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JediTricks
03-24-2012, 03:27 PM
I just picked up both the Target-exclusive Tauntauns on clearance, and it got me thinking about how just about every tauntaun we meet in Empire gets killed.

1) Luke's Tauntaun is killed by a Wampa.

2) There's that dead Tauntaun in Echo Base that 2-1B is examining that we never learn got killed by another Wampa.

3) Han's Tauntaun dies of freezing temperatures and exhaustion, I assume, as it just plops down dead despite being native to Hoth.

4) Darth Vader just offscreen kills all the other Tauntauns in Echo Base with a combination of lightsaber throws and Force chokes.

That last one only happened in my imagination, but I think there's only 1 other on-screen Tauntaun at all and he's in the background. We never see these majestic snow-lizard steeds during the battle, and it seems unlikely that the Rebellion took them with when they evacuated.

So it's hard out here for a Tauntaun.

El Chuxter
03-24-2012, 04:16 PM
Interesting question. I don't think the EU ever addressed this, either. An army of Tauntaun-riding Rebels taking down an AT-AT, perhaps by running around and making it trip itself, or by running around it and tying it up like the Snowspeeders did, would've been cool.

Which brings up an interesting point--why were the only AT-ATs that were destroyed, destroyed by Snowspeeders. The X-Wings worked, and had more firepower. There were Y-Wings, too, even if we didn't see them, and they're heavy bombers (plus the Imps had no visible air support). And the ground-based cannons look like they had more powerful blasters than the Snowspeeders, which, somehow, were able to blow up AT-ATs once they're tripped (which has always bothered me--did they have shield generators that were based on gyroscopes and disabled when they fell, or something?).

Y'know, now that I'm thinking about it, as awesome as the movie is and as visually impressive and dramatic as that battle is, the Battle of Hoth was a logistical fustercluck for both sides.

Lord Malakite
03-25-2012, 10:21 AM
We never see these majestic snow-lizard steeds during the battle
You obviously never played the "Battle of Hoth" stage from Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike on the Gamecube. ;)

JediTricks
03-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Interesting question. I don't think the EU ever addressed this, either. An army of Tauntaun-riding Rebels taking down an AT-AT, perhaps by running around and making it trip itself, or by running around it and tying it up like the Snowspeeders did, would've been cool.At the very least, the Tauntaun-mounted Rebels could have fought the foot soldiers that were being delivered by the AT-ATs, but I like the idea of the Rebels riding their Tauntauns out to the AT-ATs and firing shoulder-mounted rockets and throwing explosives onto the AT-ATs, even if it were futile.


Which brings up an interesting point--why were the only AT-ATs that were destroyed, destroyed by Snowspeeders. The X-Wings worked, and had more firepower. There were Y-Wings, too, even if we didn't see them, and they're heavy bombers (plus the Imps had no visible air support). And the ground-based cannons look like they had more powerful blasters than the Snowspeeders, which, somehow, were able to blow up AT-ATs once they're tripped (which has always bothered me--did they have shield generators that were based on gyroscopes and disabled when they fell, or something?).In the film, they mention that they're having trouble adapting the speeders to the cold, the Snowspeeder is actually a T-47 Airspeeder they adapt to Hoth, and even as they're adapting them they have trouble using them, so I think that would suggest the Y-wings and X-wings aren't adapted to fight in the cold. Also, we've never seen an atmospheric battle with X-wings and Y-wings (except for the Y-wings on Clone Wars), it may not be possible for them to maneuver for battles while in atmo.

The AT-ATs have strong armor, I guess when they fall the plates either dislodge or the weak spots are exposed (if you've ever played Atari 2600 ESB... :p). However, the Star Trek nerd in me says that the AT-AT's armor plating appears to be bolstered by some sort of coherence assistance, when the Rebel ground weapons fire into their legs the blasts get absorbed as they spread, so they could be using an energy-dispersal or plate-strengthening magnetic system that can be knocked offline.



Y'know, now that I'm thinking about it, as awesome as the movie is and as visually impressive and dramatic as that battle is, the Battle of Hoth was a logistical fustercluck for both sides.In the Making of ESB book, during the planning stages it appears that the shield generator was much more important to the battle than the final movie conveys. The shields are bigger, the AT-ATs are chasing and firing on Rebel scouts on Tauntauns, they have tons of Snowtroopers pouring out of the AT-ATs on foot (including the downed walkers - the only reason the Veers walker is destroyed is because Rogue Jr crashes into the slit window at the front), and there's more of an effort to blow up that shield generator. I think some of that got lost in translation as realities of making an even bigger SW movie.




You obviously never played the "Battle of Hoth" stage from Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike on the Gamecube. ;)This is true, I played N64's Rogue Squadron and Shadows of the Empire, but never got a GC. Ironically, I don't think there's a single mission in Rogue Squadron 1 where you're ever NOT in atmo.

Lord Malakite
03-27-2012, 07:51 PM
At the very least, the Tauntaun-mounted Rebels could have fought the foot soldiers that were being delivered by the AT-ATs, but I like the idea of the Rebels riding their Tauntauns out to the AT-ATs and firing shoulder-mounted rockets and throwing explosives onto the AT-ATs, even if it were futile.
And that is exactly what you do in Rebel Strike. Strafe Snowtroopers with blaster fire and ride under AT-ATs to tow cable/plant thermal detonators with your trusty Taun Taun. :victorious:

JediTricks
03-27-2012, 10:45 PM
And that is exactly what you do in Rebel Strike. Strafe Snowtroopers with blaster fire and ride under AT-ATs to tow cable/plant thermal detonators with your trusty Taun Taun. :victorious:Sounds good, but not exactly X-wing-esque.

Bel-Cam Jos
03-28-2012, 10:37 PM
If you shave off its skin, every tauntaun wears a red Starfleet shirt.

Lord Malakite
03-29-2012, 05:34 PM
If you shave off its skin, every tauntaun wears a red Starfleet shirt.

Is it wrong that the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that was Han and Luke using lightsabers to skin Taun Tauns so that it just looks like they are wearing "red shirts" from far away so to speak. :p

JediTricks
03-29-2012, 10:35 PM
Awesome! Just awesome. :D

LTBasker
04-04-2012, 05:26 AM
3) Han's Tauntaun dies of freezing temperatures and exhaustion, I assume, as it just plops down dead despite being native to Hoth.

I was just thinking, maybe even if they are native to Hoth then perhaps they're not native to that region? Even though it's an ice planet I'm sure there are going to be areas where it's warmer, such as along the equator. I imagine the Rebels created their base in the region that they did due to the effect it has on technology, or at least repulsorlift technology, and so they brought along a herd of tauntauns to operate during day temperatures. We could possibly also say that their natural region doesn't have wampas, either, given that otherwise they would most likely have instincts to flee when smelling a wampa but Luke's tauntaun only seemed slightly annoyed.

And Rebel Strike was an awful game, especially when it came to on-foot missions. Don't go further than Rogue Leader in that series. :p

mtriv73
04-04-2012, 05:02 PM
If X-wings and Y-wings can work in the near absolute zero temperatures of outer space then I'm sure Hoth would seem comparatively balmy. I doubt adapting them to the cold had anything to do with not using them against the AT-AT's. Maybe they're just too fast to be of much use in atmospheric conditions, or possibly it's just another plot hole that didn't seem as relevant when I was 7 years old. As to why most of the taun-tauns ended up wampa food, the answer is simple...they're as tasty as Nerf with half the fat.

LTBasker
04-04-2012, 06:36 PM
Space isn't actually cold, though, it's just without heat - assuming you're not close to something that emits heat. The only reason why things get cold or freeze in space is because they originally held heat but, since heat is actually energy, that energy eventually depletes. A planet, however, that actually has cold such as Hoth would be a vastly more brutal environment because that has windchill. Then, for vehicles, not only do you have the natural windchill but you also have the speed of the vehicle going at speeds significant enough to add even more bite to that windchill. That's a very different environment for technology to survive than just a vacuum.

At least, that's my understanding. Someone with a better grasp on the gritty details of science feel free to brutally correct me!

Bel-Cam Jos
04-04-2012, 07:18 PM
The actual line is "We're having some trouble adapting them to the cold." Which, that could mean not only the low temperatures, but also wind and debris. I'm not sure how changes in pressure would affect them, either, where I assume (having been to space many, MANY times, of course :rolleyes: ) that would remain fairly constant in the vacuum of space.

So basically, the Rebellion didn't send their technicians to ITT Tech or Devry. Probably Doctor Evazan's Space Age Vehicle College, or something. :p

JediTricks
04-04-2012, 09:09 PM
I was just thinking, maybe even if they are native to Hoth then perhaps they're not native to that region? Even though it's an ice planet I'm sure there are going to be areas where it's warmer, such as along the equator. I imagine the Rebels created their base in the region that they did due to the effect it has on technology, or at least repulsorlift technology, and so they brought along a herd of tauntauns to operate during day temperatures. We could possibly also say that their natural region doesn't have wampas, either, given that otherwise they would most likely have instincts to flee when smelling a wampa but Luke's tauntaun only seemed slightly annoyed.

And Rebel Strike was an awful game, especially when it came to on-foot missions. Don't go further than Rogue Leader in that series. :pInteresting thought, not a bad reasoning. My idea would be that it's getting colder as the evening rolls in, and native tauntauns would find shelter, but since Han is riding one and forcing it to stay out, it is essentially "out past its bedtime". Having specific times of day when outside is too dangerous even for native life would make an excellent natural fortification against the Empire, now that I think about it.



Space isn't actually cold, though, it's just without heat - assuming you're not close to something that emits heat. The only reason why things get cold or freeze in space is because they originally held heat but, since heat is actually energy, that energy eventually depletes. A planet, however, that actually has cold such as Hoth would be a vastly more brutal environment because that has windchill. Then, for vehicles, not only do you have the natural windchill but you also have the speed of the vehicle going at speeds significant enough to add even more bite to that windchill. That's a very different environment for technology to survive than just a vacuum.

At least, that's my understanding. Someone with a better grasp on the gritty details of science feel free to brutally correct me!Yes, you have the correct understanding of the physics. The planet's harsh winds and low temperatures are definitely more of a "cold" environment than space.



The actual line is "We're having some trouble adapting them to the cold." Which, that could mean not only the low temperatures, but also wind and debris. You are a generous individual with that interpretation.


I'm not sure how changes in pressure would affect them, either, where I assume (having been to space many, MANY times, of course :rolleyes: ) that would remain fairly constant in the vacuum of space.

So basically, the Rebellion didn't send their technicians to ITT Tech or Devry. Probably Doctor Evazan's Space Age Vehicle College, or something. :pAtmo pressure is an entirely different set of things to think about, although the fact that there are non-space fliers suggests it's something that was thought about.