryn Farr, the next Bespin Guard, new variations on Luke et. all - like the Dagobah (Bespin jacket) one I suggested in another thread.

They could also do more OT EU this way - with the main characters in waves to move 'em - like Chief of State Organa-Solo, the older Han (use an improved Indy KOTCS head variation), and new Luke Jedi Master figures, along with Anakin Solo, new Yuuzhan Vong, Imp. Adm. Palleon, the Noghri, C'Boath, the Dark Empire "Jedi Executors" like Sedriss and Nysst, plus the Jedi Heroes like Kam Solasar and Kyp Durron, Tionne, more Jaina and Jacen Solo variations, etc. - Just stay away from the old Marvel. I don't think they still have a following because the comic 2-packs that dragged sales down were Marvel from my POV.

Then go back to the Prequels moreso, when CW is over.

Meanwhile, expand CW, so I can have an animated Bail Organa, Anaconda Farr, Senator Ttsuchi, Duchess Satine, Chancellor Palpatine, etc.

JediTricks
09-27-2011, 03:04 PM
When you put it that way, then I wouldn't risk much on Prequel based characters or designs.

I'd plan for a small assortment of figures (6-12 max), which would mostly be resculpts or rereleases of the main characters, along with an update/rerelease of 1 or 2 of the most memorable vehicles from the films, to commemorate the 3D release of each film in the year of it's release. Otherwise, I would confine new Prequel offerings to the Clone Wars line until CW comes to an end. After that, I would put new Prequel product on hiatus for a few years to allow demand to build back up.

It's lack of product and perceived scarcity that generates demand, not the other way around.

Realistic OT offerings would continue as they are now without interruption. The way I see it, the OT has proven itself time and again at retail over the last 3 decades.

The amount of 2013 Ep2 releases would be totally dependent on the reception of the 2012 Ep1 toys. In other words, if the Ep1 products don't sell through, then Ep2 would likely get one small wave of figures, or maybe a single multipack, along with 1 rereleased vehicle (most likely something with a proven track record that requires no tooling costs like the Jedi Starfighter). 2014 Ep3 releases would be predicated on the reception of the Ep2 toys.

After 2014, then no new Prequel toys outside of Clone Wars (assuming that line is still around by then), until we test the waters again with a small 20th anniversary line for Ep1 in 2019.Sounds like you're saying there's not a lot of marketability in the prequels. ;)

I honestly don't think the 3D releases will continue after Ep 1, I think Lucas will perceive them as not living up to his level of expectation in either ticket sales or quality (or both) and let the idea die with TPM.

Which main prequel characters do you think the market would respond to in your idea? We're currently buried in Ep 2 and 3 Obi-Wan and Anakin, so I'd think they're out.



I like BigBarada's idea to a degree.

They can continue to card the main characters vintage style (Do we have Dooku yet?) and put in some obscure collector ones.No Dooku on vintage card yet.

Battle Droid
09-28-2011, 09:43 PM
Rogwa Wodrata (Separatist) (you have to pause the movie to see this alien)

Maybe, but she's one interesting looking alien (something like a hairy alligator), and she'd be a huge figure also.

I also think see's the only alien species in the Star Wars universe to be represented by only one character so far, rather it be in the films, or the EU.

El Chuxter
09-28-2011, 10:45 PM
Nope.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Waru

Though I'll forgive you overlooking that... thing. :D

Not entirely sure about Krelman and Goormanda (or however you spell it).